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everyone. Welcome back to another episode of

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the trashtast podcast. I'm your boy, Joey, and

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I'm with the boys as per usual, and I'm

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with a special guest. Introduce yourself.

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I'm William Mossman. I'm from the garbage flavor

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podcast. We

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have to suck coffee right email. Yeah. We just

1:04

signed in with the EMCA, but we've done

1:06

two of those now. actually Yeah.

1:08

Why? You were the second one. So we did Yeah. Yeah. I

1:10

was the first one. We did it. there's a

1:13

someone commented about how we were performing

1:15

much worse than you guys. Yeah.

1:18

Okay. We started watching you guys, like,

1:20

the same time you and trash days.

1:22

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And it's just funny. I feel like it

1:24

was really funny to get compared. You know,

1:26

because it was not like, you know, when your parents

1:28

get mad at you -- Yeah. Yeah. -- versus when your parents

1:30

get this pointed in you. Yeah. It

1:33

felt like disappointed. Why would you be like your older

1:35

brother? Yeah. So well And so we became

1:37

our older brother fair. Well,

1:39

actually, what I found funny was that you

1:41

actually went on and talked about anime on your

1:43

podcast, which you guys don't do Which is no. We

1:45

don't do that. We didn't do one up on cost. So you

1:47

guys guys are kinda, like, filling the gap of

1:50

what we didn't do. You're you're surpassing

1:52

the older brother. Yes. I

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gotta say, out of all the people on YouTube, the person

1:58

I get, people comment the most,

1:59

like, you look like a budget William Osman.

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You're alright. Yeah. Who always always budget.

2:04

don't know. Maybe that evil British twin or something.

2:06

I don't know. That sounds more exciting.

2:09

Let me say Conner's beard isn't as clean as yours.

2:11

Yeah. Your beard's so clean. Yeah. Yeah. I don't

2:13

have it. I don't know how. That's insane. I don't

2:15

shave anymore. just trim it every

2:18

week. Maybe Yeah. Yeah. Same. I've

2:20

let mine go a little bit right now. I shave.

2:22

It just tears me up. Yeah. So I

2:24

don't. I just trim. Damn. You'll be it so

2:26

good. That's why I'm budget. How

2:28

come you guys not talking about anime anymore? Well,

2:32

there's only so much you can talk about or just start

2:34

going down the road. Like, two of us won't let you

2:36

monetize. Yeah. Two of us are, like, I guess,

2:38

anime YouTube as Joe is an ex anime

2:40

youtuber at this point. And I still

2:42

watch it. Yeah. You still watch it. I still watch it. I just don't

2:44

I just don't talk about it. You know what? You're not funny.

2:46

Joey has Jerry now watches it as

2:48

a hobby. Yeah. You've gone back I've

2:51

actually gone back to watching it as a hobby. As opposed

2:53

to a job. As opposed to because it was a job

2:55

for me for longest time. And then after

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all, I'm just like, I kind of got

2:59

bored of talking about anime -- Mhmm. -- video

3:01

form, but I still enjoy the medium. So it's

3:03

like But, you know, see, here's the YouTuber deliver.

3:05

Mhmm. It's that if you don't make a video on it, then you

3:07

didn't do it. Mhmm. Right? Mhmm. So, you

3:09

know, obviously, my audience clowns on me for

3:11

that, which is, you know, understandable. people

3:14

love fuel day with it. But yeah. I don't

3:16

know. I guess, like I mean, look, because the thing

3:18

is we've always called out those trash test from the beginning.

3:20

Right? And we always called ourselves as

3:22

as an anime pod costs. We've sold it as an

3:24

anime podcast, but I don't think we the intention

3:26

was to talk about anime the

3:28

entire time. Yeah. It's it's I never

3:30

want to talk about that. Yeah. It's just in general, you guys

3:33

have It's like every now and then we'll, like,

3:35

we'll we'll throw it in as a topic. Right. Right.

3:37

But it's not, like, the main focus. Yeah.

3:39

I mean, it's funny because even though it's, like, ongoing

3:42

joke within our own fan base on our own podcast that

3:44

we don't talk about anime. I think it's actually just

3:46

really helped with our branding and I

3:48

definitely noticed this when I went to LA

3:50

and we met you know, a bunch of creators

3:52

including you. And pretty much everyone

3:54

who met was just like, oh, that's

3:57

the link. You're the anime guy. But

3:59

you're like,

3:59

No. Yeah. And so,

4:02

like, every guest we have in LA was just

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like Yes. I don't I don't really like

4:06

to

4:06

watch a lot of anime and we have to somehow

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talk about it at the two thousand

4:09

light. Yeah. No. No,

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we don't. I think because, like, the

4:13

only real, like, anime episode

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we have was probably with, like, Proziti.

4:18

Yeah. Exactly. But then other than that, we've maybe

4:20

mentioned it for, like, five minutes

4:21

at a time. But do you wanna talk about it in minute?

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I

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literally could not care less. Wait.

4:27

About anime or about talking about anime?

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I I okay. Are

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you

4:32

an anime fan, William? Kind of.

4:34

And

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What does that mean? you've stepped

4:37

into the motion. No. No. No. No. That's such

4:39

like a clause that we've kind of like

4:41

things. Most anime is like garbage. Yeah. I

4:43

mean, that's probably why it's like Yeah. Yeah.

4:45

Yeah. Do people actually am mad if you say anime's

4:47

garbage? No. We say it all the time. It's literally What

4:49

do you mean by garbage? You've never heard my I

4:52

guess I'm like And

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it will never again

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Defy Yeah. Defy Defy Defy Why is it

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garbage. I see garbage in my tongue. It

5:03

a lot of times, is very

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cheap. What

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do you mean by that? My shape as in like like,

5:10

they crank it out as quickly as possible. Mhmm.

5:12

And so everything is like they're they're

5:14

sort of cherry picking the most successful trope

5:16

and strategies. Like, instead of making a

5:18

really well fleshed out story -- Yeah. -- just

5:20

here's, like, dangling keys in front of AII

5:24

would argue American Cottons or role

5:26

tonight, but I'm not saying anything. This is not about

5:28

American Guard, dude. We've

5:31

seen big mouth on Netflix, and shit is

5:33

ugly. I think I'll see because I don't

5:35

watch I don't watch any American Christmas.

5:37

There's something about anime though that, like, I

5:39

think what I do like about it -- Mhmm. -- is there's sort

5:41

of the suspension of the real

5:43

world. where it's -- Yeah. -- the the language

5:45

barrier makes

5:46

it feel like something that's very different

5:48

from what you're regularly consuming. Yeah.

5:50

Like, great, man. Definitely. Definitely. Well,

5:52

I I think one of the big issues with anime

5:54

is, you're right. A lot of it is the

5:56

same copy paste kind of story lines,

5:59

character tropes and everything. But

6:01

when you find that rude, you're really fucking

6:03

special and good anime. It's like,

6:05

to me, the reason I'm a man I'm an anime fan

6:07

is because it really is

6:09

able to convey these kinds of

6:11

stories that you don't really find in

6:13

other mediums or it's like really really hard.

6:15

Right. And I think right now we're

6:17

at a point where there's so many anime

6:19

being made that you're right. Ninety percent

6:21

of it is shit. Mhmm. But There

6:23

are more and more, like, really, really

6:25

fucking great and amazing shows that you

6:27

can find on on

6:29

a regular a basis, man. This is the most positive

6:31

I've ever thought about it. me on

6:33

this podcast. I I

6:36

just I just realized, well, we never introduced William

6:38

Foods. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. really,

6:40

you know what I mean? It doesn't mean they should know who I am.

6:42

Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Is

6:45

there any anime you do like then? Yeah. Yeah.

6:47

What what do you like? What do you think? I

6:49

I really like that. August.

6:52

God's favorite out of May. III

6:54

just I think that it's if if I was to

6:56

try to get any but a brother. Okay.

6:58

They got the first Yeah. Yeah. If

7:00

I had to get anyone or if I had to convince

7:02

somebody to watch something, that's probably what I would try

7:04

to convince something to watch. Yeah. because it's a very hasn't

7:06

watched this. Yep. It's it's like it feels like a

7:08

very don't know. It's just, like, closer

7:10

to kind of western media. Yeah. You know, we're

7:12

in a sense. Yeah. I think in a lot of

7:14

ways Yeah. Some other shows, like, just list off something

7:16

that you've Boston. I

7:18

I watched part of Attack on

7:20

Titan just sort of kind of I don't know. I don't like political

7:22

stuff. You know my political

7:24

accent? like a weird, like, governmental Yeah.

7:27

Season two. Yeah. Season two. Yeah. Season two. It's

7:29

terrible. I mean, it's just like, hi. I

7:31

wanna watch something explode.

7:33

Fantasy? Yeah. Yeah. Just wanna, like, it's on

7:35

your brain all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I guys

7:37

like Gondom. You like

7:38

Gondom? I wish you look at that. Which Gondom?

7:40

That's that's a whole rabbit a whole. Which which

7:42

does your dog know? OG?

7:45

Like

7:45

I've watched part of the OG. No old

7:48

old stuff can can be kind of slow compared

7:50

to, like, modern. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like

7:52

I mean, there's, like, some of the more mainstream

7:55

stuff, like, you know, Gundham Wing, Gundham

7:57

seed, zero, zero, Gundham Double

7:59

O, Gundham I'm blooded olefins was

8:01

really an olefins. That way. I honestly can't

8:03

remember the names of any of them. Yeah. Yeah. That's a

8:05

long It's just a long name

8:08

in a way that would make it intuitive to figure

8:10

out which one came when. Yep.

8:12

Yeah. I I mean, I think the I

8:14

think the reason with London is so confusing

8:16

is that there's just so many of So -- Mhmm. --

8:18

it's kinda like fate. You know, I I don't

8:20

mean to bring up fate, but it's kinda like that where there's just

8:22

so much of something. You know, you

8:24

don't even know kind of like overall

8:27

weekend. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. The names don't really

8:29

help you figure out which one comes from. Because it's

8:31

not numerical. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe they didn't

8:33

have something like resurrection.

8:35

And then not the the

8:37

dead side. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. There's some oh,

8:40

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get the wreck. Get the wreck.

8:42

Alright. Very old. Okay. So

8:44

that comes before reservoirs. Yeah.

8:46

Yeah. I was looking for just a timeline.

8:48

I was like, just give me a timeline of, like, when

8:50

each of them came out because none of them even, like, like,

8:52

time wise in their universe -- Yeah. -- or,

8:54

like, the branch of you know, like, the sort of, like,

8:57

the side. Right. Well, the horse is when

8:59

the release date doesn't match up to the I had a lot

9:01

of story photos. So you're like, oh, this one came

9:03

out. But oh, no. Look at this with the

9:05

last one. It's like they're not even As a modern guitarist

9:07

then, I feel call down. It's

9:09

just like, why did you guys choose to adapt

9:11

this completely out of order? Well, the the thing

9:13

about Gundham is that I guess closest

9:15

thing anime has to kinda like the MCU

9:17

where there is, like, there

9:19

is, like, a timeline for

9:21

every story is basically

9:23

self contained. Yeah. But, you know, if you have

9:25

followed Gundham from this lineage

9:27

back right at the beginning, then

9:29

there is characters that appear in light

9:31

of things It's, like, little Easter -- Whole political thing.

9:33

And they, like, they seem to almost, like, take, like,

9:35

an old character and kind of bring them back as,

9:37

like, the new -- Yeah. -- like, the grandchild.

9:39

Which is which is which is I am surprised

9:41

that you like guns. I'm considering that you adjust No.

9:44

No. No. I don't like that part

9:46

of guns. I'm like

9:48

So it's amazing place. So it's so it's amazing. So it's

9:50

amazing. So That's why I say, like, I really

9:52

like dude. Minus the political stuff. You

9:54

get partway in the kingdom, and then I

9:56

get bored and stop watching it.

9:59

I don't

9:59

know if I can say that you're a fan

10:02

of Gonda. Which is it for me? The one was all like

10:04

pit stops. Like, is it the racing? Wait. I get it.

10:06

Then what about so so you obviously, just like

10:08

you're taking more shots. findings. Yeah.

10:10

Though have you watched, like, girl logon?

10:14

That's that's that's that's basically gone. You know,

10:16

my the poster. You're gonna draw the cover

10:18

photo. My my drill will kiss the

10:20

heavens, you know. That one. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably

10:22

seeing them. I'm telling you, I

10:24

don't watch it to remember it. It's

10:27

it's funny because you say you don't like political stuff,

10:29

but you like giant bro and I'm just, like, ninety

10:31

percent of all giant robot shows are

10:33

political. You need you need, like okay.

10:35

You need, like, a drop of politics to

10:37

justify the robot fighting. But

10:39

if there's an episode where there's no robot

10:41

fighting, it's just politics. I'm

10:44

out. That's filler to me. Did you like

10:46

WatchCode Gios? you have a cookie house? Did

10:48

you like that? I don't remember, but I think I watched

10:50

all of the machines. There's a lot

10:52

of politics in that, but there was

10:54

also That's that's all the show. I'm nervous about

10:56

that. That's all you guys. Any other

10:58

shows? You mean, Gillian?

11:00

Yeah. I like to Yeah. But I

11:02

I went through the guys, the

11:04

directors. I can't I'm not gonna give you a deal. Yeah. Yeah.

11:06

Yeah. It's actually a good way to

11:08

find stuff. is go through, like, find

11:10

something you like. Yeah. And then go to

11:12

their Wikipedia and just dig through the

11:14

entire catalog. found

11:16

a bunch of You do you do something that ninety

11:18

nine percent of anime fans don't do it. You exactly You you

11:20

should have a hundred percent do that. Like, Go

11:22

Deepgram, who, like, the director or any

11:24

any literally anybody that works on these shows because it

11:26

seems like they all have, like, the same aspiration. So --

11:28

Mhmm. -- if they directed or if they did this or that, like,

11:30

they all have different things they worked on that

11:32

they kind of contributed to. mean, I don't

11:34

understand why more anime fans do this because this

11:36

is a normal practice in, like, say, the

11:38

movie industry or I I

11:40

would argue that they do do it for

11:43

film directors. Like, you know, if you watch a

11:45

Hosoda Momo movie or a Shinkai Makoto movie,

11:47

then you're just like, oh, I wanna see what other

11:49

movies they made. But I feel they don't really do that

11:51

when it comes TV animations. I

11:53

guess, the TV series. TV

11:55

series, a lot of times, is adapting

11:57

something new, but -- Yeah. -- a lot of directors in

11:59

anime. I know have such a unique

12:01

style. Mhmm. And I guess some of the

12:03

biggest names have, like, the most unique style, like,

12:05

Masaki Yueasa. Yeah. You you might not know

12:07

his names, but if you've seen his work,

12:09

you know you see one of his words -- Mhmm. -- or

12:11

something like ping pong the animation or

12:13

the elf man crybaby or something like that.

12:15

Mhmm. But same way of Kiriakiana as well

12:17

he's like such a big name in the anime

12:19

industry. So from evangelion, I

12:21

got to something called, like, the

12:23

secret of Bluewater -- Yeah. --

12:26

you do not you. Way back. That's like

12:28

a hell That's a deep cause.

