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anything to stop on opposition

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to make an arrest overly

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concerned doesn't matter right

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that my

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welcome to trigger normal en

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francais supposed to i'm constantly kitchen

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and this and this show for you if you

1:40

want one these conversations we

1:43

fashion i think people are berlin and

1:45

returning guests to date is a notorious

1:47

though criminal harry miller welcome back to trigonometry

1:50

effects of to be honest about something there's great

1:52

i enjoyed it last time you will note that so i'm

1:54

not wearing the or the jumper that you so

1:56

roundly marks in a

1:59

after i was on last time it was a my mood

2:01

sometimes like it was nice blue peace i think would

2:03

like us a maroon sort of

2:05

glucose i remember watching a so if he was of

2:07

is he did mention me and you and i'll

2:09

buy your why disparaging about my job is worth i

2:11

know i don't ever say anything in my home

2:13

for most mobile and i'll find some slagging

2:15

off his jungle was a lot of anxiety

2:17

is is as as well , you for

2:20

not reporting as to the police have

2:22

a hurry were joking around of course and it's great to see

2:24

you again the hope you wealth wealth

2:26

were actually not going to do any injuries in august

2:28

at august because was just come back

2:31

from a really long trip were quite side we need a bit

2:33

of rest and recuperation but while we were in america

2:36

are we saw this thing going

2:38

on with years and i just can't

2:40

tell you how unbelievably angry at made

2:42

me seeing a particularly because we're in the us

2:45

we were enjoying the freedoms of the country

2:47

people being able to say what they think and blah blah

2:49

blah blah blah and then we see

2:52

on social media the you're involved

2:54

in this and will get to talk about a are essentially

2:56

where a man is being arrested for sharing is

2:58

meme on facebook rights so

3:00

just take a served from the beginning what

3:03

what's happened

3:05

okay well some some earlier this year

3:08

lawrence fox and put as his

3:10

profile

3:11

picture

3:12

this image of for insects

3:14

little trans flags and which

3:16

was set so that the the factor

3:19

in than the this don't think it's the

3:21

and the black lives matter vector the

3:23

the that the race the rebates

3:26

the position in certain way it gives

3:28

the impression perhaps of a swastika

3:31

then a lot of folks couldn't invents this

3:34

mean i i've seen this mean third

3:36

love

3:37

there were three years it's showing a jug think yeah

3:41

it's been around for long ensemble nevertheless lawrence's

3:43

go on a quarter million followers so when

3:45

he at that tweeted is out and

3:48

a and got some traction

3:51

an army veteran from aldershot thirty

3:53

a service three tours of duty hs

3:56

filled with medals and including four

3:58

am loyal service could doctor eccentric

4:01

separate i believe that he was

4:03

he was officer he was or is it proper

4:05

sound guy will bring jacket

4:08

facebook for him a discussion form

4:10

form called wait for it must debaters

4:14

i know they doing that yeah exactly so he

4:16

m he put a picture of the of

4:18

the of the flag and only for underneath

4:20

it was what do we think that

4:23

though it was prompting it was promising

4:26

discussion that was all

4:28

one sunday morning

4:30

about three weeks ago and three

4:32

police officers three police officers turned

4:34

up at his house at immediately

4:37

said immediately is this a crime or is the same

4:40

non crime and they said it's said crime

4:43

oh good okay and had what crime

4:45

consensual months you seven communication

4:47

zoc said sutton down

4:50

and this and this for people who are not away

4:52

is about being grossly offensive as i said she was

4:54

actually wants to several that unique edges axes when

4:56

you when you send a by electronic

4:58

means and

5:01

image or messes which is grossly

5:03

offensive

5:04

obe scene

5:05

the highly menacing nature okay so

5:08

there is an objective standard

5:10

attached to it it's not based on

5:12

a subjective feeling it's

5:14

what would the person on the clap an omnibus

5:17

think about this would say

5:19

think that this is grossly offensive if the

5:21

answer is yes then you know it

5:23

meets the meet the box if the answer is

5:25

expensive both me as i was that

5:27

it doesn't need the bomb

5:29

the

5:31

the second down and they said right okay

5:34

i'm these are your options they

5:37

pull out that of paper and they said easily

5:39

the sign here this is a muslim community

5:42

resolution agreements

5:44

find between you and victim

5:47

and he said well he was the victim as really

5:49

does tell you that

5:50

okay

5:52

the city will begin stop policy tell you the victim

5:55

is but nevertheless you have to sign this

5:57

and that part about is that you up mates

5:59

your kills you are guilty of

6:02

a breach of sexual to seven

6:04

the will hold it on your record and

6:06

then we will downgrade your crime to a non

6:09

crime so that's a good thing

6:11

because that means that sense you know

6:13

what you're not a criminal boy will

6:15

be able to release this information

6:17

about your hateful nature hateful

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to any potential employer on linux dbs

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check for the next six years the

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also help mitigate that's one

6:27

of the things that you will sign up to do is

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to go on a on a on a cost

6:31

and as a yeah we heard

6:33

this before but i don't advise

6:35

that that they say such they same

6:38

what's same course called while he well he said

6:40

to them and is this a cost set my thinking

6:42

was obviously suddenly little the and either

6:45

they said oh no this is a reeducation

6:48

costs to teach you how not to get

6:50

arrested in the future

6:52

well we well know you have every

6:54

education goes for people who said

6:56

names on facebook yeah yeah yeah and

6:58

one of the things that they told him that he was i'm one of the one

7:01

of the life skills that these and the

7:03

these young officers who

7:05

had had age of about twenty

7:07

five isn't first says this

7:10

sort of fifty six six four year old

7:12

army veteran they said well for instance

7:14

in the future before you post on

7:17

social media you will learn the skill of

7:19

go into your neighbor and asking them

7:21

for approval

7:22

they say it's okay than the chances

7:25

are a will be okay and he

7:27

said i'm a fifty four year old

7:29

man i'm nasca my neighbors before

7:31

i don't fucking facebook and

7:33

i said well and point where many as they said

7:35

well the op's know i'll be or alternative than is that

7:37

we will prosecuted

7:40

they said well

7:41

before we go on he said

7:43

one i didn't i'm not the originator

7:46

of this mean is a fellow gold lawrence

7:48

fox and i said not discounts you're

7:50

the one who posted it on somebody

7:53

has been caused anxiety based

7:55

on your post i

7:57

said right okay well this also this or the local

7:59

i remember

8:01

the and the high court as the

8:03

hike on cause they'll have recently said that's a

8:06

good at this sort of non recording non crime hate

8:08

incidents is illegal it's unlawful

8:10

and they said well hub the

8:12

high thought of as because to peel written see a

8:15

the won't know of course i saw a nutcase it doesn't count

8:19

that that's ridiculous the court

8:21

doesn't lead to write to me personally

8:24

for for for the ruling to apply

8:27

they said no we're not talking about it's you've

8:29

got a decision to make are you going to sign your

8:31

guilt away or are we going to prosecute

8:33

said well let me ever think about it and so they agreed

8:35

to come back in sunday's time six o'clock on a thursday

8:37

night

8:39

that's when he got hold of he got hold of us so

8:42

we watched the video because his house

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was videos everywhere is like he's

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so code excuse of course trigger a

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, we watch the video and i was i was absolutely

