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All right, let's get this show started. Welcome

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everyone. Welcome to a new episode

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of Love and Murder, the weekly

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gone terribly wrong. Where our

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motto is, you're either someone's last

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love or their first murder. I

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am your host, Kai, and I know y'all

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missed me. Since I've been hosting

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alone, I haven't been gone this long and

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it feels weird. It's only been like

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three days, but

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it feels weird. Well,

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listen to the end. Have I got

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a story to tell you. As

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well as some shout outs and reading your

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comments from last week's cases. In

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this episode,

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we're talking about a case of law enforcement

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mess ups. No, this

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episode is not bashing cops on

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a whole. It's bashing these

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cops, these law enforcement departments.

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On October 6th, 1983 in

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Melbourne, Australia, Frederick Boyle,

2:38

who was originally from Peterson, Super

2:40

Eli, look I had to look this

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up, Vale of Glamorgan

2:46

in Wales. That is like

2:48

the longest city

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slash state. I

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don't know, what would you call it, a province or whatever?

2:58

So I'm guessing the city is Peterson, Super

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Eli. And then the

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province is Vale of Glamorgan

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and then this is in Wales in the UK.

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I had to look that up because I'd never heard of

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this whole thing. I'd heard of Wales, but

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the whole place I'd never heard of it. Anyways, he

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woke up to find that his 30-year-old

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wife, Edwina Boyle, had disappeared. He

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said that he'd

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fallen asleep with all his clothes on on the couch

3:24

and when he woke up he couldn't find his wife.

3:27

What he did find though was a dear John

3:29

Letter saying that she was having

3:31

an affair and had run away with her truck driver

3:34

lover named Ray. So you

3:36

know, deuces and all that junk, it's been

3:38

real. Our love ran dry. I mean, whatever

3:41

you want me to say to move on with

3:42

your life, bottom line, bye.

3:45

Obviously, it didn't

3:46

say all that, but that's what

3:48

it said in my head. The couple had met on a bus

3:51

in Cardiff, which is the capital of Wales,

3:53

and yes, I had to look that up, and had moved

3:55

from Britain to Australia in 1972 when

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they were still newlyweds.

4:00

There, they shared two daughters, Sharon

4:02

and Carisa. Carisa was the oldest, and

4:05

they all shared a home in the suburbs in

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Dandenong, Dandenong,

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D-A-N-D-E-N-O-N-G,

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North Melbourne, Australia.

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Now, after he woke up and found

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that his wife was missing, he was

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devastated. I mean, she

4:26

didn't just leave him, but she left

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their two kids, and she

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left them to go off with some other guy. Everyone

4:33

catered to him and the kids. Of course, they sympathized

4:36

with him because how dare her leave him with

4:38

the kids and go off with another man. Two

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days later, however, Fred

4:43

moved another woman, Virginia

4:46

Gisara, into the house. Why'd

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you wait so long, Fred? I mean, two

4:52

hours would have been good, right? That's

4:55

called sarcasm. Now, on

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the flip side, Edwina's sister, Valerie

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Bordley, didn't believe this story

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for one second,

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and moving this woman

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in so soon just had all

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her alarm bells going off.

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Seven years went by, and Virginia and Fred

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lived in the house and raised the kids. Throughout

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the years, Valerie hired a PI in

5:19

search of her sister or any evidence at all

5:22

that her sister was still alive. She'd

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also been in regular contact with the police

5:26

trying to convince them that her sister had disappeared.