12:30

Chelsea's looking at me right now. So we we

12:32

we found a website because you can't you like, some of

12:34

this stuff you literally can't watch anywhere

12:36

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you can't pay for it. You

12:38

can't Well, Eva and Sheldon, you couldn't watch it for, like,

12:40

twenty years later. Yeah. It's like

12:42

free money later. Yeah. It only

12:44

took, like, net licks to acquire the rights of Evangelion

12:46

for you can stream. God knows how much money they pay for

12:48

that. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

12:51

They

12:51

basically like, you can like watching their

12:53

other you know, work.

12:55

Mhmm. It's funny that you can kind of

12:57

see them as an artist because they kinda get

12:59

stuck on the same idea. Oh,

13:01

yeah. Yeah. Definitely. So there was a lot of, like,

13:03

very sort of linear like, very,

13:05

like, very parallel story lines --

13:07

Mhmm. -- in secret of Blue

13:09

Water and Yabangeli. And I've, like, just, you know, it's

13:11

just it's it's funny

13:12

to see that they're almost like like

13:14

they've been working towards this one story

13:16

-- Yeah. -- across multiple completely

13:19

separate

13:19

Yeah. It works. Exactly. What was the guy

13:22

made Belle, cold? He he made a Maury is a

13:24

It's a movie over now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It feels

13:26

like he was like, he did the Desjardins movie and was

13:28

just like, I'm gonna make sum awards, which is

13:30

just the digital movies, minus the

13:32

digital game. They're like play dressing

13:34

themselves. Yeah. You can't. It's

13:36

so cocky. Boy,

13:38

it's just I don't know. It's Well, there's also

13:41

Mako Shinkai now who I think after

13:43

doing your name -- Yeah. -- was just like weather

13:45

porn. The moon. Let's do it again. Yo. He's

13:47

gonna, like, rad wimps some speed dogs.

13:49

Yo, bro. You you know I'm gonna need you for the next

13:51

sound job, bro. Yeah. But what

13:53

I found that I was the happiest to find, I think,

13:55

like, the best one was we talked

13:57

about it a little bit on our podcast. It's

13:59

called

13:59

memory. So you Oh, my god.

14:02

Ultimately, cutscenes are awesome. My That

14:04

is brilliant. It is so

14:06

good. So good. Like, the the just

14:08

the animation alone is, like, I

14:10

have never seen anything like that.

14:12

Magnetic rose is Oh my god. I'm

14:14

sorry. You're the only one I've never

14:16

seen it. Yeah. I've never it. I've

14:18

never seen it. never even wished they made

14:20

shit like this. Yeah. Like, I I it makes

14:22

me sad that that is not something anybody

14:24

wants to put me in. It is basically a quira

14:26

in space. Yes. It's

14:28

fucking insane. It's so good. Well,

14:30

you're an anime fan. You are an adult. You are adult.

14:33

You are an adult. You are an

14:35

anime fan. That's all my shows

14:37

even I haven't seen Maybe I'm just talking shit

14:39

about, like, more modern stuff. Are you gonna are you

14:41

going down, like, the modern school season?

14:43

Yeah. This modern

14:45

school is what I

14:47

used to washer's enemy. Nice

14:50

trash. There is

14:52

no other talking about, Adam. Well, I

14:55

I think

14:55

Probably one of the biggest reasons why you don't

14:57

enjoy modern anime is it seems like you

14:59

enjoy sci fi -- Yeah. -- giant

15:01

robots. Yeah. Two genres

15:03

that really are not thriving in the modern

15:05

seas. I don't know why. Is is sci

15:07

fi just like has that has it just

15:09

gone down here in general? because I think

15:11

it's just been clearly overwritten

15:13

right now by the fantasy genre.

15:15

And then within the fantasy genre, mostly

15:17

the easter guy genre. I feel like

15:19

every you know, decade or two,

15:21

it always flips off between the weather fantasy

15:24

or, like, space and futuristic stuff. Oh, yeah.

15:26

Of course. Right? And I and right now in, like, a

15:28

giant DND boom and fancy

15:30

just seems to be like the thing right now. And

15:32

I'm sure in future, it will swap back to

15:34

space in like ten or twenty years. So it's

15:36

like a scope everyone's trying to get one up each other. Yeah.

15:38

Yeah. Like, no. We are robots bigger. Our robots

15:40

bigger. What do you call it? The power creep of --

15:42

Yeah. -- but it's like in the whole

15:44

genre itself. Yeah. It's like each show has to

15:46

outdo the other show. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you when

15:48

we had, like, Yurin Lagoon, which was literally

15:51

you know, spoil a small small spoiler

15:53

alert, although it doesn't really, you know,

15:55

change the enjoyment of the show. When

15:57

they literally are fucking using

15:59

Universal No. galaxies and

16:01

shookens. I'm like, wait, there's there's nowhere to

16:03

go. They're standing on galaxies just to

16:05

fight. There's nowhere to fucking go from here. Yeah.

16:07

And especially, you, like, you look

16:09

you look at something dragable super and we're

16:11

like, okay. Goku is the most powerful

16:13

being in the universe. Where can we go

16:15

from here? He's the most powerful being in the

16:17

multiverse. Okay. So where can we go here. Well, I don't

16:19

I don't know now. I don't know. There's

16:21

there's literally no no way you can take

16:23

that. Yeah. But I guess one of

16:25

the big things that I've missed is a

16:27

lot of just all what school sci fi shows.

16:29

Yes. Because I feel like a lot

16:31

of I I feel like

16:33

those are some my favorite types of stories,

16:36

but it's so so rare nowadays, not

16:38

even in anime just to find like a good sci

16:40

fi story, which is

16:42

why I've really really fucking enjoyed

16:44

doing Yeah. I was about to say they've kind

16:46

of had to resort to going back

16:48

to older media. Exactly. And all

16:50

the franchises and kind of just like

16:52

reimagining it for the modern audience. And

16:54

again, I think that's why, like, June was so good is

16:56

because, like, that's, like, a story that was

16:58

probably quite, you know, abundant when

17:00

it was first around, like, in

17:02

the eighties and nineties and stuff like that. But, like yeah.

17:04

Nick, now it's, like, other than maybe, like,

17:06

Star Wars, like, the news the new song.

17:08

I I don't catch up with three new Star Wars

17:10

movies. Other than that, like, I can't really think

17:12

of, like, a good sci fi show -- Yeah. --

17:14

that has come out recently. I think it's a lot

17:16

of work to come up with, like, a whole --

17:18

Oh, yeah. Yeah. -- everything and then

17:20

even war work to try to tell a

17:22

cohesive narrative. because the fantasy, you can just be

17:24

like, it's a fantasy world. Right? Yeah. You

17:26

know, this a guy selling bread and a guy selling apples and

17:28

everything's been up. You don't have to think about the logic of

17:30

the world. Yeah. You guys want me to be. how

17:32

used to be Yeah. You can Like, it's a lot of Is there a chart

17:34

of, like, time versus sort of

17:37

sexualization of anime? No.

17:40

That's interesting. I genuinely think

17:42

that, like, that's

17:43

probably one of the tropes that kinda just helps,

17:45

like, one of the cheap shots you can take to help

17:47

retain people. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just

17:49

don't

17:49

enjoy it all. and shows. I like hand

17:51

tied. I'll watch hand tied. I watch Well, you know you don't

17:53

separate. You know what? But you know what's

17:55

funny, actually, the guy who invented the

17:58

Etsy drawn in mongering. Then you say the guy invented anime.

17:59

No. The guy the guy oh, basically, the guy

18:02

who invented, like, the the kind of

18:04

perversion in anime is the same guy

18:06

who invented Mekko. the

18:09

So they're kind of good hand

18:11

in hand. Yeah. I I actually believe hideyaki

18:14

ono helped popularize the

18:16

anime bootbowns. It was really -- Yeah. --

18:18

literally called, like, the Gynax jiggle or some

18:20

the Gynax bounce for a while. Yeah. Because one

18:22

I think it was, like, one of his earlier

18:24

works. What's what's his other mecca work that he's

18:26

done? Not that's before Yvonne Gilly

18:29

on. Diaper. Diaper. Diaper. I

18:31

believe that had, like, a famous shot with, like, a It's

18:33

a big one. Yeah. It's it's a direct to that

18:35

as well. It's like a hundred and twenty frames per

18:37

second, bigger bigger one. Yeah. It's like and I was like, alright.

18:40

This is This is a future of animation,

18:42

ladies and gentlemen. You've probably seen the

18:44

high school, the dead one as well, so that she

18:46

shoots a gun, and it like It doesn't even see that

18:48

one. Oh, and it goes through the like, booth like gelling and the

18:50

bullet goes between. Like, oh, like, a gift

18:52

or something. Yeah. It's a very same mistake.

18:54

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Stupid. Yeah.

18:56

It's so dumb. But when it's like that,

18:58

it's like, okay. Now it's so over the top. Right? It's like

19:01

It's it's entertaining a year. In the

19:03

middle ground where you're like, why why did you put this

19:05

in the shit? Like like fire force?

19:07

Like, yeah. Yeah. That just had sexualization in it for no fucking

19:09

reason. I mean, there's a lot of shows that are like that, where

19:11

it's like I thought I would enjoy the show

19:13

because it kinda delved in genres that I thought I

19:15

would enjoy. And then it would

19:17

just get sideshafted by this random

19:20

edgy shot. I'm just like It feels like immature. It

19:22

feels like Yeah. I'm like, I you didn't you

19:24

didn't need that. didn't need that to maintain

19:26

my, you know, attention for the show. because it

19:28

just feels like a cheap showing Netflix right now

19:30

in the States. They're like it's like a

19:32

mech thing, but there's like a

19:34

guy and a girl in the mac. Right. What is it? Dolly

19:36

and a Frank. Frank.

19:39

It's like it's a how

19:41

can you take your story seriously when that just happens. Right? Yeah.

19:43

It's like doing a TED talk and whipping your dick out.

19:45

Yeah. It's like no one's gonna take you seriously for

19:47

the rest of the talk. Okay. I would

19:50

argue that No one should take dawling in the Frank songs. No. No. No.

19:52

No. No. No. Not even the creators of

19:54

the show. Yeah. Seriously. I'd like I I it's the

19:56

moaning though. It's the moaning when they, like, lock

19:58

in, like, I'm

20:02

reloading my girl. I remember when

20:04

I first watched Darling in the Franks and they

20:06

revealed, like, the piloting system in, like, episode

20:09

two three. And I just fucking burst our laughing. I'm

20:11

like, no. They did not do

20:13

this. They they they didn't have

20:15

to, though. Like, why? Okay. Too fat

20:17

that's true. and they're like -- Yeah. -- they just triggered

20:19

never time themselves. It's it's weird

20:21

talking to someone who obviously consumes has

20:23

consumed, like, a lot of old anime versus

20:25

like, I've consumed I've seen, like, the

20:27

progression of, I guess, the fan

20:30

service, sexualization just kinda like

20:32

like having, like, going from there to

20:34

there. Yeah. because It's a Donningham's franchise

20:36

was made by studio trigger and off to

20:38

kill the killer. Have you seen ahold of kill the kill? I

20:40

think so. Is that the, like, the the

20:42

talking shirt Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But not the one we get. talking

20:44

close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the last close.

20:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. I

20:48

felt like after they made that

20:50

that darling in the Franks just felt like it stepped

20:53

down in terms of the in terms of the fact

20:55

that it's chilled out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which

20:57

is which is weird to say

20:59

that. it it kinda like, I guess, desensitize

21:01

a lot of anime fans because and

21:03

yet, isn't it weird that we

21:06

are ultimately criticizing Darling in the Franks for

21:08

being sexual. But then when you go over to kill a

21:10

kill, it's like, yeah, that makes sense. It depends

21:12

on the show. Like, kill a kill never was meant to be

21:14

serious. And neither was Darling. frank. No. I

21:16

don't know yet. There's other shows where you're trying to get

21:18

me invested in this world and characters in a very

21:20

serious way. Mhmm. And should it get me to feel like,

21:22

like, oh, I'm so sympathetic to all the character. and then

21:24

they stopped roping each other. And they're like, what

21:26

the fuck is that? Yeah. I think the fuck was that.

21:28

Yeah. Kill a kill was like it

21:30

made it made a little bit more

21:32

sense. Yeah. It did. Dude. you did

21:34

you ever watch seven deadly sins?

21:36

Yeah. Oh, jeez. That's

21:38

that's that's that's the

21:40

worst. It's so unnecessary. Yes.

21:42

We'll just roping a moment randomly. That's just that's just

21:44

his personality chart. And it's like, oh, so this

21:46

guy's he just molested. He's just forever. Yeah. And

21:49

that's like he's there. Yeah. And we're like, wow.

21:51

He's that's so funny. quick. He's like, no. I hate this guy.

21:53

Right. Like, if they how many

21:55

people you know, actually, I don't wanna

21:57

we've asked that question Yeah.

22:00

Many times No. We we we really wonder who

22:02

the fuck watches that character and likes them. If you

22:04

don't like that character. Yeah.

22:06

Yeah. Because, like, that is

22:09

there are many other stands out there. I mean, it's it's a

22:11

very it was a very popular anime and manga. I

22:13

don't I don't know how many people still stand for.

22:15

It fell off so Yeah. Really? It was kinda like fairytale,

22:17

you know, or that kind of a

22:19

genre of show where it kinda just like it got it had

22:21

as a fan base and then it kind of

22:24

fell off when everyone's, like, clowning on it. Is that in

22:26

the manga as well? That -- Yeah. -- person?

22:28

Yeah. Yeah. So it's not just the show.

22:30

No. No. No. Okay. Yeah. Why why

22:32

would they even add that? I'd be even That used to

22:34

do. I don't think they used to, like,

22:36

figure who. So he's kind

22:38

of boring. Let's let's just make him kind

22:40

of a puff. I think that they would add it in if

22:42

they weren't willing to take it out. Yeah.

22:45

Well,

22:45

they a lot of the

22:47

time, it's it's one, it's not seen

22:49

as weird to have that in. Right. And and

22:52

two, I think taking it out would be just

22:54

offensive, right, to the author in a way. It's like how

22:56

could you ruin his vision? And

22:58

also also I think the reason why just I know. I know.

23:00

I also just think, like, the reason why in

23:02

general, I don't think we'll ever see

23:05

the the disappearance, I guess, of that kinda, like, perversion

23:07

anime is because, you know, fourth

23:09

horny fourteen, fifteen year old boys are

23:12

gonna Just keep coming. Yeah. I mean They keep spawning.

23:14

Just come back later. Just come over and

23:16

over. Keep coming. They just keep coming. They keep

23:18

spawning and there's always gonna be

23:20

an audience for that culture. Probably. I mean, there's

23:22

your population is shrinking. So That's true,

23:25

Julie. Not sure. That's true. Yeah.

23:27

That's true. on track today. I

23:30

mean, I mean, come on. Like, I remember when I was

23:32

a teenager, and I first saw an

23:34

anime have kind of like this kind

23:36

of fan service on it. And when I

23:38

when I was fourteen, I thought Telfortra was, like,

23:40

the greatest thing ever created. Yeah. I know. Right?

23:42

I'm just, like, that's just, like, tits and ass at all.

23:44

It makes sense to you're, like, as a as a

23:46

fellow fourteen. I understand this, but then you're like,

23:48

there's a forty year old man thinking about this shit man.

