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I

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told

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them straight

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drop this and zip lock that

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Right on my waistline is where

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I kept that strap I

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remember nights, I didn't remember

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nights I damn near went crazy,

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I had to get it right I'm

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your favorite rapper, favorite rapper, ayyy

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I'm your favorite trapper, favorite trapper

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The absolute truth, yeah, no

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joke Who me? Ladies

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and gentlemen, welcome

0:42

back into the trap draw I

0:45

hope the year of reaping is going well for everybody

0:47

We have a ball knowers

0:49

episode, of course, the NFL season just

0:51

concluded This past weekend,

0:53

we have Wild Card weekend coming

0:55

up Great slate, and

0:57

speaking of a great slate, I'm joined by my

1:00

council of ball knowers Let's go around the

1:02

horn here, TC, good morning, good afternoon, whatever

1:04

it may be How are you today? I'm

1:08

great, thank you, thank you, ball knower Randy Great,

1:11

I'm excited to reap some of the bad takes

1:13

And some of the good takes that I sowed

1:15

in 2023 Yeah, I hear you

1:18

there We're going to apologize for some stuff, I think Also

1:22

joining us, Mr. Kevin Van Valkenburg

1:25

from somewhere outside of Baltimore,

1:27

Maryland KBV, hello, sir Thank

1:30

you, ball knower Randy, I'm excited to be here I'm

1:33

thrilled to bring us full circle

1:35

in this season We talked early

1:37

on about putting our name on some stuff, owning

1:40

some takes Thank you, Mr. TC, ball

1:42

knower TC for making us stand for

1:44

something this year We've had this, I

1:46

think it's our fourth ball knowers episode

1:49

The trapezoids are very excited, I'm sure,

1:51

for our next guest He's

1:54

been just killing takes all year Randy, I'm going

1:56

to let you introduce him because he has no

1:58

equal That's very cool nice of

2:00

you. It's Mr. Poosh, Micah Pooshell,

2:03

you may know him as

2:05

the front man for the band Iration, check

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them out. But he is a ball knower,

2:09

he's a supreme ball knower. Mr. Poosh, welcome

2:12

to the show, how are you? Thank

2:14

you ball knower Randy. Greetings all

2:16

the ball knowers. It's a pleasure to be

2:18

here once again on your show, thanks. Absolutely.

2:22

TC, we're gonna do a nest

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And that's that's for the nest. We

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yeah, thank you to us, thank you to the nest,

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thank you to all our current nest

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members, we very much appreciate the

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support. All right, gentlemen, KVV, as

4:19

has been in our last three

4:21

episodes this year, I would like

4:23

you to assume hosting duty. So

4:26

I am graciously gonna turn that

4:28

over to you now at this point. Thank

4:30

you, Mr. Balnor-Randy, I'd love to be the

4:32

host here, the Jimmy Kimmel, if you will,

4:35

of this, it's just gonna serve

4:37

it up to you guys and let you

4:39

tell some stories, offer some takes. All

4:41

right, guys, this is our fourth episode

4:43

of this year, we've

4:46

said some things, we've regretted some things, but

4:48

I wanna start with a positive. What was

4:50

your favorite moment of the NFL season this

4:52

year? PC, I'm gonna go to you first,

4:54

I think on this one actually. Unequivocally,

4:57

my favorite moment of the season was

5:00

when Coach Flues up in

5:02

Chicago refused to say, like

5:05

he said, Justin

5:08

Fields was doubtful and

5:10

basically kept saying that he was out, but

5:13

refused to actually, he was like,

5:15

yeah, he's doubtful, but he's not gonna play. All

5:19

right, so he's out, no, he's doubtful. No, no, he's

5:21

doubtful. Like that

5:23

whole exchange just made my

5:25

day. And then continuing on with that,

5:27

Andy Johnson, our dear friend, I would

5:29

even say, I think Andy has some

5:32

ball-mower tendencies, but

5:34

he's also got some red flags

5:36

there with some of the Justin

5:38

Fields Bears takes. He sent me

5:40

a article off of bears.com about

5:43

Kevin Warren and just his kind

5:45

of day-to-day on a game day,

5:47

and it was one of the most insane things

5:49

I've ever read. So that, like the Bears just

5:51

provided a lot of joy this year. Love

5:54

that. Mr. Pusch, let's come

5:56

to you. What is your favorite moment of the

5:58

NFL season this year? I

6:00

think my favorite moment of the

6:03

season actually happened this past weekend

6:06

when your boy, James

6:08

Winston said we were

6:10

in victory formation, which means

6:13

we're going to do whatever we want

6:15

to get that victory over the Falcons

6:18

and went ahead and just ran the

6:20

ball to Jamal Williams against the coaches

6:22

orders score and then against

6:24

DA and then had Art Smith

6:27

absolutely loses shit running onto the field going

6:29

what the F are you doing? What the

6:31

F are you doing? Like and

6:34

Dennis Allen just going I understand that

6:36

I understand that and

6:40

then he got fired like three hours later. So

6:42

it was like the greatest chain reaction of things

6:44

that just happened right in a row. And

6:47

you know that I'm not the biggest Art

6:49

Smith supporter after what he did to Bijon's

6:52

rookie year and concurrently my fantasy

6:54

season. So

6:57

yeah, that was it for me. Well,

6:59

but also just it felt like Jamis

7:01

had some, some ill

7:04

will towards DA. DA is

7:07

kind of minimized him marginalized him

7:09

here over the last couple of years. And

7:11

you know, this is Jamis's way of getting back

7:13

at him a little bit. Jamis did say, I

7:15

think we should emphasize this. It was a team

7:17

decision. The team decided this now you know you

7:20

took great umbrage with the

7:22

reporter suggesting that Jamis went rogue

7:24

on this and respectfully, I'm just

7:26

respectfully telling you it was a team decision, which

7:29

I love. I love that he just he

7:31

took victory formation as kind of like

7:34

an open like just an

7:36

open ended like you do whatever you want. It's a victory.

7:40

Who was there was there was a great story.

7:42

God, this was a while ago. I think it

7:44

was a college coach TCI. This used to be

7:47

one of our favorites, but it was about was

7:49

it Charlie Weiss maybe was it

7:51

a Notre Dame backup he sent in at

7:53

the end of the game total

7:55

victory formation situation. And I

7:59

think either on the sideline or through the headset he

8:01

was like hey man we're

8:03

gonna throw it deep you know we're

8:06

gonna chuck it and the quarterback was

8:08

like what really and he was like

8:10

fuck no take it goddamn me that

8:12

always tickled me I can I can

8:14

picture Jamie

8:19

Charlie Weiss you know purported to be

8:21

a ball knower and then

8:23

let's turn back is

8:25

not decided schematic advantage yeah he has

8:27

that going for a little bit I

8:31

always loved that the love the fact that

8:33

he stepped in that with a 60 minutes

8:35

interview not too many

8:37

coaches basically like put

8:39

that put something on their football tombstone by going

8:42

on 60 minutes and telling up to Steve Croft

8:45

I will say Charlie Weiss his son

8:47

potential ball knower though oh yeah love

8:50

that mr. big I

8:52

know this was a bit of a

8:54

glum season for your hometown Bengals but

8:56

tell me what did you have a

8:58

favorite moment of this year I

9:01

did guys and it was hard I have three

9:03

that really stick out it was hard to whittle

9:05

it down to one but they have all involved

9:08

the NFL refs I think you know one of

9:10

my favorite things every week is

9:12

seeing how the refs are gonna impact

9:14

and affect the games which in turn

9:16

impact the standings in the playoff picture

9:18

etc etc you know honorable

9:22

mention to our guy I think

9:24

KVV or I apologize maybe Tron

9:26

or ball knower poosh you guys

9:28

tipped me off the Gier Alexander

9:31

coin flip fiasco in Green

9:34

Bay where he

9:36

went rogue and went

9:38

out for the coin

9:40

toss and then proceeded

9:42

to say we want to kick we want to

9:45

kick meaning we actually want the ball in the

9:47

second half he didn't realize you know you got

9:49

to say you defer in the first half so

9:51

the refs talked him out a potentially having to

9:53

kick both halves which was which

9:55

was great of course the recent Detroit Dallas

9:59

ending with the

10:01

tackle-eligible Brew Ha Ha and the

10:03

ref, Brad Allen saying one thing

10:06

and Dan Campbell and the

10:08

Lions saying another thing. But guys,

10:10

my winner, my winner, going back to week

10:12

14, Arrowhead Stadium, and watching

10:14

the Kansas City Chiefs suffer, suffer at

10:17

the hands of the NFL officials when

10:19

they had the gall

10:22

to call Kedarius Tony lining

10:24

up offsides, which negated, of

10:26

course, a highlight touchdown play

10:28

from Travis Kelsey. I

10:33

just, I oozed pleasure and enjoyment out

10:35

of seeing Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid

10:37

not get a

10:39

call to go their way for once in the

10:41

last, what had seeming five, six years, whatever it's

10:44

been. So that was my moment of

10:46

the year. And the meltdown

10:48

that followed was epic. A little

10:50

chill. A little whining and

10:52

bitching to Josh Allen in the post game

10:55

about it. Worst call ever. Worst call ever.

10:57

Like, yeah, that was enjoyable. Just,

10:59

Randy, I will say the

11:01

the Jia Yir Alexander post

11:03

game interview after that, like,

11:05

that was one of the most insane,

11:07

like, unselfaware interviews I think I've ever

11:09

seen anywhere. I feel like he was stoned

11:11

the entire time. Yeah. Yeah.

11:15

It seemed like, don't want to libel Mr. Alexander

11:17

there. Guys, I guess

11:19

I would just say my favorite moment of the

11:21

year, and I don't mean this towards the man,

11:24

but early, like the very first week of the

11:26

season before anything had kicked off, everyone

11:28

was the Jets were like, you know, just

11:31

hyping themselves up, doing the

11:33

stuff on the hard knocks and everybody was

11:36

up in my kind of grill when

11:38

I sort of said essentially, you know,

11:40

like the Jets season, it could implode

11:42

like you just never know with Aaron

11:44

Rodgers. Oh, man, I had a

11:46

bunch of people in my mentions being like, you know, oh,

11:49

can't wait till like we're 12 and four, we're gonna

11:51

dunk all over you. Not

11:54

30 seconds into the season. The

11:56

whole thing came unraveled with

11:58

Aaron Rodgers. That was the

12:01

other part. On 9-11. Mr.

12:04

... I'm not asking to

12:06

shown Kaiser all those years ago if he

12:08

thought 9-11 was an inside job, allegedly, was

12:11

leading the charge on

12:13

9-11 to honor America

12:16

and then all of a sudden things

12:18

went very bad and have kind of

12:20

gone bad for Aaron Eversted. Somehow,

12:23

he managed to keep himself in the news the entire

12:25

year, including perhaps

12:28

potentially embroiling himself in a lawsuit with my

12:31

old company. We'll see. As

12:33

we are recording this right now, he

12:35

is sharpening his knives. It seems to be on

12:37

Maxi today. So who knows by the time this

12:39

comes out what that

12:42

will bring. He had

12:44

some quotes yesterday about

12:46

wanting to not

12:49

be the center of attention, and wanted to be the ...

12:53

There's been way too much circus BS

12:55

going on. She was like,

12:57

yeah, man. Are you serious? PC

13:03

sent in the stream. He sent the article

13:05

that said the Jets need to cut out

13:07

all the BS in 2024 and

13:09

then he followed it with the Tim

13:12

Robinson and the Hot Knock Outment gift.

13:14

True in real life. We

13:16

have to find the guys who did this situation.

13:20

I think Garrett Wilson seems like a real one up

13:22

there. Soss seems like a real

13:24

one. We'll see. Quentin

13:27

Williams, real one. We

13:29

know we love Sala. This is

13:32

a pro Sala podcast. We're hopeful

13:34

that they can figure something out. Is

13:38

this a pro Norby podcast as well?

13:41

That's a great ... I'm going to

13:44

have to abstain from that on PC. I don't know how

13:46

I feel. I never actually dealt directly

13:48

with Norby, so anything that I

13:50

would share would be secondhand. Norby?

13:54

Is it short for Norbert? I

13:57

have no idea. I hope you're not. know.

14:02

So if you're totally unaware of what we're talking

14:04

about, God bless you. You're

14:07

extremely less online than we are.

14:09

It's Norby Williamson, ESPN executive who

14:12

Pat Maxey is feuding with at the moment.

14:15

Alright guys,

14:18

this tech thread that became

14:20

the Ball Knowers podcast came

14:22

together over I think a

14:25

very bizarre circumstance

14:28

that we were arguing over Justin Fields.

14:31

Mr. Push as the

14:33

one does as all podcast

14:35

great podcast do. Mr. Push

14:38

needed a little backup. I was sort of

14:40

like, alright, you know, I'm already to offer

14:42

some takes about Justin Fields. You know,

14:44

18 months ago, two years ago, we

14:46

came together. We've been discussing

14:48

Mr. Fields and other ball knowing

14:50

things ever since. I feel

14:52

like we should start out with Justin Fields

14:54

as a tribute. He might not be with

14:56

the Bears next year. So we'll have

14:59

to kind of evolve our discussion if he still becomes

15:01

a topic of it. Guys, what do

15:04

we think about fields this season? I went back

15:06

and listen to our season preview. Push,

15:08

you said you know, he we're still all in. He was

15:10

still going to be your guy and you know what I

15:12

backed you. I said I think he's going to have a

15:14

good season. I said I thought he would throw for

15:16

3300 yards and rush for 1200 yards.

