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we're

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going to. go check out the remnants of the

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Yeah, it was a tough game. Push. Uh, we had

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4:05

you KV

4:08

I I'm gonna throw I'm gonna toss

4:10

the reins over to you for the fact that

4:12

you you put together a great

4:14

agenda I'd love for you to be the quarterback

4:17

in the huddle on today's episode Kind

4:19

of guide us where you want to take

4:21

us and let us react and make plays.

4:24

So without further ado KV Why don't

4:26

you take control and let's

4:28

dive into this NFL? What are we calling

4:30

it? Like a Little half

4:33

quarter. Yeah. Yeah third

4:35

of the way through the season, you know the traffic

4:38

Scheduling is always kind of nebulous So we're having

4:40

we still call it the quarter season check-in, but we

4:42

just get a little bonus a couple What's it's

4:44

quarter of the whole season not just a regular

4:47

season. That's true Yeah, we are gonna

4:49

we're gonna bring some playoff heat this year With

4:51

the people have been demanding pushes takes in

4:54

the streets The Harry has a new lot

4:56

new perspective as a second-time father

4:59

So I'm ready to I'm ready to

5:01

play the Vinnie test a Verde role the senior

5:03

ball knower I kind of just you know, share

5:06

share the wealth around Guys,

5:08

you know, I think the not like a bunch

5:11

of major surprises in the NFL

5:13

this year in terms of the season TC

5:16

I know that you were calling for the ball early this

5:18

year You kind of wanted to maybe

5:20

turn this into a Shani appreciation pod.

5:23

I guess I guess I'll Start there,

5:26

you know, the Niners look like the best team

5:28

in the NFL Certainly were before

5:30

the Browns game this weekend I know

5:32

any PU and push would like to sort of have

5:34

the mic for a minute and just sort of You

5:36

know to sort of shame all that the

5:38

few detractors in Shani world What

5:41

do you have to say for yourselves? I do you

5:43

feel that that this is even

5:45

though we're coming off a loss That mr.

5:47

Shani has finally been validated as perhaps

5:50

the NFL's best mind.

5:51

I do unequivocally I mean the

5:54

haters have been silent silent

5:56

for

5:57

months now

5:59

And it's not just Shani,

6:02

you

6:02

look at what Bobby Sloak is

6:04

doing down in Houston,

6:06

you look at what Mike McD is doing

6:09

down in Miami. In

6:12

Miami,

6:14

we're talking about

6:15

the preeminent coach of this generation. Wow.

6:18

So that's all I have to say. There's

6:20

a lot of people out there who hate how much this podcast

6:23

turns into a Shani appreciation sort

6:25

of tribute. We're

6:27

going to ignore them for a minute and give you the stage here

6:30

as the biggest appreciator of all. How

6:32

do you feel the first part of the season's gone? What

6:35

are your expectations for the rest? Completely

6:37

unsurprising beginning to the season. I think

6:40

for all of us Shani knowers

6:43

and ball knowers, we knew we

6:45

foresaw this coming. We

6:47

knew Brock was real deal. Excuse me. We

6:50

knew Brock was real deal. And

6:53

I know there's some of these trolls

6:56

and haters that are peeking their heads up. Some behind

6:58

trees and

7:00

random hallways after yesterday's

7:02

loss. But the bottom line is that

7:04

was about as crappy a game as you

7:06

could possibly get. And Brock

7:09

still drove them down at the end of the game, despite

7:11

how poorly we were playing on offense.

7:15

Things were just off tempo. Things were off. You

7:18

know, we had what happened is Deebo goes out. CMC

7:20

goes out. The we're having

7:22

to move guys around, play different positions. It's so

7:25

early in the season, we haven't had to do that yet. So

7:28

you have Ray McLeod playing in a

7:30

Deebo's role and you have, you know, guys

7:32

like Jordan Mason and Elijah Mitchell coming in to

7:34

try to play the CMC role. It just doesn't quite

7:37

work. The timing is off against maybe

7:39

the best defense in the league. I would say

7:41

Cleveland's either number one or number two in the league.

7:44

The Jim Schwartz. All right. Especially

7:47

in the rain. Like in the rain. In Cleveland.

7:50

I have smaller hands. We're a little

7:52

bit concerned about that. Things might be nervous.

7:55

The hands were definitely an issue yesterday with

7:57

the ball slipping around and he wasn't really able

7:59

to. spin it with the heavy ball. But

8:03

you know what? He still drove him down at the end of the, at

8:05

the end of the game. When it, when it really mattered

8:07

or down, he had to take us down the field.

8:10

It's IU for a big gainer. It's

8:12

the out to John Jennings sets us up.

8:15

There's some questions about whether Shanny held

8:17

onto the time on instead of trying to get Ricky

8:20

quicker, a few more, a few more yards

8:22

to get them inside, you know, that 35 range

8:24

instead of just doubling for the 40 yarder, you

8:27

know, he missed, he missed the 54 yard

8:29

earlier in the game. Those are the first two kicks he's missed all

8:31

year. So we give him some slack. The

8:34

game was ultimately a very sloppy game.

8:36

It just wasn't the refs were awful.

8:38

I would just say that both teams,

8:41

the refs were terrible, terrible. I'll

8:45

give it to you. Can

8:48

we take control of this episode? If

8:50

I uke catches that pass in

8:52

the, in the first quarter, it's a totally

8:55

different ball game. And you, I

8:58

would like to focus on the majesty

9:01

that was the first five games

9:03

in the season for them. So that's, that's

9:05

all I have to say about that. That's also, it's tough when Deebo

9:09

gets hurt,

9:09

like Deebo and CMC, I feel like they can

9:12

kind of cover for each other, but when both of them get

9:14

hurt, that's tough. Yeah. All right. I hate

9:16

guys that were bleeding listeners who are not 49er

9:18

fans. We're going to take a quick spin

9:20

around the league. I feel like, you know, we're just

9:22

going to do a quick check in where we stand. The division leaders

9:25

through six games, obviously we still have the Monday night

9:27

game that this will come out after it

9:29

goes down, but the dolphins, the

9:32

Ravens, the Jags and the chiefs, no

9:35

major surprises there big,

9:37

you know, you're, you're kind of pay a little closer attention

9:39

to the AFC than these two NFC

9:41

knuckleheads. Do you have any thoughts on how the AFC

9:43

is shaken out so far? Obviously your

9:46

guys got off to a little bit of a stumbled

9:49

start, but any thoughts in the AFC? Uh,

9:52

the daw, let's start in the East. I

9:54

had the dolphins super impressive. I know,

9:56

uh, at the risk of continuing

9:59

this. great offense through what

10:02

six weeks. Still

10:06

some questions. I don't know how much you want to get

10:08

into each team. I still worry

10:11

a little bit about the physicality and

10:14

when we get cold in most of the country, how

10:17

that brand of football is going to travel

10:19

on the road. We shall

10:21

see. You know, the Ravens leading the

10:24

AFC North, no surprise

10:26

there. AFC North is a bit

10:28

of a slugfest as it usually

10:31

tends to be. Patrick Queens

10:33

and a beast. Yeah, the

10:35

Bengals at three and three are last

10:38

right now in the AFC North, which

10:40

tight division there. The Jags, the

10:42

Jags have kind of been a little Jekyll

10:45

and Hyde TC, but certainly

10:47

where we expected them to be leading

10:50

that division, but the Texans looked

10:52

super frisky. Again, at the

10:55

risk of the Shanny Fest continuing.

10:58

And then the Chiefs are the Chiefs. I'm really

11:00

curious and KV, you can get

11:02

us into this when the time is right, but

11:05

the Chiefs,

11:06

I almost hate to say this, but

11:08

they don't, I just don't

11:10

quite understand. They're just

11:12

not passing the eye test to me right now.

11:15

The offense doesn't look great. I'm

11:18

not exactly sure how they're doing it.

11:21

Chris Jones being back is a huge help

11:23

to them, but yeah, those are my initial thoughts.

11:25

No shocks, as you said, and

11:27

some questions on some of these leading teams.

11:30

But you know, I'm a partial believer for sure

11:32

in the eye test. I have to share your Chiefs thoughts.

11:34

I think that they're kind of like a movie

11:37

monster that looks like

11:39

it's limping around. It's got arrows sticking out of its

11:41

body. Think that it's dead and they just

11:43

kind of keep coming back. So

11:46

I'm not sure. And I'm totally buying.

11:48

I'm like two backs in the homes. Yeah.

11:51

And I don't want to write them off because they deserve every

11:53

benefit of the doubt. And my homes

11:55

is my home. So I realized

11:57

that they have proven themselves. but

12:00

I just wonder how

12:03

they just don't feel explosive. They don't

12:05

feel a lot of the things past

12:08

chief teams have felt to me. Did

12:10

any of you guys catch the quarterback show on Amazon?

12:13

No. I watched it. I would

12:16

want to start over. So I would

12:18

encourage watching it just because

12:21

it will probably confirm a lot of

12:23

your priors about Patrick in

12:26

that he is very cringe,

12:29

especially a lot of dealings with his

12:32

wife. But the

12:34

dude works very hard. You get a lot

12:36

of, it actually, I came away, it

12:39

changed a little bit in my opinion about Kirk Cousins.

12:41

It made me feel a little bit more sympathetic towards

12:44

Cousins in some ways, who I just thought was just kind of a

12:46

cornball, and I felt like I was rooting

12:49

for Kirk Cousins. But you do get a lot of insight

12:51

into Patrick about what

12:53

a cocky shit talker he is on the

12:56

field. You get a lot of, the fact that it's Peyton

12:59

Manning executive produced, you get the NFL

13:01

signed off on releasing all this footage

13:03

from games and stuff. I think it's worthwhile.

13:06

I watched it with my girls and they're both interested

13:09

in Patrick Mahomes without really being a fan just

13:11

because he's sort of this kind of magnetic character.

13:15

I was very skeptical about it, but I would encourage

13:17

you guys to dip your toe in it. Let's

13:20

put a pivot to the NFC. It was

13:22

sort of a week of big guns kind of stumbling a bit

13:27

as the Eagles suffered what I feel

13:29

like was kind of an inexplicable, embarrassing

13:31

loss to a terrible Jets. I

13:33

mean, the Jets aren't terrible, but they shouldn't

13:35

have beat the Eagles. Can't, can't. Yeah,

13:38

clearly. So the

13:40

Eagles are leading that division. The

13:43

Lions, my Lions are leading- Our

13:46

Lions, your Lions. Our Lions, I thought they were my Lions.

13:48

Listen, I've rode so hard for the Lions.

13:50

I feel like you just kind of, you know, drafted off that wave.

13:52

I do. Nobody loves the Lions like I

13:55

do. Of course. Our Lions

13:57

in general. And

13:59

then Tampa. surprise Tampa, which

14:01

is on my squad this year. And

14:04

then of course the Niners wrapping up their

14:06

division. Pouche, any thoughts

14:08

on the NFC other than the Niners? You're

14:10

sort of our NFC correspondent. Yeah,

14:13

could I comment quickly

14:15

on Mike Chiefs? Yeah. I

14:17

just wanted to say that Mike Chiefs are winning

14:19

with defense. And that's, I think, the

14:21

biggest difference with this team is they're

14:24

actually playing really, really, really

14:26

good defense to start the

14:28

year. And even without Chris Jones, they were

14:30

kind of battling and keeping

14:32

these. That's why the games were kind of ugly, while

14:35

Mahomes operates with a bunch of jags. And

14:39

I think that while they're

14:41

trying to get their offense together, which I

14:44

just get the feeling like we're going to come back

14:46

in week 12, 13, and this offense

14:48

is going to be singing, because they're going to have all these

14:51

pieces together, and Andy Reid

14:53

will figure it all out. But right now it's

14:55

just a bunch of randoms, and they're just

14:57

winning the defense and letting Mahomes just kind

14:59

of make it happen, you know what I mean, and

15:01

just get through. Can I tell you what you

15:03

want to just take real quick about that? Are

15:06

the Chiefs the Patriots from

15:08

the mid-2010s, where they

15:11

would just basically be like, all right, our quarterback

15:13

is better than anybody. Our coach is

15:15

as good as anybody. We're just going to throw a bunch of

15:17

randos in there. And by the end of the year, we're going to

15:19

be 12 and 4. We're going to have home field advantage,

15:21

and we'll figure it out. Yeah. And

15:23

I think Steve Spagnolo needs to get

15:25

a little bit more credit for the

15:28

fact that he's been on multiple

15:31

Super Bowl winning defenses with

15:33

the Giants, and then obviously getting

15:36

to it with the Chiefs. He's

15:38

just a good coordinator. He figures

15:40

it out. I mean, they're never leading

15:42

the league in defense, but he just wants to get in

15:44

the playoffs. It's like his team just takes over.

