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Listener discretion is advised. Hello

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and welcome to True Crime, the podcast

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that helps you find new, emerging, and

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undiscovered true crime podcasts. I'm

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Greg, the host and curator of True

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Crime. Today's episode is

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from Love and Murder. Love and

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Murder is a weekly true crime podcast

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about relationships that turned

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to murder. If you like today's episode,

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All right, let's get this show started. Welcome

0:32

everyone. Welcome to a new episode

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of Love and Murder, the weekly

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true crime podcast discussing relationships

0:39

gone terribly wrong. Where our

0:41

motto is, you're either someone's last

0:43

love or their first murder. I

0:46

am your host, Kai, and I know y'all

0:48

missed me. Since I've been hosting

0:51

alone, I haven't been gone this long and

0:53

it feels weird. It's only been like

0:55

three days, but

0:57

it feels weird. Well,

1:00

listen to the end. Have I got

1:02

a story to tell you. As

1:04

well as some shout outs and reading your

1:06

comments from last week's cases. In

1:08

this episode,

1:09

we're talking about a case of law enforcement

1:11

mess ups. No, this

1:13

episode is not bashing cops on

1:16

a whole. It's bashing these

1:18

cops, these law enforcement departments.

1:21

And it actually wasn't just the police. It

1:23

was just the entire law enforcement

1:26

department

1:27

dealing with this particular case. You'll

1:30

see what I'm talking about. I wanna

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remind you that this episode is sponsored

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let's get into some love and murder.

2:33

On October 6th, 1983 in

2:35

Melbourne, Australia, Frederick Boyle,

2:38

who was originally from Peterson, Super

2:40

Eli, look I had to look this

2:42

up, Vale of Glamorgan

2:46

in Wales. That is like

2:48

the longest city

2:52

slash state. I

2:54

don't know, what would you call it, a province or whatever?

2:58

So I'm guessing the city is Peterson, Super

3:00

Eli. And then the

3:03

province is Vale of Glamorgan

3:06

and then this is in Wales in the UK.

3:09

I had to look that up because I'd never heard of

3:12

this whole thing. I'd heard of Wales, but

3:14

the whole place I'd never heard of it. Anyways, he

3:17

woke up to find that his 30-year-old

3:19

wife, Edwina Boyle, had disappeared. He

3:22

said that he'd

3:22

fallen asleep with all his clothes on on the couch

3:24

and when he woke up he couldn't find his wife.

3:27

What he did find though was a dear John

3:29

Letter saying that she was having

3:31

an affair and had run away with her truck driver

3:34

lover named Ray. So you

3:36

know, deuces and all that junk, it's been

3:38

real. Our love ran dry. I mean, whatever

3:41

you want me to say to move on with

3:42

your life, bottom line, bye.

3:45

Obviously, it didn't

3:46

say all that, but that's what

3:48

it said in my head. The couple had met on a bus

3:51

in Cardiff, which is the capital of Wales,

3:53

and yes, I had to look that up, and had moved

3:55

from Britain to Australia in 1972 when

3:58

they were still newlyweds.

4:00

There, they shared two daughters, Sharon

4:02

and Carisa. Carisa was the oldest, and

4:05

they all shared a home in the suburbs in

4:08

Dandenong, Dandenong,

4:12

D-A-N-D-E-N-O-N-G,

4:16

North Melbourne, Australia.

4:19

Now, after he woke up and found

4:21

that his wife was missing, he was

4:24

devastated. I mean, she

4:26

didn't just leave him, but she left

4:28

their two kids, and she

4:30

left them to go off with some other guy. Everyone

4:33

catered to him and the kids. Of course, they sympathized

4:36

with him because how dare her leave him with

4:38

the kids and go off with another man. Two

4:41

days later, however, Fred

4:43

moved another woman, Virginia

4:46

Gisara, into the house. Why'd

4:49

you wait so long, Fred? I mean, two

4:52

hours would have been good, right? That's

4:55

called sarcasm. Now, on

4:57

the flip side, Edwina's sister, Valerie

5:00

Bordley, didn't believe this story

5:02

for one second,

5:05

and moving this woman

5:06

in so soon just had all

5:09

her alarm bells going off.