15:20

You know, PC you pointed out he thought he said he was

15:22

going to throw for 5000 yards. It turns out

15:26

our predictions were a little bit of a

15:28

bit of a reach. I think I was

15:30

incredulous at the 1200. Yeah, you were so many

15:34

yards. I and you know what he rushed for

15:36

like 1100 last year. So I was like, Oh,

15:38

but but I my I

15:40

guess kind of

15:42

thinking that through quickly came clear

15:44

and I was like, Oh, there's no way he can

15:46

rush for 1200. He'd probably die if he rushed for

15:48

another 1200 yards and I

15:50

said seven and ten was a good goal for the Bears. Turns

15:53

out fields only played 13 games. He threw for 2500

15:56

yards and he ran for 657 yards. Guys,

16:00

where do we stand on Justin Fields? The

16:02

Bears have the number one pick because

16:05

the Panthers are so terrible this year

16:07

because of the DJ Moore trade. Should

16:09

the Bears stick with Justin Fields or

16:12

should they move on? I

16:14

think it's fascinating. I think they need

16:16

to move. I mean, I've said this

16:18

as we followed up on this during

16:20

the year. I do think they need to move on.

16:22

And that's just because I don't

16:25

think what's happening in Chicago is

16:27

healthy. I think that he's kind

16:29

of been beat up by the

16:32

whole situation there. I think he's definitely,

16:34

like I said, I

16:37

think the system is not right for

16:39

what his strengths are. He's

16:42

an athlete playing quarterback and I

16:44

think that's what it is. I

16:47

think at this point, it's pretty obvious.

16:49

He's not your typical, he's not

16:51

gonna get in. He's not gonna nail

16:53

reads one, two, three. He's not the

16:56

processor on that level. But

16:58

like I said, I think he can be effective and

17:00

I think he can be dangerous

17:03

in the right system and in the right

17:05

situation. Like do I think that

17:07

we said this last time, do I think if you

17:10

were in Atlanta on the turf with

17:12

that stable of running backs with

17:16

a coach like Steichen or somebody that,

17:19

or Slowick or somebody like that, that could

17:21

really use him, utilize him in a proper

17:23

way. I think he could be nice,

17:26

but in the wrong

17:28

situation, I think he is not

17:31

the call. Guys, I'll just point this out.

17:33

Desmond Ritter threw for 2836 yards, 13

17:38

games started this year. 300

17:44

more yards than Justin Fields. Yeah,

17:47

so just to piggyback on that,

17:49

Fields, 13 games, went five

17:51

and eight as a starter, 61%

17:55

completion percentage, 2500

17:57

yards, 16 touchdowns, nine

17:59

interceptions. and then on the

18:02

rushing side added 657

18:04

yards in

18:07

four touchdowns. Now over

18:09

his career 10 and 28 as a starter

18:15

this year represented his I believe

18:17

his highest completion percentage I

18:21

don't know there's progress pooch I want

18:23

to reach across the aisle I think

18:25

fields got a

18:28

little bit better I just I fail

18:30

I fail to see

18:32

how he is supposed

18:34

to elevate

18:36

a team and win you

18:39

know how does he win a conference championship

18:41

how does he win a Super Bowl without

18:44

just like the best defense and

18:46

best running game around him I

18:50

simply don't see it I'm not

18:52

completely sold on Caleb Williams Drake

18:54

May so that's what makes the

18:56

decision extremely tough in

18:58

my opinion but I think

19:00

the Bears have to rip the band-aid off

19:03

and go a different direction it just seems

19:05

like things aren't gonna get there in Chicago

19:07

for him. I don't think he's

19:09

a pan panacea quarterback like he's one of those

19:11

where you just stick him in any situation and

19:13

he's gonna make the team immediately

19:15

a contender I think he he's gonna be one

19:17

of those guys that's system QB

19:20

type the Tua you

19:23

know that mid-range quarterback where if you get him

19:25

in the right system where

19:27

he's throwing down the field and he's he

19:33

holds the ball too long I think that's like a big

19:35

thing where he's kind of he has this thing right now

19:37

where he's afraid to just pull the trigger and that obviously

19:40

ends up in a lot of sacks and

19:42

ends up in a lot of turnovers because

19:44

you just stand in the pocket and but

19:46

I do think the Bears need to move

19:48

on and that's just simply because they need

19:50

to reset reset the timeline with the quarterback

19:52

because he's in your gonna go into your

19:54

four now and then you're you're having to

19:56

either resign him and make a decision whereas

19:58

you can go get made or you could

20:00

go get Caleb Williams and you're just

20:02

starting right over it. Scratch. The only

20:05

issue is that Ryan Poles... The

20:07

pole assassin. The pole assassin

20:09

needs to make a decision on on

20:11

flute and they need to get a

20:13

proper OC in there. Otherwise

20:15

it's just the same thing that is going to happen over and

20:18

over again. His willingness to

20:20

take sacks or his penchant for doing it did lead

20:22

to one of the funniest moments of the season where

20:24

he said that he just felt

20:26

he was being over coached and he couldn't

20:28

actually like... his mind

20:30

was being filled with too many things

20:33

and then of course this caused all sorts

20:35

of red alarm fires because one thing that

20:37

the quarterback can never do is throw his

20:39

quarterback is coaches under the bus. So he

20:41

had to come back out to the Chicago

20:44

media and explain on the same day that

20:46

he was not actually throwing the

20:48

coaching staff under the bus that he was

20:50

and I believe that same day the

20:53

Bears defensive coordinator

20:55

was either arrested

20:58

or resigned and was not arrested but

21:01

on like non-company letterhead he put out his resignation

21:03

letter and then there was all these like fake

21:06

blue check marks on twitter like sharing

21:08

that like Peanut Tillman says the FBI is in

21:10

the building. That was kind of one of the

21:12

craziest days in the history of

21:15

the Bears franchise when all that shit went down

21:17

in like 24 hour period. So

21:19

we'll give the Bears credit for providing

21:21

us comedy this year. As TC alluded

21:23

to earlier the flu

21:25

is like being unable to simply say like

21:27

he's out or he's doubtful. I

21:30

kind of feel like I

21:32

don't I'm not a huge Cale Williams guy

21:34

I think you know in our chat that

21:36

I've been through all year

21:39

I think that you have to really rework. He's

21:41

super talented but you're gonna have to really drill

21:43

into his mechanics. You can't just like assume he's

21:45

gonna be the next Mahomes and can be able

21:47

to like freelance and do crazy shit. Those

21:50

are unicorn guys and so a lot of

21:52

the plays that Caleb attempts in college would

21:54

be absolutely like you're out in

21:57

concussion protocol as soon as you try to

21:59

backpedal. and then fire off your back foot and

22:01

throw it downfield. So I kind of

22:03

think I might ride with fields

22:06

for one more year. But

22:09

man, just the fact that... So then what do

22:11

you do in the draft then? You do that,

22:13

you get like... I'll probably trade

22:15

down and I don't think... Obviously, you're not

22:17

going to get one of those

22:19

top picks, but you try to trade out to one

22:22

of the shitty teams, whether it's

22:24

the Cardinals or... Whether it's someone who thinks

22:26

it's going to suck again next year and you try

22:28

to sort of hope that there's a

22:30

quarterback the following year. I don't think that...

22:32

What I think sometimes teams get stuck

22:34

in is this cycle of like, Oh my God, we have

22:36

to decide like right now. The Bears rebuild

22:39

is probably three years away. So

22:41

that's two potential, three more drafts.

22:44

Unless you really think that Kayla Williams is

22:46

like a generational prospect, then

22:48

I'm not sure why you have to like make

22:51

this decision for this year. I don't know

22:53

that he is. How

22:55

often do we really get a generational prospect? Trevor

22:57

Lawrence, who we're going to talk about next, was

23:00

supposedly a generational prospect and he seems sort of

23:02

like stuck in neutral a little bit because of

23:04

a shitty offensive line and various other reasons. So

23:06

I just don't know that I buy

23:09

that, Oh, this is like a make

23:11

or break decision for the Bears

23:13

this year. Well, I think

23:15

the counter argument to that would be,

23:17

you just never get... You don't really

23:19

get those opportunities very often. And

23:21

the fact that the ball, I

23:23

mean, it fell the way that it did

23:25

for them to get number one. I think

23:27

when you get those opportunities at

23:29

the top of the draft to select, you

23:32

know, the number one player in the draft, you kind of

23:34

have to take them. And especially

23:37

because like you said, you don't know

23:39

if it's a generational

23:41

player or not, but you kind of have to always

23:44

roll the dice and say like, just in case he

23:46

is, we've got to take him.

23:48

Because if you don't and you move on

23:50

and then somebody else gets Caleb Williams and he ends up being

23:53

this top five guy, you look even worse.

23:55

And so... Like with Patrick

23:57

Mahomes, like because they rolled the dice with

23:59

Mitch Trubis. instead of going with Mahomes.

24:01

The more talented prospect. So,

24:06

you know, the thing with Mahomes too,

24:08

it's like with Caleb and this comp

24:10

with Mahomes, he's also paired up with

24:12

one of the greatest offensive play callers

24:15

in like the history of the NFL.

24:17

I think people underrate Andy Reid's importance

24:19

in that whole situation. Like I'm not

24:21

saying Patrick Mahomes is a quote unquote system

24:24

quarterback, but like the system he's in is

24:26

one of the best systems

24:28

that ever existed in the NFL. So,

24:30

I mean, we can't underrate that

24:32

as well. Like it's kind of a

24:34

combo of yes, he can freelance and he's

24:36

amazing at doing that. And he's got all

24:38

the tools, but he's also has this

24:41

elite, elite play caller designer

24:44

like helping him as well. So draft

24:46

wise, you've got Washington at two, New

24:49

England at three, Arizona at four, Chargers

24:52

at five, Giants at six, Titans

24:54

at seven. Well, Barrett have like 12-12-2, right?

24:58

And then the big nine. Nine

25:01

too. Yeah. So you got one and nine.

25:03

So yeah. And then the Cardinals also have

25:05

21 as well. So

25:09

obviously you got to shop it just to think,

25:11

you know, I don't think Justin Fields can be

25:13

hurt anymore than they've sort of been hurt. He

25:15

was kind of bled in the media a little

25:17

bit and just goodbye press conference. Like

25:19

thanks for making my job harder because all those

25:21

media blitzes they threw out of my guests were

25:24

making things stuff. I

25:26

don't want to get bogged too down on

25:28

Justin Fields. The Bears probably get way more

25:30

discussion on this podcast than they deserve. But

25:32

I'm just glad that is a man. Oh,

25:34

you guys can apologize. Come on. Yeah. What's

25:37

I mean, I think he was overblown as a prospect. I

25:43

think he's not a franchise quarterback, but at the

25:45

same time, I'd love to see the felt like

25:47

the Falcons are probably going to trade for him. And

25:50

you know, I think also like I think that

25:53

the Seahawks should maybe poke

25:55

around. Yeah. I

25:58

don't know that I don't think I think I

26:00

think the Seahawks are still a little bit married

26:02

to Gino for one more year, but the Falcons

26:04

are definitely like a be a right place for

26:06

him. Yeah. He's a Georgia kid, right?

26:09

He signed to Georgia originally. So there

26:11

is some kind of emotional connection there. And

26:13

I do think you're right on turf, like

26:15

he would, you know, be

26:17

Vic light in some ways. And

26:20

then that division that I mean, I'm not

26:22

like the NFC North is like a great division, but

26:25

I feel bad for him because I think

26:27

like we've been critical of Ohio State in

26:29

terms of like making quarterbacks ready for the

26:31

NFL. And I think the Ryan

26:33

day failed him a little bit in terms of, you

26:35

know, helping him get to what

26:37

he needed to be. And

26:39

then I think that the Bears failed him

26:42

immensely in just being the Bears. And

26:44

so who knows if he had

26:46

been, you know, in a different place. For

26:49

God's sakes, if Shanny had just taken him instead

26:52

of trying, you know, He didn't know that was

26:54

the whole, that was the whole thing, right? And

26:56

push had to square those two things and he

26:58

still never quite reconciled that before. I

27:01

would like to say, go ahead, Randy

27:03

and I, Balnoe or Randy and I were,

27:05

you know, identified Stroud

27:08

as an elite prospect. So

27:11

it's not an Ohio State thing. Yeah.

27:13

Okay. All right. I

27:15

mean, we'll get to Stroud. Let's talk about Trevor Lawrence, Balnoe or

27:17

TC. You know, there's a lot of

27:20

people coming at me all the time, you know, you need

27:22

to make a TC answer for

27:24

Trevor's terrible season. I don't

27:26

know the terrible is sort of an accurate discussion. Trevor's

27:29

still through for 4,000 yards. His

27:32

touchdowns were down and his picks were up.

27:35

You know, a couple of weeks ago, I got

27:37

a note from a Balnoe or ESPN

27:39

was like, is it possible that Justin Fields is

27:41

actually the best quarterback from that class? I was

27:44

like, whoa, that is, that feels like you're on

27:46

drugs there. I'm not gonna name this person. Lawrence

27:49

is still the best person from

27:51

his class. But TC, they start

27:53

8-3 and they finish 1-5 and miss playoffs. Please

27:59

answer for us. What happened with Trevor this

28:01

year? Well, I think it goes way

28:03

beyond Trevor. Trevor didn't play well. I'll

28:06

be the first to admit that. But I think just

28:08

Brandy's boy, Press Taylor, not

28:12

exactly working with a full deck

28:14

as far as the offensive line

28:16

goes. They run so many underneath

28:18

passes. It's crazy. Evan

28:20

Ingram, he was getting the Phlogra

28:23

treatment, just getting force fed all

28:25

year. Christian Kirk had the poor

28:28

muscle injury. I think he heard it one of those balls.

28:31

You've got. That happened in the

28:33

Monday night game. Yeah, Dave Jones was out for

28:35

a long time. He became a ball knower for

28:37

sure. Yeah. The

28:41

O-line was just god awful. Cam Robinson

28:43

had the PED suspension.

