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Speaker B: Welcome to our latest episode where we are thrilled to have Anatoly Ulitofsky join

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us. He's a seasoned entrepreneur and he's also an

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SEO wizard. Anatoly's journey is a remarkable tale of

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resilience, innovation and strategic thinking in the digital world.

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Starting in 2008, he ventured into the online business realm with an electronic gadget shop

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in Ukraine developed in partnership with his brothers.

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Despite its initial success, Anatoly quickly realized that paid advertisements weren't

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enough in the rapidly evolving online market.

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And this realization propelled him into the

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world of SEO, where after overcoming challenges with marketing agencies and

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adapting to major Google algorithm updates, he not only boosted his business, but also

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mastered the art of online visibility.

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So today, Anatoly stands as a beacon in the

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SEO industry, leading his own SEO consulting agency on Miss, his podcasting and blogging,

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and continuously exploring new creative ways to enhance online presence for various

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businesses. His story is not just about adapting to

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change, but thriving in it, making him a go to expert for anyone looking to understand the

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power and the potential of SEO in today's digital landscape.

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So let's dive into his insights, experiences and uncover how he navigates complex and

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competitive the world of online marketing.

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So welcome Anatoly.

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Speaker C: Hi, how are you? Yeah, thanks a lot for this invitation.

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It means a lot for me. I never thought that I'm so good like you

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mentioned about me, because I'm student on this life, I keep learning.

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I made a lot of mistakes, keep doing them.

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It's part of my process to learn, to keep

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going ahead. And one more thing, I love what I do.

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I can fail, but I never stop because of loving is my passion.

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It's not about SEO. I like to get organic reach, I like to get

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traffic, I like to find new ways how to go ahead.

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I'm not special, I'm just student who wanna change the world.

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Speaker B: Well, that's all about being what an expert is.

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You know, as an expert, you have to never stop learning because things keep changing, right?

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Speaker C: Of course, yeah. Digital marketing, SEO, I think it's quickly

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changing wealth. And I compare data with other niches.

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For example, when AI build, probably, I don't want to say a hundred percent, but it's close

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to this number of marketers adopted to AI.

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According to data adopted strongly.

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The rest are looking for ways how to do it better.

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And I, compared with other niches like accounting, people don't use AI, ignore this

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tool. I think it's a big mistake because we don't

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know what we'll bring next.

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AI calculations are great. Probably today they can't help a lot in accounting, but definitely in the future we

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will see this switch and changes as well.

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And in digital marketing, it's very important

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to adapt fast. You know, I'm on the second stage.

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I can't create new chat GPT, I can't create Microsoft Google, but I can be in the second

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stage when all these innovations are coming, we need to adapt fast.

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Because in digital marketing, if something works today, doesn't mean you can get results

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tomorrow. You need to move fast. You need to think fast to adapt fast, then results will come.

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Speaker B: I totally agree with you. When we look back, a lot of people are kind of

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afraid of AI and chat GPT.

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But the reality is if we look at the Internet

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as an example, people felt that way in the very beginning of the Internet, oh my, steal

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my data. Or, oh, and of course that's partially true.

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Good. But on the other hand, the benefits outweigh

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it. And everybody's on the Internet, so I think

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it's going to be the same thing. We just have to use it judiciously.

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But for content creation, it is amazing.

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Speaker C: Yeah, I think we still have time before terminators will kill all human beings.

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Because today, you know, because today AI can help a lot marketers.

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AI, it's a must have tool.

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When Cha PT appealed, I grew my results a lot.

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And I disagree when someone can tell Google hates AI.

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No, Google loves AI.

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If you use it smart, if you can use this tool

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to create high quality content. We grew some projects from zero to plus 2000

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people a day in a very competitive niche with AI content.

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It's not because we can game this.

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I don't know how to game the system, but I

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know how to create high quality content with AI.

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So if you can do it, then results will come.

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If you can't, then you need to understand that

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someone can replace your AI tools can't replace you, but someone who can adapt to AI

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tool, they will replace you. If you don't move fast.

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So for me it's a new journey.

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And today it's the best time, the best time to

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adapt to AI. When Internet appeal, that was the first best

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time. Today it's the second. So any new technologies like Facebook, TikTok, when they pull, people have time to adapt

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fast, to move forward. Then it's much simpler to compete with others.

