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good sense right to the curb. For.

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Is Love will tear us apart. The

1:59

murder of Larry. Mommy. One

2:15

Hundred Lanyard just north of the little

2:18

town of London. California February fifth: Two

2:20

thousand and Two. Three. Men

2:22

and spent the day out work in in the fields and

2:24

one of them had is doggy with them. Around

2:27

four pm the dog started barking like mad

2:29

he'd found something and being a very good

2:31

boy he wanted to tell us people have

2:33

at it. But. The farm

2:35

workers were not so much excited as

2:37

horrified by the discovery. Their. Dog

2:40

had found a human leg bone sticking up

2:42

from the dirt in a shallow ditch between

2:44

the fields. The. Bone was

2:46

bear all the flesh having been eaten

2:48

by local wildlife. The. Workers

2:51

hurried home and called their boss who then

2:53

called the sheriff's. Department. Detective.

2:55

Deborah several took the call and had an

2:57

idea of what the farm workers had probably

3:00

found. The previous years she

3:02

testified at the trials of Lauren Herzog

3:04

and Wesley Sherman seen the serial killer

3:06

pair and known as the Speed Freak

3:09

Killers. They. Killed at least

3:11

four people and possibly dozens. More across

3:13

San Joaquin County in the eighties and nineties

3:15

and not all of the victims remains have

3:17

been sound. So. She thought maybe

3:19

that's what they had. That

3:21

when she got to the scene detective

3:24

several so right away that Herzog and

3:26

Sherman teen couldn't a very disparity. They'd

3:28

been arrested three years ago and this

3:30

shallow grave was France just a few

3:33

weeks old. It

3:35

didn't take long for investigators to uncover

3:37

the buried body which wasn't very deep.

3:39

It's not that unusual for killers to start digging a

3:41

grave and than half ass it when they realize was

3:43

hard work. It is. The. Buried

3:46

body was that of a middle aged man,

3:48

kind of a big guy wearing boxer. Shorts

3:50

and a torn t shirt. A.

3:52

Barbed wire tattoo wrapped around his

3:54

left bicep. The. Body

3:56

was position strangely in a sort

3:58

of fetal position. Would you know

4:00

that weird in itself? But it is when

4:02

the body like this one is buried on

4:05

its back. Detective. Chef

4:07

all then had another idea about who this body

4:09

might be. The. Disappearance of

4:11

Sacramento attorney Larry Mcnabb Knee had

4:13

been getting significant media attention across

4:16

Central California. But. Larry had

4:18

gone missing back in September, and

4:20

this body hadn't decomposed nearly long

4:22

enough. The. Bodies identity wasn't

4:24

the only mystery. The. Forensic

4:27

pathologists found no significant injuries to

4:29

the body know gunshots know blunt

4:31

trauma. No broken bones. There.

4:33

Wasn't any indication of why this guy was

4:35

dead and all. The. Only

4:37

injury was an intra muscular hemorrhage on the

4:40

upper back which didn't come within a country

4:42

mile of be and fatal. Wound

4:44

mystery was swiftly solve, though. The.

4:47

Fingerprints from the body did indeed match those

4:49

of Larry Mcnerney, the fifty three year old

4:51

attorney who'd been missing for. Five months.

4:54

As to the bodies relatively good condition,

4:56

well, they knew it hadn't been frozen

4:59

because that would have caused obvious tissue

5:01

damage, but mighty have been kept in

5:03

a refrigerator. That. Made

5:05

sense. Larry was six feet

5:07

tall and weighed two hundred pounds is he'd

5:10

been crammed tightened to a refrigerator. That could

5:12

explain the injury to his back, which would

5:14

have been pressed hard against the side. They.

5:17

Would also explain the weird curled up

5:19

positioning of the body. Whoever.

5:22

Had put Larry into the refrigerator, would have had to

5:24

fold him up tight like that. To said I'm in.

5:27

The. Pathologist examples of Larry's hair, blood,

5:29

brain, and stomach contents. Because if

5:31

Larry hadn't been killed by any

5:34

obvious injuries, that suggested a more

5:36

subtle mesut. Poison. But.

5:39

Who would want? Larry Mcnabb need dead? Investigators.

5:43

Actually had a head start. On that question. Larry.

5:45

Had been missing for five months and they'd already

5:48

piece together a picture of would have been

5:50

a pretty wild and messy live. Mary.

5:53

Was born in Reno. Nevada and Nineteen Forty

5:55

Eight to an upper middle class family that

5:57

seem to have everything going for it on

5:59

the outside. Inside. The

6:01

home things were tougher. Larry's.

6:03

Dad James who everyone called Max,

6:05

was distant and demanding with his

6:07

two boys. He'd. Been drafted

6:09

to serve in both World War Two and

6:12

Korea, and everyone who knew him said Mack

6:14

had come home colder and harder. He'd.

6:16

Also come home with a serious drinking

6:19

problem. A significant proportion

6:21

of a person's predisposition substance abuse can

6:23

come from genetics and both leery and

6:25

his older brother Jimmy inherited this problem

6:28

from their dad. Mack. Demanded

6:30

that his sons excel both academically

6:32

and athletically. And they did. Leering,

6:35

Mostly went along with what his dad

6:37

wanted except when it came to the

6:39

ladies cause you know teenagers will literally

6:41

drop dead before they'll date for their

6:43

parents want them to. Mack.

6:46

Didn't approve of Larry's high school girlfriend

6:49

on up a genie and the party's

6:51

a boisterous Italian American family didn't like.

6:53

Mack either. They. Thought he had a

6:55

giant stick up his ass. So.

6:58

In his one real act of youthful rebellion,

7:00

Larry married Donna and his junior year of

7:02

college, and they had a daughter soon after.

7:06

Donna was already thinking she'd made a mistake

7:08

and marrying Larry. That's not unusual when high

7:11

school sweethearts can hedged, especially when the groom

7:13

kind a mainly did add to this of

7:15

his dad. And

7:18

leery had started drinking. He.

7:20

Was a friendly outgoing guy, always ready

7:22

with a joke and the last, but

7:24

when he drank. All. That turned

7:26

dark. He gets and

7:28

mean quick with insult thrown jokes.

7:32

In. Nineteen seventy They moved to Sacramento

7:34

Solaris go to law school, but

7:36

Donna was pretty miserable there. She.

7:39

Hated being alone with Larry and away from

7:41

her family. Within. A month she

7:43

moved back home and filed for divorce. Divorce.

