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We're your camp counselors. I'm Katie,

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we're here to tell you a true story that is

0:56

way stranger than fiction. or roasting

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murderers and marshmallows around the True Crime Camp

1:00

Fire?

1:08

Joseph Campbell wrote, it

1:10

is only when a man retains his own demons

1:12

that he becomes the king of himself, if not

1:14

the world. Problem is,

1:16

sometimes there's a thin line between

1:18

hero and hero complex. Adoration

1:21

and attention aren't always good for people.

1:24

After a while, they can start to believe

1:26

so strongly in their own PR that

1:28

they lose all sense of reality. And

1:30

protecting the image can become the most important

1:32

thing in their lives. crowding out everybody

1:35

and everything. I'd

1:37

say this is the story of a fallen hero,

1:39

but the fact is he was never really

1:41

a hero in the first place. he was just

1:43

wearing the mask. This

1:46

is GI joke, the life and

1:48

death of lieutenant Glynowits.

2:04

So campers for this one were in

2:06

Fox Lake, Illinois. September first

2:09

to thousand fifteen. At

2:11

around eight fifteen AM, the local

2:13

police dispatch got a radio in from lieutenant

2:15

Joe Glennewitz, a thirty year veteran

2:17

of the Fox Lake Police. Lately,

2:20

the director of public works had been calling

2:22

in to request extra patrols around a

2:24

concrete plant. He felt like somebody

2:26

had been trespassing on the property and he was

2:28

worried about theft or vandalism. So

2:31

this morning, lieutenant Glenowitz had promised

2:33

to go take a look.

2:34

Now he radioed in. Long

2:36

behold, he caught sight of three suspicious

2:38

looking men, too white and one black,

2:41

prowling around in the swampy area around

2:43

the plant. I got two white males,

2:45

one black heading into the old concrete factory

2:47

he said, and following them in.

2:49

A few moments later, he rodeoed in again.

2:52

They took off toward the swamp, he said,

2:54

ten four said the dispatcher, do you need a second

2:56

unit? Yeah, go ahead and start

2:58

somebody, glenowits radioed back. About

3:01

ten minutes later, two officers rolled

3:03

up on the scene. They found lieutenant

3:05

Glynowitz's squad car, but there was no sign

3:07

of the man himself. The

3:10

tension ratcheted up as minutes passed

3:12

without the backup guys setting eyes on Joe.

3:14

You can hear the worry in the dispatcher's voice

3:16

as they talked back and forth. Somebody

3:18

try him on his cell phone, please, and

3:21

then came the unmistakable sound of

3:23

a gunshot. Immediately, the

3:25

two officers took off into the trees where

3:27

the sound guns drawn, and

3:29

it didn't take them more than a few minutes to come

3:31

across the lieutenant lying face

3:33

down in his own blood. No

3:35

pulse. Despite his bulletproof

3:38

vest, he was already dead. Send

3:40

everybody, you possibly can, one of the officers

3:42

radioed in. We have an officer down call

3:45

the chief and tell him to get a hold of his wife

3:47

Melody. Lieutenant

3:49

Glenowitz had started his day like he always

3:51

did, He'd stopped by the convenience store

3:53

to

3:53

buy his daily two packs of siggies and a cup

3:55

of coffee. He'd joked around with the cashier,

3:58

and now, just like that, he

3:59

was gone.

4:01

a year away from retirement too.

4:04

The news hit the town of Fox Lake like a

4:06

wrecking ball. Joe Glenewitz

4:08

was sort of the town celebrity. He'd

4:10

been a paratrooper when he was younger before

4:12

he joined the Fox Lake PD, and he still had

4:14

the super

4:14

short military crew cut.

4:17

He had a sort of soldiery vibe in general,

4:19

and this had earned him a nickname, g

4:21

i Joe. Joe liked that everybody

4:24

called him that. He even played it up a driving

4:26

around town and a v with AGIJ0 license

4:28

plate and wearing fatigues and combat

4:30

boots around town, people loved

4:33

this guy largely because of his work with a

4:35

program called the police explorers, an

4:37

offshoot of the boy scouts where kids could work

4:39

mock crime scenes, practice forensic techniques,

4:41

learn about gun safety and how murder investigations

4:44

work, all kinds of stuff. A lot

4:46

of the townspeople had kids who'd been through the Explorer

4:49

program, learned a lot from GI Joe,

4:51

The kids practically hero worshiped him.

4:54

He had a way of bringing the quiet ones out of their

4:56

shells, helping them find their confidence. When

4:59

they found out where he'd been killed, it struck the

5:01

explorers as an awful irony. The

5:03

swampy area outside the old concrete

5:05

plant was where they used to work their mock crime

5:07

scenes and other training exercises. Now

5:10

it was a real crime scene. The

5:12

whole town was hunkered down, glued to

5:14

the news,

5:15

schools on lockdown, and

5:16

the Fox Lake PD knew they were gonna

5:19

need reinforcements to hunt down three killers

5:21

on the run. And

5:22

they sure as hell got him.

5:24

The manhunt for GI Joe's killers jumped

5:26

into gear within minutes of the discovery of

5:28

the body, and it was unlike anything the

5:30

town had ever seen. four

5:32

hundred law enforcement officers called in

5:34

to help state and federal helicopters,

5:37

fixed wing aircraft, guys on top of

5:39

people's roofs with binoculars, dozens

5:41

of scent dogs and their handlers. This

5:43

was intense even by Chicago standards.

5:46

The little town looked like it had been overrun

5:48

by an occupying force. It

5:50

was like some of the kind of a movie, one fox like

5:52

neighbor told CNBC, especially

5:55

when you consider the town's history. According

5:57

to CNN, Al Capone used to live

5:59

near Fox Lake and he liked to have his minions

6:02

dump bodies in the waterways around town.

