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Diamond Dogs: The Heist for the Millennium Jewels

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Diamond Dogs: The Heist for the Millennium Jewels

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Hello campers, grab your marshmallows and

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gather around the True Crime Campfire.

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We're your camp counselors. I'm Katie. And

0:55

I'm Whitney. And we're here to tell you a true

0:57

story that is way stranger than fiction.

1:00

We're roasting murderers and marshmallows around the True

1:02

Crime Campfire.

1:08

For most of us, it's kind

1:10

of hard to grasp the life of a professional

1:12

criminal. Only a tiny percentage

1:14

of it is turf wars and whacking dudes. Most

1:17

people who make a living from crime live just like

1:19

the rest of us do. They go to the grocery store,

1:22

they take their kids to school, they worry about money

1:24

being tight.

1:25

But unlike most of us, when things get

1:27

really tight, there's always the chance of a

1:29

big dangerous score that will change their

1:32

lives forever.

1:33

That is, if they don't get caught.

1:36

This is Diamond Dogs, the heist for the millennium

1:38

jewels.

1:52

So campers, we're starting this one

1:55

over a billion years ago and a hundred

1:57

miles beneath the surface of the earth in what would one day

1:59

be the world's largest city.

1:59

known as Central Africa. The

2:02

colossal pressures and temperatures that

2:04

far down forced some carbon among

2:06

the liquid rock to bond together in

2:08

a new hard crystalline form,

2:11

aka a diamond.

2:13

Some unfathomable amount of time

2:15

later, an enormous volcanic eruption

2:18

carried the diamond shooting to the surface

2:19

where it cooled

2:21

rapidly along with the rest of the expelled

2:23

rock. And now we

2:25

fast forward a long time to the spring

2:27

of 1990, where the floodplains

2:30

of Oungbooji Mai in the middle of Zaire

2:32

were known as a place to find some of the highest

2:34

quality diamonds on the planet. Thousands

2:38

of prospectors worked the planes from

2:40

multinational corporations down to locals

2:42

hoping to strike it rich. One

2:44

pair of these local guys who made a meager living

2:47

digging for tiny diamonds and dried up riverbeds

2:50

suddenly stopped their work as the sun shone

2:52

down on something bright buried in the

2:54

dry soil. They

2:56

scraped away the dirt, hardly daring

2:58

to breathe as it became clear what they

3:00

just found, an uncut diamond

3:03

almost as big as their hands. There

3:05

was no sign of flaws or cracks. They

3:08

wrapped the huge gemstone in a shirt and

3:11

hurried back into town seeking out

3:13

the offices of De Beers, figuring

3:15

that that massive company would be able to pay them

3:17

the most for this gorgeous thing. De

3:20

Beers bought the diamond for around $700,000, which was A, a hell

3:22

of a lot of money, and B, entirely

3:26

ripping off the guys who'd found the thing. The

3:29

uncut diamond weighed 777 carats.

3:33

It was worth at least a hundred

3:35

times what De Beers paid for it. Pricks.

3:38

Diamond dealers? Unethical?

3:41

Say it ain't so! They

3:43

would never put their own greed over

3:46

humanity.

3:47

Right? Right guys?

3:49

I'm as shocked as you are really. De

3:53

Beers,

3:54

how could you? How could you?

3:57

They then spent three years and several

3:59

million dollars. cutting their new find

4:01

into a 203 carat top

4:04

color flawless pear cut stone

4:06

one of the largest and most perfect

4:08

diamonds ever seen. Mmm

4:10

pretty.

4:12

De Beers kept their mouths shut about their

4:14

new stone. They didn't just collect diamonds

4:16

for funsies they were all about the money,

4:19

monopolizing the diamond trade and hoarding

4:21

up to four billion, yeah that's

4:23

billion with a B, of the gemstones

4:26

in their London headquarters to limit supply

4:28

and keep prices high. Again,

4:30

pricks.

4:33

They wanted to sell a butt pile of diamonds

4:35

and had a long history of successful marketing.

4:38

Diamonds became the standard-issue gemstone

4:40

for engagement rings in the 20th century almost

4:43

entirely because of the De Beers marketing

4:45

department. Makes me love my Sapphire

4:47

even more. And they

4:49

wanted to use their stunning new stone to get as

4:51

much attention as possible to make as many

4:53

people as possible diamond crazy.

4:56

So they would unveil the diamond

4:58

which they had named the Millennium Star at

5:00

the UK's biggest millennium celebration

5:03

at the end of 1999. As

5:05

I'm sure everybody but our very youngest campers

5:07

will remember the millennium was kind of a big

5:09

deal with huge celebrations all over

5:12

the world. In the UK these would

5:14

center on the Millennium Dome essentially

5:16

a huge exhibition center built on the Greenwich

5:19

Peninsula in South London. Looks

5:21

kind of like a UFO. Huge

5:23

shallow dome with big support towers

5:25

sticking out of it. It's genuinely

5:27

massive one of the largest buildings in the world

5:30

and a lesson that architecture on a monumental

5:32

scale can still be kind of boring. Good

5:35

to know right?

5:36

The Millennium

5:37

Star was central to the celebrations

5:40

at the dome and would stay on display once

5:42

the building was open to the public. Just

5:44

before midnight with the Queen watching the orchestral

5:47

performance from the Royal Box.

5:50

Royal Box. Curtains

5:54

fell on the main stage and the dome was

5:56

shrouded in darkness. Then

5:58

as a choir sang. a laser

6:01

shown through the Millennium Star refracting

6:03

into thousands of points of light. Soon

6:06

after, a huge live image of Big Ben

6:08

was projected and the old clock's bells chimed

6:10

in the start of the 21st century

6:13

as basically the whole country exploded with fireworks.

6:16

Millions of people watched on TV, millions

6:19

of people saw De Beers' amazing new

6:21

diamond, and a few of them thought,

6:24

I'm gonna nick that!

