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campers. Grab your marshmallows and gather around the
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true crime campfire. We're your
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camp counselors. I'm Katie. And I'm Whitney.
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And we're here to tell you a true
1:11
story that is way stranger than fiction. We're
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roasting murderers and marshmallows around the true crime
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campfire. The
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Leonard Cohen saying, all I ever
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learned from love was how to shoot somebody who
1:27
outdrew you. Which should
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certainly strike a chord with followers of true
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crime. We've seen time
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and time again how, after a bitter breakup,
1:35
a person can go to extraordinary lengths to
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get their own back. Whether
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the wrongs they've suffered are real or exist
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entirely in their own heads. This
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is Touched by an Angel, the murder
1:47
of Fred Jablon. So
2:00
campers, for this one we're in Richmond,
2:02
Virginia, October 30th, 2004, just after 6.30 in
2:07
the morning. The pretty suburban
2:09
street of Hearthclough Lane was all decorated
2:11
for Halloween, the pumpkins on the porches
2:13
and bed sheet ghosts hanging from tree
2:15
branches. Not many people
2:17
were up and about yet, but that was about to
2:20
change real quick. Three
2:22
gunshots cracked through the quiet fall air.
2:25
All down the street, people startled awake.
2:27
Dogs started barking. Bob
2:29
and Doreen McArdle were already awake but still
2:31
in bed, but the shots sounded real close
2:33
and Bob jumped out of bed and hurried
2:35
to the window, which looked out onto the
2:38
street. He saw someone running
2:40
fast across his lawn, although it was too dark
2:42
out to make out any details of the figure.
2:45
Doreen called 911. The
2:47
dispatcher asked if they were sure they hadn't
2:50
just heard a car backfiring, but Bob was
2:52
an ex-marine. He knew what gunshots sounded like.
2:55
The dispatcher told them a squad car was on
2:57
the way, but the police weren't super worried yet.
3:00
It wasn't that unusual for reports of shots
3:02
fired to lead nowhere, especially out near the
3:04
edge of town like Hearthclough Lane was. There
3:07
were some woods and a creek close by, and
3:09
sometimes people would go in there and do target
3:11
practice or duck hunt. Going
3:13
hunting close to a subdivision at O'Dark 30
3:16
in the morning would be really rude and
3:18
at least misdemeanor-level illegal, but you know, sometimes
3:20
people are dicks. The
3:23
squad car was there in minutes, crawling
3:25
slowly down the street and shining flashlights
3:27
onto the lawns and driveways, throwing creepy
3:29
shadows up against the houses from the
3:31
Halloween decorations. The car
3:33
stopped at Bob and Doreen's house so an officer
3:36
could come to the door and hear their report
3:38
first-hand, then the cops went back to their slow
3:40
circuit around the neighborhood. At
3:42
7 a.m., they stopped to talk to Bob again,
3:44
telling him they couldn't find anything amiss, but he
3:47
should call them again if he spotted anything weird
3:49
once it got light. Bob
3:51
said he would. He and Doreen were going to take
3:53
the dog out anyway as soon as dawn broke. In
3:56
The slowly lightening day, they walked past the
3:58
house of their neighbor. Fred, Jablon and
4:01
or he noticed what looked like a
4:03
pile of clothes line crumpled on the
4:05
driveway the side Fred's black Ford Explorer.
4:08
He better check and see what that is.
4:10
She told Bob her heart already thinking. What?
4:12
It was was for a javelin. Dressed.
4:15
In navy blue sweats, his face
4:17
and hands shockingly pale. He.
4:19
Looked dead. Ball. Called
4:21
back to Doreen, who already had her cell phone
4:23
in her hands and she dialed Nine One One
4:25
for the second time. That morning. We.
4:28
Found fro Jablon or neighbor in his driveway.
4:30
she said it looks like he said. He
4:33
was despite the efforts paramedics to
4:35
revive them. They. Found a
4:38
gunshot wound in his back right away. his
4:40
sweatshirt soaked with blood around it. Neighbors.
4:43
That told police Fred had three kids and they had
4:45
no idea if they were safe for where the shooter
4:47
might be. A Swat team quietly
4:49
cleared the health, waking up each of Fred's
4:52
kids in turn and escorting them out to
4:54
an ambulance. His. Oldest kid, fifteen
4:56
year old Jocelyn was the first one they
4:58
woke up. Make. Sure my brother,
5:00
sister, and dad get out she told the officer
5:02
who guided her out of the house. They.
5:05
Found nothing suspicious inside. No sign of
5:07
a break in. Feds, Morning
5:09
coffee was still warm in the pot. This.
5:12
Didn't look like a burglary gone wrong
5:14
or anything like that. It looked
5:16
like a cold, deliberate killing. Fred.
5:19
Jablon was a guy you could set your
5:22
watch by. He liked his routines. Every
5:24
morning. At around the same time, he'd start a
5:26
pot of coffee than go pick up his newspaper
5:28
in the driveway. If the shooter
5:30
new his habits, Fred would have made an
5:32
easy target. Just. Crouched behind a bush
5:34
till he turned around the corner of the house and
5:36
had his back to you. and he'd be hard to
5:38
miss. But who would want
5:41
to kill for a javelin? He was
5:43
a quiet kind of nerdy guy and devoted
5:45
dad and a professor at the University of
5:47
Richmond. Well liked by boat, as neighbors and
5:50
his students. He. Was the kind of
5:52
guy who sent have had an enemy in the world. But.
5:54
It didn't take long for the police to learn
5:57
that that was definitely not the case. With.
5:59
and just few hours of Fred's death, they
6:01
got in touch with his brother Michael in
6:03
Northern Virginia. Michael sat
6:05
in shocked silence for a few moments
6:08
and said, Have you considered my brother's
6:10
ex-wife as a suspect? When
6:12
a colleague and friend of Fred's at the University
6:15
of Richmond heard about his death, she immediately said,
6:17
Oh my God, Piper killed him. Fred
6:21
Jablun was born in 1952 in New York
6:23
City, a bright kid who'd wanted to be
6:25
a scientist since he was barely old enough
6:27
to walk. His parents, like
6:29
a lot of people who'd been through the Great
6:31
Depression, lived modest lives, but every
6:33
month their mom would take Fred and his brother Michael out
6:36
to see a Broadway show. Fred
6:38
was an academic star, and
6:40
in 1977 he got his PhD
6:43
in Organizational Communication, which is
6:45
one of those fields that from the outside
6:47
might seem about as interesting as watching paint
6:49
dry, but you know, the people
6:51
who are into it are really into it. And
6:55
Fred was definitely into it. It was a
6:57
brand new field at the time and Fred was a
6:59
rising star. He was meticulous and
7:01
smart and he had a real talent for
7:03
recognizing patterns. In
7:05
1977, he landed a teaching gig at
7:08
the University of Texas in Austin, where
7:10
Fred quickly made friends. He
7:12
never had trouble with that. He was
7:14
quiet, but funny too, and people liked him
7:16
a lot. In his
7:18
mid-twenties, he was already mostly bald and he
7:20
wore a truly awful toupee just to please
7:23
his mother. Oh, bless
7:25
his heart. Yeah, moms are weird about their
7:27
kids' hair, right? Like, my mom freaked out
7:29
when my brother shaved his head. Like, it
7:31
was way disproportionate. Like, calm down. God,
7:34
it's his head. One
7:37
night, Fred drove himself to the ER for
7:39
an emergency appendectomy, and at some point during
7:42
the toupee fell off and got lost. And
7:44
to everybody's relief, except for his mom,
7:46
I guess, he never replaced it. About
7:50
three years into his time at UT,
7:52
28-year-old Fred met a 21-year-old senior by
7:54
the name of Piper Roundtree. Piper
7:57
was bright and real pretty, kind of
7:59
pixie-looking. and she liked to hang out and
8:01
talk with her professors after class. If
8:04
you knew Fred and Piper, you probably would never think
8:06
to set them up with each other. Calm
8:08
and careful Fred and free spirit Piper. But
8:11
that opposite's attracting is no bullshit. And
8:15
there was major chemistry between them from day one.
