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And welcome back to the trucking risk and insurance podcast.

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Where today we have Hannah MacDonald.

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From the better together group. Uh, she works for better together,

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but she also has a podcast.

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So you're going to have to listen up. Uh, and find out more

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about her podcast as well.

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Let's get right into it. Welcome Hannah.

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McDonald.

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the

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topic today for our audience is

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women in a male dominated industry.

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So what the hell? We can throw the odd word in

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there because, you know, Hannah,

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where in the heck are you

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hanging your hat at the moment?

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Oh my gosh. In what regard, Chris?

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In, in Work. Work.

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Let's talk about work. Okay. Work.

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Work. So Right now, I am currently

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located in Orlando, Florida,

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and I do part of my work here.

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We have started a business here about

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a year ago, a little more than that.

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And so I work in sales here and

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support some of our operations

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as things start to get rolling. And then I also do a lot of

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work in Toronto right now with

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my family's business, which

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is the Better Together group.

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I'm also working in the

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sales division there.

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Um, and then I run all of our

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marketing across the border.

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So Canada and the U. S. Um, and we've got some really

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fun projects on the line, but I

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guess you'll have to come back for

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more of those. Okay, now what is the

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Better Together Group?

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A Better Together group of companies is

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a group of three different agencies that

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help supply employees to companies who

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can't find the employees that they need. So we work with Revolution Staffing,

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which is in transportation, which

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is how we, of course, got connected.

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Help Unlimited does light industrial.

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They also do some skilled labor. And then Essential Staffing does

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Specifically permanent placement.

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So someone who's coming directly

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onto your team and then we'll also

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do some temporary office staffing.

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So if you've got someone who's off on mat

2:05

leave or something like of that nature.

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And here's a

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little tidbit that you didn't know many,

2:13

many years ago, a long time ago, before

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the Better Together group owned Help

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Unlimited, I used to use Help Unlimited.

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Really? Oh yes. This is back in my Sears home delivery

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days and often on a Saturday we would

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use Help Unlimited to supply us with

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the second person in a delivery truck.

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Oh,

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I really love that. I love how full circle that is.

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When, what year would that have been?

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Oh my god, back in the 80s.

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Oh my goodness. That's the best.

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That's the best. The other day we were at a trade show

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and the person we were sitting next to

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was like putting all of it together,

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seeing our signs, saw the Help Unlimited

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logo and he's like, I got my start in

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transportation through Help Unlimited.

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And Help Unlimited isn't

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currently actually transportation.

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We've pivoted that to revolution

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staffing so that they all have

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their own niche specifications. But I mean, just to see.

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See, that's still full circle and coming

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back from, I think it was 66 that it

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started, which is insane, but so special.

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Love to hear that.

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So

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anyway, we are talking about women

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in a male dominated industry.

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What industry? So revolution staffing, uh, sorry,

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the better together group is not

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necessarily in male dominated industries,

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but certainly revolution staffing in

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transportation, that would be included. What is it like being a female

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working with all of us wonderful men?

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Well, it's really interesting. So I would say that revolution

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staffing absolutely is in

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male dominated industries. I would say that Help Unlimited is also

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absolutely in the male dominated sphere.

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We do so many different things with Help

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Unlimited saying one specific industry is

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kind of irrelevant because we are able to

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touch so many different types of roles.

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But what we do end up with is.

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Lots of warehouses is lots of, lots of

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really interesting types of careers.

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I like to tell people the first

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time that I ever went on a

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site tour, I got in the car.

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I was a, I was a co op student. So I was doing a co op at the company.

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I was still in high school at this point,

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got in the car and the sales rep that I

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was with was like, what shoes are those? I was like, what do you mean?

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They're my shoes. And she was like, no, no,

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no, you don't understand.

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So we went to Walmart, got

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the steel toed shoes, went to

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the site and did a site tour. And we did a site tour through a meat

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manufacturing facility where we walked

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through Oh, it was the nastiest of

4:53

things, and I've never done it again, and

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I would absolutely refuse because every

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time I think about it, I nearly vomit.

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But like, like walked through this

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facility, stepped over like rivers

5:06

of blood that were just pooling on

5:06

the ground, like it was just nasty.