28:46

Anton Harrison, looks like

28:48

a decent draft pick at this point, but definitely had

28:51

to get his feet under him a little bit. The

28:54

O-line, we had Walker Little starting for a while.

28:56

It wasn't good. It was a porous,

28:59

shitty offensive line. Each

29:01

yen was banged up. And then Trevor Spin, so

29:04

he had the knee, then he had

29:06

the ankle, then he had the shoulder.

29:09

And I think the shoulder, you

29:12

look at him throwing the ball right now, and I think

29:14

he's got cortisone out the

29:16

ass and the shoulder. It

29:18

was the first start he's missed in

29:20

his entire career, I think,

29:23

going back to Clemson. Are

29:25

you concerned at all, Cleo? No, I'm not.

29:28

I'm more concerned about the roster, because I think, bulky,

29:31

and it's just like they're not hitting

29:33

on the guys they need to be

29:35

hitting on. It's really,

29:37

really poor. They should be in such a

29:40

better cap position than they are. It's

29:42

not good. They've kind of wasted his

29:44

window. He's about to get a hell of a

29:46

lot more expensive. I think they'll, at

29:48

this point, they probably won't extend him. Oh,

29:51

really? They'll wait till. Wait another

29:53

year. Yeah, wait another year, and then give them. I

29:56

don't think there's a sweet reason to right now.

30:00

You know what, I think about this massive Josh Allen

30:02

extension coming up. I think Trayvon Walker is gonna be

30:04

good I think he had he took a big step

30:06

forward this year a bunch of people were shitting on

30:08

him I think he's better than

30:11

like I think the defense Was

30:13

like they just were so bad up

30:16

front on offense and defense Calvin Ridley

30:18

was a mat I will apologize first

30:20

and foremost for Calvin Ridley. You did

30:22

like be a predator this year. Yeah

30:24

that he would have a little Potentially

30:27

1700 yards receiving he barely got to

30:29

a tough just like doesn't he's just

30:31

not physical man And he's just all

30:33

finesse and he's all you know He's

30:35

trying to get every call and it's like dude Just

30:37

go play ball and like let them let

30:39

the refs call it accordingly They

30:42

fired they fired Caldwell. So yeah, like most

30:44

of the defensive staff except for I think

30:46

one or two guys But

30:49

yeah, we like bulky still like have a job there

30:51

crazy, man I know I know who she has a

30:53

line to a lot of guys in the league can

30:55

lie poos Can you get a line to shotgun and

30:57

be like hey son move on from

30:59

from bulky? I've seen this I've done this Listen

31:02

if bulky is a he

31:05

is a player. I'll just say that he knows how

31:07

to he knows how to manipulate He knows how to

31:09

to work his way into those situations There

31:12

was a wicker sham article about when

31:14

Harbaugh is with the Niners about how

31:16

that relationship frayed and became this like

31:19

really Awkward they don't talk

31:22

to each other. They went from playing Racquetball

31:25

with each other to like basically hating one

31:27

another Harb on bulky

31:30

and but bulky won won the kind of Game of

31:32

Thrones Esque thing

31:34

with with Jed with Jed York because Harbaugh

31:36

told Jed York only He

31:39

tried to go to a meeting and he's like no only men

31:41

are allowed in this meeting Yeah,

31:44

and that turned Jed York again like put

31:46

him on bulky side as opposed to being

31:48

on Harbaugh side So when everything kind of

31:51

fell apart, they got rid of Harbaugh So

31:54

bulky stayed on for another couple years before

31:56

they just kind of cleaned the whole front

31:58

office out, but I think I feel like that's

32:00

what he's really good at is just kind of

32:02

sticking in a place, even if he's not hitting

32:04

drafts. And I think if this, if

32:07

the Jaguars don't hit this next draft, they're in

32:09

big trouble. Like if they don't hit a

32:11

couple of real pieces, they're in deep, deep shit.

32:14

That's the thing. They're just not hitting on, you know, some

32:16

of these second, third, fourth

32:18

rounders. That's like,

32:20

what are we doing? Like there's some bright spots here and there,

32:22

but there's also some, you kind of

32:24

have to, honestly, you kind of have to hit like

32:27

deep one or at least one or two

32:29

like mid-round mid or. I think the one that I

32:31

really wish we had back, and I loved it at

32:33

the time, but I wish we had it back with

32:35

the Devin Lloyd trading back up into the first round

32:37

to get him. That was, I don't know,

32:40

feels like kind of a luxury piece at

32:42

this point. He hasn't played great. So I

32:44

don't know. We'll see. Tyson Campbell is going to get

32:47

more expensive too. So we'll see. I'm not, you

32:49

know, I'm going to give Trevor till the end

32:51

of next year to sink or swim. I think,

32:53

uh, you know, year three was,

32:55

was I, like he definitely took

32:57

a step forward in year two and he regressed

33:00

this year, but I think it was due

33:02

to a lot of stuff beyond his control and

33:04

played through a lot of things that I

33:06

think if they weren't in the playoff hunt, he wouldn't have been playing

33:08

through those things. I did see TC to

33:11

your point about the line that I'm not a

33:13

huge analytics guy, but I think they ranked like

33:16

31st in like short yardage, like drive off the

33:18

ball or something like whatever that stitches against essentially

33:20

like, can you, how much push do you get

33:22

up front from your line? And it was like

33:25

one of the truly the worst in the league.

33:27

So he was, you know, there's no getting

33:29

easy yards for the Jack Fisher. Yeah.

33:31

And it was one of those things too, where like it's,

33:34

you know, they were so bad in the red

33:36

zone, partly because of that and they

33:38

were really, really bad on like, they just

33:40

had, they just couldn't get any momentum going. It was

33:42

like, everything had to, you know, everything was schemed out.

33:44

Everything was quick outside passes

33:46

and a little swings and it

33:49

was, it was not good. So yeah. All

33:52

right guys, that's my turn to maybe eat

33:54

some crow heroes. Let's talk about jail and

33:56

hurts. I have been, I don't

33:58

know if I can say pro. Jalen Hurts but

34:00

I felt like that your guys' assessment of Jalen

34:02

Hurts, the eye test of Jalen Hurts was

34:05

really, I would say you

34:07

didn't do the homework, I was upset, it's like you

34:09

got to watch the play, he's a

34:11

much better player than you think, he's a leader.

34:14

Boy, I don't know that I want

34:17

Jalen Hurts to be my QB after

34:19

this season. I know there's some injury

34:21

concerns but as

34:23

much as you have had to pay

34:25

him and as poorly as it

34:28

went late in the year for the Eagles,

34:31

I think you can still win with Jalen Hurts. I'm

34:33

just not sure I can pay him like a top

34:36

five quarterback to produce the kind of way

34:38

that he did late in the year. So hand

34:40

up, I might have to be a little bit

34:42

of mea culpa here on Hurts'

34:44

going forward and

34:47

to go from playing pretty darn well in the

34:49

Super Bowl to this moment here where the league

34:52

kind of figured out Jalen Hurts a little

34:54

bit, that he just pushed, the Niners kind

34:56

of exposed and actually were coming out and

34:58

just saying it. What was both his quotes

35:00

there? Yeah, we just knew if we didn't

35:02

let him roll out or whatever, we just

35:05

held him in the pocket that he could

35:07

not beat us. What

35:09

do we think of Jalen Hurts going forward? I

35:11

would just like to say first and foremost that the

35:13

Tush push is illegal and will be

35:16

outlawed heading into the new season as

35:18

well. I think there's

35:20

a huge chance both Kelsey boys might retire at

35:22

the end of this year. So I don't even

35:24

think you can do the Tush push without Jason

35:27

involved. Yeah, I mean, I don't

35:29

know. It's one of those things where it's like elite

35:32

offensive line, elite weaponry. They

35:35

lost the coordinator obviously, but listen,

35:37

I think it's one of those things. It's

35:40

like even in a perfect situation, the guys

35:42

stop playing well. That's tough.

35:45

I would just be there like elite

35:47

offense. Their offensive line has gotten old. Like

35:50

Lane Johnson is not Lane Johnson in his

35:52

20s anymore. I think there's still above average

35:54

offensive line. My

35:57

Lotta and... Lotta's good. because

36:01

Kelsey Juergens is, I think the

36:03

only real weakness is like left guard. Yeah.

36:06

All right, Push, what did you see in that

36:08

Niners game that made you a set? Yeah, I

36:10

think Mosa said, you know, we showed the league

36:12

the blueprint, which was they didn't really, what they

36:15

didn't do is they didn't just rush

36:17

super hard upfield and try to sack him.

36:20

They just kind of held their ground and kept him

36:22

in the pocket and didn't let him break. The

36:25

problem with him is when he breaks the pocket

36:28

and it becomes scrambled drilled, then he, and

36:30

he can either run or get, get AJ Brown

36:32

on scramble or, or Smith. That's when he becomes

36:34

really dangerous and they just kept him right in

36:36

the middle of the pocket and forced him to

36:38

make a real, you know, proper throw on time

36:40

and he couldn't do it. And

36:42

I think that's kind of damning. I think,

36:44

you know, a lot of people came at

36:46

me in particular about, uh,

36:49

some of my, my Philly takes and,

36:51

uh, you know, the Zoid, you know

36:53

how the Zoids are and getting, I'm getting,

36:56

uh, you know, these, all these

36:58

email notifications from, from, from guys,

37:00

uh, posting on the message board

37:03

and I have to turn off your alerts. So that's,

37:05

I'm going to go in there and navigate that whole

37:07

thing. I'm like trying to find it. I'm like, geez.

37:10

Anyway, so no,

37:13

I think that a big thing when I

37:15

mentioned this in the, in one of the

37:17

earlier episodes was that they lost both their

37:19

coordinators. I think you're, you're

37:22

seeing now that Sirianni, like, what does he

37:24

do? I don't understand. He's just a mouthpiece.

37:26

I think. Steichen

37:28

was the actual brains behind

37:31

the offense and Yannen

37:34

was behind

37:36

the defense. And now we're seeing there, they can't

37:38

figure out the defense is awful. They

37:40

fired horrible. They moved aside down

37:43

and they put Matt Patricia in

37:45

and they're just getting worked by

37:47

Tyrod Taylor and Kyler. The

37:50

Cardinals, you watched that game. The Cardinals should have won that game by

37:52

like 21 points. It wasn't even close. That's

37:55

so sick. Yeah. They were beating

37:57

them up. And so it's, it's an.

38:00

indictment of Sirianni and it's an indictment

38:02

of that team that they

38:05

really went stale. In the beginning of the year, they were kind

38:07

of, they still had a lot of the playbook

38:09

that they were just running in being a team

38:11

that was, the core of it was

38:13

still together. So they had their offense could kind of hit the

38:15

ground running in the beginning of the season. And

38:18

then as soon as people started to kind of figure

38:20

it out and the league always catches up at

38:22

some point, they didn't have answers. They didn't have

38:24

the counter. They didn't, they hadn't like schemed ahead

38:27

game plan to head far enough where they had

38:29

answers to whatever the defense were throwing at them.

38:31

And so it just became this, I

38:33

don't know, we're just going to run the same things over and

38:35

over again. And, and, you know, they just ran out. It seems

38:37

like they ran out of answers is what it looks like. Is

38:40

he hurt? What's, what's the status

38:43

on his finger? Well,

38:45

it just looked like it. Yeah. Yeah.

38:48

It looked like a pretty gruesome injury. I mean, they're, if

38:51

they can win this playoff game, I think it would

38:53

be even against Tampa is like you would,

38:55

you would thought at the beginning of the year, like,

38:57

Oh, that's a great matchup for the Eagles. But man,

38:59

they got a, I wouldn't even think that they were

39:02

favored in this game. Like they're, they're in a free

39:04

fall. I think I saw Rex Ryan

39:06

saying they, they seem like they're the

39:08

boulder on the edge of the hill is about

39:10

to just tumble all the way to them in

39:13

the camp. I don't know. That's why I

39:15

get back to Sirianni, like

39:17

I know great season last year,

39:19

but something about him and the

39:21

whole thing just seemed like they're

39:23

under the national anthem. Yeah.