8:19
It didn't take them long to start dating, though they
8:21
had to be sneaky about it for the first
8:23
few months till Piper graduated. Piper
8:26
was dreamy and artistic, always rescuing stray
8:28
animals to keep his pets. A
8:31
hippie, basically. I mean, it was still the
8:33
70s. And in my experience, about
8:35
80% of the seriously, like,
8:37
crunchy granola people you meet, once you
8:39
scratch the surface, you find out they're
8:41
wound tighter than a bear trap. I
8:44
think this has been true of literally
8:46
every, like, crunchy person I've ever known.
8:49
Not always wound up, like, in a
8:51
bad way, like, sometimes they're just balls
8:53
of anxiety, but like, it's gonna be
8:55
something. In my experience, I'm sure there
8:57
are exceptions, but yeah. And
8:59
with Piper, we mean wound up like
9:01
an angry little chihuahua. Yeah,
9:03
our girl had a wild temper and
9:05
she had a hair trigger on it. Even
9:09
if they struck everybody as kind of an
9:11
odd couple, Fred and Piper were happy together.
9:13
At least, at first. Two
9:15
years after they started dating, they got married. Not
9:18
everybody was happy about it. Piper's
9:20
older sister Tina thought from the start that
9:23
Fred wasn't good enough for Piper. Oh,
9:25
Tina. Y'all are gonna
9:27
love Miss Tina. Oh, boy. Yeah. You're
9:32
gonna feel some strong emotion toward Miss
9:34
Tina. Her
9:38
and Piper's dad had been a surgeon in the Air Force
9:40
and his military career had taken the family all
9:42
over the world. Piper was born
9:45
in Japan while he was stationed there. Their
9:47
dad retired to Texas when Piper was still little
9:49
and she'd never remember much of him, except that
9:51
he drank too much and sometimes got mean. And
9:54
then he had a stroke, which made him even meaner. He
9:57
soon moved away and out of Piper's life. So
10:00
Piper's mom was busy, and a good chunk of
10:03
the parenting duties fell onto Tina, eight years older
10:05
than Piper, but as close to her as a
10:07
twin. Piper and I are
10:09
soul sisters. Tina would later tell 48 hours. We're
10:12
incomplete without each other. Oh
10:15
boy. Piper was
10:17
a high flyer in high school, a
10:19
star academically and athletically, and because she
10:21
was cute and gregarious, she was popular
10:23
too. Tina, who was
10:25
intense and frankly, kind of scary,
10:27
never was. She said
10:29
she admired Piper's popularity, but you don't have
10:31
to squint too hard to see some jealousy
10:33
there too. When teenage
10:35
Piper would go to the park and hang
10:37
out with her friends to smoke and drink,
10:40
Tina would tag along in her 20s by
10:42
this point and graduated from college, but finally
10:44
getting to hang out with the cool kids,
10:46
which is just, ooh, so cool. You
10:49
know, y'all, did y'all ever know those like 20
10:51
something, like those people that were like in their
10:53
mid to late 20s and would hang out with the
10:56
high school kids? Like avoid
10:58
those people. Those people
11:00
are to be avoided,
11:02
at least in my experience, especially the dudes,
11:04
but like, even though, like even a woman
11:06
doing that like that, it's just weird. I mean,
11:08
you were hanging out with people 10 years younger than you.
11:12
Young Piper also picked up a reputation as
11:14
being kind of weird. When
11:17
a friend walked away from bad car wreck without
11:19
a scratch, Piper told her, you had an angel
11:21
on your shoulder looking after you, which
11:24
is the kind of thing somebody might say
11:26
in that situation. Nothing too out there about
11:28
that, but no, no, Piper insisted she meant
11:30
it literally. There were angels all
11:32
over the place, changing the world, trying to
11:34
guide us all. You just had to listen
11:36
for them. She listened to angels
11:38
all the time. She always had crystals
11:40
in her pockets, connections to the spiritual realm that
11:42
she was always ready to pull out if a
11:45
friend had a headache or sprained wrist. Now look,
11:47
I have friends who are into mystical stuff and
11:49
it's actually really lovely to me when they do
11:51
spells for me or give me crystals, especially if
11:53
they hand me, if you Tylenol too, you know,
11:55
if it's a headache or whatever, but you know,
11:58
no shade if you're into that stuff. In Piper's
12:00
case, I get the feeling that it's
12:02
not genuine. It feels to
12:04
me, having read the book and also
12:06
seen her in interviews, it just feels
12:08
performative with her. Just one
12:10
more way for her to cast herself as
12:12
the quirky, cute as a button, little main
12:15
character in any situation she finds herself in.
12:18
Oh yeah, she's a pick me to her
12:20
core. The angel thing was absolutely an effort
12:22
to make other people's problems about her. Right,
12:25
exactly. Like, oh well I talked to my
12:27
angels and I asked them to protect you,
12:29
so they did. Remember Terry Hoffman
12:31
from the cult of Conscious Development? She said
12:33
the same thing. Yep. Initially,
12:36
Piper brought some happy chaos into Fred's life,
12:39
adopting a cat, a bunny, a bird, and
12:41
two ferrets that she'd walk around on leashes,
12:43
which must have been adorbs. She
12:46
even talked him into visiting a nude beach on
12:48
Lake Travis, which I imagine for Fred was a
12:50
big deal. After
12:53
their marriage, Fred learned a couple things about
12:55
Piper that were surprises, but they didn't make
12:57
him love her any less. One
12:59
was that Piper had been diagnosed
13:01
with and medicated for ADHD, and
13:03
the other was that Piper's wayfish
13:05
shape was largely down to bulimia
13:07
that she'd suffered from for years. Was
13:10
nothing that changed how he felt about Piper, it
13:12
was just a little weird that she'd waited till
13:14
after the wedding to share, since they'd already been
13:16
living together for a while. After
13:18
graduation, Piper went to law school, with Fred
13:21
paying her tuition. Piper
13:23
was very smart, if not quite up to
13:25
the genius reputation she had in her family.
13:28
But she'd never been so much about
13:30
the perspiration side of getting an education,
13:32
and struggled through law school, barely graduating.
13:35
She landed a cool job at the Hays County
13:37
District Attorney's Office, but that lasted less than a
13:39
year. She'd say later she
13:41
hadn't felt like herself in the job. One
13:44
time she'd been negotiating a plea deal, and the guy had
13:46
taken out a gun and put it on the table between
13:48
them. Which does not sound very
13:50
likely to me, like if we have any
13:53
campers who happen to be habitual criminals in
13:55
Texas, try that out for us, tell us
13:57
how it goes. Yeah,
14:00
don't do that, I'm kidding, but I
14:02
do suspect that story is pure bullshit, like
14:04
most of what comes out of Piper's mouth.
