How do we ignite healthy conversations to illuminate hope in complex issues? In this episode, Joanne and Sarah interview Fred Dust, author of Making Conversation. Fred is a champion of the arts and civil society, supporting the visionary work of independent artists as a board member of the Sundance Institute and National Public Radio (NPR). His thought leadership has led to new thinking and ways to shift societal narratives.

“My legacy is to be out there relentlessly telling stories of people who get through the hardest conversations in their life, and do it successfully.”