6:04

here

6:05

As the town people sat by their TVs

6:07

watching the progress they all figured the three guys

6:09

would be in custody soon,

6:12

but the hours dragged by and

6:14

then the days. Tips,

6:17

of course, had been rolling in from pretty much

6:19

minute one, and quite a few people had

6:21

called about a group of guys who seemed to fit the description

6:24

of the killers to a tee. They even

6:26

had moment of big excitement when they looked at

6:28

surveillance footage from a gas station nearby

6:30

and saw the guys. Too white, one black,

6:32

all twenty something men. They

6:34

found the guys and interviewed them. And when they

6:37

found out they had criminal records, everybody felt

6:39

like, oh, this has gotta be it. but

6:42

it didn't take long for that lead to evaporate.

6:45

The men were all day workers. They were in the area

6:47

for a job, and they all had

6:49

a stainless steel alibi. At

6:52

the time, Joe Glynowits was shot.

6:54

They were having grits and blueberry pancakes

6:56

at Dino's diner. Surveillance footage

6:58

credit card receipts, the whole nine. It

7:01

want them? I'm

7:02

sorry. That just sounded really

7:03

delicious. I know

7:06

right. I'm on very simple blueberry pancakes. you

7:09

know, that is good alibi. It is.

7:11

Better better than most I've heard. Right?

7:14

Mhmm. It was

7:16

weird that the police response to Glenowitz's

7:18

death had been so quick. They had a perimeter

7:21

set up within two hours, so why

7:23

hadn't they found these guys yet? Were

7:25

they hold up somewhere? Did they

7:28

god forbid have somebody hostage in their

7:30

own house trying to lay low until

7:32

the heat was off? That's been known to

7:34

happen sometimes with bloody results. Oh,

7:36

yeah. Everybody in town was on edge,

7:39

making sure every door and window was locked

7:41

down tight. People were sleeping

7:43

with guns under

7:43

their pillows.

7:45

It kind of felt like the whole of Fox

7:47

Lake was holding its breath. And

7:49

then finally, a break. A

7:52

woman called to report a scary close

7:54

call. She'd been driving in her

7:56

car earlier that night when she'd lost track of

7:58

where she needed to go, so she pulled

8:00

the car over to check her directions on her phone.

8:02

And suddenly, as she was sitting

8:04

there, three men came bursting out of a cornfield

8:07

and tried to jump in the car with her. her

8:10

doors were locked. Thank god, but they were

8:12

yanking on the handles, pounding on the windows,

8:14

demanding she let them in. scared

8:16

to death, the woman managed to floor it and get

8:19

away, but it was a terrifying experience.

8:22

And it didn't take long for her to realize that

8:24

the men matched a description of the suspects

8:26

in the Glenowitz case, which had been all

8:28

over the news all day. Three twenty

8:30

something males, two white and one black.

8:33

But under police questioning, the woman's

8:35

story started falling apart. It

8:38

was three men, then maybe

8:40

it was only two. She wasn't hundred percent

8:42

sure. she started to waver. And

8:44

then when police confronted her with the

8:46

fact that there wasn't any damage to her car

8:48

doors despite how hard these guys were supposedly

8:51

wailing on them, the lady cracked. I'm

8:54

so sorry. She said we believe

8:56

I just saw the case on the news and

8:59

I made it up. She

9:02

really just wanted some attention. She told them,

9:05

you know, she just kinda got caught up in the

9:07

drama. To the detectives

9:09

working this case, None of whom had slept

9:11

for more than fifteen minutes since the moment

9:13

they found the body. This hit like a sledgehammer

9:15

to the ribcage. They were furious.

9:18

The best lead only lead really that

9:20

they'd had so far, and it just went up in a cloud

9:22

epixy dust, all because one pathetic dork

9:24

was desperate for attention. But

9:27

what could they do? They charged her with making

9:29

a false report and went back to work.

9:32

The funeral of lieutenant Glenway held

9:34

on Labor Day was the biggest one anybody

9:36

in Fox Lake had ever been to. Thousands

9:39

of people lined up along the streets to watch

9:41

the funeral procession.

9:43

officers from as far away as New York came

9:45

to pay tribute to the fallen hometown hero,

9:47

and they sent him off with full honors.

9:50

A local sign maker had put up signs

9:52

all over town with Joe's picture, and messages

9:54

like a hero remembered never dies.

9:56

At

9:57

the memorial, Joe's widow Melody looked

9:59

out

9:59

over a whole sea of tear stained faces

10:02

as she talked about losing her husband. They'd

10:04

been high school sweethearts, married for

10:06

twenty six years with four boys.

10:09

He was my hero, the love of my life

10:11

she told

10:11

the mourners, and

10:12

every night he came home to me.

10:15

Joe and Melody had always seemed to have an idyllic

10:18

family life, a standing lunch date

10:20

once a week, plus date night every Friday,

10:22

family vacations, the kind of relationship

10:24

us about everybody hopes for. It

10:26

seemed so unfair to everybody that it

10:28

should end like this. The town

10:30

gathered Melody and the kids up.

10:32

donations came flooding in.

10:34

Behind

10:35

the mournful pageantry of the funeral,

10:38

investigators were pouring over the crime scene

10:40

evidence trying to piece together the story

10:42

it had to tell them. Just like GIJ

10:44

it taught his police explorer kids to do.

10:47

And frustratingly, there really wasn't a lot of

10:49

evidence to be found. Tracing

10:52

Glenwood's path from his squad card to the spot

10:54

where he died, they discovered first a canister

10:56

of pepper spray that had obviously been fired

10:58

off.

10:59

A few feet past that, they found Glynowitz's

11:01

police baton,

11:03

a way down from that, his glasses, and

11:05

then the body. Joe had

11:07

been shot twice, one on the lower

11:09

torso in his bulletproof vest. That

11:11

didn't penetrate, but it left a gnarly

11:14

bruise that must have hurt like sin.