5:11

Seven years went by, and Virginia and Fred

5:14

lived in the house and raised the kids. Throughout

5:17

the years, Valerie hired a PI in

5:19

search of her sister or any evidence at all

5:22

that her sister was still alive. She'd

5:24

also been in regular contact with the police

5:26

trying to convince them that her sister had disappeared.

5:30

According to the PI, they literally

5:33

couldn't find any evidence that Edwina

5:35

existed period after the day

5:37

that she supposedly left. There

5:39

was no paper trail, no credit card

5:42

evidence, she hadn't accessed her

5:44

bank, so was

5:46

she just living off raise money or

5:48

something? Or she

5:50

hadn't even touched her health cards. Also,

5:53

in the beginning, she used to write her family

5:55

all the time, and as time moved on,

5:58

the letters became fewer and more. far between

6:01

in nineteen ninety four eleven years

6:03

after her sister vanished valerie

6:05

filed a missing persons report however

6:08

the police didn't take it seriously and

6:11

told her that she nice except that her

6:13

sister had left says like

6:15

fred said stop being crazy

6:18

you're searching for nothing she's live in

6:20

another life leave us alone we

6:22

have cases to solve one

6:24

day now i'm not sure of the year this

6:28

there was so many so few facts

6:30

given you

6:32

know how i like dates my like to give the all

6:34

exactly what date time day and

6:36

everything look i look all this about the lights

6:39

went day was october third nineteen seventy

6:41

five i look everything up this one

6:43

had no dates

6:44

while very little bit bates so

6:47

like he said one day we're not

6:49

sure of the year day months anything

6:52

theresa started dating a fellow

6:54

named michael haggerty one

6:56

day he was over at their house and he notices

6:58

big blue barrel in their backyard

7:01

now the barrel

7:03

was big like

7:06

forty four gallons big or

7:09

to my metric people one hundred

7:11

sixty six point five liters

7:14

he started zoc in about what was in the

7:16

barrel one day he made

7:18

a joke to tree said that maybe you

7:20

know maybe your mom didn't run away

7:22

been a said she's been killed and stuff the net

7:24

bowel i mean dark

7:26

humor maybe theresa thought it was funny

7:29

maybe not i'm not sure

7:31

you know who didn't find it funny though fred

7:35

after this he started acting anxious

7:37

whenever people were around

7:39

the barrel looked at the barrel or

7:41

even touch the bow like would

7:44

you do and there three from it

7:46

moist don't touch it like he

7:48

just started and he never acted like this before

7:51

now theresa michael that really serious

7:53

and got married michael then moved

7:55

in

7:56

he kept staring at that barrel i

7:59

live in the

10:23

And

12:00

then they walked out of the room. I mean that's how

12:02

it happened in my head Minus the story

12:05

because he really said that so his trial

12:07

started soon after his arrest again

12:10

No dates were given and

12:12

you better believe that her

12:14

sister Valerie traveled all

12:17

The way from Wales to go to this court

12:19

case Edwina's family

12:22

never believed the she ran away with the milkman

12:25

story Fred pled what

12:27

lambs? What do you think he pled?

12:29

not

12:31

guilty and Repeated

12:33

his story to the court During

12:35

court it came out that Fred was

12:38

all kinds of evil

12:41

People who knew him reported that

12:43

one time when they had gone horseback

12:45

riding with him his horse had gotten

12:48

stuck in the mud Now let's

12:50

pause lambs. What would you do if

12:52

your horse got stuck in the mud? I? I

12:55

hope in that brief pause y'all

12:57

said that you would try and help it out But

13:00

if you were one of those ones who said that you would

13:02

grab a nearby wire and slowly

13:05

strangle it to death Then obviously

13:07

you need help and you're as crazy

13:10

as Fred because that's exactly what he did Another

13:13

time he opened the oven in his

13:15

house and found a mouse inside of it Instead

13:19

of trying to take it out, which I wouldn't that's

13:21

you know man work y'all could laugh

13:23

at me I don't care. I don't do mice. I

13:25

don't do roaches

13:27

Hell no,

13:29

that's what I called my husband for and I remind him.