10:12

stormed we have to peel my barrister

10:14

off the floor on several occasions because she didn't passing

10:16

out with the degree of awfulness

10:18

of they said they said socal please excuse

10:21

the first thing of course is this that

10:23

when that when you've established

10:26

that somebody's committed the crime or you suspect somebody's committed

10:28

the crime you have to caution

10:31

you have to is not an option you

10:33

have to do it

10:35

they didn't do that at all

10:38

demanding money with many says the sixty

10:41

pounds shakedown as because

10:43

that's exactly what he was a was a shakedown

10:46

that was and sorry wrong when

10:48

they when he said well what a sex or wants to

10:50

seven they couldn't quoted

10:52

they will like they will like toddlers at

10:55

a pick and mix ball just hungrily

10:57

grabbing whatever they could remember

10:59

your a little bit of sex or want to seven

11:02

a little bit of public order act a

11:04

little bit of absolute made or

11:06

nonsense they didn't know what they

11:08

were talking about so that's also at

11:11

very very worrying at one point m

11:13

mr brady said well you know

11:15

i feel alarm harrison distressed by you

11:17

being here the just ignored

11:19

it may just absolutely it just ignore

11:22

dies is though that didn't happen that

11:25

we should write what should we do i said right i know

11:27

i want to give them a little bit their own medicine so

11:29

we're going to turn up will love it love a bit of a playable

11:31

wilson of and i'm women have a bad

11:34

law project fact golf community

11:36

resolution order thought been asked them to sign

11:39

so what inappropriate point will burst out

11:41

and we will say we accuse you

11:43

of and of a breach of tastes

11:45

we accuse you of arresting

11:48

the shops we accuse you of not doing

11:50

your job however he doesn't want to prosecute

11:53

you and providing you ever and ever to

11:55

was a horse had quit and sign away

11:57

your jail on this dot lines as they have a

11:59

wilson

11:59

you want to reeducation calls well we

12:02

will teach you about the intersectionality between

12:04

police powers and the actual law on

12:06

for that one hundred quid will throw him some sandwiches and

12:08

they wouldn't sign it for some unknown reason so

12:10

somebody if you're not going to say that option option

12:13

number two is this and we handed

12:15

them over a production letter

12:17

written by a barista to have to that

12:19

chief constable and which listed a

12:21

the entirety of their failures

12:23

sedates a their reaction was were

12:26

not postman check yourself

12:28

and and then try to dismiss

12:30

us i told them

12:32

about it's about that pays about interviews

12:34

and to caution etc they said he didn't

12:37

count because this wasn't earth and official

12:39

insurance and know of course not of the pistons it's

12:41

what you're doing any thanks you've

12:43

gotta work around system but

12:45

you don't for units caution anybody cause

12:48

you don't expect to make an arrest and

12:50

you don't expect to have to just buy the arrest

12:52

of cause the sergeant and you don't expect

12:54

to have to justify that the that

12:56

the that the charge to the crown

12:58

prosecution service and there is no expectation

13:01

a all of this ever going in front of

13:03

a judge so of course you've dispensed

13:05

with post goals around investigations

13:07

because you are conducting a shakedown

13:10

you've invented a clause i systems

13:13

of legal summary justice and

13:15

of course you're nervous now because we just

13:17

burst out the kitchen with our cameras and with filmed

13:19

it all over facebook

13:21

you don't know what to do so costs

13:23

that's that's what happened i just put

13:26

that in simple language to people who listening

13:28

who may not be familiar like we're not release

13:30

what you essentially saying is instead

13:32

of following the procedures that

13:34

you have the police are supposed to follow when

13:36

they are making an arrest the when they're investigating

13:38

somebody her what they're doing instead as

13:40

they using the fear that people

13:43

rightly have of being arrested by the police

13:45

for a crime in order to get

13:47

people to pay a fine and to sign up

13:49

to some ridiculous reeducation

13:51

quarter us instead of going

13:53

down the legal route right and they using

13:56

that see it to coerce people to

13:58

take that option

13:59

that they're they're relying on the fact that the

14:02

, though the police are inside the ignorance ignorance

14:05

the law they at least they at

14:07

least look like they know what that's okay own gonna

14:09

be worried about the police yeah and most people

14:11

most people in this country recognize

14:13

of the police or the public in the public of the police

14:16

and that to it we police by consent and

14:18

it's a police officer has said i've done something

14:20

wrong then there's a fair chance that either i've

14:22

done something all robin very very close doing something

14:24

wrong and i'd better do as they

14:26

say and that's

14:29

what they been relying on now i

14:31

don't know what he knows but few weeks ago it it it

14:33

was reported in the press the seven hours and

14:35

police officers of not in the mets have

14:37

not made an arrest this year now i

14:40

don't know this but i wonder whether

14:42

the at least in part that is because they

14:45

been they've been dealing justice

14:47

by this other means

14:49

the they been dealing justice

14:52

outside of the judicial and

14:54

criminal justice system because

14:58

how many police can say

15:00

that this was the first time but he wasn't

15:02

his little bit like when you weiss catches

15:04

you watching porn never happen

15:06

my that you can pretend is the first time but everybody

15:08

knows it wasn't

15:10

and this is exact and looking to you that consists

15:12

of this this this is specific lion

15:14

married my that has asked us what is too much

15:16

for us so

15:19

i think this is the same thing i think this has been going

15:21

on and on and on and on and on a

15:23

we didn't get looking on the very first time this

15:25

is a good these these offices

15:28

were fluids in this absolutely

15:30

fluids and this and that that

15:33

massively was now cause when we confronted

15:35

them they have no answers

15:37

they didn't understand the law they didn't know what they were doing

15:40

and so they instantly started mentioning

15:42

was like arrest and he was at

15:44

that point that i i i

15:47

i got in the why i stood up for myself

15:49

between the in the army veteran and the police

15:51

and said in order to arrest and you're gonna have to come

15:54

through me

15:54

i'm so

15:57

they call for backup eventually

15:59

were eventually seven police officers

16:01

that three earning early three

16:03

vehicles including her in about a

16:05

fleece them i

16:08

try to reason with them with such

16:10

tell him all the things that they don't wrong i try to

16:12

tell him about pace and about protocol and

16:14

how after all this was simply eight this

16:16

was a meme on facebook

16:19

the person who'd the pursued sort

16:21

of in not invested but had promotes the

16:23

region he was stood right that lawrence box

16:26

was stood right there bought they

16:28

said we're not interested not interested because we

16:30

arresting you mr brady because

16:32

his results of your posts that somebody

16:35

was caused anxiety and that's

16:37

why were arresting so we like anxiety

16:40

since when was section wants to seven

16:43

at the communications act own facts

16:45

any are you can think have triggered

16:47

by somebody feeling anxiety

16:50

this is absolute palpable

16:52

nonsense so i just don't said you're

16:54

, have to get any gonna have to go through may

16:57

and i did advice mr

16:59

brady to get back into his

17:02

garden and and shop the two sets

17:04

of the gates they advised

17:06

me that i was obstructing an

17:09

arrest i told them where to

17:11

stick it eventually,

17:14

there's a a big enough guide adult who

17:17

only

17:24

know if i had to remind them to give

17:26

me a call hands on under arrest

17:28

them he said yes both are you going to give me a goal

17:30

should then i stopped anybody got to go to me

17:32

and then eventually as soon as remember what would

17:34

it goes where in the actually issued

17:36

it and them i was i was taken off

17:38

amends with me out the way they they then

17:41

arrested mr brady body was quite

17:44

it was quite sad because there

17:46

was another guy that from one of

17:49

brady army

17:51

, former army colleagues they served