6:27

One of those dudes was Ray Bettsen. Ray

6:30

was born in 1961 and grew up

6:32

on Walworth Road in south London, which for

6:34

centuries had been one of the toughest and most

6:36

dangerous parts of the city. His dad

6:39

wasn't around and his mom was sick a lot, so

6:41

he spent a lot of time being passed around family

6:43

and friends. He was a bright kid,

6:45

but he was dyslexic, and the London

6:48

school system of the 60s and 70s tagged

6:50

him as a dumb troublemaker and

6:52

pretty much gave up on him. Generally,

6:55

kids are fully aware when that happens,

6:57

and they tend to act out. I'll

6:59

show you a dumb troublemaker. Ray

7:03

started skipping school with other kids and committing

7:05

low-end crimes like vandalism and shoplifting.

7:08

When he was 14, he was arrested for the

7:10

first time, for theft, and he was well

7:12

on his way to a career as a professional

7:15

criminal, which, depending on

7:17

the crimes, wasn't really that weird of a choice

7:19

in that time and place. I mean, it

7:21

wasn't something your school guidance counselor would

7:23

suggest, but it probably wasn't going to stop

7:25

you from getting invited to parties. Some

7:29

more experienced criminals took Ray under their wings

7:32

and gave him some advice on how to have a successful

7:34

life of crime.

7:36

Never use violence and don't try

7:38

anything too flashy,

7:39

because if you gained any kind of fame, the cops

7:42

wouldn't stop until they had you, and a judge

7:44

would make an example out of you. So stick to

7:46

low-profile crimes that would give you a steady

7:48

stream of income. Ray

7:51

had seen evidence of how dangerous a big

7:53

score could be in 1983, when

7:56

six robbers raided the Brinks Matt warehouse

7:58

close to Heathrow Airport. They'd

8:00

been tipped off about a million pounds worth

8:02

of Spanish pisetas, but then

8:05

happened to cross three tons of gold bars.

8:07

Today, that'd be worth over $200 million. Two

8:12

South London lads who'd been part of the robbery,

8:15

Mickey McAvoy and Bryan Robinson, immediately

8:18

left their tiny apartments and bought huge houses

8:20

in the Kent countryside, paid for with

8:23

cash. They each got a Doberman guard

8:25

dog and named them Brinks

8:28

and Matt.

8:30

Well played,

8:32

my dudes.

8:33

Super cute inside joke. So

8:37

for obvious, obvious reasons,

8:40

it didn't take long for the cops to crack this case.

8:43

Dumb and Dumber were arrested 10 days

8:45

after the robbery. 10 days.

8:47

10 days. That's all I took them. I'm surprised

8:50

it took them that long. Well,

8:54

I assume it took them a few days to get

8:56

the real estate sorted out and then buy the dog.

8:59

But, by 1999, Ray Bettson

9:01

was 38.

9:02

He

9:05

had 18 convictions, all for nonviolent

9:08

crimes, and he'd been in prison twice, 18 months

9:10

each. He had a partner and two young

9:12

kids and made a reasonable middle class income.

9:15

Author Chris Hollington, whose book Diamond Geezers

9:18

was one of our main sources for this story, put

9:20

Ray's income at about the same as a grocery

9:22

store manager. Other than

9:24

Ray's career, they had a normal life.

9:27

Ray did tend to dodge family gatherings though

9:30

because his partner's sister had gone and married

9:32

a police officer, Michael Waring.

9:35

Yes, that'll make for some excruciating

9:37

Sunday dinners, damn.

9:40

He'd made some money via check fraud,

9:42

but by now his main business was smuggling

9:45

cigarettes and alcohol from Europe, avoiding

9:47

the hefty British taxes. It

9:49

was a solid scam. There was always going

9:51

to be a market for cheap sickies and vino.

9:54

And even if you were caught, you'd be more

9:56

likely to catch a fine than present time.

9:58

And at Christmas of 19...

9:59

1996, Lee's smuggling business

10:02

even helped ease the family tensions when

10:04

his cop brother-in-law, Michael, asked

10:06

if Ray could get him some cheap booze and

10:08

a leather jacket for his wife. I leave

10:11

the job at the office, Michael told him.

10:13

Oh, how nice.

10:18

But towards the end of the 90s, the government

10:20

introduced new initiatives aimed directly

10:23

at tobacco smuggling, hiring more customs

10:25

officers and setting up more x-ray scanners.

10:28

In late 1999 and early 2000,

10:31

two of Ray's cigarette stockpiles were raided

10:33

by authorities. Ray estimated

10:35

his losses at about 16,000 pounds

10:38

each time, but the press reported

10:40

figures between 50 and 160,000 pounds. Choose

10:44

your fighter, a habitual fraudster

10:46

or the London tabloid papers. Neither one of them

10:48

has a great record when it comes to, you know, the unvarnished

10:50

truth. But regardless

10:52

of the specific amount, Ray was

10:54

suddenly in a lot of financial trouble. He

10:56

had bills to pay, and he didn't have the capital

10:58

to smuggle more goods in from Europe. He

11:01

needed a lot of money and fast.

11:03

Ray also had dreams. He was

11:06

sick of the grime and grind of his life in South London. He

11:09

wanted to be able to take his family away to a new

11:11

life in Marbella, the resort city on

11:13

Spain's southern coast, a sunny paradise

11:16

with a large enough expat community that

11:18

you could get British food in the supermarkets. Because

11:21

why would you want delicious fresh-caught local seafood

11:23

when you can heat up a frozen steak and kidney

11:25

pie instead, right?

11:27

Good God.

11:30

There are a couple different stories on

11:32

what happened next. Ray's version

11:34

is that his cop brother-in-law, Michael

11:37

Waring, had a word with him while they were walking in

11:39

the park with their kids. I've got

11:41

something that might interest you, Michael said.

11:43

I'm working at the Dome as part

11:45

of the perimeter security. Michael

11:48

had been a successful police officer and had once

11:50

been decorated for tackling somebody with a knife

11:52

while he was off duty. He'd been promoted

11:54

to detective, and then, for

11:56

reasons which are unclear, demoted back

11:59

to beat cop again. and yes, some shit happened

12:01

there. Like, we don't know what, but something. Because

12:03

they don't just do that. According

12:05

to Ray, Michael was disillusioned with his

12:08

police career in thinking of getting out. He

12:10

had an old school friend, Tony, who'd

12:12

just been fired from group four, the private

12:15

company that handled security for the dome. Both

12:18

of them agreed that security at the dome,

12:20

including that part protecting the priceless

12:23

gems in the De Beers exhibit, was a joke.

