0:39

graham garage

0:41

where have you are whatever you were doing saints

0:44

were listening i'm your host nick and with

0:46

me as always is amanda wonders

0:48

why is it that when your arms get

0:50

shorter your pocket skin deep here

0:52

is the cat and why when the bears

0:55

get bigger the twig gets

0:57

smaller as could be seen as good to see

0:59

you there for listening thanks for telling

1:01

of

1:07

the day we are slow steady sipping

1:10

on some goes bridge imperial

1:12

stout from singing river brewing company

1:15

is beautiful beer t and r features

1:17

the mythical goes the provided privacy

1:19

to the bootleggers to cells around the

1:21

souls a be v nine

1:24

point six percent garage great for

1:26

and a quarter bottle caps and

1:28

of five and let's give some praise

1:30

and thank you to our friends for helping us out

1:33

this week's set of shows first

1:35

up at sears to leah in

1:38

essen germany and a big cheers

1:40

the joe long and molo see

1:42

in virginia and last

1:44

but certainly not least we have a whole team

1:46

of wonderful listeners it deserve a cheers

1:49

and a shout out to the office girls

1:51

a canine caviar in riverside

1:53

california everyone we mention

1:56

winter our website helped us out with this week

1:58

we're run and for that we

1:59

yeah b w w are

2:02

you in beer run of you need some

2:04

more true crime garage for your your balls check

2:06

out our bought a show called off the

2:08

record over a hundred and sixty

2:10

episodes you don't wanna miss

2:13

this podcast it's oprah's favorite

2:15

it's will ferrell's favorite it's it's

2:17

the new kids on kids blocks favorite podcast

2:21

you can find that at true crime garage dot

2:23

com and make sure you tell make friend

2:25

colonel that is enough the business

2:27

all right everybody gather round grab round

2:29

chair grab a beer let's

2:31

talk some true crime

2:49

you're telling you the things in

2:51

the timeline regarding the missing

2:53

and disappearance of a priceless

2:55

pisa we're going to get weird well

2:57

here we go we're

3:00

starting off in the wee hours of august

3:02

twenty ninth two thousand

3:04

and thirteen at one am

3:06

bryce has a phone call with his mother

3:09

this is one of several phone

3:11

calls that he has with his mother karen

3:13

leading up to his disappearance now

3:16

we do not know what they discussed on

3:18

this phone calls however we

3:20

are in later told the his mother

3:22

karen believe that bryce would be

3:24

calling from his apartment which

3:26

is located in rockland of california

3:29

later we learn do to phone

3:31

records the bryce was actually

3:33

calling from a location about an hour's

3:36

drive south

3:37

rock what

3:39

i'm going to go ahead and make the assumption

3:41

captain that bryce was calling from

3:43

his vehicles it would be really

3:45

interesting to know what they discussed in

3:47

this call leading up to

3:49

this point in our timeline we have

3:52

bryce sued left his girlfriend's home

3:54

him his girlfriend saw

3:56

the he was going back to his apartment this

3:59

after break in up with her he speaks

4:01

with his mother at kim's apartment

4:03

before leaving their during

4:06

their phone call and that conversation

4:08

he is already told his mom that he has a lot

4:11

of things to discuss with her now

4:14

and eleven a yeah we find out

4:17

herron finds out that

4:19

the toilet a highlander the braces

4:21

driving was in need of

4:23

roadside assistance the

4:25

way that this goes down captain is

4:28

rice was sitting in his

4:30

vehicle which they state was

4:33

pretty much the middle of nowhere for

4:36

couple of hours around eleven

4:38

am here and his mother received

4:40

a call that at around

4:42

nine am two hours earlier

4:45

right in the toilet a highlander needed

4:48

a roadside assistance so the

4:50

way that this goes down and we talked about this

4:52

on yesterday show rice was

4:54

driving a vehicle given to him by

4:56

his parents car insurance

4:59

paid for by mom and dad the

5:01

cellphone mom and dad the

5:04

as a credit card which i'm assuming as for

5:06

necessities or emergencies that

5:08

is in fact mom and dad's

5:11

credit card makes sense so

5:13

knowing that information in the little

5:15

bits of information we have here i'm

5:17

going to go ahead and make the assumption that the call

5:20

receive from care and is from

5:22

the credit card company saying hey there's a charge

5:25

by the way on your card at

5:27

a town in this is what it's for

5:29

for the charge was for a

5:32

the company called castro tire

5:34

and truck which is located in button

5:37

willow california

5:39

captain button will i was my nickname and

5:41

high school so karen either receives

5:43

a phone call from her car insurance

5:45

or from her credit card however

5:48

she is notified of this information

5:50

what we learn is it there's a charge

5:52

for castro tire and truck

5:54

and button willow california

5:57

and around noon

5:59

the

6:01

we have a situation where

6:03

bryce me a roadside assistance what what kind

6:06

of assistance city needs he needed

6:08

there's in the tank is tainted run

6:10

out of gas while he was drive

6:13

though

6:14

the man goes out to wear braces

6:16

delivering three gallons of

6:18

gas the brisas

6:21

found sitting in his vehicle and

6:23

what is called quote the middle of nowhere

6:26

well the representative

6:29

from castro tire whole

6:33

karen then stated that bryce

6:35

ran outta gas and that after

6:37

he went and helped bryce bryce

6:40

went to go philip his tank this

6:42

is around noon and

6:45

at that time bryce

6:48

had estimated that his arrival

6:50

home so now karen as a way that aware