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And so there are some moments where it is

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like, oh, what have I gotten myself into?

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But there are so many other moments

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where I get to look at and learn

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about some of the most Incredible

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things that I never would have had the

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opportunity to learn about before so

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for a different example the other day

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I went to a facility here in Orlando.

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It was a warehouse facility Manufacturing

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facility, downtown Orlando, super weird.

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You would never expect

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it to be in this area.

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It's like just outside, but in this little

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sweet industrial street that has probably

5:51

five or six, just different facilities. And we pull in and we're talking

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to some of these incredible people

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who are making tanks that go.

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to hold oil and water and all

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of these different things.

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Um, and I just feel like I get to

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go on a field trip every single day.

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Like, I'm just, I'm always in school.

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I'm always learning. I get to go to all of these different

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amazing places and learn about so

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many really cool things that I'd never

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would even think to be interested

6:20

in myself, but are so genuinely.

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Intriguing. Like I just, I get so

6:25

interested every day. Now my husband hates it because I do cold

6:27

calls and I walk in the back of warehouses

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by myself and just knock on doctors

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and I'm like, hello, is anybody here?

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I'd love to chat with you. And so it, it, it, it is an ebb and

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a flow and it goes both ways, but I

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love it so frequently and could just

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not recommend it more to other people.

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Sorry. That's such a long winded answer, but.

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No, I'm just wondering about. What are some of the challenges that

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you have in a male dominated industry?

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And, you know, a follow up question

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would be, and don't answer this one

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yet, but stay on the challenges,

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but what are the advantages?

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I would say challenges, you're going

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to face challenges with being a

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female in a male's world anywhere.

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Realistically, if you're a female

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and you live in this world, you face

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struggles with the opposite gender.

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It's based on being who you

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are and being who they are.

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And so it's not fair to necessarily

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pin all of this against being in

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a male dominated industry, because

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realistically it's a space that is still

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open for more females to come into.

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And that is part of the pro

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and I'll get there in a minute.

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But I mean, when I was 14 and I

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started working for the company,

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I would call with a fake name. Because I was a minor, and I was

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scared of, of, of truckers knowing

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my name and having my phone number. Um, and that was a reasonable

8:00

fear, because I had a couple

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people who were like, Oh, Bella,

8:04

what a wonderful name you sound.

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So, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it's like, you don't even

8:10

understand what is on the other

8:12

side of this phone call right now. Like, I'm a minor, and this is like,

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so many boundaries are being crossed.

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But in the exact same breath. It was a family business.

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And so I was like, yeah, do

8:23

you want to come meet my dad?

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He owns the company. You can come see him. His name is Dave.

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And so, so there's, there's

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so much protection there.

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And I think that it's really

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important for companies to understand

8:36

that, that the females that are in

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their industries might be facing

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some of those types of struggles. And so it's important for them

8:41

to protect their employees.

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And I think that being My

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father's daughter in the company

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has really helped him see that. And I think has really helped him take

8:51

that protective role, not only over me,

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but over everybody in the organization.

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And it's really been like a bit of

8:58

a shift of our culture, I think.

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Um, but then at the exact same time,

9:02

like you just, you learn to deal with it.

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So, so again, that was, that was when

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I was first starting and I was like,

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I don't know how to talk to you. Just go talk to my dad.

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Like I was a 14 year old girl. Whereas a couple of weeks ago I had.

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I had someone from manufacturing

9:18

plant reach out to me and they

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were like, Hannah, it was so

9:21

good to see you the other day.

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And just the way that they were

9:25

communicating with me and the

9:27

way that they were talking to

9:27

me, I could understand it was

9:29

coming from a really bad place. And so I tried to shut it

9:31

down right away and it did not

9:34

deescalate and it increased.

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Um, and it got to a place where I

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was like, Hey, you know what, sir?

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Um, I want to help you with your staffing.

9:43

I'm happy to talk to you about your staffing. If you're not interested in

9:45

talking about your staff. I'm going to walk out that door

9:48

right now and you can call me when

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you do because that's the reason

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that I come to work every day, but

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having a conversation that's going

9:54

to entertain you and any dream that

9:57

you're trying to have is irrelevant to

9:57

something that I'm trying to pursue.