23:50

Yeah. He's like, oh, that's true. What

23:52

should I make for the kids? Yeah. perversion

23:54

never hurt me. Like, yeah. I like this one I was fourteen. I'm

23:56

sure the fourteen year olds now would enjoy it. Like,

23:58

even as like

23:59

twenty twenty years old nineteen, I was

24:02

like, oh, I mean,

24:04

just watch porn. I I mean, I mean, that

24:06

was the age where you're just like, oh, I you

24:08

you discovered that hair tie and poor

24:11

hobby. So you sound like 1111

24:13

child. That was the moment. That was the moment. You're the

24:15

nineteen and twenty. What? That was the money. Your

24:17

bracelets, and you're just like, I

24:19

need more. separation of

24:21

church and state. Abu Jiggle will not

24:23

suffice for me. I'm trying

24:25

to think the first anime I ever watched. Like,

24:27

I I feel like I have Like,

24:29

this Pokemon count? Yeah. Yeah. What is that? I mean,

24:31

it's kinda like that's Japanese. I mean, that was like

24:33

my first one. Yeah. I didn't realize it was even anime.

24:35

I thought it was I mean, I think that

24:37

was a lot of our first anime. You you you it

24:40

was either that or like dragon ball z -- Mhmm. -- which

24:42

is a lot of people's first anime

24:44

especially up in the water. Narratau

24:46

or what's the assessment? I started

24:48

watching it. Did Mike Can I say it's crap

24:50

or people get mad? It's normal.

24:52

But you think so. yourself. separated. I am very

24:54

smart. Okay. That's what it felt like. No. No. No.

24:56

No. Yeah. He was like, no. I

25:01

thought it was really good. I mean,

25:03

the consensus is that it's pretty

25:05

good. I I thought it was quite intelligent to

25:07

me. I got through I

25:09

don't know, maybe, like, six episodes or something.

25:11

And I just it just it was, like,

25:13

it just felt like like trying

25:15

to launch

25:16

How old you when you found it? I

25:18

feel like it's as well when you go. because yeah. because I feel like

25:20

if you're under twenty one, for some reason, it

25:22

appeals to that that side. Yeah. I think that's

25:24

the kind of people that are the main character. Yeah.

25:27

Yeah. Yeah. I was insurance and

25:29

jumped. Right? Yeah. Right. Right. I was full of

25:31

demographic. Like, eighty year old like, seventeen

25:33

year old me ate that shit up. Yeah. I was like,

25:35

of course. like, so bad. I

25:37

wanna be this guy so bad.

25:40

He gets death knows. Dude, he was the

25:42

original gay cat cat. Wow. He

25:44

you know, like the and and the abilities. Yeah.

25:46

He was a cat and his dad loved him. Whoa.

25:48

That's that's the insane.

25:51

Yeah. I mean,

25:53

just thinking right. Yeah. I'm

25:56

just like thinking like looking at light now

25:58

through modern eyes. I'm like, damn.

26:00

Light was a fucking toxic as fuck person man.

26:02

He was. Science in a man. You watch

26:04

doctor Stone? No. I saw oh,

26:07

god. What's the time travel one?

26:09

Sounds good. Sounds good. I like that a lot.

26:12

Sounds good. Great. I mean, that's one of those, like,

26:14

classics. I started watching years ago. I think

26:16

I got, like, one episode in because it's it

26:18

just I feel like every one of these websites

26:20

is a bad job, like conveying what

26:22

it is. Mhmm. It's hard to find reviews. Actually, it's gonna like

26:24

that. That's like one of the shows where I I think it's

26:26

just bachelors click up

26:27

so Going blind. I I stopped

26:29

watching it, though, years ago. So I got

26:31

a Did he say the snow? stupid

26:33

or slow or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. because I it's

26:36

almost like there's not a trustworthy source for

26:38

me of knowing if I'm gonna like something. To be

26:40

fair, the first ten yeah. I

26:42

was. To be fair, the first ten

26:44

episodes are quite slow. I

26:46

think it's it's used to just

26:48

build up enough information and to get you

26:50

established enough where the second half comes

26:52

around you just like, oh, shit. Yeah. It's also great

26:54

in English. of versionism. I I

26:56

just watch everything. Have you have you watched

26:58

psychopaths? No. Okay.

27:00

III think, Mike, just just judging from

27:02

what you've been saying and judging from like,

27:04

kinda shows you like. You'd love psychopaths

27:06

because it is a sci fi,

27:08

doesn't have met doesn't have

27:10

giant brains in it. Unfortunately Tell the viewers on

27:12

it, like picture to them. we've done this

27:14

before, but do it again. Yeah. I can't do

27:16

it. Do the thing. Do

27:18

the thing. I mean, it's

27:21

a sci fi stopian

27:24

world that is very reminiscent

27:26

of a lot of classic sci fi

27:28

stories. The entire world is

27:30

based on a system where you

27:32

control people based on

27:34

an emotional score. And there are

27:36

points where if you go beyond an emotional

27:38

score, the system deems you as a threat

27:40

to society. so they will

27:42

automatically lock you up. Or if you get

27:44

too dangerous, there's a gun

27:46

that will shoot you and you will

27:48

literally explode. Right? You're literally

27:50

depressed. Yeah. If you literally get you you will literally disintegrate.

27:54

And what makes it so interesting? Exactly.

27:58

Exactly. interesting. And what makes

27:59

it so interesting is, you know, they set

28:02

up this world and the

28:05

main villain is basically

28:07

someone who is so insane that

28:09

he breaks the system by being on a

28:11

level of insane that he's

28:13

almost seen in in the system's

28:15

eyes as the perfect human beings.

28:17

Mhmm. So that's that's

28:18

that's kinda like that's that's kinda

28:21

this main story of psychopaths. You like a lot. It's

28:23

really wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really,

28:25

really interesting. And it's delves into

28:27

some really interesting ideas about if

28:29

this society really existed what would

28:31

happen to the people in it? How would they act?

28:33

How would it how would they, you know, change? And

28:36

how could you break a system like this? Yeah. It

28:38

tackles moral issues, I think, really

28:40

really well to the point where it's like it

28:42

doesn't seem trope in any way.

28:44

Like, it it actually gets

28:46

you being like, oh, shit. If this was,

28:48

you know, if if I was point a situation like

28:50

this, what would I Right. I was gonna say it's, like, situation

28:52

based. Like, here is a

28:54

problem and then someone has to deal Yeah.

28:56

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So

28:58

judging from now, you'd really really enjoy that

29:00

because I can't I can't think of like

29:02

another modern sci fi show that's hooked to

29:04

me much as Cyclo Plus has. It's

29:06

oh, what about Boca no Boca

29:08

Raton. Boca Raton. Have you seen Boca

29:11

Raton? You another one too. That's that's maker. I

29:13

always recommend that one. That's maker that

29:15

doesn't have a whole lot of politics to it. Yeah. And

29:17

it's also psychological. So you might

29:19

like that one as well? We talked about that a

29:21

few times. fucked up. This is

29:23

this is just this is just what what anime?

29:25

Wouldn't Willie Monster? I'm okay with fucked up.

29:27

I sat there Darling in Frank. I

29:29

hate it. That's a different kind

29:31

of fucked up. I hate it the whole time. That's a

29:33

different kind of fucked up. That's

29:35

just what the fuck. Yeah.

29:37

Let's just trigger going. Let's how can we make

29:39

everything a sexual innuendo? Yeah. Okay. Let's

29:41

let's just make an entire show and

29:43

just make it a make it like one big section.

29:45

What happened like steering wheels and like

29:48

joysticks? This mom mom,

29:50

my robots to have a hand control. What

29:52

are you gonna make a robot? that's controlled by a

29:54

human. A human did. Yeah. That's the next

29:56

video. I don't know what you're doing. Wow.

29:58

Oh, my god. Actually,

30:01

on that, we should probably explain what

30:03

William does. Yeah. Yeah. What what do you what do you do on your

30:05

YouTube channel? I mean, how

30:07

do I describe it? Yeah. Because it's such

30:09

bizarre thing. Yeah. Well, when

30:11

a random family member who you dealt with? I

30:13

I honestly genuinely don't know how to explain

30:15

it because I used to say, like, science, but

30:18

we just we're doing video about

30:19

oyster farming. Mhmm. Right? You

30:21

are? Can't be science involved. Yeah. But it's,

30:23

like, not. It's the angle isn't

30:26

too. I don't know. It's nice. Yeah.

30:28

No. The engineering doesn't work.

30:30

The guy who is generally

30:32

does engineering, which I apparently, you

30:34

guys are also These two

30:36

We yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They use you YouTube. I

30:38

do your parents happy. I I go

30:40

for the degree. So they were like, they were like, alright.

30:42

If you fuck up, got

30:44

the degree Didn't you're throwing it in the

30:46

trash right now. I paid for it.

30:48

I paid for it. They have no say

30:51

that. They they were kinda

30:53

like just because, you know, I was doing YouTube while I

30:55

was in That's that's definitely the the hundred

30:57

percent the right way to do it. Oh, yeah. I kind of

30:59

told them I was like, hey, I think I'm not gonna do

31:01

engineering. Yeah. You're gonna try this YouTube thing

31:03

out. And they were like, are you gonna finish the degree? I was

31:05

like, yeah. And they were like, alright. Do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah.

31:07

I finished the degree. Got a job. And

31:09

then after about two and a half, no, three three and a

31:11

half years of doing the job. I was like, I kinda hate

31:13

this right now. Kinda kinda wanna just

31:15

do YouTube. What's what's your background?

31:17

Same mechanical. Oh, you see? You got a mechanical. Mechanical

31:19

engineering major and electrical minor. Oh,

31:21

okay. Oh, so we go within mechanical. Yeah. I

31:23

hate a mechanical. mean, it's I feel

31:25

like people don't really know engineering is when they go

31:27

into it. And they see they see someone like me

31:30

who like like like building

31:32

stuff Yeah. And and you know it's like building stuff. And then you

31:34

go to school and it's like not building stuff.

31:37

because, like because I think one time we

31:39

spoke about a podcast how we didn't really use that

31:41

degrees. But then it's kind of like it's it's kind

31:43

of hard to

31:45

really take that as like

31:47

like a whole because, obviously, we're a very isolated group of people -- Right.

31:49

-- didn't use that degree. Say, oh, useless. And

31:51

it's really easy to say that. Yeah. It's I

31:53

think it's complicated because it's, like, it's

31:56

not useless. But okay. So yeah.

31:58

Who do you go to what would you do? I

31:59

did.

32:00

What about it? I'm not you didn't do.

32:03

No. I I did IT, like,

32:05

design, computing. So it's like

32:07

-- Yeah. -- even if you're not doing IT work,

32:08

you probably have done stuff in regards to YouTube

32:11

that involves some of the IT stuff. I mean, I learned how to video

32:13

edit through my computer. Yeah. Yeah.

32:15

and, like, audio engineering stuff like that. Right. So you learn

32:17

skills outside of actually getting a job

32:19

as an engineer. because, like, if you get an engineering degree, like, you're

32:21

not ready to go work as an engineer. you

32:23

have to go somewhere and you're gonna cost, like, money

32:25

because that's, like, this useless little blob. Mhmm. Then

32:27

they try to form you into, like, actually -- Yeah. --

32:29

doing this real constructive work. Yeah. And so going

32:31

to school is just kind of, you know, teaching

32:35

you

32:35

some mads and

32:38

then some, like, just I

32:39

don't know. When work ethic or or

32:42

problem solving? I did find, like, the

32:44

mindset that it taught was very helpful. Yeah. I

32:46

mean, I think, like, one of the reasons

32:48

engineering is such a good cause, just in

32:50

general, is problem solving aspects. I that's that's an

32:52

aspect everyone will use in their

32:54

lives. Yeah. And it's about understanding a

32:56

system and how to kind

32:58

of like find your way around the

33:00

system. I mean, regardless, I do

33:02

use my degree in my job because

33:04

that's basically YouTube in a

33:06

nutshell. Yeah. trying to figure out the algorithm

33:08

and how and how to, like, make content

33:10

that appeals to an algorithm. That's a prob that's a

33:12

problem solve problem solve. Yeah. And,

33:14

you know, there's some people who get way

33:16

more into the analytical side of

33:18

YouTube. I noticed I've talked to a lot of

33:20

science YouTubers and you guys are constantly

33:22

in analytics there's there's a level that's, like,

33:24

good and a level that's bad. Yeah. And I think some of

33:26

the science youtubers go way too

33:28

far to the point where they start kind of

33:30

not quite understanding, like, it's a little bit

33:32

too robotic. And it's like playing the

33:34

algorithm as opposed to maybe

33:36

have a a more artistic or, like,

33:38

empathetic approach of, like, why would somebody be emotionally

33:40

invested whenever that ride. Right. And it's just

33:42

numbers. Numbers numbers. And it's like, well, that's

33:44

probably not a good road to go

33:46

down. Yeah. don't look I

33:48

don't look at it at all because it just stresses me out.

33:50

Yeah. I I have stopped looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. I I

33:52

don't look at it. I don't really read comments

33:54

either. I read, like, the top three or four. Yeah. And I'm

33:56

like, Yeah. I

33:58

try to check mine about a week after the

34:00

upload because at least at that point, like, the

34:02

honeymoon period is gone and

34:04

I could as, like You can look at a rational way. Yeah. I can

34:06

I can as rationally look at this as possible. Yeah. Like,

34:08

there's a problem solving perspective. Right? Like --

34:10

Exactly. -- it's not gonna help

34:12

to read a bunch of

34:14

crap. Mhmm. So I'm going to figure out how can I

34:16

use people's feedback as

34:18

constructively as possible. Exactly. Exactly. Did you

34:20

enjoy doing your engineering degree while you were

34:22

the asshole? I did. I learned a lot. Like, I learned a lot about

34:24

microprocessors, which is the electrical

34:26

minor because it's like something about not

34:28

doing anything electrical. It's

34:30

it's like which graph, dude. You

34:32

can see, like, if you know how to use a

34:34

computer that has, like, can I talk to the

34:36

outside world, which is basically microprocessors,

34:38

modern computers are a little bit funky. I mean, still

34:40

can't, but You can do anything. Like, you can literally, like, the instant you, like, you can

34:42

write some code and it turns a light on. It's like, oh my

34:44

god. Like, that's

34:48

what I didn't really enjoy

34:50

about doing just mechanicals that you never

34:52

really got that. Try try something

34:54

and get feedback. It was

34:56

always like here is a concept of how an

34:58

aerofoil would react in this. Use please use

35:00

the aerofoil table, which tells you

35:02

everything and use the number So

35:04

expensive to actually bring that into the real

35:06

world. Right. And I and I

35:08

understand that, and it's just kinda like,

35:10

damn it. I kinda thought we do

35:12

stuff. Yeah. Like, I mean, what I don't know. Maybe your school just sort of sucked. We didn't do

35:14

stuff either, but, like, that's kind of I feel like every time

35:16

I explain anything to people. So the school is

35:18

not gonna teach you, like,

35:20

pick up a tool -- No. Right. Right. -- like, they're gonna do the analytical

35:22

stuff. Yeah. And for electrical engineering,

35:24

maybe, or or computer science, like, you can actually do

35:26

things because it's free. It's cheap. Well, free. It's

35:28

cheap. Yeah.