6:53

that braces on his way to their

6:55

home in laguna niguel is

6:57

estimated time of arrival at their

7:00

home would be three the three thirty pm

7:02

approximately on that day well

7:05

unfortunately by six

7:07

pm so now we have six hours the

7:10

transpire between here

7:12

in knowing where braces filling up the

7:15

the tank with gas at noon six

7:18

hours has gone by

7:20

and

7:21

mom and dad don't know where braces he

7:23

should have been home hours ago

7:25

the wonder they do they do the

7:27

right thing here they

7:30

call in to the authorities and

7:33

report their son miss the

7:36

missing persons report is filed

7:38

on bryce the

7:40

pieces behalf

7:42

mean maybe if you're trying to get to the next

7:44

exit or something like that that you'd miss

7:46

that you're running low on gas

7:49

or maybe there's something wrong with surrogates

7:53

specially when i'm driving

7:56

long distance while the things

7:58

i'm constantly checking

8:00

there's my speed and how much gas

8:02

i haven't when should i stop

8:05

the seems like he was pay no attention

8:07

to this

8:08

war may not have cared for

8:11

any number of reasons bargain he

8:13

could have been a manic state it

8:15

it's is difficult to think that you'd

8:17

be in a manic state when his mom as same

8:20

the act in any difference and then

8:22

maybe through the text messages

8:25

the girl from a big boys aren't really acting that

8:27

much different but he went to visit her

8:29

it wasn't my see is you

8:31

know

8:32

waving all these red flag sane

8:35

he was acting like a madman so this

8:37

is where things get incredibly walkie

8:39

right so we have the person the missing

8:41

persons report this file by his parents

8:44

i'm guessing that they're able to put these

8:46

things and action so quickly because

8:48

these items belong to them

8:51

or they're the ones making the payments the

8:53

on them so likely braces

8:55

phone is in their name

8:57

the parents call eighty and see and do an emergency

9:00

paying on the phone the pink show

9:02

that bryce was still in button willow

9:05

he's been he's been out of contact

9:08

for long enough were concerned that he's missing

9:10

it's been about six hours or so since we've

9:12

talked to him so we file a missing persons report

9:15

yet when weeping his phone is phone

9:17

is still in the general area where he

9:19

was six hours prior right

9:21

with car broke down whereby and out

9:23

against her so

9:26

the police go out there looking for bryce

9:28

and they find him find a location that is

9:30

reported to be only eight miles

9:32

away from where from where at noon the

9:35

deputies say that bryce was

9:38

he seemed pretty lucid now

9:40

they were a little reluctant

9:43

they're wondering why he's been reported

9:45

missing yet he's

9:48

pretty close to where he was last time he spoke

9:50

to anybody and

9:53

so they do submit him

9:55

to a field sobriety test

9:57

the make sure everything's fine but he passed

9:59

the

10:01

this test poppers are how bizarre and

10:04

they're telling him how you need a call your parents

10:06

let them know where you are at because

10:09

they we're only out here looking for

10:11

you because they are so

10:13

worried

10:14

they filed a missing persons report about

10:16

you one i like this you know i

10:18

know a lot of parents for use

10:20

owning the cell phone and owning the car

10:23

and things like that too

10:25

their benefit as far as we can take this

10:27

away from you if you don't wanna

10:29

act accordingly to what we want but

10:31

it seems like he has really good parents

10:33

really good family really good friends got a friend

10:35

that's coin your mother

10:37

number one call your friend's mother he got

10:40

really good friends

10:41

it takes off

10:43

this doesn't make any sense but the they're

10:46

they're smart intelligent individuals

10:48

one hey we have

10:50

these are our phones we can use

10:52

this technology to our advantage

10:55

because he so far away but

10:58

it just doesn't make any sense that

11:00

the you said what use eight miles away

11:03

from where you originally was six

11:06

hours prior

11:07

the make any sense unless

11:09

unless he told officers of i pulled over

11:12

to take a nap

11:13

something well it obviously you during

11:16

all of this time the parents are trying

11:18

to get a hold of him he's not answering his

11:20

phone we don't know why braces not

11:22

here unfortunately to tell us why

11:25

he was choosing not to answer his phone maybe

11:27

the phone was dead i don't know but they

11:29

report him missing the police find

11:31

him he's only eight miles away

11:33

where he was it that the

11:35

general story is this captain the he travels

11:38

about eight miles in the course of nine

11:40

hours

11:41

he was driving various sources for

11:43

i think i could push

11:44

toyota highlander on foot

11:46

maybe that's what he he decided to do i don't want

11:49

to use any of this gas and i'm going to get out and push

11:51

he

11:57

doesn't want to talk

11:59

to his parents

11:59

adding to the police they make him speak

12:02

with his parents via the his cell phone

12:04

during this he agrees

12:06

that he's going to be coming home now

12:09

story here gets a little weird because

12:11

we have a lot of people kind of coming in and out

12:13

of the stories and whatever braces

12:16

up to nobody seems to really know

12:18

what he is up to because again

12:21

eight miles traveled in the course of nine hours

12:24

he gets help from this christian fellow from

12:27

castro who gives them three gallons

12:29

of gas he fills up his tanks

12:32

and he's only three hours away from his parents'