17:54

together a thing across all three

17:56

and features war and been

17:58

war

17:58

are you can you not see her wrong

18:01

this is to not see how wrong this is we we

18:03

we we what we were island defending

18:06

the police we put ourselves his

18:08

bodyguards between the police

18:10

and the ira and now you're here

18:13

arresting this veteran my friend

18:16

over a mean greek

18:19

you not see how wrong you

18:21

have is that nothing in new that tells

18:23

you how wrong he says and

18:25

, will like dead eyed shots

18:28

for the first time in my life

18:31

i realized think how

18:33

and

18:36

soldiers german soldiers in

18:38

the second world war were

18:41

able to march peasants

18:43

jews dissidents

18:46

romans as far as they were concerned into

18:48

the woods and shoot them and

18:51

, close their eyes and their minds

18:53

to the reason you

18:55

know that the cost reason and you

18:57

know this why you joined the army is this what

19:00

would your mother thing is this really what you want

19:02

to do cause we we made all those arguments

19:04

to the police and they were it was like

19:06

looking at at dead people and

19:08

it was like looking at people who are made of have made

19:10

of flesh and bone but were operating on

19:12

some kind of or so much and chip

19:15

and where the algorithm had been clicked

19:18

and , was that there

19:20

was no rationale no

19:22

reason no arguments no appeal

19:25

to basic humanity no appeal to

19:27

history no appeal to context know

19:29

people say anything that was going to stop

19:31

them on their mission to make an arrest

19:34

over a me it's

19:36

the new form

19:38

the new form of tragic i remember

19:40

when i was lost on your show you and you he

19:42

closed the show and ask what's the question

19:44

you ask is there anything that same number one

19:46

thing we're not talking about the we really should

19:49

be yes and i said how

19:51

absolutely shit the rainbow as the rainbow

19:53

that rainbow symbol and which

19:56

used to be a great symbol of hope

19:58

for lesbians

19:59

ill and by people i

20:02

now equate it to

20:06

so corrupted then i now

20:08

equate it to a and swastika

20:12

well there isn't that funny when we just have

20:19

the same brazilian visceral

20:23

southern southern ideology which

20:25

i think is insidious

20:28

dangerous or which is

20:31

just sweeping through are

20:33

they gonna raise it but raisins raid sirens has

20:35

driven sunday dinner raisins internet going

20:37

into soft mouth and

20:41

i'm of you say oh my goodness look like means nothing

20:43

that but i think

20:45

i think i've been proven right have sex i don't make his

20:47

rainbow flag i think i was wrong about that think

20:49

the actual rainbow flag is is

20:52

quite benign actually

20:54

i don't really have a massive problem with

20:56

the rainbow flag what i have a huge problem

20:58

with his the in sectional

21:01

flag which is in

21:03

a during during pride month in london

21:06

it was like the with paying for new bed really

21:08

it was everywhere i was staying in in

21:10

them at wembley power

21:12

if we and every doorway

21:15

scotland sectional flag on it and obe

21:17

down the street as the flags everywhere and

21:20

i've i've they do it in order to

21:22

make you believe that resistance is futile this

21:25

is so established an embedded within our

21:27

culture i would so accepted with in our

21:29

culture that any form of resistance

21:31

is is futile and is

21:33

wrong and he puts you on the wrong side

21:35

of history that that that's

21:38

the problem though i

21:40

think think absolutely right i got

21:42

flight wrong but the other been sectional

21:45

flag is as close to add

21:47

a swastika as him as as as i

21:49

as i can think snaps the problem is

21:51

people always always vote is god winslow

21:54

and said the second that you you mentioned hitler

21:56

you've lost the arguments like him as a cheap

21:58

and very lazy argue nigel fact because

22:01

the problem is most people when they think of

22:04

nazis they think about period

22:06

ninety four districts ninety four five which

22:08

is which was at the height of death

22:10

comes a day extermination

22:12

reduce when i talk about nazis

22:14

and what i'm talking about is the nineteen

22:17

twenties the early nineteen thirties

22:19

because that's where the rot starts

22:22

that's where the rot starts at by

22:24

the time you get to oust states and

22:26

invading poland and all that kind of

22:28

stuff it's over it is

22:30

it's game over that what you need to

22:32

do what you those of us who have wise

22:35

need to look at the warning signs early

22:37

on and cry out early

22:39

on and saying this is simply

22:42

wrong this isn't this is passes

22:44

and wrapped up in a rainbow this

22:46

is this is a form of social

22:48

architecture which will stand

22:51

no criticism know mockery

22:53

whatsoever and if you do so you

22:55

do to your peril you will end up on

22:58

a list of hate you

23:00

run the risk of being arrested you

23:03

run the risk of being thrown in jail you

23:05

run the risk of all sort of state

23:07

intervention now dot as far as

23:09

i'm concerned is far

23:11

, close to fascism

23:14

it's far too close to stalinism

23:16

and maoism than i once they and

23:18

i think m asked i figured it was

23:20

after i've been on ios i was fine that

23:23

according to that the high court haven't given their

23:25

ruling when i was on your so so

23:27

if you remember when they did eventually give their

23:29

building in the case of humberside police as i

23:31

tend toward me and a very very long

23:33

and significant and the

23:36

high court judge mr justice

23:38

knowles rounded off by

23:40

saying we've never had by saying a a

23:43

checker or gestapo we

23:45

do not live in an orwellian society

23:48

i would define people said that he's being

23:50

the using hyperbole i don't think

23:52

he was i think he saw

23:54

very clearly the direction

23:57

of travel and there is nothing that has

23:59

happened since

24:00

then we become addicted

24:02

to dissuade me that that opinion

24:04

was absolutely correct i think

24:07

give terrifying

24:08

hurry how we come to this point how

24:11

we come to this point where people literally

24:13

being arrested for names have we descended

24:16

to this

24:19

i don't know i think parser

24:21

dates stems from

24:23

a thing is the two thousand two police

24:26

sites changed the oath about

24:28

to station that every police

24:30

every everybody says ways to

24:33

the queen okay now

24:35

price two thousand so you'd swear to the queen's

24:37

keep herpes keep queen space and

24:39

to uphold the law without fear or favor

24:42

and super awesome to lose

24:44

a subtle change so it's upholding

24:46

the queen's based upon the law

24:48

the human rights

24:50

like old on a minute that sounds

24:53

good but why do we need to have this

24:55

edition of

24:56

and human rights in the

24:58

out what's wrong with simply

25:01

the law because if there's a human

25:03

rights that if the human right is

25:05

within the law

25:06

and we don't need say and human rights and

25:09

if the human rights are outside of

25:11

the law then by definition

25:13

it's com tested and distasteful

25:15

political so we've given

25:18

the police virtual

25:21

obligation

25:22

listen to those human

25:24

rights organizations who have the

25:26

most influence while shouting the loudest

25:29

and for them than some adults the policy

25:32

as if though it were law and oh pulled

25:34

it as though it will all of those

25:36

human rights organization one of those

25:38

organizations is of course at

25:40

school and stonewall have been saying

25:42

for long time thoughts and fans

25:45

rights are human rights the trends that

25:48

trans women are women that gender

25:50

identity trump's sex

25:53

but worse than that

25:55

that anybody that that disagrees

25:58

that anybody that doesn't accept

25:59

these statements of facts are

26:02

de facto haters am

26:04

not only that saying it's

26:06

they call it out you'll occasion and

26:09

so express

26:10

to express descent or disagreement

26:13

disapproval of disbelief to

26:16

these managers

26:17

this to be on step one on

26:19

a five step journey

26:22

the genocide that's

26:25

was at his core is it it's called the all port

26:27

scale were thirty

26:29

words

26:30

the to thirty violence which

26:32

leads to murder

26:34

which leads to genocide and

26:37

they are one hundred percent committed

26:40

to this did to this trajectory

26:43

the ping pong the problem was obviously

26:45

