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am ready. We're talking about Alvin Mauer.

5:11

Alvin. Matlock was a twenty one year

5:14

old army better. Who. Went missing

5:16

from his cabin outside the city

5:18

of Spokane in nineteen sixty one.

5:21

Rumors. Circulated after he disappeared in,

5:23

the police came to believe that

5:26

he met with sound play. But.

5:28

They had few li. Alvin.

5:31

Edwin Matlock was born on

5:33

January seventeenth, nineteen thirty. Or

5:36

who said he was only twenty one years old when

5:38

he was nice and. They're. Not a

5:40

lot of details about Albums

5:42

Life available on line. We.

5:44

Know that he communicated somewhat

5:46

irregularly with his mother and

5:49

his younger brother Cli. His.

5:51

Family called him bud or buddy.

5:54

In this is. The. Struggle.

5:56

right? With doing some of these cases, the

5:59

go back list. Ada like this

6:01

one does nineteen fifty wind here.

6:03

It. Is a little tougher. With. The

6:06

research in finding newspaper articles especially

6:08

you ought like on someone's early

6:11

life because that would have been

6:13

in the thirties and forward exactly.

6:16

Alvin served in the army, but details

6:18

about a service were not reported in

6:20

any of the source is used for

6:23

this episode. Alvin was living

6:25

alone in a cabin on Browns

6:27

Mountain outside the city of Spokane,

6:29

Washington. Investigators. Believe

6:31

him when missing around March First,

6:34

nineteen Fifty one. Your. Been

6:36

Washington. I think I did

6:38

one time. I believe.

6:41

We. Drove up. Part. Of Mt.

6:43

Hood. Yeah. That's the big now

6:46

in Washington. Think it is by

6:48

could be wrong. My mouth

6:50

to. See as a big Melman there.

6:52

Are. You waiting for need a jump in and

6:55

say. I've already

6:57

said I still. Mt. Hood is

6:59

there. I put myself out there and I you put

7:01

yourself out. Over or

7:03

distraught? Okay, that's a good story

7:05

it is. Alvin

7:08

was last seen alive in the

7:10

city of Spokane before you disappear,

7:12

he spoke to his family and

7:15

them the exact location of his.

7:17

Alvin. Was described as a

7:19

loner and an outdoorsman, so he

7:22

didn't communicate with them daily or

7:24

even weekly. Alvin. When months

7:26

without speaking to his family so

7:28

they didn't realize he was miss.

7:31

It. Was so long as you ever win. Without. Speaking

7:33

to your family, not not your kids and

7:35

wife. But. Your family. Out

7:37

not more than a week or two. Even.

7:40

When you're a grown up. You know college? Have

7:42

to say when I was growing up I was

7:44

with my family so. This

7:46

can hard not to talk to them. No.

7:48

Probably not couple of weeks, maybe?

7:51

Yeah, Although. I did go

7:53

on some bender so I don't remember all

7:55

of yeah. But. As you work

7:57

without talking to your families typically.

8:00

If it's only been a few weeks, the longest.

8:02

So. If you go month, they probably get

8:04

pretty concerned. Oh, a month for sure? Yeah,

8:07

No. Doubt they would be. Extremely

8:09

concerned Man it harder back then

8:11

when I was in south Sir

8:14

was when in have a cellphone

8:16

know. So. It was

8:18

hard for them to to contact me.

8:21

Your. You have like one pay phone in

8:23

the hallway. Yeah and then somebody had to

8:25

pick it up. Know. Who you were

8:27

in income find you. Instead. It

8:29

they go I'll tell me called never hang

8:31

it back on earth are just leave it

8:34

said on the top yes. New.

8:36

You ask me about going

8:38

to Washington. Washington does seem

8:40

like a good place to

8:42

be. If you are a

8:44

loner, if you are an outdoorsman,

8:47

Yeah. I think some of the states like. Colorado.

8:51

Wyoming, Montana. Places like

8:53

that get some more.

8:56

Wilderness. To see some

8:58

and undeveloped areas. So.

9:00

Obviously Spokane. Is

9:03

very developed but I know know he

9:05

was outside of that in the cabin.

9:07

Alvin family discovers he was missing

9:10

on November Twenty second. Nineteen Fifty

9:12

One. Thanksgiving. Day Alvin

9:14

didn't show up for Thanksgiving, Dinner

9:17

with his family is placed. Susanna.

9:19

Talked about your how do you

9:21

know. When. To

9:24

start to get worse. When. For them,

9:26

it was when he didn't show up

9:28

for Thanksgiving dinner. I think they were

9:30

pretty accustomed to not seeing him for

9:33

a long stretches, But when he said

9:35

hey, I'm going to be there for

9:37

Thanksgiving dinner and then doesn't show up.

9:40

Well. That starts to panic meet. Albums

9:42

mother was upset worried so the

9:45

family drove out to his cap

9:47

on Brown Mountains. They found the

9:49

cabin empty and albums vehicle gone.

9:52

Albums. Mother Marie was the one

9:54

who reported him missing. The. Police

9:56

launched an investigation. But.

9:59

There really was. To go on. And

10:01

I'm sure a lot of this had to do with

10:03

the fact that you know he was alone. In.

10:05

Living in this club and I don't know she

10:08

had name. Is. Nineteen Sixty one,

10:10

you know on T Cat this

10:12

week we talked about things being

10:14

caught on a ring doorbell Kim

10:16

right and tests kind of clued

10:18

police and on what it happens.

10:20

You're not going to have that

10:22

here though. you're not. Really?

10:24

Isolated I think. And it sounds like

10:26

that's what he wanted. A. little isolation.

10:29

Rumors. Circulated around town that Alvin

10:32

had packed up and moved to

10:34

Alaska. His. Family wondered why he

10:36

wouldn't tell them is plenty. None.