15:47

But as far as the NFC goes, yeah, I think

15:50

it's a pretty spread out NFC. I

15:55

think there's a lot of top

15:57

heavy division with the Eagles minors. Seemingly

16:00

Detroit and I think then there's

16:02

there's I think Detroit and and the

16:05

Cowboys are on a tear down from the Eagles

16:07

and the Niners, but Obviously

16:09

after yesterday that luster

16:11

is a little bit Different

16:14

than it was the day before I think you

16:16

know People are gonna look at look at these games and

16:18

be like all the Eagles are are beatable

16:20

the Niners are beatable now They see

16:22

the beat this is but it takes a very

16:25

very specific

16:26

set of circumstances to

16:27

beat those teams. I think it's hurt throwing Multiple

16:30

interceptions. It's the Niners offense

16:32

really look, you know with injuries heavy

16:35

ball things just getting off filter So I

16:37

think it's it's pretty much a two or three of horse

16:39

race in in the NFC I don't think it's

16:41

that close at the moment for change obviously

16:44

Uh, I would say throw out a take that I think it's

16:46

actually better if you're a really good team to lose

16:49

early instead of like Go 13 14 and oh uh,

16:52

because then there's all this other bullshit that you have to deal

16:54

with and like you just It's no one's gonna

16:56

go freaking 16 and oh go or 17 and oh going

16:58

in the playoffs like it's just The pushing

17:01

for that goal is almost worse because you get guys

17:03

beat up guys playing when maybe they shouldn't you know

17:06

They're asking all these questions about it. So I

17:08

hate to be the cliche of like maybe it'll be a good for

17:10

both the Eagles and the Niners, but I

17:12

would say Probably better just knock that

17:14

off as someone who had to write about the 11 and oh eagles

17:17

last year or whatever and then They

17:20

they sort of got caught up in like oh Are we ever gonna

17:22

lose and then you know things got a little rocky

17:24

in terms of even getting home field advantage? Through

17:26

that. I also think it's it's good. It's when you're

17:28

gonna lose a game You might as well lose to teams

17:31

that you shouldn't be losing to I know that

17:33

sounds Sounds weird But it's like if we

17:35

if we go out and we lose at the Cowboys last week

17:37

in a game that's being built up and it's You

17:39

know this Quasl playoff game atmosphere

17:42

and all these people are talking about it And you go

17:44

out there and you get outplayed and lose or you

17:46

look like that and you lose That to

17:48

me is a lot more condemning than going

17:51

into Cleveland the week after that

17:53

in the rain playing at pj walker XFL

17:55

quarterback and just kind of having a everything

17:58

go against you and then losing

18:01

the game on the last play field goal. That's a

18:04

better way to lose. And I think the Niners in

18:06

their post game, they were all

18:08

kind of just like, you know what? Like we got outplayed today,

18:10

we didn't have it. We'll

18:12

take the lesson learned and we'll move on. It wasn't like

18:15

nobody was like crushed and really, really

18:17

losing. And it just felt like, you know, we let it slip

18:20

and we'll be better for it. Do

18:22

you see anything surprise you in the early stages

18:24

of the season? Anything that you felt like,

18:26

oh crap, I didn't see that coming. I

18:29

didn't see Tampa being decent

18:32

at all. My guy, Baker Mayfield, I

18:35

think the last one I got was about how he motherfucked

18:37

me once when I tried to interview him in the hallway. The

18:40

hallway was apparently very, very inappropriate

18:42

to discuss with him. So happy to see

18:44

my guy. As far as

18:46

surprises go, I'm legitimately surprised

18:48

at just how fucking terrible Desmond Ritter is.

18:51

Like he's awful. He's awful.

18:53

Are the Fathoms truly throwing away like a legitimately

18:56

good season by putting Ritter in

18:58

there? Yeah, I don't understand why they can't

19:01

throw Heinecke a bone. And

19:03

they obviously signed him to be like a high

19:05

level backup, you know, use him a little

19:08

bit because I liked the Van Jefferson

19:10

trade that they just made. But yeah, like they

19:12

can't, they refuse to get pits

19:15

as involved as he should be. They're

19:17

not using Cordero at all.

19:20

Like I like Arthur

19:22

Smith, but I don't really understand Arthur

19:25

Smith.

19:25

So I'm struggling with that

19:27

internally a little bit. Yeah,

19:31

I'm one that has a lot

19:33

of Bijon stock in the fantasy league. It's

19:36

very frustrating to watch the usage

19:39

in the way that they kind of employ

19:41

them. It seems like what they could do with

19:43

Algier and Bijon is like go

19:46

into the two back thing and really use

19:48

that to their advantage with being able to split

19:50

them out wide because you can basically play in the slot

19:53

as well. And with

19:55

Cordero, it feels like they could be going full

19:57

blown position with football out there and they're

19:59

just not. And I don't understand what

20:01

our Smith is doing. I don't understand what this offense

20:03

is. It's like this kind of power

20:06

run game with not a lot

20:08

of, you know, motion or any

20:10

other thing happening, it's just kind of like, we're going to drive

20:12

it down. You throw, we're going to run power and, and, and

20:15

these kind of inside runs. And then we'll just

20:17

let Desmond Ritter drop back and just fire

20:20

it at people. And it's awful.

20:22

It's just not a very good watch. And the defense is actually

20:24

pretty good. I think they have a really, a really nice

20:26

secondary and have some nice pieces on defense,

20:29

but yeah, it feels like that game yesterday

20:31

was like indicative

20:33

of the way that they played all year. Big anything

20:35

to surprise you about the first sort of

20:38

quarter of the season that you six out? I

20:40

know we're going to talk bangles, but the bangles

20:43

just looking awful there for

20:45

a few weeks. I, and I don't think they're

20:48

fully back yet, although they've

20:50

been able to scrape together some wins that's

20:53

been surprising. Uh, the Patriots

20:55

just totally bought, bottoming

20:57

out has been a bit surprising.

21:01

Um, I don't know. I struggled

21:03

to think other like massive

21:06

surprises. I don't, I

21:08

don't have many. Uh, it

21:10

doesn't feel like a season where like everything

21:13

we expected has been upended yet, right?

21:15

It feels like except for some few

21:17

injuries, like the status quo was sort of, well,

21:20

and like you had a hunch

21:22

on is proved more

21:24

true than you even thought. Like Bryce young, more

21:27

nebbish and little, and

21:29

we even thought, or like Mr. Unlimited

21:32

and like he's like, he's not

21:34

long for that, for that team.

21:37

Uh, what are they going to do with him? I mean,

21:39

I guess that's, that's a surprise PCI.

21:42

I think the Broncos are a surprise. They

21:44

obviously, they were not good last year.

21:47

I think Peyton by virtue of his,

21:49

his resume

21:51

and his reputation. I

21:54

know people in Denver were very excited

21:56

for this football season, but it is more

21:58

of the same. That is a bad. bad football

22:00

team right now. Yeah, he's, I

22:03

don't know, Peyton to me, he

22:05

just doesn't look like particularly healthy

22:07

or particularly like, you know, I mean, certainly

22:09

engaged, but I just, I can't imagine

22:12

walking away from the league and then like being so

22:15

invested and coming back to just a garbage

22:17

dumpster fire like that they have there.

22:20

And what the hell happened to their defense? You know, it was so good

22:22

last year. How could it be as embarrassing

22:24

as it was this year? I mean, I know our boy

22:26

Mike McD is willing to

22:28

put up a lot of points and probably could have put up 80 in

22:31

that game we had wanted, but man,

22:33

like that was a disgrace. They

22:36

went from Evero who was an

22:38

upcoming coordinator to

22:40

back to Vance Joseph with, you

22:42

know, who's also been just kind of sitting

22:44

on the sideline for a while and he's awful.

22:47

I mean, they've just been awful. I believe the

22:49

Patriots just crossed the 70

22:51

point mark yesterday. They needed

22:54

to score like 15 points to get

22:56

there what the Dolphins put up in that one game.

22:59

So for the season. Like a Brian's parents.

23:03

Yeah. Zach

23:05

Johnson led Patriots squad. I

23:08

think one other surprise is

23:10

the Rams. I think the Rams

23:12

are really plucky. Fight. And

23:15

you know, I think it's a credit to

23:18

McVeigh. It's a credit to Danny.

23:22

Some of their talent evaluation with Puca

23:24

and Tutu Atwell and kind

23:27

of conjuring up a running game and like

23:29

cup hasn't even been healthy. So, you know,

23:31

who knows? Maybe they are able to retool

23:33

on the fly and be a legitimate

23:36

threat. Let's

23:39

bounce around some of the major kind of news things. I

23:41

just want to see if you guys have any thoughts on any of this

23:43

stuff. It's kind of the markers of what's

23:46

gone down so far this season. Obviously Aaron Rodgers

23:49

blowing out his Achilles happened

23:51

literally like right after we posted our

23:54

other pod. And now

23:56

he's resorted to basically like picking fights

23:58

with people who are getting. more attention

24:00

than him and in calling Travis

24:03

Kelsey, Mr. Pfizer. It's really great

24:05

to hear from Mr. Ivermectin on various

24:08

medical health journeys. I don't

24:11

know, any Aaron Rodgers thoughts that

24:13

I, my biggest Aaron Rodgers take, to be honest,

24:16

is that that Achilles injury saved a

24:18

lot of, like saved him from

24:20

people realizing how average he is

24:23

right now. And this stuff that I

24:25

think he actually would have had, they would have been fine. They would have

24:27

been four and, you know, as opposed to three and

24:29

three. But I really think that Rodgers

24:32

is kind of falling off a cliff as a great

24:35

quarterback. And I don't

24:37

think that the Jets would be like

24:40

five and one if he was running

24:42

the show there. I agree.

24:45

I think that team with Rodgers

24:48

is a lot more volatile. I think that's, I

24:50

think, you know, if things start to go

24:53

south, then he just

24:55

sucks all the oxygen out of the room and

24:57

becomes pouty Aaron. And

24:59

when you have pouty Aaron,

25:01

then on a team like that

25:04

with a lot of the young guys and a lot of guys

25:06

that are looking to him for the attitude

25:08

and for the leadership, if

25:10

you start, he turns into a wah wah

25:13

pouty boy, then it becomes a

25:15

real downer and it changes the tenor

25:18

of the entire team. I think he's

25:20

still trying to get in the news every week, whether it's, you

25:23

know, walking to the place without

25:25

crutches or throwing in warm

25:27

ups last night, I saw, which is so ridiculous,

25:29

you know, suggesting that, you know, he might

25:32

come back late in the year, which

25:34

seems to me to be totally insane. I don't

25:37

know. I just, the whole, like, revelation

25:41

that he's, you know, getting paid to go on McAfee every

25:43

week and share his various thoughts on the world was

25:46

quite something to me. I don't want

25:48

to dwell on him for that long. But Nick

25:51

Chubb, you know, basically getting his knee run through

25:53

a paper shredder was pretty awful moment

25:56

for a Nick Chubb fan,

25:58

JK Dobbins, a Kind of not

26:00

surprising to me as someone who falls the Ravens a little

26:02

bit to see him get injured yet again. But

26:05

you know, an Achilles tear there. Big

26:08

obviously burrows calf injury was in

26:10

some ways like besides

26:13

Rogers like a little probably the bigger story

26:16

of the start of the year. Doesn't look

26:18

like it's gonna kind of be an issue anymore. But

26:20

any thoughts on someone who kind of, you

26:23

know, is pretty locked into what's going on there. What what

26:25

did you think about that? Yeah,

26:28

let me let me go back real quick if I may. Sorry,

26:31

and I will bring it around the burrow. But on

26:33

on Aaron Rogers, I couldn't believe

26:35

myself. I was sitting there watching the Eagles

26:38

Jets game yesterday. And

26:40

I actually I texted

26:42

you guys like for the first time

26:44

maybe ever. I actually thought

26:46

Zach Wilson is starting to look competent.

26:49

And I don't know if that's an aberration.

26:52

I don't know if I can trust it just

26:54

quite yet. He was a disaster

26:57

in that first start against the Cowboys. But

26:59

since then, not bad. And

27:02

to the point where this Jets

27:04

team, the roster is very deep.

27:06

The defense is is very good.

27:09

Breeze Hall is maybe

27:12

my favorite running back in the league right now. Dude

27:15

is super spry. I'm

27:17

almost wondering if if the Jets aren't

27:19

going to find themselves in this weird spot

27:21

where it's like, you know, hey, we wanted

27:23

to give up on Zach, we wanted to go down there and

27:26

Rogers route. But maybe

27:28

like by the end of all of this, they come back

27:30

to like, Oh, we've turned Zach Wilson into

27:32

a functional leader

27:36

of this team. I don't know, it was a long

27:38

way to go there. God, it would be so sick.

27:40

They were just kind of say it would be so

27:43

so great if Zach Wilson like led them to

27:45

like a 10 and six record and then Aaron Rodgers

27:47

insisted that he get to come back and

27:49

play because that is the most Aaron Rodgers outcome

27:51

I can imagine. Dude,

27:54

Randy, I'm totally with you there. Like, like first

27:56

time I really watched him in extended

27:59

fashion was that that Kansas City game

28:02

this year. And like he's, I was impressed. Like he,

28:04

you know, he's got, there's something there.

28:06

There's a spark there. There's a, there's

28:08

a certain willingness to will

28:10

his team to victory. Wouldn't you rather have Zach Wilson

28:13

than Mack Jones going forward at this point? Like

28:15

at least you have like a huge talent sort

28:17

of. All right, Zach Wilson or Vanilla Vic.

28:20

Ooh, boy. You're

28:22

asking the whole questions DC. Honestly,

28:25

I looked at them pretty similar.

28:27

Yeah.