the met made such a horrendous mess

26:48

of the stephen lawrence murder and then

26:50

it was him found to be institutionally racist

26:52

by of it was a mcpherson report yes because

26:55

indices and will they've done

26:57

is it that trying to over corrects

27:00

over corrects that's exactly it so

27:02

what we have we have a problem of

27:05

we have a promise this and this human rights

27:07

elements were they're committed to that

27:09

and then we have a problem of institutional

27:12

guilt where you know they

27:14

were they were perhaps behind the curve

27:17

the past and now run

27:19

the being on points they trying

27:21

all the time to get ahead of

27:23

the curve so scores

27:26

that concerned it doesn't matter

27:28

if they're on the wrong side of the law providing

27:30

their minds the on the right side of history that's

27:33

the problem that we have while that eventually

27:35

the law will catch up with while yeah

27:38

that's that is that is the problems

27:40

they they police according

27:42

to a law that they hope to be

27:45

rather than policing according to the law

27:47

of it is dot is very very what

27:49

harry the you are earning that's a fascinating

27:52

insight actually and on about it like

27:54

that's where you are a former police officer

27:56

right out

27:58

how is

27:59

the the people who are doing this

28:02

and they're police chief constables

28:04

and the people who are in charge how

28:06

we did that they're not seeing what they're doing

28:08

how how do they not see

28:10

the arresting people for sharing means

28:13

may be crossing

28:15

the line

28:16

because in their minds that prevents in genocide

28:19

dot sick when we us

28:21

why have you intervened in in harry

28:23

miller posting for limerick they

28:25

, because of stephen lawrence

28:28

dust that was there one and only

28:30

answer and then i said

28:32

well awesome even lawrence was not was was not

28:35

no he wasn't bought in there in in in

28:37

accordance the allport scale the scale

28:40

of escalating violence

28:42

you can trace you can

28:44

trace violence murder and

28:46

genocide

28:49

controversial states under this is how you get

28:51

to you know if someone says the wrong thing they

28:53

should be prosecuted cars are you stopping

28:56

a genocide yeah so you have you

28:58

have pre crime

29:00

which is what i committed or otherwise known as

29:02

non grime a non climb hate

29:04

instant based on the perception of somebody

29:06

else or a police officer us

29:08

on the isn't and

29:11

without intervention this

29:13

will escalate to that

29:16

of stephen lawrence as i pointed out to

29:18

the place of a good little bit like steve

29:21

lords is already dead but same level

29:23

nevermind they'd taken this notion

29:26

of escalation they

29:28

do not apply com says now want you you

29:30

mentioned common sense

29:33

following the at the high court victory against

29:35

homicide place i had i had coffee

29:38

with chief constable of as on

29:40

the side you know he was

29:42

he was very apologetic in a very dead

29:44

eyed way and he

29:46

didn't behave like a mom who

29:49

, the full import of being compared

29:51

to the stars you the second unlucky

29:53

stop on one second of

29:55

all three terrible like

29:58

a health service being competitive beverly

30:00

allott josef mengele and

30:02

harold shipman isn't it and

30:05

it didn't seem to have an emotional

30:08

impact emotional him whatsoever and

30:11

i heard him as a way i kind

30:13

of guess why i young officer

30:16

we just been all costs over react

30:18

to something but when the world's press

30:21

turned on homicide why did somebody

30:24

or pertain of command not apply some

30:26

common sense looked

30:28

me straight in the eye and said hurry

30:30

you should understand that common sense is

30:33

not an appropriate so for police

30:35

officer because it leads

30:37

to unpredictable outcomes what

30:39

we need is more guidance that

30:42

the me is terrifying statement

30:44

as i've ever heard

30:46

of course we want police officers

30:49

to have common sense

30:52

even worse our entire our

30:55

entire relationship with the police

30:57

and with the law is based on common sense

30:59

we we operate as free

31:01

people who are free to think

31:04

the

31:05

to do right up until the as

31:08

civic points clearly defined

31:10

a law where the law says this far and

31:12

no further now that is

31:15

based on a benign

31:17

commonsense there's an assumption

31:19

that i'm not just going to come up and gratuitously

31:22

puts you in the face okay

31:24

it assumes that we are by

31:26

nature good people that

31:28

we are by nature sociable people

31:31

that we have by nature the utilitarian

31:34

a understanding of as life

31:38

the in europe of course they operate on a difference

31:40

is that they operate on system is the missions where

31:42

the state allows you to think space

31:45

and today

31:47

so i think one of these the we've done we've

31:50

we've imported a european

31:53

mentality when mentality when to policing

31:56

and that's why commonsense is nothing

31:58

and guidance is

31:59

everything right that's that's

32:02

my thing

32:05

no problem

32:06

hurry there's also the flip side to this which

32:08

is of the police are failing in their basic

32:11

duties

32:12

to investigate

32:14

prosecute and imprisoned criminals

32:16

they just not believe that will give

32:18

you an example so my parents' house gop bug

32:20

my parents are very oddly my mom's disabled

32:22

they're both in their late seventies my father's a full

32:25

time care of my mother they , out

32:27

of of better shopping the time

32:29

but that time but disrupted these burglars

32:32

say literally ran past them signed

32:34

a law they did because if they knocked him over

32:36

he he could have literally been literally and

32:38

they run or and they run out and they took my

32:41

my mother's my mom soon returned some

32:43

of her mum stillness which is the only things

32:45

yes remember by and they stolen thousands

32:47

of pounds worth my dad called

32:49

the police sick time round did nothing if

32:51

nothing a cursory glance when

32:54

i will will be looking into this but basically

32:56

was no a lot we can do them

32:59

by the time i drive away for many sites

33:01

and what that received any money as inbox signed

33:03

the case was closed and his a crime reference number

33:05

for insurance purposes there was an article the

33:07

other day that shows the for the project modeling

33:10

yep but but to i think prosecutions

33:13

or convictions one of the to for

33:15

crimes of that nature in single digits

33:17

in this country so you've got the

33:19

police completely failings francis as in

33:21

their duty to the citizens in

33:24

terms of dealing with actual crime yet

33:26

they're able to send three vehicles and seven

33:29

officers so rest the guy for

33:31

a meme

33:33

the some makes denied any sense

33:35

to anyone

33:36

well it yes it does make sense if you

33:38

understand that our police are engaged

33:41

in the promotion of an ideology though

33:44

it and it's quite interesting you say other

33:46

you say your mom was disabled and

33:48

yes she's out i've got a says it's or disability

33:50

one of the five is one of the five money to

33:52

strands what is not

33:54

given anything like the same amount of attention

33:57

as as

33:59

the gender identity and residency okay

34:02

now you would have you're young you would got further

34:04

without complaint how do you said that i

34:07

believe i've been targeted because i

34:09

am to say

34:10

that would have made a that would have made a significant

34:13

difference

34:14

if you'd said i believe i've been sagas

34:16

is because i'm lgbt my

34:19

guide and try density you would have

34:21

everybody including the chief constable that they're investigating

34:23

it because it was because the

34:26

first would be an affront to

34:28

that number one ideology that they are promoting

34:31

that's that's the problem the not

34:33

that infested lots of that's please

34:35

i'm not sick about general police officers most

34:38

police officers are good good

34:40

people who want to do the

34:42

job but the system is geared

34:45

up so that there is a prioritizing

34:48

of ideological crimes over

34:50

and you'll the crime and this is very much at

34:53

that very much like as he was behind

34:55

the iron curtain it while it's true and

34:58

one of the things i i'd only people in this country

35:00

watching this and listen to this realize

35:02

how weird this is like

35:05

didn't win further said we were in america for three

35:07