11:16

and a second shot right above the vest

11:18

and tilted downward. This

11:21

was the death shot. It had gone

11:23

into Glynuit's lung, causing him to drown

11:25

in his own blood, a rough, if

11:27

fairly quick way to go. They

11:29

found Joe's gun lying in the weeds a few feet

11:31

away from his body.

11:33

Later when ballistics examined the bullet,

11:35

they found something surprising.

11:37

The bullet that killed Joe was fired from his

11:39

own service weapon. The killers

11:41

must have wrestled it away from him in the struggle.

11:44

Not too hard to imagine when it's a three on one

11:46

fight, but man killed with his own gun,

11:48

execution style, No cop

11:50

wants to die that way.

11:53

The investigators also collected two

11:55

cell phones at the scene, one private

11:57

and one for work.

11:58

That one had been in the line

11:59

of fire and now had bullet hole in it.

12:02

But the forensic tech folks felt like they could

12:04

still retrieve the data. It would just take a little

12:06

while. So it wasn't nothing,

12:08

but it wasn't what they'd hoped for. Didn't

12:10

find anything dropped by the killers, didn't even

12:12

find any footprints, although that wasn't really

12:14

weird given the

12:15

swampy terrain. but

12:17

there was one thing that as they began to

12:19

put the timeline together, gave the detectives

12:21

pause.

12:23

The GPS and GI Joe's squad

12:25

car had, of course, recorded all his movements

12:27

that morning, and it showed that there had

12:29

been almost a half hour long

12:31

gap between when Glenowitz arrived at

12:33

the old concrete plant and when he called

12:35

it into dispatch. That

12:37

didn't fit exactly with what he told the dispatcher

12:40

and it was puzzling to say the least.

12:42

It

12:42

was enough to get the detectives looking hard

12:44

at Glenowitz background. They

12:46

thought, what if there was more to this than met

12:48

the eye? What

12:49

if g i Joe was involved in something

12:51

he didn't want anybody to know about? What

12:54

if he'd actually gone to the concrete

12:55

plant to meet somebody?

12:57

Right. Or what if the killer was somebody

13:00

he'd arrested in the past? What if they'd been

13:02

threatening him or his family? He told him,

13:04

meet me here, this included location,

13:06

and we'll work it out. And

13:08

Glenowitz was unwise enough to come alone.

13:11

No backup? Yeah.

13:12

I mean, if his family was being threatened, that

13:14

might explain that.

13:15

The investigators had already heard

13:18

a few rumors that suggested there might be a

13:20

few skeletons in GI Joe's closet. For

13:23

one thing, apparently, he was anything

13:25

but a faithful husband. It

13:27

might have been true that as Melody said

13:29

at Joe's memorial service, he always

13:31

came home to her. But

13:33

when he wasn't home, he was

13:35

up to some, I

13:38

guess, we'll call him shenanigans. He

13:41

had a mistress, a woman he'd met

13:43

through his work with the explorers, and

13:45

rumor had it, Melody was aware.

13:48

She'd come to his office one day to find

13:50

the two of them in there with the door closed, and

13:52

they both looked very disheveled and

13:55

red faced when she walked in on him. you

13:57

know, that kind of thing. You

13:59

don't have

13:59

to be a rocket surgeon

14:02

to figure it out.

14:04

Right.

14:05

The investigators talked to the woman, of course,

14:07

and she was

14:09

unhelpful,

14:10

basically just at all pissy and evasive and

14:13

refused to admit to anything, which of course meant

14:15

that the investigators came away feeling one

14:17

hundred percent certain that she was

14:19

Joe's mistress. Yeah. Exactly.

14:21

It's like you're trying to conceal the

14:23

truth, but you're just making it a hundred

14:25

times more obvious when you act like that.

14:28

Good job. Yeah. Great. a plus,

14:31

give her give her an Oscar.

14:32

And

14:34

when the detectives checked out Joe's social

14:36

media, they were immediately intrigued

14:38

by the amount of traveling Joe and his family had

14:40

done over past few years. We're

14:43

not talking a long weekend at Lake Michigan

14:45

here. We're talking luxury trips to

14:47

Hawaii. stuff like that. Not

14:49

to mention the humvee that he drove around town

14:51

in. Those are not cheap. The

14:55

investigators knew they couldn't

14:56

afford that kind of five star travel on a

14:58

police officer's salary.

14:59

So how could he? Melody

15:01

was a stay at home mom, so it wasn't her

15:04

money. They started looking at

15:06

the Glenowitz's financial records and they

15:08

were pretty much a full bouquet

15:09

of red flags.

15:11

Ten grand worth of credit card debt almost

15:14

five figures spent on a trip

15:15

to Hawaii,

15:16

two tax liens, one in 091

15:19

in twenty ten, and the cherry on

15:21

top. about seven hundred

15:23

bucks on adult websites, which

15:26

seems like a lot. I don't I don't

15:29

know much about that, but like,

15:30

That's a lot.

15:32

That really seems like a lot.

15:35

Alright. Clearly,

15:37

g i Joe was living

15:39

way above his pay grade.

15:42

And

15:42

his bank accounts showed a whole

15:44

slew of deposits with no clear explanation,

15:47

some for as much as seven thousand dollars

15:49

for one deposit. It was gonna

15:51

take a little while, but the investigators put

15:53

a couple of people on the financial records

15:55

and told them to dig as deeply as they needed

15:57

to. It seemed like this was going somewhere

15:59

important.

16:01

Meanwhile, detectives decided to look

16:03

at Glenowitz's personnel file.

16:06

You never know what you're going to find in an employee

16:08

file, especially an employee who's been with

16:10

the department for three decades like Joe had.