13:31

That's why I married you But

13:33

instead of trying to take the mouse out He

13:36

just closed the oven and turned it

13:39

on for

13:39

the mouth to bake to death

13:43

Now if that's not a lunatic Then

13:45

I don't know what is

13:47

Then the court heard about the barrel and

13:49

how long it had been taken from house to house They

13:51

were also told that when people came to

13:53

the house for parties. They would be playing

13:56

around the barrel eating on it You

13:58

know stuff you do and you see a barrel out. So

14:01

note to self, when I see a barrel, don't

14:04

touch it. I am actually going to be putting

14:06

the pictures of party goers

14:08

who are partying around the barrel into

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Patreon if you want to see them. www.patreon.com

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forward slash love and murder. And

14:17

only he knew, I just want to make this clear, only

14:19

he knew what was in that barrel and he

14:22

let people do it and sat there

14:24

watching them without an ounce of care. Then

14:27

Carissa took to the stand. She

14:29

told the court that she remembers her parents

14:31

were arguing before she disappeared. She

14:34

remembered that they were arguing actually about

14:36

Virginia. Quote, I

14:38

would lay awake at night hearing them fight.

14:41

She would say, you've been with her again.

14:43

I did not know what an affair

14:45

was then, end quote. So

14:48

basically she heard them arguing, but

14:50

she didn't understand like about what.

14:53

As the trial continued, I

14:55

guess he figured no one would believe that story

14:58

because of everything that was coming out. So

15:00

he finally admitted what happened. I don't

15:02

know. Maybe he thought he would get time off for

15:04

telling the truth. They'd go leaning on him like,

15:06

okay, you told the truth. So we'll

15:09

only give you a slap on the wrist and one year's probation.

15:12

Maybe that's what he thought. I don't know why

15:14

he suddenly came forward, but he did. He

15:16

said that he strangled Edwina

15:19

and then shot her in the head.

15:21

Quote, my wife died in

15:23

a terrible way and I was not going

15:25

to let her remains be thrown down the tip

15:27

like garbage.

15:30

So wait a second. You did her

15:32

a favor by putting her body in the barrel.

15:35

Is that what you're getting at? Is

15:37

that really what you're trying to say in court

15:40

in front of all these people? Oh my

15:42

God. The

15:43

narcissism.

15:46

The prosecution literally called him

15:48

a quote pathological liar.

15:51

And in February of 2008, 23 years after Edwina's disappearance,

15:53

the

15:58

now 58 year old,

15:59

Fred Boyle was charged with first-degree

16:02

murder of his wife. He was

16:04

sentenced to 21 years in prison, with 17

16:07

of those years as a non-parole period.

16:11

The Supreme Court Justice, Jack

16:13

Forrest, said that Fred had shown

16:15

zero remorse in what he'd done

16:18

and had, quote, constructed a web

16:20

of deceit and lies to avoid being

16:22

caught.

16:24

It also suddenly, shockingly,

16:27

amazingly came out that 10

16:30

years after Edwina went missing, police

16:32

suspected something else had happened to her. But

16:35

whenever they spoke to Ed, he kept up the

16:37

story of her running away. I

16:39

mean, 10 years?

16:42

Why so soon?

16:43

Valerie is also the one who forced

16:46

the police to open an investigation, as I

16:48

said before. She'd reported

16:50

the case to the Shady Lane police in

16:52

Watford in 1984, and they gave her

16:56

information to Interpol, who

16:59

gave it to the Victorian authorities. So

17:02

basically, all those hands it

17:04

passed through, yet if it hadn't have

17:06

been for

17:06

Michael, Fred would still be free.

17:09

Anyway, this came to the hands

17:11

of coroner Wendy Wilmes. The

17:13

police told her that Fred had spoken

17:15

to them and said, quote, I got

17:17

nothing to hide. So

17:20

they felt like she'd left and

17:22

was living under a new name. Well,

17:24

Dr. Wilmes said back to them, quote,

17:28

the length of time which has elapsed since Mrs.

17:31

Boyle's disappearance with no contact

17:33

with her children or family in Britain makes

17:36

it extremely unlikely that she's alive.

17:39

Dr. Wilmes asked to see the notes and police

17:41

said, well,

17:43

um,

17:44

ma'am, it appears that he destroyed

17:47

the note.