39:25

Just seemed very, um,

39:28

front runny. Hey, things

39:30

are going well. It's great to

39:33

act like that, but very curious

39:35

here, the stretch of games, like

39:37

where is the actual culture? Like

39:39

what are you falling back on

39:41

in the locker room? It's going

39:43

to be very, very anti Italian of

39:46

you, Randy, of the, of the Philadelphia

39:48

turn on him quickly. Like that's

39:50

going to be awesome. I think that's

39:52

a, I think that's a, you know, that's, that's a great

39:55

testament to the coaches that can lose

39:57

coordinators and continue being

39:59

successful. successful Kyle McVeigh,

40:03

you know, I mean maybe

40:05

you can maybe throw Belichick in there

40:07

for a while Andy Reid, etc It's

40:09

it's the top Peter Carroll a little

40:12

bit Peter Carroll a little bit the

40:14

guys that lose the loser coordinators Consistently

40:16

and they just continue being good

40:18

and being competitive Those are

40:20

the you know, that's the real the real the real

40:22

ones out there. So Jalen hurts

40:24

over over the last six games passer

40:30

Less than 1200 yards five

40:33

touchdowns five interceptions for a 77

40:36

point six rating You

40:38

know add in a couple hundred

40:40

rushing yards and and some touchdowns

40:42

there, but he certainly Starting

40:45

with that San Francisco game markedly

40:48

markedly different player We

40:51

might have to call him Jalen. Are you

40:53

hurt or injured? injured

40:56

are you hurts dog? Don't

40:58

ask me if I'm hurt Yeah,

41:01

I I don't know it look they Salvage

41:04

their season if they win a playoff game,

41:06

you know I don't think there's any chance they can

41:08

make a Super Bowl run with as bad as the defense has been

41:10

but it might at least

41:13

Make them feel a little better if they were able to kind of

41:16

win one game and it's not like Tampa's

41:18

like some juggernaut so And

41:20

it does go back. I'm sorry. I you

41:23

know, I think we kind of don't apologize

41:25

on at it in Internally,

41:27

but KBB would always ask us like what what

41:29

is it about hurts that you know, you guys

41:31

don't like or what are you basing? this all

41:34

off of and I and I Every

41:36

time I go back to you just

41:38

cannot get pulled in college from

41:41

the most important game of the year at

41:43

halftime for a Freshman and then your team

41:45

to 180 turning around

41:47

like that does not happen to

41:49

the great quarterback so hurts would

41:52

truly have to be a one-of-one

41:54

where You

41:56

know going back into his past something

41:59

like that Happened to him like

42:01

that that's simply from that moment on

42:04

it just felt disqualifying to me All

42:07

I'd asked that it repeatedly is you guys would do

42:09

the homework to give me some actually you just Know

42:12

that was the homework We're

42:15

never on national TV and you were like, oh well

42:17

from what I just know of hurts You

42:20

were judging him based on that 49ers game

42:22

where he didn't have to do anything and they

42:24

you're just like Oh, I can't wait to see

42:26

hurts for the first time. He threw

42:28

like 10 passes They had didn't have to

42:30

do anything because the 49ers couldn't move the

42:32

ball. You're like see this is just a

42:35

complete like validation of my beliefs So

42:38

he's limited when you know, you know,

42:40

mr. Limited Ryan Burks Well, let's let's

42:42

talk about an instance where maybe the

42:45

eye test did not work. No, no, we

42:47

are not Oh,

42:49

wow. Okay. All right, I'm talking about Jordan

42:51

love here. Oh, okay. Sorry. I'm going to

42:54

that. Yeah, sorry I might have skipped ahead

42:56

with that. Let's but let's talk

42:58

about Jordan love because I feel like yes It's

43:00

an interesting discussion with the eye test We

43:03

had one of the trapezoids pulled some quotes for

43:05

us here In our

43:07

1017 episode Randy

43:10

referring to Jordan love. I don't think he's good

43:13

Poosh, I'm totally out Randy

43:15

not impressed at all and then he came

43:18

back again a month later Randy

43:20

Jordan love has not looked great. I think

43:22

his time might be dwindling in Green Bay

43:25

What is that? What was that? That was 1115. So

43:28

not that long ago. So late It's

43:32

maybe I think it

43:34

might be because you know, obviously this

43:36

is a massive anti Lefler house. Sure

43:41

Maybe we like we've underrated love

43:43

even more Because

43:45

he's also going up against Lefler's

43:47

play calling as well Why

43:51

does learn not get the benefit of

43:53

the shanniness? Yeah, why I don't understand

43:55

that or guy Interesting.

43:57

I'm not I think I

43:59

think Leflore has done well

44:01

this year. I think he'd surprised me.

44:04

Like the passing schemes have

44:06

been nice. And I think that

44:09

Green Bay wide receiving core is actually

44:11

pretty good. There's like

44:13

legit four players on that

44:16

on that core of guys, you know, without even

44:18

with that Watson being hurt. Jaden

44:20

Reed Wicks, see other guys named

44:22

Mel or something, whatever. They're all

44:25

good and the tight ends are good and

44:27

they got two back. So I think

44:30

and that, you know, they're running. They're running

44:32

like had to back to the right where they have

44:34

base level Kyle scheme,

44:37

which is good enough, you know, and if you

44:39

can figure out something on the, you

44:42

know, with the passing schemes, it seems like he's

44:44

got the passing schemes down there. They're just letting

44:46

love do what he does. He's got a nice

44:48

arm. He's got Aaron

44:50

Rodgers like he looks

44:53

like a clone of Aaron Rodgers, whether the way that

44:55

he throws and the way that he throws off the

44:57

back foot all the time for

44:59

no reason. He's just sitting in a clean pocket and just

45:01

throws off the back foot. And it looks really sick, but

45:04

you're like, why are you doing that? Just have

45:06

good footwork and throw the ball normally. And

45:08

I think a lot

45:10

of that gets blown into while this guy's in

45:12

this guy's insane because of the way that he

45:14

threw this and he's throwing these side arms. He's

45:16

got a crazy arm. I mean, he's better

45:18

than I thought he was. I'll just say that I still

45:20

I want to see the teams

45:23

at one game over 500. I said

45:25

this on Twitter, on Twitter, they're

45:27

nine and eight in a bad, bad division in

45:30

a bad conference. And he wasn't good for half

45:32

the year in the year three in

45:34

the same system. So yeah,

45:37

he's playing well right now. Let's see if he can continue

45:39

this. It feels like it could end up being a very

45:42

Jalen Hurts-esque scenario where

45:45

he gets hot at the end of the year and it's like he looks

45:47

good. And then all of a sudden next year, the

45:49

advanced team, which makes me wonder,

45:51

like, the

45:55

contract that he signed, like,

45:57

what was that? Like, he didn't bet.

46:00

He almost bet against himself. Yeah

46:02

that extension which that that seems

46:04

disqualifying to me But it seems like he he took

46:07

a step forward this year. I'll give him that he's not

46:10

there yet, but it looks promising Man

46:13

worth out. Hey, go ahead. No.

46:16

Well, yeah read off his stats 4100

46:19

yards 32

46:21

touchdowns completed 64% of his throws You

46:25

know had a real bad game against

46:28

the Raiders but other than

46:30

that like this pretty darn good You

46:32

know throughout the year statistically the second half

46:34

of the year for sure I

46:37

mean, I just kind of think we judged

46:39

him a little bit harsh I mean played great at the

46:41

end of that Bears game in the start of the year

46:43

and that was like some of the Referendum on him and

46:45

fields like who was gonna be the next good

46:48

quarterback and then he kind of had some Some bad

46:50

things but then I think we kind of just Dissop

46:52

paying attention and it wasn't until really

46:54

the end of the year when I was like,

46:57

oh shit Like this kids playing really darn well

46:59

watching them play a couple flashed against that bad

47:01

teams at the end of the year I mean,

47:03

they played giant bucks Panthers Vikings Bears Play

47:06

the teams that are in front of you Everybody's got a

47:08

chance to play shitty teams and if you

47:10

play well against them Like that's how you put

47:13

up good stats over the course of the year I

47:16

a Vikings Vikings win with the most impressive

47:18

just because the defense on the Vikings is pretty

47:20

good. But yeah Hard

47:23

to know you know, can you trust him? Guys,

47:27

I KVV you read you read my quotes

47:29

there. I I was Totally

47:32

out on love and I'm here to say I am

47:35

totally in I love I That

47:39

last quote about is, you know, not

47:41

impressed timed dwindling that was November

47:43

15th He was just coming off a

47:46

pretty mediocre game against the Steelers.

47:48

The the season stats didn't look

47:50

great since that game What

47:53

is that? seven eight

47:55

weeks 70% passer 18

47:58

touched one

48:01

interception over 2,000 yards

48:03

and I think more than that the eye test

48:05

because I have watched them a few times and

48:08

and to me this is the difference

48:10

between like a Jalen Hurts, a Justin

48:12

Fields, a Zach Wilson

48:15

you know whoever has

48:17

kind of been like in that you know is

48:19

he actually good or not I just

48:21

find Jordan Love making throws

48:23

making plays like he's out

48:26

there it just

48:29

seems like he's freed up mentally like he

48:31

has caught up to the speed of the

48:33

game he knows what's

48:35

going on and he is

48:38

making plays and he is doing things

48:40

that aren't just like the play you

48:43

know it's it calls for me to

48:45

look here and make this throw I

48:48

don't know if I'm explaining that well but

48:51

but it just looks like something has really

48:53

clicked for him and he's playing with a

48:55

confidence and an air about him that I

48:58

expected to continue I'm all in on

49:00

Jordan Love could could not have been

49:02

could not have missed this one anymore

49:04

that is a whole apology from for

49:06

me good job big I always

49:08

love it when someone's willing to sort of

49:10

go out there and hey I was a

49:12

little bit rash in this this moment so

49:16

we'll see I mean playoffs are always a good test

49:18

I just think man imagine as

49:20

I sort of am a Bears fan

49:22

looking over at Green Bay and be

49:24

like these fuckers did it again they

49:26

found themselves another quarterback without having

49:28

to go through the freakin wilderness like

49:30

we've been through forever if

49:32

Jordan Love is the quarterback for the Packers for the

49:34

next 10 years or beyond like

49:37

God that's just gonna like it'd

49:39

be a knife to the heart of every

49:41

Bears fan who literally has had just garbage

49:43

quarterbacks one after the X and is thinking

49:45

about even in this modern era rebooting it

49:47

for the third consecutive time of you know

49:50

Trubisky fields and now potentially

49:52

Caleb Williams that's tough not

49:54

to mention the Kade McNoun and such of

49:57

the previous generation so I

50:00

do want to say I think the Eagles fans

50:02

need to apologize to us. They need to reach

50:04

back out. We got a lot of voicemails from

50:06

people, a lot of nasty, nasty messages. Eagles

50:09

fans need to apologize. Okay,

50:12

I'll put that out there. Put it out on them streets.

50:14

Let them know that we back up. All

50:17

right, boys. It's time to talk about Dak Prescott. I

50:20

actually was... TVV, hold

50:22

on. Probably our biggest... Motion

50:24

to table the Dak discussion

50:28

until after the season. Every

50:31

regular season does not fucking matter.

50:33

All right, you got elite weaponry.

50:35

We've seen this story before. Elite

50:37

offensive line. He shit

50:39

down his leg in a couple of big spots.

50:42

You know, I think he might have been fluffing

50:44

the stats a little bit. But

50:46

the question has never been Dak in the

50:48

regular season. Dak, you know, can he... Like,

50:50

is he going to throw the most inopportune

50:53

interception of all times? Is he going to turtle

50:56

against the Niners? Things of that nature. So I

50:58

don't think we can have his conversation until

51:00

after the season. I think that's fair. Send

51:04

me a calendar alert when you're ready to have the Dak

51:06

discussion. I will be there. I will

51:08

be ready. Do we owe

51:10

a collective apology to Mike McCarthy, though? Probably.

51:14

I actually said I thought he would get fired before

51:16

the season was up. Now, I guess, technically, he could

51:18

get fired if they were to lose in the playoffs.

51:21

And I would still be right there. But I

51:23

was very down on McCarthy in our

51:25

season opening pod. I

51:28

don't know that they've shown me anything that makes me

51:30

think like they're a Super Bowl contender. But,

51:32

you know, they're probably the second

51:34

best team in the NFC. Is that

51:36

fair to say? I'd say that's

51:39

fair. I think a lot in your stuff is better. Okay.

51:42

Well, without Laporta, it's

51:44

tough. I think the

51:46

issue with McCarthy, which it's always been the case,

51:49

he's a great... It's just like he's like the

51:51

Dak of coaches. You know,

51:53

he's this really good regular season coach. But

51:56

when you get him into the playoffs,

51:58

when he has to make these... crucial

52:01

game management, cloth management decisions,

52:03

it melts. And

52:05

those Packers teams were our

52:07

historical underachievers with Aaron Rodgers in

52:10

his prime, getting to like a

52:12

number of NFC championship games

52:14

and then losing or

52:16

you know just losing really badly in in

52:18

the playoffs after having a great regular season

52:20

and it just feels like that's

52:23

who he is. You can go,

52:25

he'll go 12 and 4, he'll go or 12 and

52:28

you know 5 or whatever it is and he'll

52:30

have this great regular season record, the team will look real

52:33

sweet and then when they get into the playoffs they get

52:35

exposed. I think that Dallas team,

52:39

they blow out bad teams so they look

52:41

real heavy and then when you get

52:43

them in a real proper battle they

52:45

kind of lay down and they are exposed a

52:48

little bit. Even against Miami who's not a fit

52:50

like a crazy physical team, they

52:52

got, I mean they were kind of exposed in

52:56

my opinion. They can't run the football,

52:58

it's all revolves around CD-Lam and...

53:00

Which I do think is really funny that

53:03

like McCarthy does not throwing the ball

53:05

to CD-Lam or like the first five games of the

53:07

year and CD-Lam like literally went

53:09

to him and was like hey man like do you

53:11

think maybe we could like get me the ball more?

53:13

Like I'm ready to do more. I don't want to

53:15

be a diva or malcontent but I really I feel

53:17

like I could do more. McCarthy was like oh yeah

53:19

like okay I got one of the best receivers in

53:21

all the football. Maybe I just and then like the

53:23

rest of the year he had like 1400 yards

53:26

receiving in the last you know 14 games

53:29

or something like just a super

53:31

productive stats from then on. I think

53:34

you just have to table that for

53:36

sure. I feel like McCarthy is still, the jury is

53:39

still out and I know we do

53:41

need to spend a little bit of time. The jury may be out

53:43

on this but guys let's have a Brock

53:45

party discussion. We seem to have

53:47

had many Brock party discussions leading up to this.

