0:00

These. Are all very enervating? And

0:02

at the same time like the is the does,

0:04

the huge eugenic experiment that we've been living in

0:06

since two thousand and nine or ten or so

0:08

has reduced The security that you can feel in

0:10

your housing is reduce the security you can feel

0:12

in your health. You can no longer be confident

0:14

that if you're injured you're going to get seen

0:16

by someone. You can no longer be confident necessarily

0:18

that you going to live today or tomorrow where

0:20

you did today. You can no longer be confident

0:23

that you're going to get the hours of work

0:25

you're going to get today. You can no longer

0:27

be confident the admit that the food that you

0:29

by to feed yourself or your family's going to

0:31

cost the same. And that those hours that you

0:33

were going to get those can go up and down. the food

0:35

prices seem to go up. And. Then at the

0:37

said so your capacity, you're cut the slack

0:39

and people's lives is getting that much much

0:41

much less. And so then it's it's You

0:44

know, you know that they're doing this cynically,

0:46

but it's frustrating nevertheless to see like conservative

0:48

politicians and also labor power, to see everybody

0:50

who is in the elite that decides what

0:52

the politics are to scratch their heads and

0:54

wonder why are so many people getting signed

0:56

off work with mental illness and there's a

0:59

the solution has to be because we need

1:01

more of these people participating in the labor

1:03

market to sign fewer of them off with

1:05

mental illness and just assume. A higher level

1:07

of endemic mental illness in the economy?

1:09

What? Yeah, not not just like how

1:11

did this happen, but also as you

1:14

say what the remedy has to be

1:16

right because there isn't like an obvious

1:18

known answer to all of these problems

1:20

which has public sector investment and also

1:22

may be giving people a tiny little

1:24

bit of hope that this isn't gonna

1:26

be such a dismal place to live

1:29

for the rest of their lives. and

1:31

we'd like roundly rejected both of those.

1:33

The A Both of those are like

1:35

impossible to promise now. And sort

1:37

of like radioactive electorally. And so

1:39

instead, what can we offer? Well,

1:42

how about more repression? You know?

1:44

How about more benefits? sanctions? How

1:46

about? it's tougher to like get

1:48

sick days? I want to get

1:51

through some of the actual. Like.

1:53

Content. Of what they're proposing to do

1:55

which is a they get This goes back

1:57

to even Blair who changed the sick. To

2:00

the fit know Because the Idea: If we

2:02

want doctors to say what are you fit

2:04

to do again ignoring how people actually interact

2:06

with the system entirely because no one's ever

2:08

done that obviously not. You'll go to the

2:10

doctor and be like I would like to

2:12

be declared fit to do twenty five percent

2:14

of my job. It's like I can't focus

2:16

on job, right? I can't do job right

2:19

now. And so soon after saying we need

2:21

to change the sick note basically saying. Tony

2:23

Blair failed to eradicate the

2:25

counter revolutionary. Sick notes through

2:27

Blairism has never been tried.

2:29

Bombard the headquarters. Is essentially

2:32

yeah. Say look we need to. Instead

2:34

of having people get signed off work

2:36

they get easier rapid access, specialized work

2:38

and health support the help of back

2:41

to work for the very first fit

2:43

know conversation. Thera hard limits on this

2:45

stuff is you have food poisoning, Brighton,

2:47

you're throwing up and sitting out of

2:49

your ass constantly and a kind of

2:52

self limiting illness way for like between

2:54

one and three days. there is no

2:56

amount of work coaching that is gonna

2:58

get you back into work and before

3:00

you are done. Doing that but use

3:03

the difference right? The people who do

3:05

sick notes now are Gps yeah and

3:07

and mostly just give them out when

3:09

you ask for them because they're doctors

3:11

If you ask a worth coach who

3:13

again who's training and doing this is

3:15

probably a powerpoint presentation about Gdp are.