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Today you have this time, we still have a lot of time, a lot of opportunities to adapt to

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AI, to create high quality content, to get great results.

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Just think how you can do it.

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It's not like for you can do it for a few days.

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It takes time, you know, to craft, to play, to

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fail. I can't say how many times I fail.

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When I decided to write press releases, I use AI and I failed with all my press releases, I

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pitched all of them. I wrote a bunch of press releases.

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Today we got mentions on CNN, Bloomberg, Business Insider, Investing.com, big websites,

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popular website. Because of failing, we failed.

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But from the way how to do it better.

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Speaker B: Yeah, I totally agree with you. Let's go back and reflect a little bit on your

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journey. How have do you think effective SEO strategies

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directly benefited your online business? And the second question that you might segue

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into is what was the most significant change that you noticed after implementing the

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strategy? Speaker C: I think SEO strategy takes time and it's very important to spend this time to

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collect data, to analyze, to think about customers, even more about your products.

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Because most marketing guides tell you need to know your audience.

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Of course you need, but you need to understand product first.

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For example, when I decided to promote online games, the first thing what I did, I played

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these games. I played a few days on these games.

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And when my son phoned me and asked, what's going on?

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You told me I need to read books. But you play online games and disallow me.

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No, no, no, I replied to him, you know, someone paid me sixteen k to play these games.

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What? Sixteen k? I play a lot more, have extended experience than you, but nobody pays me to play this

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game. But it's another story.

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Someone paid me to learn the product, to understand how to market the product.

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So I played when I got experience, why people can play these games, how they can reload

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their mind, to spend time, to enjoy the process.

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I started to learn about buying Persona, about customers, users.

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I collected data. Then when I know the product, when I know

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about target audience, I can craft the strategy and it's very important to do it

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right because I see when some projects can earn a lot of traffic good traffic but can't

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sell products. And I spoke with one master who lost 400,000

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traffic, a lot of traffic. He spent so much resources time to get this

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traffic, but he can't monetize this traffic.

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And for me, it's more important to get traffic

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value, to get traffic that covers buying Persona.

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And when you find topics that you can take your sales funnel, buying Persona, their

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journey, then you can go ahead to choose priorities.

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Because priorities are key. And I see when projects create a plan with

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100,000 keywords and they don't know what to create, even bigger companies have limited

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resources. I usually spend time to choose topics one by

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one that we can where we can create great content.

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If I can't feel that we can create great content, we skip them.

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We can find other topics. If I see that my competitors have great

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content, why I need to compete with them. Okay, you have it.

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I can leave because I can find other topics.

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It's important to create content plan where

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you can provide something new, valuable, much better content then to cover with your brand

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Persona, to submit this call to action and think more about quality than quantity.

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I like quantity as well.

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Let me explain why. Because it's tough to create quality without having experience with quantity.

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That is why I write a lot.

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I love writing. I write plus thousand words a day because I want to craft the skill.

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I want to get great results. And if you want to win in SEO game, you need

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to create high quality, super high quality content for your blog, for your website, and

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crafting your skills on social media. Because on social media, some posts can die

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for a few hours, a few days and nobody cares about them.

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But you need to write to think about your target audience, to bring value on social

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media and get more experience with writing.

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Even today when content creators use chat, GPT

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and any other AI tools, if you don't know how to write, if you have no these skills, you can

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create great content. You need to know the topic, you need to know

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how to write and the best results are coming from someone who have this experience to

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write. So I write a lot.

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I recommend to all my clients to write.

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Then when you have the skills, when you know

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where you can bring a lot more value, you can create the right content.

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Plan to schedule some posts when they will come and something like this.

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And think about other metrics like competition, about sales, how many sales you

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can get from specific boss, how you can provide something new, valuable.

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Because it's not only to create one more piece of content.

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You need to stand out from the rest. It's very important in digital marketing.

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So I recommend to anyone if you want to win today in digital marketing, spend more time to

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learn product, to learn customers, to create the right content plan and find people who can

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help you to implement all your ideas.

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Speaker B: Well, I think every business owner wants to increase website traffic.

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What initial actions do you think they should consider?

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Speaker C: I think initial actions, it depends on the project.

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I can't say that we have one template that works for anybody else.

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I usually start to learn competitors.

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I usually start to check what actually works

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for them. Then when I have a list of ideas, think about

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my strong side. For example, let's imagine you are good

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writer. Why you need to film short videos for TikTok

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if it's not your strong side? If you good with filming, then film.