12:34

home yet he doesn't seem to be

12:36

making any headway to getting

12:38

their nor does he seem to care to

12:40

get there at this point and

12:43

then again christian goes back out from

12:46

the castro tire interest when

12:49

he finds rice

12:51

once again

12:53

now tommy rees made it more

12:55

than eight miles

12:57

i believe this isn't the same location

12:59

as before where he was located before the

13:02

the exactly i'm on this is freaking bizarre

13:04

so christians talking to care

13:06

and yeah on the phone by says mom

13:08

saying lucky even the same

13:11

spot as just doesn't make

13:13

sense he's here almost

13:15

ten hours now after the first sign that he

13:17

needed roadside assistance again

13:20

the police a talked to earlier there

13:22

were no they didn't see any signs of drugs

13:24

or alcohol so as he does on the side

13:26

of the road he passes a field sobriety test

13:28

for my understanding captain he's just sitting

13:30

in his car sitting in his toy to highland

13:33

on the side of the road

13:35

when he is approached

13:37

by christian aside russian

13:40

this guy he's seems like a very good

13:42

guy he's this is above and beyond when it comes

13:44

to roadside assistance f i that tow trucks

13:46

drive right past me when i'm clearly the only

13:49

person on the roads indeed as a roadside

13:51

assistance yeah but i think look

13:53

the two camps community and the last

13:55

five years have looked at cars

13:57

on the side the road

13:59

or

13:59

was abandoned vehicle or some

14:02

a in their vehicle on the side road completely

14:04

different than the normal population

14:07

so this guy to be a true crime

14:09

community guy and knows

14:12

that story like this those

14:14

from a kid acting strange to we haven't seen

14:16

him in the last ten years

14:19

so

14:21

bryce tells the police he's just you

14:23

know they want to know white what what are you doing to sit here

14:25

this is i'm blown off some steam

14:28

again he didn't want to talk to parents they make

14:30

him talk to parents then

14:32

hours later few hours later when christian

14:35

the the the roadside assistance guys

14:37

finds bryce again still

14:39

sitting on the side of the road christians

14:42

the one that calls his matter

14:45

the let her know he he he still

14:47

here and so christian speaks with

14:49

bryce and bryce tells christian

14:52

everything's ok i'm going to get

14:54

a soda at a nearby gas station

14:56

get some caffeine and meats and then i'm gonna

14:58

continue my drive and head home so

15:01

approximately depending on what timeline

15:03

you look at we're anywhere

15:05

from

15:06

han

15:07

the thirteen and most timelines put

15:09

this more at the twelve and thirteen hours

15:12

later

15:14

well to thirteen hours after bryce

15:16

arrived in this general location

15:18

these finally

15:21

on his way home

15:22

the him he's absolutely no

15:25

that's and we can say that it it

15:28

appears that he is finally

15:30

on his way home because christian

15:32

agrees or maybe he comes

15:35

up with the idea nice

15:37

talking to bryce his parents he says look all

15:39

even follow him south on

15:41

interstate five for

15:44

a few miles a handful of miles the

15:46

make sure that he is heading in the right direction

15:49

that he is in fact going home

15:51

or this rate is going to at home and

15:53

time for christmas when a fast for

15:56

here just a little bit in the timeline

15:58

captain because the next more

15:59

at roughly a am

16:02

the police show up

16:04

to the list pieces house

16:07

this is to ask about their vehicle

16:10

a two thousand and three toilet island they

16:12

wanted to know the own

16:14

one if the vehicle had been stolen is

16:16

so why didn't they reported stolen why

16:19

do you ask well because we found it it's been

16:21

involved in a pretty serious car accident

16:24

and found a considerable distance away from

16:26

their home though as pieces explain

16:29

to the police know that car that vehicle

16:31

is being driven by our son who

16:33

is off and away at college

16:36

and in fact he called us last night

16:38

saying he's driving home to our house

16:41

we haven't heard from him and several hours

16:43

we were up on the phone with him late last

16:46

night he had been reported

16:48

missing you need a roadside

16:50

assistance and now you're telling us

16:52

that our son has been in a major

16:55

car accidents me to

16:57

imagine

16:58

what's going through his pants

17:00

mine at this point me this be

17:03

for you he just feel so helpless

17:06

for them well and when you hear about

17:08

this you go okay well we kind

17:10

of knew that it was going this way this doesn't seem so

17:12

shocking and surprising to us listeners

17:15

little less pieces a completely

17:18

yours them it's a it's completely

17:20

shocking to them because one

17:22

thing that we did not include yet include the timeline

17:25

was timeline was a m phone call

17:28

so at am roughly the police

17:30

are they're saying hey there's a problem with the vehicle

17:33

in just six hours prior the

17:35

was pieces were on the phone with

17:38

their

17:39

though he finally cause them to call them

17:41

yeah heading towards his house

17:43

he adds up corners parents

17:46

again this i'm not

17:48

the kind of kid or was on

17:50

the kind of

17:51

child

17:53

the my parents that after

17:55

the first day of college specially sophomore

17:58

year maybe you're fresh in here you go on

18:00

a mom is what's gone on but

18:02

sophomore year he just spent

18:04

all summer with

18:06

the good kid

18:07

they have a good relationship he causes mom

18:10

to let her know hey i'd like my first two

18:12

classes the undergone well

18:14

then there's a time period

18:17

where his

18:18

traveling home but not traveling home

18:20

and you're not talking with his parents

18:22

his parents are trying cause he's on a answer

18:25

then he finally makes contact

18:27

with them yes in this is weird

18:29

because his vehicle

18:32

is sound it's

18:34

on it's side it's been a major car

18:36

accident it's a single vehicle accident

18:39

okay it's bryce is not located

18:42

anywhere near the vehicle not in the

18:44

vehicle not around the vehicle the

18:46

vehicles found abandoned air

18:48

quotes abandon it at

18:51

test stay up late which is roughly

18:53

about two hours north of laguna niguel

18:55

where the parents lists and roughly

18:57

about an hour south of button willow

18:59

california where we know where was

19:02

when he needed the roadside assistance

19:04

so he did travel sixty

19:06

miles is for

19:09

this accident took place now

19:11

what's interesting though is that we know that

19:13

