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another piece I'll trust you enjoy. I

0:47

wanna ask you a personal question first

0:49

because I am asked this all the time.

0:53

Among other things, I do a happiness hour

0:55

every week. and I do have a happy

0:57

disposition. So I am asked

0:59

all the time how does

1:01

this affect me personally? this

1:05

meaning the situation in America,

1:07

the suppression of free speech, as

1:09

an example, the corruption of the media,

1:12

which we're gonna get to in the moment. I

1:15

am curious, how do you personally deal

1:17

with it? Well,

1:19

I kind of ignore it. and then

1:21

I bump into it, you know.

1:23

So if I'm I'm at Stanford University,

1:25

which is I mentioned that only because so

1:28

far left, And I've been brought up

1:30

by the faculty senate for columns,

1:32

I write, or I get professors that

1:34

call the hoover and and complain or

1:37

accept So used to that. And

1:40

I I think all of us just sort of go

1:42

ahead and feel that this is sort of the

1:44

dark ages as far as expression

1:48

that the left that used to brag about,

1:50

if anything goes in free speech areas

1:53

is now It's so well and

1:55

it's totalitarian. It doesn't bleed in free speech.

1:57

That's big change. I think the biggest

1:59

thing

1:59

that's that I look at

2:02

is as a kid

2:04

that went to school here in California college,

2:07

the 60s people, seventy people as I

2:09

look out. They were on the street, and as they

2:11

were marching against the Pentagon, they were

2:13

barging in on into

2:16

the president's off office. They were

2:18

throwing eggs at the corporate logo.

2:21

They were picketing the draft

2:23

centers. But now they're inside. they

2:26

run it. They are the Dennis. They are the

2:28

secretary of defense. They're they're head of the

2:31

joint chiefs. They're Disney CEOs.

2:33

They're And that's the biggest

2:35

shock, I think, is how easily

2:38

they adapted themselves. The

2:41

the techniques that they use on the street

2:43

in the sixties they've adapted to use

2:45

when they have power and money and influences

2:48

the the establishment.

2:50

You mentioned you're being at

2:52

Stanford. And you're

2:55

you're the Hoover Institution at Stanford.

2:57

Is that correct? Yes. Right.

3:00

So do you get to teach at

3:02

Stanford to Stanford Dennis, or

3:05

or at what I think of as

3:07

a think tank?

3:08

Well, we're a little

3:10

different because senior fellow

3:14

is a tenured, is tenured,

3:16

and that tenured is not given by Uber

3:18

is given by Stanford. So you have to

3:20

go through the ten year process, through the department

3:23

in which you would be a member, Hugh

3:25

you if you were at the

3:27

university itself. So

3:29

I was tenured by the classics department,

3:31

but I have no desire

3:33

to teach there. and I don't think they have any

3:36

desire to welcome me. So what I

3:38

got around that is that I

3:40

have in my contract when I came

3:42

to Hoover twenty one years ago

3:44

that I can take a month

3:46

in September and go to Hillsdale College

3:48

and teach an intensive course there. And

3:50

I've done that for twenty one years. talking

3:53

about the classics. Maybe

3:57

No. Forgive me. I just wanna ask you about I

3:59

want to I want to get your reaction to

4:01

something I say talking about the classics,

4:04

comma,

4:05

I just read to my listeners,

4:08

maybe my producer will remember where

4:11

where is it that you can now get

4:13

a degree in classics, but never

4:15

Princeton. Oh, Princeton. Okay. Yeah.

4:17

The Joshua Cats article. That's right.

4:20

Yes. Yes. Yes. So

4:22

I'd I'd like you to discuss the state

4:24

of classics and education in

4:27

the universities of America.

4:30

Well,

4:31

I would say that

4:34

starting thirty years ago and around one

4:36

of the culture wars, it was Michelle

4:38

Fekola and Lacan and DairyDA that

4:40

had displaced pathology and

4:43

rigorous training. So

4:45

if you were a student when I

4:47

went to Stanford's PHD program, you

4:49

had to know Latin and Greek, and you were

4:51

tested in a three hour exam

4:53

in the PHD level, you had to be able

4:55

to write in Latin and Greek, and that would be

4:57

tested. You had a three hour exam in

4:59

Greek history. Commentary

5:03

a great clip, and then

5:05

you had to defend your thesis, and then you had

5:07

to be responsible for three other topics.