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According to the PI, they literally

5:33

couldn't find any evidence that Edwina

5:35

existed period after the day

5:37

that she supposedly left. There

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was no paper trail, no credit card

5:42

evidence, she hadn't accessed her

5:44

bank, so was

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she just living off raise money or

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something? Or she

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hadn't even touched her health cards. Also,

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in the beginning, she used to write her family

5:55

all the time, and as time moved on,

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the letters became fewer and more. far between

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in nineteen ninety four eleven years

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after her sister vanished valerie

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filed a missing persons report however

6:08

the police didn't take it seriously and

6:11

told her that she nice except that her

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sister had left says like

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fred said stop being crazy

6:18

you're searching for nothing she's live in

6:20

another life leave us alone we

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have cases to solve one

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day now i'm not sure of the year this

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there was so many so few facts

6:30

given you

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know how i like dates my like to give the all

6:34

exactly what date time day and

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everything look i look all this about the lights

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went day was october third nineteen seventy

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five i look everything up this one

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had no dates

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while very little bit bates so

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like he said one day we're not

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sure of the year day months anything

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theresa started dating a fellow

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named michael haggerty one

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day he was over at their house and he notices

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big blue barrel in their backyard

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now the barrel

7:03

was big like

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forty four gallons big or

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to my metric people one hundred

7:11

sixty six point five liters

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he started zoc in about what was in the

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barrel one day he made

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a joke to tree said that maybe you

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know maybe your mom didn't run away

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been a said she's been killed and stuff the net

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bowel i mean dark

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humor maybe theresa thought it was funny

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maybe not i'm not sure

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you know who didn't find it funny though fred

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after this he started acting anxious

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whenever people were around

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the barrel looked at the barrel or

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even touch the bow like would

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you do and there three from it

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moist don't touch it like he

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just started and he never acted like this before

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now theresa michael that really serious

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and got married michael then moved

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in

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he kept staring at that barrel i

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live in the

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And

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then they walked out of the room. I mean that's how

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it happened in my head Minus the story

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because he really said that so his trial

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started soon after his arrest again

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No dates were given and

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you better believe that her

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sister Valerie traveled all

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The way from Wales to go to this court

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case Edwina's family

12:22

never believed the she ran away with the milkman

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story Fred pled what

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lambs? What do you think he pled?

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not

12:31

guilty and Repeated

12:33

his story to the court During

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court it came out that Fred was

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all kinds of evil

12:41

People who knew him reported that

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one time when they had gone horseback

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riding with him his horse had gotten

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stuck in the mud Now let's

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pause lambs. What would you do if

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your horse got stuck in the mud? I? I

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hope in that brief pause y'all

12:57

said that you would try and help it out But

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if you were one of those ones who said that you would

13:02

grab a nearby wire and slowly

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strangle it to death Then obviously

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you need help and you're as crazy

13:10

as Fred because that's exactly what he did Another

13:13

time he opened the oven in his

13:15

house and found a mouse inside of it Instead

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of trying to take it out, which I wouldn't that's

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you know man work y'all could laugh

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at me I don't care. I don't do mice. I

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don't do roaches

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Hell no,

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that's what I called my husband for and I remind him.

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That's why I married you But

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instead of trying to take the mouse out He

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just closed the oven and turned it

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on for

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the mouth to bake to death

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Now if that's not a lunatic Then

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I don't know what is

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Then the court heard about the barrel and

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how long it had been taken from house to house They

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were also told that when people came to

13:53

the house for parties. They would be playing

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around the barrel eating on it You

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know stuff you do and you see a barrel out. So

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note to self, when I see a barrel, don't

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touch it. I am actually going to be putting

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the pictures of party goers

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who are partying around the barrel into

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forward slash love and murder. And

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only he knew, I just want to make this clear, only

14:19

he knew what was in that barrel and he

14:22

let people do it and sat there

14:24

watching them without an ounce of care. Then

14:27

Carissa took to the stand. She

14:29

told the court that she remembers her parents

14:31

were arguing before she disappeared. She

14:34

remembered that they were arguing actually about

14:36

Virginia. Quote, I

14:38

would lay awake at night hearing them fight.

14:41

She would say, you've been with her again.

14:43

I did not know what an affair

14:45

was then, end quote. So

14:48

basically she heard them arguing, but

14:50

she didn't understand like about what.