16:12

They wanted to find out if the whispers they'd

16:14

been hearing that Joe might not be as

16:16

heroic as everybody thought he was or

16:19

more than just rumors. So

16:21

they cracked open the file. And

16:24

what did it look like?

16:27

Oh, boy.

16:28

Let's put it this way. One

16:30

of the detectives involved in the investigation Chris

16:33

Cabelle later said, it's

16:35

unusual for somebody to be a lieutenant and

16:37

have a supervisory authority with

16:39

a personnel file looking like this. File

16:43

that one under great understatement in history.

16:46

Yeah. Here are

16:48

just a few charming highlights from

16:50

Joe's file from a twenty eighteen article

16:52

by Fox twenty nine Philadelphia.

16:55

In nineteen eighty eight, a colleague found

16:57

Joe passed out drunk in his truck with his

16:59

foot on the gas pedal and the engine revan.

17:03

So the other officer had Glenwood truck

17:05

towed away, and he took Mesquite, Mesquite

17:07

pants home, and I assume carried his drunk

17:09

ass into the house and dumped it on the nearest couch.

17:12

The next morning, when our boy woke up all hungover,

17:14

he had the gall to report

17:15

the trucks stolen.

17:18

And the personnel file specifically notes

17:20

that this was not the first time this shit

17:22

had happened. So

17:24

how in god's name? Is that not the end of

17:26

your law enforcement career right there?

17:29

but it gets worse. Later

17:31

that same year, Joe got written up for neglecting

17:33

to Frisk and arrestee. The

17:35

guy happened to have a life on him. And later

17:37

that night, a guard found him in his cell with it

17:39

threatening to kill himself. Scary,

17:42

potentially dangerous, potentially fatal

17:44

to the inmate situation that could have been avoided

17:46

if Glenowitz had been doing his damn job.

17:49

In the spring of two thousand and three, he got in

17:51

trouble for granting himself unauthorized access

17:54

to a call recording system. This

17:56

system was full of sensitive information

17:58

as you can imagine, stuff so private

18:00

that even the police chief wasn't supposed to have

18:02

access to it. and Glynowitz had just

18:04

finagled himself access without permission.

18:07

His punishment,

18:08

the chief made him lay out an explanation

18:11

of why he did it. which I swear

18:13

to god, has gotta be the piddiest

18:15

shit I've ever heard in my life. It's the disciplinary equivalent

18:18

of missus Carabopol making Bart Simpson

18:20

right I will not access classified materials

18:23

twenty five times

18:23

on the talk for

18:25

for God's sake. That's

18:28

same year, a woman under Glenwood's command

18:30

filed a complaint, alleging that a few years

18:32

earlier, Joe had coerced her into giving

18:34

him oral sex. She said

18:36

he basically cornered her in an office and

18:38

told her that if she wanted to advance in the department,

18:41

he was gonna need their relationship to move

18:43

beyond superior officers subordinate

18:45

was gonna need a relationship,

18:47

ship

18:48

meaning a blowjob apparently -- Ugh.

18:50

-- infuriating. But

18:51

of course, in the grand tradition of these things,

18:53

that case in ended up dismissed by a judge, and

18:56

g i Joe just went right on doing his thing.

18:58

Oh, no. Sorry. He got suspended for a month,

19:01

so I guess he learned his lesson.

19:04

Oh, wait. No. He didn't learn his lesson because

19:06

later that same year, still two thousand and

19:08

three, our boy got into an argument with

19:10

a dispatcher or some dumb thing. Like, she told him he

19:12

shouldn't be hanging out in the radio room and that hurt his

19:14

little fee fees or something. And he told her

19:16

that if somebody put a few bullets in her chest,

19:19

her body would never be found, you know, because

19:21

of all the handy little lakes and ponds in

19:23

the area. The

19:24

dispatcher looked at him like, And

19:27

then he left, which made her feel a little

19:29

bit better, like, oh, okay. That was

19:31

just a hilarious joke. Good. But

19:34

then the next day, Glenowitz popped back up

19:36

in the radio room with a gun in his

19:38

hand. He

19:39

walked around so he was standing right behind

19:41

the dispatcher's chair and then loudly

19:44

cocked the gun.

19:46

Now,

19:46

Shirley, he was fired

19:48

after that. Right? Mhmm. Yeah.

19:50

not so much. See, Jo Tole disappears

19:52

that he didn't mean any of this to be threatening

19:54

or scary. He was just Joshin. And

19:56

as far as I can tell, that was the end

19:58

of that.

19:59

Jesus, Jones. Yeah.

20:02

What's what's funny about that, Joe?

20:04

Quick quickly quickly, tell me.

20:07

What's this just for know, it's fine until,

20:09

like, totally

20:09

threatened to murder people, isn't it?

20:12

Everybody finds that hilarious. Yeah. I guess

20:14

she should have known that the lunatic that repeatedly

20:16

promised to kill her with a clear plan was

20:19

making a little jokey joke to

20:21

kill her body in late. Yeah. Hadn't she heard

20:23

that threatening to kill your call league is one

20:26

of the classics. It's right up there with knock knock

20:28

and why did the chicken cross the road?

20:30

It

20:30

was just who's on first. Basically, he was expecting

20:32

her to rip back. instead

20:35

of freeze and terror. Yeah. Jesus.

20:37

So two thousand and three

20:40

was apparently a big year for interesting

20:42

little items in Glenwood's personnel file

20:44

because in the fall of that same year. It

20:46

was all in one year. He got written up again.

20:49

This time for ordering one of his subordinates

20:51

to leave a crime scene totally unguarded

20:53

before any of the forensic texts had gotten there

20:56

because the next shift needed the squad

20:58

car. I swear to god. Holy

21:01

shit on a cracker. Like, forget about the fact

21:03

that he's a walking shit storm of, like, misogyny

21:05

and sexual misconduct. He's also just a

21:07

really shitty cop. So,

21:10

obviously, all this blew the detective's minds.