7:47

In Reno is famously fast and six

7:49

weeks later their marriage was over. Wow.

7:52

Nineteen. Seventy was a nightmare year

7:54

for Larry. Just. A month

7:57

after Donna divorced him, his mom

7:59

Murray filed. The divorce from make

8:01

whose drinking had gotten progressively worse.

8:04

When. Mack drink these days. He was abusive

8:06

and Murray was set up. A

8:08

week after she filed, Max took his own

8:10

life with a gun. Com.

8:13

Man. Yeah and it gets

8:15

worse. By. This point, Larry elder

8:17

brother, Jimmy, had been in the Navy for

8:19

two years, where he developed a heroine problem.

8:22

Three. Weeks after max that Jimmy

8:24

intentionally overdosed and ended his own

8:26

life. On like a holy shit

8:28

and right on the heels of divorce Ike

8:30

I can't even imagine. That's horrific

8:33

and it's hard. To say would

8:35

affect others had on Larry. In the span

8:37

of a couple months, he lost most of

8:39

the people closest to him. It. Had

8:41

to be devastating. So it's probably no

8:44

surprise that Larry would have trouble making

8:46

lasting relationships for the rest of his

8:48

knife. Not. That

8:50

it sucked in from trying. In

8:52

Nineteen Seventy Three, he married for the

8:54

second time to on the name Jody

8:56

and adopted her five year old daughter.

8:59

The. Next year Larry graduated near the top of

9:01

this class from law school. He worked for

9:04

a few years is a public defender before

9:06

going into private practice with his buddy Ron

9:08

Bath. They. Were good match.

9:10

Larry. Was a brilliant trial lawyer, super sharp

9:13

and fast on his feet while Bath was

9:15

more careful and ran the business side of

9:17

the partnership. This

9:19

was good because while Larry never had

9:21

much trouble making money throughout his life,

9:23

he did have trouble keeping in. Run.

9:26

Death later said if Larry the to buck he

9:28

spent a dollar Thirty. If you made a hundred

9:30

dollars he'd spend a hundred and thirty. If you

9:32

made a million he'd spend one point three. Larry.

9:37

Was still drinking and by now he'd

9:39

added cocaine and sometimes heroin to the

9:41

max. Bass. And as secretary had

9:43

to cover for him in court a lot when he

9:45

was too drunk or high. Yeah,

9:48

self medicating grief I suspect.

9:50

Sure. He. Went

9:52

to Rehab off and on and it would

9:54

always work for a while, but it never

9:56

stuck and neither does his marriage. To

9:58

jody. By. Ninety. Did you?

10:00

They split and within a year and

10:02

Larry was married to wife number three,

10:04

Gail Fredericks. Just. A month later,

10:07

he hit the legal jackpot with a

10:09

massive multi victim case against a local

10:11

school. The. Settlement with the schools

10:13

ensures netted Larry a monthly payment of

10:15

thirty seven hundred dollars until two thousand.

10:17

And four. Which would be

10:20

pretty sweet even now. see Nineteen Eighty

10:22

Three? That's the equivalent of eleven thousand

10:24

dollars a month. To. Him.

10:27

And. By now Larry was thirty five

10:29

years old. He'd already defended some high

10:32

profile criminal cases, but the school settlement

10:34

had given him real wealth. Most.

10:36

Of us would be set for life in

10:38

the situation, but Larry had a destructive streak

10:40

a mile wide. He hit the

10:42

booze and drugs even harder and the Jekyll

10:45

and Hyde side effects. Got worse. When.

10:47

He was sober. Larry was great to be around.

10:50

When. He was drunk. He could be kind of a brick. His.

10:53

Wife Gail of course got to see Mr. Hyde

10:55

more than anybody else on their marriage. Fell apart

10:57

and Nineteen Eighty Six. I

10:59

think a lot of us have at least

11:02

one friend who is absolutely terrified of being

11:04

single. And alone, so they tend to

11:06

just corinne from one relationship to the

11:08

next won't. That with Larry and the ink

11:10

was barely dry on his latest divorced when

11:12

he got married for the fourth time to

11:14

a fellow attorney name's Linda Gardner. The.

11:17

Ceremony took place in an expensive cabin

11:19

myriad built in the hills south of

11:21

Reno. Afterwards his mom Murray told

11:23

one a Larry's old friends that this was the

11:25

last one a Larry's weddings she was gonna go

11:27

to. So. Murray apparently

11:29

didn't have a lotta hope that this marriage. Would

11:32

take but dang mom. maybe keep your mouse at.

11:34

Least until they put the H E Pets

11:36

in your romps sitting a summer in the

11:38

audience at your wedding like as the last

11:41

one of. These I'm coming to have

11:43

a home. She was right though. Larry

11:45

filed for divorce within a year and sold

11:47

the cabin for tens of thousands of dollars

11:50

less than added cost him to build. Out.

11:54

Nineteen. Eighty Eight was another bad

11:56

year for Larry. He. Was defending

11:59

a pair of brothers, the massive

12:01

meth distribution case with two dozen

12:03

defendants, and mountains of evidence. It.

12:05

Would be one of the largest

12:07

longest criminal trials in Us history,

12:09

with the transcript eventually running to

12:11

almost twenty five thousand pages. It.

12:14

Was incredibly tedious work for the most part

12:16

and all the attorneys were having a rough

12:18

time with the case, but Larry had a

12:20

breakdown. Nine. Months into the

12:22

case, the judge call them midmorning recess.

12:25

As. The lawyers filed out of court. Larry said

12:27

I can't take it anymore. The.

12:29

Other lawyers laughed when they all felt the same

12:31

way during this case. The

12:33

larry didn't come back after the recess.

12:36

The. Proceedings couldn't move forward without him, so the

12:38

judge asked one of the clerks to track him

12:41

down. right? Then one of

12:43

the other lawyers got a call from Larry. He.

12:45

Said he was sitting at home with a bottle

12:47

of whiskey and a gun. Trying. To

12:50

figure out what to do. His.

12:52

Friends rushed over and com Larry down

12:54

and helped him check into a rehab

12:56

facility. When. One of them called

12:58

the Rehab. Later on, he could hear Larry shouting in

13:00

the background, I won't go back He can't make me

13:03

go back. I won't do it. He.

13:05

Was just completely burned out. After.

13:08

He came out a rehab Larry wanted nothing to

13:10

do with his old life. He. Got

13:12

a new girlfriend, a hairdresser name's Cheryl

13:14

who was calm and patient and twenty

13:16

just took care of him. He.