weeks talking to people and this issue came

35:09

up and we were there while this incident happened

35:11

than we were telling people people in america

35:13

com believe that this is possible no

35:16

they can't imagine the

35:18

in a country like britain which is about

35:20

as close to united states as you're gonna get

35:22

in terms of the countries around the world people

35:26

are being arrested from what

35:28

they say on social media

35:32

i i it's i don't i don't

35:34

know how to explain to people how wrong this is

35:37

what causes from you know eat and i

35:40

think i hear what you're saying about the

35:42

a police are but also to me

35:44

puts into question this this

35:46

whole a law which

35:49

says that you com be grossly offensive

35:52

now did this this is why we settle the buffalo

35:54

projects and called at the bad law project

35:57

because fundamentally we think most

35:59

laws

36:00

oh okay

36:02

are all good boss when

36:04

you apply a law you have

36:06

to bear in mind what what

36:08

what did parliaments what

36:11

problem was parliament trying to solve at

36:13

the time the law was a nice so

36:15

what they don't instead they taken they

36:18

taken laws

36:19

there were double design solve the problem

36:21

in ninety nine so you're nineteen i seven a walk

36:23

you and they're now trying to apply

36:25

it to this highly

36:27

digital age the

36:30

rather than goes to balloon acting a new

36:32

more specific law they

36:35

just

36:36

given the all laws a bit of a a

36:38

bit of a rebranding am and

36:40

try to apply that he thinks that particular law should

36:42

be repealed i guess no i don't i think you don't know

36:45

not not necessarily not not necessary

36:47

why should be illegal to be offensive

36:49

not

36:50

it's illegal to be gross lock and why

36:52

should be legal to be grossly offensive

36:55

okay

36:56

again is togs to being grossly targeted

36:59

gross offense so if i

37:01

were to send you know to your mom having the burgled

37:04

a message saying you know

37:06

i'm glad i'm glad you have more

37:08

burgled you you disabled

37:10

how warm blooded laws and focusing

37:13

on that you know is does not just offensive

37:15

stats grossly offensive and is designed

37:18

with with malice in mind and

37:21

many says in mind there's the

37:23

hope that the effects i'm gonna have on your

37:25

mom is to make her extremely

37:28

uncomfortable i'm not against laws

37:31

like that providing they are applied

37:33

in that way what we are here they

37:35

on known victim there's a somebody

37:38

a somebody who was said that

37:40

opinion causes me anxiety now there

37:42

is a world of difference read that and

37:44

the situation i've just described you said

37:46

providing providing the law is

37:49

used in the manner

37:52

it was designed for

37:54

and is not over extended

37:56

the other things i don't

37:58

think there's a massive problem necessary

37:59

really with one to seven

38:02

the maybe i need to look at the dates

38:04

on it i need to see how it's

38:06

being used but i'm not

38:08

i'm saying just because laws be buggy applied

38:10

it necessarily makes it's about law won

38:12

a bronze that we have i was set the date was dogs

38:15

i as an example

38:17

of that is a prime example of of rust

38:19

terrible law should have a dangerous dogs

38:21

like you've got to define what a dangerous dog

38:24

is you got define what is a

38:26

and american pit bull terrier or what

38:28

have you because otherwise you get somebody

38:30

saying it's to get bit by a two hour

38:32

in some sense ice every thousand i'm

38:34

a couple syrian that i see no spam little

38:36

pony dogs been been been been put down that's

38:39

result of buffalo get up a web very

38:42

very bad luck we have here

38:44

is potentially bad law but actually

38:46

probably not too bad law being applied

38:49

by ideologically driven

38:51

officers who understand ideology

38:54

but do not understand the

38:56

law that products that's why

38:58

when be confronted them they were not able

39:01

to quoted they were not able to quit

39:03

they had they had at closing it will they got

39:05

it miserably wrong now when i was police officer and

39:08

this is a long long time ago a long

39:10

time ago

39:11

the

39:12

we learn the law by roads

39:15

we understood our points to prove

39:18

if you're going to see going to sort

39:20

of and convict somebody or

39:22

charge somebody you have to understand

39:24

the point to prove prove and take off

39:26

everyone dot is reliant on

39:28

knowing the law and

39:30

i dance

39:32

they simply don't because the law

39:34

is secondary to policing ideology

39:37

but i suppose that support the institution

39:40

because these people are no getting trained properly

39:42

but again that's products that's a product

39:45

design the college you please the which saw as

39:47

i'm concerned is the the fountainhead

39:49

of all of this nonsense

39:52

they they they said of us on

39:55

was less you the before the they now

39:57

only wants to recruit graduates

39:59

police officers

40:02

really say that want a don't

40:04

ex army guys you don't want people with

40:07

it loads of years as as expenses

40:09

plumbers electricians

40:10

except for you only want grudge security people

40:13

was young at what why is that now i

40:15

saw in university or to what universe the money's

40:18

and , one thing by know about university

40:20

and says you are teaching them how not think you

40:23

are teaching university students how to

40:25

how to achieve how to of predetermined

40:28

learning outcomes by using a

40:30

particular form of words and

40:32

managing scoble it's gather within an

40:34

essay or or or or or an exam

40:36

concept they want people who

40:38

are trainee automatons

40:41

that's what they want not don't have common sense

40:43

the don't have common sense the no experience

40:45

of common sense and they and the police

40:48

are actively against common

40:50

sense because his chief constable leave

40:52

freeman said

40:53

it's not an appropriate so

40:55

for a police officer we know that

40:58

we know what they think because they

41:00

stand against common law the

41:02

not interested in common law the not

41:04

infested in liberty they are interested

41:07

in in and forcing us into

41:09

a form of behavior and a form

41:11

of words and a form of expression

41:14

and cheering the nhs yeah

41:17

clapping everybody the walks past where the

41:19

bride's like the all that kind of

41:21

there's just this this must encouragements

41:24

by the police

41:25

a she gets us to obey

41:27

at a cost is not a wasn't help

41:30

either by by government during

41:32

a lot down when

41:35

boris johnson stood there

41:37

you know with an expert on the left him in and and so

41:39

called expert on the rise and he would

41:42

make pronouncements from number ten no

41:44

number ten with the source of authority

41:46

when is actually an hour democratic

41:49

parliament's which is the source of our authorities

41:51

last as number one era

41:54

what he would make these pronouncements about lockdowns

41:56

is that the other not backed up by law

41:59

the items

42:00

the police were enforcing guidance

42:03

and the public would lead the

42:05

british where they didn't understand the difference

42:07

between law

42:09

and guidance now them

42:12

was just think about the death of several sarah ever

42:14

odd for a second on

42:17

the normal circumstances would circumstances

42:19

bright smart feisty

42:21

young woman believe

42:24

a police officer pulled up in a car that

42:27

she commits in the fence by simply going for walks

42:30

no jumps

42:31

no chance but during the cove it

42:34

lockdown period a police

42:36

officer was a polo

42:38

they you're breaking the law

42:40

she believed the

42:43

going to the car

42:44

and we know what happened now that is not at all

42:47

to excuse

42:49

that evil evil officer did

42:52

but this this consequence

42:54

of the public the cubes

42:57

i'm confused about what is law and

42:59

what his guidance on the normal

43:01

circumstances she would have run a

43:03

mile

43:05

a police officer had said he

43:07

committed a crime by walking

43:09

for a walk should have been off like a shot

43:12

what this confusion has led

43:14

to all sorts of atrocities

43:17

quite frankly being visited the all

43:20

those all as the people by

43:22

an authority which wants us to

43:24

be confused and wallace is not to

43:26

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43:28

and guidance

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to the power that as well as laziness on