14:07
Fred certainly remembered things differently. According
14:10
to him, Piper just got straight-up fired
14:12
for doing a shitty job. Four
14:15
years into the marriage, Piper and Fred were
14:17
trying to start a family, which would normally
14:19
be a fairly private, intimate thing, but not
14:22
with Piper, who several times called up Fred's
14:24
assistants at UT to tell him, tell Fred
14:26
he has to come home right now, I'm
14:28
ovulating. That's
14:31
so funny, especially knowing how kind of
14:33
like taciturn Fred was, he must have been so
14:35
embarrassed. Their daughter
14:37
Jocelyn came into the world, and Piper's temper
14:39
moved onto even more of a hair trigger.
14:43
Almost without fail, the first words out of her
14:45
mouth when she called the assistants at Fred's office
14:47
were, You tell Fred, as in, for
14:49
example, You tell Fred I just fired the maid
14:52
and he needs to come home right now, and
14:54
then hang up. A
14:57
lot of maids were fired, sometimes the same day
14:59
they were hired. Just
15:01
as many quit, because Piper was a nightmare
15:03
to work for. The
15:05
assistants translated these calls into slips of
15:08
paper with, Please call home, written on
15:10
them, which went into Fred's mailbox. If
15:13
Piper sounded especially furious, they'd add, Now, and underline
15:15
it, so Fred had a clue of what to
15:17
expect. Sometimes
15:19
Piper would call ten or more times a day.
15:23
People at Fred's job started to think she
15:25
was crazy, and they wondered why someone like
15:27
Fred, who was rational to the point of
15:29
seeming half Vulcan, would be with her. Why
15:32
somebody as lively as Piper would be with a staid
15:34
guy like Fred was becoming less of a mystery to
15:37
the people around them. Only
15:39
somebody as patient as him would put up with her
15:41
bullshit. Piper
15:43
briefly landed on her feet with her law career
15:45
when she got a job at the Texas Association
15:47
of School Boards and did well. But
15:50
within a year, she did ship for a higher paying job
15:52
at a law firm working in the same field. She
15:55
bragged about her salary and swanky office and how she could
15:57
send an assistant out just to get her a cup of
15:59
tea. coffee. And
16:02
she got fired with an ear. This
16:05
was right in the middle of Piper's second
16:07
pregnancy and she'd tell anyone who would listen
16:09
that they'd fired her because she was pregnant,
16:11
which is illegal. Anyway,
16:14
Fred would later tell people that, again, she'd been
16:17
fired for doing shitty work and not much of
16:19
it. Fred and
16:21
Piper's son Paxton was born and afterwards Piper
16:23
spent weeks in bed weighed down by a
16:25
bad case of postpartum depression. Our
16:28
main source for this case is Catherine
16:30
Casey's book Die, My Love and she
16:32
actually interviewed Piper for it. Talking about
16:34
her postpartum depression, Piper told her, I
16:37
didn't want to get out of bed. It
16:39
got worse with each pregnancy. It's like everything
16:41
goes gray. Everything feels dull. While
16:45
she was depressed, Piper withdrew thousands of
16:47
dollars from her retirement account and got herself a
16:49
boob job. She grudgingly told Fred
16:51
about it just two days before the surgery.
16:54
I mean, she had to, I guess. It was either
16:56
that or disappear for a couple of weeks on
16:58
gas item. What do you mean, honey?
17:00
They've always been this big. I
17:04
vote for that. And
17:06
you know, we do not have an issue with the
17:08
boob job, by the way. If that helps lift you
17:10
out of a depression, knock yourself out. But as you're
17:13
about to see, Piper had a
17:15
bad habit of spending gobs of money on stuff
17:17
and then not telling Fred unless she absolutely had
17:19
to. So that's why we bring that up. Piper
17:22
had another job shortly after this and surprise, surprise,
17:24
they kicked her to the curb after the first
17:27
year. Then she got pregnant
17:29
again. With a growing family and
17:31
Piper unable to keep a job, Fred started to worry
17:33
about money. A lot. His
17:36
teaching gig at the University of Texas just wasn't
17:38
going to cut it and so he started taking
17:40
on some consulting work. But
17:42
Piper complained that he was away from home
17:45
too often, so Fred started looking into making
17:47
a more radical change and finding an entirely
17:49
new job. He really was a
17:51
star in his field and it didn't take long for him
17:53
to be offered a position at the University of Richmond.
17:56
There were some negatives. For one, the opportunity
17:58
was all the way up. up in Virginia.
18:01
This would be tough for Piper, who was close to her
18:03
family. And Fred would
18:05
be teaching undergraduates rather than the grad students
18:07
he currently worked with. The positives,
18:10
though, were hard to ignore. There
18:12
would be a tenured position at double his
18:14
current salary. That was too good to
18:16
pass up. So
18:18
the young Jadlin family packed their lives into a
18:21
moving van and headed north. Not
18:23
everyone was happy for them. Piper's
18:25
sister Tina was furious. I
18:29
never forgave Fred from moving Piper so far
18:31
away, she said. What right
18:33
did he have to take her and the children away
18:35
from her family? Oh, for
18:38
God's sake. This, remember,
18:40
is her grown-ass sister she's talking
18:42
about. And also, he wouldn't
18:44
have had to take the job if she'd been able to hold
18:46
down a damn job of her own. But sure,
18:48
Tina, go off. Ah,
18:51
Tina's the worst. So
18:53
in 1994, Fred and Piper moved into
18:55
a beautiful five bedroom house in the
18:57
suburbs of Richmond's West End, and
18:59
Fred started off on his new academic career. They
19:02
were in an enviable position, a big house
19:05
in a gorgeous neighborhood, an SUV
19:07
and a minivan in the driveway, two great
19:09
kids and a third, Callie, on the way.
19:12
And Fred had a good job with tenure. Piper,
19:16
with her Texas cowboy boots and tight jeans and
19:18
all her woo-woo ways, didn't really fit in with
19:20
the West End crowd, and she was happy not
19:22
to. She called the other women in
19:24
the neighborhood the Stepford Wives. Not
19:27
that making fun of them made Piper any less
19:29
likely to ask for favors, particularly when it came
19:31
to looking after her kids. Having
19:33
turned her legal career into a flaming
19:35
dumpster, Piper tried to develop a new
19:37
identity as Super Mom. Her
19:40
kids were her life, she'd declare. She
19:42
called herself Momia. wanted
20:00
to go hunting for frogs in the creek or
20:02
get some Disney scenes painted in their rooms, Piper
20:04
was all in. That stuff was fun.
20:07
It was the actual taking care of them part
20:09
she had trouble with. One
20:12
night, Piper was playing bunko with some of the
20:14
Stepford wives in the neighborhood and said they should
20:16
start a babysitting circle, which some of them said
20:18
might be a good idea, but that was as
20:21
far as the conversation went. And then the next
20:23
morning, one of these ladies answered the doorbell and
20:25
there was Piper holding little Callie by the hand
20:27
trying to drop her off for babysitting. This
20:30
became such a common occurrence that neighbors started peeking
20:33
out the curtains before they'd answer the door and
20:35
if it was Piper, they just pretend not to
20:37
be home, just belly crawling across
20:40
the living room. Everybody be
20:42
quiet, it's Piper. Piper
20:45
did become good friends, at least initially,
20:47
with Melody Foster, who owned the house
20:49
behind theirs. Melody's daughter was
20:51
Paxton's age and like Piper, Melody was an
20:54
attorney. The two families got along
20:56
so well that Fred cut a gate into the
20:58
fence so everybody could move freely back and forth.