35:30

mechanical stuff is like, oh, you gotta use the, you know, a mill or three d printer

35:32

or this. And even if it's not, like, actually

35:34

expensive -- Yeah. -- the sort of time required

35:36

is, like, expensive. So that's what I didn't

35:39

like about electronic electrical engineering, which is we didn't

35:41

get to use any cool stuff,

35:43

you know. I'm talking as a

35:45

triple e major

35:48

because I was always jealous of, you know, mechanical engineers

35:50

or aerospace engineers because they always talk about, you

35:52

know, oh, yeah. I was in the wind tunnel

35:56

doing this quash. And I'm like, I wasn't gonna go in the window. That

35:58

was it. That is it. Yeah. I was like, oh,

36:00

you're in the wizard. Yeah. I was like, I was doing a

36:02

fucking lab just like fucking

36:04

Brian coat. I know. I might turned And that was it. And I'm I'm like, you

36:06

guys are doing all the cool shit. spend so

36:08

much time just doing CAD models.

36:10

And I fucking What

36:12

is that? It's

36:14

like you build the thing in like and

36:16

I understand why because it literally is just engineering.

36:18

Like, that's that's it. Yeah. Yeah. That's you do that for

36:20

everything. But -- Yeah. -- oh my god was this

36:22

mind numbing. doing it. And I was

36:24

bad at it. I couldn't visualize things in,

36:26

like, A3D space. That's hard.

36:28

It's really hard. So I was, like, this is this

36:30

is this is miserable. And there was

36:32

some other stuff that I Like, I I

36:34

didn't do it because I was gonna sit in

36:36

YouTube. So

36:36

I I started doing YouTube

36:38

about second

36:39

year of so in the UK, we do

36:41

three years. It's not fun. Okay. I got five

36:43

and a half. Yeah. Normally, it's like what? A batch loser before. Right?

36:45

It's the first three before. Yeah. So in the UK,

36:47

it's three. Okay.

36:50

So second year in, I started doing YouTube, so my free time has gone.

36:52

But there was this thing that they

36:54

did where every single university in,

36:58

like, Some of them in the UK

37:00

and some in Europe could build a Formula One car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

37:02

Here they call FSAE. Yeah.

37:05

FSA. And so, basically, any any one people from the

37:08

engineering, people can just all come together and build

37:10

this car. Yeah. And they got to actually use all the

37:12

tools. They got building things to

37:14

experience with -- Oh, that sounds fun. -- and I was like, why

37:16

didn't no one tell me about this?

37:18

I would have, like, loved to have, like, actually got hands on

37:20

experience. Your school kinda sounds like my school a little

37:22

bit. Yeah. it's just It's, like, very there's

37:24

not a whole lot of money. I

37:26

mean, I don't think they're broke, but they just don't

37:28

invest the money into the community. You always

37:30

hear MIT. MIT is, like, filled with clubs and

37:32

communities and stuff. And that's like it's so many

37:34

smart talented people come out of there because

37:36

not the education is better. but

37:39

the experiences are best. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's

37:41

the moment your at least for me, the moment

37:43

my lectures or classes were done, I

37:46

was gone. Yeah. There was no incentive. Oh, my God. And on the incentives

37:48

-- Exactly. -- to stay on the campus

37:50

and do anything else because there was

37:53

no other clubs. The only

37:55

other, like, clubs that were even related to

37:57

my field were, like, I

37:59

don't know,

37:59

weird stuff that were just very, very, very

38:02

sneeze and stuff. I was, like, I My

38:04

only my only incentive was to just go to the

38:06

nearby uni bar and just get shit started. Oh,

38:08

yeah. My bad. And that was nothing. Did you have joined

38:10

the club? that was, like, relevant to your field if you have your If there was

38:12

a chance that we could hands on and do some stuff, I

38:14

would gladly do it. Yeah. And if I

38:16

could use cat model and maybe

38:18

actually get to print something. Well Oh my god.

38:20

It would've been awesome. It would've been like, oh,

38:22

okay. So I can make something cat that actually

38:24

look at it and understand why -- Yeah.

38:26

-- III built it like this

38:28

and try it again. Yeah. But I understand that it's

38:30

expensive. But it like, nowadays, it's not, and so

38:32

they probably do have them. But, like, even, like,

38:34

relatively expensive, like, a printer

38:36

from, you know, five, ten years ago,

38:38

like, you could still get something that work --

38:40

Yeah. -- that would achieve. You know, like, the

38:42

the tree pass plywood. They wouldn't even, like, let us

38:44

do, like, the laser cut I was like, I said,

38:46

why would it cost, like, one sense of

38:48

she'd have actually been earning earning. I

38:50

I just kinda wish there was more chances to

38:52

get more involved and and

38:54

get to whatever you learn to kind of visualize it'll

38:56

put something out there so you can be like, oh, okay.

38:58

Yeah. Like something tangible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

39:00

don't know. you start connecting

39:02

the dots. It's like, oh, my do this work. I

39:04

get this thing. Like, I I describe everything as

39:06

tools. Like, math is a tool. Yeah. You don't

39:08

have to enjoy using the tool,

39:10

but you are, like, excited when you use the tool to make something happen.

39:12

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, I I I've used

39:14

calculus, I think, like, once in my entire life,

39:16

actually, and that was

39:18

literally for like, making a motor

39:20

speed up and slow down so I could, like, generate the

39:22

acceleration of it. And I was, like,

39:23

it's, like, holy shit.

39:26

Finally, I used that. Yeah. Exactly. I never did it again,

39:28

and I'm okay with it. But it's like, you know, you could do

39:30

it. I know I could do it. I understand it a little bit

39:32

better and it was like, that felt so good. And

39:34

it's like, did I enjoy doing it?

39:36

Like, I doing a bunch of stuff recently to trying to build a CT

39:38

scanner. Mhmm. Yeah. You know, like, the like, a

39:40

--

39:40

Right. -- three sixty x-ray. Yeah. Yeah.

39:43

And it's, like, I don't really like doing math, but

39:45

there is nothing more exciting than like

39:48

writing some code that has like the

39:50

math you wrote and it works. And it works and it's

39:52

just like

39:54

I've I've I've I feel like seeing that

39:56

final product and seeing that final effect makes

39:58

it so worth it because if everything's just

40:02

theoretical, just like, well, this is just fucking numbers. There's no return. Like, if I wanted to

40:04

do this, I'd be a mathematician. You know? Yeah. Well,

40:06

like, I my university had one

40:10

cool projects, which was like if you do Tripoli and Bristol University,

40:12

I hope it's still a thing. In the third year,

40:14

we had this thing called a buggy projects where

40:18

basically every you know,

40:20

your class will get split up into teams.

40:22

Mhmm. So it was a group project,

40:24

but everyone had to do

40:26

some part of it. Yeah. Everyone had to

40:28

do some part of it. and we had, like, a buggy that

40:30

we basically had to program and

40:32

amazed that the buggy had to navigate

40:34

a smaller car. Yeah. Yeah. Like a like

40:36

a smaller zigger, like a smaller zigger that

40:39

kind of deal. And it had to like program

40:41

to run itself around this maze and

40:43

hit certain checkpoints and get to

40:45

the end in as efficient and efficiently

40:48

as efficient as possible. Mhmm. That was the only fun

40:50

thing -- Right. -- I ever did on the call just because

40:52

it was like a cool thing that we all

40:54

came together for, and we could actually see the

40:56

final result of our hard work instead of just, you know, doing a

40:58

model or doing, you know, modeling some stuff

41:00

on a computer or some shit like work with other

41:03

people and it's, you know, like, if

41:05

you trust these people -- Yeah. -- they do their thing, and I trust,

41:07

you know, myself and my teachers and I put it together

41:09

and work. Exactly. But, like, I feel

41:12

like the problem with I I

41:14

feel like that kind of thing needs to be integrated in the course

41:16

because I know myself. And

41:18

if there was some cool thing

41:20

that you could have done with your

41:22

course that was extracurricular

41:24

activity in university. I wouldn't have

41:26

fucking signed up for it. I I

41:28

know I wouldn't have. Yeah. So maybe not in my

41:30

third year because I was already way to invest in

41:32

YouTube. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Never mind. But I think

41:35

there are a lot of people that would Yeah.

41:37

Definitely. There's a lot of people in

41:39

that middle ground who maybe do a specific course.

41:41

And I think this happens a lot in engineering

41:43

where that in that middle group where they're

41:45

like, okay. They they're doing engineering. They

41:47

have an interest

41:50

in but also there's nothing really keeping them,

41:52

like, super super invested. Right.

41:54

Yeah. And if you could just kinda capture that

41:56

kinda middle group people -- Yeah. -- and push them to,

41:58

hey, look, you can you can

42:00

actually make stuff and make a difference. And I

42:02

think a lot of people don't even know that they would be

42:04

interested in it until you sort

42:06

of, like, you open that door, if you sort of connect the dot between here, you made a CAD

42:08

model and then you printed it and you're just like,

42:10

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's

42:12

almost like, It's like stifling

42:14

a kid who's interested in something where it's like, you

42:16

know, a kid isn't oh, I wanna learn about this and

42:18

the parents like, no. And it's like for, what, a hundred and

42:20

fifty bucks, you could bought them, like, a LEGO

42:22

set or something like that, and I would have, like,

42:24

inspired this lifelong, you know, like,

42:26

learning obsession. Yeah. Yeah. Like, think of how cheap

42:28

that is. You know, like, like, you tens of

42:30

dollars for the school. Like, it's an investment.

42:32

Yeah. For, like, universities. I

42:34

mean, they have lots of money. Yeah. They

42:36

told you, don't want to They don't hire required

42:38

to get people excited about stuff. You know,

42:40

it's like, oh, we have a machine shop, but nobody can use

42:42

the tools because you're gonna kill

42:45

Did you I don't know. Did you did you just what? When

42:47

they make you buy? Like, they made me buy. I remember I

42:49

was so annoyed about this. I was like, what? What?

42:51

They made and they wouldn't let you buy

42:53

a cheap version of they made you buy a book with, like,

42:55

the table of all the thermodynamic, like, constants

42:58

of every material. Mhmm. And I I remember it

43:00

was, like, it was something like a hundred dollars.

43:03

for that book. And if you if you did bring not

43:05

the book they recommend, they were, like, confiscated

43:07

off. Just you just brought back, like, a

43:09

wave of memory So you have this

43:11

this thermodynamic tape? Not this book, but just what you have. I mean, it was seen with books. Yeah.

43:14

University textbooks in general. I

43:16

remember showing up on my

43:18

first day I'm

43:20

like, I'm ready to take on university. I got some spare

43:22

change. First, they rock up and

43:24

they're like, this is the recommended you

43:27

have to buy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Really?

43:29

These are the textbooks you're going to need, and then

43:31

you look up the prices, and it's like

43:34

minimum minimum, like, like, first

43:36

edition. It's eighty pounds

43:38

or some shit. Like that one. I'm not a hundred pounds.

43:40

Yeah. So that's one hour. eight textbooks you

43:42

need. I'm like, See, because we that

43:44

list as well of, like, oh, these are textbooks

43:46

you'll be using during your first semester. Yeah.

43:48

But you don't need it if you don't want it.

43:50

They don't need it. Okay. I want.

43:53

the end the thermionic one at least on my exams. If you

43:55

didn't have that book, you literally couldn't do this. So they wouldn't

43:57

let you that you had to have that for the exam. If

43:59

you went into the exam without it, you have

44:01

to remember every constant. for every material, if you like grade

44:03

of aluminum. Alright. Alright. Aluminum. Gross.

44:06

Aluminum. It's been said about the first

44:08

time. You know, and they would be like different like,

44:10

it'll be like

44:12

heat treated Aluminum. Yeah. It would be like This is the constant. Yeah. Yeah. This

44:14

is insane. Like, I understand that, you

44:16

know, like, I just think that why

44:18

can't you Is that is that

44:20

something you're supposed to remember as a No.

44:22

No. You can't remember the cops. No. It's Well,

44:24

they'd wear the fuck because they're dickhead. Well,

44:28

they to get used to the idea of that. Okay. If you're using this material --

44:30

Yeah. -- using, like, tungsten. You need a hundred

44:32

dollar book to do it. So, like, you Oh, can

44:34

you know that that would be fine.

44:36

Google it? Yeah. Like in the real world Like a like a normal real world

44:38

too. I mean, it it probably would

44:40

be good. And maybe you reference

44:42

it once I'm sure today, there's

44:44

probably, like, an app specifically that just

44:46

has, like, a list of This book was, like,

44:48

editions. I bet these materials weren't changing that

44:50

much. I'm sorry. Anyone doing any stuff like

44:52

this is gonna have the resources in the actual

44:54

industry. Like, it's just you you you have someone

44:56

who's gonna deal with materials, someone who's gonna

44:58

deal with Every single

45:00

cat model. you would put in the material and the type of material it was and it would

45:02

do it for you. It wouldn't even it wouldn't like,

45:04

you wouldn't need to know the constant like Wow. You

45:06

definitely, like, there are jobs that you have to do

45:08

this stuff. But it's also,

45:10

like, most of the time.

45:12

It's just like it's it's a you pay an

45:14

absurd amount of money. Yeah. You go to college or

45:16

university or whatever. and then they they greet

45:18

you with a, hey, spend another thousand

45:20

bucks. We wanted to use to live on

45:22

these dumb books just because we refuse to

45:24

make it any easier for it, which

45:26

they cut. Yeah. And it's and it's just like I remember this big

45:28

pile of textbooks that like I had when I

45:30

finished my degree and

45:32

ninety percent of them were

45:34

just untouched They were like, yeah.

45:36

pristine condition. And I spent, like,

45:38

fucking three hundred four hundred bucks getting this

45:40

shell textbook. So I'm like, why the fuck did

45:42

I spend that amount of money? I'm a broke college

45:44

student. And you can't resell them. Yes. because there's

45:46

additions. Yeah. I mean, barely anything

45:48

changes. They rearrange the question. Yeah.

45:50

Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. What a rip

45:52

off? Yeah. Let's call

45:54

it. Alright. Yeah. I know it made me

45:56

feel bad. Mhmm. I'm still yeah. What do you mean? I'm just

45:58

realizing that, like, actual scam. There

46:00

was, like, shit scam. Yeah.

46:04

Like, you I can't believe it. I would, like, strip the security off

46:06

the PDFs. Like, I've, like, spent

46:08

hours and

46:08

I was trying to find ways to do that,

46:10

like, finding some python script that someone

46:13

wrote and then like and, like, throwing the PDF in there. Like Yeah.

46:15

I remember I bought one. Alright. I rent and

46:18

I think I bought it from Barnes and

46:20

Noble. Yeah. An ebook.

46:22

Then I've used this, like,

46:24

Python script I found to, like, strip all

46:26

the security out of it. And then I

46:28

returned the book back to Barnes and Noble.

46:31

And so you had a copy We had a copy of the PDF that

46:33

was clean and easier to use than send it

46:35

around overall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where would

46:37

this from be? It's years ago. Oh, okay.

46:39

I'm pretty stupid. I didn't know what book it

46:42

was. I can't

46:44

find it. That's

46:46

good. Yeah. It's a genius. I I really just like, I

46:49

like doing, like, making stuff. I think it's kinda like

46:51

art. Like, I feel I always used

46:53

to laugh at, like, stem

46:55

I mean, you've heard of stem before. Like Yeah. Yeah.

46:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then steam where they, like, would

46:59

throw art into it, and I'm like, whoa, art doesn't belong

47:01

in here. Yeah. And the way I think about it, the more it's

47:03

like, making stuff, is half art? Oh, yeah. because you have to

47:05

visualize. Yeah. Exactly. kinda have this this, like, in like,

47:08

vision for it that is quite difficult,

47:10

and it's very, difficult

47:12

at times. Yeah. And it's like, why else would

47:14

you want to do something if it wasn't art? Like, if

47:16

you have to solve a problem, that's more engineering. But if

47:18

you want to do something that is kind

47:20

artistic. You know, like, I used to try to make, like, camera

47:23

equipment and stuff. So I I had, like, a really crappy, like, camera

47:25

slider that

47:25

was, like, skateboard wheels and PVC pipes

47:27

on, like, little what

47:30

are those swivel e wheels called? You know,

47:31

like, swivel e wheels. So the ones that you have

47:34

on, like, office chair. Yeah. Yeah. And so you could, like, you

47:36

know, slide it back

47:38

and forthly camera moves and stuff. It's

47:40

like making, like, equipment that you couldn't afford to buy. That's cool. And, like, I made

47:42

a thing, you know, camera

47:46

gimbals, stabilized ones. Like, before any, like, the cheap nice ones from

47:48

DJI came out. Mhmm. I bought one from some kid

47:50

who had, like, screwed it up. So I bought it for, like, a hundred

47:52

bucks because he had destroyed it and he was just trying to, like, get

47:54

some of his

47:56

money back. like Craig's body from him. Fixed it up, and then I

47:58

I programmed a bunch of stuff and added some electronics

48:00

so that I could have this camera monitor

48:02

wirelessly, like, external to

48:04

it. Mhmm. And so you could

48:06

as you pivoted the monitor, the camera that someone else was holding over here wouldn't move. That's insane.

48:09

And it's like, I

48:12

didn't need to do that. Like, why did I do that? It's not because I'm trying to solve an actual

48:14

problem I had because that kind of stuff just like, oh, this

48:16

is cool. Yeah. I just thought it was cool. And so it's like, you

48:18

know, that to me made me realize I think that

48:21

engineering like, science stuff with more art where it's, like, I'm I'm trying to,

48:23

like, do things that I think are cool and interesting and see

48:25

if I can solve these problems, which is, like, not

48:27

far off from. It's like painting.

48:29

I

48:29

mean, do you guys do any kind of

48:31

hardcore traditional art stuff? I don't Have you

48:34

tried have you tried painting that? I have I think

48:36

I have negative art skills. Yeah. I did a little bit

48:38

when I was, you know, when never good at it. Well,

48:40

I mean, I feel like most people are bad at it. Yeah.

48:42

There's a reason why I don't know it anymore.

48:44

Yeah. Right? Like, any of it is just

48:46

like no one's no one's like, I mean, I'm sure there's a prodigy,

48:48

but most people aren't good at all. beat

48:51

them up. Yeah. You know,

48:53

YouTube's in our form Yeah. Breaking,

48:56

breaking content. Ryan, breaking content.

48:58

I mean, I think being able to visualize. I make

49:00

content. I

49:02

make awesome. I think it takes a very

49:04

creative mindset to go to visualize a

49:06

flow and and kind of have that mind

49:09

telling a story. Yeah. Yeah. That's

49:12

hard. people can't do that normally. If you do have to you do need practice.

49:14

Yeah. The easier it looks like your

49:16

video was to make -- Yeah. -- about it. Yeah.

49:18

-- the harder it was. to know. And a lot people -- Exactly. --

49:20

don't understand. Like, they think that we are much

49:23

more talented than we actually are. Like, it's

49:25

a lot more head banging your against the

49:27

wall to, like, get something to

49:29

be Don't say that. I was riding on I mean, I

49:31

love your The illusion is

49:33

perfect. Your videos are very stressful.

49:35

Yeah. Like, the mister beast one stressed me that.

49:37

I felt stressed watching that one.

49:40

What's the mister base one? Yeah. You wanna

49:42

explain it? You

49:42

wanna explain it? I know you guys got it. It's

49:44

a it's a video. I

49:47

So I got AII got it. I mean,

49:49

it was such a whole thing that I'm trying to, like,

49:51

even just compare This is, like, Trolls. I'm sorry. Am I

49:53

digging up Trolls. Yeah.

49:56

Yes. In I

49:58

thought it

49:59

was like a year ago. Mhmm. They

50:02

asked if we wanted to make, like, a

50:04

subscriber counter for pending off. Oh, I thought it was

50:06

this and the the

50:08

exploding thing as well. It's both. Oh, okay. So

50:10

it kinda started. So it's awesome. Yeah. Like, this

50:12

sounds fun. Like, know, it'd be, like, an introduction to their team

50:14

and be able to see how they do stuff and clock

50:16

them. Mhmm. Yes. Exactly. clock them

50:19

roadmaps. Right. Oh. So that was kind

50:21

of the initial conversation. And then after that, a couple weeks

50:23

later, they're like, hey, we're doing this good

50:25

game thing. And I

50:27

was like, oh, like, okay. Like, what do you what do you

50:29

want? What do you need? And it

50:31

it was it was

50:34

a lot.

50:35

And basically, we

50:38

needed to build some sort of, like, Squibb system to make

50:40

it look like people were being shot. Yeah. Right. Right.

50:42

Yeah. Shoot. Oh, okay. Yeah. So

50:44

they wanted to locate a bunch of

50:46

scenes from the show. Yeah. And in order

50:48

to do that, you know, what they do in

50:50

Hollywood is they'll have little explosives. Like, that's

50:53

I think the actual squid term --

50:55

Yeah. -- for the explosive charge that propels to, like, the blood out. Yeah. Right. But they can

50:57

use them for dirt and stuff. So you can bury them in dirt and come dirt

50:59

and get, like, like, bullet hits

51:01

and stuff. So what

51:03

you do on for

51:04

budget is you kind of use an air valve, you get

51:06

like a piece of tube, a sprinkler valve basically little

51:08

air tank out of PVC and you can, like, project

51:10

blood out that way. But when you're talking

51:12

five hundred people. Yeah. Like, there's nothing that exists that can do that.

51:14

Right. And so we went through this, like,

51:16

nightmare process to

51:19

essentially theorize like,

51:22

completely synthesized from scratch, a device that

51:24

could be replicated five hundred times

51:27

in basically two weeks. So

51:29

so yeah. So when you found out about

51:31

this project Yeah. When you found out about project,

51:33

was it two weeks before, three weeks

51:36

before? Three weeks when the call Three that's

51:38

the exact People's thinks three weeks. They

51:40

don't really understand what that means. Yeah. It would take a

51:42

week just to get the idea together. Yeah. And

51:44

that's rushing. Yeah. So that was week

51:47

one. Week one was essentially what people think

51:49

you have three weeks for. It's actually only one week.

51:51

So you have one week to send something to

51:53

a company to have a prototype come

51:55

Because I remember in the video, there's a lot of problems with

51:58

certain companies wouldn't make certain things. It was

52:00

a disaster. Right? It was

52:02

a disaster. It was really

52:04

bad. And it was probably, like, I

52:06

don't like, I try to be very, like, kind of

52:08

passive and peaceful when I talk to people about

52:10

problems. Right. I

52:12

lost my shit multiple times talking.

52:14

You're like, like, I was actually I I

52:16

at one point, I was talking to someone on the phone. I, like, I

52:18

felt bad. I'm like, I don't know if I'm going far or not.

52:20

Like, I'm just being a total asshole right now, but I was like, like, I literally said, like, I I'm

52:23

fuck. You fucked us. And she was like, language.

52:25

And I was like, What

52:27

do you mean length of the fuck to us? Like like,

52:30

I'm speaking English. Like, you're more worried.

52:32

Like, they couldn't fulfill an order or something. They just

52:34

didn't give a shit. Right. Right.

52:36

Right. You'd sent them, like, like, ten

52:38

grand. It was gonna be, like, twenty thousand

52:40

dollars. And we sent the first I think I think that

52:42

yeah. I mean, if if you if you're spending

52:44

ten grand. Yeah. And it's, like, if if

52:47

I sign up for something and you tell me it

52:49

may or may not happen. There's no guarantee it's gonna

52:51

cost us much money. I'm like, okay, you've warned me. But

52:53

when you say that you're gonna get it done and,

52:55

like, three days, and then nothing happens. Like, how am I

52:57

not supposed to be pissed for you? No. Yeah. Yeah. You don't

52:59

have it every right too. Yeah. So you had, like, you

53:02

had one week of planning and then two

53:04

week of guess, assembling five hundred. So Well, because there's

53:06

there's like an app as well and all that. And that

53:08

must've I just yeah. III

53:10

wanna ask about it because it seemed like

53:12

crazy. It was It was hands

53:14

down, type two fun. It was, like,

53:16

one of the worst experiences of fire

53:18

life. Well, type one fun. Type one fun, I

53:20

think, where it's

53:22

actually fun. type two is where it's fun after the fact. Oh, okay. Oh,

53:24

okay. I'm on the hook. I

53:26

know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That

53:28

explains so there's so many things I

53:30

know in the moment. I hated it. And I feel like that

53:32

was awesome. Yeah. Is there a type

53:33

three font? I don't know.

53:34

I respect my phrase. I

53:37

understand So okay. So you had

53:39

this company fuck you. And then I remember in the

53:41

video there's, like, some some families -- Yeah. -- own business.

53:43

So some small family business that's, like,

53:45

really understands the whole like

53:47

circuit board making world. Yeah. They basically

53:50

intervened and they helped to handle

53:52

everything because they understand how

53:54

the whole pipeline works that understand how to deal with

53:56

these companies because it turns out, like, half of these

53:58

PCB manufacturing companies are in Denver,

54:00

Colorado. Right. Like, they it's

54:02

almost like an that's the chip bolded something. Yeah. they

54:04

make the fiberglass -- Right. -- complicated with comprised.

54:06

Right. So these guys don't make

54:08

the fiberglass because that's, like, a very disgusting process,

54:11

and it's, like, very It's a whole yeah.

54:13

It's a whole chemical thing and

54:16

huge machines. Like, huge, huge, huge

54:18

assembly lines. And so these guys essentially helped us to

54:20

to intervene and go to the

54:22

company that was originally making them, still have

54:24

them make the fiberglass because that's the hardest part

54:26

to make.

54:28

then intercept them, take them to their small shop where they would then assemble

54:30

them, which is the whole secondary process.

54:32

Like, it it is like it

54:35

is such a convoluted process that

54:38

does not work well if you have not

54:40

enough time to do it. Like, you have to almost

54:42

double the time you need in order for it

54:44

to go Yeah. Was your was your first question, like, why didn't you give me more

54:46

notices? No. I didn't ask

54:48

them any questions. Like, I was very blunt with

54:50

them. That's why I was worried some people would get

54:52

upset with

54:54

know, mister B's team for asking for something so crazy, but

54:57

it's like they had this

54:59

problem. Mhmm. And I said, I think

55:01

we can do it. And I gave them I gave them a price.

55:03

There's a lot of money. And I was like, it's gonna cost an insane amount

55:05

of money. Right. Because everything we do is, like, if

55:07

you buy something for five dollars, you pay eighty dollars

55:09

to ship it overnight. Yeah.

55:12

Everything is, like, balls to the wall,

55:14

whatever is the most expensive, fastest, guaranteed. You

55:16

know? Gotcha. And I

55:18

warned them that you guys potentially gonna pay us this money and we're not gonna deliver

55:20

you something. Are you okay with that? And they're like, yeah.

55:22

And they said, okay. Well, that seems like a

55:24

very mis thing

55:26

to eat too. It's just like money can solve all

55:29

problems. I can't If

55:31

you throw enough money, to

55:33

to fix themselves. Sure. But I mean, that

55:35

that was, like, the fairest, most honest thing

55:37

I could tell them was, like, I'm not gonna be a yes

55:39

man or a no man. I'm just gonna tell you

55:41

exactly how fuzzy it is. Yeah. You wanna take the risk. Well, as

55:43

an engineer, I I hear, like, the three

55:46

weeks delivery time for the fucking

55:48

scale of this project. I'm like, I would

55:50

like to see this project be attempted in

55:52

Japan. She's like, okay. Let me send the

55:54

idea off for approval. You wait three weeks. It

55:56

takes it takes three months for a problem. Yeah. I'm

55:58

like, we're also waiting for approval. We're gonna

56:00

yeah. We kinda missed the deadline there. Yeah. The boss

56:02

is off, you know -- Yeah. -- fucking another

56:06

woman. I would I would wish to never do it again. Like, it

56:08

was, like, three weeks. Like, I'm Sounds

56:10

like I Yeah. But it was it was,

56:12

like, the

56:14

most stress I have endured at all. Did they explain to

56:16

you how they got into this position in

56:18

the first place where they needed this

56:21

Project delivered in three weeks. It's just

56:23

I I wanna say TV because it's just like an

56:25

idea. They're like, I don't even get this done. They just it

56:27

was like, Squid Game hype gotta do it now as

56:30

quickly as possible. Right. at the deadlines. And it's like, then you look at the show the

56:32

the episode of mister Beast, and it's like

56:34

everybody else who did something similar.

56:38

Right. Like, the giant sets -- Yeah. -- or the bridge or this

56:40

and -- Yeah. -- special effects. And it's -- Yeah.

56:42

-- bullshit you guys.

56:46

It's like, It was that's crazy. It was easy, really was.

56:48

Yeah. I wasn't seeing the final result

56:50

of seeing, like, what you got involved with, and

56:52

just seeing

56:54

this Like, I think this is the biggest project that's been on YouTube

56:56

that has that comes to my mind.

56:58

I was like Other than other than

57:01

Jimmy also doing the willy wonka thing. Well,

57:03

it's all just juice. It's all just streaming stuff

57:05

at this point, you know what I mean. Right. But

57:07

I I think Goodgame was, like, the first one

57:09

that really sets the level

57:11

of what he could do and and like him

57:14

just, like, completely leveling up his

57:16

content. I mean, didn't you say that

57:18

that video cost him more money than the entire production budget of the

57:20

TV series design? I think it was it was it was

57:22

very expensive. It's like two, three million dollars.

57:24

Right? Yeah. Something like that. And I think

57:26

that it

57:28

was approaching or it was comparable. Like, it was in the

57:30

same ballpark. Like, it wasn't exactly

57:32

the same. I don't even think it was half.

57:35

But it was much closer than it should have been for

57:37

a YouTube video. Yeah. Yeah. For a single YouTube channel.

57:39

five million. Right? I think it was overall. That's

57:41

something crazy. I yeah. I think something I

57:44

can't remember It was the production budget for the squid game.

57:46

TV series was like more. And and --

57:48

Yeah. -- wasn't And then the mister Chris, Chris, we

57:50

can find it. I remember he publicly said how

57:52

much it I've Yeah.

57:54

They shared all their It was like two or three million, if

57:56

I remember correctly. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Two or

57:58

three million. Yeah. Two or three million. Two of those

58:00

scripts. Yeah.