12:26

Police officers patrolled the outside, but

12:28

had to get approval from senior officers

12:31

to go in. It's just crazy

12:33

to me. Inside, group

12:35

four wouldn't actually tackle any miscreants

12:37

themselves. They'd just report the trouble

12:40

and wait for the police. Group

12:42

four had even pulled their dedicated guard from

12:44

the De Beers exhibit. The tour guide who

12:47

answered the visitors' questions would now be responsible

12:49

for reporting any trouble. But

12:52

they hadn't bothered to tell the tour guides

12:54

about the change. The whole

12:56

situation was a mess. The

12:59

millennium jewels were ripe for the

13:01

taking. Now, Michael

13:03

Waring, the cop brother-in-law, denies

13:05

having any part whatsoever in any of

13:08

Ray's criminal schemes, down to asking

13:10

him for cheap booze and a leather jacket, and

13:12

a judge would later point out that there was zero evidence

13:15

of any wrongdoing on his part. He

13:17

was a recently demoted police officer working

13:19

perimeter security for the dome with

13:22

a close, familiar relation to one

13:24

of the primary instigators of a heist. So

13:27

I assume investigators took a good look at

13:29

him, but they either didn't find anything

13:31

or chose not to use what they found.

13:33

But somehow or other,

13:35

anyway,

13:36

Ray was introduced to a

13:38

guy named Tony, who's kind of a

13:40

shadowy figure throughout this whole thing.

13:43

Ray met up with him in a South London pie

13:45

and mash shop to hear about the vulnerabilities

13:47

of the millennium dome. He learned

13:49

that Tony already had a buyer set up for

13:51

the Millennium Star Diamond, someone who

13:53

was willing to pay half a million pounds for

13:56

it. It was a big score, and

13:58

exactly the kind of high-profile job. Ray

14:00

had been warned against his entire life.

14:03

But he was desperate and he bit.

14:07

His criminal career hadn't included anything

14:09

remotely resembling a heist, so Ray

14:12

got in touch with a guy who had experience in the

14:14

field, an old pro called Terry

14:16

Millman. Terry was tall

14:18

and thin and pushing 60, his face creased

14:21

with laugh lines. He was well known

14:23

and very well liked in South London criminal

14:25

circles, always smiling, always up

14:27

for a laugh. He could

14:29

also be terrifying. Unlike

14:32

Ray, he'd never

14:33

had a problem using violence as part of his crimes.

14:36

And he'd done a 14 year stretch

14:38

for armed robbery. Terry jumped

14:40

at the chance to go for the millennium star, but

14:42

his motives weren't quite the same as everybody

14:44

else who'd be involved.

14:46

Yeah, it wasn't just the money for him. Terry

14:49

had terminal stomach cancer and he'd chosen

14:51

to not have it treated. We don't know why,

14:54

sometimes people do this, they'll see a loved one

14:56

go through chemo and all the rest and just decide

14:58

they'd rather deal with the disease. Not

15:00

something I'd recommend doing, but there it is.

15:03

Terry was in near constant pain which he mainly

15:06

handled by drinking and he knew he didn't have

15:08

long to live. He wanted to make one

15:10

last massive score, something

15:12

big enough that he'd go down in history at

15:15

least among his criminal buddies. The

15:17

mysterious Tony was the man with

15:19

the plan.

15:20

Literally. He supplied blueprints

15:23

of the dome and vault that held the diamonds.

15:25

There was a gap in the fence around the dome with

15:27

vehicle access blocked by a concrete pole.

15:30

To get through this, the crew would drive a JCB

15:33

bulldozer, smashing down the pole and driving

15:35

straight into the structure. There

15:37

was plenty of construction work around the dome, so

15:39

the bulldozer probably wouldn't attract any attention

15:42

until it started smashing through things. Anticipating

15:44

a slow response from confused dome security,

15:47

about 4 or 5 minutes, the thieves

15:49

would have time to grab the gems and drive to

15:52

a beach on the Thames just north of the dome

15:54

beside a sculpture called A Slice of Reality.

15:57

This artwork is a 25 foot wide cross-section. of

16:00

a ship, fixed to the muddy floor of the

16:02

Thames. It's hard to miss as far

16:04

as landmarks go and a boat would be waiting

16:06

for the thieves there to speed them over to

16:08

the opposite shore to make their escape. All

16:11

pretty wild and daring stuff, but Ray

16:14

and Terry thought the plan had a decent chance of

16:16

success.

16:17

Yeah, it's gonna go great. They

16:20

needed more bodies, though.

16:22

Ray's first recruit was an old friend of his

16:25

from Walworth Road, Bill Cochram, a

16:27

big guy with a record of petty, non-violent

16:29

crimes. Various associates

16:31

described him as a pussycat and a

16:33

teddy bear. He was deeply

16:36

loyal to his friends and said yes as soon

16:38

as Ray asked him. Bill

16:40

was in the building trade and it was his job to figure

16:42

out how to get the Millennium Jewels out of their

16:45

protective glass case. De Beers

16:47

had proclaimed their display case to be unbreakable.

16:51

But after a couple of visits to the dome

16:53

to tap on the glass, Bill was pretty sure

16:55

brute force would do the trick. I mean,

16:57

Titanic, meat, iceberg, right?

17:00

Right, that's exactly what it is. Hubris

17:03

De Beers, hubris. Hubris.

17:06

A few shots from a nail gun to a week in the glass

17:08

and then smashed it open with a sledgehammer.

17:12

The fourth and youngest member of the gang was

17:14

29-year-old Aldo Ciarochi, who

17:16

had an Italian father but had grown up on

17:19

a South London council estate and had

17:21

known Ray Bettsen and Bill Cochram for most

17:23

of his life. He dated Bill's daughter

17:25

for a few years and bonded with Bill after the

17:27

girl broke up with him.

17:29

Kind of a weird way to make

17:31

a friend, but

17:32

whatever.

17:33

It really, it was like, and I swear to God,

17:35

this is what happened, like, so he's dating

17:37

the guy's daughter, they break up

17:39

and then he goes to Bill like, your daughter,

17:42

right? Like, I mean, and

17:44

Bill's like, right? She's crazy. And that's

17:46

like how they bonded.