14:53

As the trial continued, I

14:55

guess he figured no one would believe that story

14:58

because of everything that was coming out. So

15:00

he finally admitted what happened. I don't

15:02

know. Maybe he thought he would get time off for

15:04

telling the truth. They'd go leaning on him like,

15:06

okay, you told the truth. So we'll

15:09

only give you a slap on the wrist and one year's probation.

15:12

Maybe that's what he thought. I don't know why

15:14

he suddenly came forward, but he did. He

15:16

said that he strangled Edwina

15:19

and then shot her in the head.

15:21

Quote, my wife died in

15:23

a terrible way and I was not going

15:25

to let her remains be thrown down the tip

15:27

like garbage.

15:30

So wait a second. You did her

15:32

a favor by putting her body in the barrel.

15:35

Is that what you're getting at? Is

15:37

that really what you're trying to say in court

15:40

in front of all these people? Oh my

15:42

God. The

15:43

narcissism.

15:46

The prosecution literally called him

15:48

a quote pathological liar.

15:51

And in February of 2008, 23 years after Edwina's disappearance,

15:53

the

15:58

now 58 year old,

15:59

Fred Boyle was charged with first-degree

16:02

murder of his wife. He was

16:04

sentenced to 21 years in prison, with 17

16:07

of those years as a non-parole period.

16:11

The Supreme Court Justice, Jack

16:13

Forrest, said that Fred had shown

16:15

zero remorse in what he'd done

16:18

and had, quote, constructed a web

16:20

of deceit and lies to avoid being

16:22

caught.

16:24

It also suddenly, shockingly,

16:27

amazingly came out that 10

16:30

years after Edwina went missing, police

16:32

suspected something else had happened to her. But

16:35

whenever they spoke to Ed, he kept up the

16:37

story of her running away. I

16:39

mean, 10 years?

16:42

Why so soon?

16:43

Valerie is also the one who forced

16:46

the police to open an investigation, as I

16:48

said before. She'd reported

16:50

the case to the Shady Lane police in

16:52

Watford in 1984, and they gave her

16:56

information to Interpol, who

16:59

gave it to the Victorian authorities. So

17:02

basically, all those hands it

17:04

passed through, yet if it hadn't have

17:06

been for

17:06

Michael, Fred would still be free.

17:09

Anyway, this came to the hands

17:11

of coroner Wendy Wilmes. The

17:13

police told her that Fred had spoken

17:15

to them and said, quote, I got

17:17

nothing to hide. So

17:20

they felt like she'd left and

17:22

was living under a new name. Well,

17:24

Dr. Wilmes said back to them, quote,

17:28

the length of time which has elapsed since Mrs.

17:31

Boyle's disappearance with no contact

17:33

with her children or family in Britain makes

17:36

it extremely unlikely that she's alive.

17:39

Dr. Wilmes asked to see the notes and police

17:41

said, well,

17:43

um,

17:44

ma'am, it appears that he destroyed

17:47

the note.

17:48

Right. No evidence

17:50

and y'all just, I don't know, took his

17:52

word for it.

17:53

Dr. Wilmes responded with, quote,

17:56

there may be some doubt as to whether Mrs. Boyle

17:59

actually.

17:59

wrote the note, with the possibility

18:02

being that Mr. Boyle forged her handwriting.

18:06

So basically the one person was sense.

18:09

Funny how this is all suddenly coming out.

18:12

Actually because of this case in part, there

18:14

was a whole overhaul to the missing persons

18:17

unit in 2006 in Australia. Well

18:21

in that area of Australia. And

18:24

that is the case

18:25

of Frederick Boyle.

18:27

What do you all think about this case and the utter

18:30

disregard to even looking

18:32

for this woman? You know

18:34

how to get your thoughts to me, but today

18:37

I'm ending this episode with a short story

18:40

time and reading your comments from

18:42

last week's episodes. Normally

18:44

I wouldn't do this because I personally,

18:46

personally I'm not judging

18:48

anybody else. This is me because

18:51

this is my platform and

18:53

I do things differently

18:54

on my platform. How I

18:56

like it.