21:01
Piper was always popping in, often with a
21:03
glass of wine in her hand, and Melody
21:05
got a front row seat for super moms
21:07
super parenting. Once,
21:09
when Melody looked out and saw a three-year-old
21:11
Callie just wandering around outside, Piper just said,
21:14
oh, I do it all the time, she's
21:16
fine. Okay,
21:19
well, she's three, but that's
21:21
cool. Another time, the
21:24
school nurse called to tell Melody she had to
21:26
come pick up her sick daughter. Oh, just
21:28
don't get her, Piper said, that's what I do.
21:32
Sure, girl, who cares if she gives six other
21:34
kids a stomach flu, right? Fuck
21:37
off. Sometimes, if she
21:39
was feeling down, Piper would simply lock the kids
21:41
out of the house and go to bed, which
21:43
I imagine for a millennial child might be an
21:45
upsetting experience. Because
21:48
unlike the generation that came before, y'all
21:50
weren't used to that. Our parents
21:52
would just kick us out and be like, come home
21:54
when it gets dark, I guess, because we have to
21:56
let you do No.
22:00
Nine These kids Late nineties. kids at the
22:03
upset. Through the front of. It's.
22:05
Terribly irresponsible. I get that.
22:08
By Ninety Ninety Eight, it wasn't unusual for
22:10
a nine year olds iceland to come out
22:12
onto the porch to ask her mom who
22:15
was working her way through a bottle of
22:17
wine what see Josselin, age nine should make
22:19
for dinner. Paper.
22:21
Was always dropping off her kids for Melody
22:23
to look after or if melodies higher nanny
22:25
for the nanny to look after. Without.
22:28
Any extra money that obviously is the
22:30
kind of thing you have to a
22:32
ask about first and be offered of
22:34
for can pay for neither of which
22:36
was paper style. She. And
22:39
Fred had their own nannies who just
22:41
like the maids back an awesome came
22:43
and went at a bewildering rate. Either
22:45
Piper fired him or they quit. Because.
22:47
She was awful to work for, so
22:49
one way or another, super mom. Piper went
22:52
to great lengths to avoid the actual
22:54
care giving part of parenting. She
22:56
soon as a look further for care than
22:58
neighbor. Melody hybrid been fun and exciting at
23:01
first, but Melty was getting tired of her
23:03
demands and her complete inability to read social
23:05
cues that it was time to us, you
23:07
know, leave Melodies started pulling her car into
23:09
the garage and like the rest of the
23:11
neighbors, just pretending to not be home when
23:14
Piper came around. Fred.
23:16
And Pipers marriage was not doing great at
23:18
this point. Fred's. Career was going
23:20
well, but it was hard work and he was spending
23:22
less and less time at home. Piper.
23:25
Who needed attention like most of us need
23:27
oxygen? Was not happy. And they started
23:29
seeing a marriage counselor. And
23:31
if she wasn't getting attention from Fred,
23:34
Piper would get it somewhere else. They.
23:36
Join the local swim and tennis club for
23:38
three hundred dollars a year. A place where
23:40
a lot of the neighborhood families would hang
23:43
out in the summer and Piper like to
23:45
strut around in a thong bathing suit that
23:47
showed her whole entire as so often that
23:49
other members complained. You know,
23:51
some families have teenage sons who are already
23:53
spending too much time in the bathroom with
23:55
the door locked up? Okay, Other
23:58
people have to get in their brain. So
24:04
you know, joining a tennis club is
24:06
already pretty busy. But Piper, without telling
24:08
Fred of course, went ahead and joined
24:10
a Snooty or Rain Tree Club as
24:12
well. His dues were a much steeper
24:14
hundred and thirty five dollars a month
24:16
see Ranger. He had daycare and Piper
24:18
could drop the kids off their while.
24:20
She went off to scurry around the
24:22
tennis courts, most often playing against hot
24:24
younger men Shoe soon, leaving the kids
24:26
for much longer than the maximum allowed
24:28
three hours, and despite the rule the
24:31
parents had to stay on the grounds,
24:33
she was nowhere. To be seen. Ah,
24:36
Whatever. Could this attractive, self
24:38
absorbed woman who feels neglected by her
24:40
husband be doing. Most.
24:44
Of the hot tennis player, that reentry was
24:46
what she was doing before settling into a
24:48
semi series affair with a boy toy in
24:51
his early twenties. He.
24:53
Was her first choice. Piper.
24:55
Had flirted with her Gp so much that he
24:57
made it a requirement that a female nurse always
25:00
be an examination with them. That paper wouldn't
25:02
try anything. First. Of
25:04
all, going to the doctor is like
25:06
already embarrassing right? Like Authority Like it's
25:08
a level of like I am like I
25:10
am Ill. The are
25:13
gonna look impassively at my body
25:15
with it's Isis just. Imagine like
25:17
they they've set. A rule
25:19
for used to the doctors is because
25:21
the doctors are uncomfortable. I would they
25:23
would. never to methods again. never smell. As.
25:26
Their marriage slowly fell apart. Paper and
25:29
Fred both started showing the less great
25:31
size of their personalities. Paper.
25:33
Became more impulsive and self absorbed. and
25:35
Fred, who always had something of Mr.
25:38
Spock and a soul, became colder and
25:40
more rigid. Friends. Notice that
25:42
they hardly ever touched each other. Fred.
25:44
Withdrawing affection and attention from Piper was only
25:46
gonna make things worse, of course, but it
25:48
wasn't going to work anyway. They. Were
25:50
to to fundamentally different for things to work
25:52
out well. People. like to say
25:55
opposites attract a that's true the for a
25:57
lot of people after the novelty wears off
25:59
the me thing they attract is divorce. Piper
26:04
started seeing a therapist who changed her ADHD
26:07
medication and gave her a prescription for Prozac.
26:09
And shortly after that, when one of her
26:11
friends started bitching about her husband over coffee,
26:13
Piper told her, you should
26:15
put Pete on Prozac. I've got Fred taking
26:18
it because I think he's depressed. He doesn't
26:20
know. I've been slipping in this coffee. Oh,
26:23
wow. Yeah, what better way to show concern for the
26:25
man you love than by slipping in the Mickey. I
26:29
don't even think this is the first time that
26:31
somebody did this in one of our cases. Oh,
26:33
no, this has come up a couple times. You're
26:35
right. And it's like always like, they're meds. And
26:37
it's like, bitch, take your meds. I
26:40
know. Fred
26:43
was just an NPC in Piper's life. She thought
26:45
of him more as a pet than a partner.
26:48
Petner? According to the
26:51
term, petner. Piper's
26:55
love affair flamed out when she found out that
26:57
her boy toy boyfriend was banging one of her
26:59
friends on the side. I'd
27:03
say she got a taste of her own medicine, but I am 100%
27:05
sure that Piper is not
27:07
familiar with the concept of irony. And
27:11
newly single, you know, except for her husband,
27:14
Piper started focusing on her legal
27:16
career again. The problem was,
27:19
she wasn't licensed to practice in Virginia. If
27:21
she'd done it soon after they moved to Richmond, she
27:24
could have applied to the state bar, but she hadn't
27:26
bothered and that window had closed. The
27:28
only way Piper could legally practice in Virginia
27:30
was under another attorney's supervision or if she
27:33
passed the Virginia bar exam. But
27:35
Piper wasn't about to let a little thing like the law
27:37
get in the way of her legal career. She
27:40
took on clients anyway, but because she was
27:42
terrible at her job, one client
27:44
complained to the bar who told Piper to knock
27:47
it the fuck off. Piper
27:49
appealed that the state should still grant her
27:51
a license based on her Texas qualifications, despite
27:53
her having missed the window to apply for
27:55
that. And you know, it probably
27:57
shouldn't matter that she dropped off her
27:59
appeal. to the board office while wearing a gold
28:01
bikini, but I'm guessing it didn't help. Like,
28:05
I don't want to judge anybody by appearance,
28:07
but I feel like
28:10
there's some decorum needed in that situation.
