0:44

Hello, friend. I'm glad to

0:46

see you weren't too spooked lost time and

0:48

you've returned to the woods. Here,

0:51

take your place next to the campfire. It's

0:53

all ready for you.

0:59

If you haven't listened to part one of this

1:01

Halloween episode, I highly recommend

1:03

that you do. We have thirty one stories

1:06

from thirty one different crime podcasts. All

1:08

the podcasts are listed in order

1:11

of appearance along with a link

1:13

on where you can find them. I

1:15

am your friend to guide you through the darkness,

1:18

Shane Waters, from foul play crime

1:20

series. Oh, my

1:22

friend finally just showed up by the way.

1:36

Maybe now is a good time to introduce you

1:38

to my friend, Kimbo. His accent

1:40

alone might help ease your fear.

1:43

Campbell is the host of True Crime Island,

1:45

and this is the tale of who killed

1:47

Little Nima Louise Carter.

1:52

So

1:54

grab a beer and pull up a deck

1:56

chair. It's Halloween. And

1:58

it was Halloween night in nineteen seventy

2:00

seven, Lawton, Oklahoma. at

2:03

606 Southwest twenty

2:05

third place, George and Rose

2:07

Carter, have put their daughter nineteen

2:09

month old NEEMA Louise to bed.

2:12

Georgian Rose then retired to their

2:14

own bedroom to sleep. The

2:16

quiet of the night was broken by

2:18

little nema crying in the other room.

2:21

George and Rose would let Neema cried

2:23

out rather than go into see her.

2:25

They didn't want a spoiler, a decision

2:28

they would regret for the rest of their

2:30

lives. You see on this Halloween

2:32

night, there was evil lurking

2:34

at 606 twenty third

2:36

place. In the morning,

2:38

Rose was alarmed that she went to get NEEMA

2:41

out of a cut. NEEMA wasn't

2:43

there and a search of the house failed

2:45

to find her. The cars didn't lock

2:47

their back door or a thing a lot of

2:49

people back in the day didn't do. George

2:52

and Rose called police, but a search of

2:54

the area failed to find their daughter.

2:56

Now there'd been some strange goings

2:58

on before that Halloween night.

3:01

The Carter's home had been broken into

3:03

when photos of NEEMA had been

3:05

scattered behind a shit in the backyard.

3:08

Now this happened just days

3:10

after their dog had been poisoned.

3:13

On Wednesday, the twenty third of November,

3:16

Nema's body would be found on the floor

3:18

of an abandoned house at nineteen

3:20

sixteen d Avenue. just

3:22

minutes from the Carter's home. Although

3:25

she'd been found on the floor of the kitchen,

3:28

she'd had been in an old refrigerator.

3:31

suffocated, and it looked like

3:33

someone had entered the house, opened

3:35

the fridge, and her body had fallen

3:37

out. Now police on the scene

3:39

were shocked at the similarity of an unsolved

3:42

case from the year before, where

3:44

three and a half year old twin sisters

3:46

Tina and Mary car picture

3:49

were found locked in an old fridge

3:51

in an house less than

3:53

a mile from where NEEMA

3:55

was found. and it was near

3:57

train tracks. Now Mary

3:59

suffocated Bettina survived by

4:02

being able to breathe some air

4:04

from a worn seal on the door.

4:06

Now the twins have disappeared from the house

4:09

on the eighth of April nine eight seventy

4:11

six and found on the tenth. They

4:14

both been beaten, beaten,

4:16

and poured in the fridge and left a die.

4:18

Now these old fridges were before

4:20

they had magnetic locks. and

4:22

are able to be locked by the handle at

4:24

the front, and this prevented the

4:27

girls from escaping. But

4:29

Tina was unable to identify her

4:31

abductor it was her babysitter,

4:34

sixteen year old Jacqueline Roboto.

4:37

Now this was backed up by a girl

4:39

who heard her screams from the fridge

4:41

that day and opened the door.

