This episode features two tremendous interviews. The first is with Howard Jacobs, one of the world's leading athlete doping defense attorneys. He has represented high profile athletes like Floyd Landis, Maria Sharapova and Marion Jones. More recently, he represented both Lauren Barnett and Beth Gerdes in their Ostarine cases. 

Ben also spoke with the reigning ITU World Triathlon Series Champion, Flora Duffy. Not only did she win a world championship in the ITU WTS in 2016, she also won a world championship in ITU off-road race and the Xterra off-road series (her 3rd in a row). 

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