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you've written a fascinating piece. Where did you

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write this? Was it for real clear politics

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on on the truth? The changing Jew.

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Oh, it was directly for real clear.

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Okay. Well, it's a great website,

0:26

ma'am. I'm glad they published it. So

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I'm not gonna take the thunder. I'm gonna I'm

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gonna have you summarize. You have a fascinating

0:34

thesis that Jews

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are moving rightward, which

0:38

is sort of

0:41

counter instinctive

0:44

on the part of most people, but

0:46

you take a very compelling case,

0:48

so take it away.

0:51

So partly is obviously political.

0:53

Jews are moving to the right political.

0:55

Politically. And that's been happening

0:57

for a while. Jews voted Republican

1:00

maybe five percent of the time fifty

1:03

forty fifty years ago. And now they're

1:05

more in the 30s and 40s and

1:07

it climbs even higher than that. In

1:10

cases like Florida, for example, Donald

1:13

Trump got forty one percent of the Jewish vote

1:15

in twenty twenty. Ron DeSantis got

1:17

at least forty five percent I actually think that

1:19

number is probably higher, but they haven't you

1:21

know, it it relies on exit polls. So

1:23

if somebody's switching their political identity

1:26

after a lifetime of being a Democrat,

1:28

they might not be willing talk to a pollster

1:30

and say, yeah, just vote Republican for the

1:32

first time. So I

1:36

think that that number is probably higher than

1:38

even forty five percent Toronto, San Francisco.

1:40

So we'll see. But that

1:42

political change is obviously happening

1:44

according to the numbers. But what I see

1:46

even more than that and happening in

1:48

even greater numbers is a cultural

1:51

change where Jews are

1:53

no longer of the left that that is just

1:55

not part of their identity anymore and that

1:57

they are moving towards moderation

2:00

and definitely towards conservatism

2:03

as well. So

2:06

look, to say the least, I pray

2:09

you're right. And

2:11

and and and by the way, it's a

2:13

very interesting little

2:15

statistic that vote --

2:18

Yeah. -- although, you know, one

2:21

It depends if this is the classic is

2:24

the glass half empty or half full because

2:26

the thought that half the Jews of Florida

2:29

did not vote for DeSantis. It

2:32

makes me as a Jew, embarrassed. I

2:34

mean, it's it's embarrassed absolutely right.

2:37

Yeah. Yeah. Look, we're getting

2:39

there, you know. It doesn't change,

2:41

it doesn't happen overnight. But you're right. You're right.

2:43

Where how could fifty percent of Florida's

2:45

Jews not voted to understand. It's a

2:47

it's a great, you know, half glass

2:50

way of looking at it. But Well,

2:52

let me ask you this. It's developing.

2:54

Yeah. Yeah. So I I

2:57

there's no I know it's a guess,

2:59

but I so admire

3:02

I find your guess is interesting.

3:05

What percentage of Jews?

3:09

Would say would say

3:11

men give birth. Listen.

3:15

It's interesting. You're right it

3:17

would be a subset of that

3:19

fifty percent but

3:22

I feel like stuff like that is

3:25

exactly what's going to push people

3:27

away from the left. So I have,

3:29

you know, so many Jewish friends

3:31

who are Liberals who hate

3:33

this told. There's no such thing as women thing.

3:35

I mean, they were lifelong feminists. They

3:37

looked up to Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Suddenly,

3:40

they're Feminine identity

3:42

doesn't exist anymore. Their woman studies

3:44

major, doesn't mean anything anymore. And

3:47

it's it's a hard thing to wrap their minds around.

3:49

And look, again, I'm not saying that these people

3:51

are gonna jump over to the Republican side

3:53

tomorrow, but change takes time

3:56

and stuff like this moves people

3:58

over. And this insanity of this all

4:00

such thing as women is a classic

4:02

example of the kind of thing that will move Jewish

4:04

women over. And they won't be, like, oh, yeah, men

4:06

can give birth because they've given birth. And they

4:08

don't want anybody taken that away from them. They don't

4:10

want men being celebrated for something that they

4:12

did. You

4:16

point out in your article something

4:18

that a lot of Americans who think about

4:20

politics and and various

4:22

demographic groups, I don't think, appreciate.