5:09

and then you had to have a reading knowledge of German

5:11

and French as well as Latin America.

5:13

That I don't think exists anymore.

5:16

I don't think they require a composition

5:18

requirement. It's water down in theory.

5:20

And then you had to take twelve seminars,

5:23

very rigorous seminars in phrology,

5:25

manuscripts, archaeology, numermatics,

5:28

geography. So what

5:30

I'm getting at is that all

5:32

of that has been considered

5:35

exclusionary and

5:37

like everything else. What does that

5:39

mean? exclusionary. That

5:42

means that quote unquote

5:44

marginalized people feel that

5:46

those are arbitrary standards that we

5:48

reinforce privilege. And

5:50

therefore, who is to say that you need

5:52

to know Greek to be an undergraduate

5:55

classics major at Princeton. Or

5:57

when you're writing a thesis, maybe you

5:59

want to write it on the

6:01

marginalization of slaves

6:04

or the denigration of women, but it's

6:06

going to be a contemporary woke

6:09

issue that will be channeled

6:11

to the ancient world. And

6:13

so that's the difference. And

6:15

I before I retired, I was a

6:17

Greek professor for twenty one years at the

6:19

cal state system. And even

6:21

when I retired in two thousand four or

6:23

five, it was generally known that if

6:25

you ask a professor to

6:27

come for a job interview, you

6:31

you you just didn't think that they could

6:33

read Latin at site

6:35

like they used to. I I couldn't give them

6:37

a page of Caesar or Cicero or

6:39

a page of euripides of lysias and say,

6:41

could you please read that to see if you're qualified?

6:43

Or if you ask them basic knowledge And

6:45

that's twenty years ago. twenty

6:48

years ago, and today it's worse.

6:50

So what Jonathan Katz was fighting

6:52

at Princeton was the

6:54

complete suction of standards. If you

6:56

took a Hanson PhD today

6:58

Hugh you took him and he was in a

7:00

job interview and you asked him the following questions.

7:03

How far is part of the Athens. Why did

7:05

the myssenaean world fall apart?

7:08

Who built the part that they would know any of

7:10

that? None. they would

7:12

try to steer the conversation to,

7:15

I am interested in

7:18

the marginalization of the HELOCs,

7:21

or I wanna know what race

7:24

and and gender, and I'm

7:26

working with trans on transgenderism and

7:28

a cult, that kind of stuff.

7:30

And so they don't know brick and weaken

7:33

wacken wacken wacken and they're proud of not knowing

7:35

it because they feel that it's

7:37

that it represents a a white

7:40

privilege tradition in western

7:42

sith. Do they consider the Greeks

7:44

and Latin's white? Well,

7:47

that was a big fight, you know, in

7:49

this eighties where this afro

7:51

centricism, Lionel

7:53

Jeff fries and Martin Bernal

7:57

and tried to claim that Egypt,

7:59

the the

8:00

Egyptians were African, and

8:03

many of the Greeks were like Socrates,

8:05

and there was no evidence for that. I mean, the

8:07

ptoleagues in Egypt macedonian

8:10

dasch Greek, but

8:12

that kind of faded out. But that was the

8:14

first round. That was the World War one

8:16

fight. And then we had a

8:19

piece between the world wars,

8:21

and now we're into a much more serious world

8:23

war two, I think, across the humanities.

8:26

Well, I remember and III

8:30

was broadcasting at the time,

8:32

and I said, this is a

8:34

sea change. when

8:36

Jesse Jackson led a march at

8:38

Stanford, hey, hey, Ho

8:40

Ho, Western Sieve

8:42

has got to go. That

8:45

that was it for me. That that was

8:47

that was the obituary for western

8:49

sieve.