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So it's a matter of understanding where

10:01

people are coming from and then just

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setting your boundaries up front and being

10:04

like, no, let me stop you right there.

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Like, this is not going to work for me. And you know what?

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We ended up working with that

10:10

company and it was perfectly fine.

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They absolutely apologized. They were like that. I was in the wrong.

10:15

That was a bad moment. I don't even know. We move on from it.

10:19

People are people, people make

10:19

mistakes and, and you don't

10:21

want that to get in the way. Um, but it is.

10:25

It can be challenging to learn how to set

10:25

those boundaries, um, but it's possible.

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And so, so there are some of

10:29

those things where it's like, oh

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my gosh, it's such a struggle. But, but again, you deal with

10:33

that anywhere you go in any,

10:36

in any way, because people are,

10:36

people are in life is life.

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And, and that's just going to be the way. That the world works, unfortunately,

10:42

because sometimes people suck.

10:46

But in the exact same breath, being

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a woman in a male dominated industry

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has so, so many opportunities.

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I mean, especially, I had the

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pleasure of coming into it at a

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really young age, and I have a lot

10:58

of aspirations for a young person,

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and so I'm pushing really hard at it.

11:04

And so I've got Both like, I am

11:04

young and I am a female and I think

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that a lot of people are really

11:09

curious about that in its own.

11:12

They're like, what is

11:12

this girl even doing?

11:14

Like I don't understand what is going on.

11:16

This girl in a tiny, like a tiny

11:16

thing in a little, like massive truck.

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I don't like, what is, what

11:19

is the contradiction here?

11:22

It's so questionable. And I think that that adds so much

11:23

value to me and the way that my career

11:29

has been able to escalate forward. And so there's.

11:33

Something annoying about

11:33

sticking out like a sore thumb.

11:37

There's also something

11:37

absolutely incredible about

11:39

sticking out like a sore thumb. And so it's just about

11:40

really how you use that. I think.

11:46

You've got, I think, a different

11:48

challenge than some other people.

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Um, you know, I'll say

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it the way I feel it.

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You are a very young and attractive

11:56

female in a male dominated industry.

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And as you alluded to earlier,

12:02

as you said, it can create.

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Some challenges. And I like what you said about

12:08

set the boundaries and probably

12:13

set them very early as soon as the

12:13

conversation starts going that way,

12:18

because it ain't going to happen.

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Well, I was going to say, one of the interesting things that I'm hearing

12:23

from your, your, your conversation,

12:26

Hannah's, um, support is huge, whether

12:26

it be a family business with family

12:32

support or an employer that supports you.

12:35

You know, is huge when you're doing

12:35

customer facing or into situations where

12:39

it is more predominantly male dominated

12:39

and whatnot, but having that support

12:44

behind you is huge to help you give the

12:44

confidence to make those steps forward.

12:49

So, and there's no doubt about it.

12:51

My, my daughter is, is a

12:51

business owner as well.

12:54

And, and there's things that. She had to overcome to, to get in there.

13:00

Now she's not in a male dominated world,

13:00

but still she deals with a lot of males.

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Um, but it's have to have that

13:05

confidence to going into it

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that, yep, I'm going to do this. I am going to, it's not like

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I have to prove something.

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It's just, I'm going to be confident. I'm going to have that conversation.

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And as you said, that

13:17

situation, I'm going to set.

13:20

The boundaries. We're going to set the boundaries. This is how we're going to play.

13:23

And knowing how to shut that down

13:23

when it's not comfortable for you.

13:28

And again, going back to making

13:28

sure you have the support behind

13:31

you that says, Nope, no problem. You made the right call.

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That's how we're going to move forward.

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And it's, it's hard because I think that a lot of females, especially younger

13:38

females who are coming out of, of high

13:44

school, trying to do co ops or coming out

13:44

of university, trying to start careers.

13:49

A lot of those females are dependent on

13:49

using their appearance to get some of the

13:54

things that they want based on the way

13:54

that they've achieved things in the past,

13:57

which isn't necessarily here nor there.