17:47

That is the year. Dad

17:50

of the year.

17:53

As you've probably noticed, neither

17:55

Ray Bettsen or Bill Cochram were exactly

17:58

scar faced when it came to looming large. in the

18:00

underworld. But Aldo Ciarochi

18:03

really put the petty into petty cream.

18:06

He'd had one brief incarceration

18:08

for shoplifting right after high school and that

18:11

was pretty much it. But Ray

18:13

and Bill trusted him so they asked if he wanted

18:15

in on the Millennium Dome job. Man

18:17

that's a crack came already

18:19

ain't it? Oceans 11.

18:24

Aldo was mostly going straight with

18:26

a property company that was doing all right but

18:28

not spectacular. And in 1998 he'd gotten

18:30

together with Elizabeth

18:33

Kirsch, a young American student

18:35

who'd taken six months out from her English Lit

18:37

degree to do some modeling in Paris and

18:39

London. Which sounds exactly like

18:41

the wish a lot of girls would make if they rubbed a

18:43

lamp and a genie popped out. But Elizabeth

18:46

had actually been really lonely in Paris and

18:48

London wasn't much better. So

18:50

when a friend gave her the number of the sky she knew

18:53

called Aldo, Elizabeth called him. They

18:56

hit it off on the phone and met in person a couple

18:58

days later. Aldo showing up dressed

19:00

in all black, wearing shades and driving

19:02

a fancy sob convertible.

19:05

Probably helps to be at least part Italians.

19:07

Pull that off without looking ridiculous. They

19:10

hit it off again and Aldo helped Elizabeth

19:12

move into her new flat. There was obviously

19:15

something cooking between the two of them but Aldo

19:17

tried to play things cool. Telling Elizabeth

19:19

he wanted to keep it cash. He had four other

19:22

girlfriends you know. This

19:24

was a lie. He had no other girlfriends.

19:26

He'd fallen for Elizabeth pretty much at first sight

19:29

and now he was trying to look like a playa. The

19:31

sob was a rental he couldn't afford.

19:34

Same for his fancy Docklands flat.

19:36

His business was in trouble and he was living

19:38

beyond his means which would only get worse

19:41

as he tried to impress this new girlfriend that

19:43

he felt was out of his league. And given

19:45

her bio you can see why he'd think she was a fancy

19:48

type who had to pamper. She wasn't

19:50

actually. She was a middle-class American girl

19:52

who just happened to be 5'11 with legs up

19:54

to her eyeballs but Aldo felt like he

19:56

had to keep laying it on thick. Elizabeth

19:59

graduated from NYU in 1999

20:02

and came straight back to London to live with Aldo.

20:05

In early 2000 his property business

20:07

flamed out and he couldn't get anything else going.

20:09

He was already in debt and on

20:12

top of all the worries that situation would cause anybody

20:14

he convinced himself that he'd lose Elizabeth

20:17

if he couldn't keep up his fake high roller

20:19

lifestyle which was just his own

20:21

insecurity talking. Dude she came to

20:23

a different continent for you. She's all

20:25

in.

20:25

Calm down.

20:27

So now Aldo had a choice. Come

20:30

clean with his lady love that he was in deep

20:32

financial shit and they were gonna have to do some serious

20:34

downsizing or splash

20:37

out on a ridiculously expensive Cartier

20:39

watch for her and sign up for a diamond

20:41

heist that he was woefully pitifully

20:44

unqualified to be any part of. Aldo

20:47

of course chose door number two.

20:51

Their plan took on a clearer shape as they discussed

20:53

the details. The bulldozer would

20:55

be modified so Aldo and Bill Cochram

20:58

could be passengers alongside Ray who'd

21:00

be driving it. They'd start their raid

21:02

at 930 a.m. which was in the dome

21:04

and the De Beers vault open to the public but

21:07

the vault was far enough from the entrance

21:09

that there shouldn't be anybody there when the bulldozer

21:11

came through. The

21:13

three of them would have gas masks. When

21:15

they were outside the vault Aldo would

21:17

jump down and let off some smoke bombs

21:19

to create general confusion and

21:21

provide some cover from the security cameras.

21:25

My favorite part. Smoke

21:27

bombs like supervillains. Anybody

21:29

else just do a face palm? Yeah,

21:33

me too. Bill

21:35

and Ray would rush into the vault and use the

21:37

nail gun and sledgehammer to smash open

21:39

the protective glass case then some

21:41

heavy duty bolt cutters to cut the metal stand

21:44

holding the diamonds. They'd spray

21:46

down the area with Vicks nasal spray bottles

21:48

filled with ammonia to ruin any potential DNA

21:50

evidence then all three of them would jump back

21:53

in the dozer and speed to the Thames where

21:55

a boat would be waiting for their escape.

21:58

Ray had decided that Terry...

22:00

because of both his debilitating illness

22:03

and his propensity for violence, wouldn't

22:05

be part of the business end of the heist, but would

22:07

handle the escape. They'd cross

22:09

the river, jump in a recently stolen van, then

22:11

drive through the Limehouse Link Tunnel back to south London

22:14

and be at the Mayflower Pub by 10.15

22:17

a.m., where their buyer would be waiting. They'd

22:19

exchange the diamonds for cash and split up,

22:22

half a million pounds richer for less than an hour's

22:24

work, if everything went right.

22:29

This sounds like the kind of plan you come up with when you

22:31

think that the people you're stealing from have

22:34

never had a singular thought in their heads. This

22:38

sounds like a heist that they came up with during a Dungeons &

22:40

Dragons game and the DM is

22:42

about to lay the smackdown

22:44

on them, okay? Yes, absolutely.

22:48

One of the reasons Ray Bettson had brought

22:50

in Terry Millman was for his underworld connections,

22:53

and these included a fella by the name of

22:55

James Wynnum. Who lived

22:57

in a place called Tong Farm down in the Kent

22:59

countryside. Holy shit, that is

23:01

a string of whimsical names. James Wynnum

23:06

at Tong Farm in

23:08

Kent countryside. The UK

23:10

has aggressive whimsy, I've always said it. My God,

23:12

it's aggressively whimsical. Yeah. That

23:16

was a recent move. Wynnum

23:18

had bought the place in March 2000

23:21

paying with cash. The

23:23

Wynnens were a notorious criminal family,

23:26

suspected of involvement in drug smuggling,

23:28

money laundering, and large-scale car theft.