13:19

Rented a dumpster and throughout all

13:21

his old files, legal books, suits

13:23

and ties like he was done.

13:25

With. The law and with his old life

13:28

and he realized that his monthly school settlement

13:30

income gave him the freedom to do pretty

13:32

much whatever he wanted. To. Must be

13:34

nice me. He. Took up carpentry

13:36

and soon moved with Cheryl and her

13:38

three girls to the little town of

13:40

Yelm, Washington. Where. He would later

13:43

described as time Up North was Cheryl as the

13:45

happy a seat ever been. They. Were

13:47

years of peace and kinda sorta

13:49

enlightenment. See. Young Washington isn't

13:51

famous for a whole hell of a lot,

13:53

but one thing it is known for his

13:56

being the home of the Shining Tower a

13:58

bullshit known as Raamses School and. The

14:00

moment? Where Did. some of

14:02

our old veterans will remember has cropped up in

14:04

a T C C case before. Now

14:07

it would be easy to get sidetracked with romper

14:09

so we're gonna go through things pretty fast, but

14:11

trust me, it's a fun rabbit hole. In.

14:14

The Nineteen Seventies. Judy Night was a

14:16

blonde, pretty cable Tv executive who went

14:18

by the name Jay Z. For.

14:21

Duty Zebra. The. Second part coming

14:23

from an old nickname she'd gotten when her mom

14:25

and first has been pressured her into dying her

14:27

blonde hair. Dark brown and of course

14:29

that made it grew out to

14:31

towns thus Judy Zebra. The.

14:34

Seventies were big on the mystical

14:36

power pyramids which apparently could do

14:38

everything from cure impotence to keep

14:40

your razors always soup. And

14:42

Nineteen Seventy Six, the Curious Duties

14:44

made a pyramid out of construction

14:46

paper in her kitchen and and

14:49

an explosion of blue, light and

14:51

golden glitter. A seven foot tall

14:53

man appeared dressed in robes, purple

14:55

and Hayden pure light. whatever the

14:57

shit that me says. This

15:00

was wrong, sir. a warrior king

15:02

who lived thirty five thousand years

15:04

ago and the now sunken and

15:06

entirely fictional lands of The Maria

15:08

in the Indian Ocean. The.

15:10

Mighty Ramsar conquered most of the planet

15:13

and accrued such wisdom and tower that

15:15

at the end of his life he

15:17

didn't die, but ascended to a higher

15:19

plane. or he had since been joined

15:21

by Jesus, Mohamed, and Buddha. And

15:24

now in Nineteen Seventy Six, Rosa had

15:26

chosen to bring his message of enlightenment

15:28

to the modern world through the holy

15:30

vessel of a thirty year old cable

15:32

tv exec in the Tacoma suburbs. Who

15:34

looks can like Barbra Streisand. Because why

15:36

the hell not? Rounds

15:40

I would possess duties body and speak through

15:42

her, promoting a message that was a grab

15:44

bag of late seventies new age weirdness and

15:46

self help. Judy could

15:48

salon quite a show and she's

15:51

last round. The were soon touring

15:53

to ever increasing crowds. Soon.

15:55

She said at the School of Enlightenment in

15:57

sleepy little Yelm. In between.

16:00

Lecture tour than classes and books

16:02

and videotapes. Wrong though was soon

16:04

raking in the cash. And

16:06

Miss Judy zebra was something of a

16:08

minor cookie celebrity. Shoes. On

16:10

the Merv Griffin show. And ladies, and

16:13

if you're wondering what kind of accent

16:15

a thirty five thousand year old Le

16:17

Myriad warrior as the answer is kinda

16:19

like if The Count on Sesame. Street's.

16:22

Sort in a worse Shakespeare production you've

16:24

ever seen. A.

16:26

London one long con artist.

16:29

Ah ah ah. Made.

16:32

Absolute shit. piles of money doing it

16:34

to like built one of the biggest

16:36

Manson the west coast had ever seen

16:38

have to that point. And if you've

16:40

ever driven down seventeen mile drive in

16:42

California you know that is say and

16:44

think the there are some obscene and

16:46

others out there there's big money and

16:48

enlightenment especially if you have the skills

16:50

of a small town community theater actor

16:52

and know like messy conscience or sense

16:54

of shame to get on your way.

16:58

Larry. Who had just had a

17:00

breakdown attended round the classes and retreats.

17:03

He changed his name to Sean Tar

17:05

for a while and worked as carpenter

17:07

meditating. Every morning living the kind of

17:09

peaceful, stress free existence as a lot easier

17:11

to pull off when you're pulling and thousands

17:14

of dollars a month in settlement money. As

17:18

to how much of jeezy nights big

17:20

bag of bullshit Larry actually believed? I

17:22

guess somewhere between very little and none

17:24

at all. spirituality doesn't seem to have

17:27

been a big part of his life,

17:29

and he had a deep well of

17:31

criminal defense attorney cynicism. But.

17:33

He was curious about new ideas and he

17:35

liked the pace of life. In the Pacific North.

17:39

In. The early nineties, Larry's mom died

17:41

and by this point Mary was

17:43

getting kind of bored and Romper

17:45

had lost. It's lesser moving as

17:47

colts always do from Bees are

17:50

lessons, Ebell lies to you. better

17:52

do what we tell you and

17:54

give us all your money which

17:56

was. Not gonna fly with a free

17:58

spirit like Larry. It was

18:00

time for a new life again, one in the

18:02

same ballpark as his old one. He.

18:06

And Cheryl moved back to Reno and Larry

18:08

set about trying to become the biggest personal

18:10

injury lawyer in the state. If.

18:12

You live in an American city of

18:14

any size. There's probably one local attorney

18:16

who's always on billboards and commercials promising

18:18

to get your money if you've ever

18:21

been hurt. Sleep. On

18:23

Pp at the Walmart call. The Hammer

18:25

wheel gets you the money you deserve.

18:30

This is pretty much kind of thing Larry

18:32

was going for. He had no interest at

18:34

all And getting back and said court, he'd

18:36

use heavy advertising to ensure a high volume

18:38

of cases. If he couldn't get an immediate

18:40

settlement, he'd farm the cases out to other

18:42

lawyers getting a commission. If a one. Larry.