4:43

It was eleven year old Kathy Ford

4:45

who asked Tina who did this

4:47

tour. And Tina replies, Jackie

4:50

Boo. Not only were

4:52

the two cases similar in that the kids

4:54

had been left in fridges to die,

4:57

but Jacqueline Roboto had

4:59

previously babysat for the Carter's

5:01

as well. But police in

5:03

nineteen seventy six didn't have any real

5:05

leads to follow until that

5:07

Halloween murder of NEEMA. Now

5:10

they then interviewed the now

5:12

eighteen year old Roboto, and

5:14

she, of course, denied any involvement in

5:16

either of the crimes, and police couldn't

5:19

get a confession from her. Anyway,

5:22

Jacqueline Roboto would eventually be

5:24

charged in the death of Mary Carpet

5:26

and after a mistrial, she

5:28

would eventually be convicted of murder

5:30

in the first degree and sentenced a

5:32

life in prison. Now,

5:34

Tanner had testified that Jackie

5:36

had ended their grandma's living room

5:38

at three Northwest twenty eighth Street,

5:41

whether watching the tele on the afternoon

5:43

of April the eighth nineteen seventy six

5:45

and told them to come with her. They

5:47

walked several blocks to the house where they were

5:49

told to get into the refrigerator and

5:52

their aunt Thomas Siena would come

5:54

get them later and take them for ice

5:56

cream. Now, what's

5:58

also disturbing about this

6:00

case was that a mister and missus

6:02

Craig that lived nearby saw

6:05

Roboto walking near the house

6:07

and she had hold of the two little

6:09

girls armed by the wrist and they

6:11

were trying to pull loose. Now,

6:13

miss Craig said that afterwards,

6:15

they saw Roberto walking

6:17

alone. Now they also said

6:20

she didn't report this to the police at

6:22

the time because, I guess, like

6:24

other people, I didn't wanna get

6:26

involved.

6:28

Jeez.

6:29

Jacqueline Roboto would never be

6:31

brought to justice for the Halloween murder

6:34

of Nie McArthur. Robbie

6:36

O would die in prison on the twenty sixth

6:38

of August two thousand and five,

6:40

age forty six. So

6:42

to my question at the start, Who

6:45

killed Nima Carter?

6:46

Well, I

6:47

think we can safely say Jacqueline

6:49

Roboto did it. And she probably

6:51

broke into the house and threw Nima's photos

6:54

behind the shared, and I reckon she poisoned

6:56

the doll as well. Why?

6:57

Well, it looks like the Carter's got

7:00

a new babysitter, and Robin

7:02

O was pissed off. Robert

7:04

O. had spoken to a friend at the local

7:06

Quicken Mart after George Carter

7:08

and Tyler that they had another babysitter.

7:11

Now she said, they

7:13

told me that was my job.

7:15

Well, if that's the way he wanted,

7:17

so be it. a jealous

7:19

rage or a psycho killer.

7:22

Lucky they finally locked her up

7:24

so she couldn't kill a game.

7:26

So I've been Campbell Ford from True

7:29

Crime Island. Have a happy Halloween.

7:31

Don't forget to lock your doors and

7:33

make sure you delete your browser history.

7:36

Good night.

7:36

The

7:38

accent helped. Right? Based

7:41

on a true story is hosted by

7:43

Dan. It's the podcast that compares

7:45

your favorite Hollywood movies. With

7:47

history, you can take it from here,

7:49

Dan.

7:51

one of my favorite movies to watch around

7:54

Halloween is nineteen ninety

7:56

two's The Crucible. That movie

7:58

is actually based on a play

7:59

by Arthur Miller, so It's not necessarily

8:02

trying to tell something directly from history,

8:04

but nevertheless, it tells the story of

8:06

the Salem witch trial. So

8:08

let's take a few minutes to learn more about the

8:10

true story as we dig into the

8:12

history behind the crucible.

8:22

It's dark. Why

8:24

non writers character, a girl named Abigail

8:26

Williams Wakes with a start?

