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We are joined by none other than Lord

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Conrad Black. Lord Black, welcome

1:19

back to America First. Thank you, Sebastian.

1:22

Let me play for you

1:24

a cut I heard from CNN earlier

1:26

today on my friend's radio show from

1:30

Dana Bash, ensconced

1:32

in the corporate media

1:35

headquarters, talking to one of President

1:37

Trump's lawyers, John Lauro. You've

1:40

written a lengthy piece for the New York

1:42

Sun on the newest indictment

1:45

from Jack Smith. Here is President Trump's

1:47

attorney, or one of them, explaining

1:49

the

1:50

problem with the accusations.

1:52

Cut 13. Like

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what? Like what? Tell

1:57

me, what action? interfere

2:00

with ascertaining Arizona's electors.

2:03

The Justice Department could ask

2:05

him a speech. But

2:07

but any alleging is

2:10

speech. But any alleged any

2:12

alleged almost all alleged criminal

2:14

activity has to do with using

2:16

words and his speech. And that's that's

2:19

what you don't you know what is obviously

2:21

the defense that you're going to use and it will be fascinating

2:23

to see how it works out in a court of law. I

2:25

want to move on to another to another

2:28

issue. No no I got to

2:29

tell you though but but you make an interesting

2:31

point because you're saying that asking

2:34

is action. No asking is aspirational

2:37

asking is not action. It's core free speech.

2:40

The press should be defending free speech

2:42

in this case. Let's talk about something else that

2:44

you have repeatedly said.

2:46

Daina Lash did not

2:48

want to continue discuss Dana Bash

2:50

did not want to continue discussing that point. But how

2:53

perverse is it Lord Black

2:55

as the former head of one of the world's biggest

2:58

media conglomerates. To have

3:00

a host on a national cable

3:02

channel try and argue

3:05

that free speech should be criminalized.

3:09

Well it is it is perverse

3:11

and and it is dangerous. But

3:13

that is the corner that these Trump

3:16

haters have backed themselves into. And

3:18

in fairness to them they've been

3:22

conducted to that position by

3:24

the United States government. And by its

3:27

abuse of the of

3:29

its lawful raison d'etre

3:32

of administering

3:34

and executing the laws fairly.

3:37

Because because the department

3:40

has transmogrified into

3:43

an arm of the dirty tricks division of

3:45

the Democratic National Committee. And

3:48

and they're trying to play upon

3:51

this widespread dislike

3:53

of Trump as a man who's seen by

3:56

many to be boorish and a bully

3:58

and a bad. man who

4:00

took every corner on two

4:03

wheels when he was in the private

4:05

sector, and portray him

4:09

as a monster and virtually a gangster,

4:11

a thug, a person who it is no

4:14

one, it is notorious public

4:16

knowledge that he is a thug

4:19

and a gangster and therefore anything that he does

4:21

is apt to be a crime. So we'll

4:24

just overlook the fact, the inconvenient

4:26

fact that you just mentioned that what

4:28

he is being charged with is indeed a

4:30

legitimate exercise of the constitutionally

4:33

guaranteed right of all Americans to free

4:35

expression. And in addition

4:38

to that, he did have a legitimate

4:40

grievance about the changes

4:42

to the voting and vote counting procedures

4:44

prior to the last presidential election.

4:48

And his counsel who was on

4:50

the air trying to make himself heard, I

4:52

saw when he was being respectfully treated

4:55

by another interviewer on another network, said

4:57

that they were going to re-lithigate the

4:59

entire list

5:02

of their legitimate grievances on

5:04

the 2020 election. People would be summoned

5:06

under criminal subpoena and have to explain

5:09

the consequences of a 40 million

5:12

harvested unverifiable ballots

5:15

in an election where 50,000 votes would flip, Trump

5:18

would have won. And that is his complaint

5:20

and it's been stifled by the courts and

5:22

by the media. And now,

5:25

if they ever get to trial with this

5:27

clunker of a case they have, that

5:29

is going

5:29

to come out and it's not going to be easy

5:32

to ignore it. Well, look, this is a

5:34

crucial point. So let's dissect this a little

5:36

bit further. We're talking to Lord Conrad

5:39

Black. The website is Conrad M. Black.

5:41

He is the co-host of the podcast Scholars

5:43

and Science with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.

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subscribe and listen to it and you can follow him at

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Conrad Black on Twitter. This is

5:53

the court, the case will not be televised.

5:56

We know that it won't be televised, but

5:59

nevertheless.

5:59

it is a platform

6:04

upon which the grievances

6:06

of 2020 may be aired. We

6:10

know this is a judge who looks

6:13

on President Trump inimically, but

6:16

she won't be able to block everything. And it

6:19

goes to my hypothesis that I'd like to test

6:21

with you, that the left has become

6:23

radicalized. The Democrat Party

6:25

of today could not envisage

6:28

having a JFK or a Scoop Jackson

6:31

amongst its ranks today. It truly has become

6:33

an extremist party.