18:57

And how you all like it when you message

18:59

in with

19:00

common sense requests.

19:02

I personally think it's disrespectful

19:04

to the case

19:05

if you know I do like

19:08

a story about myself or

19:11

you know something like that after the case or

19:13

I feel like if it's like something

19:15

funny or light hearted. I don't know why. I

19:18

just feel it's disrespectful. That's just me

19:20

personally. However today

19:22

I'm going to do this because the episode was

19:24

late and I feel you lambs deserve

19:26

an explanation. And I

19:28

was going to put out the comments episode on Saturday

19:31

and I didn't get to that nor did I get

19:33

to put out the full episode on Sunday

19:36

or even at commute time today, Eastern

19:38

Standard Time. So

19:40

story time first. You're

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listening to an episode of Love and Murder

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on True Crime by Indie Drop-In. We're

19:47

going to take a quick break.

19:50

And now back to this episode of Love

19:52

and Murder.

19:54

I'm sitting here minding my business you

19:56

know getting the show ready and everything like that

19:58

brushing up my research. so I can

20:01

give you all the information. I'm

20:04

eating and then suddenly I feel something

20:06

hard. Like what? I

20:09

wasn't even eating anything hard. I'm eating something

20:11

that should be actually soft. It's

20:13

like, what is this thing? And I spit out

20:16

my tooth, my frickin' tooth.

20:20

So I run upstairs because my

20:22

daughter probably would have grabbed her phone and turned on the camera,

20:25

but I'm old. So I

20:27

ran upstairs to look in the mirror and I'm

20:29

seeing

20:30

there's a gaping frickin' hole

20:34

in my mouth with a

20:36

bit of tooth in it. So

20:39

I'm looking and it looks rotten.

20:44

Like my tooth was rotten. I'm not sure. But

20:47

backstory, this tooth was

20:50

a root canal and backstory,

20:52

the root canal was because the dentist

20:54

I was going to, they had filled a small

20:57

cavity and they

20:59

apparently left like a

21:03

pocket in my tooth. So

21:05

food was just sitting there building up for years.

21:08

I come back for my six month checkup

21:11

and they tell me I need to do a root canal, first

21:14

root canal of my entire life. And

21:16

I told them that they did this to my teeth

21:19

and they were like, oh, there's no records of it. I

21:22

don't know what you're talking about. This has been the only dentist

21:24

I've been going to for years. So

21:28

I don't have records of it. It could not have possibly

21:30

been us. Okay, whatever. Do

21:33

the root canal. I

21:36

think July, one

21:39

of the dentists, I was doing my checkup again,

21:41

one of the dentists had done the X-Rans, she said,

21:43

I see a pocket in there.

21:45

So I was like, well,

21:47

it hasn't even been five years, so y'all need to

21:49

redo this for free because I'm not

21:51

paying for this. So she was

21:53

like, well, I'm not a dentist who did it. You guys talked

21:55

to the dentist who did it, blah, blah, blah. Went back, talked

21:58

to that dentist and he said. He

22:00

didn't see anything. Oh, I don't see a pocket.

22:03

But and I quote, if

22:05

you start feeling pain or when you start feeling

22:08

pain, I can't remember if he said if or when. Then

22:11

call us back. So I'm thinking to myself,

22:13

so I should wait till my teeth rot

22:16

before you do something about it. So

22:19

I've already booked another dentist. I did my

22:21

research, found another dentist, booked

22:24

another appointment. But

22:26

you know,

22:26

post COVID, it's not

22:29

as simple to go to another doctor or

22:31

dentist or anything medical.

22:35

There is a long waiting period if

22:37

you are a new patient now. So

22:40

I have an appointment coming up, but it's

22:42

not even this month. That's

22:44

how long it is. It's some time.