at two am here's the to am

19:15

phone call from bryce to

19:18

his parents we know this based off

19:20

of a report from the local

19:22

news there and it says quote he

19:24

took a detour at two o

19:26

eight am and got off

19:28

of the interstate five any suburban

19:31

area and was going to sleep

19:33

in his car his mother told santa

19:35

clair at a news she says

19:37

i told him to call me when he got

19:40

up the next morning so basically

19:42

that the story is this captain that's

19:44

he says he sued tired to drive which

19:46

makes a lot of sense based off of everything

19:48

we know in the timeline so far he's

19:50

gonna need to pull over get a little bit

19:52

arrest this is going to extend the

19:54

period of time that he will be on

19:57

the road it will extend the period of time

19:59

so he gets back

19:59

mom and dad's house while us be clear

20:02

on that for second this guy needs

20:04

sleep most people need sleep

20:07

there's driving through the night

20:09

or sitting at once bought for hours

20:12

upon hours

20:13

the have no clue what he was doing during that

20:15

time period or why he was doing that

20:17

what we also don't know that

20:20

he was taken some kind of prescription medication

20:22

that he wasn't supposed to beyond

20:25

we don't know the last time he actually did

20:27

sleep exactly and add

20:29

a little more detail to the

20:31

records it states

20:34

that the reports are that the vehicle was

20:36

found around five fifteen

20:39

am that morning than

20:41

the vehicle had tumbled approximately fifteen

20:43

feet down a ravine and landed

20:46

on his passenger side off of

20:49

mean ramp road just

20:51

a few hundred feet from lights use

20:53

road price a cell phone wallet

20:55

laptop and closing were

20:58

found in the car this report seats

21:00

in the car some of the reports

21:02

i've reviewed captain state as some of those

21:04

items were in fact located at the scene

21:06

but were located

21:08

and found outside of the vehicle

21:10

and of course bryce is nowhere

21:12

to be found his family

21:14

would later say there of the back

21:16

window was was smashed out

21:19

now think about this this

21:21

wreckage the way that is described here fifteen

21:23

feet down a ravine landed

21:26

that's that implies that

21:28

the vehicle was airborne as some

21:31

point rights it landed

21:34

the on his passenger side

21:36

half of mean ramp ruff

21:38

if you look this thing up in

21:41

this was awfully disappointing i'm not going to stick

21:43

on this the topic for too

21:45

long but it was rather aggravating i

21:47

could find pictures of the

21:50

highlander after

21:52

the fact after had been towed from the scene

21:55

i could not find any pictures of

21:57

the highlander at the actual

21:59

right

21:59

the

22:01

where was found in

22:03

a state that it was found the thing that was aggravating

22:06

about that and not because we couldn't

22:08

describe it to you because those pictures aren't

22:10

available at least i couldn't find them

22:13

is that the there are several web

22:15

sites the give the impression that those pictures

22:17

are in fact available and they

22:19

are not take not take look at

22:21

those pictures that people are claiming to

22:23

be prices vehicle lying

22:25

on his side first

22:27

off the scene is

22:29

not as described

22:31

the news

22:33

second of all that's not

22:35

an s u v that's a car

22:38

fan

22:39

thirdly that car appears to be a honda

22:41

so i don't know why

22:44

people were trying to pass it off as some kind of

22:46

seen footage or footage

22:49

hooker

22:50

you can from the wreckage seen by my

22:53

eyes tell me that that is not braces

22:55

vehicle this family say

22:57

that it looked at them like

23:00

bryce had used a tool to

23:02

break out the back window of the

23:04

vehicle before crawling out which

23:06

would make sense that would be if

23:08

the vehicles lying on his side that would be

23:10

one of the more easier ways to get out

23:13

provided the he couldn't access

23:15

the doors maybe the doors are jammed

23:17

or couldn't get or

23:20

was not in a state to pull himself up

23:22

and through one of those doors

23:25

after figuring out how to open it the

23:27

to here i wish that we

23:29

had a better description of what that to was

23:32

or the name for it other

23:34

than just a tool but one report

23:36

that i did find stated that they

23:38

believe the tool was something that was located

23:41

in the center console so sounds

23:43

like a

23:44

an emergency type situation told

23:46

that was purposely kept in

23:48

the vehicle

23:49

now the other troubling

23:52

thing here though to is

23:54

they go out

23:55

they been law enforcement and the local

23:57

authorities the fire department what have

24:00

they're doing all the necessary searches

24:02

right were searching via land

24:05

sea and air looking

24:07

for this guy what happened to

24:09

this dude there's nothing at the scene

24:12

that's a pretty horrific crash for vehicle

24:14

to be found on the on his side but

24:16

there's nothing at the scene it's indicating

24:19

to those experts to those who

24:21

unfortunately have to deal with this type of situation

24:25

read is kind of wreckage there's nothing

24:27

at the scene that tells them that all this guy

24:30

he should have died at the scene or or

24:32

or did die or something happened

24:35

to him here that would cause him to expire

24:38

soon there was not enough blood

24:40

or anything like that that they found at the scene that

24:43

they were overly concerned he had looked

24:45

to them like justice was a bad crass

24:47

yes this was a bad wreck but this

24:49

do probably got out managed to

24:51

get out and walk away now why

24:54

he left all of his personal belongings here

24:57

we don't know

24:58

the two year lease take a cell phone

25:00

to make the call but maybe he guys

25:02

vehicle and just didn't feel safe

25:04

trying to go back into it i

25:07

mean there's so many things that just don't line

25:09

up they don't make a lot of sense but the another

25:11

thing like we said he had these prescription

25:13

pills we don't know if he had any of these pills

25:15

still on him if he was still taking

25:17

these pills or not so we really

25:20

don't know what kind of state of mind he

25:22

was an because we have conflicting

25:24

stories all round of of

25:26

of what demeanor she's and even though

25:29

i think the would have to want to

25:32

i want to believe his parents

25:35

and i want to believe the girlfriend i want to believe law

25:37

enforcement when we talk to him he

25:39

seemed fine he seemed

25:41

okay the

25:44

wire or was action so

25:47

confusing

26:07