21:12

I mean, they were homicide detectives, so they didn't

21:14

have anything to do with this, like, patrol lieutenant

21:16

on a day to day basis. This is a different wheelhouse.

21:19

but it got even worse than that.

21:21

Yep.

21:22

The investigators also learned that in two thousand

21:25

nine, a letter arrived at the office of

21:27

the mayor at

21:27

the time now. This was a different mayor than

21:29

the one that Glenowitz was buds with

21:31

a few years later, signed by, quote,

21:33

anonymous members of the Fox Lake

21:35

Police Department. According

21:37

to CNN, the two page letter was

21:40

bursting at the scenes with examples of

21:42

GI Joe's drunken frat boy on spring

21:44

break behavior. from hauling

21:46

around town with various girlfriends to

21:48

getting kicked out of bars for getting messy

21:50

drunk and refusing to leave at closing time.

21:53

to sexually harassing and then threatening

21:55

to shoot a

21:55

police dispatcher, taking his family to

21:58

the Wisconsin Dells in his squad

22:00

car, letting kids from the

22:02

Explorer Club wear real police uniforms

22:04

and use real police equipment grabbing

22:06

women's boobs and getting a tattoo while

22:09

on duty.

22:10

Wow. It's

22:12

like a real American hero.

22:16

See, I do. Look, grabby boops. I

22:18

don't He'll get a tattoo when

22:20

he's supposed to work. It's wild to me.

22:23

Yeah. And apparently somebody had, like,

22:25

forget what the story on this is, but something

22:28

like someone had actually, like, donated

22:30

that as, like, a gift to the department or

22:32

something and he just, like, took it and

22:34

used it. While he was on duty

22:36

-- Yeah.

22:37

-- love that.

22:39

You did my job. Yes. Knowing

22:43

it's half the battle. Yeah.

22:45

I loved that show as a kid.

22:47

It's okay.

22:48

Now you'd think a letter like that

22:51

would be a real bombshell. Right?

22:53

like, the mayor, I would get two paragraphs

22:55

into that thing and then light up the phones at

22:57

internal affairs, like, get on this two

23:00

day.

23:00

We gotta investigate this chuckle head.

23:02

Mhmm. But no.

23:05

Apparently, the response was to

23:07

file a letter in Glenowitz's

23:10

employee file.

23:11

Wow.

23:13

Don't be too hard on him, guys. Everybody

23:15

makes mistakes.

23:16

Yeah. That's harsh.

23:19

For his part, GI Joe's good buddy,

23:21

Donnie Schmidt, the mayor in two thousand

23:23

fifteen, took a kind of

23:24

-- Mhmm. -- approach

23:27

once all this came to life.

23:28

He said, he'd never heard anybody

23:31

complain about Joe

23:32

and added that he didn't have

23:34

access to the personnel files.

23:37

And I love this. he said,

23:39

the only time I look at the file

23:41

is if there's a

23:42

discipline problem.

23:44

Okay. So you do have access

23:46

and -- Yeah. -- there clearly

23:48

was a discipline problem, dude, and

23:50

had been for years. Like, where the hell were

23:52

you? Plan golf with guy, I guess. Gross.

23:55

Mhmm. So you can see

23:57

why one of the officers involved in the case

23:59

later told

23:59

CNN that Glenowitz was a golden

24:02

child who must have had dirt on somebody

24:04

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24:06

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24:08

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28:09

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28:11

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28:14

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28:16

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28:18

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28:21

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Joe had been embezzling money

28:25

from the explorers

28:26

four years. And

28:29

the total amount stolen was just under

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sixty thousand. dollars That explained

28:34

the hummer in those expensive trips to Hawaii.

28:37

stunned that the investigators reached out to Anne

28:40

Marin, the new village administrator. They

28:43

knew she'd been working her way through all the departments,

28:45

and she got hired conducting audits. And

28:47

one of the departments she'd been auditing in recent

28:50

months was GI Joe's Explore program.

28:53

And Anne,

28:54

was eager to talk about what she'd found

28:57

out. When

28:58

she first met with Glenowitz, she'd

29:00

asked to see the equipment storage area for

29:02

the explorers. Now, this was a

29:04

boy scout's offshoot, and

29:06

lots of police departments have it. It's supposed

29:08

to be a fun way for kids to learn about

29:10

the basics of police investigations.

29:13

Yeah.

29:13

And what it's not supposed to be is

29:16

some kind of weird apocalypse now style

29:18

militia group, but That

29:20

is clearly what GI joke had been turning

29:23

it into. When he showed her the equipment

29:25

he'd ordered for the program and Marin had

29:27

to pick her job off the floor. the

29:29

storage room looked like the equipment room

29:31

for a military base. Boxes

29:34

upon boxes of stuff, a lot of it still

29:36

unopened. and didn't know this

29:38

at the time, but Glenwood was getting this equipment

29:40

from government program called LESSO, the

29:42

law enforcement support office. This

29:45

is supposed to provide necessary equipment,

29:47

surplus military gear specifically for

29:49

actual police work. And that's what

29:51

the folks that LESSO assumed they were doing when

29:53

they shipped out boxes and boxes of flat

29:55

jackets and helmets and communications gear

29:58

and god knows what else to the fox

29:59

like PD. and

30:01

they probably got that impression because GI

30:03

Jabroni was forging the police chief's

30:05

signature on the paperwork to order the stuff.

30:08

The actual police never saw a single

30:10

helmet. And even the explorers didn't

30:12

use a lot of it. It was just kinda sitting there in the

30:14

storage room, and nobody knows exactly why.