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I mean, depending on your own opinion,

14:00

but when you come into your career

14:03

world, It's really important not only

14:03

to set your boundaries externally,

14:09

but to set them internally as well. To understand where you stand within

14:11

yourself and what you're willing to

14:15

put out for other people to see, rather

14:15

than letting it kind of happen to you.

14:21

And so, For me, I mean,

14:21

it's really simple.

14:25

It's like, I have personal social

14:25

medias where I will happily,

14:28

I mean, I love wakeboarding.

14:30

It is a passion of mine, but I'm

14:30

in a bathing suit when I do that.

14:33

And so that's a place for that. That is my personal, private

14:35

space and I, I can do some of

14:39

those things in those places. But would I ever put something

14:41

like that out on LinkedIn?

14:45

No, absolutely not. And so it's understanding kind of

14:47

who you are, where you come from,

14:51

where your intentions lie and

14:51

where you're willing to go with it.

14:54

And then setting those boundaries externally. So other people understand the way

14:56

that they can communicate with you,

14:59

but also internally said that you're

14:59

not, I don't want to say inviting

15:03

because that is not the right term. But, um, It's not exploiting yourself

15:05

either, but putting yourself out

15:11

there in a vulnerable space, I

15:11

suppose, is a better way to phrase it.

15:14

And so just really, really being

15:14

intentional about what you do there,

15:18

I think, in a male dominated space

15:18

is really important, for sure.

15:22

Especially for young

15:22

females who are coming.

15:24

Into their careers and are still kind of

15:24

coming into their own and understanding

15:28

the way That they dress even in the

15:28

in a workspace is so hard because they

15:32

don't even necessarily understand that

15:32

that's one of the things We have so

15:36

many co op students who have come in

15:36

With us and it's one of the things they

15:39

struggle with they're like, how do I? I wear leggings and hoodies

15:40

every single day to class.

15:43

I don't know what to wear to

15:43

an office every day I did zoom.

15:46

I did zoom calls for three years.

15:49

I have no idea how to buy a pair of slacks

15:49

How is that even supposed to fit my body?

15:54

And so it's such a, it's such

15:54

a funny thing to think about.

15:57

But you're right, like it's so much

15:57

about the upper level supporting them

16:02

as they come in and being like, let

16:02

me help guide you through this without

16:07

putting limitations or expectations on

16:07

them, but just, just a sense of support.

16:12

Just a sense of, I've experienced

16:12

this and I want to help you.

16:18

Well,

16:18

sadly enough, we have men in the industry that don't know

16:20

how to dress properly for work.

16:22

You know, showing up in flip flops

16:22

and shorts to go drive a tractor

16:26

trailer into a construction zone. Not quite the appropriate work attire.

16:31

You would think steel toed, steel toed, steel toed would be a pretty,

16:32

um, simple But, you know, bare

16:37

toed, apparently, it's all toed.

16:40

Exactly. And going back to your comment about

16:41

how to dress and doing Zoom and

16:46

everything, it brought up or reminded

16:46

me that there's a lot of young

16:50

people of your age who don't Who have

16:50

anxiety about making a phone call.

16:58

It's a real thing.

17:01

Don't even get me started on this. This is so funny.

17:04

So I, my entire university and a

17:04

lot of some of my high school I

17:10

did are after hours online calls.

17:12

And so Staffing agency.

17:15

Dispatch. Drivers. I mean, you have to have

17:16

someone that's available 24 7.

17:19

And so, I would always answer, Hi,

17:19

Hannah McDonald, Revolution Staffing.

17:24

How can I help you? And my friends in high school

17:25

and university, they thought

17:29

it was the funniest thing. They thought it was the weirdest thing.

17:32

And I was dubbed.

17:35

the forever phone call maker.

17:37

If we needed to order reservations,

17:37

if we needed to go bowling and book an

17:41

alley, if I needed to call somewhere

17:41

and ask a question, they were like,

17:44

where's Hannah and give her the phone? Like it's so funny, the paralysis that

17:46

they have over making phone calls, and

17:52

it's just like, I mean, it's, it's sad

17:52

in so many ways, but I think that, It'll

18:00

be interesting to see how it affects

18:00

people who were in high school and in

18:04

university coming into their careers.