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Forget about writing. I know some projects have no SEO traffic, but

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they are good with YouTube, TikTok to get sales from these channels.

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If you can hire someone who can decide these problems, then yeah, use them.

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So first you need to think about your strong side, then to analyze weak side of your

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competitors. If you see that you are much better than your

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competitors, jump. If you can't skip it, you don't need to create

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one more piece of content. It's like to write a new book.

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When we have plus thousand books, I often ask my friends about new movies and the most

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common reply, nothing special. I watch many similar movies with the same

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plot. Who cares to watch one more movie?

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We want to watch something new. It's the same with digital marketing.

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If you can't skip it. But if you can, then think, can you do it

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better? And think about your strong side.

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So when you know strong side, when you know competitors know your customers, results will

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come. Just be patient and go ahead, step by step.

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Speaker B: Can you share an example of how maybe a creative and a non standard SEO

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approach significantly boosted a website's traffic?

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Maybe their overall online presence?

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Speaker C: Yeah, my last example about trading news and when I got this client, it's like

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three years ago, he gave me website with a bunch of filters.

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And even when I checked this website, I got the feeling I can't help this project.

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It's better to create a new one. Forget about this website because everything

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was terrible. Black hat SEO, obsolete content written for

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search engines. Nothing special, but we got good budget, good

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money. So we started to rebuild everything from

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scratch to update content.

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We spent time to find great people who can

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write for Forbes, Bloomberg, big websites.

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We hired them to rewrite all this content.

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We changed, uh, link building.

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We changed PR we got great mentions, links, we

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created a bunch of tools.

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But what I did, I didn't listen to advice from

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my customer. He told me, okay, let's check these

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competitors, analyze them. We need to do the same.

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I replied to him, no, no, we don't need to do it.

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Let me explain why. Because your competitors do what you did

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before, you got punishment first Google phone and filter your website.

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Your competitors, I don't know, probably Google will take them, catch them, I don't

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know. Or they will work. But they can grow fast.

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Today, after three years, this website is

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growing. We got a lot of great traffic, big traffic.

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We have many new goals to grow this traffic.

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But competitors are decreasing.

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All competitors are decreasing because of using obsolete strategies.

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Of course the strategies work, that works well.

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But as we started this podcast that digital marketing is a quickly changing world.

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We need to adapt fast. We need to go ahead so we change all

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approaches. And we were a patient, patient with results.

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So nobody works overnight.

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Even a few months are not enough.

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It's not like six months, you can get results.

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No, it takes years. I spoke with Lily Ray on my podcast and she replied to me, some projects take a few years

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to see first meaningful results. Because many competitors, many websites wanna

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get this traffic. Of course we can find much faster way, but it

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doesn't mean that we can game the system and to get results fast.

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It takes time to craft the process, to hire right people.

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And in my agency I usually find people, I reach out to them.

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I don't use support I used before. But right now we reaching out directly to

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great offers. We created the process of PR link building and

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that is why we are growing. So I recommend to anyone, forget about best

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practices. You can learn best practices, but if you feel

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that best practices are related to your strong sign, do it.

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If it's not, forget you know.

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Yes. Self Gordon doesn't film short videos on TikTok.

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Stephen King ignores TikTok, but he's good with writing.

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He can write great pieces of content. So great books.

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You need to do similar.

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Just think about your strong side, about your

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passion, even more about passion. If you love something but have no strong side,

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then be consistent and results will come.

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You can build a strong side. Just love the process if you hate it.

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Many content creators give up so fast.

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They give up because they don't see results.

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I have no idea how to do it fast.

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Speaker B: So answer is just be patient.

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Speaker C: Yeah, be patient and love what you.

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Speaker B: Do and love what you're doing in managing your SEO agency.

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How do you tailor those SEO strategies to diverse clients to ensure that they achieve

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noticeable improvements in web traffic and online visibility.

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Speaker C: I think even biggest agency can't hire all best experts.

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So I remember in 2008, we hired a team of writers who wrote about anything.

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I gave them topics, all topics, anything.

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Weight loss, finance, accounting, anything

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they wrote, Google Rank, then Google updated algorithms many times.

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And today we are looking for experts who, who know the topic, who can write only about one

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specific topic. So Google fired all this team.