8:28

There's a girl in the bed with her

8:30

and with a little shake, Abigail Wakes

8:32

her up. Quietly, the two girls

8:34

get out of bed and put pillows in their

8:36

place. They carefully cover the pillows

8:38

with blankets, so if

8:40

anyone were to peek in at them, they

8:42

would think that the two girls were still in

8:44

bed. Then they sneak downstairs and

8:46

out the side door. The camera

8:48

cuts to another house and we see more girls

8:50

sneaking out of their homes as well. Then

8:52

an overhead shot shows even more

8:54

girls as they quietly make their

8:56

way down the empty dirt streets of the

8:59

town. If you pause the movie, you can

9:01

see twelve girls at any one

9:03

time on the screen. And speaking of

9:05

pausing, let's pause the movie

9:07

ourselves for a moment here because it doesn't give

9:09

any sort of indication of time,

9:11

date, or location. So

9:14

before we continue further, let's turn

9:16

to history to date what we're

9:18

seeing here and give ourselves a geographical

9:20

setting. All of this is happening

9:22

in Salem, Massachusetts on the

9:24

east coast of the United States. That's

9:26

about fifteen miles or twenty four kilometers to

9:28

the north of Boston. The

9:30

year is sixteen ninety two.

9:32

Salem has been in existence for sixty

9:34

six years and has quickly

9:36

grown to being one of the most

9:38

important seaports on the

9:40

new continent. In sixteen ninety

9:42

two, of course, the United States wasn't

9:44

really a thing yet, so Salem

9:46

was an English colony. More

9:49

specifically, it was one of the settlements in

9:51

the Massachusetts Bay colony.

9:53

Boston was considered another settlement

9:55

in that same colony. If we go

9:57

back to the movie, Abigail and the other

9:59

girls were on their way into the

10:02

forest. Once there, a

10:04

slave named Tichuba, leads them in

10:06

some sort of ritual. The girl

10:08

starts swaying back and forth as

10:10

teach about chance. One of the

10:12

girls says, make a spell

10:14

on Joseph Baker, tituba. Make

10:16

him love me. Another one

10:18

calls out, make Daniel pool my

10:20

husband. This whole opening

10:22

sequence of the love spell ritual in the

10:24

forest outside of Salem is, well,

10:26

to be honest, we don't really know if it's true or not, but

10:28

it's probably not. You see, there's

10:31

so much about the events surrounding the store that

10:33

we just don't know. It was

10:35

sixteen ninety two after all. And

10:37

not everything was documented. With that said,

10:39

what we do know of the events leading up

10:41

to the sale in which trials, the

10:43

evidence suggests that it was not because

10:45

of a love spell rich being

10:47

conducted in secret in the forest like we

10:49

see in the opening scenes of the movie.

10:51

One of the sources of documentation that

10:53

we do know about comes from a man named

10:55

Reverend John Hale. He wrote

10:57

a book in sixteen ninety

10:59

seven. You can find the full text of the book

11:01

linked over at based on a true story podcast

11:03

dot com. slash 143

11:07

But here's a quote from his

11:09

book that gives us an idea

11:12

for What might have started the whole thing?

11:14

I fear some young persons

11:16

through a vain curiosity to

11:18

know their future condition have

11:20

tampered with the devil's tools So

11:23

far, that hereby one door was

11:25

open to Satan to play those pranks.

11:27

I knew one of the afflicted

11:29

persons who as I was

11:31

credibly informed, did try

11:33

with an egg and a glass to find her

11:35

future husband's calling till

11:37

there came up a coffin, that

11:39

is a specter in likeness of

11:41

a coffin. And she was

11:44

afterward followed with diabolical

11:46

molestation to her death, and

11:48

so died a single person, a

11:50

just warning to others to take heed

11:52

of handling the devil's weapons lest they

11:54

get a wound thereby. Another

11:57

I was called to pray with being

11:59

under

11:59

sore fits and vexations of Satan

12:02

And upon examination, I found she had

12:04

tried the same charm.

12:06

And after her confession of it

12:08

and manifestation of repentance

12:10

for it, and our prayers to god for

12:12

her, she was speedily released from

12:14

those bonds of Satan. This

12:16

iniquity, though I take it

12:18

not to be the capital crime condemned,

12:20

Exodus twenty two because such

12:23

persons act ignorantly, not

12:25

considering they hereby go to

12:27

the devil. yet borders

12:29

very much upon it and

12:31

is too like Saul's going to

12:33

the witch at Endor and a

12:35

Hasaya sending to the God of Econ

12:37

to inquire. What Reverend Hale

12:39

is referring to is something known

12:41

as Umanci or sometimes

12:43

referred to as a Venus Glass. It

12:45

was thought to have been something like a

12:47

crystal ball. something used

12:49

to tell one's future.