according to crime data the average

26:10

home reagan last

26:11

between eight and ten minutes that's

26:13

why you need a home security system

26:15

the response quickly and forcefully with

26:18

24/7 professional monitoring

26:20

simplisafe [unk] sage and take action

26:22

the moment, the threat is detected

26:24

dispatching police or first responders

26:26

in an emergency, even if you're not home or

26:29

can't be reached simplisafe blankets

26:31

are home and protection with advanced

26:34

sensors for every room window

26:36

and door, hd security cameras

26:38

for inside and outside your home smarter

26:41

ways to detect motion that only

26:43

alert you when the threat is real and

26:45

even hazard sensors that

26:47

instantly detect fires floods

26:50

and other threats to your home they're monitoring

26:52

experts, use proprietary advanced

26:55

response technology to visually

26:57

confirm when it break-in is real

26:59

so you can get the highest priority

27:02

police dispatch here at the garage

27:04

we simply love simpli safe

27:06

we use it at our homes and we use it here

27:08

at the garage studio it was easy

27:11

to set up hey if the

27:13

captain can do it if the colonel can do it

27:15

you can do it trust me it's simple

27:18

it's easy i love it protect

27:20

yourself and protect your loved ones with simpli safe

27:23

i love the advanced technology and

27:25

i love being able to control my system for

27:27

my phone with and and

27:29

watching the crystal clear hd

27:31

live streams on my security cameras

27:34

again protect yourself and protect your loved

27:36

ones with simpli safe customize

27:38

the perfect system for your home and just a few

27:40

minutes at simpli safe dot com slash

27:43

garage save twenty percent when

27:45

you're simpli safe security system when

27:47

you sign up for an interactive monitoring plan

27:49

and get your first month free visit

27:52

simpli safe dot com sys garage to

27:54

learn more there's no safe like

27:56

simpli safe

27:59

now awards

27:59

from our sponsor better help when

28:02

you're faced with challenges in life it can be

28:04

tough to train your brain

28:06

the stay and problem solving mode but

28:08

when you learn how to find your own solution

28:10

there is no better feeling this

28:13

is what therapy has done for me

28:15

the therapist can help you become a better problem

28:17

solver making it easier to accomplish

28:20

your goals no matter how big or small

28:22

if you're thinking about giving therapy a try

28:24

better help as a great option saw

28:27

option that i use it's convenient

28:29

accessible affordable and entirely

28:31

online when i'm struggling

28:33

with depression when i'm trying to become

28:36

a better problem solver i

28:38

don't want to jump in my car and deal

28:40

with traffic and weighed in some lobby

28:43

that's why use better health i can connect

28:45

with my therapist on mind

28:47

and so comfortable in my own home

28:50

the map with a therapists after filling out

28:52

a brief survey and switch therapists

28:55

any time when you wanna be a better problem

28:57

solver

28:58

therapy can get you there does

29:00

it better help dot com slash garage day

29:03

to get ten percent off your first month that

29:05

better eg and p com

29:08

scrooge maybe it's hamster

29:10

taking care of yourself maybe it's time

29:12

to love yourself a little more maybe

29:14

it's time to get better

29:21

they are you true crime fans this is mike

29:23

ferguson and this is mike murphy and

29:25

we'd like to invite you to listen to our podcast

29:28

criminals launched in two thousand and seventeen

29:30

we've covered all righty of strange cases from

29:32

burgers to missing persons we dive into

29:35

a variety of cases in both

29:37

the us and abroad some of the

29:39

cases are ones you may not have heard of like

29:41

the pocatello baby sitter murder or the mail

29:43

merge other cases we cover are

29:45

some of the most historic in true crime

29:47

like the tylenol murders and the lindbergh

29:50

kidnapped we also dive into cases

29:52

that are currently breaking thanks to

29:54

dna and forensic genie out

29:56

sometimes you'll hear from people connected to the

29:58

keys like the and

29:59

you we did with the brother in law the golden state

30:02

killer to spans over there are two hundred

30:04

episodes of criminology available to

30:06

binge on right now including full

30:08

seasons covering the zodiac killer

30:10

the golden state killer and ted bundy and

30:13

new episodes come out every saturday

30:15

night subscribed to chronology today

30:17

wherever you listen your podcast

30:34

are right we are back hotel

30:37

motel holiday is

30:39

here's to you all to see you colonel

30:41

cheers you kept now another

30:43

report that i have here states the

30:45

it was obvious that the vehicle had plummeted

30:48

down a twenty five foot embankment

30:50

before smashing onto

30:53

the road below just

30:55

to describe the seen the best

30:57

i can i've never been

30:59

to this location

31:01

that

31:02

the way to described to me is

31:05

this is based off of some evidence

31:08

that the police would later release

31:10

so the police say

31:13

the it the place where

31:15

his vehicle was found that castaic

31:17

area is located right off of

31:19

interstate five about ninety miles

31:22

north of where his parents live

31:25

vehicles traveling can get

31:27

off of the interstate exit on

31:29

two legs use road which

31:31

leads up a hill to to stay

31:33

at lake recreation area

31:36

there is a surveillance camera

31:38

it takes a photo of every license

31:41

plate

31:41

the vehicles a drive by

31:44

this camera is gonna provide us with some

31:46

evidence here and fill in some of

31:48

the blanks but not all of them

31:50

unfortunately what we learn from the surveillance

31:53

footage is it a to fifteen am

31:55

bryce drives by this camera

31:58

takes his pictures this just a few

32:00

minutes after he's telling his mother

32:02

that he was tired and he was going to find some place

32:04

to park so he could sleep for a little bit and then

32:06

continue the drugs then

32:09

oddly enough it for twenty nine am

32:13

bryce as seen on surveillance footage

32:15

driving by the same location again

32:17

so bizarre we have no idea

32:20

nobody can piece together were

32:22

bryce was from the time said

32:25

that surveillance camera took the

32:28

picture of his vehicle at to fifteen

32:30

am and then took the picture

32:32

of his of his vehicle get it for twenty

32:34

nine am now there are no cameras

32:37

tracking cars going down

32:39

the hill

32:40

the where his vehicle was eventually found

32:43

though we can't say with any

32:45

level of certainty how long

32:48