28:28

Zach Wilson went second in the draft

28:31

because he's that

28:32

incredible arm talent. And this just

28:35

goes kind of back to my adjusting field stakes,

28:37

which is, which is in

28:39

the NFL, we don't give quarterbacks enough. We

28:41

just don't give them enough time anymore. We used to

28:43

give them like years and years and years

28:45

to develop. That's game two though. That's

28:47

the, it's not like just us are doing that. That's,

28:50

that's the way the game has gone. So

28:52

I feel like And that's the way that the investment is and that

28:54

you should come out ready and you should come out

28:56

developed enough to at

28:59

least within one year or year by year

29:01

two be ready to roll. But it's

29:03

a financial advantage too. If you're playing

29:05

in year two, you got four years of like

29:07

minimum salary for a guy. And

29:10

there's a line, and there's a lines of Brock there that

29:12

I won't take right now, but it's just, I'll just say

29:14

that. And the fact that you can step

29:16

in. We got to then

29:19

say how badly they fucked up on the Trey Lance

29:21

thing. Sure. We'll get to the course. We're going

29:23

to have a whole Niners Brock discussion, but

29:26

you know, we're big. You had

29:28

the point you were going to break it back around to bro, I think. Oh,

29:31

well just, just, it

29:33

was kind of sobering watching

29:37

burrow there the first few weeks without

29:40

mobility. It

29:43

crystallized what makes him such a good quarterback.

29:46

And that is his ability to be

29:48

mobile in the pocket to extend

29:51

plays by that extra beat or

29:54

two for his receivers to get open.

29:57

And when he wasn't able to do that and.

30:00

Essentially their offense turned into like

30:02

him trying to get the ball out in two seconds

30:04

or less. Very bad, very

30:07

not good offense. I mean it was painful

30:09

there a couple of weeks. That Titans game I texted

30:12

my brother and I'm like this is a bad, bad

30:14

football team speaking about the Bengals. Now

30:18

luckily the last

30:20

couple of weeks he started

30:22

to show more mobility. All the reports

30:24

are that the calf is doing well.

30:27

They're now on to their bye week so hopefully

30:30

it can really progress and

30:32

get him to a point where he feels comfortable

30:34

in the pocket extending plays. But

30:37

that was the big eye opener to me is like the

30:39

secret sauce for Burrow is his ability

30:42

to work the pocket, step

30:44

up in the pocket and do all that sort

30:46

of stuff. That's such a great point and I don't think

30:49

a lot of people speak to that when they think of mobility

30:51

of a quarterback. They think of Lamar Jackson taking

30:53

off down the field or whatever when nobody's open. But really

30:56

truly the gift of playing quarterback in the

30:58

NFL, Joe Montana and Tom Brady did better than

31:01

anybody ever, was the understanding of if

31:03

I slide away from pressure but don't run,

31:05

this guy's going to come open. This

31:08

thing will start to hit and that's truly

31:10

what Burrow's gift is, is a feel

31:13

for how the game should progress. I think that's

31:16

overall and all why I would still take Burrow

31:18

over Justin Herbert. Burrow

31:21

just has a feel for how to get that

31:24

one yard of separation for Chase or whatever that

31:26

will turn a play into a 15, 20 yard game. Or

31:29

six yard game. I totally agree

31:31

and I also the other thing that I

31:34

have felt over these first six weeks,

31:37

for instance when the Bengals were one and three and

31:39

things had looked about as bad as

31:41

they've looked since Burrow has been the starting

31:44

quarterback. He's willing

31:46

to get up there and say this isn't good enough and

31:48

we have to start stacking

31:51

good reps in practice. I don't

31:53

know, he's the type of leader that as

31:56

a fan, again this is all kind of new

31:58

experience as a Bengals fan. You

32:00

just believe in him, right? When, when he

32:03

says like, we're just going to put

32:05

our heads down and work and get better and

32:07

go day by day, it's like, okay, I,

32:09

that makes me feel a little comfortable here. And

32:12

then he comes out against, you know, the Cardinals,

32:14

not the best team in the world, but as a very

32:16

good game, uh, had a really good first half

32:18

against the Seahawks credit to the Seahawks. We

32:20

can get into them. I thought I was very impressed

32:23

with the Seahawks, but they come away with a win and

32:25

they get to three and three. And now they're into their by

32:27

at three and three. I don't

32:29

know. He just is. That's the other thing.

32:32

He just is like a calming influence.

32:34

I feel like over not only like

32:37

the team, I'm sure, but just over the

32:39

fan base in the city, it's truly

32:41

like this. Hey, we, we have Joe.

32:44

We believe in Joe when Joe says

32:46

something like, let's just relax

32:48

and let, let him do his thing. And

32:51

that's a nice place to be quite honestly.

32:54

Yeah. Uh, just hitting

32:56

up a couple of the other injuries, Justin Jefferson,

32:58

the can like, he's going to miss the next four weeks. Uh,

33:02

honestly, other than like, you

33:04

know, it was all excited to see Justin Jefferson,

33:06

maybe chase 2000 yards of receiving. It

33:09

certainly makes me wonder if the Vikings to just pack

33:11

it up. And you know, this is the last year of cousins

33:13

contract, he would be impossible to trade still,

33:15

but you know, I kind of wonder like, what is

33:17

the Vikings like long-term plan if you're

33:19

missing your best player for the

33:21

next four to six weeks? Is he impossible

33:24

to trade? Cause I've heard rumors that like,

33:27

like, like other teams would want him, but he

33:29

doesn't want to be traded cause he's got a young family

33:32

and stuff. He's got a no trade clause

33:34

as well. I think that's the biggest he

33:36

would have to like wave it. He did leave a little

33:38

bit of room. I saw when he was

33:40

asked about it on Friday or so, like,

33:42

would you know, could you ever foresee? And he was like, well right

33:44

now I can't foresee something. But, um,

33:47

you know, I do think if you watch that quarterback

33:50

thing on Amazon, uh, you know, I

33:52

was just kind of impressed about how hard

33:56

like cousins works and how badly he

33:58

wants to be good. It's just a talent. isn't

34:00

quite there. But like, there's a game

34:02

in there where he is just absolutely getting

34:04

killed. And he can barely breathe,

34:07

like his ribs are so beat up. And he's like, groaning

34:10

in pain every time. And this isn't like, you

34:12

know, a fake situation for like

34:14

the Netflix cameras, TC, certain

34:17

golfers, you know, we might will show rename

34:19

names, but he's, yeah, he

34:21

is very much

34:24

like, in the actual

34:26

like feed from the like the helmets like, Oh,

34:29

God, I can breathe. And so it's, it's pretty

34:32

like, oh, like, wow, Kirk, this is a tough dude. Pretty,

34:35

pretty cool there. But I don't know, man, I, I've

34:38

never been like a huge believer. But obviously, he's like

34:40

very competent quarterback, you know,

34:42

Shani obviously thought very highly of him would have

34:44

loved to have him in San Fran if things

34:46

had worked out. So I just don't know,

34:48

like, if you're Atlanta, or you were, you know,

34:51

before Wilson kind of showed some signs of life, like

34:53

the Jets, wouldn't you want to like take

34:55

a gamble on it and then sort

34:57

of, you know, I don't know, move something

34:59

and just see kind of like, maybe, maybe

35:01

this exciting around pick or something that'd be you

35:04

get him for it's salvage your season, you give

35:06

yourself a real shot at at winning. I

35:09

think I'm on the I'm if you

35:11

go back all the way back to the very first football

35:13

trap, trap draw, I'm, I've

35:16

always been on board with with cousins as a very

35:18

competent quarterback, I think he's like, firmly

35:21

in the tier two camp of quarterbacks

35:24

in this league, I think, like, AOC, Aiden

35:26

O'Connell, yeah,

35:30

comment

35:32

for you. He's, I

35:34

think he's very, very competent. I think,

35:37

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that

35:39

he he told you, he's kind of bad

35:42

interceptions and big games and kind of seemingly

35:44

has a hard time getting over the hump and big, quote

35:47

unquote, big games. But

35:50

I think a lot of that is playing on pretty

35:52

mediocre teams in Minnesota and kind

35:54

of a lot of it is elevating the

35:56

level of the offenses and, and

36:00

know, just doing what he's what he's asked to do. I

36:02

think he can get the ball all over the field. He's

36:05

a quick processor. He's kind

36:07

of one of those guys. It's not very flashy in the

36:09

pot. He's not he's mobile enough in

36:11

the pockets, move around and do it. But yeah,

36:13

I think, you know, if we want to get into a larger quarterback

36:16

conversation that goes back to these

36:18

Ruiz ranking, if you spring your quarterback

36:20

ranking areas, there's

36:22

the room, I'm ready to get ready to get into

36:24

that because it all ties together.

36:27

This is this whole thing. Okay.

36:30

So Shani and his in his pressure, they

36:33

asked him what we know what makes Brock,

36:35

you know, a good quarterback and his whole

36:37

thing was like,

36:38

he is able to identify where

36:41

the ball needs to go extremely quickly and

36:43

deliver with anticipation. This

36:45

is anticipatory throwing is what

36:48

quarterbacking is really all about, especially

36:50

in that offense, right? A

36:52

lot of these quarterbacks like Herbert Mahomes,

36:55

Josh Allen, they play out of structure, they

36:57

break the pocket and they're able to make up for

37:00

all that with arm strength, they can just rip

37:02

the ball down the field into tight windows. They

37:04

don't have to throw with the same anticipation as

37:07

guys with lesser arm strength.

37:10

So it's not as impressive a watch when you

37:12

watch a guy just kind of dissect the defense with

37:15

by just layering balls of the second second

37:17

level of the football field. If

37:20

Mahomes dances in the pocket, breaks

37:22

the tackle and then just rips one like 35 yards

37:25

to the sideline. Obviously, that's a talent that

37:27

those other some guys don't have, but

37:29

it's not playing within the system. It's not that's

37:31

not operating the offense. And so where

37:33

I get really pissed off is that the

37:36

guys like Steven Ruiz, they over

37:39

qualify, they over qualify arm

37:43

strength, and they under qualify,

37:45

like operating the offense. It's like,

37:48

oh, it's just operating the offense. That's all he's

37:50

doing. It's just, it's like, well, yeah, but that's hard

37:52

to do. Yeah. But

37:54

you have to dissect the defenses

37:56

aren't just running out the same team over

37:58

and over again. It's like everything. They're trying

38:01

to trick you. They're trying to, they're throwing all kinds of weird

38:03

looks at you. They're blitzing

38:05

you, they're pressuring you, they're doing everything they can to like

38:07

throw you off. He's still getting

38:10

to the correct read. He's still hitting the throws. But

38:12

so that's what, to me, that's what Burrow

38:14

is. Like, Burrow has better

38:17

than average arm strength. And

38:19

that elite, elite processing,

38:22

elite accuracy gets the ball all

38:24

over the field to where it needs to go. And it's

38:26

not about playing on the structure and then ripping

38:29

the ball 35 yards on the field on the road. And

38:31

that's what pisses me off. Herbert is

38:33

not better than Joe Burrow at quarterback.

38:36

And also the attitude,

38:38

the leadership, that all matters when

38:41

you play football. You need a guy that's a leader.

38:43

That's why. These guys just look, they look

38:45

at the stats, they look at these like,

38:47

these metrics and they tell

38:50

the story to kind of like, they

38:52

engineer the story to fit their, what they want

38:54

to believe. I just can't believe in some of

38:56

the rankings that he's got like, All

38:59

right. We got a whole, we got a whole Brock

39:02

Ruiz thing coming later in the episode. Pusch

39:06

already stepped on my, clearly didn't read the agenda

39:08

because I have a whole section about Brock

39:11

that we're going to weigh in on. We

39:13

do have a lot of things. I'm heated.

39:15

I'm heated. On Monday

39:17

night, we got Monday night Herbert versus Dak.

39:20

And also you guys, you want to watch

39:22

some more Zach Wilson. You're in luck because

39:24

two out of the next three weeks, they're in prime

39:26

time on Sunday. Oh baby.

39:29

The other last thing is just newsmakers. I had in the agenda,

39:32

you know, Mr. Pfizer dating, dating

39:34

the biggest pop star in the world, Taylor Swift.

39:37

Good for the NFL. Like there's

39:39

been seems to be like some controversy about how this

39:41

is like annoying that the NFL is like capitalizing

39:43

on this. You know, I see people in my tweets and my

39:46

ex thread all the time, bitching

39:48

about stop showing me Taylor Swift. I, you

39:51

know, actually like fun to talk to my girls

39:53

about like Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelsey

39:55

and like being, you know, at these games. I wish

39:58

we could subject her some better games. and the

40:00

Bears and the awful

40:03

sort of schedule that the Chiefs have had.

40:05

But I don't know, I think it was kind of

40:07

fun. Any quick thoughts there on Ms.

40:10

Swift's appearances? I'm

40:13

just so tired of the Bills and

40:15

the Chiefs. It's like

40:18

the same five teams that we see in

40:20

prime time every single week

40:22

and on the national games and all that. I'm

40:24

tired of seeing Brittany Mahomes. It's bad,

40:27

man. It's bad. Brittany, get your house

40:29

in order over there. She's become

40:31

quite good buds with Taylor Swift, it seems like, TC. So

40:34

you might have to put out a

40:36

thought wall on Mrs. Swift for platforming

40:39

the Mahomes family. Bad.