22:47

Okay, whatever. I'm going to have that doctor

22:49

look, that other dentist look. So

22:51

then my teeth breaks. And

22:54

I told

22:54

this woman,

22:55

this is the same dentist who had seen

22:58

the pocket. And I'm telling her

23:00

that she said this. And I said, but

23:02

he said this.

23:04

And she's all like, Oh,

23:07

well, I don't see. I said, it doesn't look

23:09

rotten to you. She's like, Oh, I can't tell because

23:11

your teeth broken frickin half. And

23:15

one half is in the one

23:18

half is in the fake tooth

23:20

bridge, whatever it's called. And I can't tell.

23:23

And I'm like, to me, it looks rotten. I mean,

23:25

personally, I didn't think

23:27

I needed to be a dentist to see this, but

23:30

whatever. I believe, you know, she

23:32

didn't want to throw her coworker under the bus,

23:35

whatever. So I

23:38

got

23:38

to go back. So

23:41

that was my day wasted there. I got to go back

23:43

again to get another consultation,

23:45

another day wasted. And

23:48

then

23:48

they're going to have to probably dig

23:51

it out or whatever. So

23:52

joy. And then they're

23:54

giving me options of what I could do. I could do a

23:56

bridge. I could do a this, and they're giving me the money.

23:59

How much is going to cost? and I'm just like looking

24:02

at them like, you do

24:04

know we're in a recession,

24:05

right? And I'm just wondering.

24:08

And to me, this is

24:10

all their fault. So my whole thing

24:12

is why am I even paying anything? But

24:15

that's something I'm gonna have to deal with. But

24:17

anyways, that's

24:19

my little story time on of what happened that

24:22

threw me off from my research

24:24

and my writing and my this and my that. And that's

24:26

why the episodes didn't come out. So,

24:30

you know, I completely flaked on the pod

24:32

and I apologize to all of you for

24:34

that. Because, you know,

24:37

you expect a certain level of professionalism

24:40

for me. And,

24:41

you know, you don't bring personal

24:44

issues

24:44

to work. So I

24:46

do apologize for that. But I

24:48

did think that y'all deserve to know why the

24:50

episode came out late.

24:52

And so I told you a bit about my

24:54

business. And for those of y'all who are still

24:56

here through that boring story, well, thank you. And

24:59

I wanna go ahead and give my shout outs

25:02

and then read your comments from

25:04

last week's episode.

25:06

So first of all, as you all already

25:08

know,

25:08

big shout out to my lamb

25:10

Patreon group. Thank you so much for

25:12

supporting Love and Murder with your hard

25:15

earned money. I really, really appreciate

25:17

it. I mean it, I'm serious. I really appreciate

25:19

it. And I mean, literally

25:21

in all honesty, all of my lambs.

25:24

This is my job. This is the only

25:26

job I do. It's a full time job

25:29

too. So I don't think I'm over here slacking. Especially

25:32

now with the new Kai Rance segment

25:34

that everyone likes so much. I'm basically

25:36

going into overtime with this work. But

25:38

I'm not complaining.

25:39

Love it, love it.

25:41

Wouldn't change it for the world. So

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your monetary support really helps

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me in more ways than you can imagine.

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And I really, really thank you for that. So

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my lamb Patreon shout

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outs, first of all, all of you,

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but especially the ones who engage

25:56

like Stacy Marie, Cindy

25:59

G, and

25:59

And I'm gonna say it wrong and I apologize.

26:03

Shanyeli, Shanyeli, Shanyel

26:06

H.

26:07

Thank you so much for your engagements. It

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makes me continuously think that somebody's listening.

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Those are my Lamb Patreon engagements. Now,

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outside of Patreon, in

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the Lamb Facebook group, Julia

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Y. I think it's two names in one,

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Julia Y. Rachel H. She doesn't

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speak much, but she engages with

26:28

everything, literally everything I put out.

26:31

She likes it, you know, she'll heart it,

26:33

whatever. So even that small

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gesture means a lot to me, Julia.

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Seriously, thank you. Honorable

26:40

mention is Kathleen M.G.