the vehicle was there before

32:50

it was found

32:52

rak

32:53

on the road though

32:55

the exact time of the accident remains

32:58

unknown to this decks but

33:00

we do know that the surveillance

33:02

camera spotted bryce driving

33:05

a for twenty nine am and

33:07

then we do know that the vehicle was found

33:09

by five thirty am so doesn't

33:11

appear like it's a great amount of

33:13

time passed before the vehicle

33:16

was located but within that sort

33:18

windows time bryce

33:20

disappears now

33:24

once all of the evidence was analyze

33:26

from the rec the police realize

33:29

this was no accident rice

33:32

has spread down the ravine with

33:34

the accelerator down all of

33:37

the way they're basing

33:39

this off of the tire tracks

33:41

that they fail they could determine

33:44

that he was not trying to prevent

33:47

rak

33:48

in all likelihood he was racing

33:50

towards

33:52

rak

33:53

so they determined that bryce

33:57

the drove up the hill on let's

33:59

use row

33:59

in an answered in exile

34:02

and then entered in access area for

34:04

a cell phone tower they

34:06

followed his tire tracks pass that

34:08

tower which is located at

34:10

the top of a steep and bank then

34:14

they're basing off of the evidence

34:16

found at the scene that his vehicle then

34:18

sped downhill and so it crashed

34:20

onto the access road people

34:22

that have been to this scene has

34:25

said that they believe that

34:27

bryce his intentions may have been

34:29

to drive into the

34:31

lake the

34:34

from where it

34:36

from his vantage point it

34:38

would appear that if he drove at that

34:41

speed the he may crash into

34:43

the lake rather than the road

34:45

below because you would not be able to see

34:49

the road below from that elevated

34:51

area my again this is based

34:53

off of people that have said that they have been

34:55

there and described it as such we

34:58

do know that the police find the two thousand and three

35:00

beige toyota highlander on its

35:02

side on the main ramp road

35:05

again about one hundred feet from lake

35:07

hughes road near castaic lake

35:10

the location is about forty miles north of

35:12

los angeles

35:14

ninety miles south of button willow which

35:16

we know he was there earlier one

35:19

of the back windows had been smashed out from

35:21

the inside according to police the

35:23

family says they believe the bryce

35:25

used a tool that was stored in the console

35:28

to bust out that window

35:30

bryce his cell phone and laptop were

35:32

found inside the vehicle

35:34

his duffel bag was found on the ground

35:37

not far from the broken window

35:40

the duffel bag was found unzipped

35:42

and

35:43

that will people said that it looked like somebody

35:45

had looked through it his

35:48

clothing and wallet worked inside

35:50

the bag again

35:53

police felt like this was a violent crash but

35:55

they did not think that bryce would be seriously

35:57

injured

35:59

the found

35:59

no drag marks to suggest that he could

36:02

not walk

36:04

that's tough to because sometimes when

36:06

you're traveling in you have your travel bag

36:09

you're the gone through it as

36:11

you drive

36:12

oh yeah i get some gum in there

36:14

i get a drink in their whatever

36:17

though it's hard to know

36:18

was the bag did he go through the bag

36:21

before the crash

36:22

the go through the bag after the crash

36:24

of course not finding brace at the scene

36:26

they speak with his parents notify

36:29

them about the vehicle being rak

36:31

notify them about bryce be missing

36:35

they go on do all of the normal detective

36:37

work right they interview all the people to spend

36:39

time with bryce recently leading up

36:41

to his disappearance and

36:43

they tell lot of the same stories that we

36:45

told here today one

36:48

piece of evidence it's awfully interesting to

36:50

me here captain is it we

36:52

do know that they used dogs to

36:54

try to track a sense prices

36:57

sent from the vehicle and

36:59

the sent lead them to two different spots

37:03

it led them to the lake

37:05

saic lake but

37:07

it also led them down a

37:09

trail to a damn on

37:11

the lake and then a continued

37:14

they continue to follow a scent or track something

37:17

the top of the damn and then

37:19

south on a spillway on

37:22

the western side of the lake before

37:24

heading towards a truck stop

37:26

once we get to the truck stops the dogs

37:29

aren't signaling that they're tracking anything

37:31

anymore so people

37:33

have looked at this a couple different ways or

37:35

thought that maybe he went up

37:37

to that damn area and jumped

37:40

in maybe a was his goal

37:42

to crash the vehicle into the lake

37:45

then after being on successful he when

37:48

about as a different manner they

37:50

did source at like they've searched that

37:53

lake quite a bit and

37:55

been unsuccessful finding anything related

37:58

to bryce

38:00

the truck stop is really interesting to me

38:02

to again or fortunately

38:04

these dogs they're tracking braces said

38:06

or so we are to believe

38:09

but they can't tell us exactly what they are

38:11

tracking

38:14

this

38:16

really led to several weeks of

38:18

investigation by police and i know it's still

38:20

an open case to this day but

38:23

oui when police had to scale

38:25

back to surf you

38:27

the search all the areas that they could think

38:30

of that he could be based off of statements

38:33

from people that they interviewed based

38:35

off of the movements of his vehicle

38:39

based off of cellphone tower pings

38:43

and after two weeks they had no evidence pointing

38:45

them in any direction in particular

38:47

of where to look next

38:51

like we said yesterday

38:53

last week mark nine years

38:55

since priceless pieces last been seen

38:58

now police have received several

39:00

calls several people saying

39:02

that they have seen him but

39:04

they have been unable to confirm any

39:07

of these actual sites i

39:09

do know of one situation where

39:12

the police went to another state

39:15

they're told hey brisas pieces their he's

39:17

living there this is years later

39:20

they send a detective out there they

39:23

find the man that they believe

39:25

is the man that was reported as being brussels

39:27

pisa they confirm

39:29

that man's identity he's not bryce

39:33

the detective basically tells the news

39:36

i interview that man he's not bryce but

39:38

i will tell you the he could be braces

39:40

twins that's

39:42

how close he looked like priceless peace

39:47

so here we sit nine years later

39:50

this is all a big mystery there's

39:54

so much speculation out there as the

39:56

what happened bryce