23:31

James's son, Lee, was a good mechanic,

23:33

and he agreed to modify the gang's bulldozer

23:36

so it would go faster and be able to carry passengers.

23:39

Millman had also arranged for the bulldozer,

23:41

speedboat, and stolen getaway van to be

23:43

stored at Tong Farm until right before the

23:45

heist. In

23:48

July of 2000, Ray and Terry drove

23:50

down to Tong Farm to meet with the Wynnens, and

23:52

that was where everything started to go tits

23:55

up. One of the problems you run

23:57

into when working with career criminals that

24:00

they commit

24:02

crimes.

24:05

The day before Ray went down

24:07

to Tong Farm, Terry Millman and Lee

24:09

Wenham had been part of a crew that had

24:12

tried to rob out an armored car. They'd

24:14

forced it to stop by swerving in front of it with

24:16

a van, then having one nimble dude

24:18

slide under and snip the brake lines, which

24:20

stopped the armored car from being able to reverse.

24:23

A semi-truck parked down the street started

24:26

reversing straight toward the armored car at a high

24:28

speed. It had been modified with a big

24:30

concrete-filled metal spike on the back of it,

24:33

designed to punch a hole through the armored rear doors

24:35

of the security van.

24:36

Then, they'd shove in an anchor

24:39

that the semi would use to yank the

24:40

doors off the armored car.

24:47

Two smashing impacts weren't enough

24:49

to make an anchor-sized hole, though, and

24:51

before they could try a third time, the cops

24:53

showed up a lot quicker than the robbers had anticipated.

24:57

They fled, jumping onto a waiting speedboat

24:59

on the nearby Medway River. This

25:07

failed, but daring attempted robbery

25:09

was an almost exact duplicate of

25:11

another failure

25:16

tried

25:21

out in February in the Nine Elms area

25:23

of London. That one had failed

25:26

because the semi had double parked in front

25:28

of a car, and the owner had been

25:30

so pissed off at being blocked in

25:32

that he'd reached inside of the truck and

25:34

taken the keys out of the ignition. Halfway

25:41

through their heights, the crew had discovered they had

25:44

no way of starting the truck and had fled.

25:46

I love this. Worted

25:48

by Petty Road Rage.

25:59

Oh, so

26:02

good.

26:03

A senior detective who responded to the most

26:05

recent attempted robbery recognized the van

26:07

used to block off the armored car. The

26:10

cops had seen it before, at Tong Farm,

26:12

which the local PD had been keeping a close

26:15

eye on.

26:16

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26:18

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27:46

So, with two failed robbery attempts,

27:49

the police were sure a third attempt was on

27:51

the way. The next

27:53

day, the police were surveyed by a team of six specialist

27:55

detectives. And the surveillance

27:57

just happened to start on the same day that

27:59

Roe was killed.

27:59

Ray Bettson, completely in the

28:02

dark about both attempted robberies, drove

28:04

down to the farm for the first time.

28:06

As he got out of the car and shook Terry Millman's

28:08

hand, a cop took his picture with a

28:10

telephoto lens.

28:12

D'oh!

28:14

The police initially had no idea

28:16

who Ray was and made an understandable

28:19

mistake. They assumed he must

28:21

be part of the crew who tried both armored car

28:23

robberies here to discuss the next big job.

28:26

So they put Ray under constant surveillance.

28:30

As the days passed, police watched Ray

28:32

and Bill Cochran test drive a speedboat,

28:34

take their kids to visit the Millennium Dome,

28:37

with Ray and Bill spending most of their time

28:39

in the money zone, specifically the De

28:41

Beers exhibit.

28:43

Police watched them stare at the diamonds,

28:45

Bill leaning forward to tap on the security

28:48

glass. Then, they videotaped

28:50

quick exit routes from the dome, unaware

28:53

that they themselves were being caved by

28:55

the Kent Police.

28:57

The detectives watching Ray Bettson could hardly

28:59

believe what they were seeing.

29:01

These guys surely weren't going to try

29:03

and knock over the dome, were they?

29:06

They couldn't be going after the Millennium

29:08

Jewels, surely?

29:09

Right? The Kent

29:12

Police passed on their suspicions to

29:14

London's Flying Squad, which initially

29:16

had been an armed fast response team

29:18

covering all of London's districts and

29:21

now handled most of the capital's armed robbery

29:23

and organized crime investigations. And

29:26

it seems like the Flying Squad were just absolutely

29:29

delighted to hear about the dome job because, see,

29:32

they really needed a big win

29:34

right about then. One

29:36

of the main reasons detectives are recruited

29:38

into the Flying Squad is for their underworld

29:41

contacts. Around 40%

29:43

of the unit's cases are solved with the help

29:45

of confidential informants, a

29:47

staggeringly high number. For other

29:50

departments, the number is around 5%. The

29:53

Flying Squad relies on close

29:55

relationships with criminals for its success,

29:58

but as Nietzsche sort of said one

30:00

time, if you gaze into some bloke down

30:02

the pub selling dodgy Belgian VCRs,

30:04

he gazes also into you. Or

30:06

something like that. I

30:09

apologize for that terrible butchering of

30:11

a fresh accent. A

30:13

close relationship with criminals, you know,

30:16

it's a two-way street. There's a lot of opportunities

30:18

to make some quick money, and the Flying Squad

30:21

had a list of corruption scandals almost

30:23

as long as its list of criminal takedowns.

30:26

Robbers were tipped off about investigations

30:28

in exchange for cash. Officers

30:31

helped with drug dealing, and sometimes when robbers

30:33

were apprehended, the cops would help themselves

30:35

to some of their take. Bribery

30:37

was everywhere. And if you

30:40

had a tough case, why go to all the trouble of

30:42

solving it when you could just plant evidence on

30:44

some poor bastard and knock off early? Good

30:47

God. Gross! An

30:50

investigation in 1997 accused 49 officers of the 125 in the Flying

30:52

Squad of being corrupt. That's 40%

30:58

of them. So

31:00

by the time Ray and his buds were planning the Millennium

31:03

Star Theft, the Flying Squad's reputation

31:05

was almost as low as it had ever been.