28:12
But I don't know, maybe if she'd
28:14
fully committed to cosplaying Princess Leia
28:16
with this old bikini, it would
28:18
have been better. I don't know, get some extensions,
28:23
some chains, I don't know, could have
28:25
helped. But
28:27
of course her appeal was denied that Piper would
28:29
have to pass the bar exam, which
28:31
she didn't, despite said getting her into
28:33
a review course at the University of Richmond Law
28:35
School and despite her bragging to her fellow students
28:38
about her few months as a prosecutor in Texas.
28:41
She sat in the back of the class doodling in a
28:43
sketchbook. She was a Piper motherfucking
28:46
round tree, a family genius after
28:48
all. Surely she could coast
28:50
through the bar exam like she'd coasted through
28:52
high school. That
29:01
could easily make it her blinking. That
29:20
could make a huge for
29:23
a lot. Thank you. Webpen bags.
29:56
And not only at her follow-up appointments. Not
29:59
long after they met. Dr. Jim and Piper
30:01
started screwing. And sometimes when paper
30:03
would take the kids out hiking or on
30:05
picnics, she'd bring a new boyfriend along. Later.
30:09
When Fred found out about the affair, he
30:11
was both furious and ten a bewildered. Unlike
30:14
her tennis club jocks, Doctor Davao was
30:16
then and balding and in fact look
30:18
just like Fred. The. Guy could
30:20
be my brother Fred would say but for
30:22
now Fred was in the dark. An arranged
30:24
to Christmas trip to the family to Disney
30:26
World. Piper. Didn't want to go.
30:29
Disney. World was so crass. A
30:31
place for the unsophisticated masses. About
30:34
which one get over your damn self and to
30:36
your kids are eleven, eight and five years old
30:38
and will love it and remember it for the
30:41
results of their lives. of. The.
30:43
Piper was determined to not have any fun.
30:46
In fact, when Christmas came around, she took
30:48
off with little Cali down to Texas to
30:50
stay with her sister. Tier, which I'm sure
30:52
was super fun for Cali. A: Who wants to
30:54
go to Disney Rights? Your brother and sister are
30:56
meeting Mickey Mouse with your dad that you get
30:59
to spend the holidays with. Your weird aren't
31:01
Instead, that's just as good, right? Seen
31:04
his goofy and. Tina
31:08
was a piece of work. She was
31:10
taller than fiber and serious and intense.
31:13
Like paper, she was smart and. Unlike
31:15
Piper, had something to show for it Her
31:18
own medical practice as a nurse practitioner. For.
31:20
All her professional success though her personal
31:22
life was a dumpster fire. Her first
31:25
husband was an attorney and just two
31:27
months after they got divorced Tina with
31:29
married again. Married
31:31
again after two minutes. To.
31:33
Use and gynecologists doctor prefer.
31:36
And those doctor had walked out on his
31:38
own thirty four year marriage at the same
31:40
time. And while I'm sure it's a seasonally
31:43
just coincidence, you show me a couple who
31:45
hook up right after they both get divorced
31:47
and I'm gonna go ahead and assume they
31:49
been bang and like a said house during
31:51
a hurricane. Okay, and obviously we can't draw
31:53
a straight line. Here of cause and effect.
31:56
But. Not long after, Doctor Prayer left his wife
31:58
very very sadly. she took her on. There's
32:01
an rig apparently saw cause for blame
32:03
though, and he sued his dad. The
32:06
Tina who enjoyed psychoanalyzing people despite
32:08
a complete lack of training to
32:10
do so. Road Rick a letter.
32:13
It's. Like you're all stuck at three years old.
32:15
Someone takes your toy away and you either
32:17
hit the kid back or just withdraw from
32:19
the big mean thing that took your toy
32:21
away. Took. Your toy
32:24
away. This guy just lost his mother.
32:27
Teases. You know she was smirking so much when
32:29
she wrote that I can see I can envision her
32:31
face and like. It's just. Sometimes.
32:35
There's. No deep, meaningful reason why people
32:37
don't like you. Sometimes.
32:40
It's because you're an inflamed asshole.
32:42
Yeah, I think we know which one it is here. The.
32:46
Lawsuit didn't go anywhere because Rick
32:48
also took his own life. Seen.
32:51
As marriage, the doctor Braver didn't last
32:53
long, ending in an acrimonious divorce after
32:55
just a few years. So.
32:58
Far Tina had married an attorney and a doctor,
33:00
so you might be forgiven for thinking she had
33:02
a mental rule that said your bank account has
33:04
to be At Least install The Go On this
33:06
ride. And she certainly kept
33:08
that pattern going With has been number three:
33:10
Grant Heat Sig, a millionaire with his own
33:12
oil company. He. And Sina had
33:14
dated for a while then broke up and then
33:17
seen a came back into his life when he
33:19
was diagnosed with a brain tumor and didn't have
33:21
long to live. In. October
33:23
Nineteen, Ninety Nine Just a week after
33:25
he'd had brain surgery, Chino whisked him
33:27
up to Vegas for a surprise wedding
33:29
she'd set up. And
33:31
you're a little life advice. Don't.
33:34
Have something that can be described as a
33:36
surprise wedding. If one of the people be
33:38
in surprise is the bride or groom. But.
33:42
Grant said yes, probably thinking what a
33:44
lot of their mutual friends were thinking,
33:46
that Tina as a nurse was just
33:48
what Grant needed. someone kind to look
33:51
after him for his difficult, you know,
33:53
final months of life. But that one?
33:55
What happened. Tina. immediately
33:57
father ran off onto a series of
33:59
paid caregivers and barely spent any time
34:02
with him. Grant was
34:04
no pushover and figured out Tina was
34:06
just after his cash. Six
34:08
months after the marriage in Vegas he filed for
34:10
an annulment. Instead
34:13
of Grant's millions Tina left the marriage with
34:15
50 grand in a gym membership. Grant
34:17
died six months after the marriage ended right around
34:20
the time Piper and Callie came down to visit.
34:23
After Christmas Fred flew down to Texas and
34:25
made Piper an offer. If she
34:27
would try to make the marriage work
34:30
he'd start looking for a new job down in Texas
34:32
so Piper could be close to her family again. Piper
34:35
agreed but her heart wasn't in it. She
34:38
wasn't back in Virginia for long before she moved out
34:40
of the house on Hearthglow Lane to stay with a
34:43
girlfriend who was going through divorce. Everyone
34:45
who knew Piper could see she was wound even
34:48
tighter than usual while twitchy and brittle. Part
34:50
of that was probably medicinal. When
34:53
she was over at her neighbor Mel's one
34:55
time Piper took a couple of Adderall. She
34:57
had a prescription but that wasn't what she
34:59
was taking. These are Jocelyn's she told Mel.
35:02
Have you ever tried Adderall? They're great. Yeah
35:05
and your daughter needs them dumbass.
35:09
Yeah she would take her own and then she would take her
35:11
daughter's like so she could use twice as much I guess. Awful.
35:16
Piper got weirder and weirder. She took Jocelyn
35:18
for an appointment with Dr. Gable then took all
35:20
three kids and checked into a hotel where she
35:22
immediately started fretting that Fred would call the cops
35:24
on her and they'd kick in the door in
35:27
any minute. She canceled an appointment with
35:29
her therapist because she was sure Fred would have the
35:31
cops waiting for her there. And
35:33
then she went to a magistrate's office to file
35:35
a restraining order and an arrest warrant against Fred
35:37
for domestic violence. This was
35:39
completely bogus. We said it before
35:42
but it's important to say it again. The vast
35:44
majority of domestic abuse allegations are honest.