3:17

right? And they know they have a

3:19

script that they follow. You might as well

3:21

replacement Ai and if it works something like

3:23

anything else we've seen. A. D that

3:26

we feel like a home office do it

3:28

will be like a closer and a culture

3:30

of like deny everything precisely having one thing

3:32

I was i was just can add was

3:34

not like well this trajectory us or been

3:36

happening for a while but one of the

3:38

things out lights are one of the one

3:40

of the sort of like mean a non

3:42

material like non useful things I was being

3:44

offered in lieu of like you know ah

3:46

extra sick pay or even dislike actual material

3:48

support to help your sex stuff for example

3:50

the was like you know the sort of

3:52

vague guys the idea of like you know

3:54

will offer more mental. Health Services and but came

3:56

for the health of the does that came for

3:58

Like that helps and scripts. Maybe if you

4:00

were lucky but like a lot of times as being

4:03

like i you know like bucket mental health appointment with

4:05

your store by we would like and beetle like nothing

4:07

things I will I mean I will I think we

4:09

all had experiences or like we had people who have

4:11

sort of tried by side some only eat on I've

4:14

tried but I tried better help a few times and

4:16

dinner maybe was useful for some people are certainly wasn't

4:18

particularly helpful for me in terms of like this approach

4:20

and me wasn't help of people people that I know

4:23

in terms of the item that the idea but he

4:25

was structured basically to sort of ignore the actual underlying

4:27

issues and be more like well if you do some

4:29

breathing exercises. And it might help you know what

4:31

a little bit better but the Sox are

4:33

like Now this is sort of being considered

4:36

to be like emblematic of like the Britain

4:38

sick note culture right of this is like

4:40

a sign of weakness and is a sign

4:42

of in a visa be the sort of

4:44

frivolous things that has to be discarded by

4:46

both like you know a are more hard

4:48

edged Tory government ball so much more likely

4:50

scenario an incoming Labour government that what again

4:52

wants to get the line up by no

4:54

point one percent without disrupting the landlords and

4:56

so I think it's very telling but assist

4:58

okay well this is very minimal. Amount of

5:00

support would actually like materially is an but

5:02

nevertheless was like a gesture of like how

5:05

much we are you know how compassionate we

5:07

off a of that's being taken away is

5:09

very telling of like both a labour party's

5:11

kind of perception of what they should be

5:13

like and who that I'd Who that voter

5:16

base really is I suppose but at the

5:18

same time and more. I. I I

5:20

dunno. I think to me as has made is

5:22

more just as kind as you know. Ah, the

5:24

suicide but it will be like very minor ways

5:26

that they were trying to differentiate themselves while also

5:28

trying to really insists the Tory voters that they

5:30

one kind of you know Corbyn he says but

5:33

sort of all gone down the window and he

5:35

died. He does. So to say that like ultimately

5:37

what they believe yeah like you know is that

5:39

you know they have to be as hard edged

5:41

even if not more so in order to be

5:43

considered to be electoral really viable. We talk about

5:45

how people want to be seen. I have some

5:47

lines from Sumac here. he says we should see.

5:49

It as a sign of progress, the

5:51

people can talk openly about mental conditions

5:54

in a way that if you've Yoyo

5:56

was an unthinkable. Hundred boxes of don't

5:58

You Dare Try And Pull This. The

6:00

on me to be like oh i actually

6:02

would like checking in with you and so

6:04

is so great the you feel unable to

6:06

talk about this. Not in a

6:08

way that causes you to miss work

6:10

though. it's immediate what you want to

6:13

talk about. Like the through line here

6:15

it is that is Once again, we're

6:17

trying to replace material politics with effect

6:19

of politics than yeah, Salinas's I feel

6:21

good about my food poisoning and so

6:24

I'm going to go into work because

6:26

I feel I can do it while

6:28

throwing up. You know, the body count

6:30

of this? the social murder of this,

6:33

The number of people who kill themselves?