8:50

Yeah. And that was when they went

8:52

after Bill Bennett. They went after Alan

8:54

Blum. They we

8:57

went after Saul Bello. But

8:59

I think Remember that? Yeah.

9:01

Saul Bello was the last thing, man.

9:03

So the last thing you

9:06

mentioned when we had to go to break,

9:08

Victor, was you were

9:10

mentioning soul bellow when Alan Blum

9:12

and so on. So do you

9:14

want to continue from there

9:16

or should I pose another question? ten

9:19

seconds. That was the first round

9:22

where they went after

9:24

traditional education, but it was

9:26

it was played between the

9:28

sidelines. They all agreed that there was such a

9:30

thing called the humanities. They just

9:32

wanted to change it. This

9:34

new group this

9:35

next generation, the second war,

9:37

they don't believe in the genre of

9:39

classics or humanity. They want to destroy

9:41

them and think a professor

9:43

Hanson Peralta. His principles says, I

9:46

want to destroy class six.

9:48

And he's a class six professor. So this is a

9:50

needleist. This is sort of the jackup and round

9:52

of the Prince Revolution. That's

9:54

right. Well, my my area

9:57

is music, not not the literature.

9:59

And what is happening

10:02

to orchestras around the country

10:04

is analogous not to mention music

10:06

which started. with a tonality in

10:08

the beginning of the twentieth century. What

10:11

here's that sixty four

10:13

thousand dollar question. Well,

10:15

for you, I would put it differently. Why was the

10:18

unit of of

10:20

money in ancient Greece?

10:22

In ancient Greece? the

10:25

drop mark. Oh, still. Really? They still use

10:27

Yes. Okay. Yes. So here's the sixty

10:29

four thousand drop mark question

10:31

for you. Yeah.

10:35

And

10:37

I have been preoccupied with

10:40

this ever since I was

10:42

at an Ivy League school for my

10:44

graduate work. What

10:46

animates the desire to

10:49

destroy? because that's

10:51

all it is. They they build nothing.

10:54

So

10:54

do you have a theory as

10:56

to this this the

10:59

origins of nihilism? Well,

11:03

it it's usually a

11:05

a very educated elite

11:09

Pampered

11:09

class that feels that

11:12

their rhetorical skills or

11:14

their blibness or their

11:16

savvy, savviness,

11:19

whatever however they're cunning that's not

11:21

properly rewarded by society. Hanson

11:25

they despise the seven eleven owner,

11:27

or they despise the car anybody

11:29

who has more things and is more

11:31

success materially. And so then

11:33

they condemn the entire system

11:35

that hasn't appreciated their genius.

11:37

And and they'd adopt

11:39

this this

11:41

creed, which is wokeness, is just

11:43

simply another phase of radical

11:46

government or state mandated a

11:48

quality of result. or any

11:50

on any inequity, any

11:52

on equalness, if I could use that

11:54

word, has to be attributed to

11:57

an

11:57

suppressor or a victimizer

11:59

or

11:59

somebody has to be culpable if

12:02

you're too short or you're too long, you got bad

12:04

health, good health, good inheritance, bad

12:06

inheritance, natural skill

12:08

none that that make us not

12:10

equal. They have the

12:12

power they feel

12:13

this elite to

12:15

determine, to

12:17

put some people back to put some people

12:20

forward and even it out on the back end.

12:22

And And the weird thing about it is

12:24

that that process is never

12:26

it never

12:26

extends to themselves. They're

12:29

exempt. from the ramifications of

12:31

their own

12:32

psychology. Whether you're, you know,

12:34

Commentary on a private jet

12:37

lecturing about carbon emissions worldwide

12:39

or the Davis set

12:41

or your top -- North Davis Newsom.

12:43

-- eating in a restaurant without a mask.

12:45

I thought that was Perfect.