44:36

the part of the police

44:37

because

44:38

lloyd think will happen to my parents

44:41

you know you're gonna have to get a team and big

44:43

enough to dust for fingerprints they're gonna

44:45

have to take witness statements they're

44:47

gonna have to look at other burglaries and the

44:49

areas they're gonna need some money off

44:51

of the died they do this at a certain time

44:54

to gonna have to establish surpassing us

44:56

going to take the law there for a manaus was

44:58

this he be a photocopier whatever you

45:00

do a screen grab of a meme on facebook

45:03

yeah trouble spot base by is

45:05

actually about prose and other than the police

45:08

the lazy assorted ending the average

45:10

police officer is lazy i think the been

45:12

led a pile of bullshit about was important

45:14

yes i think that's that's it and again

45:16

discourse we always i always liked punch

45:18

i was like pawnshop always and the

45:21

bigger the bigger the have the authority

45:23

the better no interest at all and

45:25

then causing trouble for rank and file police

45:28

on

45:30

they've been absent misled these offices the

45:32

approach mr brady on the first cage and they said

45:35

they would that they were the only solution

45:37

of a sergeant sergeant said the

45:39

sergeant that looked to the evidence and sent them

45:41

when they came back again

45:43

you know somebody somewhere probably inspect

45:45

maybe team specs i would have been aware of what was

45:47

going on and they they sensed

45:49

that they they actually such that's when

45:52

when when they realize they will live

45:54

on facebook

45:56

they realize that they must be being broadcast

45:58

a million people

46:01

they just double down they'd no common sense

46:03

to reason was no instinct with

46:05

in them that said

46:07

hold on a minute

46:08

we weren't expecting lawrence folks and harry miller's com bust

46:10

out get some of the film rights are

46:12

really this really this main sorry what will they

46:15

will will just say

46:17

what ready for this we're going to go back to the station

46:19

and seek advice from a boss even senior officer

46:22

and then we will be here now because

46:24

it would have been a tiny little story not

46:26

a massive massive star i'm glad

46:28

how he thought common sense i know but i'm

46:30

glad away ha hiring because i come back

46:32

to the low point i'm not sure i agree with demand

46:34

because if we have a police force

46:37

that is creating this ambiguity

46:40

about what people as ordinary citizens

46:42

actually required to do what the advice

46:45

to do or the guidance or whatever i

46:47

don't want them to have laws on the books that they can misinterpret

46:50

can misinterpret when with full possible respect to france's

46:52

disabled mum a driver you were able

46:54

to send her hateful message then

46:56

people are getting arrested for me no

46:59

and it is far as i can sell as long

47:01

as the police have the power to misinterpret these

47:03

laws in this way and this is

47:05

this is what i said at the time not everybody

47:08

is gonna have harry miller lawrence fox son

47:10

up with a sore throats and get this film them what

47:12

would have happened to this guy if you want that

47:15

he would have been arrested and probably prosecutor

47:17

and by the way the media would have called

47:19

him up a criminal i

47:22

i i i i agree so i did when

47:24

a position i'd rather low wasn't on the books

47:26

from glad this may be overreacting and the moment

47:28

but i'm just saying i am not

47:30

comfortable in a society

47:32

in which the police have this much power you

47:36

no but again he gets back to what what

47:38

problem was there inside see that this

47:40

law

47:41

was was designed to

47:44

you know to to that surrounds will you

47:46

said yourself is designed to answer the problem

47:48

of escalating levels of violence

47:50

towards genocide right

47:52

the six want to seven wasn't out

47:54

the i got no doubt that was that was designed so

47:56

for instance

47:57

as you say we have somebody he's sending dick pics

47:59

yeah you're a week in week out

48:02

weekend we i think we can all agree

48:04

to dot is grossly offense yes

48:06

right is no justification it's not saying

48:09

trans women are arm oh man it's

48:11

not that isn't a different league entirely the

48:13

use any you send a bunch of emails lie that

48:16

then i think sexual want to seven and

48:18

isn't entirely appropriate law

48:20

to to enact so

48:23

in order to

48:24

stop sending dick pics

48:26

the have enough boss fight because

48:29

that's the kind of problem the the

48:31

law was seeking solve it was not

48:33

seeking to address the problem

48:35

of somebody expressing an opinion

48:38

that somebody else found grossly

48:40

if and okay so how do we get the how do we get

48:42

them to understand the differences

48:45

oh training but i think i think this

48:47

this begins with having a renewed

48:49

respect for the law what we have

48:52

to do is get rid

48:54

the and human rights aspects

48:57

of of the police out okay

48:59

because whilst that remains the police

49:01

will continue to be seduced by

49:04

the loudest voices

49:06

who are pushing for an ideology

49:09

is quite difficult to resist when you have amnesty

49:11

international for instance saying trans

49:13

women opening alongside stein will

49:15

saying trans women or women alongside mermaids

49:18

sanctions women long side various i pass

49:20

government saying it you got functional bresnik

49:22

five the police the police are

49:24

confused fixed of don't green is now

49:26

confused am , we need get

49:28

rid of that that's that's one solution and

49:30

then we need to revisit at what

49:33

the relationship is between the police

49:35

and and the public and where

49:38

do the police get their authority

49:40

from okay said the police

49:42

get their authority to restrict

49:44

your freedom to act

49:46

in act way

49:48

which in any circumstance would be

49:50

unlawful putting

49:52

somebody and ankles and then you observe

49:54

circumstance against their will is unlawful

49:57

fucking money off them for the find would be unlawful

49:59

what are you mean prison we know that power comes

50:02

from the queen

50:03

that's why every officer sweat

50:05

makes an oath to a sovereign because

50:08

the sovereign is not the government's the

50:10

saving it's not the judicial system

50:12

system the sebring is above it

50:14

all said police these understand

50:17

the notion of sovereignty

50:19

the read the taking away and limiting of

50:22

our freedom can only be done

50:25

hi

50:26

the officer at the sovereign

50:28

that's what laws are reunited with

50:30

the permission of the sovereign is the crown

50:33

prosecution service in my case

50:35

it was the queen on behalf of miller person

50:38

to college of policing sovereign see

50:40

in this country means a lot so

50:42

we need to get to understanding

50:45

to understanding that's what we have at

50:47

the moment seeking non crime high the

50:49

hate incidents and then the police

50:51

acting on behalf of perception

50:54

if you think about what we have is a removal

50:57

of the power of the queen

50:59

who seem to the mob

51:01

now that as far as i'm concerned his definition

51:03

of monica

51:04

so we're we have a choice we either

51:06

continue down bus routes which

51:09

is mob rule where lore

51:11

is defined by third party perception

51:14

or we get back to sovereign

51:16

role of were lloris siebel

51:19

and the offices of and majesty

51:21

the queen

51:23

the nights at the limitation

51:25

of our freedom because they understand

51:28

the sacred nature of that

51:30

and i understand why are clearly

51:33

defined understanding of

51:35

what they're doing and they say

51:37

i'm arresting you because you have breached

51:40

and and a quote the law and they know what

51:42

the law means and they understand that this is

51:44

a serious think it's not based

51:46

on mrs megan's down the road saying

51:48

what you said made me feel anxious you don't think

51:50

that this section one to seven is

51:53

not sufficiently specific

51:55

for the context in which we're now living should not

51:57

say something lights okay let's

51:59

say

51:59

it's about targeted

52:02

grossly offensive material sent

52:04

directly to someone with the express purpose

52:06

of causing the great

52:08

distress as opposed to this vague

52:10

thing that can be misused and with is not the first

52:13

time hurry though is not the first time

52:15

this continues to be misused and this

52:17

way it seems to me like a

52:19

may have been a well written lord the time that it was

52:21

written

52:22

what i do think it's a badly riddled written

52:24

law for the mom and and i'm talking out of miles

52:26

because i'm not a lawyer i'm just saying this is

52:28

what it sounds like to me what what i think

52:30

one of the consequences which one of the on for

52:32

theme consequences of winning

52:35

against i'm side and winning against college of leasing

52:38

and placing a question mark over is

52:40

ridiculous non primates instance which

52:42

are recorded an absence

52:45

of any form of common sense

52:47

it's highly on third party perception there's

52:50

the police i think are now using section one to

52:52

seven blaze about though

52:54

that they have they are escalating it directly

52:58

to have to a crime because

53:00

the now nervous about non crime existence

53:03

so on a less lower the bar sex

53:05

or want to seven and less talented

53:07

people to that we have we have officer from

53:09

leicester circle pc watson who

53:11

opened sauce week has been bragging

53:14

about an old all my ruling

53:16

did was make matters worse and that the police

53:18

will now you sexual to seven and

53:20

to criminalize those those who otherwise

53:22

would have been dealt with is non existent so

53:25

we we know we know that this is going

53:27

on i'm i'm i'm helping a

53:29

chat who

53:31

who wrote a letter to the essay

53:34

last year

53:36

and he said

53:38

then it wasn't really nice

53:40

letter a he said that it in his

53:42

opinion and taking a knee

53:44

was a fascist not

53:46

the a racist thing to be doing

53:48

that them guards was gay to

53:51

c n n

53:53

was taking his team with one eye on dive with

53:55

more than with am diversity than on

53:57

the talents

53:59

and

53:59

he ended the m the letter

54:02

with a single word from

54:04

nice you not the kind of letter the i would write

54:06

not gonna let of i would want women to read

54:08

there's a nasty letter no two ways about it probably

54:11

find a jack greatness as well exactly exactly

54:13

exactly eleven yeah exactly

54:16

okay

54:17

the police prosecuting bundle sexual desire

54:20

on the basis that gareth southgate

54:22

putting the complaint that is causing a guy

54:25

though he is being prosecuted him

54:27

served papers this will this is what

54:29

i'm saying man is like this law he he

54:32

is this is the law allows for this

54:34

to happen it's not well calibrated

54:36

to the situation i was guys right i agree

54:38

but i say i think i think the

54:41

first port of call is to recalibrate the police

54:44