31:08

The lowest point had probably been in 1977,

31:11

when their former head, Ken Drury, was

31:13

jailed for his part in running

31:15

London's biggest porn syndicate. No,

31:20

it's so good. He

31:22

was a titties mafioso. I

31:28

think that might be the funniest kind of corruption

31:31

to be arrested for. Imagine

31:34

you get to prison and they're all sizing you up,

31:36

and all these dudes, they look up and down, they

31:38

go,

31:39

what are you in for?

31:41

And you go, oh, I was moving product. And they're like, oh, drugs?

31:44

And you have to go, no, playboys

31:46

and soft core videos.

31:48

What are you

31:50

in for, new fish? I was a

31:52

titty kingpin. Titty kingpin.

31:55

You know what? That's honestly,

31:57

I think that's a little anti-feminist of us.

32:00

He could have been... It could

32:01

have been a... A winging pin. Yeah, a winging

32:03

pin. Yes. God,

32:06

it could have been a menking pin. All

32:09

right.

32:10

Absolutely.

32:12

Wow. So, yeah, the flying squad

32:15

needed a big win right about now. Needed

32:17

it bad enough that they were perfectly willing

32:19

to overhype the dome caper that

32:21

Kent Police had handed them. And when I say overhype,

32:24

oh my God, I mean overhype. Over 300

32:28

officers would be involved in what the flying

32:30

squad called Operation

32:32

Magician.

32:34

100 from the squad itself,

32:37

plus firearms and intelligence

32:39

officers from other units. John

32:42

Shatford, best last name

32:43

ever. John

32:45

Shatford, the head of the operation,

32:48

described the crew planning the heist to his superiors

32:51

as serious armed robbers, saying

32:53

that other criminals walked in fear

32:55

of them. These

32:58

goobs like the dudes we've been talking about.

33:01

They had, he claimed, netted 15 million

33:04

pounds from armed robberies, all of which would

33:06

have been news to Ray Bettson, Bill Cochram,

33:09

and Aldo Cirocchi, none of whom had

33:11

ever committed a violent crime, had no part

33:13

in armed robberies, and had never been close to a million

33:15

pounds in their lives. And

33:18

obviously, we're not saying these guys were angels,

33:20

they clearly were not, but I think we can accept

33:23

both that they were criminals who should probably be arrested,

33:25

and also that the police reaction was

33:28

beyond absurd. You got

33:30

three doofuses on one side, and

33:32

on the other you've got the London cops freaking rappelling

33:35

in, like all black outfits, dodging laser

33:37

sights like Catherine Zeta Jones, like everybody

33:40

involved here is in a fantasy world. The

33:43

crooks are fantasizing about the big score,

33:45

and the cops are like, you know, it's

33:49

just

33:51

hilarious to me.

33:53

Everybody in this story is a giant twat,

33:55

everybody. Every down to the man,

33:58

it is absurd. As

34:02

one old school London gangster told author

34:04

Chris Hollington, no one would

34:06

walk in fear of Ray and Bill. They

34:08

never gave anyone cause to. Shatford

34:11

has to make them look bad because he'd look stupid

34:13

using 300 coppers to catch some lads

34:15

who were small time. He didn't

34:17

even mention Aldo. Nobody had even

34:19

heard of him. Do

34:21

you? I do.

34:23

Like poor Aldo.

34:25

He's like the, he's like, he's like the

34:27

Ann from Arrested Development.

34:29

Where

34:31

everyone's like, her? Him?

34:36

The flying squad kept the crew under surveillance

34:38

and brought all their manpower to stake out

34:40

the dome on days when the tides were high because

34:43

those were the only days the crew would be able to

34:45

make their speedboat getaway. On October

34:47

6th, the police were sure the raid was coming. The

34:50

tides were right and the vehicles at Tong farm

34:52

had been moved to London locations. Shatford

34:55

reminded his officers that they were waiting for ruthless

34:57

armed robbers who would be carrying guns. He

35:00

had good intelligence on that. His

35:02

intelligence, assuming he had any at all

35:05

and wasn't just making it up, was garbage.

35:08

The dome raiders didn't have guns. They'd

35:11

never even thought about it. But

35:13

the cops were loaded for bear. Some

35:16

armed officers were hidden behind a secret wall

35:19

inside the dome.

35:20

Others were disguised as cleaners with their

35:22

weapons hidden inside trash cans. 60 armed

35:25

officers surreptitiously patrolled the shores

35:27

of the River Thames with 20 more out on boats.

35:30

Police helicopters and pursuit drivers

35:33

were on standby. Jesus Jones.

35:36

Y'all think you got enough manpower? God,

35:38

it is so ridiculous. They

35:40

just wanted a big show. And like,

35:43

I don't want to do. Do

35:45

you

35:45

not have anything better to do? Like,

35:48

no offense. This is just a shiny rock.

35:50

Like, I get it. It's worth a lot of money. But

35:53

like, it's it's a shiny rock. OK,

35:56

it's fine. It's real purdy.

35:59

of it.

36:00

Followed by police, Ray Bettson started

36:02

driving the bulldozer towards the dome, wearing

36:05

a latex face mask over a ski

36:07

mask to fool any future identification

36:09

from traffic cameras. Cockrum, although

36:12

in the mysterious Tony, followed in a van,

36:14

along with equipment to monitor police band radio

36:17

transmissions.

36:18

A police car started

36:19

following the van, one that had nothing at

36:22

all to do with Operation Magician. Both

36:24

the raiders and the police waiting for them at

36:26

the dome were on edge. The flying squad

36:28

needed to catch these guys red-handed. If

36:31

a random cop pulled the van or bulldozer over,

36:33

the operation would be a beast. Then,

36:36

Ray Bettson got a call from Terry Millman

36:38

on his walkie-talkie. The getaway boat

36:40

wouldn't start. Ray

36:43

made a quick decision and pulled the plug. The

36:45

bulldozer and van turned around, and

36:47

the keyed-up coughs at the dome had to chill

36:50

out. The tides

36:52

wouldn't be right again for a while. Ray

36:54

decided they'd take another crack at the dome on

36:57

November 7th, and surprisingly,

36:59

he decided to add a new member to the crew

37:01

the night before. This was

37:03

Bob Adams of the infamous North London

37:06

Adams family.