39:58

where could he be

40:00

there are people that say maybe this was some kind of drug

40:03

deal gone wrong

40:05

the maybe he was sitting there waiting on a ride

40:07

for somebody to pick him up maybe

40:09

he was sitting there waiting for a dealer to sell

40:13

the me i look at the situation

40:17

and i'm very concerned

40:19

the very concerned for this man's

40:21

well being

40:23

i see a situation a series

40:25

of events where i don't think he knew

40:27

exactly what he was doing

40:30

i think he felt like he needed to make some change

40:32

or maybe that changed needed be drastic

40:35

but i think he was kind of wing and

40:38

that it was kind of making it up as he went along

40:41

yeah as he sleep deprived and

40:43

again how much of this

40:45

medication was still in him and how much

40:48

there's alcohol was stolen and and

40:50

his system

40:52

you know we look at these cases and

40:56

there's a lot of people see brisas pieces

40:58

his disappearances as mysterious

41:01

or as much of a mystery as these other

41:03

ones the lot of times people say

41:05

branded loss

41:08

i do that to me the

41:10

comparison makes zero sense rated

41:12

lawson's movements for the most part make

41:15

a whole lot of sense leading up to the nine

41:17

one one call

41:20

bryce his movements in action seemed to make zero

41:22

cents at least they make zero sense to me that's

41:25

why they use behaving radically

41:28

the acting impulsively he

41:30

wanted to make some drastic change he just

41:32

did know what that was or how to go about doing

41:35

the young man confused stressed

41:37

out tired feeling

41:39

the effects the after effects of drug and

41:41

alcohol and

41:44

i don't know i think i can go along

41:47

with the idea that maybe he did try to

41:49

crashes vehicle into that lake unsuccessfully

41:52

yeah but here's

41:55

the twist he

41:57

was only

41:58

in this state really

41:59

the were

42:01

maybe a a week and a half two weeks

42:03

leading up to this point

42:06

from every person's account

42:08

before you went back to school everything was fine

42:11

he was back at home business sense

42:14

visiting family family never said

42:16

he was are during the summer friends never

42:18

said he was odd during the summer then

42:20

he took those extra class seems

42:24

like there was it's almost like the

42:26

weirdness once he got back on campus

42:29

the weirdness like

42:30

heard on like hernan

42:32

on the like

42:35

the happened that fast

42:36

that's very confusing

42:39

if you want to make comparisons to other cases

42:41

that we've covered again this case often

42:44

gets compared other missing persons cases

42:47

i think it reminds me a little bit more

42:49

jonathan luna

42:50

who was in fact it they

42:53

found jobs and luna there's a debate did

42:55

he die by suicide or by murder

42:58

i personally think it was a murder we were viewed

43:00

that case that very bizarre

43:02

case and episodes five

43:05

seventy two and five seventy three

43:07

his body was discovered in december

43:10

of two thousand and three

43:12

but just like jonathan's case

43:15

the me bryce his movements

43:17

in his actions make

43:19

little to no sense leading

43:21

up to braces disappearance or

43:23

jonathan luna smart

43:25

in fact the actions

43:28

and behavior leading up to both of those situations

43:31

the only raise more questions

43:33

than providing answers it

43:37

reminds me a lot of the more murky still

43:39

well yes i'm a driving

43:41

i get in iraq now

43:44

i tended i want to be a glass half

43:46

full person here and i think that

43:48

there is some evidence to suggest that

43:50

this might be the case

43:52

you know kept in i rarely rarely

43:55

ever say this when we review these types of

43:57

cases but here

43:59

i i just feel like maybe this

44:01

is one of those cases where this dude took

44:03

off he went off

44:05

somewhere for whatever reason and

44:07

he decided to start a new life and

44:10

i think is that or is that is

44:12

the case that could be the

44:15

case they maybe leaving

44:17

all those personal belongings there at

44:19

the scene of the rec is

44:21

all a part of it right

44:24

these were always did mom

44:26

and dad his old life was tracking

44:28

him leading up to that point

44:31

the car the car insurance a cellphone

44:33

the credit card the roadside assistance they

44:37

were all able to keep tabs on him even

44:39

when his movements and travels made no sense

44:43

and so he decided to leave those

44:45

items right where he

44:47

wrecked the car walk off

44:51

and over a truck stop com

44:53

a ride start a new life

44:57

the maybe up there somewhere there's some trucker

44:59

they drove bryce to greener pastures

45:03

or what he hoped to be greener pastures and

45:05

he knows the reasons why here see

45:07

the driver of that truck know the reasons

45:10

why bryce decided to leave it all behind

45:13

well there's

45:15

statement that he makes to his mother

45:17

that there's some things that he needs to discuss

45:19

whether

45:22

maybe there was

45:24

the something that he learned about

45:26

himself or something new about himself

45:29

that he knew his time to

45:31

share with the rest of the world

45:33

so that we gets back to college

45:35

she doesn't really know how to do that

45:38

and decides to

45:40

drink and take these prescription

45:43

those this

45:45

the done on hold for a minute

45:48

and then when there's that call

45:50

when his friend makes the call to

45:52

the mother this is maybe the

45:54

moment where

45:56

rice is realizing our our i can't

45:58

does run away from

45:59

if i can't just

46:03

who's this off and i think keep going

46:05

down the side this dark rabbit hole

46:07

let me deal with the stuff now and

46:10

that's where it makes no sense on him

46:12

start in a new life because it

46:15

broke up with your girlfriend through text

46:18

if you interest in started new

46:20

life you

46:22

know our her any sane you're not going to

46:24

feel as you owe her anything you gave

46:26

her the answers to the text messages to

46:29

leave the next day

46:31

again i don't think it was planned that's why

46:33

said i think that his actions were erratic

46:36

impulsive i

46:38

did you try to crash a vehicle into the

46:40

lake and when that didn't work

46:42

that's when he decided to walk away

46:44

the started his i'm gonna say

46:46

this now

46:48

no laughing at me okay

46:50

then i'm you brought up some cases this

46:53

reminds you of

46:55

somebody didn't but

46:58

no laughing at this one

47:00

let me explain it before you make

47:02

a judgment calls here

47:05

the me

47:07

this is very similar to elisa

47:09

lam we

47:11