18:45

Had inherited some cash from his mother

18:47

and grandmother and cast in his monthly

18:50

school settlement payments. This. Money

18:52

seated the most important parts of the

18:54

operation, advertising an glitzy offices to give

18:56

the impression of a successful high. Rolling

18:59

operation. Soon. Larry

19:01

often on horseback and where I attend all

19:03

enhance was a familiar sight on T V's

19:05

across western of it. And

19:08

it worked. With any year,

19:10

business was booming so big the.

19:12

Company could hardly keep up. Larry

19:14

bought a fancy new house and started playing

19:16

a lot. Of Golf. His.

19:19

Set up. Didn't actually require him to

19:21

do much. Nothing was going to core

19:23

and he had paralegals and freshly graduated

19:25

young lawyers to process cases. He

19:28

shot ads, popped. Into the office every now

19:30

and then. And the money. robin. And.

19:32

Also ruled out. Mcnabb.

19:35

Knee and Associates. There. Were

19:37

no associates. I was just a good name. Was spending

19:39

upwards of sixty grand a month

19:41

on advertising. Overall they were

19:44

barely breaking even, which is not

19:46

bad for a one year old

19:48

business, but Larry saw they needed

19:50

more cases to really take off.

19:52

So he expanded from Reno to

19:54

Elko and unfortunately. Las Vegas.

19:57

Compared. To Reno Vegas was big time.

20:00

Larry set up a big time. authors of

20:02

fancy wood paneling and deep carpet. Exactly what

20:04

you'd expect a high class successful law office

20:06

to look like. He. Got a

20:09

condo in Vegas and split his time. Between there

20:11

and Reno. but. He needed an office manager

20:13

to run the Vegas operation. Full time. When.

20:16

The applicants for the position was a

20:19

tall, beautiful young woman named Lisa Rebels

20:21

Burger and Larry sell for her right

20:23

away. Rentals Burger was the

20:25

last name of a sucker she'd married

20:27

and quickly divorce. The previous year. Elizabeth

20:30

or Elissa was even more fake

20:32

a name seat adopted from an old

20:34

prison. Buddy. Her real name

20:37

was Laura and Sims. Learned.

20:39

Was born in Massachusetts and nineteen sixty

20:41

six that moves to Brooksville, Florida when

20:43

she was just a little girl. And

20:46

if she didn't quite have a silver spoon in her

20:48

mouth, it was at least silver plated. Her.

20:50

Family were prominent local business owners.

20:53

Learn. Was a real bright kid. Her I

20:55

Q apparently tested out at one forty and

20:57

she was friendly and popular, although with the

20:59

kind of stubborn streak that's real cute when

21:01

a kid seven met has the potential to

21:03

become a nightmare a few years down. The

21:05

road. See also learned

21:07

how to talk her way out of trouble. When.

21:10

She started driving. a friend saw her use a

21:12

couple different methods to get out of a ticket.

21:14

One. Was the old standard of smiling and

21:16

flirting and saying she was also sorry of use

21:18

that one myself a couple times and the other

21:21

times he said she'd run that stop sign because

21:23

it was her time as a month than she

21:25

had to get home real fast which made the

21:27

cut go bright red the face and just wave.

21:29

Or on s on man

21:31

that one. Learn

21:34

had some standard issue teenage rebellion smoking

21:36

and drinking and stay in out too

21:38

late. But her real bad choices as

21:40

I think is true for a lot

21:42

a teenage girls were about boys the

21:44

sometimes this definitely true of Young Whitney.

21:47

I. Was a good kid except. Specific: A.

21:53

Boy. In Nineteen Eighty

21:55

Four and her senior year of High

21:57

school. And right after she turned eighteen?

21:59

Learn drunk. The Out and married a

22:01

boy Seat practically just met Virgil

22:03

Scott Jordan who understandably I think

22:05

just went by. Scott. They

22:08

had a daughter say leave the next January

22:10

but by that time they were already divorced.

22:12

Man, I really thought those two teenagers who

22:14

just met and barely knew each other. we're

22:16

going to make it, you. I

22:19

did. I did the same animators. Scott

22:21

was my favorite character. He's got a

22:23

com already, I know, Scott.

22:26

We hardly knew ye. Another

22:29

bad choice. Brief relationship followed with a

22:31

guy seventeen years older than see and

22:33

they had a son named Coal. And.

22:35

During this time learn finished high school

22:38

and qualified as a dental technician and

22:40

after that the seas really started to

22:42

slide offer cracker. Learn. Started

22:44

stealing and not because she had

22:46

to. She. Shoplifted, which, unless

22:48

you're still unlike bread or diapers,

22:51

almost always has a psychological cause.

22:54

Her. First arrest was for lifting a five

22:56

dollar hair color kit. Later,

22:58

she was feuding with a neighbor

23:00

and snuck into the woman's apartment

23:02

to steal ceramic flower arrangements and

23:05

a telephone. which definitely lancer in

23:07

the deeply weird category. not so

23:09

much that nefarious cat burglar at

23:11

it. Then she robbed her boyfriends

23:13

wife. They. Were going through a divorce

23:15

and the boyfriend had sent Christmas gifts for their kids

23:17

open His wife would let him come over to spend

23:20

Christmas together. And. When the wife gave

23:22

that plan a big old thumbs down,

23:24

Lauren broken and stole the gifts as

23:26

well as an answering machine, jewelry and

23:28

clothes. She came back

23:30

a second time to seal another answering

23:32

machine like weren't what is with what

23:34

is with you in the phones and

23:37

the answering machines as the great hair

23:39

dye caper had already landed her on

23:41

probation which these later burglaries stretch to

23:43

five. Years. Plus. She

23:45

had to pay restitution. In

23:47

a pattern that would stay with her throughout

23:49

the rest of her life. When learn was

23:51

down. She like to shop, especially for close.

23:54

But. She was broke. So. Over

23:56

six weeks, she wrote eighteen bad

23:58

checks, which were eighteen. The probation

24:01

violations. She. Also got kicked

24:03

out of her trailer and didn't bother to give

24:05

her probation officer her new address. Learns.

24:07

Criminal career was all petty small time

24:09

stuff that there was a lot of

24:12

is mostly committed while she was on

24:14

probation. She. Got a three

24:16

year prison sentence, but without inside a

24:18

three months. having proved substantial assistance to

24:20

an ongoing investigation, we don't know the

24:22

details that we all know how many

24:25

inmates are prone to let in their

24:27

tongues wagging learn the certainly bright enough

24:29

to use something she'd heard to her

24:31

own advantage some young, she's obviously smitten

24:34

on somebody. She.