12:52

Remember that scene in Harry Potter and the

12:54

Prisoner of Asking Ben where Harry is in

12:56

Professor Trilani's Divination Class

12:58

and He sees the tea leaves at the bottom of the

13:00

cup to reveal the grim.

13:01

Well, that's

13:02

basically what this charm was except instead of

13:04

tea leaves, they used an egg. The

13:06

basic concept of this method of divination

13:09

is to provide some sort of

13:11

heat and drop an egg onto

13:13

it. then you read the shape that the

13:15

egg white takes when it starts to

13:17

solidify. As Hale mentioned, the girls

13:19

seem to have been using this as a way of

13:21

telling who their future husbands might

13:23

be. So you can see how this the

13:25

idea of the rituals that we're seeing in the

13:28

forest and the movie looking trying

13:30

to cast love spells and things like that could

13:32

be turned into what

13:34

we see. As the

13:37

story goes, The two girls who

13:39

started playing with this former

13:41

divination might have been Abria

13:43

Williams and Betty Paris.

13:45

they got scared when the

13:47

egg white revealed the shape of a coffin,

13:49

presumably predicting some horrible fate.

13:51

Kind of like what we saw with

13:53

Harry Potter. So it's

13:55

not likely that they were performing the

13:57

love spell rituals that we see

13:59

in the movie and said they were using eggs

14:02

as a form of divination. or

14:04

immensely. Think about it that

14:06

the next time you crack an egg over your

14:08

pan, the shape. You see when the

14:10

egg white hits the heated pan, was

14:12

one of the ingredients that went into

14:14

the Salem witch trials hysteria. On

14:17

the other side of that, Reverend Hale's words

14:20

also give us a peek into the mindset

14:22

of Christianity of the day as

14:24

he mentions the charm being the

14:26

bonds of Satan. In fact, reverend Hale's book

14:28

opens with a scripture verse from

14:30

Isaiah eight verses

14:32

nineteen and twenty. When they say unto you

14:34

seek unto them that have familiar

14:36

spirits and unto wizards that peep

14:38

to the law and to the testimony. If they

14:40

speak not according to this word, it

14:42

is because there is no light

14:44

in them. The witch that Reverend Hale

14:46

mentions is also from the

14:48

bible, the witch of Endor. That comes from

14:50

first Samuel chapter twenty eight

14:52

verses six through eight. when the first

14:54

king of Israel, Saul,

14:56

sought out the council of a witch in the city of

14:58

Endor. He asked the

15:00

witch to, quote, divine

15:02

unto me by the

15:04

familiar spirit and bring me

15:06

him up whom I

15:08

shall name unto thee. End quote.

15:10

As that story goes, King Saul

15:12

asked for the spirit of his old mentor

15:14

and prophet of God, Samuel. But

15:16

things didn't turn out so well when the spirit of

15:18

Samuel prophesied the Israelites would be defeated

15:21

by the Philistines the next day, battle.

15:23

And so you start to get an idea for

15:25

why the Christians and Salem could

15:27

see this as an example of

15:29

cause and effect. Essentially,

15:31

there are dire consequences

15:34

for getting help from a witch.

15:36

Between February of sixteen ninety two

15:38

and May of sixteen ninety three,

15:40

more than two hundred people were accused

15:42

of what we now know as the

15:44

Salem witch trials. thirty of those

15:46

were found guilty by the court and

15:48

twenty of those thirty were killed,

15:50

nineteen by hanging and

15:52

one. by being pressed to death

15:54

when he refused to go to trial.