17:48

Right. No evidence

17:50

and y'all just, I don't know, took his

17:52

word for it.

17:53

Dr. Wilmes responded with, quote,

17:56

there may be some doubt as to whether Mrs. Boyle

17:59

actually.

17:59

wrote the note, with the possibility

18:02

being that Mr. Boyle forged her handwriting.

18:06

So basically the one person was sense.

18:09

Funny how this is all suddenly coming out.

18:12

Actually because of this case in part, there

18:14

was a whole overhaul to the missing persons

18:17

unit in 2006 in Australia. Well

18:21

in that area of Australia. And

18:24

that is the case

18:25

of Frederick Boyle.

18:27

What do you all think about this case and the utter

18:30

disregard to even looking

18:32

for this woman? You know

18:34

how to get your thoughts to me, but today

18:37

I'm ending this episode with a short story

18:40

time and reading your comments from

18:42

last week's episodes. Normally

18:44

I wouldn't do this because I personally,

18:46

personally I'm not judging

18:48

anybody else. This is me because

18:51

this is my platform and

18:53

I do things differently

18:54

on my platform. How I

18:56

like it.

18:57

And how you all like it when you message

18:59

in with

19:00

common sense requests.

19:02

I personally think it's disrespectful

19:04

to the case

19:05

if you know I do like

19:08

a story about myself or

19:11

you know something like that after the case or

19:13

I feel like if it's like something

19:15

funny or light hearted. I don't know why. I

19:18

just feel it's disrespectful. That's just me

19:20

personally. However today

19:22

I'm going to do this because the episode was

19:24

late and I feel you lambs deserve

19:26

an explanation. And I

19:28

was going to put out the comments episode on Saturday

19:31

and I didn't get to that nor did I get

19:33

to put out the full episode on Sunday

19:36

or even at commute time today, Eastern

19:38

Standard Time. So

19:40

story time first. You're

19:42

listening to an episode of Love and Murder

19:45

on True Crime by Indie Drop-In. We're

19:47

going to take a quick break.

19:50

And now back to this episode of Love

19:52

and Murder.

19:54

I'm sitting here minding my business you

19:56

know getting the show ready and everything like that

19:58

brushing up my research. so I can

20:01

give you all the information. I'm

20:04

eating and then suddenly I feel something

20:06

hard. Like what? I

20:09

wasn't even eating anything hard. I'm eating something

20:11

that should be actually soft. It's

20:13

like, what is this thing? And I spit out

20:16

my tooth, my frickin' tooth.

20:20

So I run upstairs because my

20:22

daughter probably would have grabbed her phone and turned on the camera,

20:25

but I'm old. So I

20:27

ran upstairs to look in the mirror and I'm

20:29

seeing

20:30

there's a gaping frickin' hole

20:34

in my mouth with a

20:36

bit of tooth in it. So

20:39

I'm looking and it looks rotten.

20:44

Like my tooth was rotten. I'm not sure. But

20:47

backstory, this tooth was

20:50

a root canal and backstory,

20:52

the root canal was because the dentist

20:54

I was going to, they had filled a small

20:57

cavity and they

20:59

apparently left like a

21:03

pocket in my tooth. So

21:05

food was just sitting there building up for years.

21:08

I come back for my six month checkup

21:11

and they tell me I need to do a root canal, first

21:14

root canal of my entire life. And

21:16

I told them that they did this to my teeth

21:19

and they were like, oh, there's no records of it. I

21:22

don't know what you're talking about. This has been the only dentist

21:24

I've been going to for years. So

21:28

I don't have records of it. It could not have possibly

21:30

been us. Okay, whatever. Do

21:33

the root canal. I

21:36

think July, one

21:39

of the dentists, I was doing my checkup again,

21:41

one of the dentists had done the X-Rans, she said,

21:43

I see a pocket in there.

21:45

So I was like, well,

21:47

it hasn't even been five years, so y'all need to

21:49

redo this for free because I'm not

21:51

paying for this. So she was

21:53

like, well, I'm not a dentist who did it. You guys talked

21:55

to the dentist who did it, blah, blah, blah. Went back, talked

21:58

to that dentist and he said. He

22:00

didn't see anything. Oh, I don't see a pocket.