12:48

Absolutely. Absolutely. Or,

12:50

you know, you you feel

12:52

that Nancy

12:54

Pelosi has to go to our hairdresser. That's

12:56

right. Yep. Elizabeth Warren,

12:59

the Marxist, semi Marxist, Elizabeth

13:01

Warren writes a book on flipping houses

13:03

and how to profit. So

13:05

that's So I don't think I'm

13:07

not saying they're not serious and they're

13:09

not ideologues, but I think the

13:11

motivation that makes them

13:13

want to adopt this nihilist

13:16

radical equality that they'd rather have everybody

13:18

equal and poorer than everybody

13:20

better off at some more equal than

13:22

others, is some kind of personal

13:25

anger or that they feel

13:27

that it has something to do with our

13:29

modern education or they're they they do

13:31

get these degrees and

13:33

they are a member of the upper classes. And

13:36

they feel that they

13:37

did not get their proper dessert.

13:39

Yeah. I I can't can

13:41

agree with you more, and I I always

13:44

forget to note this. I'm glad

13:46

you did.

13:49

They don't

13:50

think they get the proper

13:53

respect. I know

13:55

all this and a third

13:57

basement makes fifty times more

13:59

than I do. Is that a

14:01

fair summary? Yeah.

14:02

Exactly. Exactly. Or even

14:05

doesn't even have to be that much. They

14:07

feel that I've had people say

14:09

to them, I, you know, what does the

14:11

seven eleven person know? And I would say

14:13

they know, on the tip of their fingers,

14:15

security, inventory, profit

14:18

margin, quality of product.

14:20

That's a very tough job that no

14:22

academic could do. They've

14:24

they hate the guy with the Winnebago or

14:26

the boat or the jet skis.

14:30

And it it's very strange

14:32

that this left wing

14:34

romance with egalitarianism

14:36

for everybody, but this

14:38

really weird desire

14:40

obsession with nice things and

14:42

status and titles. And

14:44

I know it's Stanford. I see all

14:46

these BMWs that come in in

14:48

two thousand twenty, twenty twenty one with

14:51

BLM stickers on them, you know. So

14:53

I would like to bounce a theory of

14:55

mine off you I I shouldn't

14:58

feel it necessary to say, but I tell every

15:00

guest this. Feel totally free to say

15:02

I completely I

15:04

completely disagree. That's fine

15:06

with me. but I would

15:08

like to bounce it off you because

15:10

I have I've studied the

15:12

left. You've studied classics your whole life. I've

15:14

studied the left my whole life. I don't

15:16

know if you I was the Russian Institute at

15:18

Columbia University

15:20

where I did my graduate work in what was

15:23

called communist affairs. I studied under this

15:25

big near Brysinski. There were seven of us at

15:27

Columbia with a very rare major.

15:29

I'm

15:29

glad I did, unfortunately, because

15:31

it's turned out to be very relevant.

15:34

my study of communism in the

15:36

left. So it's been a

15:38

very tough question for me. What

15:40

animates people? for example,

15:42

to say men give birth,

15:44

that you now have to say that at

15:47

Stanford where you are. So

15:49

I

15:49

have a theory and

15:51

again

15:52

just just react as as you will.

15:56

I believe that ultimately we have

15:58

a religious crisis. an

16:01

atheist can can agree with this.

16:03

Douglas Murray is is not a believer

16:06

I don't know if he's an atheist or agnostic. But

16:09

he he he signs on

16:11

to the the religious nature

16:13

of the issue. and in

16:15

a nutshell, in my understanding and

16:17

my listeners are familiar with

16:19

this. So in

16:21

the Genesis account of creation,

16:24

What God does for six days is not

16:26

create. It creates very

16:28

rarely. The term is only used three

16:30

times in in all of those days.

16:32

What God does is

16:35

make order out of chaos. That's why I

16:37

consider the second verse, the

16:39

second most important verse after

16:41

the first. and everything was chaos. So hoover,

16:43

hoover really means chaos.

16:45

I

16:47

believe the left in

16:49

the post Judeo Christian post

16:52

bible post Genesis age in which

16:54

we live. In

16:56

the final analysis, urines

16:59

for chaos. Men

17:02

give birth is the

17:05

quintessence of chaos. How

17:07

do you react to that thesis?