35:47
We see false accusations a lot on our show
35:49
but that's because we talk about awful people.
35:52
These people are not the norm. These
35:54
are assholes. Let's just be frank. They're
35:56
dicks. So
35:58
Fred was arrested at work at the University of Richmond
36:01
and marched out to a squad car by two cops in
36:03
front of his students and colleagues. I'm
36:05
guessing that was one of the worst moments of his
36:07
life. When he
36:09
was released, he wasn't allowed to go home because
36:12
of their straining order, so he moved into a
36:14
motel near campus. Whatever
36:16
slim hopes he had had of rescuing their
36:18
marriage were dead now. Fred
36:20
hired an attorney and asked for temporary custody
36:22
of the kids, arguing they weren't safe with
36:24
Piper, and the judge agreed. When
36:27
Piper found out, she had him arrested
36:29
again on another fake domestic violence charge.
36:33
While he was waiting to be released, Piper had
36:35
movers come to the house to take the best
36:37
pieces of furniture to a townhouse she'd rented. She
36:40
also took a piano, a set of pearls, and
36:42
a wedding ring that had all belonged to Fred's
36:44
mother. As an attorney,
36:46
she probably should have anticipated what happened next.
36:48
With Piper moving out, Fred
36:50
filed for divorce on grounds of
36:53
desertion. Well, she was a shitty attorney,
36:55
remember. Yeah, maybe this was a surprise
36:57
to her. The
36:59
divorce was contentious, especially when Fred found
37:02
out about Piper's affair with Dr. Gable
37:04
and realized he could add adultery to
37:06
his case. The domestic violence charges against
37:08
Fred had been dropped after Piper didn't
37:10
bother to show up for a hearing,
37:13
and Fred's attorneys though used those false
37:15
charges against Piper. Piper
37:18
didn't help herself out much either. She kept
37:20
breaking into the house on Hearthglow Lane and
37:22
taking stuff when Fred was out. The
37:25
house was still equally in her name, so
37:27
police couldn't really do anything, but it bolstered
37:29
Fred's argument that Piper was erratic and couldn't
37:31
be trusted with the kids. She
37:34
was also careless with her email lists, accidentally
37:36
ceasing Fred on replies to friends about how
37:39
to listen to angels. She
37:41
even ceased nine-year-old Paxton on an email
37:43
about an idea she'd had for a
37:45
video game joystick that doubled his sex
37:47
toy. Oh, for God's sake.
37:49
I mean, I'm not saying it's not
37:51
a great idea. It's obviously a great
37:53
idea, but just don't send it to
37:55
your child, Piper. You absolute
37:58
dingleberry. Also, if Piper's
38:00
listening to her angels at this point,
38:02
she should stop. Because I don't
38:04
think the angels are sending Piper their best people.
38:07
She's got like Chris Angel. That's
38:12
Piper's Angel. The
38:14
widely shared emails also gave everybody a
38:17
front row seat to Piper's disintegrating relationship
38:19
with Dr. Gable, which quickly went from
38:21
Piper gushing that he was the one
38:23
to complaining that he was trying to
38:25
reconnect with his wife. I
38:27
don't know if the Gables ever worked things out. I
38:29
mean, he should consider himself lucky his wife was even
38:31
giving him the time of day at this point. But
38:33
Dr. Jim was out of Piper's life in short order.
38:37
When she was deposed in court, Piper
38:39
came across as a loon and
38:41
a bizarre fantasist. She had qualifications
38:43
as a master chef and a
38:45
mineralogist. She was a master diver
38:47
who had trained Navy SEALs bitch.
38:49
What? She's
38:51
pulling this shit out of her ass. She
38:54
had a qualification as a bard from Cambridge
38:56
University and was working on getting one as
38:58
a druid, which makes me think that there
39:00
has to be like two different Cambridge universities,
39:02
right? Like one in England and one founded
39:04
by Gary Gygax. I
39:09
think she just assumed that England
39:12
was just actually a magical realm.
39:14
I mean, I like, like I
39:16
could just see it her brain. She's like, well, all
39:18
these fantasy characters speak in British accents.
39:21
So yeah, it's basically just middle earth.
39:23
Middle earth. She's
39:26
like, she's like, she steps off the plane in London
39:28
and she's like, we're all the hobbits. Dragons.
39:34
My angels told me there would be dragons. We
39:38
keep telling you Piper, that guy is Chris
39:40
Angel. He's just, he's just trying to recruit
39:42
you for his new magic show. Stop listening to
39:44
him. He's just hanging around her and she just
39:46
thinks. Look
39:49
at his eyeliner. It's so perfect.
39:51
He can levitate. Are you kidding me?
39:54
I know, right? He's a magic man,
39:56
mama. And here's one
39:58
for our attorney list. Is
40:01
it a good sign when a judge tells
40:03
your lawyer, your client's credibility is an issue?
40:05
Because I have three columns of things here
40:07
that she told me at different times that
40:09
are not consistent? Because I don't think that's
40:11
a good sign, probably. The
40:15
custody decision came down in March 2002. Piper
40:19
and Fred would share joint legal custody of
40:21
all three kids, but Fred would have permanent
40:23
physical custody. Just
40:25
days after the decision, Piper
40:27
emailed friends, family and neighbors
40:29
what she described as a
40:31
court report called Jablens Psychological
40:33
Profile. This was a 42
40:36
page character assassination by amateur psychologist
40:39
Tina, who lied about her credentials
40:41
for doing it. She
40:43
described Fred as angry and violent, a controlling
40:46
narcissist who beat his kids and had driven
40:48
his daughter to the brink of suicide. Fred
40:51
was Jewish, Jews Tina said had
40:53
a persecution complex. Divorced
40:57
court chain emails with a sprinkle
41:00
of anti-Semitism. Really,
41:02
truly fantastic
41:04
work from the psychosisters. Some of their best.
41:07
Yeah, and this backfired spectacularly.
41:10
The next time they were in front
41:12
of a judge with this email taking
41:14
center stage, Piper's visitations were severely cut
41:16
and Fred was granted sole custody of
41:19
their kids. The judge
41:21
also went ahead and divorced them, then and there.
41:24
Piper was furious. When
41:26
people asked how she had lost custody, she
41:28
didn't own up to any of her own
41:31
behavior, but insisted Fred had manipulated the court
41:33
and judges, making on like Fred's PhD in
41:35
communication, let him control minds like Professor X.
41:39
For Piper, no custody also meant no
41:41
child support. Even without passing
41:43
the bar, she could certainly have found work
41:45
in Richmond. There was, for example, great demand
41:47
for paralegal work, which she was more than
41:50
qualified to do, but Piper didn't really like
41:52
the whole working thing. And within
41:54
a month, she'd packed up a U-Haul and
41:56
headed down to Texas to stay with sister
41:58
slash sick event Tina in Houston. Tina
42:01
was used to bossing people around, especially
42:03
her little sister. While
42:06
Piper was still on the road, Tina had
42:08
gotten in touch with an attorney friend of
42:10
hers, Marty McVeigh, and talked him into renting
42:12
out an unused office to Piper so she
42:14
could kickstart her career in Texas. McVeigh
42:16
gave her minor cases he didn't have time
42:18
for, in return for a percentage of her
42:21
fees. Still, before long,
42:23
every time McVeigh asked for the $500
42:25
rent, Piper would just breezily say, I
42:28
don't have it. Sorry.