10:38

Of the sources mentioned any some

10:41

know your conflicts that would have

10:43

made Alvin want to cut off

10:45

contact. With. Her. Clyde.

10:47

Matlock was only twelve years old

10:49

when his older brother disappeared. He.

10:51

Said he believed the explanation that

10:54

Alvin moved to Alaska for years

10:56

because that was what he wanted

10:58

to boot. As more time

11:00

passed the family new and started

11:03

to accept that Alvin wasn't in

11:05

Alaska. And I do see how

11:07

that would have to said in that something.

11:10

Could you say well you know

11:12

he wonder fresh start somewhere else

11:14

and for whatever reason he didn't

11:16

tell. Us. Yeah. I did

11:18

see where you know you could

11:21

think that but eventually. He.

11:23

Gonna start to question why

11:25

he's not contacted us It

11:27

all away as the road

11:29

why as he visited. Hey,

11:32

I've got. Hey. I'm settled in

11:34

a one to give you my new

11:36

address, may a phone number or something,

11:38

or just to let you know that

11:40

I'm doing okay. Go to the

11:42

wasn't like. They. Disliked each over.

11:45

Another. Rumor was that Alvin had

11:47

been having an affair with a married

11:50

woman. He. Got into a fight

11:52

with her husband when he taught them

11:54

together. allegedly it was the one. Who.

11:56

Shot Alvin during the fight. You.

11:59

know what could happen when you go missing,

12:02

a lot of rumors can happen. If nobody

12:04

knows what really happened, you're gonna

12:06

have all these rumors floating around. Well, if

12:08

there's no evidence, then, you

12:10

know, people start to talk,

12:12

as people do. There might

12:15

be some, you know, over the

12:17

fence gossip, and, you know, people trying to

12:19

play a little bit of amateur detective. What

12:21

do you think happened to Alvin? Well, I

12:23

think he was having an affair, and this

12:26

lady shot him. I think he

12:28

went off to Alaska. Yeah, I think you're gonna have

12:30

a lot of that. Sometimes in these rumors, you have

12:32

a little bit of truth, you know? Maybe. But

12:34

not. You may not even know. Exactly. It's

12:37

the truth. The police and

12:39

Alvin's family believed that he met

12:41

with foul play, but there was

12:43

no evidence to prove this or

12:46

to implicate any suspects. So

12:49

Alvin's case went cold, and

12:51

decades passed with no new leads.

12:53

In 2016, Alvin's brother Clyde, who

12:57

was 77 at this

12:59

point, and his wife Patricia

13:01

spoke with the Spokesman Review,

13:03

a local paper for

13:06

Spokane. Clyde and Patricia

13:08

attended the first-ever missing person

13:10

event, hosted by the Spokane

13:12

County Medical Examiner's Office. People

13:14

who attended the event were

13:17

able to file police reports, submit

13:20

DNA and dental records, and provide

13:22

photos of their missing loved ones.

13:25

Clyde Matlock provided his DNA, in

13:28

case Alvin's remains are found

13:31

one day. His DNA is

13:33

currently entered into the National

13:35

Missing and Unidentified Persons System

13:38

database, or NAMUS, which

13:40

didn't exist when Alvin went missing.

13:43

And I do think this is a

13:45

big problem, Gibbs, when it comes to

13:47

some of these older missing persons cases.

13:50

The databases didn't exist.

13:53

DNA didn't exist. Let's just throw

13:55

that out there. And so, by

13:58

the time... some

14:00

of that technology did come about,

14:03

in some of these cases, the missing

14:06

person's family or a

14:08

lot of their family was deceased. But

14:10

good for Clyde, thinking ahead. Oh,

14:12

absolutely. And what a great event to

14:15

get people out and to give

14:18

them the opportunity to provide

14:21

information that could potentially

14:23

solve a missing person's case. Clyde

14:26

told the spokesman in review, he just

14:29

wanted to find out what happened to

14:31

Alvin. Patricia spoke on the

14:33

rumor that Alvin was shot by his

14:36

former lover saying the story was he

14:38

was crying for help and they

14:40

just let him die. Clyde

14:42

and Patricia started their own investigation

14:45

to try to find potential witnesses.

14:48

She believes someone knows what happened

14:50

to Alvin and that they've kept

14:52

it a secret for decades. So

14:55

I'm getting a little bit of season

14:58

three of True Detective vibes here. Yeah.

15:00

Did you watch that season? No,

15:02

I didn't see that one. I thought

15:05

it was a really good one. They spanned a

15:07

long period of time. So you have

15:09

two detectives who are probably in their early

15:12

30s and then at some point

15:14

they're in their like 80s. Oh,

15:16

wow. And they're still investigating

15:19

this crime. It's really good. You

15:21

should definitely watch it. I want to catch

15:23

the new one too. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't started that

15:26

one yet. A few years later

15:28

in 2019, the Spokesman

15:30

Review published an article on

15:33

a notorious local crime family

15:35

that may be connected to

15:37

Alvin's disappearance. The Klein family

15:40

who were, according to the Spokesman Review,

15:42

the scourge of police from the 1930s

15:44

to the 1960s. It's

15:48

a long run. Of scourgeness.

15:51

I don't think that's a word, but you're going

15:53

to be scurgy. That's a long

15:55

run. In 2019, Lila Peterson, the descendant...

16:00

of the Clines did an interview

16:02

with the Spokesman Review about her

16:04

childhood. Lila said that she

16:06

thought she had a fairly normal childhood,

16:08

but she learned the truth about her

16:10

family as an adult. What, that they

16:13

committed hundreds of thefts? Yeah,

16:16

it was said that the family committed hundreds

16:18

of thefts around the region during that

16:21

time frame that I mentioned, and I

16:23

do think that would be a little

16:26

strange, right? As a child, do

16:28

you know everything that your

16:31

parents, your uncles, your extended

16:33

family is into? Probably

16:35

not. I'm sure they were shielded from

16:37

it somewhat. And even if you did,

16:39

did you know it was not normal?