15:56

Looking back on it, many historians

15:58

have suggested the Salem witch trials

16:00

became an excuse

16:03

for people to steal land and

16:05

possessions. After all, when

16:07

someone was accused, all their assets would be

16:09

forfeited to the crown. Remember, it

16:11

was an English settlement and not the United

16:13

States. The United States was not a country yet, but

16:15

it's not like the king personally took the assets

16:17

of those accused. That's just how the

16:19

law worked. then those assets would usually

16:21

come up for auction. Often, the accuser

16:23

would coincidentally be the one purchasing or

16:25

simply taking ownership That's

16:27

how the assets would change hands

16:30

legally. So those accused

16:32

would lose their possessions and someone

16:34

else would swoop in to

16:36

take them over. It was all

16:38

legal. Meanwhile, lives

16:40

were ruined and even lost in

16:42

the process. It wasn't

16:44

until eighteen years later in

16:46

seventeen eleven that a bill was passed to

16:48

officially restore the good names

16:50

and rights. Five hundred and seventy

16:52

eight pound was split amongst the

16:54

survivors and relatives of the accused.

16:57

It's tough to calculate the exact

16:59

amount from that time. But as close

17:01

as I configure, that's probably about

17:03

forty two thousand dollars in today's US

17:05

dollars. So far,

17:07

there

17:07

has been a lot of tails

17:09

from the US. But the world is a really big

17:11

place. Jessica is the host of

17:13

the Asian Madness Podcast.

17:15

She specifically covers crime on

17:17

the Asian continent. who better to bring us

17:19

a tale from her home country

17:22

of Taiwan.

17:27

Many of

17:27

you may not be familiar with Taiwan and

17:29

what it's like. But just like

17:31

any other place around the world, we have

17:34

some specific spots that are

17:36

said to be extra haunted. One

17:38

of these places is a

17:40

tunnel in Taipei city called

17:42

Xinhai What's so

17:44

special about this place? Well,

17:46

for

17:46

one

17:47

thing, this tunnel is notorious

17:49

for all the accidents that have

17:52

taken place in and around it. Another

17:54

reason is because the western entrance of

17:56

the tunnel leads directly to

17:58

the second municipal funeral

18:01

parlor in Taipei city.

18:03

Not only that, the mountain in

18:05

which the tunnel is

18:06

carved from is

18:07

home to many old graves

18:10

you drive during the day and you look

18:12

up, it might just seem like

18:14

any old regular mountain. But

18:16

if you look closely, you can

18:18

see there are many traditional gravestones lined

18:21

up all around it. Almost

18:23

everyone is aware that this tunnel is

18:25

known to be haunted, Many

18:28

people who drive through this tunnel

18:30

are wary and extra careful.

18:32

It might be a bit superstitious,

18:34

but it doesn't hurt to be

18:36

alert driving through tunnels. Many

18:39

people have reportedly

18:41

seen a womanly figure walking in

18:44

the tunnel and some have even heard a woman's

18:46

voice near them when driving.

18:48

It should be impossible to hear

18:50

something like that, so clearly, when

18:52

you're driving through a tunnel, which

18:55

leads us to today's tale.

18:57

A taxi driver experienced

18:59

something quite extreme. and this is

19:01

his story. One

19:04

night, he was making his usual rounds

19:06

around the city, and that's when he

19:08

drove through the tunnel. At

19:10

the entrance,

19:11

he found

19:12

an expressionless young woman waving

19:14

at him. So of course,

19:16

he stopped and let her get in.

19:18

He didn't

19:19

think much of it. The

19:21

area

19:21

was close to the city, so

19:24

not exactly in the middle of

19:26

nowhere. The woman was

19:28

very pale. almost sickly.

19:30

The driver didn't cry, just

19:32

simply asked her for her destination.

19:34

She gave him an address

19:37

and off he went. They

19:39

drove around and the driver was

19:41

feeling somewhat uncomfortable. Like something

19:43

in the air didn't feel

19:45

right. but he talked it up to him being superstitious

19:47

and tired. Eventually,

19:50

the taxi driver arrived at their

19:53

destination. and as the woman was about

19:55

to get off, she calmly told

19:57

the driver that she didn't have

19:59

money on her and asked if

20:01

he would please wait out side while she went in

20:03

and got her purse. Well,

20:05

it's not like the driver had much of

20:07

a choice. So he agreed to

20:10

this. The woman

20:12

got out, entered the residence, and

20:14

thus began the waiting game.

