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every sentence every paragraph however

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this i find to be by far

3:09

the best article

3:11

ever written about the

3:13

nancy you'll see an unsolved

3:16

homicide case the article

3:18

is titled girl slayer remains

3:20

at large polling crime still

3:23

unsolved and this is

3:25

from five years

3:27

after the murder took place in it's

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written by a lima news

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staff writer by the name of gene rockwell

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who did gang busters work on this

3:36

article because again i believe it to be the

3:39

best and most thorough and

3:41

it's rather updated as well

3:44

as you will see as we go through

3:46

this article it reads somewhere

3:48

a man walks the streets outwardly

3:52

as in conspicuous as anyone

3:54

but with the burden of knowing five

3:56

years ago he molested and murdered

3:59

a young paulding high school girl

4:01

subjected heard little sister to a lasting

4:03

emotional shock in blemished the

4:06

family this man

4:08

more horrible than any fictional

4:10

monster shot fourteen year

4:12

old nancy li eagles and

4:14

to death following a criminal

4:16

assault the evening of november

4:19

thirteenth nineteen sixty perhaps

4:21

in such a twisted personality

4:23

there is no capacity for regret

4:26

or remorse or perhaps there's

4:28

waking and sleeping hours

4:31

are haunted by the memory of what

4:33

he has done the history of such

4:35

crime reveals many motives for

4:37

the slaying of a rape victim usually

4:40

the victim is slain to prevent future

4:42

identification of the attacker

4:45

sometimes the force of the attack itself

4:48

is sufficient to cause death nancy

4:50

was brutally shot in the head by

4:53

her unknown assailant no

4:55

clues to the murderer have turned

4:57

up after five years of investigation

5:00

by the polling county sheriff's department

5:02

as seven forty pm that sunday nancy

5:04

and her sister cheryl then size

5:07

were walking along jackson street

5:09

and north east pulled on their

5:11

way home from movie their

5:13

father dawn operated a bowling

5:15

alley importing on the weekends

5:18

and during the week he was employed

5:20

at international harvester and

5:22

fort wayne he was

5:24

at the bowling alley that night their

5:26

mother betty also worked and

5:28

instead of waiting for their father the girls

5:30

decided to walk home from

5:33

the movie since mrs igor said

5:35

would be home at that time this

5:37

is eagles and was asked last week

5:40

about the crime and about the failure

5:42

of police to solve it this

5:44

is eagles and that cheryl

5:47

now ten years old still

5:49

terrified by the memory of that

5:51

never to be forgotten night well

5:54

i can talk about it now mrs

5:56

eagles and said the dawn

5:59

doesn't say

5:59

very much about it

6:01

it really broke him up see

6:03

a woman can adjust to something like

6:05

nancy's death better than a man

6:08

can cover their feelings more or something

6:11

maybe that's the way it is with me i

6:13

hide the hurt keep

6:16

it inside mrs eagles

6:18

and said cheryl has deep

6:20

emotional scars from the

6:22

events of that night zero

6:24

love nancy the mother noted

6:27

they were inseparable shiro

6:29

has changed our the years

6:31

in a loving child anymore he's

6:34

afraid to get close to any one emotionally

6:37

the fear she might lose them

6:40

the she lost nancy nancy

6:42

would have been nineteen now her mother said

6:45

the in college the bereaved mother

6:47

said she does not blowing police or

6:49

the sheriff's department for their failure to solve

6:51

the crime i believe they did

6:53

the best they could do she said she

6:56

thinks the slayer is from poland for

6:59

immediate area the has

7:01

to be she declared he

7:03

knew his way around to well

7:06

however her husband

7:08

the leaves the killer was a hunter not

7:10

from the area probably

7:12

staying in a motel the committed

7:15

the crime on the spur of the mom melting

7:17

back into his home region when

7:20

it was over mrs eagles in it still

7:23

gets a lot of course mostly

7:25

from cranks saying they know

7:28

the identity of the slayer none

7:30

of them have proven authentic mrs

7:33

eagle since theory the crime

7:35

is that the girls were seen

7:37

by the killer as they were sipping coax

7:39

in a local restaurant on their way

7:41

home from the matinee moving along

7:44

jackson street cheryl said the man

7:46

slowed the car and

7:48

ask the girls if they wanted to ride

7:51

he said nancy replied know we're

7:53

only a few doors away from home cheryl

7:56

said the man stop the car and ask nancy

7:58

directions

7:59

the

7:59

it out of the auto show recalled

8:02

then came around the front

8:05

the full glare of the headlights the

8:07

grab nancy by the arm and

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during the ensuing struggle pushed

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his victim to the ground cheryl

8:14

said she tried to grab the man by the

8:16

shoulders but he struck her in

8:18

the stomach knocking her to the ground

8:21

she said she did not see the

8:24

man strike nancy but he placed

8:26

her inside the car opposite the driver's

8:28

seat the man got in and

8:30

drove away as cheryl screen this

8:33

is eagles and the cheryl

8:35

told her the man smelled like he

8:37

had been drinking what her theory

8:39

is that the girl smelled core from

8:42

or some similar substance which

8:44

accounted for nancy submission after

8:46

the frantic struggle this

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is eagles and theorizes her

8:51

daughter was not killed where the body was

8:53

found but elsewhere then was

8:55

left by the slayer where she was

8:57

discovered by the hunters holding

8:59

county sheriff john taylor that

9:02

last week if the case is closed this

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is certainly not these cases

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are never closed every now and then