16:41

Yes. Did you just

16:44

think everybody did that? Yeah. Or

16:46

did you just know that you weren't hurting for

16:48

money and that, you know, life was

16:50

good. Life was pretty good. Her

16:52

mother, Jesse Cline, and her father,

16:55

Robert Peterson, both

16:57

had criminal records. Jesse Cline

16:59

died in a nursing home in February 2014.

17:02

She suffered

17:04

a stroke and was never able to live

17:06

on her own again. Around this

17:08

time, Lila started to question some

17:11

of the lies she was told

17:13

during her childhood, and she had

17:15

questions about two murder cases. Surely

17:19

before her mother died, she spoke to

17:21

her uncle, Jay Cline, about her family's

17:23

past. She knew her mother wouldn't

17:25

tell her the truth. Jay Cline died

17:27

in 2017 at the age of 90. But Lily spoke

17:33

with Jay before his death and his

17:35

wife, Phyllis. She wanted to know

17:37

if her mother ever said anything

17:39

about the murder of her ex-husband

17:42

and Lila's stepfather, Don

17:44

Folkman. She also wanted

17:46

to know if her mother and

17:48

father were involved or responsible for

17:50

the disappearance of Alvin

17:52

Matlock, one of Jesse's

17:55

former lovers. Phyllis

17:57

Cline told her yes, Jesse was

17:59

involved. involved in both cases.

18:01

Wow. Now we're getting into

18:03

some interesting stories. Yeah,

18:06

I'm trying to imagine what it would

18:08

be like to sit down with a

18:10

family member, start

18:12

asking some questions, and

18:15

then all of a sudden be told that your

18:17

mother was involved in the death

18:19

of two men. One

18:21

of whom was your stepfather. The

18:25

spokesman review described the Klein

18:27

family as a multi-generational Spokane

18:29

criminal enterprise that is among

18:32

the most notorious in the

18:34

region's history. That's some

18:36

title. Yeah, obviously they were

18:38

not known for doing

18:41

good deeds. So I'm

18:43

kind of picturing a Spokane

18:45

version maybe of like the

18:47

Genovese crime

18:50

family. Well, criminal

18:52

enterprise and most

18:54

notorious. There you go. Their

18:57

known crimes included petty theft and

18:59

major heist, but it's possible they

19:01

committed murders as well, although

19:03

they were not convicted of killing

19:06

anyone. But that doesn't mean a

19:08

whole lot. You know, if you think about

19:10

some of the more notorious

19:13

crime bosses or families

19:15

throughout history, I mean,

19:17

they got a capone on tax evasion.

19:19

Oh, they did. I mean, people did

19:21

that guy kill or have or

19:24

order to kill. Yeah. Jesse

19:26

Klein was the daughter of Lee and

19:29

Leon Klein. She had six older siblings

19:31

and their parents taught them how to

19:33

steal from a young age. Jesse

19:36

grew up in the 1930s when

19:38

most Americans were experiencing severe

19:40

financial troubles because of the

19:43

Great Depression. Her brother,

19:45

Jay Klein, recalled stealing when he was

19:47

a toddler. Hey, you go into

19:49

that store and put

19:52

some stuff down the front of

19:54

your onesie. Yeah. And if

19:56

they catch you, you just say, I'm a

19:58

toddler. Okay. It kind of reminds me of. of the

20:01

scene from the show Animal Kingdom, when

20:03

they had Pope go, you know, Pope and his

20:05

sister. I never watched it. You kept telling me

20:07

to watch it, and I've never seen it. Oh,

20:09

that's a great show. That's a great series. But

20:12

that kind of reminds me of that. The family

20:14

moved between Spokane and Western

20:16

Montana often, and they

20:19

spent a lot of time camping. They made

20:21

money from selling scrap metal, as

20:23

well as stealing fruit, vegetables, and

20:25

wool from farmers to sell at

20:28

markets. And there's a great

20:30

markup there, Gibbs, when you

20:32

didn't grow it, you didn't build

20:34

it, you're selling something based

20:37

off of someone else's hard work,

20:39

the margin is very, very high.

20:41

Oh yeah, you can do okay

20:44

with that. Jessie actually wrote

20:46

about how her family was one shot

20:48

at when they were stealing produce. None

20:51

of them were shot, but they found bullet

20:53

holes in the bumper of their car. Lila

20:55

told the spokesman review, that's the

20:57

only thing I've ever read or

20:59

ever seen from my mother's perspective

21:01

about her childhood. She didn't write

21:03

much down. She probably had to

21:05

hide things her entire life and

21:07

was just very careful. According

21:10

to the spokesman review, Leon

21:12

Klein wanted to give her children gifts

21:15

for their birthdays and Christmas, but she

21:17

had to steal them because she couldn't

21:19

afford to buy them. She

21:21

also did this for her grandchildren.

21:24

In 1946, two years after

21:26

joining the Merchant Marines, Jay Klein

21:28

and an accomplice were arrested in

21:31

Idaho for stealing a car in $8,000 worth

21:33

of goods in

21:35

a series of burglaries. They

21:37

confessed to stripping the car of its

21:40

parts, chopping it up with an ax

21:42

and dumping the pieces in the Spokane

21:44

River. Deputies found metal splinters

21:46

from the stolen car strewn

21:49

around the farm where they were arrested.