18:06

Um, because it's already challenging.

18:08

It's one of the first things we

18:08

tell our co op students to do.

18:11

It's sit here, make 50 phone calls today.

18:13

Good luck. And they're just like,

18:18

I'm

18:18

testing out some new, uh, call it the

18:22

software, um, where I bring in leads.

18:25

And the reason I'm testing

18:25

this new software is the.

18:29

The sales pitch for it is, do you know

18:29

how many people don't want to call you?

18:34

If you don't have a SMS texting

18:34

software, you're losing out.

18:40

And so that's what this software

18:40

allows me to do is, if I can

18:44

get their mobile number, is to

18:44

communicate via text with them as

18:49

opposed to actually talking to them.

18:52

And You know, so anyway, it

18:52

just, it's But that's so sad.

18:56

Isn't it? It's like, let's go back to basics.

19:00

Like, pick up the phone and have

19:00

a conversation with someone.

19:04

Could we just learn to

19:04

communicate like human beings?

19:07

I don't know. Yes, efficiency, but

19:11

And the biggest problem I see with SMS Is you don't hear the voice.

19:16

So, so much of the intent of the message,

19:16

I think, gets lost to its literal words.

19:24

And that's open for so

19:24

much interpretation.

19:28

It's very sad. The

19:30

lack of emotion. can change what you read in

19:31

that, in that text message.

19:36

Um, cause you may go, I think it

19:36

might be this way and then go, Oh,

19:41

but if he's using this kind of tone

19:41

or this emotion, Oh my God, now

19:44

it's really bad. Oh, it's okay, Johnny.

19:46

I put emojis in my text. Yeah.

19:50

Yeah,

19:51

exactly. Thumbs up is frowned upon nowadays.

19:56

And what I really thought was

19:56

a cool thing back in my day.

19:59

And so, yeah.

20:02

Every generation has emojis that they'll like.

20:05

And it's hard to keep up,

20:08

it's impossible. No, I mean, I bring this up

20:08

just because my stepdaughter,

20:13

she's gotten so much better. Recently, um, she can actually

20:15

make a phone call and order pizza,

20:19

but, you know, two or three years

20:19

ago, that wasn't possible, you

20:24

know, and we're talking about Two

20:25

or three years ago, she was locked

20:28

in a pandemic, shut in the house,

20:28

and cut off from all of society.

20:32

Of course she was stunted. She was like, I literally don't

20:33

even know how to function as, as a,

20:37

as a typical average person does,

20:37

just like leaving in the house.

20:41

It's, it's, yeah.

20:43

That's sad.

20:46

Anyways, uh, Workish. Let's talk about a podcast that Hannah has

20:48

called Workish, and Workish is about what?

20:59

Workish is about work ish.

21:02

It's, it's, it's really, it's really

21:02

meant to be, to be a little bit redundant,

21:09

but basically I, was a high school

21:09

teacher at some point, um, and had a

21:18

lot of students that I knew and cared

21:18

about, um, and understood the education

21:24

system and was very alarmed with

21:24

their lack of understanding of career

21:28

opportunities that were ahead of them. And so I think so many people think about

21:31

I think about the future as you can be a

21:37

firefighter, you can be a police officer,

21:37

you can go into business, if you go

21:43

into business you can be a consultant,

21:43

I mean, there's like, that's kind of

21:47

the, or in finance, those are the two

21:47

things that people think of, and so it's

21:50

like, it's fairly streamlined in a lot

21:50

of ways, people don't necessarily know

21:55

all of the different niche opportunities

21:55

that are available to them, and this

21:59

devastates me, as a staffing person,

21:59

I think that If, if people knew about

22:05

how many different career opportunities

22:05

were out there, they would be so much

22:09

more excited to go to work every day. They would be so much more excited

22:11

because they would be in something

22:14

that they cared about more. And so I really just wanted to create

22:16

a platform where I could start talking

22:22

to different people about different

22:22

career paths that they were in and

22:26

understand the roles that they were in.

22:28

And understand how they got where they

22:28

got, and then kind of give some genuinely

22:32

practical advice that comes from that.