have all these actions that we

47:13

know happen because we can track them

47:15

through documented right they're

47:19

disarm video footage for us to all

47:21

these actions that she made in the the

47:24

elevator that seem to make no sense to

47:26

us we have the same thing

47:28

happening with bryce

47:30

i think he walks away from that vehicle

47:33

then he probably is the

47:35

see somewhere we

47:37

just haven't found him yet

47:40

in where

47:42

these way the whole highway that whole

47:44

area

47:46

was basically braces

47:49

hotel

47:51

where he was losing it

47:54

and and i think

47:56

that's what this case reminds me of

47:58

in it's the

47:59

the most confusing cases

48:02

the perplexing cases i think we ever covered

48:05

because

48:07

i can't say that you're wrong what whatever

48:09

your gut is telling ya whatever evidence

48:12

is leading you to that

48:13

how com

48:15

there's no gut feeling and

48:17

my body other than he's probably not

48:19

with us anymore his parents

48:22

are of the belief or at least they've been vocal

48:24

about this

48:25

in the past saying that they believe

48:28

there's a chance

48:29

he sustained a a pretty violent

48:31

head injury during the

48:34

the course of that crash

48:36

and maybe he walked away

48:39

with severe amnesia

48:41

not

48:42

really knowing who he was wary was

48:45

or what was going on or who are who's

48:47

to say how that works

48:49

what he would believe they're

48:51

point you know i remember those stories

48:54

on unsolved mysteries when i was a kid and always

48:56

sought though the seems impossible to me but

48:59

the of the older i got i

49:01

can't rule that out i can't

49:04

rule that possibility out now some

49:06

good things here the

49:08

keep a little light on for everybody to keep

49:10

a little light on for bryce he's

49:13

information has been entered into the national

49:15

missing persons database his

49:17

fingerprints dental records and

49:19

dna are on file in databases

49:23

months after his disappearance the family

49:25

hired a private investigator the

49:28

investigator states that

49:31

they believe that bryce intended to return

49:33

home the basis

49:35

that theory on braces gps

49:38

coordinates so this investigator

49:40

must believe that something happened something

49:43

interfered with him making

49:45

at home that night the police seem

49:47

to believe that he did walk away

49:49

and this had he passed

49:52

away that they would have found him

49:54

and that maybe he did walk away to

49:56

start a new life priceless

49:59

these are the time of his disappearance he was five

50:02

foot eleven inches tall hundred seventy pounds

50:04

with bright red hair some

50:09

description say green eyes some say blue

50:11

eyes the one

50:13

very distinctive mark one

50:16

very distinctive identifiers bryce

50:18

has is this tattoo

50:20

it's a rather large statutes a tattoo of

50:22

a taurus ball head and roman

50:25

numerals of his birthday which

50:27

is located on his left shoulder

50:30

he was wearing white cargo shorts and

50:32

a blue and white checkered shirt and

50:34

read nike tennis shoes at the

50:36

time if anybody has any information

50:40

oh please call a los angeles

50:42

county sheriff's department the

50:44

three two three eight nine zero

50:47

five zero five zero his

50:49

parents have never discontinued their search

50:51

for him and hopes and know what happened

50:53

to their son one day his

50:56

parents still post to a facebook

50:58

page devoted to finding their

51:00

son maybe someday soon we can

51:02

all discover what happened

51:05

or we will know the truth if

51:07

he said come back or if prices ever

51:09

located i just feel so bad

51:11

for his family and his friends and

51:14

people that were trying to help them specially his

51:16

mother's day

51:18

hello

51:19

communicate with him we

51:21

don't know exactly what was said if

51:24

he did walk away the

51:26

you have a lot of people that loving care about easy

51:29

come back no matter what

51:31

you know no matter what happens

51:34

that least tell your family that you're okay

51:37

the not mean

51:39

the no matter what happened

51:41

you your friends and family don't deserve

51:43

the be put through this

51:46

of fear the woman putting them through it

51:49

my god doesn't mean that way but

51:51

my thoughts don't mean that way but

51:55

the my message to bryce

51:57

earlier this year on april thirtieth

51:59

it would

51:59

in

52:00

prices twenty eighth birthday

52:03

as we said last week it's been nine

52:05

years

52:06

then he went missing yet twitter and other

52:08

social media sites are still full

52:10

of his missing post

52:13

so many asking the same question where

52:15

is bracelets peace and

52:17

remember there is a find bracelet

52:19

piece of facebook page

52:21

again anyone with any information

52:23

from two thousand and thirteen or more

52:25

recently they could help investigators

52:28

located bryce please call three

52:30

two three nine zero

52:32

five five zero zero or

52:35

to provide information anonymously

52:38

call crimestoppers at eight hundred

52:40

to hundred to to to

52:42

p s which is eight four

52:44

seven seven

52:46

or use your smartphone and download the crime

52:48

stoppers tips mobile app or

52:50

go to the website www

52:53

dot l a crime

52:55

stoppers dot org

53:12

one of the thank you so much for joining us here

53:14

back in the garage we want to hear from you

53:16

could a true crime garage dot com and

53:19

make sure you leave your thoughts and opinions

53:22

on the blog

53:23

colonel do eerie recommended reading for the beautiful

53:25

listeners yes we do camped in last

53:28

weekend the week before we spent so much time

53:30

talking about the still unsolved case

53:32

of nancy eagles and up and paulding ohio

53:35

which is rather close to michigan the

53:37

great state of michigan got me

53:39

thinking about the old serial killer case

53:41

from the late sixties and the best

53:44

books that is on that case is called

53:46

the michigan murders this is by edward

53:48

jesus is award winning book from

53:50

back in the day we may have

53:52

even recommended this one

53:54

a long time ago before we even started

53:57

putting the recommendations on the website

53:59

but

53:59

the great book it's a true

54:02

crime book this should be on everybody's

54:04

bookshelves that's called

54:06

the michigan murders it's about the serial

54:09

case out of the university

54:11

of eastern michigan check

54:14

that out you can find that great recommendations

54:16

that title and many others on

54:19

our

54:20

web site on the recommended page yeah

54:22

and so next week be good guy

54:24

syndrome