24:36

Was in trouble again almost

24:38

immediately. First. I love

24:40

the story. She picked up a Tampa police officer

24:43

in a bar and went home with them and

24:45

after he fell asleep, she stole his credit cards

24:47

and went on a spending spree. If she knew

24:49

he was a cop or h really? Just

24:53

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24:55

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26:08

Yes, She was basically speed. Running terrible

26:10

life choices. Bingo she's gone for

26:12

that like out she like yeah

26:14

I'm on probation eighteen bad as

26:17

Elsa. you prove it. He says

26:19

the success. I'm broke sleep with

26:21

uproot police officers deal is. but

26:23

he likes. That the

26:25

definition of This time. it's personal,

26:27

like I'm. Years for hims like usually

26:30

a cop. like if you get your credit

26:32

card sold As like all that sucks. Sorry.

26:35

Oh shit when you fill it up stuff,

26:37

Are you kidding me? Oh yeah, he's come

26:39

after you. Don't.

26:42

For the blackout. Then.

26:45

She just ignored the terms of her probation and

26:47

had to wear an ankle monitor. Shortly

26:49

after that, she gave up custody of her

26:52

son to his father, but kept custody of

26:54

Haley. Way. To make a little

26:56

boy feel special. Lauren. Of

26:59

horrible. It's awful. Not.

27:02

Long after, have learned helped herself to her

27:04

bosses credit card to buy one hundred eighty

27:06

dollars worth of stuff for her apartment before

27:09

her court date. She cut off her ankle

27:11

monitor and got ready to hit the road.

27:16

She gave. Haley a choice. She could go

27:18

and live with their grandparents or go on

27:20

the lam with her mom, which oh my

27:22

God sakes daily was. Eight years old

27:25

lines you. That's a choice you

27:27

have to make for her, lady. And

27:29

does the little girl souls or

27:31

mom. Course. They're

27:34

released. Ship had already kind of flipped

27:36

like little Haley. Celt. Like she

27:38

was the mom and she had to take care of

27:40

Lorin. Maazel said. It

27:43

happened so often with people like

27:45

late. With caution, think absolutely she

27:47

has no impulse control. She's his

27:49

veto sprinting around fucking shit up.

27:51

And this little eight year old

27:53

has to be the voice of

27:55

reason. And us gonna mess

27:57

you up. I mean any kid who gets parent if I,

27:59

that's the. I think of my clinical term

28:01

foreigners parents if I'd like that is is

28:03

it messes? yup and all kinds of ways

28:06

and it really unfortunate never curator. Were.

28:09

Learn and Haley were and what they did

28:11

for the next year. so it's kinda. Hazy,

28:13

which I guess you'd expect from someone on the

28:15

run from the law. Although I

28:17

doubt anyone in Florida was setting up

28:19

roadblocks for a petty thief and check

28:21

fraud sir. But in May nineteen Ninety

28:23

four, fourteen months after she snapped off

28:25

from ankle monitor learn got married in

28:27

Vegas to a businessman and can Rebels

28:30

burger. Know. That ten

28:32

knew who he was marrying. Lauren was

28:34

going by the name Elizabeth Ann. Bearish

28:36

Who'd. Been a cellmate during one

28:38

of Lawrence brief stints in the Can. After

28:41

that. Everyone. In the story

28:43

called her elisa. The

28:46

marriage was over by the end of the

28:48

year, but the newly minted Elisa kept her

28:50

new last name which may have well then

28:52

the whole reason she married can in the

28:54

first place to establish a solid said guess

28:56

identity. And he not in the fifty

28:58

grand she gotten a divorce. When.

29:01

A lethal walked in to interview for the

29:03

job as Larry Mcnabb. Nice office manager and

29:06

the summer of Ninety Ninety Five. There's no

29:08

mystery about why she got his attention right

29:10

away. She was tall and pretty

29:12

and had a brilliant smile. and there

29:14

was a bright, intelligent charisma about her.

29:17

Most. Of us have known somebody like this.

29:20

When you first meet the mirror and you think

29:22

wow this person's really funny cool Then you get

29:24

to know them a little better near it's. Like

29:26

oh, I get at their batshit

29:29

nuts or yeah, But.

29:32

That first impression can be pretty intense. It

29:34

can suck you right in before you don't

29:36

You're getting yourself into. Her.

29:39

And. The fact is, despite the radically

29:41

different career histories learn Lisa were

29:43

like and a lot. Of. Ways.

29:46

Both. Were sharp and witty in the

29:48

same dark humored way, and they both

29:50

had a reckless streak. Stuff.

29:52

Flew between them from minute one and.

29:54

Despite least as total lack of professional

29:57

experience, she picked up the basics of

29:59

Larry's business. The way. He. Hired

30:01

her. Know. Larry

30:03

Mcnabb. the was a lot of things, but he

30:05

wasn't a smith. He. Was an

30:08

experience criminal attorney had represented killers.

30:10

Bombers and drug dealers, And

30:13

he was more than familiar with the shady side of

30:15

lose. A. Lease of Life

30:17

and Work History obviously wouldn't hold up

30:19

to scrutiny. She and even have a

30:21

social security number she was comfortable using.

30:24

It's. Hard to believe that Larry wasn't aware

30:26

of something off about Are. So why

30:28

did he hire her for this vital

30:30

position in his new business? The

30:34

answer to that probably has to do

30:36

with Elisa moving into Larry fancy condo

30:38

a couple days after they met. Days.

30:42

Days. You. He

30:46

just. Sell for her that hard. Not.

30:48

Long after that, Larry least them both

30:51

matching jaguars, one block and one white.

30:54

For. Lisa. It was a hell of a step

30:56

up from swiping telephones. Sometimes.

30:58

But less and less often, Larry would take

31:00

a private jet back to Reno to stay

31:03

with his girlfriend Cheryl and her kids. Cheryl.

31:05

Hadn't been keen on Larry expanding his operate

31:08

and Vegas figuring it was a bad city

31:10

for a recovering addict to spend much time.

31:13

Her. Concerns or well founded. Not long

31:15

after setting up in his Sin

31:17

City office, Larry started. Drinking again

31:19

after years of sobriety. And

31:22

when Cheryl met the Lisa, she knew something

31:24

was up. Although she couldn't have any clue

31:26

how far and how fast things were moving,

31:28

between Larry and. Larry.