40:43

Sorry to interrupt. No, I addressed

40:45

it a little bit on our chop session. I just feel

40:47

a little bit betrayed by Taylor. I think

40:49

in good faith, I went to

40:52

the concert. I

40:54

went to the concert. I jumped

40:58

all in to the Taylor Swift experience

41:00

and I feel like she's repaid me by dating

41:04

Travis Kelsey. It's

41:06

tough. I think large

41:09

perspective though, it

41:11

reminds me a bit of some of the stuff we talk about

41:14

around golf where the

41:16

networks, the broadcast partners, just

41:19

the machinery of the league

41:22

is, I don't

41:24

blame them for trying to attract maybe

41:27

not hardcore football fans, not

41:29

really football fans at all. It's

41:32

a great opportunity to get a lot of eyes. Shit,

41:35

the Chiefs Jets game was the most watched

41:37

game, I feel like, certainly because they were getting

41:40

a lot of Swifties tuning in. So

41:42

I don't blame them, but it is annoying as

41:45

folks that follow the game and follow,

41:47

I don't need to be, this doesn't need

41:49

to be shoved down my throat, but I

41:52

don't know how you would

41:54

do it any differently, I guess. It

41:56

seems like that's a tradition. Do you

41:58

have any thoughts? I mean,

42:01

this is a league that's run by like 78 year

42:03

old billionaire men

42:05

that's like, ooh,

42:07

I got Taylor Swift here, let's get her. And

42:11

it's like, it just feels

42:13

so thirsty every time she's on, she's

42:15

there, it's like this, it's become this thing.

42:18

And I get it, it's like, she's the

42:21

biggest pop star in the world. So they're

42:23

doing anything they can to attract

42:26

attention to these games and probably

42:28

make money for their sponsors and for the people that

42:30

are paying for the ads and all that

42:32

stuff. But yeah, I mean, it doesn't

42:35

really bother me, I don't really care because

42:37

I don't really care that much either way. But I

42:40

do think it's funny that it does trigger some

42:42

people. I think it triggers a lot of the kind of like, keep

42:45

your politics out of my sports

42:47

like people and people

42:49

that are offended by like Mr. Pfizer

42:52

and a pop star that definitely leads

42:55

to the love. I'm just tired

42:57

of watching like Sky more and like

43:00

Sky more is terrible. Kaderious Toni

43:02

is more like

43:06

these guys, like it's not like,

43:08

you know, and yeah, like I guess,

43:11

I guess where I'm at, KVV is like your,

43:13

your Dion branch and, you

43:16

know, kind of those, those like mid, you

43:18

know, Troy Brown, those mid 2000 Patriots team where

43:22

everybody's just fungible, interchangeable

43:25

because the schemes, what matters, right? Yeah,

43:27

they're just a bunch of jags. Needs to get some

43:29

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make any vegetables as a kid and he just has never

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eaten a single vegetable ever. I

45:18

mean... I don't know where I'm siren. Yeah.

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You gotta worry about his colon, man. Sorry

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to get that. That might be a little too deep, but...

45:26

I mean, it's one of those carnivore diets that I'm always

45:29

hearing about on the... How

45:31

do you make sure that you don't

45:34

like die on the road? How

45:37

do you make sure that you eat healthy? Well,

45:41

you have to like... We

45:43

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usually if there's catering, there's a salad

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can't go number two on a bus that's a you

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know, unless you're like a rock star. Yeah,

46:09

rock star you want it or you want to put a bag inside

46:11

the toilet and do that whole deal. I

46:13

don't know anything about that.

46:15

Call the glory bag, we'll leave

46:17

that for another episode. But

46:19

true rock star life secrets are being revealed

46:22

here. Oh, there's we could go

46:24

deep into that. But I think that's the wrong episode. But it's,

46:28

at least a piece apparently has some other

46:31

man obviously. That

46:33

was about the bag situation. Man,

46:35

Taylor definitely doing it on her, her, her

46:38

decimal Falcon.

46:41

Yeah. You

46:44

can pull it for the Dave Matthews. Yeah,

46:48

no, you just gotta, you just gotta make sure you get fiber.

46:50

I mean, try to get one at least one salad in

46:52

a day. I think that's like a good, a

46:54

good tip. You know, if you're gonna get a stop, if you're gonna

46:57

eat a sandwich or like a burger or whatever, just

46:59

make sure you have a salad so that you're getting

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something to keep things loose,

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so to speak.

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I'm not afraid to take free

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stuff from you guys. I would like

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to offer a mea culpa to anyone who was

47:28

turned off by that section and give it to our

47:31

own mea culpa section.

47:34

Guys, any mea culpas that you want

47:36

to get ahead of an issue here, it's

47:39

some of your takes or some of the things that

47:41

you might have surprised. Let

47:43

me set the stage for Mr. Poosh. Mr.

47:45

Poosh gave a private mea

47:47

culpa to our text thread a couple

47:50

weeks ago. Apologizing for

47:52

Justin Fields. Mr. Poosh, please walk us

47:54

through that. Yes, you cannot make

47:56

that face. You absolutely

47:58

did apologize for him. Who did

48:01

I look before did I say I might I

48:03

thought I said I might be ready to apologize

48:05

field Wow Which

48:07

is almost even worse You're

48:10

not putting that language there in deposition

48:12

Listen, I I had a moment of we had a moment

48:15

of weakness because I I did

48:17

I said listen We need to give him the year

48:19

we need to give him the year. Let it let's

48:21

just see how it plays out Let's just see what happens

48:24

with the team and he broke

48:26

me He broke me a little bit on that that in

48:28

that game where he threw like Devastating

48:31

picks at the end of the game or the pick

48:33

at the end the end of the fumble just an awful

48:36

Performance nothing. I could really say to defend

48:38

it That was at the point where kvb

48:40

was starting to give me a little bit of pressure to use starting

48:43

to bail the ship Taking

48:46

on the water and then since then of course

48:48

he has two games where he looks very competent

48:50

and starts throwing the ball Well wins the game The

48:54

most important ability Yeah,

48:57

I think he's in just like Jimmy G

48:59

He's just one of those guys that's gonna get broken a

49:02

lot and it's just the way that he plays and you

49:05

know I don't know if I'm ready necessarily ready

49:07

to apologize I still think it's a lot of it comes

49:09

down to that same Zach Wilson, you

49:12

know thing that I said earlier which is he's

49:14

in a really really shitty franchise

49:17

in a really bad situation and

49:19

I Don't necessarily think

49:21

that in the right if you were in a better situation He

49:24

would be a better player. We have a different,

49:26

you know, look at him. I think if he gets the

49:29

Lamar treatment I mean given Lamar was

49:31

in a was in Petrina's offense in the

49:33

West Coast system. That was a little bit more

49:35

pro style So he was

49:37

a little bit more ready to go and he came into the NFL

49:40

I think you know if you end up in something

49:42

with a little bit better protection a better o-line

49:44

better scheme It might be

49:46

just a different situation, but it's hard

49:48

to it's hard to really it's drowned

49:51

look what Stroud's doing He's

49:55

standing the same Ohio State

49:57

all you know offense and all that right

50:00

He's a different player. I mean, he's a totally different

50:02

player than you. Yeah, he's a lot better. Good. Yeah,

50:04

he's good. He's like a real quarterback. Yeah.

50:07

Yeah, he's a pocket passer, which is what

50:09

I've said from the beginning, which was the offense,

50:11

it has to be more like what they're running in Miami. It

50:13

has to be RPO. It has to be like, I can't do it. Anthony

50:16

Richardson, it has to be these RPO

50:18

either carry it or just one

50:21

read kind of deal. It's what two is doing right

50:23

now. It's what Anthony Richardson was doing

50:25

before he got broken, which is another similar

50:28

type of situation. And it

50:30

can't be West Coast. It can't

50:32

be Fanny. It can't be you have

50:34

to diagnose things really fast and

50:36

then hit a time throw over the middle. That's not Justin

50:39

Fields. It's not going to happen. I just feel like we're

50:41

going to get to the end of this year and Ever

50:44

Flus is going to get fired. And then

50:46

you guys are going to be like, oh, you know what? Like

50:49

we got to give him another year because we'll see

50:51

what happens with proper coaching and

50:54

all that. Like it's like, how is it any different

50:56

for Burrow to get drafted by the

50:59

Bengals? And everybody could easily

51:01

call them one of the shittier franchises

51:03

in the league. And then he

51:05

figures out a way to succeed. Sometimes you got to rise

51:08

above your circumstances and

51:11

make the coaching irrelevant almost.

51:14

And flash enough to where, you know what? This

51:16

coach sucks, but I believe in this guy. I

51:19

will say as someone who is riding

51:21

with Poosh at the beginning of season, I thought that

51:23

Fields was going to be better. I was pretty

51:26

full of despair after that Packers game. That

51:30

was as bad as I think he's ever looked, just

51:33

with all the anticipation of coming into this season.

51:36

Like, oh, he's going to figure it out. There's so much hype, so

51:38

much just embarrassingly bad

51:40

copy written about how he'd made

51:42

all this progress. And he just looked horrendous

51:45

the first couple of games. I

51:48

did watch. I was on a golf trip

51:50

in Forest Dunes where me and a bunch of boys

51:52

sat down and watched that Commander's game. I know the Commanders

51:54

aren't like anything particularly great. But it was like when

51:56

he finally got the ball out to some playmakers,

51:59

I was like, oh. this is the dude who we

52:01

push and I thought that he could be right.

52:04

This is the guy who isn't looking to

52:06

run every single time. It's just been a already

52:08

it's been a really weird season with so many different

52:11

ups and downs, including the embarrassingly

52:13

like bad thing or he threw the coaches

52:15

under the bus and was like, I wasn't throwing the coaches under the bus.

52:17

Like I had to clarify this like a young

52:20

quarterback has to know that if you

52:22

sit here, even if it's true, and I think

52:24

it probably is true that coaches are filling with

52:26

too many thoughts, but like Zach Wilson did

52:28

a similar thing where he was like, you know, I don't, I don't

52:30

have to take any more blame for this. Like as a quarterback, your

52:32

words matter. They get parsed. Like

52:35

you're the chairman of the fed, man. That you cannot

52:37

sit there and say, yeah, the

52:40

coaching is probably what's fucking me up. Like, you

52:42

know, I just got to be myself. Oh, that was like a three

52:44

alarm fire day in Chicago. It was like crazy.

52:47

So I think that like, if, if he's still making

52:49

those kinds of mistakes, which is

52:51

all part of the total like

52:54

package of playing quarterback in the NFL, it's

52:56

not a great sign for like his maturity.

52:59

And I think push you right. It's a terrible

53:01

organization. I used to think the only difference

53:03

between them and like the Cardinals is they're not like under

53:05

federal indictment for various nonsense. And then the whole

53:08

thing with the defensive coordinator came down

53:10

and all those rumors of the FBI was like rating the facility.

53:12

Like this is truly a dark journey. No,

53:15

I, what are the rumors of the whispers? I

53:17

can't, I can't find anything out. I, I,

53:20

who knows? I mean, I wouldn't be hesitant to throw

53:22

out any of the rumors because there's so many like verified

53:24

checkmark dipshits on X who are like

53:27

just tweeting things are just blatantly untrue and

53:29

like peanut Tillman is having to come in and like correct

53:32

the record. Uh, that was a truly

53:34

weird, weird fucking day for both journalism

53:36

and for a Bears fan, I don't know,

53:39

man, like it's I I'm now

53:41

like, he's got this dislocated thumb that

53:43

he apparently popped back into place. You

53:45

know, is he going to be able to play, you know, in

53:47

the sort of weeks to come? Is it, we just

53:49

going to reset the whole thing? Like, Oh, well he was injured.

53:52

So you got to give him another, you know, I don't

53:54

know, man. It's you're not going to like, you

53:56

don't can't sign them to an extension. So

53:58

then what is he playing? You know next year under his fifth

54:01

year without a contract. It's just a mess I

54:03

think that I think that honestly they have picks

54:06

It's like I think the best thing you can do is

54:08

or they don't have it Do they not have the first one pick that

54:10

they have to do if two different

54:13

answers and their own? That's

54:15

right. That's right. So They

54:18

wait they have the Panthers pick. I

54:20

thought it went the other way Young

54:22

thing they had the number one pick So

54:26

the best thing they could do is cut

54:28

bait and and go and get Caleb

54:30

they don't get they'll get somebody else I mean

54:32

like stink though Yeah, yeah

54:35

And that would be even more fitting and that would be and

54:37

that would actually justify our my field

54:40

stake and that'd be awesome Because then everyone

54:42

would be like Caleb Williams is the greatest quarterback of all

54:44

time Then he goes to the Bears and he stinks and it's like

54:46

wait a second and then field to go somewhere else and maybe

54:48

he has He flashes maybe

54:51

and then I'm coming back and just dancing on you and

54:53

Randy's grave So like a year really

54:55

greatest thing ever All

54:57

right about the

55:00

the the Bears just Kevin

55:02

Warren and the new Big Ten

55:04

commissioner coming Like

55:06

the Bears are what if they

55:08

are such a disgrace? It's off

55:11

bad They need to

55:13

be next up on one of the lists of our

55:15

owners thing TC. I know we got Yeah,

55:19

I know we got a couple good ones coming up I think you

55:22

and me and Neil are recording the next one next week But

55:24

the Bears are high on the list for all those Bears fans

55:26

out there There are wishing

55:29

bad things upon the McCasky's like we'll get

55:31

to you eventually We'll unpack the

55:33

the mess that it is I felt push

55:35

and a day sorry and a day you

55:38

you throw out you you might be ready

55:40

to apologize Like what does that mean? Are you

55:42

apologizing or are you not like

55:44

I'm still not sure I'm

55:47

not I'm not ready yet Okay

55:54

I'm waiting. I'm gonna wait till the end of the year and I'm

55:56

just gonna do that and regardless

55:59

of what happened the next week or the week after that,

56:01

I'm going to be stronger. I'm going to be a better man

56:04

and I'm going to let it get to the end of at least,

56:06

at least to the end of the season. And then listen,

56:09

if it's, if it's, if it's bad,

56:12

it stinks, it's rotting and

56:14

it needs to be thrown out, then I'll

56:16

come on here and apologize, but I'm going to give

56:19

it the time and let it play out the

56:21

way that I said before this year. I

56:23

know you're a big chase. Thank you guys too. I

56:26

hate it. That's your boy. That's

56:28

your boy. That's my boy. Yeah.