6:34

But my question

6:36

is, are they less

6:39

than intelligent? Because

6:42

it seems to me like a hugely

6:45

potential-owned goal that,

6:48

driven by your hatred of the 45th

6:50

president, you're giving

6:52

him not just a national

6:54

but a global platform to

6:57

actually litigate that which

6:59

he didn't have a chance to litigate after 2020.

7:02

It doesn't seem very strategic, Lord Black.

7:05

I agree. I think it is tactically mistaken. And

7:07

what I don't understand, I honestly

7:10

have no idea how this comes to pass, but

7:13

they claim to want Trump as an opponent,

7:16

and yet they are trying to destroy him. And

7:19

now I know there is this theory that they're so

7:21

diabolically clever that

7:23

they think that in attacking him as they are,

7:26

it will cause the Republican Party to rally

7:28

behind him, and therefore they will have

7:30

the opponent they want. But the trouble

7:33

with that one is I don't think they are that smart, by the way. If

7:35

they were, we wouldn't have Biden as president.

7:38

They would have found someone better than that. And

7:40

Harris as vice president. But

7:43

the problem with it is, in

7:46

persecuting this man, they are going

7:48

to make him more popular, not just to

7:50

the Republicans who like him anyway,

7:53

most of them, but to

7:55

the voters as a whole. And because Trump is clearly

7:57

beating the Senate, being

8:00

persecuted. And as

8:02

time goes by, this will become more and more

8:04

obvious as the cases are

8:07

examined in a little more objectivity.

8:12

And that's going to accrue to his benefit electorally.

8:15

And I think

8:17

they have a real problem here, because at the

8:19

same time the difficulties of

8:23

the Biden family are becoming

8:26

harder and harder to keep under the rug. And

8:28

the old line

8:32

about people living in glass houses. Now,

8:34

my own view, and we've discussed this in previous programs,

8:37

is that they're going to push

8:39

Biden out. They can't do it now. They can't

8:41

push him out of office, because they don't want Harris

8:43

as the president. But they're going to

8:46

push him out. They can't run this guy again. And

8:49

so they are hoping. So will they primary

8:51

him before the election? I

8:54

think, to take a phrase from

8:56

the Watergate era, a long

8:58

row of limousines, except that

9:00

they're not used anymore because they're gas guzzlers,

9:02

but a long row of cars will

9:05

arrive at the White House carrying the powers

9:07

that be in the Democratic Party. And they'll say, look,

9:10

you phrase it any way you want,

9:13

but you can't run again. You can

9:16

blame it on the doctors for more time

9:18

with your family, whatever you want. But it won't

9:20

apply. And Joe will take

9:22

the hint. And I don't mean

9:24

to be disrespectful. The president will take the hint. And

9:28

then they'll try and bring in a new candidate.