42:31
He would have kicked her out, but his girlfriend
42:33
talked him into cutting Piper some slack because she'd
42:35
had a rough time. Everyone
42:38
in Houston, of course, only heard Piper and
42:40
Tina's version of her divorce. She
42:42
might not have been able to pay rent,
42:45
but Piper always had designer suits or fancy
42:47
cowboy boots, and she and Tina frequently went
42:49
out to she-she restaurants and bars where Piper
42:51
would spend all night flirting, hopping from one
42:53
guy's lap to another like a little bee
42:56
gathering pollen from the flowers. She
42:58
was certainly having too much fun down in
43:00
Houston to bother going back to Virginia for
43:02
the hearing on her financial settlement with Fred.
43:05
With Piper gone, Fred showed the judge a
43:07
letter she'd written, bragging that she was sure
43:10
to be working for a big law firm
43:12
within weeks. Oh great,
43:14
the judge said, and ordered her to start paying Fred $900
43:16
a month in child sports.
43:19
Dope. Dope. Ooh,
43:22
fuck around and find out. Oopsie
43:24
daisy. Piper
43:26
tried to declare bankruptcy to delay making
43:28
payments, but the case was dismissed when she didn't
43:30
bother showing up for a hearing. Oh
43:32
my god. Again. Are
43:35
we starting to see how she lost all her lawyer jobs?
43:40
She just shows up to court when she feels like it. Yeah.
43:44
Things were getting tight for her financially, and
43:46
they didn't improve when Marty McVey finally booted
43:48
her ass from his office. Piper
43:51
hadn't been paying him anything from cases he'd
43:53
referred to her, and had even taken on
43:55
clients in his name, getting them to pay
43:57
deposits, and then just forgot about him. Oh
44:00
jeez Louise. Time
44:02
passed and from the outside it seemed like both
44:05
Fred and Piper were moving on. They
44:07
were both dating new people and Piper had landed
44:09
a job working out mineral rights for
44:11
oil companies. Fred said
44:13
he thought Piper, a 44 year old woman,
44:16
had finally started to mature.
44:20
But Piper was not moving on. She
44:22
was instead moving toward a point where she'd get
44:24
everything she wanted. She was
44:26
doing alright but she'd certainly be doing better without
44:28
that $900 child support payment
44:31
every month. Not to mention the
44:33
$200,000 life insurance policy Fred had.
44:35
Of course, which Piper was still
44:37
the beneficiary. People. If
44:40
you break up with someone, change your damn insurance
44:42
policy. Please, I'm begging you. Just
44:45
add it to the list of, you know, figure out which
44:47
DVDs belong to who, figure
44:49
out like who owns the couch, and
44:51
also change your insurance policy. I swear to God. Piper's
44:56
sister Tina had a new boyfriend and she'd
44:58
finally broken the gold digger pattern with this
45:00
one. Mac McClanahan
45:02
was a DJ, an aging rocker who was
45:04
into music and computers. I mean we all
45:06
have phases right? In
45:09
October of 2004 he mentioned to Piper
45:11
that he was going over to a gun range and
45:13
she said it sounded like fun and she'd like to
45:15
come too. So after work they
45:17
stopped at Tina's where Mac was staying to pick
45:19
up his gun. They drove to
45:22
the range where they rented a .22 pistol for Piper
45:24
to shoot. Mac
45:26
showed her how to aim and operate the gun and
45:28
they blasted away at the targets for a while before
45:30
Piper disappeared and came back with a heavier .38 caliber
45:32
revolver. Mac
45:35
assumed she'd gone and rented it but the range
45:37
records would later show that wasn't the case. This
45:40
was her own gun. Mac
45:42
showed her how to shoot it. She had real good aim.
45:45
Fred Jablun, medical examiners would later determine,
45:47
had most likely been killed with a
45:49
.38 caliber round. In
45:52
that last week of October 2004 there
45:54
was something that initially irritated Mac but
45:57
seemed a little sinister later on. Over
46:00
and over, Piper and Tina would play Katie
46:02
Lang's cover of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah. It's
46:05
a great song, but if you play anything on
46:07
repeat, it's gonna drive somebody bonkers. But
46:10
the Roundtree Girls couldn't get enough of it. What
46:13
stuck in Max's mind were the lines, "...maybe
46:15
there's a God above, but all that I've ever
46:18
learned from love was how to shoot somebody who
46:20
outdrew ya." At
46:22
Hobby Airport in Houston, the morning before Fred
46:25
Jablun was murdered, a blonde woman checked
46:27
into the Southwest Airlines flight to Virginia
46:30
using ID that named her as Tina Roundtree.
46:33
When investigators spoke to her a couple days
46:35
later, the ticket agent recalled the interaction because
46:37
she remembered thinking the woman's name was cute.
46:41
The name wasn't the only cute thing. I
46:44
remember this, she told investigators. She
46:46
was really a cute woman, nicely dressed.
46:48
I'm not a lesbian, but she was
46:50
really attractive. And she was wearing a blonde
46:52
wig. Okay. Tina
46:55
was blonde. Piper's natural
46:57
color, which she had now, was brunette.
47:01
When investigators showed the ticket agent a picture of
47:03
Piper, though, she had no doubts. That
47:05
her. She also told
47:07
him that the purported Tina, actually Piper in
47:09
an unconvincing wig, had checked a gun, a
47:11
.38 caliber revolver. When
47:15
she landed in Norfolk, Virginia, Piper tried
47:17
and failed to be inconspicuous. It
47:20
was warm out, but she had on a hat,
47:22
a coat, and a scarf, as well as sunglasses,
47:24
like a spy from a cartoon. Trying
47:27
to be sneaky, she went away from the
47:29
airport before hiring a car, which landed her
47:31
at Eagle Rentals on North Military Highway. Piper
47:34
was the only white woman they'd rented to
47:36
in weeks, so they remembered her vividly. And
47:39
the only vehicle they had available was
47:41
a big maroon Windstar minivan, so Operation
47:43
Inconspicuous was going just great. Piper
47:47
drove to Richmond and checked in at the
47:50
Homestead Suites, just a few miles from her
47:52
old house on Hearthglow Lane. She
47:54
used Tina's ID to check in, but then, in a
47:56
move that would successfully slow down investigators just a little
47:58
bit, she was a little bit scared. asked
48:00
for the name on the registration to be
48:03
changed to Geraldine Smith. This
48:05
wasn't the first time the desk manager had had a
48:07
woman asked to change a registration. Often
48:09
it was done by women trying to escape
48:11
abusive spouses and partners. So she made
48:14
the change. That
48:16
afternoon Piper called her son Paxton. When
48:19
he asked where she was, she said she was
48:21
in Texas, driving home from Galveston. She
48:23
called the house later on and spoke to her daughter
48:25
Callie. Both kids had no doubt
48:27
at all that it was their mom on the phone
48:30
and not, for example, weird Aunt Tina. In
48:33
the early darkness of Saturday morning, Piper ambushed
48:35
her ex-husband Fred as he went to pick
48:37
up his morning paper and shot him dead
48:39
and ran away. Did
48:41
she speak to him first? Did he have
48:44
any idea what was happening? We'll probably
48:46
never know. Then
48:48
Piper either started or continued drinking.
48:51
A little while later, a clerk at a
48:53
convenience store remembered Piper in a long blonde
48:55
wig complaining that she couldn't get money out
48:57
of the ATM. Her breath
48:59
reeked of liquor. She
49:02
checked out of the homestead suites and drove
49:04
back to Norfolk to return her rental car
49:06
where she again managed to make an impression.