21:51

They used a large powerful magnet to

21:53

recover pieces of the car from the

21:55

river. Well, they definitely had this

21:58

criminal enterprise for sure. I'm thinking

22:00

about $8,000 worth of goods in 1946. That's

22:06

a haul. It definitely was a haul. What

22:08

do you think that would be worth today? Beep

22:10

beep beep boop boop. Yeah, it's like $120,000. Let's

22:13

go with it. Law

22:16

enforcement searched the family farm

22:18

and found stolen tires, fishing

22:20

gear, tools, and car

22:22

parts from years of robberies. So

22:25

it didn't sound like they were all that

22:27

particular about what they stole.

22:29

Oh, I think anything they can get their

22:31

hands on, they figure a way to make money on it eventually.

22:34

Tires, fishing gear, Kootunny

22:37

County Deputy Sheriff Arthur Aikman told

22:39

the spokesman review in 1946, they

22:43

had so much stuff cashed in the

22:45

brush of the Idaho farm, they

22:48

have forgotten where part of it is. You

22:51

know, if you're stealing that much all

22:53

the time, I get it. You know, you're hiding

22:55

it here, hiding it there. And

22:57

then you're like, forgot that you hit a bunch

22:59

of stuff over here. Jay Klein

23:01

was sent to state prison in August

23:03

of that year. Around that

23:06

time, Leon Klein was charged

23:08

with receiving over $15,000 worth of stolen

23:10

goods from

23:12

her brother. Well, that's a serious

23:15

charge. Yeah, absolutely. By

23:17

your calculation, that

23:20

would be what, a couple of

23:23

hundred thousand dollars. Yeah. Now

23:25

we still don't know if that's right, but let's go with it. Jay

23:28

was arrested again in Coeur

23:30

d'Alene, Idaho in 1949 for burglary. He

23:34

ran from the police on foot after

23:36

he abandoned the stolen vehicle and only

23:38

stopped once he was shot at. You

23:41

know, my thought is much easier to run

23:43

away from the police in 1949. I

23:46

believe so. No air support. I

23:49

mean, you're just trying to outrun

23:51

the radio. Well,

23:53

and even the radio was just going to be

23:56

local, right? It's not, I don't know how

23:58

far it was going to go. quickly

24:00

could they be putting out

24:02

an APB that would, you

24:04

know, encompass a large area. Jay

24:07

had stolen three safes from a

24:09

Safeway in Spokane, but he couldn't

24:11

crack them open. And that's

24:13

always a problem. You hear that

24:16

in some of these cases where, you

24:18

know, people run their

24:20

vehicle into like a convenience store

24:23

and then they chain up the ATM and they

24:25

drag it off. Yeah. Have you ever seen that?

24:27

Oh yeah. Yeah. It's actually a big

24:30

thing again now. Is it? Yeah. But

24:33

then sometimes they can't get them open.

24:36

It was a great scene in

24:38

Breaking Bad where

24:40

somebody stole an ATM and

24:42

they had it propped up. They couldn't get it

24:44

open. It fell over and killed him. But yeah.

24:47

Oh yeah. I've seen that. If you haven't seen it,

24:49

you know, yeah, I don't care because that shows old.

24:51

You should have seen it by now. Jay's

24:54

father, his brothers, Lee Jr.

24:56

and Leonard and Robert Peterson,

24:58

Lila's father were arrested in

25:00

Montana in connection with the

25:02

safe burglaries. The police caught

25:05

them in dumping a stolen car in

25:07

a river and covering it with tree

25:09

branches. In a December 1949 article,

25:12

the Spokane Chronicle dubbed the family,

25:15

the Kline gang. The Kline gang.

25:19

Once you get that moniker

25:21

with the word gang after

25:23

your name, you know, you've been up

25:26

to some shady stuff for some period

25:28

of time. Might be a little sketchy. The

25:30

Klines and several accomplices were also believed

25:32

to be part of a crime wave

25:35

that lasted from September 1st to December

25:37

31st, 1949. 37

25:41

people were arrested for burglary,

25:43

larceny and forgery in Spokane.

25:46

Jay served two years in prison

25:48

for participating in this crime spree.

25:51

In February, 1955, the

25:53

Spokane police impounded Jay's

25:55

stolen Buick, Which he

25:57

outfitted with a stolen engine. You

26:00

want his vehicle back? but he had been on

26:02

the run for about a week. And. The

26:04

police had a warrant out for his arrest. He.

26:07

Was able to steal the car

26:09

from the police impound lot. You.

26:11

Hear some balls? The go on to

26:13

the police impound lot and take his

26:15

car back. Yeah. The other thoughts

26:18

have friends or my mind was many

26:20

really wanted this car. Yeah he couldn't

26:22

just saw him another car that wasn't

26:24

in the police impound lot. but yeah

26:26

this is his Buicks. it's is got

26:29

a special stolen engine and ah yes

26:31

I want that car backed. By.

26:33

March nineteen to differ. Jay.

26:36

Was the Spokane Police Departments

26:38

most wanted? man? The. Police

26:40

put out a notice to the public

26:42

with his descriptions, but he was arrested

26:44

until August. I. Guess when you still

26:46

from the police you become. Most.

26:48

Wanted. To pry.

26:51

Two places you don't steal from. The.

26:53

Police. And the mob how

26:55

I was thinking yes, don't still from

26:57

the mumps The police found him and

26:59

Clark Fourth, Idaho. He. Committed the

27:02

greatest series of Sas in

27:04

the city's history. For. The

27:06

Spokane Chronicle Investigative are staking out

27:09

his parents' home. And

27:11

spotted leads and Leone

27:13

Klein leaving Spokane ballots

27:15

in driving towards Idaho

27:17

towing a mobile. That

27:22

are you aware? If

27:24

is not tied down or even have a tie down there

27:26

going to find a way to take it. It's

27:28

like everything they're doing involves

27:31

stealing something. or taking something

27:33

stolen some more. Law.