53:50

I still feel like we're a little bit of

53:52

an incomplete Randy. I feel like maybe you're sort

53:54

of on my side here. Look he's

53:56

not great. I don't even think he's

53:59

not great. We don't know

54:01

what he is until really he shows it

54:03

against a great team. I feel

54:05

like Incompletes would

54:08

probably do to him this year because I

54:11

mean named me a great performance. He had against

54:13

a great defense Maybe Dallas

54:15

I guess would be I mean, you know 17

54:17

or 24 for four touchdowns Alright,

54:21

but you guys you guys are real big

54:23

on like oh that one game is a

54:25

huge indictment of XX person The

54:27

Ravens game is a huge indictment. Gotta

54:29

talk about the Ravens where they're the

54:31

the Brock Purdy You

54:33

know receipt living comes. Yeah a little bit

54:36

I want to hear big play well again I know I

54:38

know there's some guys on the other side of this aisle

54:40

who are Readied it's a big

54:42

what tell me your feelings about Brock

54:44

Purdy going into the playoffs. I

54:47

think largely Brock Purdy is exactly

54:50

What the Niners need him to be I I do

54:53

think the Niners quarterback situation

54:57

A bit different than other places Why

54:59

now why would that be Randy? You're walking

55:01

a fucking tightrope here my man simply because

55:03

of you know Very very

55:06

talented roster They've done

55:08

a ton both and you know

55:10

trades the draft free agency to

55:12

improve that roster and the

55:15

scheme of Kyle Shanahan Seems

55:17

to be a bit QB agnostic

55:21

You know, I think I

55:23

think it requires by and large

55:25

somebody To manage the game

55:28

and I that's not

55:30

completely pejorative I just

55:32

feel like we've seen guys do

55:34

well in the Shani system Jimmy G

55:36

for one But we just

55:38

haven't seen Brock in KBB

55:41

this gets back a little bit to that

55:43

Ravens game on on Christmas night Like

55:45

I just want to see Brock when

55:48

things are not going So

55:51

great when there's a little bit

55:53

of adversity when when the scheme

55:55

breaks down A little bit and he's got

55:57

to go and make some throws and make and

56:00

plays in the biggest moments. And

56:02

I just don't know. I'm not saying he's

56:04

not capable of it. I'm not saying that

56:06

it's an impossibility. I just

56:09

haven't seen it yet that the

56:11

Ravens game Christmas night was potentially

56:14

a preview of what the Super Bowl will be.

56:17

And Brockler flustered, and it

56:19

was not a good night for him. We

56:21

do know that. So I just

56:24

feel like it's a little bit incomplete

56:26

to coordinate him as

56:29

one of the three best quarterbacks in the league.

56:32

I will say before, and then I'll

56:34

turn it over to our Brock Purdy,

56:36

Kyle Shanahan, stands. I

56:39

think that a real skill of

56:41

a quarterback is getting the ball to

56:43

your playmakers and letting them

56:46

in space and letting them perform from there.

56:48

And I do not think that that is

56:50

a weakness. I find it to be abhorrent

56:52

that people use that as some sort of

56:54

indictment of like, oh, well, anybody

56:56

could do this. You know what? If anybody

56:58

could do this, a lot more teams would

57:00

be successful. And if it was just the

57:02

system, then everybody should run the fucking system.

57:04

That's such a stupid way of looking at

57:06

ball, in my opinion. Quarterbacking is

57:08

not just like, can you make the impossible throw?

57:10

It's can you make the simple throws, and can

57:12

you move the chains, and can you play with

57:14

them? Pre-separate, play within the

57:17

rhythm of the offense, not make fucking dumb

57:19

mistakes. Now, I do think that

57:21

the Ravens showed him some looks that he hadn't seen

57:23

before. They showed him some pressures that

57:25

they hadn't seen before, got him a little

57:27

bit flustered. But that's OK. That's part of

57:29

the learning process. I imagine that

57:31

he would play better if they

57:34

played again, unless

57:36

the moment got too big for him. But

57:39

I do think that they're going to

57:42

have to find ways to

57:44

not necessarily overcome his weaknesses,

57:46

but put him in positions where

57:48

it's like, hey, we might

57:50

not be able to. They looked like they were

57:52

tearing apart the Ravens on that first possession. I

57:54

was like, man, this kid is just owning them.

57:56

And all of a sudden, it was like one

57:58

adjustment. And. he just was like, oh

58:00

shit, I do not know where the safety is going to be.

58:03

I do not know where the pressure is coming from. So

58:06

that's, I think going to be a great test

58:08

for him come through the playoffs is, you know,

58:11

we got a whole year of tape on him. Is

58:13

there some different kinds of good defensive coordinators who

58:15

can put different pressures on him? I still think

58:17

the Niners are an absolute

58:19

like 70% chance to think the Super

58:21

Bowl because I just don't think that the other teams

58:23

match up well with them. They're

58:25

going to have home field advantage throughout.

58:28

They're a great team, but I

58:30

just don't know. Like I'm not ready to sort of

58:33

anoint. I do not think like,

58:35

Purdy should be the MVP. Like you just can't

58:37

sort of, you know, McCaffrey to me is so,

58:39

and I, and listen, I picked McCaffrey as the

58:41

MVP of the league, uh, in

58:43

our first thing in the year. So I

58:45

just think I'm ready to defend of him

58:47

or some of these, some realistic discussion of

58:49

him, uh, push on

58:51

all the chip, the last word. So TC, I'll turn it to you

58:54

first. Your thoughts on Brock Purdy

58:56

now in this moment. Thank you,

58:58

Paul. No, Kevin. Uh, thank you.

59:00

Paul. No, it's, uh, yeah. I

59:03

mean, it's pretty, I feel the same as with, like, I

59:05

feel the same with Brock as I did at the beginning

59:07

of the season, which is, I believe

59:09

in him. I think he's, I think

59:11

he's a dude. I think he's

59:13

a, you know, super processor. And,

59:16

uh, you know, he, like, listen, he's still

59:18

a second year guy, right? Like he's, you

59:20

know, he's going to make mistakes. He's going

59:22

to get flustered. He's going to see

59:24

some new things, but you know, like, I think

59:26

the most valuable thing he possibly could have had

59:28

was that Ravens game. You know, like

59:31

I'm glad that that happened versus, you know,

59:33

not having happened. Um, you

59:36

know, he throws a great ball. Like, I

59:38

don't know all of it. I'm, I'm still

59:40

way, way in on Purdy. I'm way, way into

59:42

the Niners. Uh, yeah,

59:45

it is what it is. It's, you know, we'll see what

59:47

happens when the chips, when the chips are down. All

59:50

right, push. You've watched a lot of tape about Brock. I'm

59:52

sure this year you've talked to your outs around the league.

59:54

You've, you know, you've put out some fields. Give

59:56

me the definitive word on the man. So

1:00:00

I think that a lot of

1:00:02

this is, it's strange to me that

1:00:04

the kind of takes

1:00:07

on Purdy being that he was the

1:00:10

last pick of the draft, he's

1:00:12

in his second year, in a year

1:00:14

that he was the third string quarterback,

1:00:16

getting zero reps, comes in

1:00:18

the middle of a Miami game and Jimmy G gets

1:00:20

hurt, beats Miami, then

1:00:23

goes on a seven game winning streak and takes

1:00:25

him to the NFC championship game and people are

1:00:27

like, oh no, this guy's like, he's

1:00:30

just a system guy, like, who

1:00:33

does that? That doesn't happen in the NFL,

1:00:35

you don't get zero reps for the entire

1:00:37

offseason, the entire year. If you're the third

1:00:39

quarterback, you get maybe one rep a day,

1:00:42

like that, you get, or none. You're

1:00:44

not playing football, you're just watching, looking and on the

1:00:46

side of the field. And it's not like Sam Darnold's

1:00:48

coming in and like lighting the world on fire. I

1:00:52

mean, we saw in the system, being

1:00:54

that that was vanilla with some backups, it

1:00:56

still wasn't like, oh my God, this is,

1:00:58

you know. So anyway, to

1:01:00

move forward, the

1:01:02

loss against the Browns who are

1:01:05

literally a historically good defense in the

1:01:07

history of the NFL, especially at home

1:01:10

in a rainstorm, if he

1:01:12

drives him down at the end of that game, Randy

1:01:14

was there, he drives him down at the end of that

1:01:16

game and we're watching together.

1:01:21

And they stopped, they stopped even trying to

1:01:23

move the ball. They just started running the

1:01:25

clock out. If Purdy makes

1:01:27

that kick at the end of the year, at the end

1:01:29

of that game, the whole story

1:01:31

on Brock is completely different. They're going, wow, he

1:01:33

went down the field, took him down there and

1:01:35

get the kick. They win the game. That's

1:01:39

this whole, oh, he couldn't, like, let's see him in

1:01:41

a tough situation. Well, the Vikings game

1:01:43

was a little bit of an indictment too. I mean, I

1:01:45

think he had a concussion that they didn't really do, diagnosed

1:01:48

in that Vikings game, but he did not play well at

1:01:50

the end of that Vikings game. Well, also,

1:01:53

in that two game stretch against the Vikings

1:01:55

and the Bengals, but that was one of

1:01:57

the defense was playing awful. Kirk

1:02:00

Cousins went absolutely ham in that game. He

1:02:02

was unstoppable. He was unconscious.

1:02:04

And then Burrow went like 28 for

1:02:07

32. Yeah, the game that Randy

1:02:09

and his fam were at. Burrow did Burrow

1:02:11

things. Yeah, he was

1:02:13

unstoppable. So it's like, we're playing, the Niners

1:02:15

are playing, having to force the

1:02:19

ball down the field, having to try to keep up

1:02:22

with these teams that were just scoring and scoring and

1:02:24

scoring. And that puts him

1:02:26

into a bad situation. Obviously, he threw some

1:02:28

bad picks in those games. And in the

1:02:30

Baltimore game, the first pick, bad

1:02:33

pick. Okay, that's undeniable. That was a

1:02:35

bad read. That's on us. That's on

1:02:38

us. All right. That's on me. All

1:02:40

right. That's on me. Should

1:02:42

have prepped him better. Yeah, I'll take that.

1:02:45

Should have hit him up. And the

1:02:47

second one, they run cat, they

1:02:49

cat corner blitz, right? Both corners blitzing.

1:02:53

He's got Deebo with

1:02:55

one man to beat with 10 yards of space. He

1:02:57

tries to slip it underneath him and the guy makes

1:02:59

a great play, jumps up in the air, tips it

1:03:01

with his hand, he tips it to the other corner

1:03:04

on the other side of the field. Great play. If

1:03:06

he hits Deebo, if he slips it by

1:03:08

the corner and hits Deebo, Deebo could

1:03:11

be off to the races. I'd have to touchdown.

1:03:13

The whole, the whole situation changes. The two tip

1:03:15

balls. Also Deebo was hurt for a portion of

1:03:18

the season as well. I think Deebo is going

1:03:20

into the whole operation. And Trent, yeah.

1:03:23

I don't know. I don't like this discussion about

1:03:25

how tip balls are just random affairs. Like you're

1:03:29

incriminating yourself. Let's just watch the playoffs.

1:03:31

I will. The Niners had 420 yards

1:03:33

of offense against Baltimore in that game.

1:03:39

They had five turnovers, obviously. How many after it

1:03:41

was? We

1:03:44

don't need to read. Come on. I'm

1:03:46

just saying. That's

1:03:49

not who we are. I'm not saying it

1:03:51

was a close game. I'm just saying it

1:03:54

wasn't, it wasn't an issue of moving the ball down

1:03:56

the field. The turnovers were the issue, obviously. Two. those

1:04:00

four in INT's that Brock threw our

1:04:03

tip balls, the variance

1:04:06

on those is random. Like when the

1:04:08

ball goes up in the air it's like

1:04:10

tipped it to Marlon Humphries over the quarterback's

1:04:15

head. It's like

1:04:18

the presidential question. Do you feel

1:04:20

better about Brock now than when Brock took

1:04:22

office? 100% and if you listen to

1:04:24

him you know speaking

1:04:26

about it he's saying in the press

1:04:28

conference listen they gave it

1:04:30

I gotta be better of trying to on the

1:04:33

first drive I was just getting I was I

1:04:35

was hot heating up because I was like we've

1:04:37

got the ball down the field in two plays

1:04:40

I just tried to score it he's like I

1:04:42

got overconfident and just you know the

1:04:44

heat check yeah he's like blacked out

1:04:46

essentially and he's like I

1:04:48

can't do that I just gotta just hit learn

1:04:50

to hit the you know get the dump off

1:04:52

pass here and just take seven yards as opposed

1:04:55

to trying to just like score score score and

1:04:57

I think that's a great lesson for him because yeah

1:05:00

he is seeing McDonald's, Baltimore is

1:05:02

another historically great offense these are

1:05:04

some of the best DVOA defenses

1:05:06

in the last 30 years

1:05:08

of the NFL no the

1:05:10

defense defense he said offense yeah

1:05:13

sorry so yeah so the defense

1:05:15

you know these are great great defenses

1:05:17

so and they move the ball so

1:05:19

I'm just saying the Baltimore defense

1:05:22

saying guys listen

1:05:24

we'll see him again I hope and

1:05:26

I think it I think it will be different I think he

1:05:28

learned you can see when he went when he played against Washington

1:05:31

he was definitely playing a little more

1:05:33

conservative and he's like listen we

1:05:35

just need to win this game I don't need to

1:05:37

be do anything crazy I think that's

1:05:39

he knows I think he's a really

1:05:42

really smart confident dude that is you

1:05:44

know he doesn't come out in the press and

1:05:46

get all weird and braggy but

1:05:48

I think he you know he's a he's a dude fits

1:05:51

in with that team I'll say there's some glue

1:05:53

there leadership I think is

1:05:55

an important part of being a quarterback you

1:05:57

have to you know inspire the

1:05:59

other guys to at least have confidence in you that

1:06:01

you're not gonna buck things up. That

1:06:04

is, you know, as we'll talk

1:06:07

about Herbert in a minute, like I

1:06:09

still don't quite buy that Herbert's personality

1:06:12

is actually kind of something that will translate

1:06:15

into like locker room confidence. I actually think

1:06:17

the opposite about Brock, like I think those

1:06:19

people, those guys believe in him in the

1:06:21

locker room. So, under him. We'll see. It's

1:06:23

a big... Yeah,

1:06:27

that's, you know, look, Joe

1:06:29

Montana never made like...and Brock, he's not

1:06:31

Joe Montana, but Joe Montana never like

1:06:34

made these like, you know, Justin

1:06:36

Herbert type throws where it was like, oh man,

1:06:38

like look at that amazing arm. Like he got

1:06:40

the ball to people in

1:06:42

space and he understood Walsh's offense and

1:06:44

there was no like discussion back

1:06:46

then of like, oh, you know, Joe Montana was

1:06:49

a third round pick. Like he'll never be

1:06:51

the diners answer. Like, was just like, no, this dude is

1:06:53

getting it done. Just a big

1:06:55

part of me feels like sometimes

1:06:57

analytics and fantasy football has clouded like what we're

1:07:00

actually seeing right in front of us, which

1:07:02

is like, hey, does this person recognize

1:07:04

where the blitz was coming from? Does he put the ball

1:07:06

in plans with Playmaker? What more actually are

1:07:08

we asking for here from a quarterback? You know,

1:07:10

like the fun thing about all that matters. Yeah,

1:07:12

yeah. Fun thing about the NFL is you

1:07:14

can view it however you want. If you want to jerk

1:07:17

off over stats, there are more

1:07:19

than enough stats now for you to do so.