and get them to understand what

54:46

is the appropriateness of the law

54:49

if that doesn't work in the still confused

54:51

then we need to revisit the law seal be anywhere

54:54

you have any agree with me aka has

54:56

got nothing on because i am

54:59

but i'm not gonna be wrong of me as got to be wrong i mean

55:01

flexibility run on like enough know

55:03

what i'm saying so no idea what the reason i'm

55:05

so angry about it is i don't

55:07

think people understand how fucking

55:10

ridiculous this is i

55:12

agree i don't think people get it and if

55:14

it what it takes is for us to get rid of the stupid

55:17

law and to have something resembling a

55:19

first amendment i appreciate politically does not

55:21

the easiest task but that's if that's

55:23

what it takes because see this is the problem

55:25

this is my issue with with your approach harrys

55:28

the police are always going to want to enforce

55:30

whatever ideology they have right and

55:32

they're going to use as much power they can get away with

55:34

and the only way to deal with it is to take the power

55:36

away from them

55:38

well you know i never ever thought i would be

55:40

one of those sort of the from the policeman

55:42

well i know the we

55:44

need the police we do but not in its current for

55:46

know we do not need the police in

55:48

its current yeah so what needs to happen

55:50

is this we need to close down

55:52

the college of policing immediately

55:55

because it's a it's just a h

55:57

factory sponsored by a bye

55:59

bye

55:59

the money a burns to seventy one

56:02

million pounds of public money

56:04

camels that said oh police

56:06

officers must be graduates and and

56:08

and see hate everywhere honestly

56:10

honestly you don't you know the religious

56:12

fanatics who's juicy jesus at a slice

56:14

it dives well this is exactly

56:16

the same thing because you pleasing teaching offices

56:19

to see hayes every whereas

56:21

now that mr brady

56:23

our brady our our our veteran and

56:27

the police said that they used price this

56:29

was the three strikes and you're out he clocked up

56:31

to previous non crime hate instance this

56:33

was his third one and so boom that

56:35

was it first the

56:38

first hate incidents was you

56:40

know the meme of hitler's bunker this been going

56:42

around since about two thousand and sake the at all the

56:44

again some downfall is it out what yes

56:47

so that was last as a racist eight incidents

56:49

that was strike one oh good okay

56:52

strike too was

56:54

it was a picture of com daily

56:57

doing some knitting and he ports

56:59

tom dame is com daily missing a cop

57:01

gorman

57:02

now if you look at the picture it

57:05

cannot be anything boursicot warmer it

57:08

is a little ball sack and penis

57:10

that's what it is it cannot be

57:13

reasonably construed reasonably anything

57:15

else

57:16

com daily holding it like this with a smile

57:18

on his face he knows it looks like

57:20

a cop warmer that's why he played

57:23

that

57:24

the police have decided that this

57:26

was homophobic hates and

57:28

week and recorded it against mr brady

57:30

as a as a non crime hate

57:33

incidents homophobia that's

57:35

that's the staged that we

57:37

are

57:39

hurry isn't also the problem

57:41

as well to the police amelie reflecting

57:43

the culture as a whole now universities

57:47

now let's define culture they

57:49

are they are reflecting are

57:51

reflecting a minority

57:53

yes yes that's what that love woman with

57:55

a culture of the lead guy was really really

57:58

chance to win his eyes at columbia

57:59

they would then trickles down in society

58:02

centers around the rest of us we are

58:04

we at we are we all the proles that's

58:06

what we are we are we are that those

58:08

who have not signed up to the

58:10

politburo who not part of the stalinists

58:13

maoist elites am

58:15

on it you know how he was in in in in maoist

58:17

china you could you could say

58:21

you know i've only got one check my neighbors got three

58:23

is a capitalist and they come down and another

58:25

shots were , that sort

58:27

of situation when neighbor can

58:29

grass upon neighbor where children

58:32

are being encouraged to grasp

58:34

on their parents were children are being

58:36

close to grasp on for the children n

58:39

n n where was it and

58:43

was worried , a few

58:45

weeks ago i'm wrong about and

58:49

police force turned up at

58:52

, door of a fourteen

58:54

year old autistic child

58:57

the going

58:58

said that he was guilty

59:00

of a section section for

59:02

public order offense which with the repeats

59:05

would would end in two years in jail

59:07

what he had done was in

59:09

the playground a lot sets

59:11

a girl there was there was

59:14

what who dress like it or wealth though

59:16

few the girls the was a girl who

59:19

dress like a girl had long hair like ago

59:21

except for but who said she was a boy

59:23

isn't and he was used to believe

59:26

than a year ago

59:27

so the the school

59:30

told the police

59:32

the police visited

59:34

the parents hold

59:36

read him literally the riot act

59:39

okay i haven't

59:41

the subsequent interview between the

59:43

boy's parents that that the child

59:46

and the school

59:48

all on site and they say

59:50

to him where are you getting radicalized

59:53

worked with how do we stop you getting

59:56

radicalized because if you continue

59:58

if you continue in this a do

1:00:00

not learn how wrong your behavior

1:00:03

is one you would

1:00:05

be fired from a job and if you

1:00:07

would say that in that poll

1:00:09

you would probably be glass

1:00:11

on

1:00:12

you had me right you would probably

1:00:14

be glad they say that to a fourteen

1:00:16

year old autistic boy yes on

1:00:19

his parents this was the head of the it's and

1:00:21

on the head teacher who warned the boy

1:00:23

though unless they could break the cycle

1:00:25

of radicalism that

1:00:27

he would be sacked and he would

1:00:29

be blessed in the face and this was bought

1:00:32

by the police they told him came

1:00:34

to his house and said anymore

1:00:36

the could be looking at syria jail sentence now

1:00:38

you tell me you tell me

1:00:41

that's not fascism well done it's actually

1:00:43

it's and that's what i'm saying what i'm saying i'm more optimistic

1:00:45

on the trouncing harry because i was seen some

1:00:47

good wins in the last few weeks on that and i

1:00:49

think when people see the

1:00:51

outcome of these lawsuits against the tavistock

1:00:55

that's gonna open to put a very mildly

1:00:57

it's gonna open up a few people's minds to

1:00:59

what haven't gone on but on

1:01:01

this law stuff if is this is

1:01:03

what the police are routinely going around and doing

1:01:05

i'm afraid i'm not persuaded that's the

1:01:07

right training course it is gonna do

1:01:09

that these people cannot be allowed to have

1:01:11

this much power

1:01:13

well okay bucket bucket

1:01:15

day prior to prices to the back in

1:01:17

nineteen eighty ninety nineties or get the

1:01:19

police had their problems note no two ways

1:01:21

about yes well they didn't they

1:01:23

didn't spend their time doing this nonsense exact

1:01:25

know spent their time chasing down

1:01:27

burglars preventing burglars chasing

1:01:30

car thieves and all the rest

1:01:32

of it now what's gone wrong i

1:01:34

don't think the the police have some the become utterly stupid

1:01:38

what if they house

1:01:39

it's a product design

1:01:41

because what because you policing and please

1:01:43

one is automatons not

1:01:46

not regular people they

1:01:48

want an elite police

1:01:51

force that represents which is more

1:01:53

like the stasi these off thought

1:01:55

these the festival most thorpe least

1:01:57

ideological please regular

1:01:59

regular policing

1:02:01

from second which is why they want graduates

1:02:04

who have been exposed this ideology who

1:02:06

understand the in their infinite you know

1:02:08

how did sick box policing the same as they

1:02:10

got their degree by six tick tick box essay

1:02:13

writing excesses without any form

1:02:15

of critical theory christian worth less

1:02:17

critical both in their bodies

1:02:19

your

1:02:20

thomas and the algorithm says

1:02:23

therefore go do this this

1:02:25

this is a law by algorithm and

1:02:27

it it is absolutely

1:02:30

terrifying so i don't know

1:02:32

you know when it'll when he finds find a single

1:02:34

cause it's very how is it won't be as against

1:02:36

very odd by the book but why do know is the

1:02:39

cause of policing is one thing it needs something

1:02:41

down the the oath about to station

1:02:43

needs returning back to as it was

1:02:46

and police need to understand they

1:02:48

have no part in politics

1:02:50

whatsoever absolutely not

1:02:53

if it looks political it is political

1:02:56

and that's it you just back away you

1:02:58

do not put a price like on he during

1:03:00

ib but now against the the thin blue line

1:03:03

badges the police officers were

1:03:05

i'm not even persuaded that the

1:03:07

police to be wearing puppies and

1:03:10

i never thought i would say that but if that's the

1:03:13

price that we have to pay to get back

1:03:15

to policing that is

1:03:18

totally politics break then i

1:03:20

think is a price

1:03:21

we're paying myself see

1:03:23

on on with you on that actually i believe

1:03:25

that they shouldn't we simpletons ice any

1:03:28

the institution teaching the

1:03:30

nhs policing because

1:03:32

once you politicize something how are you encouraging

1:03:35

people to pick aside and once you encourage

1:03:37

people to pick a side they're going to look at the other

1:03:39

side as the enemy we're

1:03:42

allies and enemies and and that's very dangerous

1:03:44

because the police should be a

1:03:46

political it shouldn't matter if

1:03:48

it's a conservative breaking the law a liberal

1:03:50

of what whatever it might be

1:03:53

someone breaks the law they break the law that

1:03:55

sit there politics their view

1:03:57

their ideology is a run of

1:03:59

the

1:03:59

when i went went with with only one side

1:04:02

of the arguments his license to carry

1:04:04

pepper pepper spray it's asia

1:04:06

and , the situation that though it's

1:04:08

another thing that we need we need a policing

1:04:10

breaks it that's what we need we need

1:04:12

to get out of the of

1:04:15

the the influence

1:04:17

of of europe because the national

1:04:20

lg pull the national lgbt

1:04:22

police network now that

1:04:24

is that network of is a

1:04:27

they all have each boss has his own

1:04:29

network and i thought of the national network

1:04:31

and the national network sits on a european

1:04:34

network which is adopted the entirety

1:04:36

of the policy rainbow europe which includes

1:04:39

the criminalizing of spur

1:04:41

as hate speech around a private

1:04:43

table which includes the criminalizing

1:04:47

have any form of dissent within

1:04:49

schools okay so we need

1:04:51

to have a full police breaks

1:04:53

it no more colluding with europe

1:04:56

non the second thing we need to do is

1:04:58

have the national gbp network shutdown

1:05:01

because at the moment i wrote to every

1:05:03

single chief constable said he while you're