22:03

But and I quote, if

22:05

you start feeling pain or when you start feeling

22:08

pain, I can't remember if he said if or when. Then

22:11

call us back. So I'm thinking to myself,

22:13

so I should wait till my teeth rot

22:16

before you do something about it. So

22:19

I've already booked another dentist. I did my

22:21

research, found another dentist, booked

22:24

another appointment. But

22:26

you know,

22:26

post COVID, it's not

22:29

as simple to go to another doctor or

22:31

dentist or anything medical.

22:35

There is a long waiting period if

22:37

you are a new patient now. So

22:40

I have an appointment coming up, but it's

22:42

not even this month. That's

22:44

how long it is. It's some time.

22:47

Okay, whatever. I'm going to have that doctor

22:49

look, that other dentist look. So

22:51

then my teeth breaks. And

22:54

I told

22:54

this woman,

22:55

this is the same dentist who had seen

22:58

the pocket. And I'm telling her

23:00

that she said this. And I said, but

23:02

he said this.

23:04

And she's all like, Oh,

23:07

well, I don't see. I said, it doesn't look

23:09

rotten to you. She's like, Oh, I can't tell because

23:11

your teeth broken frickin half. And

23:15

one half is in the one

23:18

half is in the fake tooth

23:20

bridge, whatever it's called. And I can't tell.

23:23

And I'm like, to me, it looks rotten. I mean,

23:25

personally, I didn't think

23:27

I needed to be a dentist to see this, but

23:30

whatever. I believe, you know, she

23:32

didn't want to throw her coworker under the bus,

23:35

whatever. So I

23:38

got

23:38

to go back. So

23:41

that was my day wasted there. I got to go back

23:43

again to get another consultation,

23:45

another day wasted. And

23:48

then

23:48

they're going to have to probably dig

23:51

it out or whatever. So

23:52

joy. And then they're

23:54

giving me options of what I could do. I could do a

23:56

bridge. I could do a this, and they're giving me the money.

23:59

How much is going to cost? and I'm just like looking

24:02

at them like, you do

24:04

know we're in a recession,

24:05

right? And I'm just wondering.

24:08

And to me, this is

24:10

all their fault. So my whole thing

24:12

is why am I even paying anything? But

24:15

that's something I'm gonna have to deal with. But

24:17

anyways, that's

24:19

my little story time on of what happened that

24:22

threw me off from my research

24:24

and my writing and my this and my that. And that's

24:26

why the episodes didn't come out. So,

24:30

you know, I completely flaked on the pod

24:32

and I apologize to all of you for

24:34

that. Because, you know,

24:37

you expect a certain level of professionalism

24:40

for me. And,

24:41

you know, you don't bring personal

24:44

issues

24:44

to work. So I

24:46

do apologize for that. But I

24:48

did think that y'all deserve to know why the

24:50

episode came out late.

24:52

And so I told you a bit about my

24:54

business. And for those of y'all who are still

24:56

here through that boring story, well, thank you. And

24:59

I wanna go ahead and give my shout outs

25:02

and then read your comments from

25:04

last week's episode.

25:06

So first of all, as you all already

25:08

know,

25:08

big shout out to my lamb

25:10

Patreon group. Thank you so much for

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supporting Love and Murder with your hard

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earned money. I really, really appreciate

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it. I mean it, I'm serious. I really appreciate

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it. And I mean, literally

25:21

in all honesty, all of my lambs.

25:24

This is my job. This is the only

25:26

job I do. It's a full time job

25:29

too. So I don't think I'm over here slacking. Especially

25:32

now with the new Kai Rance segment

25:34

that everyone likes so much. I'm basically

25:36

going into overtime with this work. But

25:38

I'm not complaining.

25:39

Love it, love it.

25:41

Wouldn't change it for the world. So

25:44

your monetary support really helps

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me in more ways than you can imagine.

25:49

And I really, really thank you for that. So

25:51

my lamb Patreon shout

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outs, first of all, all of you,

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but especially the ones who engage

25:56

like Stacy Marie, Cindy

25:59

G, and

25:59

And I'm gonna say it wrong and I apologize.

26:03

Shanyeli, Shanyeli, Shanyel

26:06

H.