4:25

And that is the Jews of Israel.

4:27

Why don't you tell my listeners

4:29

about that? So

4:31

Israel was once a fairly less leaning

4:33

country. And what happened

4:36

was that that they moved steadily to

4:38

the right, and a lot of it again was, of

4:40

course, first cultural and

4:42

then political. They got to

4:44

where they realized that the left in Israel

4:46

was not interested in preserving their lives,

4:48

not not wanting to protect them.

4:50

And so when they

4:53

realized that it became the central

4:55

point of why they started voting

4:57

for people on the right, But of course, now

4:59

that extends way beyond just

5:01

safety because there's other concerns in

5:03

Karol. And Israel has become our right

5:05

leading country. And so to me, that

5:07

equivalent is what

5:09

I've discovered in Florida among Jews

5:12

here is that so many of them

5:14

own guns. And, of course, I was raised in Brooklyn.

5:16

I mean, Jews just didn't do that. And

5:18

now it's like, oh, we do that. We protect

5:20

ourselves. We are not sitting ducks. We're not

5:22

gonna let anybody come for our families.

5:24

And that's a real change. That's a

5:26

real difference of

5:29

cultural opinion where a Jew

5:31

once might have not on the gun. And now it's

5:33

like, oh, yeah. I go to the range, you know,

5:35

three times a week with my locks and locks

5:37

club in Voca Raton, which is a real thing

5:39

that really exists. Locks

5:42

and clocks. That's

5:44

awesome. That

5:46

really exists. It

5:48

really does. It's a real group. I

5:50

probably Do you live in Florida, by the way? Do you

5:52

live in Florida? I live in South

5:54

Florida. Dave Rubin and I've fought all the

5:56

time on how to get you to move here. I

5:59

have to tell you and I'm not gonna say the name because

6:01

I tried to be private, but I I chose my

6:03

shoe because I saw a picture of you with

6:05

the rabbi. And I said if Dennis

6:07

has posed for a picture with his rally,

6:10

it it can't be crazy. I'm

6:13

very touched. I really am. Thank

6:15

you. It's very kind. You know why I am I I'm

6:17

here with Miami right now. You you

6:19

know you know why I am me now.

6:22

Why? It's you'll be touch you'll be

6:24

touched because I'm with

6:26

Jordan Peterson for the daily wire.

6:29

That is the second

6:31

ten sessions of teaching the

6:33

book of Exodus. Oh, I

6:35

love it. That's amazing. Yeah.

6:37

Yeah. It is. It's a very exciting

6:40

matter. It's garnering millions

6:42

of views. I mean, this is

6:44

my dream to bring the toe rid of the world and

6:46

and in its That's all. It's non Jews

6:48

non Jews are helping me deal with it.

6:51

And Christians are part of the panel, mostly

6:53

Christian. Yeah. It's what

6:57

is happening in Miami? I mean,

7:01

you really one has to be receptive

7:03

to brand new developments

7:06

in life. Florida, all of

7:08

my life, was considered a warm

7:10

suburb of of New

7:12

York City. And

7:14

and it was it was known for

7:17

non intellectual life.

7:19

And now Florida is the most in

7:21

some ways the most important cultural

7:23

state in the country? Yes.

7:26

Absolutely. Everything is happening in Florida.