30:17

And Joe's explorers were learning some

30:19

intense shit. It wasn't just

30:21

like, here are the steps in a traffic stop,

30:23

or here's how to take a fingerprint. It

30:26

was SWAT Team tactics. It

30:28

was getting tased while two of your buddies

30:30

tried to hold you upright just to find out what it

30:32

feels like. It was getting fucking pepper sprayed

30:34

in the face. Joe ran them through

30:36

military style training exercises, way

30:39

more extreme than your usual explorers

30:41

program. some of the adults

30:43

close to the situation were a little uneasy

30:45

about it, felt like it was heading in a weird direction.

30:48

Sounds like Lord of the Flippen flies to me. Was

30:50

this man trying to build himself a child

30:52

army or what? because it really kinda sounds

30:54

like it's

30:54

me. Yeah. These kids are like one

30:57

connell away from descending into chaos.

30:59

But

31:00

Anyway, I guess we'll get

31:02

into motivations later. But point

31:04

is GI jerkface was being

31:06

way extra with the explorers, which I'm

31:08

was a ton of fun for them because teenagers

31:11

love this kind of shit. It gives them that intoxicating

31:14

feeling of belonging to something bigger than

31:16

they are. I'm sure they bonded with each other through the

31:18

training exercises. I mean, you don't get, like,

31:20

pepper spray in the face and don't and

31:22

don't bond over that. You know what I mean?

31:25

We bond through adversity. So that's all great.

31:27

But behind the scenes, beknownst to

31:29

everybody, Joe was stealing from them

31:32

and quietly amassing a huge

31:34

collection of military gear. Just

31:37

digest that for a second and let your

31:39

mind spin out the possibilities. Now,

31:41

if you know anything about the boy scout, you

31:43

know that these programs tend to have tiny

31:46

little budgets to work with. But

31:48

under Joe Glynowits, the explorers were

31:50

swimming in cash In a seven

31:52

year period, over a quarter of a million

31:55

dollars had flowed through the Explorer

31:57

program and about sixty grand of that

31:59

had ended up directly in Joe Glenowitz pocket.

32:02

As some of this was due to Joe's fancy

32:04

paperwork forging the chief signature on

32:06

orders and all that kind of stuff, some of it came

32:08

from fundraising, getting local businesses

32:11

to cough up, to help out the kids, you know.

32:13

And nobody had any idea kind of money

32:15

that was passing through Joe Glynowitz' fingers.

32:19

Nobody that is until village administrator

32:21

Anne Maren came Walton in one morning

32:23

and asked to see his paperwork.

32:25

Who had approved all this stuff? She

32:27

wanted to see the financials and she wanted to complete

32:30

inventory of all the equipment in the storage

32:32

room. Anne

32:33

was just doing her job, but to Glenowitz,

32:35

this was Defcon one. The

32:37

gravy train was screeching to a halt,

32:39

and g i Joe was stuck on the tracks.

32:42

So this was all pretty hot stuff.

32:44

And when they finally managed to get the data

32:46

off Glenowitz's busted up cell phone,

32:49

oh my god. in over

32:51

six thousand pages of texts,

32:53

which he'd, of course, tried to delete and

32:55

then shoot a bullet through, but, of course, they

32:57

found him anyway. one hell of

32:59

a picture co list. The

33:01

picture of a man who'd been up to his

33:03

crew cut hairdo and shit in the months before

33:06

his death and was well aware of it. One

33:08

of the first texts they recovered was one to

33:10

his adult son where he was basically like,

33:12

we have to figure out how to hide this money or

33:14

you're gonna be visiting me in prison.

33:17

Oh,

33:18

my god, Joe.

33:20

They can read deleted messages.

33:23

I ain't such a bad cop. Yep.

33:25

I

33:25

don't think we can I don't think we can

33:27

overstate this. He's maybe

33:29

the worst cop of all time.

33:30

I I think he's in the

33:31

running. I mean, there's there's there's a few

33:33

bad comps out there. Don't get me wrong. But For

33:36

sure.

33:36

But as far as, like, in the ballpark. But

33:38

as far as, like, capability goes,

33:40

terrible.

33:41

like, remove all the, like,

33:43

shit.

33:45

He had no business teaching anybody

33:47

in the world. crime scene. Like, let's

33:49

just Or if you use a taser You

33:53

should see the footage of those poor kids getting tased

33:55

too. Like, it's just they're just it hits them and they're just

33:57

looking

33:57

Yeah. That's horrible. These

33:59

are

33:59

children. The child are hearts.

34:02

So

34:04

the

34:05

there was a lot of back and forth with his

34:07

oldest son, like,

34:08

you've gotta put that money back or they're gonna

34:10

put me in jail. Clearly,

34:12

Joe wasn't the only Glenowitz family member

34:14

who been on the embezzlement gravy

34:16

train. It seemed like he'd been sharing

34:18

the take with his family and said family

34:21

was well aware of where the money was coming

34:23

from. and it got a lot

34:25

worse than that. In other

34:27

texts, Joe talked about reaching out to

34:29

a gang banger he knew to try and

34:31

take care of Anne Marin deep

34:33

village administrator. His

34:35

hatred of her just oozed off the page,

34:37

and it seemed to the investigators that once

34:39

he'd realized the hit wasn't going happen

34:41

in time, he'd resigned himself to the

34:43

next best option. He

34:46

couldn't stand to lose his real American hero

34:48

reputation. For a

34:50

guy like Joe, losing face

34:52

would be a fate worse than death. So

34:54

he came to a decision that would be unthinkable for

34:57

most of us. Take

34:59

his own life and make it look like a murder.

35:02

That way, he could go out in a blaze of glory.

35:04

Cut down in the line of duty as he gravely

35:07

went one against three in an attempt to

35:09

protect the people of Fox Lake.

35:12

And if the investigators bought his

35:14

death as a murder, his family would

35:17

get his full pension. They'd

35:19

only get seventy five percent if he took his

35:21

own life.