26:07

Thank you so much for your engagements. It

26:10

makes me continuously think that somebody's listening.

26:13

Those are my Lamb Patreon engagements. Now,

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outside of Patreon, in

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the Lamb Facebook group, Julia

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Y. I think it's two names in one,

26:23

Julia Y. Rachel H. She doesn't

26:26

speak much, but she engages with

26:28

everything, literally everything I put out.

26:31

She likes it, you know, she'll heart it,

26:33

whatever. So even that small

26:35

gesture means a lot to me, Julia.

26:38

Seriously, thank you. Honorable

26:40

mention is Kathleen M.G.

26:43

And now for your comments from the episodes

26:45

last week. So last week, there

26:48

wasn't a lot of comments. So what I

26:50

decided to do was go like

26:52

the past two weeks. So

26:54

let's go back to episode 115, the

26:57

case of Lauren Jo Aquin. The

27:00

poll question that I had out is, did

27:02

you think that he did it? And 66%

27:04

of y'all said, no,

27:06

there was not enough evidence.

27:08

And the rest said, yes,

27:11

evidence proved it.

27:12

This one I'm on the fence about. To

27:15

me, there was not enough evidence, but

27:17

then again, there was enough circumstantial

27:19

evidence, which really doesn't mean anything.

27:22

So I'm on the fence about that one. Then

27:25

the Kai Rance about the mom's suing

27:27

Snapchat because the child died of

27:29

fentanyl poisoning. My poll

27:31

on there was, do you agree with her suing Snapchat?

27:36

And it was 50-50,

27:37

literally half-half.

27:39

Half of y'all said

27:41

yes. And I said, tell me why, but you didn't.

27:44

And the other half of you said no. Then

27:47

another comment, well, two more comments

27:50

on the Kai Rance episode of

27:52

the Colorado Stepmother killing

27:54

her 11-year-old stepson.

27:56

Vicki C said, no excuse,

27:58

but his dad kept...

27:59

dumping his son on the stepmom. She

28:02

married him and he married someone to watch

28:04

his kid. Which was what I was

28:06

saying in the episode, which is why

28:09

does she have the kid in the first place? Why wasn't

28:11

he with his mother?

28:13

Like

28:14

that's what I couldn't get

28:16

that either, Vicki. And then Livin

28:18

Masterpiece said, the dad

28:20

should have paid closer attention to the interactions

28:23

between Leticia and Gannon. Not

28:25

to mention, if she didn't want to be responsible

28:27

for the children, marry somebody without

28:29

children. Boom, that's what I'm talking

28:31

about, Livin Masterpiece. I

28:34

completely agree. Why did you

28:36

marry somebody who had a child if

28:38

you didn't want to be around children? And

28:41

yes, the dad should have paid

28:43

closer attention. So I agree with

28:45

you. And then about the chirans,

28:47

about Angela Tran, the college student who

28:49

was stabbed 107 times by

28:51

her stepdad, Vicki C said

28:54

that she thought it was sexual. And

28:56

I think we did say something about that in

28:58

the episode. Like maybe

29:01

he had touched her way back in

29:03

a day or something. I can't really remember,

29:06

but that was actually her stepdad

29:09

and he was crazy.

29:10

And now as the episode 116,

29:13

the case of Dawson McGee, I

29:17

asked, what did you think about this episode as I

29:19

do for all episodes? And username

29:21

Vores said, I love

29:24

Kai's voice and dry humor. Good

29:26

narrator. And this is Christelle

29:28

from Belgium. Thank you, way from

29:30

Belgium. That's so awesome.

29:33

Thank you for listening. I

29:36

know why you said you like my voice. That's so funny

29:39

because I said, if people say something

29:41

stupid, I'm not saying your

29:43

comment on air. Because

29:46

I get comments where I can't stand how

29:48

you put on different

29:50

voices. It's not funny. Okay, then

29:52

don't listen to me. Or I literally

29:55

get comments saying, I don't like your voice.

29:57

I don't like your comment. I

29:59

get it.

29:59

Guess we're in agreement? I don't... Okay.

30:04

But thank you, Christelle.