31:31

Showed off his new girlfriend to his

31:33

Vegas friends, a lot of whom found

31:35

her oddly careful and suspicious, like she

31:37

had something to hide. Which. She

31:39

did, Of course, And. She wasn't

31:41

some experience con artists who was well practiced

31:43

at wearing a mask. She was a petty

31:45

seafood just landed on her feet. In a

31:47

big way. Another. Thing that

31:50

made some of Larry's friends go saw was

31:52

when he took a to an Oscar De

31:54

la Hoya fight. Larry introduce her

31:56

around as the daughter of a wealthy Cuban

31:58

businessman and said she could speak. Women fan

32:00

as was I assume Sickle Cell is probably what

32:02

she told them when there was some receipts oldham

32:05

are just some he made up himself. I'm and

32:07

we don't know for sure but my guess is

32:09

that she brow with old unless it was a

32:11

De la Hoya fight in Vegas. So they were

32:14

plenty of Spanish speakers in the crowd, but the

32:16

supposedly fluent and Lisa couldn't manage more than a

32:18

few phrases. You. Know like somebody who was

32:20

pretty good in high school that hadn't spoken language

32:22

in a decade. He. Must have been

32:25

something to say like so did you enjoy the

32:27

fight? Please or must I go to the bus

32:29

station. Or to stuff

32:31

like a prayer if you. Don't

32:33

this time And ugly attacker. A

32:38

month after, Larry had hired and Lisa

32:40

and they'd started You know, knock in

32:42

Boots, the bookkeeper of his Vegas office

32:44

quit. No. Problem and

32:46

Lisa could handle the accounts. Within.

32:49

A few weeks he'd made a lisa

32:51

the Chief operating officer of all three

32:53

of his offices, with authority over all

32:55

their accounts. She. Had

32:57

a rubber stamp with Larry signature that

32:59

she was authorized to put on any

33:01

check. She. Kept it in her purse so

33:04

it would always be handy. This. Remember

33:06

with someone who couldn't keep yourself from the

33:08

most trivial Seth's even when they were guaranteed

33:10

to land her in hot water and now

33:13

she was controlling the books have a high

33:15

dollar law firm. What? Could possibly

33:17

go wrong. Her.

33:19

New gig as office manager was the first

33:21

time and Lisa had ever been in a

33:24

position of authority and she really discovered her

33:26

inner robo bitch. She was

33:28

cold and demanding and everybody in all

33:30

three officers was kinda terrified of her.

33:33

Larry. Still prefer to spend most of

33:35

his time at on the golf course and

33:37

everyone quickly became aware that Elisa was there

33:39

real boss. If. She didn't like somebody.

33:41

They were out on their ass. When.

33:44

Larry didn't come in, he would play act

33:46

as a gruff hard ass so Elisa could

33:48

make on like she was acting like a

33:50

buffer between your staff and they're scary boss.

33:52

So they were both scared of and grateful

33:54

to her. She. Made people nervous.

33:56

they never really knew what she was. Thinking Are

33:58

planning. Like when young

34:00

lawyer Jeffrey More remember the hanging out

34:03

in his office a lot, lean and

34:05

on his desk and complaining about our

34:07

sex life with Larry. He.

34:09

Didn't know whether she was coming onto him or feed

34:11

pissed are awesome how and she was trying to get

34:13

him to make a move on her so she did

34:16

tell Leary and Jeffrey would get can. Sounds.

34:18

Like a real fun place to work, right?

34:21

I feel like there's an Alley Mcbeal joke in here somewhere,

34:24

but I'm just not quite land and but. It's.

34:29

Like a jigsaw design, them world's

34:31

most mundane. Saw Trap or like

34:33

physicists I'm pretty sure. I'm

34:35

fixing just size Michael Scott now.

34:37

like the Saw The Office Saw

34:39

it is. It's the sauce. Lose.

34:44

That's our next kickstarter. Yes that

34:47

is. It's like of would be

34:49

absolutely terrifying as to dig saw

34:51

yeah I think so too with.

34:55

The. New offices gave Mcnabb Knee

34:57

and Associates and expanding payroll. And.

34:59

The intense statewide advertising that was crucial

35:01

to the business did not come cheap.

35:04

And. Larry had three houses, god knows

35:06

how many cars and regularly flew a

35:08

private jet to Reno and back. He.

35:11

Took the entire staff on a first class

35:13

trip to Acapulco and went on a private

35:15

vacate a port of I are tight with

35:17

Elisa a trip which required him to somehow

35:19

obtain a fake social security number for her

35:22

so she could get a passport that wouldn't

35:24

flag or and fugitive. As

35:27

well. As. It's a

35:29

way to live. I get a just

35:31

and leary with when I slam is

35:34

yet Larry's something form is unmatched.

35:36

he didn't sign Added added the simple

35:38

impacts. Ten out it's Eleven Ellington. The.

35:41

State wide expanse in of Larry's business

35:43

was getting new clients, but not enough

35:46

of them to offset the expenditures. By.

35:49

November of Ninety Ninety Five. Less than a

35:51

year after opening his Vegas office, Larry shut

35:53

it down. He. Concentrate on the

35:55

smaller and cheaper markets of Reno and

35:58

Elko. So. He moved back to. The

36:00

know and of course took a lisa with them. Which.

36:02

Meant that Cheryl who he dated for eight

36:04

years and her kids who called Larry dad

36:07

were kicked out of the house so Elissa

36:09

and Haley had move him. Cheryl.

36:11

And Larry would eventually work out of friendly

36:13

relationship and he'd stay in the girls lives.

36:15

But all the same. Else.

36:19

In. December, the South Christmas Party and

36:21

a com mentioned to Jeffrey more the

36:23

checks written on the client trust account

36:25

or bounce. Was. This a serious

36:28

problem. Oh.

36:31

Yeah. It. Sure as hell

36:33

was. There. You are bringing up

36:35

at this Christmas party where it presumably I'm a

36:37

little oil that. He. In. The

36:40

trust account with settlement money earmarked

36:42

for clients as an not the

36:44

firm's money. At all. Screwing.

36:47

Around with that money meant flirting with

36:49

disbarment and meet even jail time. When.

36:52

He started poking around more found out

36:54

that surprise surprise Elisa had been writing

36:56

checks to buy her since. One.

36:59

Of the bounced checks had been for an American

37:02

quarter horse. Elise. And Haley

37:04

both loved horses. This. Was

37:06

just a radically skill that version of

37:08

teenage Elisa shoplifting. a five dollar hair

37:10

color kit. She. Wanted something so

37:12

she took at who gives a shit about

37:14

the consequences? The. Whole

37:16

situation put Jeffrey more in a tight spot.