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Okay, I fired this team. But Google helped me to fire people who can

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write about anything. And today I outsource writers who write for

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big publications. And even, let's imagine when I paid for pr,

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$6,000 for one press release.

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And I found all these PR agencies charge good

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money for one press release.

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And what they usually did, they write

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themselves. Even today they understand journalists.

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They understand what people are looking for and can write press releases.

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But they are not experts on these topics.

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They far away from that. So what we change.

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I paid for a while this money.

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And then when I got it, I need twelve press releases to satisfy intent of my customers.

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A week, it's like more than seventy k a week.

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And if we account for a year, it's $3,700,000.

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It's a lot. So. And I got it.

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It's tough to pay this money. It's really hard.

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Then we phone experts who can write for big publications.

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They usually write for our blog and I explain them how we can write press releases.

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I showed the process, we failed many times.

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But today when we got mentions on CNN,

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Bloomberg, we got it. Wow, we changed the game.

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It's another experience. So can I allow these people on my team?

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No, I can't because they work on Forbes, they work on big publications, but I can outsource

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them. It's like ghost writing, you know, people are

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looking for passive income. You can find these people to agree fix price.

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You can learn how tools work and create the process.

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If you got much better results than if we pay 6000 per person, much better results.

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We checked and we analyzed PR agency who can write this press release.

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They're not experts, but we get results from experts.

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You just need to teach them what kind of press releases to write, why journalists can post

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those press releases, and how to pitch all these press releases, right?

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So my advice for anyone learn, think, can you do it differently?

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Then results will come. Speaker B: Okay. Given the intense competition in the online space, what key advice would you

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give to businesses about the benefits of SEO and how to leverage these strategies to stand

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out in what's a saturated market?

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Speaker C: Yeah. Okay, about this market.

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Extremely competitive, market saturated,

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overwhelmed. I want to say you need to switch your

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attention or start to switch your attention from writing blog posts.

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Let me explain why. In 2008, we created ecommerce content that was

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simple to game the system.

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Google didn't recognize user intent that

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Google can do it today. Today, blogs get more traffic than any other

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channel. 56% of all traffic are coming to blog.

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That is why all websites have blocks.

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I think it's a good idea to start blogging

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content. But the first thing, it's extremely

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competitive today.

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Plus, 7 million blog posts appeal every single

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day. You need to create blog posts and you have no

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idea. Can you get results or not even big websites

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can get results with blog content. Neil Patel shared that most of his blog

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content don't get traffic.

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Yes, he got a lot of traffic he gets, but most

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of content are dying. If new puzzle can't, let's imagine about

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others. You know, it's. It's really tough. The second I'm not sure about the future of

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block content. You know, when the feature snippet appealed on

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Google, many content creators complain that Google can steal our traffic.

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What about today? When chatbots can still rewrite your content

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and even without linking to you, Google at least linked to our content.

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And when someone can tell that SEO will never be dead?

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I'm not sure about that. I think everything has the end, including SEO.

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And here are two reasons. Today, when chat GPT appealed, 12% of people

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use chatbots to search for information, including me.

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I speak with chatbots more often than with my wife.

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I love my wife, but. Yeah, but I can ask a lot of great questions

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on chat GPT, and 12% of people can do it.

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When I search something that it's tough to

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find on Google, I still have these questions.

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Like for example, I decided to open new

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business in Florida. I needed a list of documents.

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I asked this question on Google and I got a lot of information about business.

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Why it's important to open business. What is the difference in for it?

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I don't need it. You know, of course it's valuable, it's

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helpful for someone, but I don't need it.

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I needed a list of documents. That's it.

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So chat GPT gave me answer for a few seconds.

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Yeah. Yes, the same with Bart.

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I asked about can I use self drivers feature on Tesla?

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And Bart gave me answer for a few seconds on Google.

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If you ask this question, you can get a lot of information about Tesla, about electrical

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cars. Why it's important for our environment.

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Of course it's important. I don't deny it, but I don't need it, you

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know, I don't need this information. So I think it's only beginning of chatbots

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evolution. More and more people will ask questions on

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chatbots. The main problem with chatbots, they don't

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link to our content. So they can rephrase, rewrite, provide

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information. And that is why I think we need to move fast.

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It doesn't matter that blue content will die.