30:05

Love you all the way from Belgium. And

30:08

then an episode of Kyrants,

30:10

which a Florida mother allegedly planned

30:13

murder with her son. I put out

30:15

a poll asking, do you think the mother

30:17

should be charged? And again, that was

30:19

split 50-50. Some

30:22

people said absolutely and some people said

30:24

absolutely not. It would be nice

30:26

if you left me a comment telling me why you thought

30:28

so or why you didn't think so. But either

30:30

way, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it'll be nice. Just

30:33

you answering the poll is enough for me to.

30:36

And then, so remember, I did

30:38

a Kyrants where the father found

30:41

the body of his daughter dead under the bed and then I

30:43

had to come out quick and do an

30:45

update to that because as I was looking

30:47

for pictures, I found an update.

30:50

So someone said, Alexa

30:52

D said, crazy situation

30:54

with many questions unanswered. I

30:57

agree. My main question

31:00

is how did he get in the house?

31:02

That's my main question because there

31:04

wasn't any break-ins or, well, any

31:07

signs of a break-in or anything like that. They

31:09

said his key was on the floor. Did he drop

31:12

the key? Did somehow, was this

31:14

like

31:15

a key that was so filed down that

31:17

it worked in a similar lock

31:19

or

31:21

she had said that she basically quote,

31:23

knew this guy because she said, oh, it's the, what

31:26

did she say? It's the long-haired guy from

31:28

down to hall. So she was familiar with him.

31:31

So maybe he was like, hey, it's

31:33

me, you know, whatever. What was

31:35

his name again? Jose. I

31:37

can't remember his name. Sorry. I do so

31:39

many cases. I can't remember everybody's

31:42

names, but I think his name was Juan,

31:44

Juan Carlos. That was his name. So

31:46

maybe he said, Hey, it's me, Maria Juan

31:48

Carlos. Open the door. And maybe she's

31:51

like, Oh, it's the neighbor. Let me open the door. But

31:53

you know, we won't know. I guess

31:56

maybe we'll find out if it goes to trial or

31:58

something. Maybe he'll.

32:00

But then maybe not because he said

32:02

he was so wasted. Everybody

32:05

said he was so wasted that day. So maybe he doesn't even remember.

32:08

But that was my main question.

32:10

And then finally, the last

32:13

comment I have was Kai

32:15

Rance, where it was, it

32:18

was originally supposed to be a midweek mini and

32:20

I just put it out where the influencer

32:24

and her mom did a double homicide.

32:26

So to that, Aston T

32:29

said, Hi, I'm a welder.

32:31

An angle grinder is mostly used

32:33

in metalworking. Different wheels can be

32:35

used for different reasons. A cutting

32:38

wheel can be put onto cut metal, which can easily

32:40

cut through flesh. Wow.

32:43

Well, thank you, Aston, for letting

32:45

us know. And this was in response

32:48

to the case where the father killed

32:50

his son. And remember, the grandfather

32:53

was going into the house and he

32:55

was like, I wouldn't go there if I were like, he didn't

32:57

even care.

32:58

You remember? He didn't even care. I

33:00

wouldn't go there if I were you. Oh my God. Some

33:03

people just need to be hit in the face

33:05

with a chair.

33:06

Don't judge me. And

33:09

actually, now that I'm going through the comments,

33:11

I want to do another honorable

33:13

mention because I'm seeing that Vicky

33:16

C seems to comment a lot. So

33:18

thank you for the interaction. I'm

33:21

giving you your own special shout out. Vicky

33:24

C, thank you for your engagement. And

33:26

that's all I have for your comments. I have figured

33:28

that I would start trying to do an episode

33:30

with your comments because Spotify

33:33

gives me a way to

33:35

ask your thoughts. And

33:37

between Spotify and Patreon,

33:40

Patreon, I can comment. I can engage. I

33:42

can have fun. Talk to y'all. The

33:45

Lamb Group, I can have conversations in there,

33:47

the Lamb Facebook Group. But then on

33:49

Spotify, where I get

33:52

my next most engagement, there's

33:55

no way for me to answer y'all. So

33:57

I figured I would do an episode.

33:59

actually respond into your, y'all, this is

34:02

the way I'll get my response out. So,

34:06

if you like this, then keep leaving

34:08

comments and I'll keep making an episode

34:11

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34:13

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34:15

itself with your comments.

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