22:35

And so that's typically what

22:35

each, each episode looks like.

22:37

It goes, okay, like who are you? Let's meet you.

22:41

What's your name? Where do you come from? What's, what's your story?

22:44

And then we go back to the beginning. Tell me where were you?

22:47

Where, where were you? Pardon me.

22:49

Tell me where When you graduated, and

22:49

then we go through their journey, kind of

22:55

from there, the career pivots that they

22:55

had made, why they made them, whether

22:58

they were intentional, whether they

22:58

fell into their laps, and it's really

23:02

interesting to kind of put, I've now

23:02

done, I believe 13 episodes, and dropped

23:08

about 8 or 9 of them, and it's really

23:08

interesting to look at the different

23:13

patterns between the different women, and

23:13

see some of the things that they chose to

23:19

do, and some of the things that happened

23:19

to them, In consistency with the other

23:24

women, even though they're in different

23:24

jobs or in different career paths.

23:27

And so it's, it's interesting. I never even thought about it from that

23:29

perspective when I was originally starting

23:33

it because I was originally starting it

23:33

and I had connected with, um, this guy

23:37

named Bruce who has a podcast as well. And he was like, I do series.

23:43

Bruce outridge, I don't

23:44

know. Yes, yes.

23:47

We know Bruce. Bruce, yay! Bruce

23:49

is the best. But yeah, he gave me

23:51

this, he gave me this tip.

23:53

He's like, I do all of my podcasts and

23:53

series, so I go through them and I finish

23:59

a series out and I was like, oh, this

23:59

is actually the best way to possibly

24:02

do a podcast because the concept of

24:02

adopting an entire podcast inconsistently.

24:07

There we go. I love to see it.

24:09

That's the best. It's a great hat.

24:13

The concept of adopting the entire, yeah,

24:13

the entire podcast seemed so overwhelming.

24:18

So I just stuck to little series. And so this is the women

24:20

in male dominated series.

24:24

Um, the next one, oh my gosh, I have

24:24

like 10 different ones I want to do.

24:28

I'm so excited. I want to do a family business one.

24:31

I want to do a Gen Z entrepreneur one.

24:33

I want to do, there's so many different

24:33

things down the line I'm so excited about.

24:38

But it's really, it's, it's escalated

24:38

into something that I thought I might

24:42

like from something and just that

24:42

I'm incredibly passionate about.

24:46

And I'm like, Oh, I just want to run

24:46

a hundred different directions with

24:49

it and really need to rein it in. But it's been so much fun.

24:52

It's been so much fun to do this year. What

24:55

I heard

24:55

you say, and just to kind of not recap,

24:58

but workish, at least the first several

24:58

episodes, are women, your guests

25:05

are women, and they're predominantly

25:05

in a male dominated industry.

25:10

Correct. Yes. So, which is bringing it

25:11

back to our topic today.

25:16

. Hannah MacDonald-Dannecker, Better Together Group: Absolutely.

25:18

Yeah. So the first, the first one I

25:18

did was with Sara Mackie, and

25:22

it was all about transportation. And then I've done a lot since

25:24

then, I've done one from a

25:29

girl who's in a tech industry. I've done one who's a public speaker.

25:33

I've done one with a pilot. I've done one with a personal trainer.

25:39

Um, one with a professional

25:39

athlete, one with like a really

25:44

wide variety of different women. Um, and it's been really, really

25:46

great because there's so many of them.

25:49

I've just been able to pull

25:49

in for my personal network.

25:52

Just like, Hey, come on,

25:52

let's do this thing together.

25:55

Let's

25:56

go. Why not? Why not? Yeah. Great idea.

25:58

Really fun. And we will have links

26:00

to the podcast Workish.

26:05

in the show notes down below

26:05

if you want to check that out.

26:08

Um, to wrap up, tell us again about

26:08

the Better Together group and your

26:16

contact info obviously will, perhaps

26:16

not obviously, it will be in the

26:21

contact or in the show notes down below.

26:27

The joys of living in an apartment. Sorry, my dog was just going

26:29

off for a moment there.

26:32

Yeah, the Better Together group.

26:36

Um, we help find jobs for people.