37:19

He knew he should tell Larry, but not

37:21

only was he scared of Larry, he wasn't

37:23

sure his boss was actually ignorant of what

37:25

Elise had been doing. He. Might

37:27

just fire Jeffrey. So. He

37:29

went to a couple of local attorneys that he knew

37:32

were good friends with Larry and told them what he'd

37:34

found. Larry. Was either shocked or

37:36

gave a pretty good impression of being shocked.

37:39

When. He and his two friends confronted

37:41

Elisa. She initially got mad and denied

37:44

everything, but eventually she burst into tears

37:46

and came clean than random. The house.

37:49

She'd. Say with a friend for a few weeks. Later.

37:52

On larry call Jeffrey more over to his house

37:54

and told him he was grateful. Human

37:56

man Larry said. When.

37:59

He said. More wasn't wearing a coat. he gave

38:01

him one of his own and they swayed one

38:03

with wall lining. Was. Grateful.

38:06

It. Seems more likely that Larry knew he had

38:08

to keep Jeffrey more on his side. Larry's.

38:11

Attorney friends were theoretically obligated to tell the

38:13

bar about with a blur and but they

38:15

hadn't. There. Was some indication that

38:18

Larry's drink and drugs your past had landed

38:20

him in hot water with the bar before,

38:22

and any penalty for wrongdoing would likely be

38:24

harsh, so his buddies were willing to do

38:26

him a favor. The.

38:29

Risks to Larry's business were

38:31

already potentially catastrophic. He

38:33

could shoot all the as he wanted with

38:35

himself as a good ole boy on horseback.

38:37

If Mcnally and Associates gotta wrap as a

38:39

crooked from, it wouldn't matter. So he certainly

38:42

didn't need Jeffrey more running his mouth to

38:44

the bar. Anyone else. Larry.

38:47

Spent three weeks trying to put out fires

38:49

that Elise had started, taking out a happy

38:51

loan to cover the amount missing from the

38:53

client trust account and hiring an auditor to

38:55

go through the company books. And then he

38:57

did would anyone would do and they found

38:59

out their girlfriends been stealing from them. Putting.

39:01

Their business and she's reliably that at risk. He.

39:04

Took her down to the Reno Hilton and

39:06

married her. A dude.

39:10

No. No No, Just

39:12

no. So. Oh, what was

39:15

going on here? When friends quiz Larry about

39:17

why the hell he'd marry someone who'd used

39:19

him and salon from home? He was just

39:21

like. A Love. Oh.

39:25

And for a particular toxic how dependent definition

39:27

of love it's that was certainly true, that

39:29

there was more to the story than that,

39:33

After she'd run at a Larry's house

39:35

in tears. But before they got married,

39:37

Elisa asked one of Larry's lawyers friends

39:39

if she could be forced to testify

39:41

against him if they were married. And

39:43

in late December, right before everything came

39:45

out into the open, Mcnabb he associates

39:47

were a hundred thousand dollars behind on

39:49

payments to their advertiser. Larry

39:51

got the money together apparently from nowhere and

39:53

paid them off to keep his ads on

39:55

the air. Had. Larry told Elisa to

39:57

take money out of the client. Trusted. So

40:00

he could pay as advertisers. He.

40:02

Could chop it up later. When more settlement money came.

40:05

But. Elissa, being her she was, couldn't resist

40:07

using some of the money in their to

40:09

by herself, a horsey and some other things

40:11

and those tix started bouncing. It's.

40:13

A plausible theory and it would give

40:15

a Lisa some she could a over

40:17

larry forever. Years. Later, he'd

40:19

tell one of his kids that Elisa could ruin

40:21

him if she wanted. Maybe. This

40:23

little scam with the trust account was what he

40:26

was talking about because that could end larry legal

40:28

career and possibly put him in jail. And

40:31

if Elisa held something over Larry the reverse.

40:33

Was true to. It's. Likely that

40:35

Larry knew exactly who he was getting married.

40:37

To. I'm not sure the kinda

40:39

guy exists who's willing and able to get a

40:41

fake social security number for his girlfriend, but has

40:44

no further. Questions. That

40:46

certainly wasn't Larry. The.

40:48

Year before they got married and Lisa had gotten

40:50

in touch with her old Florida attorney to try

40:52

and work out some kind of deal where she

40:54

could clear her record down there while avoiding more

40:56

jail time. This. Was probably doable

40:58

given the pettiness of her crimes, as long

41:00

as she could make restitution and pay. Some

41:03

things. The. Total sum would be

41:05

about five brand. That Larry talked

41:07

her out of it. Told her not to trust her

41:09

attorney. Or talk to him again. Seems.

41:11

As if he liked the leverage releases criminal

41:13

past gave him over her. This.

41:16

Sort of mutual black probably explains

41:18

why they started calling each other

41:20

blanche. Which. Is something that needs little.

41:22

I'm painting. They. Had a friend

41:24

Nancy who enjoyed quoting movie lines

41:27

for comic effect. And one of

41:29

our favorite sources was whatever happened

41:31

to Baby Jane which is a

41:33

psychological horror movie with a seem

41:35

of pitch black comedies actually break

41:37

movie plans. Played by Joan Crawford

41:39

is confined to a wheelchair and

41:41

basically psychologically tortured. By her sister Jane,

41:43

who's played by Betty Davis. The. Most

41:46

famous couple of lines or when glance

41:48

as you wouldn't be able to do

41:50

these awful things to me if I

41:52

worked. still in this chair and Jane

41:54

comes back, but yeah, I plan on

41:56

that share. With. The

41:58

all three of I'm Larry. Lisa and Nancy

42:00

were having lunch at a seafood restaurant when

42:03

Nancy did this bit, and Larry in Elisa

42:05

cracked up to Lake Road. And

42:07

from then on they called each other plants. Which

42:10

certainly got a more than a few weird looks over

42:12

the years, but I think it's telling. They're.

42:14

Both glance trapped and tormented by

42:16

the person their closest. To. Larry.

42:20

Certainly wasn't making the best decisions around the

42:22

and of ninety ninety from they've. As

42:25

is from led more money is drinking and

42:27

drug taking ramped up. Each. Of

42:29

his previous four wives had with greater or

42:31

lesser success tried to put the brakes on

42:34

Larry substance abuse. And not elisa.