49:08
The guy working there remembered her well enough
49:10
to recognize a photograph and would tell investigators
49:12
she was a nice lady, attractive. Piper
49:16
flew back to Texas. The
49:18
detectives in Richmond had been working fast, and while
49:20
Piper was in the air, they found out that
49:22
a Tina roundtree was on her way back to
49:25
Houston. They had local police
49:27
go to the airport to try and intercept her
49:29
so they could nail down who was actually on
49:31
the flight, but they couldn't pick Piper out of
49:33
all the exiting passengers. Later
49:36
on, Piper went to a bar close to
49:38
Tina's house called the Under the Volcano and
49:40
had a grand old time with everybody dressed
49:42
up for Halloween. So
49:44
what was going on here? Was
49:47
Piper really trying to set up her sister to
49:49
take the fall for Fred's murder? Probably
49:51
not. Tina had a rock solid
49:54
alibi for the time of Fred's murder. In
49:56
fact, you could almost say that Tina's
49:58
alibi was suspiciously stupid. She'd
50:01
called up an old boyfriend out of the blue, an
50:03
oil exec who'd make for an excellent witness.
50:06
They'd gone out for dinner and Tina'd spent the night
50:08
at his place. In the morning,
50:10
she'd gone to work, where tons of people saw her. There
50:13
was no way she could have been in Virginia to shoot
50:15
Fred. Piper might have
50:17
been a terrible attorney, but she knew perfectly
50:19
well what reasonable doubt was. If
50:22
she could just sow some confusion about who had
50:24
actually been on that Southwest flight to Virginia, maybe
50:26
she could wriggle out of future trouble. The
50:29
Saturday night trip to Under the Volcano was also
50:31
part of the plan. Piper and
50:33
Tina went back there later in the week, asking
50:36
if anybody remembered seeing Piper there on Friday night.
50:39
I got a call from Virginia police, she
50:41
said. My ex-boyfriend I lived with four years
50:43
ago was stabbed to death on Saturday morning.
50:45
They want to know where I was. Piper
50:48
was nothing if not memorable, and she was
50:51
rolling the dice that a patron might misremember
50:53
seeing her on Saturday with Friday. Sure
50:56
enough, one guy, Kevin O'Keefe, thought he remembered
50:58
Piper from Friday night. He gave
51:00
her his phone number so the police could call him if they had
51:02
to. Then Tina walked up, put
51:05
her hand on Piper's shoulder, and said, Piper,
51:08
we need to talk outside right now. It's
51:10
about my period. It's
51:13
about my period.
51:17
Oh, good job. Way
51:19
to be subtle. It's so weird.
51:21
It's almost like you'd expect some
51:23
clueless male screenwriter to have a
51:26
woman say to get another woman
51:28
alone for a private conversation, like
51:30
in a comedy or something. So
51:33
bad. That's women
51:36
for you, always yapping about
51:38
our periods to each other. Operation
51:41
inconspicuous. See? God. She
51:46
was dressed like she was going on
51:48
a snow expedition driving a giant
51:51
purple car. And
51:54
a blonde wig from Party City. Now
51:57
she's like, come, sister. discuss
52:01
our menses.
52:06
The two women left
52:08
poor confused Kevin but
52:10
came back half an
52:13
hour later with a
52:15
notary, trying to get him to sign
52:17
a statement. Here
52:19
we brought this notion of like it's so
52:22
weird, the most inconsiguous
52:24
operation that was ever
52:26
ever operated. We
52:31
were outside discussing menstruation and
52:33
this person happened to pass by who's a
52:37
notary. Wouldn't you know? Anyway,
52:41
Kevin, bless him, refused
52:43
and good for him. When
52:45
the bar checked the receipts it would turn out
52:47
he hadn't been there on Friday night at
52:49
all, only Saturday. One
52:52
thing Piper hadn't thought of because she was
52:54
apparently completely oblivious to the possibility was that
52:57
police could track cell phone use. The
52:59
records put Piper's phone all over Richmond
53:02
in the hours around Fred's death and
53:04
when Piper tried to claim that didn't prove
53:06
she'd been there just her phone, which she'd
53:08
lost days ago, well there
53:11
were those calls on Friday to Paxton and
53:13
Callie, both made from Richmond. The
53:16
kids of course knew their mom's voice. All
53:19
her running around had left investigators with a
53:21
lot of legwork to do but when they
53:23
put together all the phone records and eyewitness
53:25
testimony it was clear they had a solid
53:27
case against Piper Roundtree for the murder of
53:29
Fred Jablun. There was an emergency custody
53:32
hearing on November 8th. The
53:34
Jablun kids had been staying with Fred's brother
53:36
Michael and his wife. Fred's will
53:39
indicated that he wanted that to be the permanent
53:41
solution but Piper of course would
53:43
contest that and she'd have to
53:45
show up in Virginia to do so. In
53:47
court. Her cryptonite
53:50
showing up in court. It
53:54
was a bad day for Piper all around. The
53:56
judge ruled the kids were safest right where they
53:58
were till the criminal investigation concluded, and
54:01
as Piper drove away, the police boxed in
54:03
her car and put the old habeas grabbous on her
54:05
at gunpoint. For all
54:07
of Piper's efforts, it was pretty clear at trial
54:09
that her goose was cooked, though
54:11
cell phone records just weren't going away.
54:14
Piper threw out increasingly weird alternate theories.
54:16
Fred's new girlfriend had killed him, his
54:18
brother had killed him, Fred was a
54:21
big time weed dealer and competitors had
54:23
killed him, the University of Richmond had
54:25
killed him to cover up a scandal. That's
54:28
the funniest one. That's so good.
54:30
It's just, wow. I've
54:33
worked in academia. No,
54:37
no, they would, they would not.
54:40
The University of Richmond, by the way, is a
54:42
liberal arts college with just 4000 students, not really
54:44
the kind of place likely to have hit men on
54:46
the payroll. The
54:48
defense's best bet was probably some kind
54:51
of diminished capacity argument because Piper was
54:53
clearly a few crystals short of a
54:55
chandelier. But for that, she'd have
54:57
to admit she did it, and Piper was not
55:01
having that. The
55:03
jury reached a verdict in what might be
55:05
a TCC record, less than an hour.
55:08
Most, you know, most of the observers in the
55:10
courtroom were still out to lunch when the jury
55:13
came back. Piper
55:15
Roundtree was found guilty of first degree murder.
55:18
But the verdict clearly didn't shock Piper back
55:20
to reality. At her sentencing hearing,
55:23
she stated that Fred had felony convictions in
55:25
three states, the kind of nonsensical lie that's
55:27
pretty easy for a court to check up
55:29
on. Piper was sentenced to
55:31
life in prison. She's had two parole hearings so far
55:33
in 2020 and 2023, and
55:36
gotten a big nope both
55:38
times. She's 63 years old.
55:42
Tina Roundtree was arrested on the same day
55:44
as Piper and charged with evidence tampering for
55:46
helping Piper ditch her wig and computer. She
55:49
got a plea deal that gave her nine months
55:51
community service and let her keep her license to
55:53
practice medicine. Prosecutors have said
55:55
they don't think she knew anything about the murder,
55:57
which I suspect just means they know they'd never
55:59
be. be able to convict her of anything. Yeah,
56:02
I think she knew exactly what Piper was
56:04
doing. I think she helped her plan it,
56:06
just my opinion. And several members of Piper's
56:08
jury told 48 hours they think
56:10
the same thing. Tina died in 2020.
56:15
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56:17
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