9:09

we get elite and a possible suspect

9:12

we check out these leads thoroughly so

9:14

far no luck at all killer

9:16

said he was convinced the slayer

9:19

was not from the paulding area

9:21

the man is sick the sheriff observe

9:24

the can't help himself he would

9:26

have killed again we would have had

9:28

another slaying on our hands if

9:31

he were a local man cheryl described

9:34

the man who killed her sister as

9:36

about five feet eight inches tall

9:38

heavy with a belly like santa

9:41

claus the war horn

9:43

rimmed glasses possibly

9:45

with sick lenses that made

9:47

his eyes appear larger than normal

9:50

she stated she believed he was crippled

9:53

a man who broke out of michigan city indiana

9:55

prison a month before nancy was

9:57

killed and who subsequently

10:00

was executed in tulsa arizona

10:02

for a similar crime was checked

10:04

in cleared of the paulding slaying

10:07

another man from the paulding

10:09

area charged with rape in napoleon

10:12

and acquitted consequently

10:14

convicted of a rape slaying

10:16

and detroit michigan this method

10:18

of operation was similar to the man's who

10:20

killed nancy that he

10:22

also was investigated and clear

10:25

the the man who slew nancy li eagles

10:27

and still at large free

10:30

to commit another crime police

10:32

officials believe he will or has

10:35

that he acted under a compulsive

10:37

a mental illness the could not

10:39

help himself officers

10:42

stress this certainly does not

10:44

excuse the man but

10:46

points to the dire necessity

10:48

of his apprehension well there's so much

10:51

their to unpack so let's do some

10:53

of that if you don't mind why

10:55

do for what's your theories on

10:57

if this man is local or not here's

11:00

the thing is the

11:02

two things that the family has told

11:04

us and this is things that have been told

11:06

to us by people outside of the family

11:08

as well if the phone lines were cut

11:11

to the eagles and home that night if

11:14

in fact somebody did try to abducted

11:16

cheryl weeks after nancy's

11:18

murder i think those

11:22

not just point to but

11:24

for me seal the deal this

11:26

was a local die everything

11:29

outside of that tells me

11:31

that this was somebody that was looking

11:34

for a victim and may have traveled to

11:36

this area and found the victim

11:39

there that night unfortunately ibu

11:41

we could have a individual that has to travel

11:44

here for work and

11:46

so that they would be back in the area multiple

11:48

times to me

11:50

the to breathe and you gonna leave

11:52

eyewitness that sees you that

11:55

possibly like a said

11:56

insert school

11:58

somewhere

11:59

is able to identify you

12:02

the other thing that's tricky to because

12:04

it no longer exists to this

12:06

day but back in nineteen

12:08

sixty it's my understanding that there

12:10

was a hospital

12:13

the area and i've been told

12:16

that it may have been between the abduction

12:18

location and were nancy

12:20

eagle son's body was eventually found

12:24

which is very weird to me again that

12:26

dr felt very quick to me it almost

12:28

felt like somebody abducted her and either had

12:30

to stop at this location war

12:33

stopped at this location for some reason

12:36

brain would have passed the hospital

12:40

again i believe that it was on route

12:42

one eleven though the

12:45

somebody have been in the area for works

12:47

because they were working at that hospital or

12:50

could they have been visiting a loved

12:52

one or friend or somebody that they knew

12:55

that was in the hospital

12:57

i don't know of long forsman did this

12:59

but i'm i'm guessing now because

13:02

within two days or same were at a standstill

13:04

i'm going to the restaurant and dust asking

13:07

it was any was there any

13:09

single male eating alone

13:11

possibly saw them go

13:13

into the restaurant and then all

13:16

they're leaving gonna follow them out

13:18

or look for locals

13:23

logo hotels motels and see if

13:25

there was any single man stain and

13:27

the area give me a lease

13:29

some kind a lead

13:31

the go on the other thing that

13:33

is bizarre here to captain is

13:35

that you could have a situation

13:38

where somebody spotted the girls walking alone

13:40

were spotted the girls as the mother

13:42

suspects shipping sodas

13:44

at the restaurant and

13:47

decides then and their

13:49

hey i'm going to take one of

13:51

these girls in

13:53

the reason why say that that seems

13:56

to be likely is

13:59

there according to share all accounts

14:02

and it was key to me to read that

14:04

article because we see how searle's

14:06

accounts kind of i don't want to use

14:08

the word saints this

14:10

he seems to be able to fill in some of the blanks

14:13

later as she got older

14:15

she was ten at the time of that article nineteen

14:18

sixty five

14:19

according

14:21

to cheryl account the vehicle

14:24

there was a vehicle parked that p

14:26

lox the old abandoned

14:29

gas station no longer in operation

14:32

on the corner that they passed before

14:34

the vehicle approach them i

14:37

am of the belief that may

14:39

be the same vehicle that

14:41

the person saw the girls walking they

14:43

walk past him he pulls

14:46

up in the vehicle alongside

14:48

of them following them his he

14:50

would have been following them very shortly after

14:53

they walked past p lox brain now

14:55

one could have spotted these girls then

14:59

decided to position themselves at

15:01

p lox to intercept them before

15:03

they get home the do that

15:05

if that was in fact the killers

15:08

plan to intercept

15:10

them before they got home the that

15:12

means he already knew where the girls lives

15:15

and so therefore he likely would be

15:17

a local man or at least somebody that new

15:20

nancy and some form or fashion or knew her

15:22

family while and might know that the

15:24

husband is not gonna be there

15:26

that the husband the father is when be working

15:29

at the bowling alley during this time so

15:31

i'm person that's going to be home as the mother

15:33

but again i know where you live somewhere

15:35

and intercept you nice actually

15:38

made a great point because he brings up chloroform

15:40

and what what we're saying before have

15:42

you taken your victim or that target ballet

15:44

go of very small victim we're

15:46

a very young victims and as a child

15:49

but she's fourteen

15:52

though

15:53

she's gonna have the capability of putting

15:55

up a fight

15:57

though

15:58

the mom brings a good point the possible

16:00

that this murder grabbed her and

16:02

then arm was able to

16:04

subdue her with

16:06

floor for him

16:08

it could be companies are both because

16:10

he says well

16:11

well i think my daughter was smelling

16:13

the guy witness cheryl the

16:17

alcohol or chloroform

16:20

it could be a combination of both this guy

16:22

might have been heavily intoxicated

16:24

and then started driving around looking

16:26

for

16:27

the victim a lot of times these types will

16:30