35:22

The day Joe was supposed to turn over the

35:24

paperwork to Anne Marin was the day of

35:26

his death. The

35:28

puzzle pieces were all coming together. Evidence

35:31

at the scene or lack thereof a

35:33

lack of defensive wounds on Joe's body,

35:36

politics that showed he was shot with his

35:38

own gun, everything pointed to

35:40

one inescapable conclusion. So

35:44

on November fourth two thousand fifteen,

35:46

after a tense meeting with Melody Glynowits

35:48

and her oldest son to give them heads

35:51

up, The Fox Lake PD held

35:53

a press conference to break the news.

35:56

We have concluded with overwhelming evidence

35:59

that Joe Glenowitz's death was a carefully

36:01

staged suicide.

36:01

A

36:03

Chicago Tribune reporter, Lisa

36:05

Black put it. Everybody's jaws

36:07

dropped. As

36:10

you can imagine, the town took it big.

36:12

It was an unbelievable betrayal,

36:15

especially for the kids who looked up to Glenowitz's

36:18

role model, I mean, this guy had been honored

36:20

at a Chicago bears game. The

36:22

governor of Illinois had ordered all flags

36:24

to be flown at half massed. and

36:26

a moment of silence for him on the floor of the

36:28

senate. This case had made national

36:31

news. People

36:34

quickly got to work facing the signs

36:36

all over town, changing hero to

36:38

zero, writing liar and loser

36:40

across

36:40

GI Joe's smiling face,

36:42

Good job, guys. I I

36:44

especially like the hero zero thing, well done.

36:47

Genuinely, the most hardworking Americans

36:49

are those that have vandalized signs to make them funny.

36:52

Like, there's there was a candidate where

36:54

I live whose name could be altered

36:57

to look like a pretty bad swear word.

36:59

and so many of his signs

37:01

were altered. I I love to see you

37:03

folks. Keep up the good news. Please carry on.

37:05

Yes. People

37:08

who have donated money to the Glenowitz family

37:10

after Joe's death started clamoring

37:12

for their money back.

37:14

Yeah.

37:15

For their part, the family insisted

37:17

it was a lie that Joe had been looking forward

37:19

to his retirement and he'd never take his own

37:21

life. I comment enough reaction for

37:23

family that doesn't surprise me. And

37:26

some people didn't believe it, at least not at

37:28

first. It was easier to suspect

37:30

some kind of cover up or conspiracy

37:33

than to admit to yourself that somebody

37:35

you loved and looked up to wasn't who you thought

37:37

he was. But ultimately, as

37:39

one former explorer put it, you

37:42

have to come to your senses and believe the

37:44

facts in front of you.

37:46

But not everybody was surprised. Some

37:49

people had seen it coming. In

37:51

fact, as early as a day or two into

37:53

the case, one former explorer had

37:55

heard from a friend in the Fox Lake PD

37:57

that the murder was really a suicide. In

38:00

one of the initial reports from the scene, an

38:02

officer wrote that he suspect its suicide.

38:05

Because, you know, there was really no

38:07

evidence of a struggle or of anybody

38:09

else at scene besides Joe.

38:13

So as far as they were able to piece it together,

38:15

here's the theory of what Glenowitz did that

38:17

day. He went about his usual morning

38:19

routine at first, stopping at the gas station for

38:21

a couple packs the cigarettes was not to alert

38:23

anybody that anything was wrong. The

38:26

investigators believed that while he was at the gas

38:28

station, he actually saw those three day workers

38:30

on their way to the diner for breakfast. and

38:32

decided on the spot to use them as

38:34

his imaginary

38:35

attackers Mhmm. --

38:36

because he described them to a tee.

38:39

And

38:39

then he headed for the swampy area

38:41

around the concrete plant. A place he was

38:43

more than familiar with after training his explorers

38:45

there for years and a place where there had been multiple

38:48

complaints of trespassing in ficious activity.

38:50

He

38:51

parked his squad car,

38:52

and then for the next half hour, he did what

38:54

he'd done so many times before for his explorers.

38:57

He staged a crime scene.

38:59

discharged his pepper spray, then threw the can

39:01

down on the ground,

39:03

a few feet down, he tossed his baton,

39:05

and then and this part must have sucked.

39:08

He fired his gun right into his bulletproof

39:11

vest, carefully aiming so the

39:13

bullet would go through his cell phone.

39:14

I'm

39:15

sure he figured that would destroy all those incriminating

39:18

texts.

39:18

No.

39:20

Bad dude, bad cop, bad haircut.

39:23

Is there anything he wasn't bad at?

39:26

And

39:27

then after he recovered from the

39:29

sledgehammer blow of that shot to the vest,

39:31

he radioed dispatch. I'm chasing

39:33

three subjects into the woods, go ahead and start

39:35

somebody, and then it was time. As

39:38

his backup pulled up on the abandoned squad car

39:40

and started looking around for him, Glenwood pulled

39:42

open, his bulletproof vest at the neckline,

39:45

carefully aimed his weapon down into his

39:47

chest and fired. What he was

39:49

thinking in those final moments, we can never know

39:51

for sure, but a man willing to take

39:53

his own life rather than face the consequences

39:56

of his actions. I'm sure it was all

39:58

about him. You know,

39:59

when

39:59

I was a kid something like this happened in my hometown,

40:02

I didn't know the person involved but my parents

40:04

did and she was supposedly really well liked and

40:06

well respected like Joe, and then one

40:08

day, she threw herself off a high bridge into

40:11

a river outside town, took her own life,

40:13

and afterwards, it came out that she'd

40:15

been embezzling money from the place where she

40:17

worked and she was about to get caught. And

40:19

it was just too much for her, I guess.

40:21

And this is a thing in financial crimes.

40:24

We see it a lot and think it has

40:26

to do with the personality profile of

40:28

the Imbezler. They tend to be people

40:30

who don't need to steel to survive.