6:35

the number of people who like. Die

6:38

before that's fine or lives

6:40

miserable. A misery said lives

6:42

because of this fucking finance

6:44

hands and and like his

6:46

friends and everyone around them

6:48

deciding that these are the

6:51

limits of the possible right.

6:53

I can you imagine racy? Soon I

6:55

hesitating to take time off work if

6:57

he was sick yet. Well, but he's

6:59

you know, eat my. He's a human.

7:01

Yeah, see, fully human. He's not like

7:03

the pig people. I've heard that ferry.

7:05

yes. But just as it will be

7:08

wrong to dismiss this growing trend so

7:10

too would it be rog merely to

7:12

sit back. And except that because it's

7:14

too hard or too controversial or to

7:16

quote unquote offensive that we can't do

7:18

anything on these those killed because of

7:20

woke economies. I'm doing his own. Would.

7:22

Let down the many people are welfare system

7:24

was designed to help you know let you

7:26

down by forcing you to work while you

7:28

are unwell. A how to get the when

7:31

he's what he say without saying bright is

7:33

that are is throwing up from food poisoning.

7:35

Your work coach should say yes you can

7:37

have a half day off for being for

7:39

being sick but maybe answer some emails on

7:41

the toilet if you have an email job

7:43

and go go go back to work in

7:45

your kitchen job and dislike be a super

7:47

spanner. But what he's saying really is oh.

7:50

If you have a mental health

7:52

condition. Maybe try try half

7:54

a day of Cbt. While

7:56

still at your job, but we are, We're

7:58

not going to be. Allowing like we're

8:00

we are now saying that there is a

8:03

Mit the minimum acceptable level of people with

8:05

mental health of with of people who are

8:07

like suffering from mental conditions not taking even

8:09

taking time off from work. Lizzie get that

8:12

there was never any treatment but let's not

8:14

even getting taking time off work to try

8:16

making a little less bad or even worse

8:18

not taking time off work with at least

8:21

statutory sick pay which isn't enough to cover

8:23

anything By the way that was too generous

8:25

and the level of mental distress that you

8:27

that the average person is expected to be

8:30

it. Has does as just gone

8:32

up, falling into the trap of talking

8:34

about aspects again, but I would genuinely

8:36

rather we have the tories of yesteryear.

8:38

His attitude was the sort of open

8:40

contempt of pull yourself together, get back

8:42

to work, or kill yourself. Than

8:45

this kind of like spoken some.

8:47

and because there's oh well, If

8:49

you are mentally unwell and you're

8:51

not going into work than you

8:53

might become socially isolated. Everything in

8:55

this country is designed to And

8:58

cold case isolation? Yeah, It.

9:01

Is this divers other things where he had

9:03

the sort of decline of any type of

9:05

non like any three for social space? Really

9:07

like he's not wrong in the sense of

9:09

like yeah, you could feel socially isolated young

9:11

guys weapon, not not out of any sense

9:14

of care but because it's not really anywhere

9:16

else to do it So is is like.

9:18

It is interesting to me that this a

9:20

family business sort of feel intense towards our

9:22

lease is sort of like the end product

9:25

of really destroying both like a social safety

9:27

net but also just like any type of

9:29

social support network. The last remaining Jenga. Block

9:31

of ninety percent of the country's

9:33

mental health post work drinks and

9:35

a weatherspoon well. And. And he

9:37

added added is very much yeah like chatting

9:40

on your blood but you're placed is also

9:42

your manager. He has to go toolbar one

9:44

with and listened to him talk about how

9:46

much he hates his wife and her and

9:48

then said watch him and be his wingman

9:50

when he hits on my twenty two year

9:53

olds in such a vivid thought straight without

9:55

on matter if we thought I'd give us

9:57

a very unique ability to communicate the to

9:59

grimness. That it everyday Britain His. Any

10:02

Simon same becomes kind of like that the

10:04

South London key to Mope. I saw it

10:07

really like.