1:07:22

All right. A little discussion

1:07:24

where we've had a lot of quarterback talk here, but

1:07:26

I just want to hit on a few more because

1:07:28

I think obviously, quarterbacking drives a

1:07:31

lot of what success and what's enjoyment

1:07:33

about a team. Mr. Lamar

1:07:35

Jackson, likely the MVP of

1:07:38

LAM. I was actually

1:07:40

a little bit more skeptical about LAM than

1:07:43

you guys were. I think it was the

1:07:45

start of the year. This is

1:07:47

always in a LAM house. Maybe

1:07:49

it's just a function of being in this town and hearing

1:07:52

the sort of daily like ups and downs

1:07:54

of Lamar's contract

1:07:56

stuff that kind of soured me a

1:07:58

little bit. Played pretty well. darn great.

1:08:00

I think one of the things that maybe hasn't been

1:08:02

discussed enough is how Lamar

1:08:05

kind of learned to scramble

1:08:08

around but then not basically

1:08:11

like just take off whenever to sort

1:08:13

of scramble to make space to make

1:08:16

plays within the system. To

1:08:18

not necessarily think like, alright, fuck

1:08:20

it. First and second read is not

1:08:23

there and I'm just going to go. I

1:08:26

played really good at that Jags game TC. I know

1:08:28

you were there in person. First

1:08:30

time I think seeing him in person.

1:08:32

Give me your thoughts on what it

1:08:34

was like to watch him live. Yeah,

1:08:36

just scrambling to throw it

1:08:39

and I don't know, just the way

1:08:41

he uses his blockers and sets things up. It

1:08:43

was so impressive. We

1:08:45

were sitting kind of one of the

1:08:47

corners so you could kind of see down

1:08:49

the field and just watching him work horizontally

1:08:51

and set things up was fantastic.

1:08:55

He might have broken the Jags.

1:08:57

Yeah, it certainly helps that he's

1:08:59

got some real receivers now with

1:09:01

Zae Flowers and you know,

1:09:03

Beckham and Mark Andrews

1:09:05

likely looks good like they're using

1:09:07

him well. I think

1:09:09

Zae Flowers is low key.

1:09:11

Like I know Lamar's

1:09:15

the MVP of that team but I think

1:09:17

Zae unlocked Lamar. He has

1:09:19

made Lamar so much more dangerous just

1:09:22

because with how shifty Zae is,

1:09:26

you can't really cover him one on

1:09:28

one and then when you

1:09:30

got to devote more resources to

1:09:33

kind of keeping him in check, it

1:09:35

just gives Lamar more field to operate.

1:09:38

They are such, like the

1:09:40

last couple years playing the Ravens

1:09:42

twice a year, sometimes three times a

1:09:44

year in the playoffs, they weren't, even

1:09:47

with Lamar back there, they weren't the

1:09:49

most scary offense because you knew you

1:09:51

could spy Lamar. It was all

1:09:55

about stopping Lamar and keeping him in

1:09:57

check and now with Zae, it's just

1:09:59

like Holy shit, there's this dynamic playmaker

1:10:02

that they can get in space and

1:10:04

I just feel like he has elevated

1:10:06

that offense Incredibly and they have the

1:10:08

coaching staff to actually get him in

1:10:11

space and do and and they have

1:10:13

better minds It's crazy Such

1:10:16

a bummer that Keaton Mitchell got hurt too. I feel

1:10:18

like they were just starting to really unlock him without

1:10:21

a reading Without looking

1:10:23

and any of you guys tell me how many catches

1:10:25

and yards Odell Beckham had this year probably

1:10:28

like 37 I Don't

1:10:30

know maybe five yard yards

1:10:32

receiving 35

1:10:35

catches for five hundred sixty-five yards and I

1:10:37

will say this he did not hear peep

1:10:40

out of him all year No, no bitching

1:10:42

no sort of drama. No, you know outside

1:10:44

of Football stuff is affecting

1:10:46

like I think you know They

1:10:48

I think in a lot of ways an underrated element

1:10:51

of the fact that they signed back on paid him

1:10:53

14 million or whatever This year, but I

1:10:55

think that convinced Lamar like alright, like maybe

1:10:58

this is the best situation for me Whatever

1:11:00

guaranteed money I'm gonna get you sort of

1:11:02

that moment changed the tenor of the whole

1:11:04

Ravens offseason Because Lamar was finally

1:11:06

like oh, yeah, and Beckham obviously

1:11:08

has been Fine not I

1:11:10

don't think you'd be thrilled if you paid someone

1:11:13

14 million bucks and got 35 catches out of

1:11:15

them But I think it just sort of rewrote

1:11:17

the narrative a little bit of offense You know

1:11:19

probably just helped them kind of

1:11:21

be seen a little bit differently And so it's

1:11:24

an obviously that turned out to be a 14 million dollars Because

1:11:27

you know, it just sort of was like hey, we're

1:11:30

gonna have weapons everywhere we're not gonna rely on Zay

1:11:32

to be like the number one guy or Parryman

1:11:34

to be the number one guy or or Andrews like

1:11:36

we're just kind of basically give Lamar weapons

1:11:39

at every position and a

1:11:41

couple times this year Beckham has played had, you know

1:11:43

decent games and made

1:11:46

a big play but he's never been like asked to

1:11:49

Be that dude that he was like with the Giants or

1:11:51

even with the Browns and I've been kind of impressed with

1:11:53

that He hasn't he's been able to

1:11:55

accept that as his role. It

1:11:57

seems like they say like they're having

1:11:59

fun And they seem like a big part of

1:12:01

that of like he plays with joy. He's

1:12:03

always having fun on the sidelines the celebrations

1:12:06

Like they're not they're not a distraction.

1:12:08

They're like attitudes. Like it just seems like everybody's rowing

1:12:10

in the same direction Now I

1:12:12

will say the playoffs are gonna be an important thing

1:12:14

is considering the kind of egg that they laid against

1:12:16

the Titans years Ago in their MVP year when they

1:12:18

were there once but push I know you got the

1:12:21

thoughts here. Yeah an underrated aspect

1:12:24

was Odell going into in being

1:12:26

the kind of One of those late

1:12:28

season after those mid-season ads for the Rams

1:12:30

that you know, they end up winning

1:12:32

a Super Bowl So he kind of has this, you know,

1:12:35

he got injured in the Super Bowl, but they still you

1:12:37

know He was he was actually kind of tearing it up

1:12:39

before he got hurt and then You

1:12:41

bring that kind of Super Bowl Swagger

1:12:44

into that team and like yo, you know

1:12:46

a guy with the confidence that confidence level

1:12:48

I've been there. I got the ring I

1:12:52

think that does matter especially

1:12:54

on a team that Is

1:12:56

fairly young it feels like and doesn't

1:12:58

have a ton of those like veteran

1:13:00

veteran guys on it that have

1:13:02

been there and done that and just

1:13:04

didn't you know go back to what ball

1:13:06

nor Randy was saying I think what they did against the

1:13:10

The Niners really nicely is that when because

1:13:12

they're such a dangerous running team to keep

1:13:14

teams in base their base

1:13:16

defense and then that gets they

1:13:18

get they flowers out of the

1:13:20

slot matched up with like linebackers and safeties

1:13:22

and he's way too quick So

1:13:25

against the Niners they had him they had Fred Warner

1:13:27

trying to cover him in space a lot of times

1:13:29

in zone And it was like impossible. It was impossible.

1:13:31

He's just too fast. And so Lamar

1:13:34

was really and they said it and I think

1:13:37

Fred said it and after

1:13:39

afterwards He's like we didn't expect

1:13:41

Lamar to be going first Quick

1:13:44

game the whole game and just taking the

1:13:46

underneath over and over and over again Instead of trying to

1:13:48

push it or trying to break the pocket and do They

1:13:51

were concerned about him breaking the pocket and trying to keep

1:13:53

him, you know Bottled up and instead

1:13:55

he was just thinking and dunking and

1:13:57

eating up all the underneath stuff I think that's the progression

1:14:00

of what in the evolution of what Lamar has

1:14:02

become as he's Able and

1:14:04

willing to take what's available as

1:14:06

opposed to trying to make the splashy big

1:14:08

play All right guys a

1:14:10

real quick like I want to just hit real quick on

1:14:13

on a couple other quarter Herbert and burrow

1:14:15

I think both hurt all year They're

1:14:17

just gonna turn it real quick to you like on

1:14:19

thoughts on burrow like it, you know Any

1:14:22

concern there just sort of an injury lost

1:14:24

season? Well, yeah,

1:14:26

it sucks lost season I'm

1:14:29

gonna speak on behalf of burrow nation 2024

1:14:33

is gonna be we're gonna we're gonna ignore

1:14:35

we don't care about Justin Herbert anymore I

1:14:38

don't think Justin Herbert has done anything to

1:14:40

warrant like he can just go over and

1:14:42

do his thing. That's fine You got

1:14:44

a hero. Oh We got

1:14:46

a look inward. We got a we got

1:14:48

to have a healthy offseason We got to

1:14:50

have a full training camp and we got

1:14:52

to make sure you know, we're starting 16

1:14:54

games Hopefully taking the last

1:14:57

week off But we got to

1:14:59

make sure we're starting 16 games at least

1:15:01

next season. It's borderline concerning

1:15:03

all these all these injury

1:15:05

issues But we

1:15:07

expect a clean bill of health come

1:15:09

springtime. I think the wrist thing was

1:15:11

a little bit freak You

1:15:14

know, what are you gonna do about that? All

1:15:16

right fair enough there. All right

1:15:19

guys, we're not gonna mention, you know,

1:15:21

Herbert's place in any rankings No,

1:15:24

I don't want to talk about Herbert I'm Herbert. Yes

1:15:27

Herber might be a coach killer, you know, he needs to get

1:15:29

his own house in order before I

1:15:31

think Herbert's just got to do a lot more before

1:15:33

we start talking about him again Yeah

1:15:35

for sure if Jim Harbaugh ends up in LA that

1:15:38

would be worthy of talking about, you know Can he

1:15:40

fix Herbert or can he make him was that a

1:15:42

clean true today? I don't Can't

1:15:46

imagine sick that would

1:15:48

be like seriously like a violation all

1:15:51

kinds of Yeah. All

1:15:54

right, Bryce young guys historically

1:15:56

one of the worst yards

1:15:59

per temp seasons in NFL history, 5.5, a true,

1:16:03

nebbish, dinking and dunking year. Look,

1:16:07

Push, I'm gonna throw this to you. Were

1:16:10

the Panthers just so bad that we can't actually

1:16:12

evaluate Bryce Young, or is he

1:16:14

just really gonna basically spend the

1:16:17

rest of his career making people wonder, like, how did

1:16:19

they pass on CJ Stroud to take Bryce Young? Yeah,

1:16:22

I mean, I think admittedly, a

1:16:24

very nebbish man, a

1:16:26

tiny little man, but- We. An

1:16:29

L. Pocket-sized quarterback, yeah, but he,

1:16:32

that team is bad, okay? And

1:16:35

the owner is not a good dude.

1:16:38

Go down that roster on that offensive side of

1:16:40

the ball and tell me one

1:16:43

legitimate player on that entire team. I

1:16:45

think Adam Thelen is your best wide

1:16:47

receiver. Guy's like

1:16:49

33. Old, Adam Thelen. Old, yeah. 33, like, come

1:16:51

on. Chuba's not bad.

1:16:53

I think Chuba's fine. Chuba's fine. Can I

1:16:56

ask a question though, Push? Mr.

1:16:58

Push Balnar, what's Bryce

1:17:00

Young, this is what I've never understood about

1:17:02

Bryce Young, what's Bryce Young supposed to be?

1:17:05

Because he's not, he's not Kyler, right?

1:17:07

He's not that physical. He's not that

1:17:09

fast. Yeah, he's supposed to

1:17:11

be Brock Purdy, I'm guessing, like

1:17:14

a processor, kind of, you know, an

1:17:16

under- Can you imagine, Push,

1:17:18

if Bryce Young had had- But can you imagine

1:17:20

what one of the highlights I

1:17:23

hope he's Drew. Coming over that. If

1:17:26

Brock, if he had had even three

1:17:28

quarters of Brock Purdy's season, people would be like,

1:17:30

yeah, this guy's the one. The

1:17:32

next great one, yeah. That'll

1:17:35

show you how ridiculous draft position is in

1:17:37

terms of like people's perception of someone forever.

1:17:40

My whole, admittedly, my

1:17:43

whole analysis of Bryce

1:17:45

was that I watched him, and I said

1:17:47

this before, he seemed like he had that,

1:17:49

the gene of being able to like really come up in

1:17:52

the big moments, wasn't too big for him. I

1:17:54

kind of just found the fact that I thought he

1:17:56

was the best option in that draft because I didn't

1:17:58

think Stroud, and I'll admit- it, hand

1:18:00

up. I didn't think Stroud was as good

1:18:02

as he's going to be, as big as

1:18:04

he is. He's really, really good. Also

1:18:07

Kyle. And Kyle, yeah, with

1:18:10

Slick. And so, who

1:18:12

might leave now? So he might go to over

1:18:14

to Carolina. So we'll see. But

1:18:17

yeah, I think that, you know, Bryce

1:18:19

obviously limited. I think

1:18:21

that's, I think that he's another Mr. Limited.