in just things like alcohol or drugs

16:32

to build them up to a situation

16:35

the the they don't chicken out

16:38

or they don't they want

16:40

to build themselves up to carry through with

16:42

whatever it is they're sick fantasy your

16:44

plan is and then if

16:46

it is in fact core form we're

16:48

talking about a whole different level of

16:52

premeditation one but

16:54

to possible

16:57

criminal sophistication as well this

16:59

to me if it was unfair core form

17:02

and we don't we simply don't know and until

17:04

the case is solved we will not know that

17:07

if it was for form than that tells

17:09

me this guy has either

17:11

done something like this before the

17:14

war he had been studying up

17:17

on doing something like this and thought about

17:19

for good deal at our study and doing

17:21

research yeah nine

17:24

yeah i mean this is

17:26

got a email the other day saying stop com

17:28

these murders animals because that's

17:30

not they're the animals

17:33

that's not fair the swear to

17:35

the hyenas this guy's a hyena

17:38

army this guy's a real piece of shit

17:41

then again i i i i

17:43

i lean towards idea that the person was

17:45

from that area originally

17:48

but not anymore did not live in

17:50

that area maybe a rental car sets or

17:52

other thing rental car

17:54

the possible that this person had a rental

17:56

car and than and doubt be another

17:59

thing that people spend some

18:01

time investigating

18:02

the chloroform would also go along with the

18:04

thought it maybe

18:06

some portion of this man's clothing

18:09

or the glasses were in fact

18:11

some type of disguise what's

18:13

really weird to me as under hypnosis cheryl

18:15

says that the man was skinny but

18:17

in this news article it's

18:20

saying that she believed that he was a heavy

18:22

man with a belly like santa claus

18:25

those are two very different things but

18:27

we also know that it's not i'm terribly

18:29

uncommon for criminals to layer

18:32

their clothing or to where

18:34

larger

18:35

holding the necessary to give the appearance

18:38

of different physical appearance brand

18:41

well that's that's a tough thing to when you look

18:43

at the composite sketch the

18:45

me that not not the one where

18:47

you're looking at him the face

18:49

to face with the moon where your login some

18:52

or where his on from the side

18:54

to me it looks like use almost like slick in

18:56

batches hair

18:58

again is that the way he wears his hair

19:00

or is that a ruse this

19:02

to me the composite sketch to me looks like

19:04

one of two things or could be a combo

19:07

of both i guess and looks to me like

19:09

somebody that is

19:10

dressed

19:12

who potentially go visit somebody at the

19:14

hospital or to work there

19:16

or it's a man that was still

19:18

wearing his sunday church

19:20

attire and just remained

19:23

in that attire throughout the day of sunday

19:25

and maybe went into town and when

19:27

out to a restaurant right or

19:30

you know and then spotted the girls somewhere

19:32

as they walked save be

19:34

interesting to know in it's too much

19:37

to ask cheryl to recall something

19:39

like this there's no way that should be able to recall

19:41

this they would be interesting to know

19:43

if they were talking about walking

19:45

home like if they were openly

19:48

talking about that at any point in their

19:50

evening and in the wrong person heard them

19:53

when the oh they might be by themselves

19:56

and then you think about the idea that

19:58

the phone lines we're caught

20:00

at the eagles and home is in fact that

20:02

were true to me that makes

20:05

me think well maybe the killer

20:07

thought that they would end up home alone

20:10

in thought of abducting nancy

20:13

their right

20:15

then it makes me wanna question the family

20:17

was the mother supposed to be

20:19

somewhere not

20:21

that's a very good question and here's

20:23

here's my thought on that i'd i can't answer

20:25

for the family but here's my suspicions

20:28

though we know that the father dawn

20:30

was working at the bowling alley which he regularly

20:33

did on the weekends and what

20:35

i've been told by everybody that new

20:37

dawn they said that he worked that the bowling alley

20:41

probably for a little extra money but it was also

20:43

like that was his number one hobbies

20:45

fun right he he likes the ball funds

20:47

he likes to hang out at the bowling alley by get

20:49

free bone right and

20:52

you know what's great about bowling alleys to they often

20:54

sell beer we like beer and sells

20:57

the thing here is of from get the pretzels

20:59

from my understanding is that it was very

21:01

common for dawn and his

21:04

wife betty the does to eagles

21:06

than adults the two evils some parents to

21:08

go to the bowling alley and hang out together

21:10

was this a night

21:13

like you said captain that maybe mrs

21:15

eagles and we're supposed to be at the

21:17

bowling alley with her husband dawn for

21:19

whatever reason they

21:22

fell through or the last minute she decided not

21:24

to go if that's true if that

21:26

is true

21:27

then obviously some a in the family

21:29

could answer that

21:31

the me

21:32

i put a higher a way higher

21:34

percentage at this point that

21:36

they know this individual

21:39

that was the case i mean it could

21:41

be happenstance that here's this person

21:43

in town the these girls

21:45

walked in and they they are walking

21:48

because the father's working the

21:50

mother is gonna visit father

21:52

at at work though

21:55

the does put you in the happenstance

21:59

source

22:01

that point it would start leaning towards

22:03

this idea that they might know this

22:06

kidnapper them i know this murderer this

22:08

murder might be somebody

22:10

the family friend that

22:13

may be sale does has not been able to

22:15

the summer doesn't come around as often

22:18

anymore but again

22:20

how much of what they were

22:22

wearing an hour

22:24

they were doing their hair and others of how much was

22:26

that their identity and how the

22:28

services

22:49

right we are birds

22:52

is , cheers you colonel

22:55

tears sig you captain all

22:57

right well we have praised

23:00

the share

23:01

iran keeler for his efforts and

23:03

for his wisdom and for his

23:06

work ethic yes and

23:08

for reaching out to others jurisdictions

23:10

thinking outside of the box if you will

23:12

that was something that wasn't done back then so

23:14

we praised him for that we criticize

23:17

him and his investigation for

23:19

not being able to recover higher

23:22

tracks it either the abduction seen

23:24

or were nancy was eventually found

23:26

by we also criticized but

23:29

the did maybe the newspapers to

23:31

blame for the weird statement of the

23:33

case was pretty much at a standstill these

23:36

days into the investigation i

23:38

did criticize him for saying that we don't

23:40

know he's kind of discounting

23:43

cheryl account that the man was wearing glasses

23:45

which i think is a big misstep by the