27:35

Enforcement and Clark for raided

27:37

the family farm and arrested

27:39

Jane, his brother Raul, without

27:41

incident, they had dozens of

27:43

stolen. On. The property. I'll

27:46

do these people and anything. Literally.

27:48

Everything they had the had

27:51

taken from someone else. The.

27:53

police searched three locations in

27:56

eastern washington in idaho they

27:58

found tv said a

28:00

jeep, fences, car

28:03

parts, law enforcement owned

28:05

saddles, sewing machines, and

28:08

even a bulldozer. Who

28:10

steals fences? Well, you know what?

28:12

They're probably pretty expensive back then. Probably worth a lot

28:15

of money. I mean, they're expensive today. They

28:17

also found the detective's radio, which

28:19

is how Jay was able to

28:22

evade arrest for months. One

28:24

of the search locations was Bob

28:26

Peterson's 60 acre ranch.

28:29

Peterson was convicted of possessing

28:31

stolen property. He also

28:33

confessed to stealing six cars

28:36

and 40 hay bales from a farmer's

28:38

field. One detective told

28:40

the Spokane Chronicle that the

28:42

arrests could help resolve burglaries

28:45

all the way to Wyoming.

28:47

People went to the police each day

28:49

with questions about their stolen items that

28:52

they thought the Clines had taken. This

28:54

is a multi state crime

28:57

spree. It's a big enterprise. Yeah,

29:00

it really is. Jay Cline admitted to

29:02

stealing 21 cars, six

29:05

safes, three house trailers,

29:07

and many smaller items.

29:09

He blamed the lack of supervision

29:12

and his choice of friends, saying in

29:14

court, when I get out this time,

29:17

I'm going to associate with the right

29:19

kind of friends like Detective

29:21

Al Stoser, for one. This

29:24

time when I get out, I'm going

29:26

to change. So my BS

29:28

meter just went through the roof. Oh yeah. I'm

29:31

going to associate with the right kind

29:33

of friends like a detective, like

29:36

this detective wants to be friends with you.

29:38

Exactly. Jay pleaded guilty and

29:40

was sent back to prison. He

29:42

served seven and a half years and

29:45

got married soon after he was released.

29:47

He and his wife, Phyllis, didn't talk

29:49

about his time in prison and he

29:52

continued spending time with his troublesome family

29:54

members. Phyllis told the spokesman

29:56

review, Jay was always so good to me

29:58

and to the kids. that it was

30:01

just one of those things that was part of

30:03

our life. Oh, dad got caught

30:05

again, boys and girls. We're seeing him in

30:07

about seven years. Which doesn't seem

30:09

like a lot for one of the greatest

30:11

crime sprees in the history of that part

30:13

of the country. It really does seem pretty

30:15

minimal. Not to mention the fact that

30:17

he'd already done time before, just a

30:20

couple of years, and he

30:22

continued stealing. For example, he once stole

30:24

a Ford Thunderbird and put the engine

30:26

into her car so she could drive

30:28

to Beauty City. He stole

30:31

cars, tools, and building materials

30:33

for his friend. I

30:36

never thought about that, but it is kind of smart,

30:38

I guess, to steal a

30:40

car, take the engine out, part

30:43

the car, and then put the

30:45

engine, which I'm sure was better

30:47

than whatever engine she had in her car,

30:50

into that, and then, bam, you got

30:52

a better car. That's right. Not

30:54

telling anybody to do that, obviously. A

30:56

little harder today to do it, but yeah.

30:59

Yeah, a little more computerized, right, today.

31:02

Jesse Klein was not implicated in

31:04

the series of burglaries, but Lila

31:06

believes her mother was arrested for

31:08

shoplifting around this time. Lila's

31:11

father, Bob Peterson, got out of prison

31:13

in 1959 after

31:15

serving four and a half years. The

31:18

family's criminal records are so well documented

31:21

because Leon Klein

31:23

kept the newspaper clippings that

31:25

detailed their arrests and sentencing

31:28

hearings. Most people have

31:30

pictures of family camping trips

31:32

and Disney

31:34

World, the Grand Canyon. Yeah,

31:37

birthdays, holidays, notebooks, graduations, all

31:40

that. No, they had a

31:42

scrapbook full of their crimes,

31:45

arrests, sentences. Jesse's

31:48

relationship with her husband Bob was described as

31:51

on again, off again. They got married in

31:53

1948 when Jesse was 18 years old. They

31:58

filed for divorce in 1955. and

32:00

the divorce was granted in 1957. Lila was born in 1958 when her

32:02

father was still

32:07

in prison. That same year the

32:10

couple filed for a second marriage

32:12

license. Okay we made a mistake we

32:15

were only married for a couple of years we got

32:18

a little hasty we decided the divorce we're

32:20

giving it a second shot. It

32:22

happens. Lila grew up on

32:24

her father's ranch on Brown Mountain south

32:27

of Spokane this is the

32:29

same area where Alvin Matlock was

32:31

living before he disappeared. Lila

32:33

said that her father worked the land

32:35

drove a truck for a living and

32:38

pursued a music career on the

32:40

side. She never knew he was

32:42

a criminal and that her childhood home once

32:45

housed thousands of dollars worth of

32:48

stolen goods. Her mother was

32:50

equally as secretive as her father.

32:52

She never attended any large gatherings

32:54

with her extended family. Lila

32:57

told the spokesman review that she

32:59

was happily oblivious to her family's

33:01

past. Her sister Liz was born in

33:03

1960 and the

33:06

family moved away from Brown Mountain. Jesse

33:08

and Bob divorced a second time

33:10

around 1965. Lila

33:13

doesn't know why they chose to end the

33:15

marriage. Jesse married a man

33:17

named Don Folkman around 1966. He

33:21

had two sons from a previous marriage

33:23

named Spike and Mike. They kind of

33:25

rhyme. Yeah they do rhyme. Yeah

33:27

Spike and Mike. That's almost what you would

33:29

name like a your son

33:32

Anna maybe a dog. Yeah yeah

33:34

Spike is kind of a

33:36

strange name really if you think about it. Don't

33:39

hear very often. Dogs? Yeah. You

33:41

don't hear a lot of kids

33:43

named Spike. Not for their real

33:45

name. No nickname.