37:07

And not the goth one, unless I missed the

37:09

part where Gomez threatens to shoot off Uncle Fester's

37:12

kneecap screaming, where's me fucking money? It's

37:15

like Adams family values meets Peaky

37:17

Blinders. I'd

37:19

watch the shit out of that. I would

37:21

watch the shit out of that too.

37:24

These Adamses were notoriously

37:26

criminal and violent, and not in a fun,

37:29

quirky way. No like severed

37:31

hands or like crawling around the floor.

37:33

I think they're just on the floor, right? Nobody's

37:36

tangoing. They're just all dead. Nobody. Just

37:38

shooting people. Yeah. Bob

37:41

Adams, who was 60 but still very

37:43

scary, knew Bill Cochram through the

37:45

building trade, and he was happy to join

37:47

in on the scheme. Ray and Bill

37:49

decided things would run a lot smoother if

37:52

Ray stayed in the bulldozer, ready to hit

37:54

the gas, while Bill and Bob handled

37:56

the vault. The morning

37:58

of November 7th started out just like

38:00

the previous attempt, with the hidden and disguised

38:03

officers ready and waiting at the dome, and

38:05

the raiders driving there in the bulldozer and

38:07

the van. They had no idea they were

38:09

being watched every second of the way.

38:12

At 9.34 a.m. the bulldozer

38:15

reached the gate in the fence around the dome with

38:17

access blocked by a metal post. Ray

38:20

gunned the dozer, shoveled down, and flattened

38:22

the post like it wasn't even there. Bill,

38:25

Bob, and Aldo crammed into the bulldozer

38:27

cab with Ray. They all pulled on

38:29

gas masks, but there was already

38:31

a wrinkle in the plan. The dome

38:33

entrance they'd been planning to use had always been

38:36

open when they were scouting, but now it was closed

38:38

by a metal shutter. They were

38:40

already committed to the heist though, so Ray charged

38:43

forward with the bulldozer and it smashed through the

38:45

shutter and into the dome. Debris

38:47

crashed down, one piece smacking Ray

38:49

across the face and breaking his nose.

38:52

He sped through the dome, police officers

38:54

disguised as cleaners haul an ass to get

38:56

out of his way. The bulldozers

38:58

slammed to a halt outside the Millennium Jewels

39:00

vault. Aldo jumped out

39:02

and tossed his first smoke bomb, which billowed out

39:05

dark clouds. Three other smoke

39:07

bombs quickly followed. Bill

39:09

and Bob rushed into the vault. Bill

39:11

fired the nail gun a few times into the reinforced

39:14

glass, each shot making a small

39:16

hole. Then Bob Adams

39:18

swung the sledgehammer. The first

39:20

impact sent cracks all through the glass, and

39:23

the second punch cleaned through, making

39:25

a fist-sized hole. The Debris

39:28

security expert would later testify that

39:30

the glass case was supposed to be able to stand

39:32

up to heavy assault for 30 minutes. Bill

39:35

Cochram's brute force tactic had gotten

39:37

through it in 27 seconds.

39:39

Not to be an insurance nerd,

39:41

but some

39:41

poor claims adjuster for Lloyds of London

39:43

broke out into a cold sweat as the third nail

39:46

breached

39:46

the glass. I just, I can feel it in my bones. I

39:48

know it.

39:49

He was like, I sense

39:50

a disturbance

39:51

in the fall. Yeah, exactly.

39:55

The Millennium Jewels were in their grasp,

39:58

but not really. See,

40:00

long before putting the jewels on display, De

40:02

Beers had had several exact replicas

40:05

made. In part, this was so

40:07

they could retain perfect records of what the stones

40:09

looked like, but more shadily, it meant

40:12

they could display the Millennium Jewels

40:14

in more than one place at the same time.

40:17

Often, when tourists oohed and awed at the amazing

40:19

diamonds, what they were actually looking at

40:22

were meticulously handcrafted zircon

40:24

copies. De Beers would claim

40:26

they'd never intended to deceive anyone,

40:30

and always put informative signs up

40:32

when the fake stones were shown, but nobody

40:34

who visited or worked at the dome could remember

40:36

ever seeing a sign like that. Obviously,

40:39

as soon as they'd gotten wind of a robbery attempt,

40:41

De Beers had switched in the fake stones.

40:44

That's the worst part of this whole thing, isn't it? Even

40:46

if they actually managed to do it,

40:48

they would not have gotten the diamonds.

40:51

It just would have been a bunch

40:52

of cubic zirconia. Ugh.

40:54

Lord.

40:56

At this point, in the dome's security

40:58

office, Superintendent John Shatford

41:01

decided enough was enough and gave

41:02

the signal for the police to arrest

41:03

the raiders. Cleaners

41:11

pulled MP5 submachine guns out

41:13

of trash cans, women pulled them out of baby

41:16

strollers, a fake wall slammed

41:18

down and armed officers burst out. Tourists

41:21

and workers were shoved to the ground with instructions

41:23

to stay down. An armed

41:25

officer rushed Aldo Ciarochi through the smoke

41:28

and forced him to the ground. Another

41:30

pointed his weapon at Ray in the bulldozer cab, yelling,

41:33

armed police, armed police, show me your hands.

41:36

Before he could do anything, though, police yanked him

41:38

out of the cab and threw him down. An

41:40

officer pinned him down with a boot on his back,

41:42

yelling, show me your hands, while trapping

41:45

Bettsun's hands under him. It

41:47

was a tense moment. Shatford had,

41:49

incorrectly, told his officers that the dome

41:51

raiders would be armed. But Ray

41:53

finally managed to yank his empty hands

41:56

clear, where they were pulled behind his back

41:58

and secured with plastic cuffs. With

42:00

all the commotion outside the vault, Bill Cockrum

42:03

knew the jig was up. He lay face down

42:05

on the floor with his arms out ahead of him, ready

42:07

to be taken into custody. It

42:09

didn't help him much. The police tossed a

42:11

couple of concussion grenades into the vault

42:13

to subdue them, and Bill was unconscious

42:16

when officers rushed in and told him to show them his

42:18

hands. Three boatloads

42:20

of armed officers swarmed around the escape

42:22

boat out on the shore. Terry Millman,

42:25

no stranger to being arrested, was sipping

42:27

from a thermos flask when officers nabbed

42:29

him. Do you mind if I finish my tea first,

42:31

he said?