56:31

Yeah. Yeah. That's boy now. Well,

56:33

that's true. Did you see his professor? They're like,

56:36

he's like, you want me to say it right. He's fast.

56:38

It's cool. Pretty

56:42

good. He's just obviously drafting guys that are super

56:44

fast. If I worked for the bears,

56:46

I might, I might quiet quit too. So, uh,

56:49

all right. I,

56:52

I'm going to put my hand up here. Uh, I

56:54

think I was pretty dismissive of

56:56

Tua in our initial, uh,

56:59

thing. I did not think that he could

57:01

stay healthy. He looks really good.

57:03

You know, I don't care if it's, you

57:05

know, people say, Oh, well, it's a system man.

57:08

Like if, if it's a system and

57:10

anybody could do it, then everybody should be running these systems

57:12

because he looks really, really

57:15

good in distributing the ball and like creating

57:17

confusion for defenses. Uh,

57:20

you know, word on it. We'll see. I'll

57:22

still see jury still out on whether he can

57:24

stay healthy. If he gets his head slammed

57:26

into the turf once or whatever. Um, but

57:29

he doesn't look, it doesn't really matter that he would look nevish,

57:32

uh, in his past life. Uh, he looks pretty

57:34

freaking good right now. So I'm going to throw up

57:36

a, an apology for my two. It takes I

57:40

Kevin, I bit downgraded him as

57:42

well. I've been very anti

57:44

to, uh, um, looks

57:46

good, right. It looks really

57:49

good this year. I still think it could

57:51

be all sizzle. No steak. I mean, you look

57:53

at their, their, their schedule.

57:56

Who have they played? They've they've

57:58

beaten up on. the Panthers Broncos.

58:03

Yeah. The Patriots,

58:06

they crushed the Broncos. They beat the Giants.

58:08

They beat the Panthers at home. The

58:11

one big road test at

58:13

the bills, they get pounded. I'm just

58:15

not ready to buy it yet. That's where

58:18

I get back to. I got to see the

58:20

dolphins win a

58:22

physical football game on the road somewhere. I think

58:24

some of that is more about the defense. I

58:27

still have a lot of questions about the system

58:30

when the weather gets not optimal.

58:33

I think more of the concerns are about the defense

58:35

though, right? For sure. Physical.

58:37

They got a ton of money tied up in certain guys.

58:40

Yeah. I, you know, like,

58:42

listen, I'm on the record. I think I started

58:44

the year by apologizing to Tua and

58:47

saying I'm on the train. I'm glad

58:49

to be on the train. I will continue to be on the train.

58:52

I think I started with Randy and saying

58:54

that I still think that it's a little bit, I

58:57

do think it's like, if you're going to, if you're going to say

59:00

rock, pretty as a system is a product of

59:02

the system, then you have to say the same thing about two of

59:04

these. How many other offenses in

59:06

the league have Jalen, Jalen waddle,

59:08

Tyree, you know, H-Hann and most

59:10

are with this kind of that kind of speed on offense.

59:13

He's running. He's running RPO. He's

59:16

running one, a run, read deal. It's

59:18

not,

59:19

you know,

59:20

he's getting protected better. I will say, I think

59:22

that's, I think that's a better, you know, despite

59:24

the fact that he arm set has been injured.

59:26

He's

59:27

playing better and it's, he's playing within

59:30

the confines of the offense. He's got a good arm.

59:32

He's accurate, downfield thrower. He's

59:34

getting the ball to the playmakers. So you got to give him credit

59:36

for that. I still, I definitely still worry

59:38

that if he takes a hit, it's going to be an

59:41

issue.

59:42

And he does have the, the,

59:45

that, that random pick in him where

59:47

he'll just throw,

59:48

throw like a really bad ball now and again. I

59:52

definitely think he's better than what I thought he was,

59:54

but I still have some questions. Sort

59:57

of a Chris Paul situation, just get a distributing

59:59

bit, right?

59:59

can you really count on it when it matters? So, you know, kind

1:00:02

of deal. You know what?

1:00:04

I'll get out ahead of one.

1:00:06

I did the ritter one.

1:00:08

Apologize for that. I

1:00:11

will apologize for saying that Calvin

1:00:14

Ridley was gonna just take over the league. I

1:00:16

was maybe a little bit ahead of the

1:00:19

things there. I still think he's gonna have a good season.

1:00:23

Is he flashing? What's going on down there with the

1:00:25

Jags? I, you know, I look at

1:00:27

the state of the court. The offensive line's

1:00:30

not good. They got Cam

1:00:32

Robinson back from his PED suspension.

1:00:35

Now,

1:00:37

I think we're on the upswing down

1:00:39

here. ETN had some direct snaps

1:00:41

yesterday. Pass rush is

1:00:43

coming alive a little bit. I think they're,

1:00:45

you know, obviously the division's horrible.

1:00:48

The Titans are a disaster.

1:00:53

You know, so we'll see what happens. I

1:00:57

would like to hear some apologies. I

1:01:00

was pro Richardson.

1:01:02

And I think

1:01:04

that he's flashed pretty hard.

1:01:06

And. Wow. I don't know

1:01:08

that I would go that far, but he's made some

1:01:10

of the sort of the plays that you're

1:01:12

talking about. You're like the most important ability. Yeah.

1:01:15

Yeah. That's true. I mean, from

1:01:17

the most important ability guy, I think you

1:01:19

need to take some responsibility for that. He's

1:01:21

played like a one and a half game so far,

1:01:23

dude. I listen,

1:01:26

I might demand an apology for you for, for

1:01:28

you were, you were coming at me saying that I hated the Colts

1:01:30

because, you know, for unfair reasons

1:01:32

when I was like, they can't develop players. You just get

1:01:35

them hurt. But what if this is Lux, luck

1:01:37

Redux, they just going to get him shit

1:01:39

beat out of him. And he's going to be his kidneys are going to be

1:01:41

torn to shreds and they just, you

1:01:44

know, I I'm not sure I'm ready

1:01:46

to give up an apology on the Richardson situation.

1:01:50

Okay. All right. We will continue to monitor

1:01:52

that one. I spent

1:01:54

who Koo dollars on him in fantasy TC.

1:01:57

You know, I'm now yeah. dollars

1:02:00

on registered. Who's do you

1:02:02

want to apologize for your Cowboys? They're

1:02:05

absolutely fraud. Yeah,

1:02:07

I do want to apologize for the Cowboys, but

1:02:10

even though, I mean, I've been, you

1:02:13

know, everyone knows I actually hate the Cowboys and I've been saying,

1:02:16

saying that my carpe is a fraud for a long time.

1:02:18

They're running, they're running the West coast

1:02:20

offense from like 1997.

1:02:23

It's

1:02:24

awful to watch. I think Dan

1:02:26

Quinn is a fluffer always has

1:02:29

been. Um, this is

1:02:32

a front running team that all

1:02:34

they do is they jump on you. They try to jump on

1:02:36

you with athleticism on defense in the very beginning

1:02:38

of the game, they relied on bones fossil.

1:02:40

Who's actually probably the best coach on the entire

1:02:43

staff to make plays

1:02:45

on special teams, blocking, field goals,

1:02:47

things of that nature. And then getting,

1:02:49

you know, obviously the losing digs was a bit, was,

1:02:52

was a big loss cause I think he's Joe

1:02:54

Moore is a little bit past his prime, but

1:02:56

it's a front running team.

1:02:59

It's like they're built to front run and they're built

1:03:01

to ball control and try to take the ball

1:03:03

out of Dak's hands, but it's like, you're not going

1:03:05

to win playoff games, you

1:03:08

know, that way you have to,

1:03:10

you have to be able to, to push the ball. You

1:03:12

have to be able to score. You have to have explosives.

1:03:14

They have no explosives in the

1:03:16

office. It's a Ryder cup team shot. They might

1:03:19

be the Ryder cup team. Push. Uh,

1:03:25

I, I was a big Mike Meharthy

1:03:27

skeptic. I thought I said, I think he said he was going to be

1:03:29

the first coach fired. So, uh, I,

1:03:31

I've stand firm on that take, uh,

1:03:34

the very good chance they could be like five and five,

1:03:37

uh, I think that when they embarrassed

1:03:39

the giants, everyone thought like, Oh my goodness,

1:03:42

like the Cowboys are awesome. And really

1:03:44

what we should have been saying is the giants are fucking terrible,

1:03:47

uh, and Jones is terrible. So, uh,

1:03:50

can we, can we talk about the giants?

1:03:52

Cause I know you're a big, big dabble,

1:03:55

uh, proponent. Like what's, what's,

1:03:58

what's going on there? How, why? they gotten

1:04:00

so bad so fast. They're not

1:04:02

great either. I mean, you know

1:04:04

what? The, the, the

1:04:07

Barkley injury, like obviously made

1:04:09

them worse,

1:04:12

but that didn't, it's not like it started out like with him

1:04:14

getting injured in the first game, I just, I

1:04:17

don't know. I mean, it just, I think

1:04:19

when your quarterback isn't that

1:04:21

smart and I think that's kind of what,

1:04:24

how I would sort of look at Jones, like not a processor

1:04:27

in terms of like finding second, third

1:04:29

reads and your coach can only kind of

1:04:31

do so much. There's a lot more tape now on Jones in

1:04:33

terms of like what he was good at last year.

1:04:37

I that's gotta be part of it. I mean, that woulda,

1:04:39

I don't know, like there was times

1:04:41

last night I was watching. I think I watched the first half

1:04:44

where Taylor looked like decent.

1:04:46

I was like, Oh, this will, this may work out for them. Like

1:04:49

the dab will get Travis Taylor coached

1:04:51

up and they'll be fine. And it's just, I

1:04:53

don't know. It's just, it was awful. I

1:04:56

think it's in the end, the first half was embarrassing. So

1:04:59

bad. I think last year they, they

1:05:02

were a team that both massively

1:05:04

overperformed. And every time I watched them last year,

1:05:06

I didn't really understand how they

1:05:09

were winning games. I think it

1:05:11

was, they played really, really solid defense.

1:05:13

They were the cycle teams and

1:05:15

then they would just kind of win these, these

1:05:17

ugly games, like 17 to 14

1:05:20

or something like that. You know, it wasn't like they were

1:05:23

blowing teams out with offense. And I think that's kind

1:05:25

of been exposed this year where the

1:05:27

defense hasn't quite been on that same level

1:05:29

and, and that, that offensive,

1:05:32

the way that they were winning their offense last year just not wasn't

1:05:34

sustainable two years in a row. So I'm

1:05:37

an explosive offense. It's like, it's

1:05:39

kind of like what Dallas is doing, which is like, we just

1:05:41

need to like mosey the ball down the field and punch

1:05:43

it in and try to win these low score and affairs.

1:05:46

That's kind of where I'm getting with the bills. Like

1:05:49

I think the bills are like low key, not very

1:05:51

good. I think Alan covers up

1:05:53

so many of their flaws. And when he

1:05:55

has like a schizophrenic game, like he, they're

1:05:57

totally crappy. Like I would not

1:05:59

ever. want to rely on Josh

1:06:02

Allen to play consistently

1:06:05

great for a playoff run because

1:06:07

he'll play great in three of those games,

1:06:09

but I don't think he's going to play great in four straight.

1:06:13

They're undoing. If he doesn't play great, they suck. They cannot

1:06:15

overcome a bad Allen game. Is

1:06:20

there any more mayo couples? I

1:06:23

have the Lions here listed, but I

1:06:25

think we all thought the Lions were going to be

1:06:27

a little bit better. I was just sort

1:06:29

of like very pro golf last year, so I'm happy

1:06:32

to see him continue to shine

1:06:34

as like a legitimately decent quarterback.

1:06:37

Obviously, pretty good coach up there.

1:06:40

The Packers look crap. The Packers

1:06:42

are not particularly,

1:06:45

you know, I mean,

1:06:45

when they beat up on the Bears, I

1:06:48

was like, Oh, you know, this is going to be like, this is going

1:06:50

to be a great rebound year. But

1:06:52

Jordan Love in the first half,

1:06:54

I saw something like he's the worst rated quarterback in all

1:06:56

football in the first half of games. And then he's

1:06:58

like really good in the second half, but it's like, Whoa,

1:07:00

like how are you not better preparing your

1:07:02

guy to sort of, you know, figure some things out in the first

1:07:04

half of games? I don't know.

1:07:07

I don't think the Packers. I'm

1:07:11

totally out. I think Jordan Love, I've

1:07:13

watched that Lions game, not impressed.