23:48

sheriff but here is a huge

23:50

misstep and i although of sheriff keeler

23:52

is to blame or who is

23:54

to blame but somebody was certainly

23:56

at fault here because in nineteen eighty

23:58

five they were jumping ahead

24:01

twenty years in the

24:03

timeline from sixty five eighty five

24:05

and why are we pointing to nineteen

24:07

eighty five well that's because and nineteen eighty

24:10

five nancy's family

24:12

the cupboard the the physical

24:15

evidence that was collected

24:17

at the scene where she was found was

24:20

was or misplaced or

24:22

discarded the

24:24

sheriff's office and paulding

24:27

tally no longer had any

24:29

evidence the nancy case

24:32

now there were several persons

24:34

are several agencies they were

24:36

involved in the chain of custody

24:39

of this evidence so it may

24:41

not fall on the sheriff's department but

24:44

who do you think's gonna get the blame when

24:46

evidence is missing it's going to be the investigating

24:48

agency they are the ones that are charged

24:51

with securing that evidence no matter who

24:53

had it at what point

24:55

if they were you the blame but come on law

24:57

enforcement do the job you're here to serve

25:00

and protect you're not

25:02

protecting or serving

25:04

by losing this evidence so

25:07

where we are today and we're going to jump

25:09

back here in a second but i want to

25:12

focus on this now while we are talking

25:14

about missing evidence because it makes sense

25:17

we're trying to exude nancy

25:20

eagles there is

25:22

for the purpose of collecting additional

25:24

evidence right we mention that

25:27

they lack of nail clippings

25:29

we mention the lack of semen

25:32

samples then we

25:34

don't know if those are things that we're even going

25:36

to be able to get once we

25:38

exude her it would seem unlikely

25:42

there's a possibility given it's

25:45

you know it's unlikely because it's been sixty two years

25:48

and things get lost to time

25:50

and decay

25:51

but

25:52

the other idea here kept and his

25:55

good some of these items because

25:57

this evidence was personal items

25:59

these were personal items in nature

26:02

compared to with our victim

26:04

here good some of these

26:06

items be have been buried with

26:08

her certainly

26:10

a possibility them in opposing that we're very

26:12

hopeful

26:14

that the did that possibility

26:16

remains and it's but again

26:18

this is not maybe something that the family would know

26:21

and so can be helpful of

26:23

because cheryl again was five

26:26

at the time you're not gonna just

26:28

so there's no way remember

26:30

every single detail

26:32

and you know mom lived a very long

26:34

life unfortunately betty is

26:36

no longer with us

26:38

the

26:39

keep in mind these

26:41

are things that parents could forget

26:44

the war

26:45

be unaware else at the time

26:47

there's a lot going on they just

26:49

lost a child unexpectedly

26:52

though again it's something that we're hopeful

26:54

for and that's why somebody

26:56

like ports like that's why we are

26:58

jumping in we're getting involved

27:01

you know we can't save nancy

27:03

ios we can't help nancy

27:06

this isn't quantum leap where we can go back

27:08

in time and right or wrong or

27:11

protect somebody or save someone what

27:13

we can do try

27:16

to help in save the

27:18

sisters that are still alive to this

27:20

day cheryl can you imagine the

27:24

level of victim that

27:27

she is how victimized she

27:29

has been and traumatized he has

27:31

been all of these years if we can find

27:33

some form of justice for the

27:35

eagles and family will be a big

27:38

win not for torchlight will

27:41

be a big win for polling county and

27:44

his community the eagles

27:46

and family yeah big win

27:48

and split so much frustration

27:51

still to this is captain will bring

27:53

us to december first two thousand and

27:55

ten and this is reporting from

27:57

the local newspaper which is called the

27:59

holding county progress and

28:02

they're doing a ongoing

28:04

story of continuing to cover

28:07

the nancy eagles and case and investigation

28:10

and they're doing this article

28:12

and it's and rather lengthy one but

28:15

it's featuring a man named dawn

28:17

roadhouse now dot road house

28:20

says that he was a

28:23

witness

28:24

to the abduction

28:27

and this is very strange to me this

28:29

is something that i'm incredibly serious

28:31

about saddam roan house

28:34

says the he all

28:37

that and he sees

28:39

to people on a vehicle that looks like they

28:41

are fighting and

28:44

he says his sister is with and

28:47

a sister who's ride shotgun

28:49

tells dawn hey that's you

28:51

know that doesn't look like who adults

28:53

that looks like a a little girl

28:56

right

28:57

because i think dawn thought maybe it was just

28:59

a some kind of domestic right

29:02

marriage away side and marriage yeah

29:04

boyfriend girlfriend to adults fighting

29:06

what have then

29:08

little sis points out know that

29:10

doesn't appear to be the grown

29:13

up that appears to be a little girl and

29:16

dawn says it's the flailing arms

29:19

that he and his sister saw

29:21

nancy eagles and fighting this man

29:23

best he's holding her by like

29:25

the hair or the the head and trying

29:28

to push her down maybe

29:30

to conceal her from any passer

29:33

bys the

29:35

people in the area as he's fleeing

29:37

from the abduction seen but

29:41

he says that while eat the abductor

29:43

is trying to push nancy down nancy

29:47

is trying to throw max

29:50

are punches at the

29:53

attacker in this would

29:55

be kind of like a a

29:57

sidearm i guess you will it's like

29:59

swimming motion almost

30:02

then he says it they the vehicle

30:04

was was speeding

30:06

quite heavily

30:08

which makes sense that the man would have been fleeing

30:10

from the abduction seen with a victim

30:12

in his car and

30:14

dances they they gave chase they

30:17

tried to follow

30:19

the vehicle

30:21

there's some point the vehicle last

30:23

now he says the the following

30:26

morning he

30:28

reported this to the authorities

30:32

saying that when he woke up the next day

30:34

he learned that of the murder

30:37

remember nancy was found overnight and

30:40

when he learned of the murder and where

30:42

they sound nancy's body he knows

30:44

where he was driving he says he was driving

30:46

on route one eleventh were nancy

30:48

was abducted from he contacts

30:51

the police and says

30:53

tells them the story that we just told

30:55

you and he says

30:59

the throw little say here on the

31:01

sheriff's department back

31:03

in nineteen sixty he says that he doesn't

31:06

believe the they

31:09

they may not have taken seriously because

31:11

he says that no point did they ever follow up with

31:13

him that he reportedly

31:15

information and they never approached him

31:18

again to ask him to tell his story

31:20

again then he says the back in

31:22

nineteen sixty he believed that

31:24

he could have described the vehicle