58:02

Yeah. we should have asked them for more money, but they had already

58:04

paid it was the whole thing. Oh, shoot. You

58:06

were like fuck. Well, no. I did

58:08

ask for more and they gave us more, but -- Okay.

58:11

-- I we need to spend a bunch more money too. We I was gonna

58:13

say, I imagine that initially, you probably gave an estimate

58:15

that was very generous, but even then it's like,

58:17

okay. Well, overnight shipping or plus all the --

58:19

Yeah. -- property with the old companies.

58:21

Yeah. And it was all it's also

58:23

weird, like, being on YouTube and asking

58:26

somebody for an insane amount of money because, like, every if

58:28

any other person came to me and asked me about that, I'm, like,

58:30

I would just say no. Like, the only reason I

58:32

even entertain the ideas, because it's mister B. So I'm like, okay.

58:34

Well, if anyone's gonna be willing to pay

58:36

what it's gonna cost to do this, it's gonna make

58:38

sense. It's like we had to, like, mobilize people

58:40

that had, like, day jobs at silicon valley

58:42

tech companies. It's like they've literally, like, had to

58:44

do most of the secret agents.

58:46

So how do you convince someone who

58:48

works at a tech company? who, like, has trouble getting

58:50

time off to basically play hooky.

58:52

I am. Sure. That was I

58:54

mean, it seemed like your team was pretty good Yeah.

58:57

Yeah. We could It seemed like it was very funny, dude. I enjoyed your video about it. I'd seemed like

58:59

it you made it seem a lot more chill

59:01

than I imagined it was. Yeah.

59:04

Yeah.

59:06

What what was it like on the filming

59:08

day? Like, it was chaos. So,

59:10

like, the first day went horribly wrong.

59:13

Right?

59:13

Through the whole day away. It's not in the I didn't put

59:15

this in the video. Oh, really? Yeah. And I'll I'll No. We

59:17

at least we got some sneaky information

59:20

left. So, like, there's a whole

59:22

day that that went wrong, that

59:24

they threw away, and they ended up

59:26

paying all the contestants, like, an additional I

59:28

don't even remember how much it was. It was, like, I think, a

59:30

thousand bucks each or something like that. Jesus. what went wrong in the

59:32

day? It the pacing was

59:34

messed up because we had built

59:36

a the Squibb system -- Mhmm. -- and

59:38

there was another company that was supposed to do

59:40

motion detection. Right. I had I had, I

59:42

had warned them. I had tried very

59:44

much to warn them of, like, I

59:46

don't think that it should be done like this, but it was

59:48

too late because I'd already paid these guys. Yeah. And

59:51

the way we, like,

59:52

mesh the two systems together was not good.

59:54

Oh, so it just

59:55

didn't. So the reason oh, so the first day of the reason

59:57

why it went back, like, there wasn't

59:59

because the whole system was just broken. It was it was

1:00:01

not broken, but it was a pacing issue that

1:00:04

Jimmy wasn't happy with because it felt like

1:00:06

a show, not

1:00:08

a competition. because you wanted to be, like, real time. You wanted be, like, oh, like, you

1:00:10

know, green light go everyone runs. Red

1:00:12

light stops

1:00:12

and then it's, like, people start popping.

1:00:14

Yeah. So what was well,

1:00:17

yeah, there it goes. Yeah. So what was happening

1:00:19

was they would say green

1:00:22

light, red light, and

1:00:23

then it's like, this

1:00:25

guy. That guy. That guy. That guy. That

1:00:27

guy.

1:00:27

And it's, like, thirty seconds, forty five seconds,

1:00:30

like, a minute later. And it's, like, okay,

1:00:32

papa. And so

1:00:34

it's, like, It's dysfunctional. Like, it

1:00:36

just everyone's, like, not holding still, trying to

1:00:38

hold still, and they're saying, oh, they're moving this.

1:00:40

And so

1:00:42

it just know, I mean, they did everything really quickly three weeks. Oh, well, I would

1:00:44

argue, one of those, like, thirty, forty five

1:00:46

seconds of silence be cut out of the video

1:00:48

anyway? Yeah. But I think that Jimmy likes

1:00:50

it to

1:00:52

realistic. Realistic. And it also just kind of I don't know. It

1:00:54

could be a weird energy if everyone is sitting there.

1:00:56

I can, like, I can see why you'd

1:00:59

I guess Yeah. I mean, that's gonna be an expensive decision,

1:01:01

though, to push it back anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So

1:01:03

what was the solution in there? The solution

1:01:05

was they basically scrap that entire

1:01:07

other system that they had already paid for. Oh, wow.

1:01:09

Then we we were lucky because we had developed the

1:01:11

iOS app -- Yeah. -- which

1:01:13

also wasn't even supposed to be a part of the original plan.

1:01:15

It just, like, that's a

1:01:18

whole, like, What's that? Well, this is one of my friends, friends,

1:01:20

like, heard about the project, and he started just sort of

1:01:22

making this. Yeah. Just

1:01:24

for fun. Yeah. And I saw it, and I

1:01:26

was like, Yes.

1:01:28

I I want a friend that just makes iOS foreign

1:01:30

so foreign. Well, it turns out it's like

1:01:32

like YouTube and mister Beast and

1:01:35

money are a very good way to get people

1:01:37

excited about it. Like, you you can

1:01:39

pay people to do something, but you can't pay

1:01:41

them to get excited That's true. That's true. And that's, like, it's,

1:01:43

you know, people get kind of upset about that sometimes. I'm like,

1:01:45

oh, I'm here to work so that I can pay my

1:01:47

bills. I'm just like, I get

1:01:49

it, but also if you are

1:01:52

excited about something the work ends up, you know, ends up

1:01:54

being Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. if it's everybody. It's

1:01:56

better if you invested in it. Yeah. It's better if

1:01:58

you're passionate about that. fixed all the

1:02:00

problems. So we scaled the app from, like,

1:02:02

six iPads to a hundred

1:02:04

iPhones. And so literally, we

1:02:06

maxed out the developer account. or we're just, like, we

1:02:08

spent entire night just programming

1:02:10

iPhones over -- No worries. -- phone doesn't like

1:02:12

USB. You did all this in one night

1:02:14

-- Oh, it took two hours. -- two

1:02:16

hours. Yeah. So And then

1:02:18

and then you like, you can here's

1:02:20

hundred iPhones. So there were five hundred iPhones

1:02:22

because everybody originally was wearing an iPhone all the

1:02:24

contestants. Yeah. that was supposed to see the motion detection. But the

1:02:27

problems they started dying. Yeah. Okay.

1:02:29

We were filming so long. Yeah. Because I

1:02:31

was like, oh, I'm listening to this, and I'm

1:02:33

like, yeah. we had an issue with our Gopro's

1:02:36

on bikes with because

1:02:38

we kinda just hoped that if you

1:02:40

strap portable battery and it charges the

1:02:42

Gopro, then it would work. what

1:02:44

perfectly. But there are some issues that

1:02:46

you just can't -- Yeah. -- like,

1:02:48

predict. Yeah. Yeah. Like when we were

1:02:50

filming our drifting special,

1:02:52

our gopro's were just overheats because it

1:02:54

was so hot. Yeah. We just -- Yeah. -- didn't have a

1:02:56

solution. So there was, like, nothing you can do. Yeah. I don't

1:02:58

even think they sell something can handle that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:00

So just think it, like, here in this story,

1:03:03

I'm just thinking, yeah, we're just gonna, like,

1:03:05

make a tech solution in, like,

1:03:07

six hours and just kinda hope it doesn't that it works

1:03:09

on this three million dollar video.

1:03:11

I'm like, there's there's, like,

1:03:13

part of me,

1:03:16

like, all of me is like stress right now. And I wasn't even part of this

1:03:18

part of this project. Where the people just like,

1:03:20

you know, because obviously they wanna

1:03:22

know when it's when it's gonna work.

1:03:25

there. I love people being like, hey, William. One second.

1:03:27

I fixed. Yeah. So I I

1:03:29

basically whoever, like, Arlene is on there, he's great.

1:03:31

No. Yeah. And he

1:03:34

gets it. and he trust me and I trust him and said, like, there's really good communication

1:03:36

there where it's like, I'm I'm gonna be as literal as

1:03:38

possible. Like, I'm not gonna be funky. I'm not

1:03:40

gonna hide anything. But there's a lot of

1:03:42

people who kind of are more

1:03:44

TV minded. Uh-huh. And

1:03:46

I at that point, I had

1:03:48

such a short temper.

1:03:50

From all the stress. Yeah.

1:03:53

I was like, the instant, like, somebody came

1:03:55

like, any of their guys came to any of my guys

1:03:57

and they were asking stupid questions, I would just,

1:03:59

like, I

1:03:59

think they learned like, don't. Dude. What what kind of things are

1:04:02

that? Which is like, oh, like, when's it gonna be ready?

1:04:04

When's this one? Oh, my gosh. And

1:04:06

I'm like, oh, that's gonna do it. And I'm like, I'm like, you

1:04:08

guys, like, Right now, you're seeing that, like,

1:04:10

videos like a raccoon and a trash can. Yeah.

1:04:12

Yeah. And they open the lid, it's like it's stuck and it

1:04:14

can't go anywhere. So it's like it's really aggressive. It's like

1:04:16

you've tracked it. Wow. That

1:04:18

was me. I was

1:04:20

like, I

1:04:20

am trapped in this this

1:04:22

environment of having to make this

1:04:25

thing work. Yeah. if you have to wait thirty minutes. Like, how much

1:04:27

money it cost you? Like, go

1:04:30

away. I just I just realized is it ready yet?

1:04:32

Is one of the

1:04:34

most asinine questions to ask. It's like, if it was ready, I would fucking tell

1:04:36

you. It's the equivalent to are we there

1:04:38

yet? Yeah. because you know or it's like, why you're asking me.

1:04:40

Christmas though, what'd you do it

1:04:42

again? Yeah.

1:04:46

depends. How much are we

1:04:48

talking? And he always say no.

1:04:50

That's before his eyes for that

1:04:52

moment there. I I would say no.

1:04:54

Unless, I the

1:04:56

idea was exciting. The idea

1:04:58

was exciting. and it would

1:05:00

it would have to be a little bit more time. Yeah. Yeah.

1:05:02

Like, literally one extra

1:05:04

week. Yeah. I would have been would have made a

1:05:06

huge difference. because there's just

1:05:08

something about, like, if you have too much time,

1:05:10

you'll drag it out. And if you have too little time,

1:05:12

it's gonna be a nightmare. Like, there's a sweet spot where,

1:05:14

like, you can start panicking at

1:05:16

five weeks. you'll get it done. Mhmm. Right. Yeah. If you have five

1:05:18

years, like, why are you gonna rush?

1:05:20

Yeah. Just, like, here in the story, it

1:05:22

actually, like, gives

1:05:24

me a IT. It's like

1:05:26

it's like, you know, like, you know that

1:05:28

feeling where you've got a you've

1:05:30

got a deadline the next day and you haven't

1:05:32

started your dissertation until the night for. It feels like

1:05:34

that, but just for, like, three weeks constant, like,

1:05:36

the crushing feeling of knowing it

1:05:38

can't be done. Yeah. That was a normal thing

1:05:40

for, like, only a couple days, that whole three weeks. Yeah. I

1:05:42

I think eleven flights. There's not Where where

1:05:44

were you going? I've flipped to San

1:05:46

Francisco, I've

1:05:46

flipped to Texas. So Colorado, Alabama.

1:05:50

Yeah. I think I would actually get, like like,

1:05:52

nightmares. Just like that. Yeah. Like, I just wake up

1:05:54

in a cold sweat. I was like, oh, Jimmy's got

1:05:56

a request. like,

1:05:58

I was probably sleeping, like, four

1:06:00

to six hours every night, which is not a

1:06:02

lot. Like, I sleep around every

1:06:04

night. It was it was a wrap. I mean, like, you

1:06:06

guys make you

1:06:07

know, like, bigger videos. Like, when you have a goal to go

1:06:09

do something, like, imagine, like, when you're doing a

1:06:11

video, failing is okay for the most part

1:06:14

because, you know, if I'm trying to do this and, you

1:06:16

know, oh, like, like, your car breaks down or

1:06:18

something. Like, that's part of the content. Yeah. But there's something horrible about about engineering

1:06:20

where not just engineering but engineering from,

1:06:22

like, a practical perspective, not a YouTube perspective.

1:06:26

where it's like five hundred of these have to work.

1:06:28

Yeah. It's not like my video where

1:06:30

I can make it work. And if it stops working, stop

1:06:32

filming, I fix it. And then I do, like,

1:06:35

these half to Yeah. They have to work. Yeah.

1:06:37

And exactly what I mean? It's it's it's a guess of

1:06:39

one where you involved in a project

1:06:42

like this, it's very different from just making your own video because you've

1:06:44

realized there's so many different moving

1:06:46

parts. Whereas if your moving part

1:06:48

doesn't work,

1:06:50

that then that affects every Everyone else's things -- Yeah. -- but they've been

1:06:52

working on. And it's just Oh. And then

1:06:54

you're, like, I know how much money they're spending

1:06:57

it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be

1:06:59

the guy that ruins it. Yeah. Like, it was

1:07:01

my senior design project in in college

1:07:04

was this UAV. It was like an

1:07:06

airplane that were supposed to fly and you're

1:07:08

supposed to look at targets in the ground and yada yada.

1:07:10

And there was, like, sixty people in the team. It was

1:07:12

way too many people. Right. So I

1:07:14

built this whole, like, image recognition system.

1:07:16

And it was supposed to, like, I I never programmed

1:07:18

it because long story short, it turns out if the plane

1:07:20

doesn't fly because the team that was supposed to make it

1:07:22

fly, didn't do a good job. then what's the point of

1:07:24

all the work guys? You know,

1:07:26

so it's like, I'm I'm not gonna be the

1:07:28

guy. Yeah. That doesn't allow this video

1:07:30

to take off. Like, it's not gonna

1:07:32

be me. Do we do we know

1:07:34

actually how much money it was spent on that video? Yes. Probably three point five. That sounds right.

1:07:36

Yeah. Three point five million.

1:07:40

So we weren't even right. It was three point 50I thought it

1:07:42

was, like, two point five percent shit. How much

1:07:44

was actuals good game? twenty

1:07:47

one point four. Yeah. Anyways, it's like a lot more.

1:07:49

Like, what are you talking about? Yes. A lot

1:07:51

of fucking money for you too, guys. A

1:07:53

lot of finance. I know. But if you really like

1:07:55

us better than the because people will be, like, they

1:07:57

were so excited about it being from a YouTube event. Like, it's a good game, and it's like, like,

1:07:59

come on, man. It's different. This it's a

1:08:02

different thing entirely. Why are you getting

1:08:04

oh, know you know how sometimes

1:08:06

you have a nightmare where you're like you go

1:08:08

to school and you're naked or some shit or you're like

1:08:10

haven't prepared for this homework. Do you think like

1:08:12

Jimmy's team just like wakes up and just

1:08:14

like Just wakes up to a fake phone call with Jimmy

1:08:17

or something having like a

1:08:19

request. You're fired. So

1:08:22

I actually we I filmed a video with him. So we did the

1:08:24

subscriber counter -- Mhmm. -- which I don't think

1:08:26

has been published anywhere. I'm not I'm not

1:08:29

making a video, but I'm not doing another project from, like,

1:08:31

I was just like, nope. He's gonna do this thing. Yeah. I'm

1:08:33

not gonna Yeah. But

1:08:35

I asked him if

1:08:37

I could make a video where I live with them for twenty

1:08:39

four hours. And he said, yes. Oh, wow. Oh, okay.