9:30

Newsom is the favorite, although he's no

9:32

prize candidate after what he's done in

9:34

California. And they'll just pretend

9:37

that this gong show with Biden and Harris

9:39

didn't happen. But it's a hard

9:41

road they've chosen for themselves. And all

9:43

the time, Trump

9:46

is going to campaign against the spurious

9:49

and obvious shortcomings

9:51

of this political

9:54

indito-rema they've thrown at him. And

9:57

by the way, I... the

10:00

book of criminal code of criminal procedure

10:02

in the United States is anything like

10:04

what it is in countries

10:07

where I know about it in theory I am actually

10:10

a lawyer I haven't practiced for a long time but in

10:12

the civil law jurisdiction of French Canada

10:14

but the the codes always

10:17

provide a great deal with delivery

10:19

exceptions and and the whole

10:21

process of making motions and appealing

10:24

the decision on motions in my opinion is

10:26

going to push all of these things past the election

10:28

which I think they're trying any of this stuff right at

10:30

the election well and and which makes it all the

10:32

more peculiar that they waited two and a

10:34

half years to bring the charges

10:36

and then Jack Smith gives

10:38

a press conference for about two minutes

10:41

after which he takes no questions and he says we

10:43

are in a great rush we have to

10:46

try this case rapidly in

10:48

that case why did you wait for two and a half years

10:50

you know a president Trump you've negotiated

10:53

with President Trump I for one am

10:56

annoyed I'm angry that Chris Christie

10:58

even brings up Abaddon Castello

11:00

because I love Abaddon Castello

11:03

but why is the establishment Republican

11:05

Party the likes of this

11:08

individual find it

11:10

okay to attack the 45th president

11:13

and then to call him stupid

11:15

I'm sure you know that he's not stupid having

11:17

you know negotiated with him and the perhaps most

11:19

telling of all

11:20

his assault and his ridicule of

11:23

the man who was his butler in the White House

11:26

who works for him now at Mar-a-Lago and who's now

11:28

facing more than 300 years in prison I

11:31

well I

11:33

think it's a disgraceful performance by Christie

11:35

and I think his entire so-called campaign

11:38

is a disgrace it's just sour grapes he

11:41

was the most egregious bootlicker

11:44

in the Trump entourage of anybody

11:48

in 2016 and then when

11:50

he for reasons that are speculated

11:52

about wasn't rewarded with any

11:55

performance from the president

11:57

when he became president he

12:00

uh... apostatized and is now

12:02

the wildest and and

12:05

most tasteless of the trump

12:07

accusers and i find former congressman

12:11

and former governor hutchison obnoxious

12:14

i i you know their little people of

12:16

of trivial accomplishments compared

12:18

to what trump is a is

12:21

semi self-made billionaire and

12:23

an undoubted television star and a person

12:25

who put together a mil in miraculous

12:28

formula for being elected president

12:30

and was a good president uh... it

12:33

compared to him who are they but

12:35

christy was it you know i had what a nine

12:37

percent approval rating when he left his governor

12:40

though i think it was a good governor for most of his two

12:42

terms uh... he needs kuhi

12:45

squeezed out of that bridge gate

12:47

business and to be a circumstances and

12:50

it does not lie in his mouth to make allegations

12:52

of dishonesty or stupidity against anyone

12:55

particular since he is so ludicrous

12:57

he's uh... he i don't

12:59

want to harp on anyone's physical characteristics

13:02

but he is and absurd overweight

13:05

man mouthing in plausible

13:08

and extreme allegations against

13:10

someone in in a way that that

13:13

is is is clangorously inappropriate

13:15

of his a problem with trump on

13:17

the issues he should say it if he really

13:20

thinks that trump is an inferior character

13:23

he should say it but say it in in civilized

13:25

terminology not with with an attempt

13:28

to uh...

13:28

to scrape the barrel

13:31

of of uh... uh...

13:33

israel school yard or back alley

13:35

uh... uh... expo that submitted

13:39

disgraceful performance you mentioned

13:41

that the liability that that biden has

13:43

become uh... that that that the

13:46

press the digitization the permutations

13:48

that the top security that the democrats having

13:50

to go through to defend

13:53

him based upon what we've heard coming

13:55

out in the various uh... hunter uh...

13:58

revelations

13:58

uh... tip if by this interview

14:01

between Cuomo,

14:03

Chris Cuomo, and Jamie Raskin, the

14:05

congressman of Maryland, where he

14:07

actually admits something, I think, without realizing

14:10

it, cut nine, play cut.

14:13

I think they've been very honest and open about it, but

14:15

there's nothing else there. I mean, the

14:17

Republicans haven't found anything else there. If there

14:19

were, I'd be very happy to ask questions

14:21

about it. But the only- Well, the payments to the family

14:23

members.

14:25

I'm sure, well, what does that mean? The payments

14:27

to the family members.

14:28

As far as I know, Hunter Biden made a bunch

14:30

of business deals, which is lawful, which

14:33

a lot of family members have done, Republican,

14:35

Democrat, other political

14:38

families, they've done the same thing. And he added

14:40

the money diverted into- The

14:44

fact that they're saying, yes, the

14:46

money was diverted to various

14:48

family members from these foreign corporations,

14:51

can they just get away with saying that and saying

14:53

that that's not a crime and it has nothing

14:56

to do with who their father was, Lord Black?

14:58

Look, I have been one

15:00

of those who's always said that if

15:03

the Bidens are smart enough to get

15:06

some saps to give them money

15:08

just for access to Joe Biden, as

15:11

long as US government policy is

15:13

not altered in respect of the receipt

15:16

of those payments, it's,

15:20

as far as I can see, it's legal. But

15:22

the president lied about it, and

15:24

he's got a lot hanging out in terms of his credibility,

15:27

and it's distasteful, and it's shabby,

15:30

but I don't see the illegality. What I pointed

15:33

out in the piece you kindly mentioned in

15:35

the New York Sun that was posted yesterday that I

15:37

wrote, Victor Sorkin,

15:39

the prosecutor that Joe Biden boasted

15:41

of having fired, has stated,

15:44

and then said right there on the internet, anyone in

15:46

the world can see it, that he was fired

15:49

because of Biden's intervention, and he was fired

15:51

because he was investigating Burisma,

15:53

not the Bidens, but he was going to get

15:56

to the Bidens, and they wanted the

15:58

whole thing shut down before it did get to the Biden. to

16:00

them, and that's why he was fired. And he

16:02

is saying that the

16:04

threat of withholding U.S. government aid

16:07

was made unilaterally by the vice president

16:09

to spare his son and himself

16:12

and his family the embarrassment of their

16:14

corruption in Ukraine being exposed. Now if that's

16:17

true,

16:18

those are not only grounds

16:20

for impeachment, but for removal from office.

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