40:32

They're doing it because they want money and status.

40:35

They want a fancier lifestyle than their job

40:37

is giving them, and it's partly about greed,

40:39

but it's also very much about image.

40:41

Yeah. I mean, they certainly don't ever

40:44

square it away for rainy day. They they

40:46

never put it in savings. It's all humvees

40:48

and beach vacations and new gadgets. We've

40:50

seen the story a million times before.

40:52

Yeah. And for a certain type

40:54

of person, that golden child image is

40:56

more important than anything else,

40:58

anything. It's more important than life itself.

41:01

If

41:01

Joe Glenowicz had faced the music, he probably

41:03

would have gotten off as lightly as financial criminals

41:06

usually do, especially if their first defense.

41:08

He might have done a few years in prison, but I'd actually

41:10

be surprised if it was a lot. He'd probably have

41:12

to have like make restitution, do community service,

41:15

few years of probation, I'm sure he would have lost his

41:17

job, but that wasn't the issue

41:19

for him. You

41:20

know, it was genius for him to start handling

41:22

that explorer program because aligning yourself

41:24

with kids is the

41:26

perfect cover for somebody like this.

41:28

because everybody

41:28

thinks, oh, look at this grizzled macho man

41:30

of a cop. He's really just an old softy.

41:33

He gets to come across like a selfless role

41:35

model, sacrificing tons of his own time

41:37

to make a difference in the lives of these kids when

41:39

behind the scenes. he's using the program

41:42

as his own personal ATM, all

41:44

while soaking up the kids' hero worship, which

41:46

would have

41:46

been catnip for a guy like this.

41:49

So yeah,

41:50

The issue was not the punishment he was gonna

41:52

have to face in the courts. The issue was

41:54

the loss of face. That idea

41:56

was just intolerable for him.

41:59

So much so that

41:59

suicide actually made more sense.

42:03

The fox lake wasn't finished with the glenewitz's.

42:06

Oh, no, it wasn't.

42:08

About

42:08

six months after Joe's death, his wife,

42:10

Melody, was indicted on a whole list of felony

42:13

charges. Money laundering, dispensing

42:15

charitable funds without authority and

42:17

for personal benefit, all sorts of nasty

42:19

stuff. She eventually plead guilty

42:21

to helping her late husband embezzle the money

42:23

from the explorers program and change for

42:25

twenty four months probation and a slew of

42:27

other charges being dropped.

42:30

Yeah.

42:30

Although even as she was taking the guilty plea,

42:32

she tried to minimize and deny her involvement.

42:34

So never came right out and said, yeah, I did

42:36

this. It was just like, oh, I just wanna put it behind

42:38

me and all that kind of stuff they always say.

42:40

It

42:41

also looked like their adult son, DJ,

42:43

was headed for charges for while too, but there wasn't

42:45

quite enough evidence

42:45

to make them stick. All

42:47

they can really prove is that DJ and

42:49

his dad texted back and forth a lot about

42:51

some incriminating stuff, but mostly incriminating

42:54

Diddy Joe. So there just wasn't enough

42:56

to nail DJ. And

42:58

the people I feel worse for in this story

43:00

are the kids who looked up to this guy. It's

43:02

for them, this has been a real grieving process

43:04

not to mention a horrendous blow to their ability

43:07

to, you know, ever trust anybody again.

43:09

much for looking up to the adults in your life. Right,

43:11

guys? Those kids love

43:13

Joe Glennowitz with the kind of fierce loyalty

43:16

that kids save for the favorite adults in their

43:18

lives. And if you've ever been lucky enough to be on the

43:20

receiving end of that kind of love, you know how great

43:22

it is. Yeah. And the fact that

43:24

he could take that love and exploit it for

43:26

little bit of money tells us all we need

43:28

to know about the kind of man he was, not

43:31

to mention the fact that he chose three

43:33

real people to describe to the dispatcher.

43:36

Those three guys could have been arrested and charged

43:38

or worse if the investigators hadn't been

43:40

as on the ball as they were. Three

43:42

innocent people could have gone to jail for a crime

43:45

they did not commit. I

43:47

think that absolutely could have

43:49

happened Mhmm. -- because, you know,

43:51

of the general hysteria that have anytime

43:53

a cop is killed in the line of duty,

43:56

and they're not always looking as hard as

43:58

these guys were looking at the evidence.

43:59

I think it's absolutely possible

44:01

that those three guys could have gone to prison, and

44:04

that is the hiccup. So

44:06

what we're left with at the end of the story is yet

44:08

again, the ripple effect of damage that

44:10

a narcissistic dick way like this can

44:12

do to himself, to his family,

44:15

to the people who loved and respected him, and in

44:17

this case, to a whole town, And I think

44:19

it gets worse than that because in this case,

44:21

we have a situation where there had been

44:23

years of complaints against this guy. It's not

44:25

like his mask was, like, perfectly in

44:27

place. plenty of people had tried

44:29

to sound the alarm and nothing ever got done.

44:31

I mean,

44:31

that's an extraordinary thing for a

44:33

bunch of people to get together and write a letter

44:35

to the mayor.

44:36

about a police officer. That's

44:38

extraordinary and nothing got

44:40

done. One of the main investigators got

44:43

really choked up about the case on one of the TV

44:45

shows about it. He was like, until this case

44:47

I'd always been proud to be a police officer, but

44:49

this made me ashamed. It's

44:51

like,

44:52

yeah. I mean, yeah, you kinda

44:54

should be. you should be, you should all be because

44:56

you turned your back on a mountain of

44:58

evidence that this guy was a wrong in.

45:00

And when do you think was gonna happen?

45:03

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45:05

not do that anymore. k? Time

45:07

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45:10

you know,

45:12

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45:16

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45:16

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