33:48

Don worked in Spokane Washington but

33:51

soon purchased a business called Emerald

33:53

Cleaners in Wallace Idaho and moved

33:56

the family to Osburn Idaho to

33:58

be closer to work. work. Within

34:01

a couple of years, they moved to Wallace.

34:03

As a teenager, Lila stopped going

34:05

places with her mom and sister

34:07

because she was angry about how

34:09

often they stole things and she

34:11

didn't want to be involved in

34:13

their petty crimes. She recalled, she

34:16

thought it was a great sport. She

34:18

used to take us down to the

34:20

little drug store or something and in

34:22

essence was training us to get a

34:24

five finger discount. I realized what she

34:26

was doing wasn't right and I just

34:28

wouldn't go with them anymore. Isn't

34:31

that funny you know

34:33

mom training you to shoplift?

34:36

And the daughter is

34:38

the one realizing that it's wrong.

34:41

The mom's totally fine with

34:43

it. Lila said she started to

34:45

become more independent which caused her mom

34:47

and stepdad to stop paying attention to

34:50

her. Her parents moved to Hayden, Idaho

34:52

during her senior year of high school

34:54

but Lila lived with a friend. A

34:57

few years after she graduated high school,

35:00

she noticed that Jesse and

35:02

Don's relationship was deteriorating. Then

35:04

on August 7th, 1980, her sister

35:06

called her in the middle of the

35:08

night and told her she had to

35:10

go to Don's business as soon as

35:12

possible because something terrible had happened. Don

35:15

had been shot twice in the back

35:17

of the head while he was sleeping

35:20

in the apartment above his store in

35:22

Kellogg, Idaho. Jesse was home

35:24

at the time and she ran to

35:26

the police station when she discovered her

35:28

husband's body. She claimed a burglar

35:30

broke in while she was in the

35:32

bathroom. This story seemed

35:35

unbelievable and there was talk

35:37

that Don was having an affair and that

35:39

he and Jesse were about to get a

35:41

divorce. Jesse received 1.4 million

35:44

dollars from Don's estate and life

35:46

insurance policy. Back in 1980. That

35:49

is a boatload of money. It

35:51

is. I mean if you've got

35:53

life insurance today of over a

35:55

million dollars, that's a good

35:58

policy. It is. Depending on how much much

36:00

you make, but back then

36:02

that is a boatload. Don's

36:04

son Spike filed a wrongful death

36:06

suit against Jesse because he believes

36:08

she killed his father. Spike

36:10

won the lawsuit, but the spokesman

36:12

review didn't provide details of how

36:14

much money he received. So

36:17

that's pretty interesting that in

36:19

civil court they believed him. Yes, but

36:21

you know, she wasn't charged, even

36:24

though it didn't sound as though the police really

36:27

believed her story, I'm assuming

36:30

they just thought they didn't have enough to

36:32

really charge her. Court

36:34

documents seem to confirm the rumors

36:36

about Don's death. Don moved

36:38

out to live with his mistress for periods

36:41

of time. At the time of

36:43

his death, he was deciding if he was

36:45

going to move in with her permanently. Okay,

36:48

you could understand why maybe

36:50

that wouldn't make Jesse very

36:52

happy. No, because that means she'll

36:54

probably be cut off from all

36:56

that money. And you know who you don't

36:58

want to make unhappy? Somebody from

37:00

the Klein family. Somebody from

37:02

this notorious Klein family gang.

37:04

Yeah. Who has, you know,

37:07

all these brothers and sisters and uncles

37:09

who seemingly are willing

37:11

to do just about anything. Really,

37:15

anything. A scientist determined

37:17

that the bullet fragments found at

37:19

the crime scene match the shells

37:21

in the drawer under Jesse and

37:23

Don's bed. One of their guns

37:25

was missing from the house when Don was killed. In

37:28

her statement, Jesse said Don gave her

37:30

the gun as a present and

37:32

that she had fired a test shot earlier

37:34

in the day. Investigators seem to

37:36

believe her story, even when she told them

37:38

the gun went missing on the day of

37:41

the murder. I don't know if that would fly

37:43

today. I don't think it should

37:45

have flown back then either. I'm trying

37:47

to wrap my head around this test

37:49

shot that was fired earlier

37:51

in the day. Was this

37:53

fired outside or inside?

37:56

Because the bullet fragments

37:58

were found at the crime scene. So

38:00

let's do a test shot while we're in this apartment

38:03

above my store. Yeah,

38:05

that's that I wasn't sure about that. I'm sure

38:07

it was probably done outside, but then I don't

38:09

know how that really factors in.

38:12

Additionally, the court found that a burglar

38:14

shooting dock was too improbable to be

38:17

true per the spokesman review.

38:20

The shooter would have had to enter

38:22

the apartment through a high level window,

38:24

not disturb any furniture or other

38:26

items and get into the bedroom

38:29

without Jesse seeing or hearing. Then

38:32

leave without stealing anything

38:34

besides some, but not

38:36

all of the money in Don's wallet.

38:39

Okay, so when we talk about the

38:41

court finding this

38:43

improbable, it does sound improbable.

38:47

I mean, just take stealing some

38:49

of the money out of a man's

38:51

wallet after you've shot him. If

38:54

you've gone to the links of

38:56

shooting a man dead and

38:59

then you open up his wallet, why

39:01

would you just take some? You've

39:03

already committed the cardinal sin.

39:06

You might as well just take all the money and go.