17:10

Well, they should I I think that

17:13

I I agree with in this sense

17:15

that their agenda does

17:17

not appeal

17:17

to human nature. So most people

17:20

do not wanna buy in socialism

17:22

or communism. So they

17:24

look for chaotic moments

17:27

to push through things that

17:29

are otherwise unpowerable.

17:32

So whether it's a two thousand and eight

17:34

meltdown or whether it's

17:36

COVID or whether it's January

17:38

Hugh, it's that mama

17:40

Manuel's never let a crisis go away. So

17:42

they they feel that chaos

17:44

for a moment, a brief moment

17:46

destroys rationality and it does

17:49

choice, the

17:50

curiosity, and shame,

17:52

and normality, and protocols,

17:54

and rules. And within that window, they

17:56

can squeeze through and

17:59

establish a whole set of other

18:01

of new realities. Once they do

18:03

that, they don't want chaos.

18:06

once they have a Soviet system or socialist

18:09

system or they take over an apartment or

18:11

they take over a foundation. But

18:14

to get in, yeah, they

18:16

want chaos and they want people

18:18

to have no reference and be

18:20

confused. Mhmm. And they can step in

18:22

and otherwise you

18:24

know, introduce ideas that otherwise

18:26

are repellent. Most people don't want

18:28

their ideas, but they're afraid

18:30

and they don't wanna ten percent want

18:32

their ideas and the other ninety percent

18:34

feel that

18:35

they'll suffer if they object

18:38

because they feel they're in control. They

18:40

they squeezed through the window and took over the apparatus,

18:42

like, some virus. And they

18:44

So what is the end? The

18:46

end is that you have

18:48

to have a

18:50

number of people voices who say,

18:52

I don't care what they do to me. And there's a Oh,

18:54

no. No. I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. What

18:57

is the left end?

19:00

What what do they if they're not aiming for chaos, they

19:02

use chaos, which I can I can I

19:04

can I can accept

19:06

that. What is is

19:08

it power is is it --

19:10

Yes. -- power

19:11

and privilege. And

19:13

because they are not religious

19:15

and they don't believe in

19:17

transcendence, they wanna feel that in

19:19

this brief time on Earth,

19:21

their power, their genius

19:24

reordered society as if there's some kind of

19:26

God. They have They have made

19:28

people equal. They have

19:30

solved the problems of climate

19:32

change. They have they're

19:34

not interested in individual people,

19:38

solving cancer or helping

19:40

poverty. They want these cosmic reordering

19:43

of society. and that's their legacy

19:45

that makes them famous and immortal.

19:47

And they have to have certain means to be

19:49

able to get those in. That is really

19:52

very insight will return in the moment.

19:54

That's a big deal. You never want

19:56

a serious crisis to go to waste. And

19:58

what I mean by that, it's an opportunity to do

19:59

things that you think you could not

20:02

do before. I

20:03

I would like to bounce off another

20:05

of my thoughts

20:07

with you or off you.

20:09

I am asked regularly, am I optimistic

20:11

or pessimistic? And I'd like to

20:13

give you my answer Hugh then get yours or

20:15

at least your reaction to my

20:18

answer. I tell

20:19

people I don't have any use for optimism

20:22

or pessimism because

20:25

my only question is, will

20:27

you fight? If optimism

20:29

leads you to fight, great, if

20:31

pessimism does, great. But generally,

20:33

I would think neither leads

20:35

you to fight, Pessimists

20:38

think it'll all turn out lousy white

20:40

fight. Optimists think it'll all turn out

20:42

great white fight. what's your

20:44

reaction? I tend to

20:47

agree. I I think the world's

20:49

divided up between the

20:51

ten percent that will speak

20:53

out no matter with the consequences, the

20:55

ninety percent that won't but

20:57

want somebody to do that.

21:00

And the woke people control all

21:02

of the institutions as we know, as we

21:04

know, but they don't I don't think they

21:07

control fifty

21:07

one percent of the people. But the

21:10

people feel just like they did in

21:12

Eastern Europe or under communism or

21:14

national socialism that not

21:16

in their interest to speak out right now.