31:27

in great detail

31:30

now

31:32

why he didn't describe it in great

31:34

detail when he spoke to the sheriff on the day

31:36

when he reported it i don't know but

31:38

his words make it sound like either he was

31:41

prompted to do so or

31:43

decided not to do so because he thought that

31:45

they would follow up

31:48

here becomes a problem

31:50

we live problems we were privy to some

31:53

some insider information in this case

31:56

and the portion of the sheriff's

31:58

office for i'll or nancy

32:01

eagles since case there's not

32:03

reveal the dawn

32:05

roadhouse reported this the

32:08

day after nancy was killed now

32:11

he very very well may have but

32:14

there's nothing indicating that he did this

32:16

other than this newspaper article his own words

32:20

the when i hear a story like this i

32:22

go at this very

32:24

problematic for me

32:27

one his story is problematic but it's problematic

32:29

for me as a storyteller here in

32:31

the garage i don't

32:33

know how to take this captain simpli

32:36

a guy that's try to do

32:38

a good deed try to help somebody out back in nineteen

32:40

sixty and has come forward all these years

32:42

later in is still trying to help out as is

32:44

just a good guy

32:47

for

32:48

we seen as before

32:50

it wouldn't be the first time and if it

32:52

is the case it won't be the last time it

32:55

could be the case that this man just injected

32:57

himself into the investigation he

33:00

wants to know what law enforcement nuff said

33:02

he's a local so you know the area but

33:06

then a he has gone for mrs sister

33:08

was with him there was another

33:11

pretty solid alibi for the time of the crime

33:13

it would be if he in fact did

33:15

report this back in nineteen sixty

33:18

if we could find proof positive that he didn't reporter

33:20

back then or if we could find proof positive

33:23

that she didn't back and story nineteen sixty

33:25

or nobody else back to story

33:27

nineteen sixty when we wanna know why

33:31

fifty years later he's telling the story

33:35

the other problem too is

33:37

the details inside the story itself

33:41

where cheryl

33:44

see states did see didn't

33:46

see her son is he sees her sister

33:48

looking back right but also

33:51

the suspicion that maybe she was chloroform

33:53

so she was he would have been knocked out

33:55

she would have been out there wouldn't be

33:57

somebody with flailing arms in

33:59

the back

33:59

yeah if that is that's

34:02

what happened right now could

34:04

she have come to woke up and try

34:07

to fight off her attacker yes that's a possibility

34:10

the other problem though is he

34:12

says he chases after the vehicle the

34:14

vehicle loses the problem

34:17

with that cabin is if insects

34:19

the attacker went from abduction sites

34:21

to were nancy was eventually found

34:24

we already talked about that's pretty much straight shot

34:26

you go round to curves and boom it's a straight

34:28

shot

34:30

difficult to lose somebody on a straight

34:32

shot yeah many pieces of his story

34:34

the storm it up but

34:37

like any given the benefit of doubt as it's

34:39

of from attic situation as a stressful

34:41

situation but also

34:43

the time gap there's been a lot time

34:45

has passed right and so things

34:48

that would point to dawn roadhouse

34:50

this statement being questionable

34:52

his statement being suspicious would

34:55

be this for me he

34:58

concocting the story so

35:00

the there is a reason why

35:02

somebody would have seen his vehicle that

35:06

that location that night in

35:08

the of dot in the area of the abduction

35:11

the night to the abduction took place his

35:14

story explains it it away and

35:17

his sister and i'm putting

35:19

that an air quotes being there with

35:21

him would also give

35:23

him an alibi as to yeah i wasn't a bad

35:26

guy in the story on the good guy in the store though

35:29

there's there are some questionable

35:32

things here but again it's it really

35:34

truly is either one or the other either

35:37

he's just a good guy that tried to do a good

35:39

thing and help somebody the

35:41

bad guy one

35:43

the war

35:44

the dagger it's

35:46

very tricky very tricky and

35:49

i know that there are people

35:51

in paulding to this day that

35:53

are very suspicious of dawn story

35:56

and of dawn himself while i'm sure there's

35:58

tons of people users school

36:01

bus drivers

36:03

people that i've never

36:05

got married that live in the town alone

36:08

their style a whole list of people

36:10

that

36:10

people

36:12

i suspect of because you have this crime

36:14

that happened to such a young beautiful

36:17

girl

36:18

then there's no answers so

36:21

this brings us up to two thousand

36:23

and eleven a yes it does in our

36:25

timeline but i do want to speak to what you just

36:27

said they're kept the know that i think that that's

36:29

a very astute and insightful

36:32

statement a huge escape because this

36:35

day the suspicions of

36:37

the locals the people that have been

36:39

around since nineteen sixty the people

36:41

that knew nancy people that went

36:43

to school with her brain or people that

36:46

knew her parents this

36:49

is a small town this is a small town

36:51

murder it affected

36:53

the whole community the community is

36:55

not shield nor move past

36:57

the murder of nancy eagles and and they

36:59

said because it's unresolved

37:02

there's no justice here if

37:05

the killer was a local man you

37:07

could still be local to this day he could still

37:09

be alive there are many people they

37:12

have been suspected by the public throughout

37:14

the years that are still alive and still

37:16

in the town or near paulding

37:18

ohio now

37:21

you said that it could be a teacher a school

37:24

bus driver you know these people mechanic

37:26

anybody you could look at all these people and raised

37:28

eyebrows go well maybe it was him

37:31

maybe it was that guy maybe a

37:33

was a local all along and that

37:35

certainly has been the case for sixty

37:37

two years and paulding ohio

37:40

where

37:41

the list of suspects her

37:43

the public man

37:46

it runs the entire how

37:49

of paulding nobody is safe

37:52

from suspicion

37:54

the sheriff

37:56

drawn killer bread has

37:58

been suspected by people

38:00

to this day as possibly

38:02

either have committed the crimes

38:05

or covered up the crimes because was committed

38:07

by somebody he may have may know

38:10

now years ago while look

38:12

that soft it should be solved

38:15

there's a reason is that solves all

38:17

the reason is you're covering for somebody

38:19

the reason is your covering for yourself

38:22

this is what happens these are how

38:24

these rumors are building

38:26

grow up throughout the years so

38:28

give you a few examples one

38:30

example is virgil johnson the we talked about

38:32

the restaurant owner one

38:34

thing that people have pointed out it isn't

38:37

really something of evidence we talked

38:39

about the blood earlier the

38:41

one thing that was pointed out about virgil