1:08:42

So I got to spend a full twenty four

1:08:44

hours, like, going through exactly what they

1:08:46

do every single day. Right. and got to sleep in his he

1:08:48

was bed in his

1:08:50

bedroom, but he's funny.

1:08:54

And it's definitely, like, there's a lot of, like, shopper owning where it's, like,

1:08:56

you gotta be here. You gotta be here. Like, his

1:08:58

phone's always going off. Like, people are always, like, asking

1:09:00

him for feedback about

1:09:03

stuff. And it's, like, It's a lot. Like,

1:09:05

I definitely, you know, it's a it's a whole thing. You get anxiety just being

1:09:07

near it. Yeah. Kind of. I think at the end of the

1:09:09

day, I would not trade places with them. No.

1:09:11

No way. No way. like,

1:09:14

absolutely not. I don't know. So what did you do in

1:09:16

this one twenty four hours then? Just everything you did.

1:09:18

When when is it coming out of the video?

1:09:20

I I don't know. or something. I noticed that

1:09:22

when I spoke to you, I'm like, yeah, editing, it takes a while. Yeah. because, like, usually, editing. Right?

1:09:25

And everything. Yeah. We've

1:09:27

been I've been having

1:09:29

somebody help me which has been helping a lot. Mhmm. Like, I I think that I just

1:09:31

I don't know. I mean, I

1:09:34

don't know

1:09:35

how you guys at it. But,

1:09:37

like, for me, it's like, I try to, like,

1:09:39

figure out, like, the best way to make it work. Yeah. I mean, they just it. I

1:09:40

I just, like, I used to,

1:09:42

and then I found, why would I

1:09:46

Why not? I get the opposite. Yeah. Ace to not. Oh,

1:09:48

she because I was, like, I am a

1:09:50

bad editor. Yeah. And there are people who are

1:09:52

all very good at it. I'm a

1:09:54

bad editor. Actually, just getting my until

1:09:56

it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still edit everything I

1:09:58

do, and it's more of just I think I've

1:10:01

just realized that ninety

1:10:03

percent of this work was

1:10:06

like there there are some things I terms terms portrays and

1:10:08

everything like that. And I

1:10:10

realized that was only about ten

1:10:14

percent of the video maybe. So I can get

1:10:17

someone else to do the stuff that I

1:10:19

hated doing, which is just cutting

1:10:21

down this timeline and getting this getting

1:10:23

this into the timeline and finding this good

1:10:25

results. Yeah. Yeah. And then I could do the

1:10:27

fun parts. Yeah. So Sorry, Alan. That's

1:10:29

what I'm trying to do. But, like, one of the things we've been thinking about a lot

1:10:31

recently is is, like, why are people watching certain things?

1:10:33

Like, what is it about

1:10:35

a video that gets

1:10:38

people. Like, why do people spend time watching YouTube it? Yeah. You know, and it's like trying to Why are you doing this stuff? I've you so

1:10:40

it's

1:10:40

like, you know, I never really understood Twitch

1:10:42

for the longest time. Mhmm. And then

1:10:48

every single day listening to, like, a radio

1:10:50

talk show. Yeah. That's exactly the same thing.

1:10:52

Like, literally exactly the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:54

And so now you can just see the

1:10:56

face. Right. No. And

1:10:58

I think that when I, like, try to think of why I watch videos, I like

1:11:00

stories. I like

1:11:01

sort of interesting, you know,

1:11:03

facts. I like, like, like,

1:11:07

motivation and purpose. And so we've been trying to, like, figure

1:11:09

out how do you become like, how do you

1:11:11

make the audience understand that

1:11:14

motivation and purpose before getting into Like, are doing Yeah. Why should

1:11:16

they stay to the end? Mhmm. Yeah. How do

1:11:18

you get, like, what's your creative process in

1:11:20

terms of, like, making ideas

1:11:22

then? Because it feels like your

1:11:26

videos now are so varied in terms of ideas. Is there like you you just like come up with random

1:11:28

idea? Or is it

1:11:30

like an entire process to

1:11:33

be like, this would be an interesting story to

1:11:36

tell. So

1:11:36

sometimes it's this would be an interesting title

1:11:38

thumbnail. Like, I think this title thumbnail would work

1:11:40

well. Good afternoon, Mark Roberts. Yeah.

1:11:42

Taught me a long time ago of, like, if I can't imagine the title thumbnail, I won't film the video. Mhmm. We've said

1:11:44

this is all. Yeah. And that's

1:11:47

can be really frustrating. as,

1:11:51

I guess, like, the artist side of things of, like but

1:11:53

I wanna do this thing, but I don't ideas. How do

1:11:55

you tell people? How do you convince people to watch

1:11:57

a thing? You know? And they'll and everyone will

1:11:59

tell you, like, sounds interesting. It's like -- Yeah.

1:12:01

-- it's easy to say, but actually, you know, clicking on is a different story.

1:12:03

Yeah. And so that's that's something where, you

1:12:05

know, I'm like, what what tends

1:12:07

to work well?

1:12:08

tend to or fall this is if

1:12:10

anybody's trying to do YouTube, is what

1:12:12

is an actual problem you actually have that you

1:12:14

can fix?

1:12:15

No. That works really well. Like,

1:12:18

here is an issue in my life that will most likely relate to other people. Yeah. Yeah. And that's going do two

1:12:20

things. Like, it's going to

1:12:22

help establish why you're doing it

1:12:27

and it's gonna tell them why they should get to the end of it. Yeah. Do do you need

1:12:29

to go to the doctor for your CT scan? Are you

1:12:31

putting it off? No. No. No. No.

1:12:33

No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

1:12:36

No. No. No. because

1:12:38

I actually spent days, like, I was planning on doing an x-ray video before I went to the hospital. Right.

1:12:40

That that video scared a

1:12:42

lot of people there. Right? Yeah.

1:12:47

because they were, like, x x. Right? Yeah. It's I mean,

1:12:49

it's not good based on iPad. Okay.

1:12:51

Hold on. Hold on. Right. You mean

1:12:53

So I I'm not I'm

1:12:55

not a radiation So I think I'm the

1:12:57

right guy for this job. X rays are ionizing radiation --

1:13:00

Mhmm. -- which

1:13:02

means that they can

1:13:04

damage yourselves -- Yeah. -- which can

1:13:06

cause cancer. So statistically speaking, if you're exposed to more ionizing radiation,

1:13:08

you will have a

1:13:11

higher chance of getting Yeah. If you

1:13:13

get on an airplane, you're being exposed to ionizing radiation. Yeah.

1:13:15

If you work on an airplane, you are

1:13:17

regularly being exposed to

1:13:20

ionizing radiation. an x-ray is

1:13:22

pretty much in the same ballpark as taking flights. Mhmm. So if you

1:13:24

work as like a stewardess or

1:13:26

a

1:13:26

pilot, you are being exposed to

1:13:30

way, way, way, way, way more radiation than

1:13:32

whatever that video was. Yeah. Which is

1:13:34

a little tariff.

1:13:35

I was going on a lot flight.

1:13:37

No. This I thought they'd fly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course course. I took my Geiger counter on a

1:13:39

flight because I wanted

1:13:43

to, like, no. I I was, like,

1:13:45

panicking. I had to shut it off because it was, like, beat me, beat me, beat me, beat me. Yeah.

1:13:47

Yes. It was going a shit. Now I was, like, it sounded like a bomb was

1:13:49

going off. And I was, like, trying to figure out and

1:13:52

mute it Oh,

1:13:54

my god. I don't even see you on my seat. They're running

1:13:56

around that bad. It's that bad. Yeah. Well,

1:13:58

you know what I mean?

1:13:59

You know, that's that's so simple. Yeah. really.

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1:14:04

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1:15:03

during this episode? Back to the video. Alright. I found a chart.

1:15:05

Radiation dose chart. So

1:15:08

sleeping next to someone. This is from

1:15:10

XKCD Sleeping next to

1:15:12

somebody? is point

1:15:14

o five microsieverts -- Okay. -- which is nothing. Background

1:15:16

radiation dose received

1:15:19

by an average person for

1:15:23

one normal day is ten microsieverts -- Okay. --

1:15:25

a flight from New York to

1:15:27

LA's forty microsieverts. Okay.

1:15:29

Well, likewise,

1:15:32

just existing Mhmm. You

1:15:32

get background radiation. A dental x-ray

1:15:35

is five microseavirons. Well, the less

1:15:37

than

1:15:37

the average day that you

1:15:40

get? Yes. and the plane is

1:15:42

forty forty. So it's like getting five of those as far as Yeah. So then the chest

1:15:44

x-ray is twenty

1:15:47

micro c words. Mhmm. So

1:15:49

it's half a plane. Yeah. Half a plane. Alright. So if you stay on a plane from the elevator, New York,

1:15:52

that is You're getting two

1:15:54

x rays. You're getting two chest x

1:15:56

rays. Okay.

1:15:58

What's what's what's up on that

1:15:59

list? By the end of trash tea

1:16:02

store, we're gonna be, like, glowing. Yeah.

1:16:04

Alright. Corner's gonna have, like, a

1:16:06

third arm. Okay. Call this another transform into the hole.

1:16:09

The EPA's yearly

1:16:12

release target for a

1:16:14

nuclear power plant, thirty microsieverts. Well, just

1:16:16

being working at the So so I think it's I think

1:16:18

so. Yes. I think it sounds like it's a very strict base. We can't have any

1:16:20

variation leaking from power plants.

1:16:22

That'd be thirty a day.

1:16:24

powerpoint i'll be thirty a day Yearly.

1:16:26

Oh. You're gonna be released.

1:16:28

I'm not really sure exactly what

1:16:30

that is. So is he yearly?

1:16:33

No. Every every year, thirty microsievers. Jesus.

1:16:35

It just gets worse and worse too when you

1:16:37

get because

1:16:37

it all depends, I think, on, like, where the

1:16:40

x rays going

1:16:42

-- Yeah. -- in my head can be really bad and whatnot. But

1:16:45

long story short,

1:16:46

it's

1:16:47

it's not that bad. I think

1:16:49

eating one banana is one point one

1:16:51

microceiver. So if you ate fifty bananas,

1:16:53

that's one dental x-ray. I mean --

1:16:56

Yeah. -- stock. That's for that's for

1:16:58

my daily diet. Yeah. I'm taking it down to my side today. I should just

1:17:00

I should just x-ray myself with that. Yeah. So x-raying

1:17:02

your hand wasn't that dangerous. But if you've been more

1:17:04

freaking out, remember the comment to you. Yeah.

1:17:06

And I and I talked to some

1:17:08

someone I went to high school with

1:17:11

is a, like, basically, like, a radiation kinda engineer -- Mhmm. -- for radical equipment.

1:17:13

And she would basically

1:17:15

said, like, if It's

1:17:18

not a big deal. I'll check for yourself. I'll check for now. Good. Yeah.

1:17:20

But Disclaimer, it is not it.

1:17:22

Good. It's good. Please don't go that

1:17:24

hard. they

1:17:27

take alcohol and go buying x It's like drinking alcohol. Like, would would

1:17:29

you ever tell somebody that drinking alcohol was

1:17:31

healthy? No.

1:17:33

from the No. No. But but

1:17:35

how cold was like, you know, Pete, that's I think I think

1:17:37

it's because it's like, you can't see it. Yeah.

1:17:39

It's scary. Yeah. I don't

1:17:41

know what's happening. Right. Media too has built it up.

1:17:43

a story of this crazy You just cancer cause.

1:17:46

It comes from space.

1:17:48

Yeah. I mean,

1:17:50

that led that led into the video about you getting, like, hey, comments

1:17:52

as well, which I thought was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:17:54

other people got mad at that one. Of of course,

1:17:56

they're getting a fucking mad. They're getting mad at it. Even

1:17:58

like friends, I know who don't watch your channel. Yeah.

1:18:00

They they who are YouTubers have watched that video. Yeah. because it's

1:18:02

I think this is something that a lot of people in the industry or field

1:18:04

can relate to a lot. Have you

1:18:07

ever seen this video? No. I've

1:18:09

seen that. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's explain explain video to me. So I I done very much

1:18:11

a noob when it comes to your channel. That's

1:18:15

fine. It's fine. I had done

1:18:17

a video

1:18:18

in the past where I, like, like, kinda looked at hate comments or crime comments where it was, like, I think buying

1:18:20

when I bought

1:18:23

a battle bot. Yeah. And some

1:18:25

people I knew it was gonna drive some people nuts. And so I

1:18:27

took some of those comments and kinda

1:18:30

made a humorous video and I'm

1:18:33

like, oh, I did the x-ray video

1:18:35

and got the I I'll the Yeah. I someone

1:18:37

was pretending to be

1:18:39

an expert. Okay. And

1:18:42

so I -- Yeah. -- basically reached

1:18:44

out to them. And

1:18:46

I kind of

1:18:48

made them

1:18:50

talk in a way that revealed they were not really that much

1:18:52

of an expert. Okay. Because I've had a

1:18:54

lot of interactions online related to, like, engineering and

1:18:56

safety, which are kind of frustrating. because, like, some

1:18:59

of the stuff is, like, not Super

1:19:01

safe. Yeah. But not crazy dangerous. Like, I'm probably a lot

1:19:03

safer than most people think. Right. Like I

1:19:05

remember long ago, I

1:19:07

made a video where I was testing

1:19:09

safety glasses -- Mhmm. -- with my laser cutter. Mhmm. And there was a comment talking about not having

1:19:12

to wear safety glasses

1:19:14

around laser cutter. He works

1:19:16

with But, like, what

1:19:18

the guy was completely missing was that the laser cutter I had uses like a mid range infrared light

1:19:20

-- Yeah. -- and the laser cutter he

1:19:22

was using is like a near IR.

1:19:27

So, like, near IR will go right through your cornea. Mhmm. Whereas,

1:19:29

the midrange will, like, basically, stop

1:19:31

at your cornea. I mean, it'll still burn the

1:19:33

crap out of your eye. But Yeah. And so you

1:19:35

end up with, like, people are

1:19:37

very willing to communicate completely, like, wrong information, which is terrifying

1:19:39

in in a confident

1:19:42

tone. Yes. Exactly. It's

1:19:44

like you're talking about something like like

1:19:46

blind people. Yeah. And it's like, no, you don't need to do that. I don't wanna do it. I don't do this. And it's like, oh my god. And I remember, like,

1:19:48

you know, replying to him. I don't really I

1:19:50

don't reply a comment saying it was years ago.

1:19:55

I said, like, are you talking about, like, fiber laser? Like, this is really different, blah blah. And

1:19:57

it's like, oh, yeah. I didn't I guess I guess that that's

1:19:59

not. And it's like,

1:20:02

if somebody read this, they're gonna I was like, oh, okay. I don't need to. Yeah. Exactly.