21:19

That the left has more tools that

21:21

can hurt them and is willing to

21:23

use them. in a way the right is

21:25

more they say fair and won't.

21:27

Therefore, they react accordingly whether you're

21:29

an actor or professor or a

21:31

bureaucrat or a kindergarten

21:33

teacher. They understand that.

21:36

And and so they feel

21:38

comfortable that can get away with that because

21:40

their message of a quality and mandated

21:42

fairness and tolerance is

21:44

much more effective in

21:46

disguising the means than individual liberty

21:48

and and so yeah, I

21:50

think that's what all it matters in

21:52

these crisis moments is whether we

21:54

have enough people let's

21:56

say, do your do your worst, and I'll do my best, and

21:58

we'll see who

21:59

wins. Yeah. Well, that's

22:02

back to my other thing about the the rarity

22:05

of courage. You're

22:07

in the classics. I'm

22:10

wondering, do

22:12

students major in

22:13

the classics anymore.

22:15

It's hard to imagine.

22:18

And and what when

22:20

they do Is it with this

22:22

sincere interest of reading

22:24

Homer or or or

22:26

pericles? I mean, I don't I don't quite

22:28

know why are they doing it?

22:30

Well,

22:31

until recently,

22:34

there were about, you

22:36

know, five thousand classics professors.

22:38

and there was probably about five thousand

22:41

majors total in

22:43

the United States of three thirty million

22:46

people. and they did it because

22:48

they took a class in translation and

22:50

loved the Iliad or they liked

22:53

the edipus, so they thought the

22:55

bakai, and they got into

22:57

it. And then they found out that

22:59

their grammatical skills or their

23:02

inductive skills or their

23:04

appreciation of what were they

23:06

were broadly educated. They had reference. They

23:08

could make observations in

23:10

the abstract with this new body of

23:12

knowledge. And then they found out for some, you know,

23:14

it was a good background to be a

23:17

teacher or a lawyer or a doctor and

23:19

graduate school. And Hugh

23:21

few wanted to go into to graduate

23:26

programs to be teachers, but the problem

23:28

was that that

23:30

you had to make that argument

23:32

to them

23:32

of the not just the as

23:34

you say, the beauty of it and the

23:37

aesthetics, but the practicality.

23:39

because you're asking an eighteen year old, nineteen

23:41

year old to spend two or three thousand

23:44

hours to learn Latin

23:46

and Greek each. and that's a hard sell

23:48

when they're working twenty hours a

23:50

week. I taught mostly a state school

23:52

where everybody was working in

23:54

mostly Mexican, American Hanson Southeast

23:56

Asian. So you had to come up with

23:58

practical ideas. In the

24:00

Ivy League or at Stanford or,

24:02

you know, Berkeley then you have a

24:04

little different argument. You have

24:07

people to have the money and the time and the

24:09

leisure. And yet, they

24:11

are fun it's odd.

24:14

they are the least likely to

24:16

want to Today's classics

24:18

for the beauty of it or the

24:20

development of your character Victor sensitivities. It's

24:23

more people that I found in the working

24:25

class that find a whole new world opens

24:27

up to them. So that's that's

24:29

that's the issue. So why are they in it

24:31

in the ugly? Why

24:34

I don't know. I Oh, okay. That's I think

24:36

they yes. III

24:39

don't know why a professor at Princeton would say,

24:41

I wanna destroy classics.

24:43

And I'm quoting verbatim from this

24:46

Daniel Dale Parotta guy

24:49

and others that went with him or I don't know

24:51

why you'd want to take a guy like Joshua

24:53

Katz who III

24:55

know, but only after his

24:59

his his tragedy. But I knew

25:01

him as a scholar who wrote on

25:03

mycineon and homeric dialect. and

25:05

why would you wanna take somebody with an excellent

25:07

teaching record and try to

25:09

destroy him just because he

25:12

commented that he thought it was a terrorist act to go

25:14

into a Dean's office and try

25:16

to hold him hostage. That's

25:18

a logic and that's

25:20

what I think people are In

25:22

other words, Dennis, how did this

25:24

supposedly

25:26

wonderful aesthetic experience,

25:29

its knowledge of western civilization.