1:07:16

And how many years has he been in the league now? I don't

1:07:19

like good on the

1:07:22

floor. Yeah. Yeah. I think

1:07:24

we might all need to have a little

1:07:26

mea culpa about for

1:07:29

the Cardinals. I think Pew Pew, Pew Pew

1:07:31

guy needs a little bit more credit. They've

1:07:33

been frisky. They've

1:07:36

been in every game they've played, you

1:07:38

know, they have been, they haven't laid down and

1:07:41

they pushed the Niners. They should have

1:07:43

won. They should honestly won their first few games

1:07:46

with the Giants coming back from what was it like 20,

1:07:50

20, like zero or 29, eight, three or whatever

1:07:52

it was, but they should have,

1:07:54

they should have won their first two games. They should have been three

1:07:57

and Oh, and then they, you know, they put up on the, whoop,

1:07:59

the Cowboys out. It wasn't even that

1:08:01

close to game. They really outplayed them. Maybe

1:08:04

we need to give Gannon a little bit of credit. The

1:08:06

offensive coordinator there is really good too. They're

1:08:09

also 1-5. Right,

1:08:11

but I mean, frisky 1-5. What

1:08:14

does Kyler do back? We

1:08:17

talked a lot about Kyler in the opener

1:08:20

here. I'm sort of curious if

1:08:23

there's a chance that they're going to

1:08:27

want to throw him in the mix. I think we all thought

1:08:29

they were sort of quiet quitting. It

1:08:32

turns out they're competing hard.

1:08:35

Is there a chance that they put him in there even

1:08:37

though the contract situation is a mess, he'd get hurt all over

1:08:39

again? I

1:08:41

don't know. Does

1:08:42

he make them better? I ask that

1:08:44

as a question. I'm not sure how much

1:08:46

better Kyler even makes them at this

1:08:48

point. Yeah,

1:08:51

or nor why would you want to get better.

1:08:55

I would call it a bottom out so hard because obviously they

1:08:57

have the Texans picked, but that's not going to be

1:08:59

a top five pick like they

1:09:01

thought it was going to be. Then they've

1:09:03

got their own pick. It's crazy. Four

1:09:06

of the top 10 picks could be controlled by

1:09:08

two teams. Yeah, that is wild. Why

1:09:12

don't you deal Kyler, get him out of there, and then drop

1:09:14

the QB and drop the wide receiver.

1:09:19

You have all these first-round picks. Drop

1:09:21

the wide out, drop the top-out. I

1:09:24

don't know. I see that Dan Graziano

1:09:26

of ESPN, who's got a pretty good pulse and

1:09:28

talking to GM stuff, says that Kyler

1:09:31

is definitely a trade candidate. It's

1:09:34

possible that there's going to be a market for

1:09:36

him. The

1:09:39

cap hit isn't so severe that it would

1:09:41

sort of fuck them, but it

1:09:44

most likely is that they're not

1:09:46

going to do it, but still that some teams

1:09:48

will be interested. How

1:09:51

about ACL? Straight

1:09:54

up, drafting

1:09:57

Malik Willis, then drafting

1:09:59

Levitt. this year, then Levis hasn't even

1:10:01

made the active roster for any of the games.

1:10:04

Yeah, that was tough. It's like I don't

1:10:06

think the Titans get enough shit for just being

1:10:09

exceptionally

1:10:10

poorly run. Grading AJ

1:10:13

Brown? Well, that did

1:10:15

get their GM tired, so obviously they didn't get, essentially,

1:10:18

a great replacement.

1:10:20

I don't even know who I offhand. I couldn't tell you who is

1:10:23

the GM of the Titans without Googling it. Seems

1:10:26

like it's kind of Vrabel calling the shots. He

1:10:28

just seems to be coalescing power. Would you? I'm

1:10:31

not a Vrabel guy. Vrabel,

1:10:33

obviously, is a good candidate to take

1:10:35

over in New England when Bill finally

1:10:38

hangs it up. If

1:10:42

you're a franchise, Vrabel's clearly

1:10:45

got an established ceiling.

1:10:47

You're not going to win a Super Bowl with

1:10:50

Mike Vrabel, unless everything kind of breaks your

1:10:52

way. I just don't know that that kind of football is

1:10:54

going to win you a Super Bowl. As much as we talk about, can

1:10:56

the Dolphins win a tough road

1:10:59

game? One of the Titans has shown

1:11:01

that they could beat anybody in the playoffs other than the Ravens

1:11:03

of one year. It just doesn't seem to me like...

1:11:05

No, because their personnel isn't. Yeah,

1:11:08

if Vrabel's going to have a hand in building the

1:11:10

roster, he's never going to win a Super Bowl.

1:11:12

Because I feel like that roster

1:11:15

has just always had big

1:11:17

holes, primarily offensively. So,

1:11:19

Rod Mayo, he's going to take

1:11:22

over

1:11:23

in New England, right?

1:11:25

I would think

1:11:27

it would probably depend on... I don't know that that's naturally

1:11:29

the succession plan, but maybe

1:11:32

you've read something that I haven't. I

1:11:34

do think... I want to talk about Belichick in a second,

1:11:36

it's a whole segment here, but I think whether

1:11:39

Bill wants to stick it out, and

1:11:43

whether Kraft is going to let him flounder

1:11:46

for... If they suck

1:11:48

the rest of the year, does Bill just automatically

1:11:51

like, hey, you're welcome to just keep coming back? You've

1:11:53

got so much capital built up. I

1:11:55

don't know. We'll get him dressed in a second. But it's impossible

1:11:58

to see into the future, but you can see into the... distance

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I'm wondering if you could kind of maybe tell us

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I think Ohio State

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and

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Tennessee should trade coaches.

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I think Ryan Day should go

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be the coach in Tennessee

1:13:52

and I think or

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or Heartline can take over. One

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of them should should go be the coach at.

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Ohio State. I actually like that for what

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we can do with. Yeah. What is

1:14:04

what happens to Hypell?

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No, Tennessee Titans, not

1:14:09

Tennessee. Oh,

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I see. Imagine

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Reebl versus Harbaugh. That'd

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be incredible. Incredible theater. They

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currently Ohio State lacks the most fundamental

1:14:22

thing of toughness. And like Ryan

1:14:24

Day would probably be able to put together a decent

1:14:27

offense, at least in the NFL, which is the boring.

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You wouldn't be bored to death as a Titans fan. I love it. TC.

1:14:32

It's a great suggestion. Thank you. All

1:14:35

right. Listen, we've, we've

1:14:38

come to the segment that I think is

1:14:41

driven a lot of the conversation amongst

1:14:44

our tech thread. Also, I'm going to actually

1:14:46

put this to big first. Big. I

1:14:48

know the other two gentlemen in this thread,

1:14:51

how they feel about Brock Purdy, but I haven't really heard

1:14:53

a ton about how you feel about Brock before

1:14:55

Mr. push kind of dominates

1:14:57

this conversation and TC fluffs,

1:15:00

uh, Shani again. What do you think

1:15:02

about Brock Purdy? You know, do you think

1:15:04

this is a long-term great

1:15:06

quarterback? Is it a placeholder?

1:15:09

What's your, what's your Purdy thoughts?

1:15:11

Therefore, Andy, I

1:15:13

think it's a good fit. I think it's

1:15:15

a good fit in the system. I

1:15:17

think, I think what Purdy does well is

1:15:20

as these guys have alluded to,

1:15:22

he he's able to process, uh,

1:15:25

he gets the ball out quickly. There's,

1:15:27

there's nothing when I watch him that

1:15:30

screams, he's

1:15:32

necessarily going to play above and

1:15:34

beyond the system. I don't think, but he's

1:15:36

also, you know, he's pretty green. He

1:15:38

hasn't been a starting

1:15:40

quarterback for all that long. Um,

1:15:43

I mean, I go back to push in one of our off

1:15:45

season QB rankings. I think push

1:15:48

ranked the, the San Francisco

1:15:51

system as the third best quarterback

1:15:53

in the NFL. So I, and

1:15:55

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

1:15:58

I mean, I want to tip my cap. I think. Shani

1:16:00

is a very, very good

1:16:02

offensive line, but it just makes it hard

1:16:05

to really get a firm opinion on

1:16:07

the quarterback within a system like that. And

1:16:10

you don't know whether to credit everything

1:16:13

going on around him and where

1:16:15

he is or the inherent

1:16:18

traits of the quarterback

1:16:21

himself. So I know that's

1:16:23

a little bit of a wishy washy answer, but I

1:16:26

think he's totally fine. Cleveland's

1:16:29

defense is unbelievable

1:16:32

and they've been making just

1:16:34

about everybody look human and

1:16:38

I don't know, not a shock that Brock didn't

1:16:41

look great against them. So

1:16:44

yeah, I don't

1:16:47

know. Take from that what you will,

1:16:49

I guess. It's a bit of an incomplete,

1:16:51

if I'm being honest. I

1:16:54

don't have a good enough feel for Brock just

1:16:57

as a by

1:16:59

himself. Okay. TC,

1:17:01

would you like to handle this before I turn it over to Mr. Poosh

1:17:04

to the final argument here? I'll

1:17:07

be honest. I don't really even need to say anything. I

1:17:09

think Brock's record speaks for itself and

1:17:11

I think he's like

1:17:14

the M1 or the M2 processor.

1:17:16

He's a super processor. He's a CPU. I

1:17:19

like that. He blew. Randy,

1:17:23

the one thing I do want to hear from you, will you apologize

1:17:26

for your Jimmy Garoppolo takes the last few years?

1:17:29

I always said he's a winner. Is

1:17:31

he still winning now? What's

1:17:35

his record this year? I

1:17:38

know the Raiders are three and three. I mean, it's not

1:17:40

like he's one in five.

1:17:42

One of those, I think you can chalk

1:17:45

up to AOC.

1:17:46

Well,

1:17:49

Hoyer won last night, right? Yeah. Jimmy

1:17:51

went to the high school. That wasn't a Jimmy G win. He

1:17:55

heard his back.

1:17:56

I think Jimmy G.

1:17:59

Listen. I think that's where it gets a little

1:18:01

uncomfy for these guys is I don't

1:18:04

see a ton of difference

1:18:06

between how Jimmy G was operating

1:18:09

the Niners versus That's

1:18:11

where you totally lose any semblance

1:18:13

of credibility. That's fucking

1:18:16

insane Okay,

1:18:21

okay listen I push push

1:18:25

We all know that the Brock part of the Brock Furties origin

1:18:27

story is that he almost went to Alabama Ended

1:18:30

up there wasn't a scholarship available from the time So

1:18:32

then he ends up going to Iowa State could

1:18:35

have could have been gone to Alabama later if scholarship opened

1:18:37

up but like sometimes I wonder

1:18:39

if

1:18:41

The narrative around Purdy would have been different

1:18:43

if he did ended up going to Bama Playing

1:18:46

kind of the AJ McCarran role. I thought legitimately

1:18:49

hand up I thought AJ McCarran was gonna be like a good

1:18:51

NFL quarterback. I watched him in that national championship game

1:18:54

Against Notre Dame. He looks absolutely like he

1:18:56

was like Purdy looks now throwing in timed

1:18:59

receivers I've always been a kind of a little bit surprised.

1:19:01

He never found a sort of place for

1:19:03

him So what is it that separates

1:19:06

Purdy from someone like AJ McCarran

1:19:09

who seemed to have a lot of the same qualities?

1:19:12

Purdy obviously like has found a success

1:19:15

that like a lot of these quarterbacks who in college

1:19:17

were just you know Good never really

1:19:20

truly great has not found what is

1:19:22

it the difference? What is it it gives you the confidence that Brock

1:19:24

Purdy is like a legitimately like a 10 year? Veteran

1:19:28

in this offense and this you know leading them

1:19:30

to Super Bowls maybe multiple Super Bowls I

1:19:32

don't I don't know if it's a it's something

1:19:34

that you can honestly put your finger on 100% I just

1:19:37

think You

1:19:39

just have to look at what happened. He's

1:19:41

the third string quarterback last taking the

1:19:43

draft He comes in in the middle against

1:19:46

his favorite team the Dolphins. He grew

1:19:48

up as a dolphin span a merino guy He

1:19:51

gets he's getting zero rucks He

1:19:53

gets thrust in the game after after Randy's

1:19:56

boy Jimmy G. Shreds his foot

1:19:58

and he gets

1:19:59

Austin the game takes immediately takes him

1:20:02

down the field scores beats

1:20:04

the Dolphins beats the Mike McDaniel lead

1:20:06

lead Dolphins goes on a run doesn't

1:20:09

lose a game just picks right up

1:20:11

plays with a broken rib against Seattle in Seattle

1:20:13

on a Thursday night game

1:20:15

porches Seattle with a with a with a busted

1:20:18

rib

1:20:19

and then goes to the NFC Championship game

1:20:22

and it's like you can't really get hurt obviously

1:20:25

you can't really put your finger on why it's

1:20:27

just there's something about him at the

1:20:30

confidence level and

1:20:32

a comfortable comfortability that

1:20:34

he has in the game and in the pocket

1:20:37

where you watch you watch all these breakdowns of

1:20:39

guys like you

1:20:41

know J.P. Sullivan David Carr

1:20:44

Kurt Warner all these guys and they're all breaking down the film

1:20:46

and they're going the guy just looks like a

1:20:49

10-year bet in the pocket he was small yeah

1:20:51

he knows ball lower yeah and

1:20:54

he's just sitting right in the pocket and

1:20:56

he's just boom boom and then he's delivering

1:20:58

and it's it's a big

1:21:00

part of that is because he played four years at

1:21:03

Iowa State and then he started four years and

1:21:06

that's a good that offense was you know it

1:21:08

was a pro style offense so he was you know

1:21:11

getting the ball around and and and

1:21:14

diagnosing seeing lots of defenses lots of

1:21:16

crazy shit and you know in the big 12

1:21:18

and so he's he

1:21:20

just has seen a lot of played a lot of football and that's I

1:21:23

think that's what he always talks about is in the interviews

1:21:25

like listen I've been playing quarterbacks since

1:21:27

I was a kid like I just this is what I

1:21:29

do I've just been playing football played a lot of football

1:21:31

played a lot of games and so when

1:21:33

he got in here just that's just what it is and listen

1:21:35

he doesn't have the arm strength the crazy

1:21:38

arm strength but he's got he's

1:21:40

got the accuracy and he's got you

1:21:42

can throw off platform and throw on these

1:21:44

crazy angles and he's got a strong

1:21:46

base he could spin it footwork excellent

1:21:49

yes yeah he can get the ball where

1:21:51

it needs to go and it's not you know

1:21:54

it's not gonna blow you away but he does what he is

1:21:56

asked of him that's what quarterbacking is

1:21:58

like

1:21:59

why

1:21:59

How are you overthinking this? Randy,

1:22:02

you need to go back and watch the film. I just don't know how that's

1:22:04

different from what Jimmy G did. Guys, go back and watch

1:22:06

the fucking film of what

1:22:07

Jimmy G did and how many of these

1:22:10

same throws he either didn't even

1:22:12

recognize and make the throw or he missed

1:22:14

the throw.