1:05:06

members and they said we'd no idea

1:05:08

at but if we did didn't know we couldn't tell

1:05:10

you because of gdp ah concerns but

1:05:12

what about foia request that as soon as

1:05:14

your obligation legal is not know they say we

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don't we know they we don't all the information and

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we're not been so it was gdp ah

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so we have we have the national lgbt

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police they work issuing means

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that say we stand

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for stonewall

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not with stung for stonewall

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and then there is absolutely amazing one the said

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them they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd

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there was celebrating the inclusion of trans

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women in sport and have caused by

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, from fast and

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their response was say we see

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you we have reportedly this

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from a police accounts

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okay we see you will you reposted

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i wrote to them and said who

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have you seen what

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so you

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who's seen his and who have you reported

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it to that's a blessing

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it wouldn't tell us

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they will tell us so just exists

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as a threat

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against

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against people

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we we had we had a on

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it's even specs of diversity and inclusion from

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the code subleasing wishing all the homophobes

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a super uncomfortable pride month what's

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diverse by that was if you're a what

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if you're if you're a traditional christian

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what if you're an orthodox jew

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or if you're a traditional

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muslim a new you have some

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questions about homosexuality

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that you're not going celebrates it's what

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is the college of policing diversity and

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inclusion officer

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calling you from the police accounts

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that she wishes you a super uncomfortable

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month

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that's where we're out that's where

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out of course when we resist it

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weird and sold the with the haters

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think we have a lot worked at him and yeah is

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by the sound of it with a we do have a lot

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of what is it is

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mind boggling to me the we're having this

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conversation

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i really genuinely don't know what

1:07:12

it is abscess is ridiculous

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it is ridiculous that we're in this

1:07:17

position a , so

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i have no doubt that you're getting be getting involved

1:07:22

in more of these cases a congratulations

1:07:25

on winning the last one a

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the latest with this guy's she's had an apology

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the not had an apology i'm old

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all interest by the police in him as

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been dropped the that the good

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pcc of am

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hampshire came out in media com os x donna

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somebody homes that night she came out immediately

1:07:44

and said this is absolutely ridiculous

1:07:47

and and the dot it i of course

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and i was released pending

1:07:52

a federal investigation so as

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it in i may still be charged i

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really hope they do charge me because

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i will are they they

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by the i feel that's why

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they want shiny i don't think and this is other

1:08:04

thing seats this is why they didn't

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arrest lawrence they're

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they're targeting ordinary people

1:08:11

because they know how the slopes to the general

1:08:13

public and they know that if they arrest lawrence

1:08:15

or someone like that who's got a big audience

1:08:18

it's going to be in the newspapers they're going to get ridicule

1:08:21

that's going to get a weldon a well exactly

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right but my my question is what happens

1:08:25

when if if you in lawrence on that the

1:08:28

guy's life gets destroyed right i agree

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i answered wheat week we gotta find

1:08:33

a way to deal with this were really really do there

1:08:35

are no way we we're we've we've got we've

1:08:37

got our work cut out and the reason that we're so

1:08:40

so aggressive when when we find

1:08:42

these things and i we're actually merciless

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i said

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i said you know do you want apology i said now

1:08:47

i'm on the chief constables that he my friends i

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, meeting under his age maybe i

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metaphorically not

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literally because more i

1:08:56

want to do is what they've been doing which

1:08:59

is gray a chilling effect yes chilling

1:09:01

want every chief constable in the country to

1:09:03

know that harry miller of the buffalo project

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their worst nightmare

1:09:08

if i find out what's going on then

1:09:10

we will just only how absolute

1:09:12

hell because we don't care we're

1:09:15

not we haven't got reputations that

1:09:17

we trying to

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you know

1:09:20

we don't care

1:09:21

would you like bazooka

1:09:23

the just go when i enjoy

1:09:25

dot e what mom just absolutely

1:09:27

fuck you up if you treat the

1:09:30

british public with that degree of content

1:09:32

i'm going to take it personally because you not only treating

1:09:35

the public with consent you are disrespecting

1:09:38

the queen your this disrespecting

1:09:40

the source of your power and so i'm

1:09:42

gonna be system with everything i've got

1:09:44

so you can expect more of lawrence fox

1:09:46

and i bursting from the kitchens

1:09:49

with the film crew and jumping out of edges

1:09:51

and us leaping out of trees

1:09:53

on behalf of the great british public me

1:09:56

beta my is

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don't know

1:10:02

her but that's because they they don't

1:10:04

something i just don't care also

1:10:06

the most goals i'll fight with them

1:10:08

all

1:10:09

because this matters if

1:10:12

just watching your youtube see your your

1:10:14

your reaction about all this

1:10:16

the i know with the world right side of history

1:10:18

because you recognize how wronged

1:10:21

this you recognize our brumbies the

1:10:23

cause you have a bit of background and

1:10:25

from from , eastern

1:10:28

europe's yasuda familiar with how

1:10:31

that it can gonna have a hurry you

1:10:33

don't have to be from eastern europe my is a you gotta

1:10:35

read a fucking book like the history is

1:10:37

filled with this all

1:10:39

of this people shouting

1:10:42

down the speech of others in order to control

1:10:44

what they say and think they are you don't have to be from

1:10:46

his do a be just have to have half a brain don't

1:10:48

know i i i agree with you

1:10:50

i agree with you so for me i say be approached

1:10:53

you know on the some the law and

1:10:55

then go royals the i just couldn't won't

1:10:57

let you doing good work i'm sure we will see

1:10:59

plenty of you in the future best

1:11:02

, luck to you with at all or we're gonna ask you a couple

1:11:04

of questions from our supporters

1:11:07

supporters only they will get to see on locals

1:11:09

have already submitted a bunch but

1:11:11

in the meantime as you know we've got one final

1:11:13

question of with which is always was the one thing

1:11:15

when know talking about that we really should be

1:11:19

i've i think with

1:11:21

one of the we shall be talking about is the m

1:11:24

the the the vacuum that there is

1:11:26

an

1:11:28

the home office that the

1:11:31

that pretty patel the

1:11:33

knows the oldest is wrong she has the power

1:11:35

do something about it

1:11:37

she doesn't do it she allows

1:11:39

these subcontracted it's at no pain

1:11:41

whatsoever to individuals like

1:11:43

myself individuals like those balco

1:11:47

and whole bunch of other activists to do

1:11:49

the job the government ought

1:11:51

to be doing

1:11:52

they you're pretty easy watching sort out the

1:11:55

as well a anyway a

1:11:57

higher rate thanks for coming back on the show really great

1:11:59

to see [unk] and thank you for watching and

1:12:01

listening we will see on locals with a couple

1:12:03

of components questions that you've asked for harry

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and also we will see you are next week

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