1:18:23

I think that that's going to be an

1:18:26

issue for him. And I

1:18:28

mean, I don't know, it's tough. It's a tough spot.

1:18:30

I want to give them one more year just to

1:18:32

see what they can do. If they can put a

1:18:34

proper offense behind it, give them some pieces,

1:18:37

see if he can at least be a

1:18:40

middling, you know, system guy,

1:18:42

game manager. If not, then yeah,

1:18:45

I'll take the big L on that one. Why did

1:18:47

they play him right away? Like, why not sit him

1:18:49

for half a year? If, you know, physicality

1:18:51

is a part of the concern, like, I

1:18:53

don't know, maybe, maybe right. They were like

1:18:55

a good

1:18:58

defense and they legitimately thought, Hey, like

1:19:00

we can sooner to last year, right?

1:19:02

Like, Hey, we can get this thing. We said

1:19:06

in our preview, they might be a surprise team because

1:19:08

we thought their defense was going to be better, but

1:19:11

they were not. It's

1:19:15

hard. It's hard in our

1:19:17

position. It's hard to really

1:19:20

understand Tepper's influence, I feel

1:19:22

like. And now that could

1:19:24

sour things all

1:19:26

throughout that. He was allegedly

1:19:29

texting the coaches about Bryce Young's

1:19:31

footwork. Right. According to the

1:19:33

athletics, the coaches are distracted. It sounds

1:19:35

like Tepper kind of tries to split

1:19:37

the coaches against each other. You know,

1:19:39

it just

1:19:42

sounds like a horrendous, horrendous situation. A

1:19:44

lot of rumblings that like every decision

1:19:46

in the organization has to be run

1:19:49

through him. Yeah, not good over there. But I

1:19:51

still don't, I still don't really see it with Bryce.

1:19:54

I don't want that point to get lost. Well,

1:19:57

I always think it's hard when you have a person in your

1:19:59

draft class. So you get compared to so

1:20:01

let's real quick hit on CJ Stroud who I

1:20:03

think kind of exceeded all of our expectations Even

1:20:06

though you guys did say that you and

1:20:08

Randy TC both said that you thought Stroud was

1:20:10

the better quarterback. I Right

1:20:13

from the very first he played the Ravens earlier in

1:20:15

the year and had a really I thought I

1:20:18

just saw a guy Who was like looking at his

1:20:20

first read second read had really good fundamentals really good

1:20:22

footwork I texted Mina right from the start

1:20:25

and I was like this kid's gonna have a great year Watch

1:20:27

like watch some tape on this because I really

1:20:30

feel like he gets a lot

1:20:32

of the Fundamental things that are

1:20:34

important to playing quarterback. He's not

1:20:36

a freelancer. He's like, you know, let me go through

1:20:38

my progressions I just believe she can

1:20:40

see you in the playoffs. Yeah, I see he's talking about we have

1:20:42

a Super Bowl team I don't think they're quite there But

1:20:45

man, what a surprise what a joy to

1:20:47

see him play pretty darn well Yeah No,

1:20:49

I think it's I think the other thing

1:20:52

too is think a stereo and Swellick

1:20:54

and the gang deserve a lot of credit for

1:20:56

cobbling together Really good

1:20:59

receiving core like Nico Collins

1:21:01

tank Dell Dalton Schultz

1:21:03

single carry out of the backfield You

1:21:06

know Damien Pierce like there's there's a lot of

1:21:08

pretty good like Robert Woods. They're like

1:21:10

good good veteran. Oh, yeah Yeah,

1:21:13

there's a lot of you know, like Metchie hasn't

1:21:15

really come on But you know

1:21:17

a lot of good options there big physical

1:21:20

wide receivers. Yeah, I don't

1:21:22

know I didn't see I didn't see that sort of

1:21:24

turnaround coming from the Texans quite this early D'Amico

1:21:27

Ryan's, you know, obviously deserves a ton of credit

1:21:29

just from a culture perspective as well I would

1:21:31

say one other thing like it's

1:21:34

not just CJ Stroud It's like I think

1:21:36

if I think if Richardson doesn't get hurt

1:21:38

like we're sitting here talking about Richardson to

1:21:40

like Richardson wasn't Fucking dynamo

1:21:42

the first little bit

1:21:45

right. I mean he was pretty he was a lot

1:21:47

more dynamic and Explosives I think

1:21:49

we thought he was gonna be right. Well, I

1:21:51

brandy drafted him first in his fancy thing

1:21:53

It's any you know, he's gonna rush for twenty

1:21:55

five yard already dollars fifteen hundred yard rusher. I

1:21:58

don't know. Well, I I would like to see

1:22:01

more of Richton before I make a certification

1:22:03

on that because it seemed like he would make a

1:22:05

lot of crazy throws. But right

1:22:07

now, would you take Bryce Young or Anthony

1:22:09

Richardson? Oh, I would take Richardson.

1:22:11

I think if you've shown that you're in NABISH

1:22:14

in the NFL, you are working

1:22:16

way against the current for the rest of

1:22:18

your life. I think with that, the lesson

1:22:20

learned is that you just always take the

1:22:22

higher ceiling quarterback. I think that's- Certainly

1:22:25

high. You don't want to burn any draft picks on

1:22:27

a guy who's we. Yeah. Because

1:22:30

you can get real- The narrative can

1:22:32

be real damaging. And narrative matters for

1:22:34

a quarterback, right? That's why I

1:22:36

was saying maybe they should have sat him for the first part of

1:22:38

the year because they know they would have given him a home. Like

1:22:40

the fan base are like, oh, we sucked the first part of the

1:22:42

year. When are we going to play young? Okay,

1:22:45

well now, Nike doesn't have a full season. Man,

1:22:47

we've already had a full season at Bryce Young and

1:22:49

we know it was really bad. So,

1:22:51

I don't know. Narrative can

1:22:53

have an impact on the quarterback's career. I

1:22:56

still contend that Ryan Leaf had all

1:22:58

the physical tools to

1:23:01

be a really good NFL quarterback, but the

1:23:03

narrative quickly shifted and then he threw a

1:23:05

tantrum and as he would attest, it

1:23:08

got bad quickly and there was no recovering from it

1:23:10

after screaming at that reporter in the locker room that

1:23:12

day. All right,

1:23:14

let's run through real quick. I'm going

1:23:16

to hit on these. I don't think you guys can offer commentary

1:23:18

or not, but I went back and listened to

1:23:20

our first episode of the year. I think there was some sort of

1:23:22

fun nuggets in here. I

1:23:25

asked you guys who was the best franchise

1:23:27

in the NFL, you thought. PC, you threw out

1:23:29

the Steelers right away. Said, you

1:23:31

know, they just, and so did

1:23:33

you, Big. Basically, you said, you know, they have a

1:23:36

culture, they have hard nose and

1:23:38

a boot collar. It's their retail sometimes, but the

1:23:41

Steelers continue to have sort of a consistent

1:23:43

presence and the Steelers yet again, made playoffs

1:23:45

this year when they- You know what? They

1:23:48

really had some terrible performances at the quarterback earlier this

1:23:50

year. Kind of impressive, I gotta say. I'm

1:23:53

reneging my support. Of

1:23:55

the Steelers. Wow. A

1:23:58

trend of wow. Well, just because of the whole- Matt

1:24:00

Canada thing and you

1:24:03

know, there's some malcontent like it's so impressive

1:24:05

the way that you know Tomlin

1:24:07

deals with malcontents up there like

1:24:09

George Pickens for instance but

1:24:11

I will say like the fact that they whiffed

1:24:13

so hard on Kenny Pickett and they have

1:24:15

Mitch Trubisky as their backup and You

1:24:18

know like it's impressive that they made the playoffs

1:24:21

with those dudes starting but also like it's it's

1:24:23

pretty damning that You

1:24:25

know the whole offensive coordinator situation up there for

1:24:27

the last few years. It's just been You

1:24:30

know emblematic of not a well-run organization. So I'm

1:24:32

gonna fill my support behind Under

1:24:34

all Niners. Thank you ball. No RTC push

1:24:36

you throughout the Niners obviously is one of

1:24:39

the best run organizations But during that discussion

1:24:41

I mean we were some

1:24:43

praise of solid I said solid a good coach

1:24:45

But I think the Jets have a chance to

1:24:47

totally implode this season You never know what can

1:24:49

happen with Aaron Rodgers, you know hat

1:24:51

tip to myself there as we saw

1:24:53

what happened with that I still think it'd

1:24:55

be interesting to see when that the Jets might implode when

1:24:57

Aaron Rodgers is healthy Because Aaron Rodgers

1:25:00

cannot help himself Making himself

1:25:02

the the main character in the every

1:25:04

every day in the NFL Big you pointed

1:25:07

out that the Chiefs might be might

1:25:09

have some poison running with their franchise You know

1:25:11

Chiefs of Hollick and Jackson Mahomes you brought up

1:25:14

Perhaps were a sign of things to come we didn't

1:25:16

even know about Taylor Swift's influence And

1:25:18

Brittany Mahomes and the friendship at that point TC

1:25:20

that dumped into you saying at some point in

1:25:22

the year that the Chiefs Were not serious contenders.

1:25:25

You were laughed all day

1:25:27

on Twitter people laughing at the youth Somehow

1:25:29

we're talking about that. You did not know

1:25:31

ball. We were talking about I

1:25:33

think that the Chiefs performance proved you right throughout

1:25:35

the year Yeah, the Chiefs like they should

1:25:37

be embarrassed What they're

1:25:39

also scared. They're gonna make a run

1:25:45

You gotta plunge the dagger through the harder otherwise it's

1:25:47

yeah, they're They

1:25:49

may they may be hard to kill having

1:25:51

you know, they're gonna be they're gonna beat

1:25:53

Miami I think that we know

1:25:55

that but it's maybe it's like a

1:25:57

four linebackers out with injury. Okay They

1:26:00

lost both their ends are out like corner

1:26:02

one of their corners is out there in

1:26:05

the office dolphins TC

1:26:07

you said earlier in the year that Matt Canada

1:26:09

might be just a total trash Offensive coordinator and

1:26:11

that that would catch up with them and then

1:26:13

pointed out pick its little hands You

1:26:15

called you called out your friend Ryan Burr in that

1:26:18

first thing. I hope you're not listening Ryan

1:26:21

Ryan deleted the tweet he did Sorry

1:26:24

to see that you know, we don't we messed up not

1:26:26

we're about TC. We stand by our takes I

1:26:29

said the Steelers might be the dish of the NFL Randy. I know

1:26:31

that resonate with you as a guy But

1:26:33

they might not be your favorite, but they're consistent. You have

1:26:35

to kind of Grudgingly admire

1:26:37

their success. Do you see you said

1:26:40

that they flowers would be a stud Really

1:26:42

the Ravens Ravens best offensive weapon 77 balls for 888 yards

1:26:44

and five TDs We

1:26:48

a lot of talk about the Cardinals are gonna be tanking. I don't

1:26:51

think the Cardinals tanked I think the Cardinals actually fought

1:26:54

pretty hard We're pretty good most of

1:26:56

the year they were frisky I predicted they'd go to

1:26:58

in 15 they actually went 4 and 13 but and

1:27:00

they didn't play Kyler I think we thought that they

1:27:02

might sit Kyler because they were trying to kind of

1:27:04

get a Worst record but to

1:27:06

their credit and to his credit I guess they they

1:27:09

played him the rest of the year and Okay,

1:27:11

the car the cards and this is a Simmons

1:27:13

tape But it was I think

1:27:15

that he was right is that it's the

1:27:17

best kind of 4 and 13 that you

1:27:19

could possibly be where? The team is really

1:27:21

frisky Kyler showed enough they're right in

1:27:23

line to get an app type editor

1:27:25

and Marvin Harrison and If

1:27:28

they put him in the West for the next 10 years, that's

1:27:30

a problem So yeah, good. They're

1:27:32

in a good spot. The team played hard for

1:27:34

Gannon If you no one got indicted no one

1:27:36

was used accused of using a burner phone So

1:27:39

that was good progress for the Cardinals. Yeah from

1:27:41

that. Yeah, I did say the McCaffrey I thought

1:27:43

was gonna be the MVP thought the Nires would

1:27:45

just feed him through the whole season

1:27:47

I feel like that still has a pretty good chance to come

1:27:49

true. Do you see you said that

1:27:51

Kyle Hamilton was gonna have a Huge year. I

1:27:54

think I'll Sambleton might have been the best. I

1:27:56

don't know about best defensive player But certainly the

1:27:58

best secondary player in football this year. So Shout

1:28:00

out to the Maris school. Thank you for that

1:28:02

Randy. You said that Campbell would be the coach

1:28:04

of the year I think that has

1:28:06

a pretty good chance of coming to work Hey,

1:28:09

look Maybe if

1:28:11

he wasn't you know sending in three guys trying

1:28:13

to you know Pretend like they're eligible on one

1:28:15

play that they would have stolen that game against

1:28:18

the Cowboys You also said

1:28:20

big that if Jefferson gets hurt, I think with

1:28:22

the Vikings could have a crater year hard

1:28:25

to kind of give a Jefferson

1:28:27

got hurt before I

1:28:29

think O'Connell and then studied the ship

1:28:31

and they did they were a lot

1:28:33

first year like Brian Flores did an

1:28:35

awesome job with that Defense I think

1:28:37

the house though. I like

1:28:39

O'Connell. I'm gonna throw my way behind saying I think

1:28:43

From success. I think I'm with you I

1:28:45

think last year it was easy and I

1:28:47

was guilty of just you know They won

1:28:49

so many coin flip games that you

1:28:52

just thought it was a mirage, but I

1:28:54

was impressed Yeah, they didn't go away nearly

1:28:56

as much as they could have after the

1:28:58

Cousins injury and then Jefferson getting hurt on

1:29:00

top of that They were they

1:29:03

were frisky the whole the whole year through As

1:29:06

we talked about in a previous chapter, we did sort of

1:29:08

predict the Josh McDaniel firing people

1:29:10

did not sort of Think

1:29:12

that we were on that one, but we were sniffing

1:29:15

that one I think out priori earlier that just he's

1:29:17

a he is not a head coach Unless

1:29:19

I don't know they make him the head coach

1:29:22

when Bill moves on I will say

1:29:24

that McDaniel is pretty good off the coordinator for

1:29:26

whatever reason. He is just not a culture guy.