1:22:15

Jimmy G left a lot

1:22:18

on the plate. The Niners are always good

1:22:20

enough to overcome it, but like, it

1:22:22

was never... Honestly, just from

1:22:24

the eye test, he just looked way

1:22:27

more awkward all the time when Jimmy G was out there, he

1:22:30

didn't really flow with any sort of like,

1:22:33

you know, like Bruce Lee flowing like water. Like it was

1:22:35

just always mechanical

1:22:37

and like you could see his brain kind of clunking through

1:22:39

the progressions. Like nothing about

1:22:41

Jimmy G made me like, oh,

1:22:44

I love football. I love this. It was just like, oh, this

1:22:46

is like very much, you know, bolting

1:22:48

together things to survive to the next play.

1:22:51

And the Jimmy G boneheaded interception

1:22:53

was like waiting around every

1:22:55

corner, every single game. Well,

1:22:59

we don't have enough purdy in the playoffs

1:23:02

yet to figure out if he's going

1:23:04

to be the same way or not. I'm

1:23:07

just looking forward to the day the Niners fans start

1:23:09

turning on purdy because I don't

1:23:11

know. Like Jimmy G

1:23:15

gave you 68% completion percentage,

1:23:18

a nice touchdown interception ratio,

1:23:20

and it was all his fault when anything went wrong. Jimmy

1:23:24

G's... Oh, man. Oh,

1:23:26

boy. All

1:23:29

right. So one other thing on the purdy thing

1:23:31

I just want to say, I know we've mentioned Mr.

1:23:33

Ruiz a couple of times here. I'd like to

1:23:35

remain a little bit agnostic in this, but it

1:23:38

seems totally fucking

1:23:40

insane to me that like Peter King is

1:23:42

like going up to Brock Purdy and be like, oh, to

1:23:45

see what Stephen Ruiz said about you. Like, what,

1:23:47

where have we arrived in this media environment

1:23:50

where like a writer who's

1:23:52

putting together like rankings, all right,

1:23:54

meaningless, something that's truly fucking just

1:23:56

for debate purposes, that we're

1:23:59

asking players to do. to respond to

1:24:01

these things. That seems like totally like

1:24:03

to have lost the plot in my sense

1:24:05

of like who cares one way

1:24:08

or another what any one particular writer or

1:24:10

analyst, I mean, if you one thing if it was like in a

1:24:12

former NFL quarterback, if like Kurt Warner was like

1:24:14

shitting all over Brock Perdy every week, I could

1:24:16

see being like, whoa, what do you think about like this Hall of Fame quarterback,

1:24:19

but like, we're talking about someone who writes for a living

1:24:21

who like watches film and certainly

1:24:23

like doesn't have the level of football expertise

1:24:25

that, you know, all these kind of like, maybe

1:24:28

there's even like Dan Orlovski would be a

1:24:30

story to me, but it's just totally crazy to me that like, Steven,

1:24:33

I don't know you at all, but like how have you become a story

1:24:36

like just by having this kind of like outlier

1:24:38

opinion on Brock, Brock, Bernie, it's

1:24:40

so crazy. And to be fair,

1:24:42

I think he, you know, he shares

1:24:44

that sentiment. He's like, I don't understand why

1:24:46

I'm getting calls from the San Francisco Chronicle

1:24:48

to do interviews and like various radios,

1:24:51

like just trying to get me that's the kind

1:24:53

of content. He knows exactly

1:24:55

what he's doing. He's been so

1:24:58

maliciously and deviously,

1:25:01

like

1:25:04

it is intellectual fraud,

1:25:08

fraud what he's doing. I

1:25:10

mean, it's so fucking bad guys. Like

1:25:13

he should be like anybody that publicly

1:25:15

associates with him,

1:25:18

you're dead to me. Oh, wow. I

1:25:21

apologize to all the all

1:25:23

the traps, traps drop fans

1:25:28

who were hoping someday that Mina would come on the

1:25:30

pod. They seem to have just ended

1:25:32

it. Again, yeah, it's like, I, you know, I respect,

1:25:36

I love Mina. I respect the heck out of Mina.

1:25:38

I, you know, all my friends at the ringer,

1:25:42

you know, my

1:25:42

guy Nate Tice, all these people, I'm like,

1:25:44

like, listen, words matter,

1:25:47

things matter. You can't just

1:25:49

parade around like a charlatan

1:25:52

trying to drum up outrage

1:25:54

for clicks. That's all he's doing.

1:25:57

He's so dishonest.

1:25:59

It's like having Geno Smith and

1:26:02

Dak in the top 10 and

1:26:04

having Bro at 14.

1:26:08

That's where that's honestly that even

1:26:10

more than the Brock stuff. That's where,

1:26:12

and I know who's doing his whole thing is like, well, listen,

1:26:15

it's like a, you know, it's a week by week ranking,

1:26:17

but it's like, Oh, no, it's not. That's

1:26:19

what I was going to bring up. If you, if you read the

1:26:21

opening paragraph of his quarterback rankings,

1:26:24

he, he said that aim here is to rank NFL

1:26:27

passers based on their skill sets

1:26:29

using uniform grading criteria for

1:26:32

each quarterback. That means you won't see

1:26:34

wild swings after a good game or bad

1:26:36

game. That's a fresh, not

1:26:38

a bug. So for him to drop

1:26:41

burrow down into the mid teens, that's

1:26:43

where he loses me. It's like, I, I

1:26:46

actually agree with him on some of his takes

1:26:49

cough, Brock Purdy cough Jalen

1:26:51

hurts, but he, he doesn't, he,

1:26:54

it's like, he can't.

1:26:56

Sick with that for

1:26:58

other quarterbacks. Like burrow is not a

1:27:00

15th ranked quarterback ever. I don't care

1:27:02

if he's got a 20, he still should

1:27:05

be a top five quarterback period.

1:27:07

And that's where there's no world is

1:27:09

Dak Prescott and Geno Smith better

1:27:11

than burrow at quarterback. That's

1:27:13

just fascinating. Like the

1:27:16

conversation is over at that

1:27:17

point. Like if you, if that's the

1:27:20

rank, if that's where the ranking is, then the

1:27:22

algorithm is broken, like your,

1:27:25

whatever criteria you're using are incorrect.

1:27:28

You need to rethink it because that's, and then he still

1:27:30

puts Brady, which

1:27:32

is just. And Tyler, Tyler, he

1:27:35

has Kyler above burrow

1:27:37

as well too. Okay. I don't think we should be

1:27:39

giving people who are intentionally

1:27:41

kind of inflaming things that much

1:27:43

oxygen. I understand it makes for interesting debate, but rewarding

1:27:46

the people. Who are, you

1:27:48

know, try it. And I'm sure, I'm sure

1:27:51

if they lose to, I'm sure if the chargers lose

1:27:53

tonight to the Cowboys, there'll be a litany of

1:27:55

excuses and they'll throw

1:27:57

Staley under the bus once more.

1:27:59

It's never Herbert's fault.

1:28:02

It is never Herbert's fault. That

1:28:04

is correct. I agree with that take that Herbert

1:28:06

never ever gets the blame from the people who are his biggest

1:28:09

supporters regardless of what happens. He does

1:28:12

play well this year. I mean guys,

1:28:14

he gives Baro, he's got Baro as

1:28:16

currently a 75 grade

1:28:18

for pocket presents. Like that's just

1:28:21

so stupid. Okay.

1:28:27

He's got Kyler Murray with a higher pocket

1:28:29

presents grade. Like that's where it's like dude,

1:28:31

you just like Poosh said, you just, it's

1:28:34

disqualifying. You can't

1:28:36

make mistakes like that. Where

1:28:39

you're feeding right into the, it's like this is like one of

1:28:41

those conservative like bot farms that like want

1:28:43

to engage things that they, you're just giving them

1:28:45

what they want when you quote to eat them and dunk on them. It's

1:28:48

like Nick Adams. Yeah. Yes.

1:28:51

All right. Let's, we only have about 15 minutes left

1:28:53

here. Let's talk bell check for a sec. It's

1:28:56

been a long time since the Patriots were truly

1:28:58

this bad. You know,

1:29:00

does Bill deserve the blame here? Do they need

1:29:02

to move on from Mack Jones? I see Simmons

1:29:05

basically, you know, the most public Patriots fan

1:29:07

basically saying like Mack Jones cannot be the quarterback

1:29:09

going forward. It's just a disgrace.

1:29:13

Only got to watch maybe a couple of the, I mean,

1:29:15

I certainly watched the Dolphins game. I

1:29:18

think that maybe made people feel like, oh, maybe

1:29:20

the Patriots will still be competitive. And then they've just

1:29:22

gotten considerably worse since. Where

1:29:25

do you stand on bell check TC? What's

1:29:27

your, you know, take should, should

1:29:29

he have as much rope as he wants? I mean, we're

1:29:32

talking, you know, five Super Bowls here. And it

1:29:36

really, you know, he's not that far away from house's

1:29:38

record for shoe his record. Sorry about the most wins

1:29:40

of all time. Should,

1:29:43

should the page just Patriots just kind of give him extended,

1:29:45

you know, belief forever? Cause I see a

1:29:47

little bit of stuff in the bots and media. They're starting to blame me a little

1:29:50

bit and starting to kind of say like, maybe

1:29:52

it's time for him to move on. Yeah,

1:29:55

I think the, um,

1:29:57

what makes it tough for me is him forcing

1:29:59

Brady. out and kind of winning that power struggle

1:30:02

and saying, Hey, it's better to cut ties

1:30:05

too early. Well, you know what, according to that philosophy,

1:30:07

let's have that same conversation about

1:30:10

you, Bill, because he

1:30:12

doesn't seem to be keen

1:30:14

to evolve at all. It's the same revolving

1:30:17

door of the same shitty

1:30:19

coordinators or retread coordinators

1:30:22

who have been good in

1:30:24

other stints with him. Teddy

1:30:27

Brouksky came out and has pointed

1:30:30

words for him today. And I

1:30:33

think the record stuff, like

1:30:36

if I'm Belichick, I think the record

1:30:38

stuff should be beneath him. It's

1:30:40

such a contrived thing anyway,

1:30:43

in my opinion. And

1:30:45

like Andy Reid's probably going to beat it anyway in the next

1:30:48

however many years because he's, you know, he's

1:30:51

what, 10 years younger. I

1:30:55

think Belichick should just like go coach at Navy

1:30:57

or

1:30:58

something. So

1:31:00

well said TC. Like, I think that's where

1:31:02

Belichick is. Like he just wants to

1:31:04

try to scheme and out

1:31:06

scheme. Like the, the skill position

1:31:09

players have been so devoid

1:31:13

of real talent for several

1:31:15

years now. And it's

1:31:17

just been a glaring weakness. And then

1:31:19

you look at their draft this year and they drafted

1:31:22

a kicker, a punter, like no skill

1:31:24

positions before the six around. And

1:31:27

it's like the arrogance, like that's, I feel

1:31:29

like what it is. It's just this arrogance

1:31:32

that well deserved,

1:31:34

right? Probably no better coach in the history

1:31:36

of the NFL. Somebody that I would choose

1:31:38

to like go win me one game, but

1:31:41

it just feels like it's catching up to him now. You

1:31:44

can't go bargain shopping for

1:31:47

skill position guys year after year

1:31:49

after year and expect

1:31:52

to do anything. It feels like

1:31:54

a little bit like you might've lost the locker room. I told

1:31:56

you guys, like, yeah, I don't wonder

1:31:58

if that team's quitting a little. little bit.