42:36

If anything she encouraged has won. A

42:40

drunk and hi Larry was easier to

42:42

control and less curious about checking the

42:44

company books. And. Elisa certainly

42:46

didn't have any problem with drugs. One.

42:49

Time when he was on a trip down to Vegas.

42:51

Elisa invited Jeffrey more to come and hang out in

42:53

the condo hot tub with her in one of her

42:56

girlfriends. Jeffrey remember was a young

42:58

lawyer who release it was always complaining

43:00

to about her unsatisfying sex life with

43:02

Larry Anything a lawyer would be better

43:04

at picking up. hence because apparently Jeffrey

43:06

still couldn't tell his the Lisa was

43:08

coming on to him. And

43:10

thought the subtle hot tub bikini party with

43:12

assist. Against entirely innocent

43:15

egg shells. Dude.

43:18

Sunni she's trying to bang you. I blame

43:20

at. Once the or art.

43:23

Anyway, aliases thin casually offer Jeffery some crystal

43:25

meth to get the party going and it

43:28

was pretty clear and Lisa was hit in

43:30

the stuff. Too so. Don't

43:33

get no classier than mess in a hot tub between.

43:36

Yeah I'm fun Fact: they caught i

43:38

soup and reno. Okay,

43:41

no they don't. But. It sounds

43:43

good and they should. Okay, Six

43:45

stood up. To.

43:47

The astonishment of everybody who knew what

43:50

she'd done. Within a couple months of

43:52

her marriage to Larry, Elisa was right

43:54

back running the Mcnabb Me and Associates

43:56

offices. I

43:59

can't with us. Story. Jeffrey.

44:01

More as well as his assistant and the

44:03

accountant who'd first noticed Iliza bouncing checks

44:05

can see the writing on the wall. They.

44:08

Started making copies of everything and Lisa

44:10

had signed or stamp Larry signature on

44:12

to go in back. Month. And

44:15

leases assistant caught him at it and they

44:17

were all fired days later. Now.

44:20

Folks, is it a good idea to

44:22

fire an attorney who knows all about

44:24

your wrongdoing and who you know has

44:26

been gathering evidence to back himself up?

44:28

Spoiler. It's not a good idea. Jeffrey

44:32

More right away started putting together

44:34

a letter to the State bar

44:36

spilling the beans on a Lisa

44:38

using the client trust account for

44:40

quote and extravagant lifestyle which included

44:43

routine trips and Leer jets least

44:45

Jaguars, purchase of jewelry A for

44:47

trips abroad and purchase of equine.

44:50

Some. As lawyer like Rome flights and

44:52

she bought a second horse she by

44:55

force a. Purchase

44:57

of equine purchases Equine.

45:00

The State Bars investigation and subsequent hearing

45:02

band The Lisa from. Holding. Any position

45:05

at the From and Leary.one public

45:07

reprimand and to pray that one's.

45:09

It. Took awhile, but that was pretty much it

45:11

for Mcnabb the and Associates. Not so much

45:14

because of any scandal, but because Larry's heart

45:16

just wasn't in. Any more. Reno.

45:18

Was one of those places. Were the attorneys

45:20

all know each other and Larry was

45:22

embarrassed embarrassed by the reprimands. And the

45:25

fact that everyone thought his pretty young wife was

45:27

running. Rings around them He withdrew from

45:29

his friends. And family becoming more isolated

45:31

as he annalisa quickly downgraded to a

45:33

smaller house that a rental and then

45:35

an apartment. He. Was depressed

45:37

and he was going on benders more

45:39

more often. Again, Elisa didn't try to

45:41

get him help with any of his

45:43

problems or encourage him to get in

45:45

touch with the friends and family who'd

45:48

been helping him faces demons for years.

45:50

She encouraged him to separate from his previous life

45:52

until it was more or less just to two

45:54

of. Blanche. And

45:57

blanche. Trump. Together. His.

45:59

Season. Come back for that

46:01

alone. My just to encourage,

46:04

not not just enable encourage

46:06

somebody. To. Just fall deeper

46:08

and deeper into their addiction. Yeah,

46:10

that is pure evil with because

46:12

it suits you thus I'm guessing.

46:15

Larry. Had never had much trouble with picking

46:17

up his life and starting over somewhere new.

46:19

and toward the end of nineteen ninety eight

46:22

he annalisa move to Sacramento to try and

46:24

start up Mcnabb. He and associates part to.

46:27

Larry's. Western themed ads would work just

46:29

as well in California, Nevada with the

46:31

text and phone numbers. Change. The.

46:33

Main difference was that Larry's limited involvement

46:36

running the whole deal would be even

46:38

less. He. Gave the new company

46:40

his name and theoretically owned it, but Elisa

46:42

was running the whole. Show. Larry

46:45

played golf and drank while Elisa who

46:47

didn't have any official legal training and

46:49

had crash and burn. Larry's previous business

46:51

and a matter of months was in

46:53

charge of everything now, including the banking.

46:57

Oh. Lord. What? Do

46:59

they say about doing the same thing over

47:01

and over again and expecting different results? Yeah.

47:06

They're. Fresh new start in California wasn't

47:08

exactly all peace and light. Elise, his

47:10

daughter, Haley had never gotten along with

47:12

her new stepdad and their relationship got

47:15

worse the more Larry drank when he

47:17

got verbally abusive with her. One.

47:19

Time during an argument, he grabbed her by

47:22

the throat. Elisa. Parent

47:24

of the Year saw this: I moving Haley out

47:26

to stay with friends and then getting her an

47:28

apartment of her own. Kid was fifteen

47:30

at the time by the way we to

47:32

make your priorities. Clear Mom. By.

47:36

January of two thousand, the new

47:38

from was chugging along, Although not

47:40

reaching same height as it's previous

47:42

incarnation in Nevada, It was

47:44

then that Lisa hired a new receptionist.

47:47

This. Is Sarah Dutra? a cute

47:49

blonde nineteen year old a sophomore

47:51

art student at Sacramento State University.

47:54

Sarah. Thought she'd struck gold with her

47:56

new gag. As close to campus and it

47:58

paid two thousand dollars a month. Which is

48:00

a whole lot of scratch. For a teenage

48:02

art student knew. She was a

48:05

bright middle class girl, easy to get along

48:07

with and with real artistic talent. In.

48:10

Early two thousand. It would be crazy

48:12

to imagine her as the spark that

48:14

would cause the volatile relationship between bleary

48:16

Annalisa to explode into betrayal and murder.

48:19

But. That's what would happen. So.

48:23

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