1:29:28

He cannot handle like Basically,

1:29:30

you know all the shit that happened

1:29:32

with the Raiders that they fucking hated clearly because he

1:29:35

played a lot harder once he was gone What

1:29:38

we got wrong man allegedly

1:29:41

Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah a push here You said early

1:29:43

on that you were trying to get some some

1:29:46

lines to D'Amico and tell him not to take

1:29:48

the Texans job That there

1:29:50

was a steer clear situation, but that was

1:29:52

that guy's name there was the there was

1:29:55

advising The

1:29:57

Texas owner the chaplain after

1:30:00

Jack, Jack Easterby. Yeah. Yeah. One of

1:30:02

my favorite stories in NFL history. That's

1:30:04

a pastor took over the NFL team

1:30:07

and tanked the shit out of

1:30:09

them. And truly

1:30:12

unprecedented NFL history. Pusche

1:30:14

said that we're just MVP discussion that hurts could

1:30:17

potentially be the MVP. Although you said you didn't

1:30:19

think he deserved to be. You said that if

1:30:21

the Eagles had a really good record that hurts

1:30:24

might get a lot of MVP. I think that was proving

1:30:26

true because he was. So I

1:30:28

can't wait to say we got that one wrong. But because

1:30:30

I think her tattle out of MVP discussion when

1:30:33

they were 10 and one. TC

1:30:35

you said that Trevor would be an MVP candidate.

1:30:37

I think Calvin Ridley as

1:30:39

discussed would be an absolute predator. You

1:30:45

also said Kevin Stefansi fucking stinks

1:30:47

straight up a lot of brown

1:30:49

fans apology time. Yeah, no, you

1:30:52

know what? No, I'm still out

1:30:54

on Stefanski. What? I think sports

1:30:56

is bawling out on this team.

1:30:58

I think Stefanski is just along

1:31:00

for the ride. I don't think

1:31:02

he thinks but I think he

1:31:04

might. He might say right.

1:31:07

He unpacked Joe Flacco. He basically was like, you

1:31:09

know what? This guy's one of the great play

1:31:11

action people of like the last

1:31:13

25 years. Why don't I just run play action

1:31:15

with him? I think you should have stuck with

1:31:17

Dorian Thompson Robinson. Wow. Now

1:31:20

we're just about to take nonsense.

1:31:22

This is yeah.

1:31:25

I would agree with all of us said

1:31:27

that commanders could be a surprise team. If

1:31:30

Sam Howe was good. Sam Howe literally

1:31:32

might have been like the

1:31:34

worst full time quarterback in the NFL this year

1:31:37

like through four picks. Sam

1:31:39

is sacked like 60 times. Ritter

1:31:41

was bad. Howe

1:31:43

was not good. I mean Howe showed some flashes but

1:31:46

no, not these things. You

1:31:49

know, just in terms of our draft, Randy, you took the

1:31:51

Jets for the second pick of the draft. I feel like

1:31:53

that's kind of unfair because who knows? They

1:31:55

probably would have been better with Roger. You're not A-Rodge

1:31:57

exactly. They still sucked I think.

1:31:59

I think there were still a lot of flaws

1:32:01

in that team that people didn't really realize as

1:32:04

evidence. People talk about this like historic defense. All

1:32:06

they needed to do is like hang in there.

1:32:08

Another defense got boat race like a bunch of

1:32:11

the games that mattered. They were not.

1:32:13

It's hard when your offense can literally can't move the

1:32:15

ball, but I don't think the Jets were that great. I'm

1:32:18

still standing by. I think Zach Wilson could be a

1:32:20

good quarterback in this. Wow. Okay.

1:32:24

I don't know what evidence we have to support that in

1:32:26

any way, shape or form. It doesn't involve BYU games.

1:32:28

He flashed. He flashed in

1:32:30

the couple of games. In

1:32:33

our draft, I took the Chargers when I could have taken the

1:32:36

Cowboys. I don't know why. I think

1:32:38

Brandon Staley fooled me bad. I used to think he was like

1:32:40

a, at least like a fun. And

1:32:43

I think Kellen Moore. I think Kellen Moore's

1:32:45

got to take some. You know, he was.

1:32:47

I'm glad to let it go finally got got to. I

1:32:50

feel like the analytic people love them

1:32:52

some Kellen Moore. That's true. At

1:32:55

the beginning of your eye, I apologize for saying that

1:32:57

vanilla Vick sucked that he actually had a good year.

1:32:59

And it turned out that vanilla Vick did suck. So

1:33:02

I feel like that's like the Mongolian reversal

1:33:04

situation where like I, you know, apologize and

1:33:06

I shouldn't have before we

1:33:09

get to the, the playoff predictions this

1:33:11

year. And then perhaps super bowl prediction. I

1:33:13

just want to run through real quick. The

1:33:16

open jobs in the NFL. If

1:33:18

you were a college coach, if you were Jim Harbaugh and

1:33:20

you had your pick of these, which you probably wouldn't because

1:33:23

not everybody wants to deal with Jim Harbaugh. What

1:33:25

would you rank amongst these openings? Currently

1:33:28

the openings are the Falcons, the Chargers,

1:33:30

the Panthers, the Raiders and the commanders

1:33:33

and the potential that the bears and the Patriots

1:33:35

are still out there to come open big. I'll

1:33:38

start with you. What would you pick as

1:33:41

one of these teams? Where would you rank

1:33:43

these franchises real quick? Well, I can

1:33:45

now report Mike Rabel has officials and fired.

1:33:48

Whoa. Wow. Breaking

1:33:50

news. The ball knower's. Yeah.

1:33:53

He's boy. He's D I've been holding

1:33:55

out to get able to go to

1:33:58

New England. Ryan

1:34:00

Day though, people didn't talk about buck tech

1:34:03

hire Rabel for years. I have

1:34:05

young ball knowers outside

1:34:07

my office all a flutter. I

1:34:10

heard that Rabel had to get a popsicle in

1:34:12

the solarite. Yeah, KV,

1:34:14

you know, I think the easy

1:34:17

choice is probably the chargers just

1:34:19

because Herbert's the most known quantity

1:34:21

at quarterback. But I

1:34:23

think it's actually the Falcons. I

1:34:26

think that the division is perpetually

1:34:28

up for grabs. There's no dynamite

1:34:30

quarterback in that division. I think

1:34:32

by and large, it seems like

1:34:35

Arthur Blank is a pretty good

1:34:37

owner. They definitely have

1:34:39

some offensive pieces. Give

1:34:42

me that over the Dean Spano,

1:34:44

the chargers. You

1:34:48

know, the chargers have no home

1:34:50

field in LA. They have

1:34:52

no fan base. I think there are some. I

1:34:56

think there are some roadblocks. Major

1:34:59

cap issues coming down the pike. Yeah,

1:35:01

so I'll take the Falcons. Okay.

1:35:04

Do you see what would you rank

1:35:06

the franchises? Got

1:35:09

a part of me is like, man, you could do some money

1:35:12

stuff with the Bears with that stockpile

1:35:14

of picks and stuff, but you got to

1:35:16

deal with the McCasky family and Kevin Warren

1:35:18

sounds like a complete lunatic.

1:35:21

I'm gonna go Falcons. I

1:35:23

agree there. I think it's a good base.

1:35:25

Get off into the line. Defense is

1:35:27

much improved. Get another pass rusher in there

1:35:30

and a quarterback. You're

1:35:32

cooking with gas and a bad division. And

1:35:34

then I think a division that's going to be bad for a

1:35:36

while. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like

1:35:40

at what point are the Saints going

1:35:42

to get this shit together? Like finally just

1:35:44

cut bait with some of these guys and

1:35:46

like, you know, eat the dead

1:35:48

cap stuff or like the Panthers. There's no way

1:35:50

out of this for the next two or three

1:35:53

years. Right. It's a good question

1:35:55

that people ask of New Orleans people all the time.

1:35:57

When are you going to get your shit together? When

1:35:59

are you going to just go stuff floating through? life.

1:36:01

Mr. Balnar Pusch, what would you say would be the

1:36:03

top job here that you'd want? The

1:36:06

Falcons are not, I think, a good choice. I

1:36:09

would go with the commanders though. I think the

1:36:12

new ownership, Josh

1:36:15

Harris bringing in Bob Myers. That's

1:36:17

inspiring. That's some trap draw thinking right there.

1:36:20

I like that. I like that. And bringing

1:36:22

Condi Rice too. I know. Where is Condi

1:36:24

on that? It's kind of like when the

1:36:26

Browns hired the the money

1:36:29

ball guy. Yeah. Deep

1:36:31

Podesta. Deep Podesta. That's right. And they

1:36:33

have the second pick. So they

1:36:36

have, you know, argue they can go get Drake May

1:36:38

or whoever is the set, you know, the next quarterback

1:36:40

up. You get your franchise quarterback.

1:36:43

Hopefully you got the pieces. You know, I think

1:36:45

that, you know, the commanders have got some pieces.

1:36:47

They got some wide receivers. They

1:36:49

got some guys on defense that are okay.

1:36:52

And it's basically a blank slate like,

1:36:54

hey, here you go. The bar is

1:36:56

real low. You

1:36:59

know, no one's expecting you to be incredibly

1:37:01

good. You are in the east of the

1:37:03

tough division, but any success would

1:37:05

seemingly be a major

1:37:07

positive and you probably get some goodwill on your side.

1:37:10

And I think everyone's so beaten

1:37:12

down from the Dan Snyder era that just

1:37:14

any sort of fresh positivity would

1:37:16

go a long way. So I'd take

1:37:19

the commanders. Interesting that none of us

1:37:21

threw the Patriots out there. I

1:37:23

think everybody thinks that Bill is probably not

1:37:25

going to return there, but I don't know.

1:37:28

Do you think the successor is? It's a

1:37:30

great question. Like, I think he

1:37:32

threw it in our chat today. Like, what if, what

1:37:35

if Kraft just threw a curve ball and was like, I'm going to have

1:37:37

Flores be my successor. Basically it's

1:37:39

thumb in the eye to Goodell. Basically

1:37:41

say like, you know what, do whatever I want here.

1:37:45

I don't know. It's, you know, people think like, oh, you

1:37:47

shouldn't follow the guy who's like one of the great guys,

1:37:49

but you know, the last few years have

1:37:51

really been kind of blah. And the fan

1:37:53

base has quickly sort of turned on Bill.

1:37:56

Just shows you how fickle like time is in

1:37:58

the NFL. There's no, this isn't. the

1:38:00

era of Tom Landry getting like eight seasons

1:38:02

to suck and gradually decline. This is like

1:38:04

two years and you're... People

1:38:06

forget that you've won six Super Bowls and that

1:38:09

you need to just go. I

1:38:11

guess it's five actually

1:38:13

because... Do you think Harbaugh is going

1:38:15

to go to the Chargers? I mean it

1:38:17

seems like a pretty fit.

1:38:19

I think Harbaugh might just stay. I mean the

1:38:21

only thing is like if he thinks there's a

1:38:24

bunch of sanctions coming down. He does

1:38:26

like to be a martyr a bit though so he could sort

1:38:28

of say you know, ah but it's just stay here in Michigan

1:38:30

and middle fingers to everybody.

1:38:32

Michigan against everybody. Michigan probably has to

1:38:34

pay him even more money if he's

1:38:37

going to stay now after this. I

1:38:40

just think it's hard though because he's literally at the

1:38:42

top of... There's nowhere

1:38:44

to go anymore, right? I just

1:38:47

find that such a difficult situation

1:38:49

to deal with where

1:38:51

you've built up your alma mater.

1:38:53

Like he bleeds Michigan, Mays and

1:38:55

Blue. He got a 15-0

1:38:58

national championship like okay

1:39:00

go do it again for the next decade.

1:39:03

God that's tough. That

1:39:06

is tough. He wants to be

1:39:08

in the big leagues. Apex Trevizer.

1:39:11

I gotta say Bruce, that story about Volki

1:39:13

and York, Harbaugh saying only men are allowed

1:39:16

in here. York really getting like walked

1:39:18

down there at that point. I think if I was

1:39:20

the owner of the franchise, I'd be like fuck you.

1:39:22

I'll go wherever I want. Like you want your checks

1:39:24

to be signed? Like I'm coming in as a meeting.

1:39:26

He's probably testing this. He fired

1:39:28

him after that. Is Vela checking a

1:39:31

coach next year somewhere? I think so. I

1:39:33

think actually he might see him in Atlanta,

1:39:35

TC. There's a lot of rumbling that he

1:39:37

wants to stay on the east coast and that he...

1:39:40

the Falcons are interested. He

1:39:42

would like to sort of, you know, be

1:39:45

a little bit warmer weather. Doesn't really

1:39:47

want to be all the way out west. Feels like

1:39:49

Blank's a, you know, decent owner. So we'll

1:39:51

see him. Does he join, does he join Peach

1:39:53

Tree? I

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