1:32:00

Even the guys that they're signing for like big

1:32:03

money, they're massive flops

1:32:05

too. Like the John is Smith, Hunter

1:32:07

Henry, get

1:32:09

sick. All these are, it's

1:32:11

just like this weird

1:32:14

fascination with like slow,

1:32:17

slow, big, retread

1:32:20

dudes. And to me for Belichick, it's

1:32:22

like

1:32:23

you're very clearly the best

1:32:25

coach in the history of the league, in my opinion. All

1:32:28

you're doing by hanging on and

1:32:31

trying to get a record is diminishing

1:32:33

your reputation and your legacy.

1:32:35

I just

1:32:37

can't, I was looking at their salary breakdown. Like who

1:32:39

the fuck are they paying? Like what, you know, usually

1:32:42

you have like a truly great like offensive

1:32:44

player that you have to pay a shit ton of money. Like

1:32:46

they don't have any of that. Like

1:32:49

their highest paid player is Hunter

1:32:51

Henry. This is the biggest base salary this year

1:32:53

is 9.5 million. I mean, imagine

1:32:55

that like Hunter Henry is your top

1:32:57

paid offensive player. They

1:33:01

need to make a big swing. I think it's like the only thing that

1:33:03

can save him is making a big swing.

1:33:06

And I think that I think

1:33:08

I honestly do think it's either

1:33:10

that he's lost completely lost to locker room or

1:33:12

that they're in full blown tank mode. And

1:33:16

maybe he's just said, listen, we need to tank,

1:33:18

we need to tank. Like that's the only way that we're going to

1:33:20

get this thing back on track. And

1:33:23

they've been selecting at the back end of the draft

1:33:25

for like 20 years. I'm going to eat them

1:33:27

up though. I would have a hard time

1:33:29

feeling like Belichick at this

1:33:32

stage would be down to tank.

1:33:33

Like I feel like I should be in full. Which

1:33:37

might signal that he has broken

1:33:39

a bit, you know, and maybe if

1:33:41

that's not the case, then yeah, it's 100% that

1:33:44

he's the game maybe has passed him by.

1:33:46

And this new era of

1:33:48

coaching and players where it

1:33:50

does seem like being a player's

1:33:53

coach and being like a

1:33:55

dude is more important now than being

1:33:58

this strict authoritarian. and kind

1:34:01

of my way or the highway, this

1:34:03

is the Patriot culture, this is the Patriot way,

1:34:06

do your job, like he

1:34:08

doesn't have his McCordys, high towers,

1:34:10

these Bruce Keys, these guys that were Brady, these

1:34:14

guys that were there that had been in the system

1:34:16

for a decade that were there

1:34:18

to kind of like bring in all these young

1:34:20

guys and like set them straight and make

1:34:23

them do the stuff and do all of his kind

1:34:25

of work for him instead of the locker room. Those

1:34:27

guys are all gone. So

1:34:29

now it's just kind of all these

1:34:31

young dudes that are like, yeah, man, I don't want to fucking

1:34:33

do this shit. Like, this sucks. Well,

1:34:35

I guess here's where I'm at on the tanking

1:34:38

stuff, is A, it looks like they hit on that

1:34:40

Christian Gonzalez kid or

1:34:42

he's at the corner, he's good. He may

1:34:44

lack the most important ability, but he's good. But

1:34:48

like, I don't even give him, like their

1:34:51

draft boards always fucked up. They're like,

1:34:53

I don't even know if they can tank properly. I

1:34:55

know.

1:34:58

What have they been doing in the draft? That's

1:35:00

what I always get back to is like, man,

1:35:04

they've had such glaring needs. And

1:35:06

then to come out, like you said, Gonzalez,

1:35:08

okay, good pick. But then they're going like offensive

1:35:10

lineman, they draft a kicker, I think in the fourth

1:35:13

round or third, like it's like, come on,

1:35:15

dude. Like you gotta try

1:35:17

to find some weapons.

1:35:19

Yeah, and they're so far off the board with like the way that

1:35:21

their rankings look to where

1:35:23

if they had two of the top 10 picks,

1:35:25

let's say, I

1:35:27

legitimately have no idea.

1:35:29

Like we could see them picking

1:35:30

somebody that nobody's ever heard of

1:35:32

before. It's crazy.

1:35:34

A guard from Michigan State. A guard

1:35:36

on tackle, defensive tackle or something.

1:35:40

Yeah, you know what? The most memorable

1:35:42

era of the Patriots for me is obviously the Randy Moss

1:35:44

era. And I just remember that like a light

1:35:46

went on that day when he, I was

1:35:49

like the opener, I think the Jets where they

1:35:51

just absolutely fucking roasted people.

1:35:55

And I was like, oh, this is what like we would look

1:35:57

like if they had like really great athletes. of

1:36:00

trying to just outsmart everyone. Like this

1:36:02

is, and that's why that Patriot season was so

1:36:04

fucking badass because it was like, oh

1:36:06

yeah, we're just going to absolutely just go

1:36:09

on a fucking wrecking ball tour. And

1:36:11

they've never really been like, had

1:36:14

the superior athletes all around

1:36:16

since. And it's sort of a bummer. I

1:36:18

mean, I guess it's just kind of how Bill prefers to

1:36:20

do it than anybody other than Brady who got sort of, you

1:36:22

know, I mean, Gronk maybe would be another

1:36:25

exception, but I mean, since Gronk,

1:36:27

like have they drafted a good offensive player? No,

1:36:31

like he's probably the last like good. I mean,

1:36:33

and he's been retired for two years now.

1:36:36

So Gronk was like a fourth, wasn't he a fourth rounder?

1:36:38

Yeah. Cause it was back issues. Yeah.

1:36:41

I mean, they got him and Hernandez

1:36:44

in the same, same draft. So Aaron

1:36:46

Thal. I didn't draft

1:36:48

that one. Yeah.

1:36:53

Wrapping up big, I'll just sort of turn it over

1:36:55

to you. I know we're going to hear a lot of bangles talk this year,

1:36:57

assuming that they're sort of going forward. You

1:37:00

feel comfortable with the sort of the way that

1:37:02

only 11% of teams that start 0

1:37:05

and 2 end up making the playoffs.

1:37:08

Certainly I would still pick the bangles to make the playoffs. I would even

1:37:10

say they're an even coin

1:37:13

flip to win that division. I

1:37:15

just, you know, you know, I watched the Ravens. I've watched

1:37:17

them for a lot of years and I, that's Steelers

1:37:19

game that the Ravens loss was just so indicative of

1:37:21

how the Ravens kind of blow winnable

1:37:23

games and always are two, three wins

1:37:26

shy of where they should be. You

1:37:28

know, where, what are your thoughts on, on just

1:37:30

that division and sort of, you know, these are

1:37:32

two of the other than Kansas city, two of the

1:37:35

teams that most people would sort of pick

1:37:37

to represent the AFC. So where do

1:37:39

we go from here? Yeah. I,

1:37:42

the, the 0 and 2 start not

1:37:44

ideal. I don't

1:37:46

know the stats are what they are. I

1:37:49

I'm the bangles just

1:37:51

by virtue of losing to

1:37:53

the Browns and the Ravens have

1:37:55

dug themselves a hole. I think to win

1:37:57

the AFC North, I think they. can,

1:38:00

but it's going to be an uphill climb.

1:38:04

I,

1:38:05

I'm hopeful. I still think

1:38:07

it's a 10

1:38:08

and seven type year is what

1:38:11

I think would be nice. And

1:38:14

if they can be healthy going into the playoffs,

1:38:16

then they have a chance. I I'm,

1:38:19

and listen, maybe it gets a little better

1:38:21

than that. Maybe they can win a road

1:38:23

game, you know, at Kansas city

1:38:25

or, you know, win at Baltimore, I, they,

1:38:29

they gotta, they gotta show me some stuff

1:38:32

first though. Like I said, they've, they've been

1:38:34

kind of bandating it together,

1:38:36

uh, over the course of

1:38:39

these three wins. Um, they

1:38:41

just don't feel like they're clicking

1:38:43

at all offensively, uh, week

1:38:46

to week. So the buy,

1:38:48

I do think the buy has come at a great time

1:38:50

for him, uh, getting, getting

1:38:53

to hear a week off. Um, hopefully

1:38:56

not only can get healthy, but, but really

1:38:58

work to get on the same page, you know, T Higgins, I

1:39:00

burrow obviously gets a lot of oxygen,

1:39:02

but T Higgins who has

1:39:05

a fractured rib or suffered one two weeks

1:39:07

ago, like has just has not looked himself.

1:39:10

Some of that I think goes back to burrow obviously,

1:39:12

but they, um, yeah,

1:39:15

they, they, they just are not clicking.

1:39:17

I think the biggest highlight coming out of that

1:39:20

E-Hawks win was the defense looked

1:39:22

really good for the first time. Um,

1:39:25

they gave up a pretty easy touchdown drive,

1:39:27

the first drive of the game. And then after that, uh,

1:39:30

limited the Seahawks and we're starting

1:39:32

to ball Hawk and that's when the Bengals are, are

1:39:35

at their best is when they're

1:39:37

kind of rushing for dropping seven and

1:39:40

Darren quarterbacks to try to fit throws

1:39:42

and all of that good stuff. So I

1:39:44

guess all of that's to say I am

1:39:46

okay with where the

1:39:48

Bengals are sitting currently. Um,

1:39:51

I think the bummer is that they have seen

1:39:53

North is just the teams have a high

1:39:56

floor, right? A Brown, their

1:39:58

defense is really, really good.

1:39:59

So it's a dog. Yeah.

1:40:02

Like that's going to be a tough game when the Browns

1:40:04

come to Cincinnati, the Bengals have to play the

1:40:06

Steelers twice. That's always going to be

1:40:08

a physical game. Uh, the Ravens,

1:40:11

the Ravens are weird. KVV like, I

1:40:14

always like the Ravens are there

1:40:17

ever since the Bengals embarrassed them a few

1:40:19

years ago when burrow through for what five 2,500.

1:40:22

Yeah. It was the Ravens have always been

1:40:25

ready to play the Bengals. I feel like the Bengals

1:40:27

always get the Ravens best shot. And

1:40:30

then I'm like, Oh my gosh, that Ravens team is

1:40:32

really good. And then they'll go and lose at home to the Colts.

1:40:34

And I'm just like, yeah, that's not the team.

1:40:36

I saw like, I, they have a Jekyll and Hyde

1:40:38

about them. The Ravens do that. I can't quite

1:40:40

figure out. So I don't know.

1:40:43

I'm, I'm back to just like, Hey,

1:40:45

I want to trust burrow burrows,

1:40:47

getting more healthy. He's getting a little bit more confident.

1:40:50

Like that's, that's just where

1:40:52

I got to put my trust right now. The defense

1:40:54

is showing signs. So Dax

1:40:56

is awesome. Dax is really

1:40:59

showing up, which is, which is a lot of fun.

1:41:01

And I also really like Cam Taylor

1:41:03

Britt. He's got, he certainly

1:41:05

got some things still to learn in

1:41:07

coverage, but man, he's physical,

1:41:10

he's got good ball skills. Um,

1:41:12

I like some pieces on defense. Yeah.

1:41:15

We do. We just gotta get the offense humming. Like it doesn't

1:41:17

look easy. That's what's really concerning is

1:41:19

like nothing looks easy offensively

1:41:22

for the Bengals and they just have too much

1:41:24

talent for that to continue to be the case.

1:41:27

Very well said, uh, guys, I feel like

1:41:29

I always get some shit from Eagles fans when we don't

1:41:31

address the Eagles at all, despite the fact the Eagles

1:41:33

are, you know, clearly one of the best teams

1:41:36

in football, uh, maybe we'll have to focus

1:41:39

a whole segment on the Eagles, uh, next

1:41:41

go around, uh, just work. We're

1:41:43

running out of it. It hurts good. It hurts good.

1:41:46

That's the question, Randy. We can, I think we

1:41:48

need a whole podcast. I know. Uh,

1:41:50

yeah, you know what? I will say the kid from

1:41:52

Georgia, that Jalen Carter,

1:41:55

Jalen Carter. Yeah. He might be

1:41:57

the best. No, stackle in football.

1:42:00

What a deal for them. It's been, yeah, shame.

1:42:02

It had to come from someone like dying in a car accident

1:42:05

that his character concerns made him fall down the

1:42:07

draft. But like, what a, what a bad

1:42:09

dude he is in terms of like on the field. Guys,

1:42:11

question for you. Who

1:42:14

gets fired first? Uh,

1:42:18

God, I miss, I

1:42:20

would still stick with McCarthy. I

1:42:23

know Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones, for some reason seems

1:42:25

like enamored with McCarthy. I guess Jerry Jones

1:42:27

is like living in like 1994 perennially, but, uh, uh, yeah,

1:42:30

I'm going

1:42:33

to stick with McCarthy. I think it's

1:42:35

either Eberfluis or it could

1:42:37

be a loser goes home. Uh, yeah,

1:42:39

like you said, uh, tonight would, will

1:42:42

Staley versus McCarthy. Um,

1:42:44

I mean, this is only in a second year though.

1:42:47

That's the thing is like, it's really hard to fire a coach midway

1:42:49

through their second year. Yeah, you're so

1:42:51

bad. Well, they, I'm

1:42:53

not saying they don't deserve it, but like they

1:42:55

definitely like it's behind them. The

1:42:58

Cascades are cheap. They want to pay to coaches. True.

1:43:01

Low, low key stat, not teams that play the

1:43:04

Niners the week, uh, the week after,

1:43:06