38:43

was there's a stories that says

38:45

that see he had a daughter that was roughly

38:47

nancy's age what he

38:50

was on the phone with nancy a

38:52

week maybe two weeks before she was killed

38:56

inviting her to go skating roller

38:58

skating with his daughter and

39:00

when she said no she couldn't go because he had

39:03

a previous engagement or or something

39:05

that was already planned or maybe mom and dad just

39:07

wouldn't let her go for whatever reason he

39:10

became angry with her an

39:12

angry at the situation that she would not go skating

39:15

he was gonna take his daughter and several of her friends

39:17

skating the and to me that's a very

39:20

bizarre if that's true that's a

39:22

very weird scenario one

39:24

for grown man to call his daughter's

39:26

friends to

39:29

to be angry that she wouldn't go

39:31

i'm forty years old i do not care

39:34

if a fourteen year old go skating or

39:36

it affects me zero

39:38

right i'm not going to be angry about can be

39:41

happy i'm not going to be said no matter

39:43

what i would say so

39:44

another interesting story is that you're not

39:46

forty is that either a

39:48

day before or weeks before

39:51

her death nancy

39:53

babysat for the bowling alley

39:55

owner this was somebody that was well known obviously

39:57

to nancy's family

40:00

the baby sat there child

40:03

she tells her parents after

40:05

the experience i'm never doing that again

40:07

i'm never going over there again

40:10

that doesn't give any further explanation as

40:12

to why it could be something as simple

40:14

as maybe the father

40:16

short changed or

40:19

maybe it was an unpleasant experience because

40:21

the kids that she babysat sucked really bad

40:24

or could it be the she

40:26

went over there to baby sit and learn that the

40:28

the dad's a creep de podemos pp

40:31

it's an interesting story pulled a louis ck

40:34

could it have anything to do with this case difficult

40:36

to say sodas total had another

40:39

situation and this is directly related

40:41

to the sheriff john keeler at the time

40:43

was dead

40:45

it's been reported the

40:48

when he was out looking for nancy

40:50

now keep in mind the corner would

40:53

list nancy's approximate

40:55

time of death as nine pm

40:57

november thirteenth nineteen sixty at

41:00

approximately eight thirty that

41:02

night we have nancy's

41:04

parents who are in a car with

41:06

their friends they are driving around frantically

41:09

looking for their daughter or the vehicle that

41:11

took their dot they

41:13

go out route one eleven as

41:15

anybody would because that's the direction

41:18

that we are told the

41:20

vehicle was traveling it took

41:22

nancy there you go out that

41:24

way and when they got out that way they

41:26

get to the intersection where

41:28

you have to make a last to continue

41:31

on route one eleven or you can

41:33

go straight and now you are on paulding county

41:35

road one seventy

41:38

six her

41:40

body was found off of that road this

41:42

is approximately thirty the corner says

41:45

that she died at approximately nine pm

41:47

that night there's reason

41:49

to believe it's certainly

41:51

possible that the killer in the victim

41:53

could have been at that location at that

41:55

time but

41:58

also at that location this

42:00

sheriff john key who

42:02

tells the eagle sons and their friends

42:04

who are out looking for nancy

42:07

go look elsewhere because i already checked

42:09

back here there's nothing back many

42:12

people have wonder that

42:14

he finds something and was

42:16

covering for somebody or was he covering

42:18

for himself and trying to direct people

42:20

away where nancy

42:23

was eventually found the

42:26

other possibility though is he

42:28

was just a good man out trying to

42:30

do a good thing and trying to

42:32

help nancy the help the situation

42:35

and for whatever reason didn't see a car

42:38

didn't see nancy move

42:41

past and did in fact do as he

42:43

said i just searched back here there's nothing here

42:45

well and that's not where the story

42:47

ends there's more to the story

42:50

possibly and who knows if this is related

42:52

to all of that poor i should say

42:54

probably more to the rumors yeah

42:56

yeah because what we have the the takes

42:58

place as many years later the

43:01

on keeler son john taylor junior

43:03

his wife goes in tells

43:05

police that

43:07

junior killed nancy and

43:09

was responsible

43:11

now junior would have been

43:14

driving age he would have been a little bit

43:17

older than nancy a handful years

43:19

older so it's certainly a possibility

43:21

the thing know that i keep going back to though

43:23

is the statement of cheryl saying

43:26

that you don't know how old

43:28

the man was but she believed

43:31

half of that sort experience that the

43:33

man was older than her father

43:35

or appeared to be older than her father

43:38

my and so junior would not fall

43:40

into that category wouldn't fall anywhere close

43:43

the being in that category the

43:45

other thing too that i have a problem

43:47

with and i'm not saying that we should this

43:49

county sheriff and say he's perfectly innocent

43:52

or that the sun is innocent or

43:54

the sheriff didn't cover for somebody i

43:57

just i simply don't know but what my gut

43:59

tells me that know that the sheriff probably

44:01

was not covering for somebody

44:04

because look at what he did we

44:07

can learn as we can learn from the essence

44:10

of his investigation or nigga go

44:12

with your gut know and him but that

44:15

he was trying to solve this case right

44:17

he was contacting other agencies

44:20

other law enforcement agencies if

44:22

he was trying to cover of something he did something

44:25

that he knew the person that did

44:27

it was trying to cover for them he

44:29

wouldn't be reaching out to other agencies

44:31

that just brings that could

44:34

bring somebody into the area that is an

44:36

expert in come in and see it for what is

44:38

his and go know the sheriff did

44:40

this er nope the sheriff knows who did this

44:43

yeah not to talk up poohpooh all

44:45

over your idea but maybe it only

44:47

do that if you're able to controlled

44:49

outside

44:51

entity you know all i can

44:53

yeah bring them on board when

44:56

to do so so it than i can see

44:58

what they're going to investigate see what leads

45:01

a degenerate and then there

45:03

i can can steer the direction

45:05

because even though you brain outside

45:08

brain and outside sources you're still

45:10

the lead in command the other thing

45:12

too

45:14

if he'd if he were to covers

45:16

for somebody another

45:18

thing that presents the idea and points to

45:20

me that he was not covering for anybody

45:23

would be the fact that he had several opportunities

45:25

to have escaped go for

45:27

this crime yeah good point robert lee stovall

45:30

was arrested then

45:32

suspected immediately and both murders

45:35

and yet

45:36

he investigates sobel

45:38

and basically says it wasn't so