1:20:04

So I get really frustrated sometimes seeing, like, the

1:20:06

kind of, like, the technical talking. People just

1:20:08

say you think I mean, that's

1:20:11

what I do in the I just say shit

1:20:13

that I'm I'm confident about that is completely wrong. Yeah. Let's I mean,

1:20:15

we all we all do that. All three of us do. Of

1:20:17

course. Yeah. And we've done that plenty of

1:20:19

times. I'm like, I'm incredibly

1:20:21

paranoid about doing that. Mhmm. I don't know why other than, like, for safety stuff explicit. Like, I

1:20:23

do not, like, understand a lot more with

1:20:26

when you're making stuff and safety stuff

1:20:28

that you

1:20:31

can take that a lot more seriously. Yeah. If you if you say the wrong thing about

1:20:33

an anime series, it's not a lifelong strategy. Yeah.

1:20:35

So and and our

1:20:37

audience knows not to listen love for fucking clowns to begin

1:20:40

with anyway. But I guess I

1:20:42

guess we'll view all expertise and

1:20:44

how how your content

1:20:46

is, like, what your content is about and see why

1:20:48

people would, I guess, pay more attention

1:20:49

to that. Right. Yeah. There's a there's a bit

1:20:52

more severity to,

1:20:54

you know, saying the wrong thing. I feel. So I try to put disclaimers where it's like,

1:20:55

I'm not an expert or I think this is how it

1:20:58

works. Yeah. Right. Right. In that way, it's kind of like

1:21:00

here. I'm gonna fuzz it a little bit. Yeah.

1:21:02

Like, this is I'm pretty sure how it

1:21:04

works. but also,

1:21:06

you know, I don't quote me only. I've been on

1:21:08

the Internet for a couple hours researching it. And I think, you know, like, for

1:21:10

the CT scanner, I think I've watched maybe, like, four hours of college lectures.

1:21:15

about CT scanning and, like, computer topography. And so Like, does that

1:21:17

make me an expert? No. But I also wrote a

1:21:19

Python script that does, you know, CT math.

1:21:21

So it's like, where do I fall?

1:21:23

I don't know. Well, I've I've always

1:21:25

actually wondered actually because talking talking to you and talking to a lot of people on

1:21:27

Safety Third and a lot of

1:21:30

people involved in this side of

1:21:32

YouTube It seems like

1:21:34

you guys are more than anyone else on YouTube willing to risk safety

1:21:36

to make good content. Yeah.

1:21:39

What is your mind? because

1:21:43

we had Nigel on last week, and and that was just kinda, like,

1:21:45

it has no idea. That that was just, like,

1:21:47

interviewing the serial arsonist. Yeah. I also wanted to

1:21:49

ask you, like, I'm not the most dangerous

1:21:51

you two. I'm, like, who is the most dangerous?

1:21:53

The most dangerous. I could probably so there's a rock. Okay.

1:21:55

So here's the

1:21:58

thing. When we do though. I

1:21:59

love it. We are

1:22:02

always aware -- Mhmm.

1:22:04

-- of the rich

1:22:06

Yeah. And, like, we're not gonna put ourselves in a

1:22:09

situation where we're, like, knowingly doing

1:22:11

something really bad. Yeah. And a

1:22:13

lot of times, people will see

1:22:15

something that is dangerous And then that's, like, immediate

1:22:17

panic -- Mhmm. -- where it's, like, oh, there's high voltage or oh, there's this. That's dangerous. That's

1:22:19

dangerous. And it's, like, you know, what?

1:22:23

Like, if How do you think they made helicopters? Yeah. What do you mean? What

1:22:25

do you mean? What do you mean? You

1:22:27

think they just built a

1:22:30

helicopter network the first time?

1:22:32

I I was like, I thought you were alluding

1:22:34

to something horrible helicopter based accident. Dude, I

1:22:37

shit you not.

1:22:40

There's horrible, amazing video. I'm like, the guy who's,

1:22:42

like, piloting one of the first helicopters. It's, like, vibrating. You know, like, bounces

1:22:44

a lot of these vehicles.

1:22:46

And the the rotor kicks up.

1:22:49

and, like, launches him. And he's,

1:22:51

like, totally fine. That's what they said at

1:22:53

least. He's paralyzed too long. Apparently kept flying

1:22:56

it. Yeah. I not

1:22:58

gonna be wrong, but I I remember it. on next planet. Yeah. There's an pretty sure that

1:23:00

there are some videos to see on

1:23:02

these and, like, some of the com

1:23:06

populations of, like, near death compilations on YouTube, and

1:23:08

then, like, disclaimer. All these people have

1:23:10

fired. And I'm, like, can I get a

1:23:13

source for that? I see some of these

1:23:15

clips, and they definitely don't fucking look No.

1:23:17

Have you heard of the Ford Pinto? No. No. It's, like, one of

1:23:19

the big issues with, you know, car manufacturing back in

1:23:21

the I think it was, like, the

1:23:23

seventies and seventies. Right.

1:23:26

When they get rear ended, the doors would jam, so it would

1:23:28

compress the frame. And the other rear ended, they crumble now.

1:23:30

Right? Yeah. I mean, so you couldn't open the doors,

1:23:33

and then they would also, like, catch on

1:23:35

fire. Right. Right. And so the decision was

1:23:37

to pay out the claims as opposed to fix the

1:23:39

design flaws. That

1:23:42

to me is a huge no no when it comes to danger.

1:23:44

Like, I'm not gonna put other people's

1:23:46

lives -- Yeah. -- unless they understand

1:23:49

what we're doing. That

1:23:50

makes sense. So to I'm willing to put

1:23:53

myself in this. I'm willing to put, you

1:23:55

know, like, Kevin, backyard scientist,

1:23:57

Nigel. And then

1:23:59

a danger. but also at the same time, they are

1:24:02

well aware of what the danger is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're they're educated on the stuff. Right. Right. So

1:24:04

they're yeah. So what

1:24:06

is your line, I guess, I

1:24:09

would be mortified if I hurt somebody out. Like, who was not in that

1:24:11

kind of -- Right. -- because there's

1:24:13

a few chalked

1:24:16

out like for something. You'd be like,

1:24:18

oh, well, you'd be like, at least we got the Sean. We probably wouldn't get far enough into something

1:24:20

to actually drive around unless

1:24:22

it was like a horrific accident.

1:24:25

Yeah. So, like, when we we did this

1:24:27

car video recently, we were I saw that was right on me. Yeah. That's correct. Took me, like, six months to edit that

1:24:29

one too. And we, like,

1:24:32

you know, basically

1:24:35

cut the frame of the car apart, take the roof off, and where

1:24:37

we drove it around town. And it's like,

1:24:39

we're going thirty miles

1:24:42

an hour. Yeah. Yeah. for

1:24:43

a couple miles. It's, like, not a big deal.

1:24:45

Yeah.

1:24:45

Like, what's the worst that happens in the car

1:24:48

just go, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:50

And then comes to, like, a like

1:24:52

a grinding haul. Yeah. Right. So that I'm not too worried about.

1:24:54

And, like, nothing happened anyways because, like, if you cut the roof off of a car, it falls apart because of that. I mean, the

1:24:58

car was clearly not very strong. Yeah. That's the cost. That's the cost. Like,

1:25:01

imagine imagine somebody hit,

1:25:03

like, hit the top of your car

1:25:05

and all the stuff. structural integrity. When a looney

1:25:07

tune's car, it brings off If

1:25:10

it doesn't fly, well, that's the kind of the

1:25:12

plane bomb. Alright? So so who is the most The most dangerous that I can

1:25:14

think of off the top of my head right now is this Russian channel

1:25:16

called Briassan.

1:25:19

Of course. This is Russian. Of course. Yeah. Alright. Well, I was I was I

1:25:22

was let's take a cop out answer. It's Russian. Okay.

1:25:24

They're insane and it's

1:25:27

amazing. Alright. Maybe they're I

1:25:29

don't really know. Looks like an example. So

1:25:31

go Okay. And they sort

1:25:34

of done things there that,

1:25:36

like, Like, I

1:25:38

I think I'm pretty sure they snuck in. I

1:25:40

think they snuck into, like, a Russian, like, the Russian space

1:25:42

shuttle facility -- Right. -- which is, like, super guarded.

1:25:46

and it's just like this like rotting corpse of a space shuttle

1:25:48

-- Yeah. -- but like the Russian one. Right. And

1:25:50

it's just on YouTube. Yeah. It's just on

1:25:52

YouTube. Yeah. And, like, there's like security and stuff a

1:25:54

sneaking pass and, like, they panic when when they, like, crawl

1:25:57

up in and everything. So they're, like, climbing

1:25:59

on, you know, ancient scaffolding that's, like, not been

1:26:01

taken care of at all. And it's, like, at any

1:26:03

point in time, stuff could fall are. She's don't

1:26:05

really make me anxious. I'm watching her. I don't really fear for your safety at any point. Like in some of

1:26:07

the video, I posted. True. True. Some

1:26:09

other people are like, oh

1:26:12

my god. what the

1:26:14

fuck? This could go very wrong. Yeah. Yeah. content.

1:26:17

It's it's

1:26:20

good content. we built the X-ray

1:26:22

machine, like, the first time we made it work was actually me and Kevin, the backyard scientist. Mhmm. So we were

1:26:24

in my garage.

1:26:27

We put it together go up.

1:26:29

And then what's in the video is essentially me

1:26:31

kind of like going through the process again. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's really difficult to try to film a

1:26:33

process like that in

1:26:36

an entertaining way. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

1:26:38

like, I already knew what I was doing and what looked dangerous. Like, it's not not dangerous, but it's also being of

1:26:41

done in a

1:26:44

safe enough way. Right. Yeah. We're not, like, getting my hands in

1:26:46

there, not getting too close to it. It's, like, every time I turn the thing on, I know it's on and when I'm done at grounded, like, it's

1:26:48

being very very step by step

1:26:50

very procedural with, like, I'm not gonna

1:26:53

put myself. Damn illusion broken. I

1:26:55

that same it really

1:27:00

just is know, it's just

1:27:02

entertainment. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Right. And what's the most dangerous thing that has happened? That dog

1:27:04

seemed very dangerous, but she was

1:27:06

all, I did a thing there.

1:27:10

That one helping. Yeah. So that one

1:27:12

is Can you explain the video? I

1:27:14

was When someone made it, it would

1:27:16

come sort of. They they just strapped a

1:27:19

machine gun to to have done like a Boston dynamic discount button. Yeah. Discount. I was kinda

1:27:24

disappointed The company so mad at him.

1:27:26

Oh, really? I'm not surprised. It's really funny. They're

1:27:28

they're sending him DMs because he tried

1:27:30

to buy one a while ago. Right.

1:27:34

So they're sending them d m's of, like, oh, we like your video. Could you tell us the serial number of your robot again? We like the whole

1:27:36

platform. because they're

1:27:39

they're they're, like, trying to

1:27:43

shut the robot. Right. It's like, well, it's gonna become like it's

1:27:45

got a taste of guns. Yeah. So it can't be

1:27:47

quenched yet. It's

1:27:52

easier now. Like, what why why we're

1:27:54

shutting it down achieved now? Why is it really like a day? Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Shit. Don't don't.

1:27:56

Don't because nobody wants

1:27:58

you to do

1:27:59

this. because bad, but the thing is, like,

1:28:02

that video I think, like, I'm really glad, like, I I like, you know, I don't know. I feel like engineers

1:28:04

are like, I don't know. I like I

1:28:06

like the idea of all that stuff, but

1:28:10

there's something that you need to be able to

1:28:12

describe to people, like, black marriage of, like,

1:28:14

this is a real possibility. It needs to

1:28:16

be like, you want this to fries you?

1:28:18

Yeah. Yeah. Or do you want somebody to

1:28:20

be, like, taking shortcuts to try to

1:28:22

show you those technologies basically possible? Yeah. Yeah.

1:28:25

III didn't watch that video thinking,

1:28:27

oh, wow. This series runs putting a gun on a

1:28:29

dog. Like, the military's gonna put a gun on a dog. It wasn't really chilly. Yeah. I

1:28:31

mean, they're putting it on the dog regardless we want it. We should just you

1:28:33

know, we should be aware that this is gonna happen. And

1:28:35

so it's like, Is

1:28:38

that scary? The military is gonna put a

1:28:40

gun on those dogs. Yes. One thousand percent

1:28:42

guarantee they send out the dog. You

1:28:45

have to mean it. But I Who who is

1:28:47

it that said this, like, World War three? We do not know

1:28:49

what kind of weapons they want because they would be

1:28:51

using It

1:28:53

was my side. Yeah. He just just sometimes your boss had

1:28:55

any other jobs on his like it's like twenty

1:28:57

seventy. Yeah. You see the hill, you're like there's

1:29:00

like a shot of like

1:29:02

the hills and just like You're like, oh, man.

1:29:04

Saving private rock just

1:29:06

in a minute. The red

1:29:09

coats are coming. Yeah. It's

1:29:11

it's putting on dog different from putting bombs in a UAV.

1:29:14

Like, really, like, it's the same thing.

1:29:16

Yeah. It's just it's just scary because it's a

1:29:18

dog. It's terrifying. It's like that's a thing I

1:29:20

like. I had

1:29:22

two safeties on it. I had two remote controls. One

1:29:24

of them was controlling a servo to pull the trigger. Mhmm. The

1:29:26

other one literally interrupted the power to the servo.

1:29:29

So

1:29:29

I could disconnect the servo power. It's not even like a signal or anything. It's

1:29:31

actually just straight up cutting power to the servo motor. Yeah. So if that

1:29:33

was disabled, nothing would happen.

1:29:36

Yeah. Right. And

1:29:38

I had two of them. And so it's, I had to turn one on and then

1:29:40

turn the other one on. How to make it

1:29:43

shoot. And it's still scary.

1:29:44

For sure. because, like, you at some

1:29:46

point, you have to load the thing. and then walk away from it. And in that time, like, that's, like,

1:29:48

I don't know. Like, that's where things go wrong. If someone's

1:29:50

gonna go wrong, that's where it's gonna go wrong.

1:29:54

Yeah. It seemed crazy. because you're because I I when I met you in our life for

1:29:56

the first time, you're telling me about this idea, and

1:29:58

I was like, this is insane.

1:29:59

Yeah.

1:30:01

But also, sounds really interesting. I it

1:30:03

was good. Well, I bet you. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's where I met you and

1:30:05

you offered to lend the microphone. Yeah. Yeah.

1:30:07

So, I mean, you basically save trash takes.

1:30:09

So Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank

1:30:11

you. You as well. We wouldn't have

1:30:13

an LA arc if it wasn't for William. They didn't want the cameras because they weren't

1:30:15

high in high enough quality. No. because we

1:30:18

already rented cameras. We need

1:30:20

four okay. What I sound like

1:30:22

all of them, please? changey. Well, we

1:30:24

we let you lend ourself and you're like,

1:30:26

oh, we want to film in ten eighty. I'm

1:30:28

like, the fuck

1:30:30

do you wanna film with Tenet? It's less footage.

1:30:32

It's easy to edit. It looks awful nowadays. It's you guys are

1:30:34

the trash flavor podcast. You're afraid of the word that takes

1:30:38

you're the guy over here. Right? It's when it's

1:30:40

blending together. I can't We got a

1:30:42

DSP. That's not a basic standard. There's

1:30:44

only two you can't think. If there's a

1:30:46