42:33

Very British.

42:34

It is.

42:36

Back at the flat she shared with Aldo, Elizabeth

42:38

Kirsch was listening to radio news about the robbery

42:41

attempt. She had absolutely no

42:43

idea Aldo was involved, right up to the

42:45

point where there was a knock at the door and a dozen

42:47

cops barged in to search the place.

42:50

And then there was Tony, who'd driven the

42:52

van carrying Bill, Bob, and Aldo. He'd

42:55

just driven away, and poof,

42:57

he was gone. John

43:00

Shatford said he didn't have officers follow

43:02

the van because, quote, criminals

43:04

have a sixth sense and he would have known we

43:07

were there.

43:08

Yeah. Well, that

43:10

sixth sense would have come in pretty

43:12

handy when the crew were under constant surveillance

43:14

for months. Not to mention when they were driving

43:17

into a trap armed with hundreds of cops,

43:18

but okay. Yeah.

43:21

God, I... That's

43:23

a hell of a claim.

43:26

John, just every

43:28

word he says is so obnoxious

43:30

to me. He's

43:33

that guy that has a justification for everything.

43:36

If you try to tell him something, he's like,

43:38

well, I did it because of this. It's like, I don't care

43:40

why you did it.

43:41

Don't do what it gets. Shut the fuck

43:43

up. Shut the fuck up, Shatford.

43:45

Honestly, he's like this because of that

43:47

name, I'm sure. Some

43:49

people become funny and some people become

43:51

terrible cops,

43:51

okay? Yup, yup, yup.

43:55

Ray Bettson's theory is that Tony was

43:57

working for the cops from the start and had set the

43:59

whole thing up. as a big flashy event to make

44:01

the flying squad look good. Who

44:04

knows, but constant surveillance,

44:07

300 officers, and you let one of the

44:09

crew just drive off without following

44:11

him, it does smell

44:13

a little fishy. A lot

44:16

fishy. Having been caught

44:18

in the act and with mountains of surveillance records,

44:20

there was no chance of the crew being let off

44:22

the hook at trial. The only real question

44:24

was whether this was theft with violence,

44:27

which would come with a much stiffer sentence. The

44:30

definition was kind of vague and required

44:32

that a suspect quote, use force

44:34

on any person or seek to put any

44:36

person in fear of being then and

44:39

there

44:39

subjected to force.

44:41

The prosecutor, as prosecutors tend

44:44

to do, went for everything he could. The

44:46

nail gun and sledge hammer were weapons, the

44:48

ammonia filled vix spray bottles were weapons, the

44:50

smoke bombs were weapons, even the body armor

44:53

the Raiders wore were weapons.

44:55

But the judge, a senior magistrate

44:58

who was just shy of retirement and occasionally kind

45:00

of sleepy during the trial, wouldn't bite.

45:02

All

45:03

of those things were tools of the robbery

45:05

and hadn't been intended to harm anyone.

45:07

But there was a big yellow elephant in the

45:09

room, the bulldozer itself, which

45:12

undercover officers had to flee from as it sped

45:15

through the dome. You

45:16

know, that the judge ruled, let

45:18

the case up to theft with violence and fair

45:21

enough, being chased by a speeding bulldozer

45:23

would absolutely put you in fear for your life.

45:26

And if anybody had tripped, Ray would have flattened

45:28

them.

45:29

Ray Betzen and Bill Cochran were sentenced

45:31

to 18 years in prison each.

45:33

Aldo Ciarochi and Bob Adams each

45:35

got 15. Harry

45:38

Millman had been so cheerful during his court

45:40

appearances that the judge had to apologize

45:42

for repeatedly calling him Mr. Merryman,

45:45

but died of his stomach cancer before the trial

45:47

began. Bob Adams died

45:49

of a heart attack six months into his sentence.

45:52

Not long after he'd started his stretch,

45:54

Elizabeth Kirsch visited Aldo in prison

45:57

and he pulled the ring pull off his coat can,

45:59

one knee and asked her to marry him, which

46:02

apparently made a couple of his fellow inmates

46:04

burst into

46:05

tears. Like,

46:08

honestly,

46:08

like, I know we

46:11

usually roast the criminals and we have, but like,

46:13

that is kind of sweet, it just goes to show. Love

46:15

don't cost a thing, baby.

46:20

We don't know what happened to Bill Cochrane, but I

46:22

guess he got out about the same time as Ray

46:24

Bettson in 2012. Just

46:26

after he was released, Ray was part of a crew

46:29

who tried to rob a Kent security depot

46:31

by ramming a bulldozer through the wall of

46:33

the cash vault.

46:36

But

46:36

they got the wrong wall and just smashed into

46:39

a loading dock instead. Honey,

46:41

honey, stop. Please stop.

46:44

You're just bad

46:44

at this. Dude

46:46

has the opposite of a calling. He

46:48

has a hang up. It was

46:50

a busy signal.

46:53

Ray was arrested on DNA evidence and sentenced

46:56

to 13 years, which I think is the universe telling

46:58

him to go back to smuggling cigarettes. Or

47:00

you know, just stop doing crimes.

47:03

As for Aldo Ciarochi, well, he

47:05

apparently failed upwards. His

47:08

ringpole engagement to Elizabeth stuck,

47:10

and after he got out of prison, he built what looks

47:12

like a successful business reclaiming and

47:15

repurposing old flooring. The

47:17

two of them have a family and a ridiculously

47:19

gorgeous London flat that they hire out as a location

47:22

for model

47:22

shoots and filming,

47:23

which I'm sure kind of sticks in some people's crawl

47:25

a little bit. But hey, you know, he did his time.

47:28

And for society to progress at all, young

47:30

dipshits have to learn to not be dipshits at all.

47:33

Are you taking notes, Ray? I hope so,

47:35

hun. So

47:37

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47:40

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