39:08

Fair it out. Jesse was never

39:10

arrested or convicted of Don's murder

39:13

in criminal court. After

39:15

the lawsuit, Jesse married a

39:17

man named Tom Lane, who was described

39:19

as a family friend with a criminal

39:21

record. I think you had to

39:23

have a criminal record to be

39:25

a family friend of the clients.

39:28

I think that was a prerequisite. Yeah, I don't

39:30

think you could have been anything but that. You

39:32

can't have been on the straight and narrow. Tom

39:35

died in February 1982, a year

39:37

after getting married to Jesse. It

39:40

was determined that he died of

39:42

natural causes. I don't know. That

39:45

might be one that would

39:47

have been worth looking into. I don't know

39:49

if they ever did. Lila

39:51

was no longer on speaking terms

39:54

with her mother at this point,

39:56

but she continued visiting her father,

39:58

Bob Peterson, until he... died in

40:01

1986. In the early 2000s,

40:03

her sister Liz called her and

40:06

told her information that changed her

40:08

whole view of her childhood.

40:10

Robert Peterson was not Lila's

40:13

father. Don Folkman molested

40:16

Liz when she was a young girl

40:19

and finally their mother, Jesse,

40:21

killed Don. And Liz

40:23

helped her do it. That's a

40:25

lot of disturbing news. Yeah, well,

40:27

when you say it's news that changes

40:30

the whole view of your childhood,

40:33

that type of news would. Lila

40:35

tried to ignore everything Liz told

40:37

her and Liz died within a

40:40

year of making her confession. She

40:42

passed away from complications of alcoholism.

40:45

Lila thought that the sexual

40:47

abuse caused Liz to start drinking at

40:49

a young age. Lila went through difficult

40:51

times over the next decade. At one

40:53

point, she was homeless and living in

40:55

a tent in a friend's backyard, but

40:57

she saved up enough to rent a

40:59

house in Spokane. In 2012, a

41:03

woman named Patricia Matlock showed up to

41:05

her address. She said she

41:08

was looking for Bob or Jesse

41:10

Peterson. She explained that

41:12

her brother, Alvin Buddy Matlock,

41:14

went missing back in 1951

41:17

and that Bob or Jesse were the

41:19

last ones to see him alive. Patricia

41:21

explained how there was speculation, that

41:24

Jesse was having an affair with

41:26

Alvin and that Jesse shot

41:28

Alvin when he got into an

41:30

argument with Bob. In the

41:32

days after Alvin went missing, Bob

41:35

Peterson was reportedly seen covered in

41:37

bruises. He was the one

41:39

who told Marie Matlock, Alvin's

41:42

mother, that Alvin moved to Alaska.

41:44

So we're finally coming full circle here with this

41:47

tie-in. Yeah, it took us a little

41:49

while to get back around.

41:52

You know, there were these rumors

41:54

that Alvin was having an affair

41:57

and that the

41:59

woman's husband, found out. Well

42:02

Patricia is saying that

42:05

that speculation was that he was

42:07

having an affair with Jesse and

42:09

Bob was the jealous

42:12

husband and Jesse shot Alvin

42:14

when he was in an argument with Bob. Patricia

42:17

told Lila that she and her

42:19

husband Clyde had been investigating Alvin's

42:22

disappearance since 2009. Patricia

42:25

said that everyone knows who

42:27

killed Alvin and it was

42:29

just a matter of time until his body was

42:31

found. Patricia believes the

42:33

Petersons buried Alvin in his car

42:35

with help from a friend who

42:37

owned a tractor. Well if you

42:40

think about it it sounds like they probably

42:42

had everything they needed. They had stolen

42:44

a bulldozer. Oh say if they didn't have it then

42:46

then they would just go steal it. Yeah just take

42:48

what they need. According to Patricia

42:51

she and Clyde went to talk to

42:53

Jesse after Lila gave them her address

42:55

but they were too nervous to ask

42:57

her about Alvin. Jesse talked

42:59

about her disputes with her ex-husband

43:01

Don. When Lila talked to her uncle

43:04

Jake Klein in early 2014 he said Bob and Jesse

43:09

burned Alvin's body in their furnace

43:11

at their home on Brown Mountain.

43:13

He also told her that Liz allegedly

43:16

dumped the gun used to kill

43:18

Don into a paint bucket and

43:20

threw it into the Coeur d'Alene

43:23

River. Jesse told him about the

43:25

murder because she was

43:27

concerned about testing positive for

43:29

gunshot residue. According to

43:31

the spokesman review in early

43:34

2019 the police in Kellogg,

43:36

Idaho told the Shoshone News

43:39

Press that they determined Jesse

43:41

killed Don Folkman. No

43:43

surprise there. No I mean the story

43:46

was so unbelievable.

43:48

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be

43:51

any hard evidence that would implicate

43:53

Jesse or Bob Peterson and Alvin's

43:55

disappearance and presumed murder but you'd

43:58

have to say Gibbs they make... pretty

44:00

good potential suspect. I think they

44:03

make really good suspects. I

44:05

think if Alvin

44:08

and Jesse were really having

44:10

an affair, because there was this

44:12

rumor that Alvin was having an

44:14

affair with a married woman. If

44:16

it really was Jesse, then I

44:18

think it's likely very

44:20

probable that Jesse

44:24

and most likely Bob were

44:26

responsible for Alvin's death. And

44:29

I'm sure there were some other family

44:31

members who probably were involved, helped bury,

44:34

helped burn, helped clean it up. Right.