45:41

horrible johnson was investigated

45:43

and even suspected to the point of

45:45

the public did they were ready to string this man

45:48

up and kill him and yet

45:50

he steps and intervenes in says

45:52

it was a virtual dance thomas

45:55

ball convicted of

45:57

similar crimes

45:59

you

45:59

there's didn't do it clears up yeah

46:02

doesn't sound like a guy that is trying to

46:04

cover up a crime or cover for

46:06

somebody had multiple opportunities

46:08

to blame this on somebody that the public

46:10

very likely would have accepted as

46:13

the perpetrator of

46:14

this murder and he didn't do that

46:17

the investigated them and decided that they

46:19

did not do with leaving it open

46:21

for whoever actually did

46:23

it whether he's covering for them or not

46:26

to be charged and convicted of describes

46:28

now i presented that argument

46:30

to the people that seems that they're that

46:32

there was some his dealings by the sheriff's office

46:35

said look this is why the sheriff didn't do

46:37

this is why

46:40

he wasn't covering for somebody and i think it's a valid

46:42

argument but then they present

46:44

the flip side of that coin to me and i say was

46:46

that happenstance or was that

46:48

done on purpose

46:50

normally the older cases don't

46:53

allow gets me like the

46:55

newer cases are them the more recent

46:57

cases but this one seems like there's

46:59

a couple missteps but there doesn't seem like

47:01

there's laden

47:04

yeah

47:06

more on him and lot along

47:08

forsman you noses the

47:10

seem like maybe a couple missteps or maybe

47:12

just where they do they have information

47:15

on certain things but

47:17

seems like is definitely solvable

47:19

well and that was my

47:22

personal opinion as well when reviewing

47:24

this case was i actually thought that the sheriff

47:26

worked it pretty well for nineteen sixty

47:29

again not perfect on the investigation

47:31

but i thought that the killer did

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some good work on this case

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and i know that the current sheriff

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jason landers he as

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strong feelings about this cases well

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and he to believes that it possibly

47:46

could be still solved

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to this day and that's why porch light

47:50

and other people were getting involved that's why the garage

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is reminding people about this old

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taste because it's not been solved

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and we need to figure out what happened here

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the previous sheriff's and i want to

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be clear here the current sheriff spoke

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at length with us about this case

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so he deserves plenty of

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kudos for that the went out of his

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way giving up his valuable time

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to speak with us about

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if he's unsolved case

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he does not fully agree with this

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but he pass this along to me

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he said the previous sheriff

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believe that a man named mark

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hodges committed this

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murder mark hodges looks

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really good for something like this

48:34

something like nancy's attack in her

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murder because he was believed

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to be driving around

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the area of northwest ohio back

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in the day in the sixties committing

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very similar crimes and

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i say believed because hodges

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is a slippery do he's

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one of these guys captain that he was

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brought to trial multiple times for

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rape multiple times for attempted

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murder multiple times for murder

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he seemed to get acquitted every single

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time now i did not have the ability

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to review those court proceedings

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there's trials what

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my gut tells me on more colleges sometimes

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where there's smoke there is fire with

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more hodges there's just too much damn

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smoke man he's

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repeatedly accused and

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tried

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not arrested

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not suspected by the public tried

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brought to trial for similar crimes

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and then eventually convicted

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in one of those crimes

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though i see a guy like more causes and i go

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it's not impossible is not out

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of the realm of possibility to believe

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he could have been there he could

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have been the one that abducted and killed

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nancy eagles now

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we should point out the in two thousand

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and eleven

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hey

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the to see that is near and dear to our hearts

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the national center for missing and exploited