26:40

And we help find, um, people for

26:40

companies who need employees.

26:46

That's realistically what we do. And so, um, we're happy to connect

26:48

with anyone and support them.

26:53

I have a massive passion for Gen Zs.

26:56

And so if you're trying to learn, if

26:56

you're a company listening to this and

27:00

you're like, I'm trying to learn how to

27:00

connect with my Gen Z employees, like I

27:03

have no idea how to communicate with them. I have no idea.

27:06

where they come from or what

27:06

they're saying when they're

27:08

talking to me, reach out. I'd love to connect

27:10

with you about that too. Uh, but yeah, you can, you can

27:12

just honestly find me on LinkedIn,

27:15

Hannah MacDonald M A C D O N A L D

27:15

Daniker, which is my new last name.

27:21

Uh, or you can send me an email, which

27:21

is just Hannah at better together group.

27:26

com.

27:27

And yes, Hannah recently. Put a ring on her finger.

27:32

I did. I did. Well, I didn't.

27:34

I put a ring on someone else's finger

27:34

and someone else put a ring on mine.

27:37

But there you go.

27:38

Yes, correct. And by the way, because I've

27:40

known your dad for a big number

27:44

of years, I'll bet you 20.

27:47

I remember Being at a trade

27:47

show, I don't know if he would

27:51

remember this, I believe it was in

27:51

Kitchener, a Kitchener truck show.

27:54

It was really small and he was just

27:54

starting out in those days and it

27:58

was called Revolution Staffing. But the thing I wanted to add that perhaps

28:00

you couldn't is I know your dad, and I

28:06

know he's ethical, um, so not all staffing

28:06

agencies, at least in the old days when I

28:13

used to hire from staffing agencies, could

28:13

I have said that about the owners, that

28:17

they were also ethical, so I will throw

28:17

that out for the Better Together group.

28:23

Dave MacDonald is an ethical

28:23

person, and I'm sure Hannah falls

28:27

under that, because you are also. A wonderful person.

28:30

I first met you at the truck show

28:30

in Toronto, many, many years ago.

28:37

I was going to say, yeah, I don't even know what year that would be.

28:39

I was looking at some of my, um, some

28:39

of my old photos because I was missing

28:43

it on the TTC dinner last night. And I had photos from seven years ago.

28:48

Um, which for you, I'm sure does not

28:48

sound like a crazy amount of time.

28:52

But for me, I was still in

28:52

my early high school days.

28:55

And so it was pretty

28:55

interesting to see those.

28:58

I was like, Oh my God, I'm starting

28:58

to like be in the industry.

29:02

I love it.

29:04

But yeah, that, that would have

29:04

probably been a couple of years ago.

29:07

I've been coming to, you said truck

29:09

world. Yeah, I think it was,

29:10

I'm sure it was truck

29:11

world. Yep. I've been coming to truck world

29:12

for, I think a decade now.

29:15

Which, as a 24 year old,

29:15

is a really long time, so.

29:19

Yep, big time,

29:20

big time. I remember the day that I met

29:21

you, you were alone in the

29:24

Revolution staffing booth. And I

29:28

couldn't believe you were He checks out. Dave abandons me all the time.

29:33

He runs off, goes to the

29:33

bathroom, goes to meet people.

29:36

He's like, I'll be two minutes. He comes back four hours later and he's

29:37

like, I'm sorry, I saw so many people.

29:41

Yeah, it's a man thing. I

29:44

get accused of

29:45

that. It's an old man thing.

29:47

It's an old man thing.

29:48

It happens when you're loved.

29:51

Hey, we'll say that. When you walk through a room

29:52

and people just are like,

29:54

John, I've been looking to talk

29:56

to you for so long.

29:57

Exactly. Yeah, it does.

30:00

And I think that is a great

30:00

spot to wrap this one up.

30:05

What an

30:05

awesome interview with Hannah MacDonald.

30:08

Uh, Dan occur. Um, talking about how this very

30:09

special challenges that women

30:16

face in a male dominated industry.

30:18

And I think what it is that we can do.

30:21

Men can do about it. Join us again next week on the

30:22

trucking risk and insurance podcast

30:26

till then have a great week.