44:36

Who knows? So hide it. Alvin

44:38

would be 93 years old if

44:40

he was still alive today. His

44:43

disappearance is the oldest missing

44:45

persons case in Spokane. In

44:48

2013, police representatives told

44:50

the news outlet KHQ

44:52

that missing persons cases

44:54

remain open until the body

44:57

is found or the missing person

44:59

is found alive. If the person

45:01

is not found within a year, the

45:03

police continue to follow up on the

45:05

case every three months, unless they receive

45:07

new evidence. If you

45:09

have any information about the disappearance

45:12

of Alvin Madlock, you can call

45:14

the Spokane County Sheriff's Office at

45:16

509 477-2240. So

45:22

I thought this was a very

45:24

interesting case. You know, you have

45:26

this Klein family. A gang

45:29

really committing crimes in

45:32

multiple states. You

45:34

have this guy, Alvin Madlock, who

45:36

goes missing. His family is

45:38

told that he's moved to Alaska.

45:41

Yeah. Well, many years

45:43

later, it starts to

45:45

come out that Jesse

45:47

and Bob Peterson were maybe

45:50

the last people to see

45:52

Alvin alive. If Bob

45:55

was the one who told the

45:57

Madlock family that Alvin went to

45:59

Alaska. I think that's

46:01

pretty damning if Jesse

46:04

was the woman that Alvin was

46:06

having the affair with I

46:08

think that's pretty damning when you

46:11

think about all the rumors and

46:13

Speculations that there was this affair

46:15

the husband got mad Alvin

46:18

died as a result There's a lot

46:21

of smoke there There's a whole lot of smoke and

46:23

if both of those things are true it just you know compounds

46:28

things very interesting Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

46:30

I mean, I think the one thing

46:33

that is certain to me is

46:35

that Alvin Matlock never went to

46:37

Alaska No, and

46:40

I think his family knew that he

46:42

probably wasn't going to miss You

46:44

know Thanksgiving dinner if he could help it

46:47

and he wasn't gonna go to Alaska

46:49

and then never Contact his family ever

46:51

again. I think he just got mixed

46:53

up with the wrong woman. Yeah

46:56

I mean, that's what it sounds like. We don't

46:58

know for sure, but that's it for

47:00

our episode on Alvin

47:02

Matlock we had some voicemails Gibbs you

47:04

want to check those out. Let's hear Hi,

47:07

Mike and Gibby. My name is Navea

47:10

Hone and I'm from Wilbur, Nebraska. I

47:13

am listening to your unsolved

47:16

case of the severed feet mystery

47:19

and I

47:21

just wanted to leave a voicemail on

47:23

this specific video because you guys mentioned

47:25

that One of

47:27

the bodies was found in Kitsap

47:30

County in Bremerton, Washington, and I'm

47:32

actually moving there in May So

47:35

thank you guys for making me nervous for

47:37

moving there I Also

47:41

wanted to do a recommended case

47:43

on something that happened in Wilbur,

47:45

Nebraska It is the

47:47

Sydney Loof case and I think

47:49

you guys would find it very

47:51

interesting. There's a lot of crazy

47:54

information But

47:56

if you guys look into that case, I think you guys

47:58

would have a lot of fun doing

48:01

that one on your guys's podcast. It

48:03

is sold. And

48:05

that's all I have to say. I

48:07

enjoy your guys's podcast so much. I've

48:10

been listening to it for about a

48:12

year. And Team Giphy, keep your own

48:14

time ticking. Thanks guys, bye. Well,

48:16

thank you for that. And Team Giphy.

48:19

He never heard that before, have you? That's new,

48:21

but I love it. I do like that. Maybe

48:23

it can become a trend. I love her first

48:25

name. Yeah, I do too. That is very cool.

48:29

Going to Washington. Hey, this case was

48:32

Washington. I don't

48:34

think you have anything to worry about in

48:37

Bremerton. Now,

48:39

that doesn't mean don't keep your head on a swivel,

48:41

but I think you'll be OK. And

48:44

keep an eye out for Sasquatch. That

48:46

may be the only thing. Yeah, he roams up in that

48:48

area. That may be the only thing you have to worry

48:51

about. Hi guys, my name

48:53

is Jude. I've been following you guys for,

48:56

oh god, years and years now. I

48:58

just love you guys. Nobody really has

49:00

the vibe like you guys. It

49:03

just has a lot of dad feelings to it.

49:05

And as someone who lost their dad about 10

49:07

years ago, every time I'm missing

49:09

him a little bit too much, I pop you guys

49:11

on. And it just makes me feel like I have

49:13

a dad around. I don't know how else to explain

49:15

it. You guys are so great. So

49:18

yeah, just keep up the good work and stay

49:21

safe. Keep your own time ticking. And I love you

49:23

guys. Oh, that was such a

49:25

nice voicemail. It was. Sorry for your

49:27

loss. Sorry about

49:29

that. I mean, we're more than

49:32

happy to take on the dad

49:34

moniker. We

49:36

are dads. We enjoy being dads.

49:39

We do. Again, like

49:41

we always say, if there's any little

49:44

way that we help somebody, that's

49:46

pretty cool. When I often,

49:49

people try to sing that song, Hey Jude, to you.

49:51

I bet a lot. Why don't you try it right now? Once

49:54

you hit us with a few bars,

49:56

that's a negative,

49:58

goes right. I

50:01

knew you wasn't one

50:04

of these days. How long have we been

50:06

doing this show? Seven years. It'll

50:08

be seven years. No, it'll be eight years

50:10

this year. You're going to have

50:12

to sing a little song. People

50:15

don't realize that you've

50:17

been called the songbird of your

50:19

generation. That's true. And you're very

50:21

much like Will Ferrell in that

50:24

movie Step Brothers. Or

50:26

I'm like Alfalfa from the,

50:28

yeah, little rascals. It could sound like that

50:30

as well, but people need

50:32

to find out one way or the

50:34

other. Exactly. All right. That is it

50:37

for another episode of True Crime All

50:39

The Time Unsolved. So for Mike, stay

50:41

safe and keep your own time picking.

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