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children they went to boarding ohio

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they met with the sheriff's office they

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collected evidence and we're not allowed

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to see what it is we've been asked

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to not say what that evidence was

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but they collected evidence back dense that

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will help lead to lead conviction if they

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find they right person though

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there is a bright spot in this investigation

50:28

and then in august of twenty twenty

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two this year drawn

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to move this filed

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a motion and paulding county probate court

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to allow the body of nancy eagles and

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to be disinterred from

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the local cemetery where she was buried

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nearly sixty two years ago the

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hearing is set for this september

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the september twentieth the

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determine if we will be allowed to

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do that and

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i'm begging we need to be able to do

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this because it's the last hope

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it's our last chance justice

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they are very likely could be

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something of strong evidentiary

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value

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found while i don't do this gonna

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hurt the case and i think

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maybe us covering a

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and a and happening on the news

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will bring more sense in the maybe

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some more leads and

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maybe we can get some actual evidence to

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test this crime

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there's always

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good case when you you know it's a good case

51:35

when the colonel as gun fired

51:38

up in the garage so today

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we sit here with this case remaining unsolved

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since nineteen sixty nancy

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eagles and family is still searching for

51:47

answers to her murder for

51:49

more than sixty years ago this

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case is extensive

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in time and in materials

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but listen the current sheriff

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his passion about this case

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there will be a fundraiser

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they will be held this september

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eighteenth to help raise money

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for the exhumation of

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nancy to help further

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along her investigation and her

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case and get justice for the

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people of holding an for the eagles

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sense and for her sisters i

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encourage anybody that's in the area to go

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and experience that and take part in that

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fund raiser on september eighteenth

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and paulding ohio the

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arab jason landers believes that this case

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could still be solved he's a good man

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he's a reasonable man

52:37

if you know something about this crime

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please contact upholding county sheriff's

52:42

office as for one nine

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three nine nine three seven

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nine one

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did you so much going on here smoking

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week he ,

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love whispering into

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your sweet your lopes

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colonel do having

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recommended reading for the listeners

53:16

this week we're coming to you with an

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ask for a little bit of help we

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don't ask for help very often hear the garage

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but were asking the you take a little

53:25

bit a time ago to porch light online

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dot org that is the website for

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the nonprofit organization the

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porch like project which is assisting

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the eagles and family in

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hopes of exhuming nancy eagles

53:38

since body and then re investigating

53:41

opening up this investigation again

53:43

for one last crack at justice

53:45

for nancy eagles and and for

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her family members please go to

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porch light online dot org

53:52

and if you wish to make a donation that

53:55

will go directly toward the

53:57

nancy eagles in case we thank

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you so much in it

53:59

it's for any help that you are able

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to offer and then so next week be good