25:31

How did it leave you so ill equipped to be

25:33

a member of the Salem which trial committee and

25:35

go after a fellow humanist and

25:37

try to not just He wrote in IRBs.

25:40

Joshua Katz and -- Yeah. -- who's

25:42

that not a single or maybe one,

25:44

I don't remember who's one or

25:47

zero, has spoken to

25:49

him of all his

25:51

colleagues in the Classics Department

25:53

of Princeton. spoken to him.

25:56

And yet he was a winner

25:58

right now. teaching

26:00

him. That's right. So I

26:03

know it's almost the bitter sounding question. Do

26:06

do

26:06

weaklings tend

26:09

to enter the

26:10

Hugh or or

26:13

professoriate in general? Or

26:15

does college -- Yeah. -- does college

26:17

make them a weekly?

26:19

though both. But they're not the

26:21

muscular working classes. They're not

26:23

they don't fight nature every day. They don't go

26:25

up on telephone poles. envest their lives.

26:27

They don't farm. They're not in behind a

26:30

tractor for fifteen hours a day, bouncing

26:32

up and down. They don't

26:34

drive twelve hundred miles a day in

26:36

a semi. Those are the

26:38

classes. They are the reflective classes.

26:40

And they're much more prone. Yeah. We

26:42

saw that in Canada with the truckers.

26:45

So, Victor, when I meet the people, which I

26:47

do constantly because of all

26:49

the speaking, what I do is you Hugh,

26:53

And I have a question that

26:55

I don't hesitate asking.

26:58

I, obviously, I'm invited to

27:00

almost always conservative groups.

27:02

So I will ask the a couple.

27:04

You have any children? Usually, Hugh,

27:06

have many or whatever the number, and

27:08

then I'll say so. what's

27:11

your batting average in there

27:13

keeping up your

27:15

values?

27:16

and And

27:17

I've asked this to at least five hundred

27:20

people. And

27:21

roughly

27:22

speaking, if

27:26

about a third of their children,

27:28

a third of them all of their

27:30

children have their values,

27:32

a third none children have

27:34

their values Hugh a third, it's

27:36

split. So

27:39

I

27:40

if

27:41

that's been your experience

27:44

as well, I'll go to the question.

27:46

What can what can

27:48

people do? And I have this suggestion,

27:50

and then I wanna hear yours

27:53

before

27:53

we have to say goodbye.

27:55

Very quickly. Yeah.

27:57

Go ahead. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead. If you

27:59

have you have a very quickly question is

28:02

why did

28:02

they change the values that they were

28:04

brought up with? And then the answer is

28:06

they got these values imported

28:09

from universities. Exactly.

28:12

exactly. Okay. because he which leads

28:14

me then to my suggestion. If

28:16

you're raising children, home

28:19

school your child or find one of

28:21

the rare schools that will actually

28:23

teach them knowledge and wisdom.

28:26

And if you are a grandparent, offer

28:28

your children to pay

28:31

what they would lose if they left

28:33

the job in order to homeschool

28:35

their children. Any thoughts?

28:37

I think that's a

28:38

really wise idea. Or if

28:40

you can't do that and you're

28:42

not equipped to teach your

28:44

children in a way that you think a level

28:46

you could put them in a charter

28:49

or a school that maybe had the

28:51

Hillsdale protocol. I've looked

28:53

at their, you know, their private

28:55

k through twelve programs and

28:57

they're excellent. And so

29:00

but Yeah. If you take your child and just

29:02

put them in the public school now, you

29:04

should expect them not to

29:07

like what you are and what you

29:09

are doing. because they

29:11

will be told that they're coming in

29:13

from a toxic environment Hanson

29:15

the university or the school only has

29:17

a few brief moments to

29:19

de program them from this toxicity.

29:22

Right. And they will work at their hardest to

29:24

do that and turn them against you. That's absolutely

29:26

true. I've seen it happen as you

29:29

have thousands of

29:32

times. Well, my friend,

29:34

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29:38

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