26:43

And now for your comments from the episodes

26:45

last week. So last week, there

26:48

wasn't a lot of comments. So what I

26:50

decided to do was go like

26:52

the past two weeks. So

26:54

let's go back to episode 115, the

26:57

case of Lauren Jo Aquin. The

27:00

poll question that I had out is, did

27:02

you think that he did it? And 66%

27:04

of y'all said, no,

27:06

there was not enough evidence.

27:08

And the rest said, yes,

27:11

evidence proved it.

27:12

This one I'm on the fence about. To

27:15

me, there was not enough evidence, but

27:17

then again, there was enough circumstantial

27:19

evidence, which really doesn't mean anything.

27:22

So I'm on the fence about that one. Then

27:25

the Kai Rance about the mom's suing

27:27

Snapchat because the child died of

27:29

fentanyl poisoning. My poll

27:31

on there was, do you agree with her suing Snapchat?

27:36

And it was 50-50,

27:37

literally half-half.

27:39

Half of y'all said

27:41

yes. And I said, tell me why, but you didn't.

27:44

And the other half of you said no. Then

27:47

another comment, well, two more comments

27:50

on the Kai Rance episode of

27:52

the Colorado Stepmother killing

27:54

her 11-year-old stepson.

27:56

Vicki C said, no excuse,

27:58

but his dad kept...

27:59

dumping his son on the stepmom. She

28:02

married him and he married someone to watch

28:04

his kid. Which was what I was

28:06

saying in the episode, which is why

28:09

does she have the kid in the first place? Why wasn't

28:11

he with his mother?

28:13

Like

28:14

that's what I couldn't get

28:16

that either, Vicki. And then Livin

28:18

Masterpiece said, the dad

28:20

should have paid closer attention to the interactions

28:23

between Leticia and Gannon. Not

28:25

to mention, if she didn't want to be responsible

28:27

for the children, marry somebody without

28:29

children. Boom, that's what I'm talking

28:31

about, Livin Masterpiece. I

28:34

completely agree. Why did you

28:36

marry somebody who had a child if

28:38

you didn't want to be around children? And

28:41

yes, the dad should have paid

28:43

closer attention. So I agree with

28:45

you. And then about the chirans,

28:47

about Angela Tran, the college student who

28:49

was stabbed 107 times by

28:51

her stepdad, Vicki C said

28:54

that she thought it was sexual. And

28:56

I think we did say something about that in

28:58

the episode. Like maybe

29:01

he had touched her way back in

29:03

a day or something. I can't really remember,

29:06

but that was actually her stepdad

29:09

and he was crazy.

29:10

And now as the episode 116,

29:13

the case of Dawson McGee, I

29:17

asked, what did you think about this episode as I

29:19

do for all episodes? And username

29:21

Vores said, I love

29:24

Kai's voice and dry humor. Good

29:26

narrator. And this is Christelle

29:28

from Belgium. Thank you, way from

29:30

Belgium. That's so awesome.

29:33

Thank you for listening. I

29:36

know why you said you like my voice. That's so funny

29:39

because I said, if people say something

29:41

stupid, I'm not saying your

29:43

comment on air. Because

29:46

I get comments where I can't stand how

29:48

you put on different

29:50

voices. It's not funny. Okay, then

29:52

don't listen to me. Or I literally

29:55

get comments saying, I don't like your voice.

29:57

I don't like your comment. I

29:59

get it.

29:59

Guess we're in agreement? I don't... Okay.

30:04

But thank you, Christelle.

30:05

Love you all the way from Belgium. And

30:08

then an episode of Kyrants,

30:10

which a Florida mother allegedly planned

30:13

murder with her son. I put out

30:15

a poll asking, do you think the mother

30:17

should be charged? And again, that was

30:19

split 50-50. Some

30:22

people said absolutely and some people said

30:24

absolutely not. It would be nice

30:26

if you left me a comment telling me why you thought

30:28

so or why you didn't think so. But either

30:30

way, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it'll be nice. Just

30:33

you answering the poll is enough for me to.