7:28

I feel intellectually very stimulated

7:31

here. And I think that there's so much

7:33

happening going on all over the state,

7:35

but I'm in South Florida. I

7:37

love what's going on here. It's

7:39

been just terrific. And that, you know, the when

7:42

people are moving to Florida and the Floridians

7:44

were saying, you know, just don't just make sure you

7:46

vote right. It don't change our politics. Well, the

7:48

last election show that the people who have arrived

7:50

here in the last few years have come here for the

7:52

right reasons. They want to be a part of something

7:54

and it really does feel like we're

7:56

building something amazing here. So

8:00

I ask you how many American

8:02

Jews would have sent to the notion

8:05

that that

8:07

men give birth. And

8:09

then I'll I'll ask you another one. Yeah. How

8:11

many American Jews support

8:14

the the boycott divestment movement,

8:17

sanctions movement against Israel. I

8:19

think that they're probably the same people.

8:21

And I would say that number is gonna be

8:23

in the fifteen percent range.

8:26

I That's all. Higher

8:28

than that. Yeah. Yeah. So they're

8:30

just they're just very loud and the

8:32

New York Times last night? That's

8:34

exactly it. They're loud and they're in the

8:36

media. And, you know, I say this and I was

8:38

born in the Soviet Union. Soviet Jews,

8:40

the ones who came to America or one to Israel

8:42

or anywhere else, are so

8:45

conservative, so conservative. Yet

8:47

every single Soviet Jew that

8:49

makes it into the, you know, into

8:51

the New York Times or in media

8:54

always is on the left. Like, there's, like, of

8:56

them in our whole community and they're all in

8:58

media. And so, yes, that's

9:00

just the way it goes. The one towards the

9:02

loudest get into the press, get into the New York

9:04

Times, into the Washington Post to get featured the

9:06

most. And they're

9:08

just so not representative of what's going

9:10

on. I it is definitely,

9:13

that's the truth. Howard Bauchner:

9:16

So I'll ask sixty four

9:18

thousand dollars question that I have spent so

9:20

much of my life trying to figure out as

9:22

an American, as a Jew, as a

9:24

conservative -- Mhmm. -- about

9:26

Jews voting left

9:28

or being on the left, either being on

9:30

the left or voting left.

9:33

So there are so many reasons,

9:35

but I I wanna get yours I

9:37

wanna get your reaction to my

9:39

tiny list that I'll offer you. One one

9:41

is that Jews instinctively

9:44

assume right wing means Hitler.

9:47

And so anything

9:49

right is

9:51

dangerous and it's almost

9:53

inconceivable that anything left

9:55

would mean dangerous. Secondly,

9:58

the the the Jews who stay

10:00

committed to duty them overwhelmingly are

10:03

conservative. And Jews have

10:05

simply abandoned Judaism as

10:07

their religion and and accepted secular

10:09

religions, environmentalism, feminism,

10:11

humanism, Marxism. So

10:13

by the way, are they moving rightward?

10:16

At the speed of a

10:19

tortoise or the

10:22

speed of a rabbit. I

10:25

would say rabbit. I would say that the

10:27

last few years have moved

10:29

them from tortoise to rabbit. It

10:31

became necessary. So I

10:33

want to answer the question of why

10:35

I think Yes. Oh, by

10:38

the way, I'm gonna interrupt you,

10:40

which I hate doing. I wanna add one

10:42

more through my list. Jews are

10:44

disproportionately college

10:47

graduates. Okay.

10:49

So I would say that the

10:51

reason III agree with a lot of

10:53

those, especially, you know, I yeah.

10:55

I I think all of your reasons are very good.

10:58

But the main reason to

11:00

me why American Jews voted for

11:02

Democrats for as long as they have is

11:04

because they have lived lives

11:06

of deep security and

11:08

safety, and they have no idea what the

11:10

rest of the world is actually like.

11:12

So my thing is that if you

11:14

look at like voting

11:16

patterns in Brooklyn, for example.