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New York Times, Forbes were created before

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digital. They adapted to digital, they adapt to any

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other environment. So today, it's important to have strong brand

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recognition, to build brand awareness when people open your blogs and wanna read you.

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So to get direct traffic. The second SEO doesn't teach us how to rank on

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Google, of course SEO can teach about that.

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But SEO teaches how to create high quality

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content, how to earn authoritative, relevant backlinks.

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It's not only about to get ranking positions, it's more about to create brand awareness.

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If I get mentioned on CNN, Forbes, it doesn't mean that it's only for SEO.

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It can help to build my recognition, my brand, so you can use insights that SEO teaches us

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and to switch attention to write less blog content.

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Even if it works today, probably if you can do it today, if you're great with that, probably

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you don't need. But if you start a new website, it will be

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tough to win this game.

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So I recommend to switch attention to create

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simple tools. Simple tools like calculators, converters,

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like any other tools, you can find a bunch of tools and we have great results.

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With tools, it's not competitive, it's not tough.

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People, content creators usually craft blog content, but they ignore tools.

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And on this niche, you can still get a lot of traffic.

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Chat bots are not ready to replace tools today.

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What you can do with tools differently, for example, you can find a calculator.

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Let's imagine, I don't know how to lose weight calculator.

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Yes. So you can use how many calories to eat a day.

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You can consider your age, sex, everything.

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Yeah. And you can find tools that get million traffic.

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If you adapt to AI, it's simple.

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Just go to chat GPT and ask, okay, I want to

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create this tool, but I want to create something better.

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Chat GPT or bar can listen updates that you can make much better.

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Then you can unite and connect Appian and create much better tools or any other tools

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are not ready to replace such tools with user friendly interface.

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SEO brings a lot of traffic to tools.

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So if you wanna think about the future, you

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need to understand today, jump to tools, you can get great results.

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And I do it. I get a lot of traffic to tools.

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We create simple tools, we submit our call to action.

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We grew a few projects in very competitive niche for a year.

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If I do it with blog content, we still use blog content, but most traffic are coming to

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tools because it's not competitive.

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You still have room for that.

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Speaker B: Now that's really interesting.

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I'm looking for a tool and I'm thinking to

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myself, I wonder if I put that I want a tool that creates simplistic games related to

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courses that I put up. Have you ever seen anything like that?

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Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Because I help with creating online games and if you want to unite

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with specific projects, yeah, it's possible.

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It's not tough to do it. Speaker B: So if somebody wants to do something, whether it's SEO and build a new

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website, go back to their, as you said, go back to their buyer Persona, create that and

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start all over again. How can people contact you and what would you

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suggest? Just promote yourself a little bit.

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Speaker C: Yeah, I want to help you with your tool about gaming.

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So the right way? Yeah, to show the right way.

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If you want to create a game, you can use website unity.com.

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It's popular website where you can find a lot of templates with sounds design customizable

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to any tools. Then when you find great asset, you can ask

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people on upwork to develop this tool for you.

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And it doesn't cost a lot of money.

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It's not expensive, crazy money.

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So you can do it probably for a few thousand

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dollars. You can create great game and show to your

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customers, users even to get aco traffic.

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Just use unity. We have another website.

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What is that? Quote quote kenyan I can send the link canyon yeah.com let me write to you.

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Speaker B: Well that's okay, I'll get it after people can, but how can they contact you?

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Speaker C: Yeah, the best way to contact me to reach out on LinkedIn.

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But please add the message I ignore.

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When someone reaches out to me without the

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message, if I see the template on this message, I still ignore.

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But if you write personalized message then I will reply 100%.

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You can reach out to me on my website unmist.com.

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So to ask anything that I can help you to lead in the right direction.

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So I'm open with that. I'm active but super busy so be patient if I

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can't reply immediately. Speaker B: So UnMISS unmiSs.com and contact you on LinkedIn and maybe just say from Nan's

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podcast or something like that so that, you know, they're legitimate.

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Whatever. Well, thank you so much for all your time and

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appreciate everything that you've done to give us some good advice and bring us up to date

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with what's really happening. Speaker C: Yeah, a big pleasure.

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Thanks a lot for inviting me, for asking all

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these great questions. It means a lot for me.

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I love to share value. I love to help others.

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So if you wanna invite one more time, I will bring more value.

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Guys, ask me any questions.

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Simple, stupid, smart, I don't care. Ask anything.

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I will reply to all of them. Thank you.

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