30:36

And then, so remember, I did

30:38

a Kyrants where the father found

30:41

the body of his daughter dead under the bed and then I

30:43

had to come out quick and do an

30:45

update to that because as I was looking

30:47

for pictures, I found an update.

30:50

So someone said, Alexa

30:52

D said, crazy situation

30:54

with many questions unanswered. I

30:57

agree. My main question

31:00

is how did he get in the house?

31:02

That's my main question because there

31:04

wasn't any break-ins or, well, any

31:07

signs of a break-in or anything like that. They

31:09

said his key was on the floor. Did he drop

31:12

the key? Did somehow, was this

31:14

like

31:15

a key that was so filed down that

31:17

it worked in a similar lock

31:19

or

31:21

she had said that she basically quote,

31:23

knew this guy because she said, oh, it's the, what

31:26

did she say? It's the long-haired guy from

31:28

down to hall. So she was familiar with him.

31:31

So maybe he was like, hey, it's

31:33

me, you know, whatever. What was

31:35

his name again? Jose. I

31:37

can't remember his name. Sorry. I do so

31:39

many cases. I can't remember everybody's

31:42

names, but I think his name was Juan,

31:44

Juan Carlos. That was his name. So

31:46

maybe he said, Hey, it's me, Maria Juan

31:48

Carlos. Open the door. And maybe she's

31:51

like, Oh, it's the neighbor. Let me open the door. But

31:53

you know, we won't know. I guess

31:56

maybe we'll find out if it goes to trial or

31:58

something. Maybe he'll.

32:00

But then maybe not because he said

32:02

he was so wasted. Everybody

32:05

said he was so wasted that day. So maybe he doesn't even remember.

32:08

But that was my main question.

32:10

And then finally, the last

32:13

comment I have was Kai

32:15

Rance, where it was, it

32:18

was originally supposed to be a midweek mini and

32:20

I just put it out where the influencer

32:24

and her mom did a double homicide.

32:26

So to that, Aston T

32:29

said, Hi, I'm a welder.

32:31

An angle grinder is mostly used

32:33

in metalworking. Different wheels can be

32:35

used for different reasons. A cutting

32:38

wheel can be put onto cut metal, which can easily

32:40

cut through flesh. Wow.

32:43

Well, thank you, Aston, for letting

32:45

us know. And this was in response

32:48

to the case where the father killed

32:50

his son. And remember, the grandfather

32:53

was going into the house and he

32:55

was like, I wouldn't go there if I were like, he didn't

32:57

even care.

32:58

You remember? He didn't even care. I

33:00

wouldn't go there if I were you. Oh my God. Some

33:03

people just need to be hit in the face

33:05

with a chair.

33:06

Don't judge me. And

33:09

actually, now that I'm going through the comments,

33:11

I want to do another honorable

33:13

mention because I'm seeing that Vicky

33:16

C seems to comment a lot. So

33:18

thank you for the interaction. I'm

33:21

giving you your own special shout out. Vicky

33:24

C, thank you for your engagement. And

33:26

that's all I have for your comments. I have figured

33:28

that I would start trying to do an episode

33:30

with your comments because Spotify

33:33

gives me a way to

33:35

ask your thoughts. And

33:37

between Spotify and Patreon,

33:40

Patreon, I can comment. I can engage. I

33:42

can have fun. Talk to y'all. The

33:45

Lamb Group, I can have conversations in there,

33:47

the Lamb Facebook Group. But then on

33:49

Spotify, where I get

33:52

my next most engagement, there's

33:55

no way for me to answer y'all. So

33:57

I figured I would do an episode.

33:59

actually respond into your, y'all, this is

34:02

the way I'll get my response out. So,

34:06

if you like this, then keep leaving

34:08

comments and I'll keep making an episode

34:11

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34:13

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34:15

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