11:18

All of the immigrant Jewish

11:20

communities are voting for Republicans. The

11:22

Russian Jews Townhall the Soviet Jews,

11:24

Ukraine and all those all those Soviet

11:26

Republic, the Syrian Jews, the

11:28

Israeli Jews. Any Jews

11:31

that came from anywhere in

11:33

South America America or anywhere in

11:35

the whole world are voting for

11:37

Republicans once they get to America. But

11:39

the American Jews who came here at

11:41

the turn of the last century whose

11:43

families have always lived in

11:45

security, who never faced real

11:47

danger, who missed the programs and,

11:49

you know, in Russia

11:51

and they missed World War two and they

11:53

missed, you know, being treated like

11:55

second class citizens no matter where you live and

11:57

they missed being threatened with their

11:59

lives all the time. They

12:01

grew up in a very different place than those

12:03

of us who lived in

12:06

the kind of danger that we came from.

12:08

And so their security

12:10

has allowed them to vote

12:12

for all kinds of other reasons

12:14

and not for safety. And

12:17

the immigrant who's family

12:19

has been here, even fifty years

12:21

that just does not have that luxury.

12:23

And so that's why. That

12:27

is so intelligent I

12:29

I what I gotta say, when I

12:31

hear a new idea that I

12:33

that I accept, it

12:36

is It is like what's

12:39

my favorite dessert? Oh, unfortunately,

12:41

they're all my favorite desserts.

12:44

It's like It's like Cheesecake

12:46

Factory cheesecake. III

12:48

it's delicious. I I don't know.

12:50

That is so right

12:52

on Oh, I never I never thought

12:54

of it. So it's it's it's

12:56

it's a joy to hear. That's

12:58

right. Thank you. They're

13:01

they're naive. You don't know. Yeah.

13:03

That's right. People who know suffering

13:05

are not naive. American Jews have

13:07

not known suffering. It's

13:09

been terrific for American Jews.

13:12

Exactly. They've been known to

13:14

be in history, you know. So In

13:16

history, that's right. My

13:18

dad my dad was a

13:20

an orthodox Jew and

13:22

-- Mhmm. -- to his great credit

13:24

he enlisted in the navy. He didn't have

13:26

to. He was over the age

13:28

of Draft and had a wife and child,

13:30

so he was exempt. But

13:32

he enlisted in World War two

13:35

and fought in the Pacific for two

13:37

and a half years as an officer on a

13:39

transport ship. And

13:41

my father's senior thesis at

13:43

the City College of New York was

13:45

on anti Semitism in America.

13:48

But he raised my brother and me

13:50

to believe that we were the luckiest Jews

13:52

who ever lived because we were American

13:54

Jews. Yep.

13:57

Same. I mean, I I grew up with that same

13:59

kind of message that might ask for So

14:01

how do you explain the children

14:03

of Soviet Jews the children of Soviet

14:05

Jews -- Mhmm. -- like like the

14:07

the brain at Google who

14:09

hate this country and hate liberty.

14:11

So Right. They're

14:14

so rare. I'm telling you, this is my

14:16

community. They are overwhelmingly

14:18

conservative. I I know

14:20

so few liberal even

14:22

children of Soviet immigrants.

14:24

And it just, you know, again, the people that make it

14:26

into the media. Okay? Your brain is

14:28

is in is in business. But he's

14:30

clarity. And with the Julia

14:32

Ioff and the McBoots and the, you

14:34

know, Vindman's and whatever that

14:36

that you hear about, there there's

14:38

so so unique in

14:41

this exovia world. My whole

14:43

community is extremely conservative,

14:46

extremely they were for

14:48

Trump in such a big way. They were even

14:50

for, you know, Georgia Bush in such a big

14:52

way that this community is not

14:54

liberal. And I can't even see

14:56

their kids or their grandkids being that liberal. I

14:58

mean, again, once they get further

15:00

away from from real danger and

15:02

they get too comfortable, who knows?

15:04

But I grew up with the idea of

15:06

being so blessed to be here, celebrating

15:08

the day we came to America every year,

15:10

feeling like my life could have been so

15:12

different and how lucky I am

15:14

to be a year. And you want to

15:16

pass that on to your kids and grandkids, and

15:18

that's so important. Like, you have to let

15:20

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15:22

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15:24

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