20:16

The driver waited and

20:19

waited. and time seemed to go by even more

20:21

slowly in the middle of the

20:23

night. Finally, twenty

20:25

minutes went by and he was a

20:27

little frustrated. he wanted to continue

20:29

on his taxi route, or

20:31

maybe even go home. So

20:33

he got out of his taxi, went

20:35

out to the residence and pressed on the doorbell. It

20:38

was late, so it took a few

20:40

tries, but eventually a man answered.

20:43

A taxi driver explained that

20:46

he dropped off a young woman about twenty

20:48

minutes ago, and she said she needed to

20:50

get her and that he was still

20:52

waiting. Demand on the other end

20:54

of the call box eventually walked

20:56

out and it was an

20:58

older man. He handed the money over

21:00

to the taxi driver and

21:02

apologized. The driver was a

21:04

bit confused, but before he could

21:06

ask or say anything, the

21:09

older man opened his mouth once

21:11

again. According to

21:13

him, his daughter had passed away in a car

21:15

accident a while ago in

21:17

Shanghai Tunnel. where she was picked up

21:19

that night. Ever since

21:21

then, she would appear

21:23

sporadically. Hail

21:25

taxis, and asked them to drop her off at her home.

21:27

The driver had no words

21:29

for this older man. He

21:31

simply thanked him. gave

21:34

him his condolences and got

21:36

back in his taxi. Understandably,

21:39

he decided to call it and

21:41

headed straight home afterwards. So

21:44

that's one of the many, many tales involving

21:46

this Shanghai tunnel. probably

21:49

the most haunted tunnel in Taiwan.

21:51

I know that this tale

21:53

is probably more on the set and

21:56

depressing end rather than the spooky

21:59

side. But can you really not get spooked

22:01

out as well knowing you gave

22:03

a lift to a ghost. It's

22:05

perfectly normal to feel a mix of

22:07

emotions, and this is one

22:09

of those cases. I

22:11

don't

22:11

give the lips to

22:14

anyone, and that was a good example

22:16

as to why. May I

22:18

ask, have you ever heard of summoning the

22:20

candy man Mara and Taz

22:22

from sisters who kill are here to

22:24

share the tale.

22:29

Our

22:33

players this week are

22:36

the

22:36

plantation

22:38

owner,

22:38

the murderer, and

22:40

Daniel

22:42

Rabatell,

22:42

the Candy

22:44

Man. There

22:46

once lived a man named Daniel

22:49

Rabatell. Daniel was a slave who worked on a

22:51

plantation in New Orleans, New

22:53

Orleans, as they like to call

22:55

it. But he wasn't just any

22:57

old slave. This man was

22:59

also a talented painter.

23:01

I mean, hands

23:03

down everybody

23:04

loved to see his

23:06

paintings.

23:06

So his owner, the plantation

23:08

owner, decides that he wants Daniel to

23:10

paint a portrait of his daughter.

23:12

His beautiful,

23:15

loving, Snow white flake skin

23:17

daughter. Now paintings of course, as

23:19

most of you know, they take time,

23:21

especially really good ones.

23:23

So that meant that Daniel had to spend a lot

23:25

of time with his owner's

23:28

daughter, and he ended up

23:30

falling in love with

23:32

her. which

23:33

which is is

23:34

one big

23:36

mistake. The plantation owner

23:38

of course found

23:39

out about this and he was

23:42

piss. I mean he was

23:44

livid to

23:44

the point that he grabbed a mob of

23:47

people, a mob of angry white

23:49

to go get Daniel. The mob

23:51

came and they were armed with pitchforks and

23:53

they were ready to catch Daniel. They

23:55

chased him through the fields and they finally

23:57

caught him. And when they caught him, they were near an

23:59

old barn. Daniel, he had been running

24:01

and hiding, and he was exhausted

24:04

sit and he literally could not run anymore. The

24:06

mob came up. They grabbed Daniel and they

24:08

were all garling at him with

24:10

a snaggle tooth self and they

24:12

took a rusty saw and

24:14

they cut off Daniel's

24:16

right hand. The hand that he

24:18

was so famously known

24:21

for painting these beautiful portraits,

24:24

the hand of a slave

24:26

that fell in love with his

24:28

master's daughter. The next thing the mob did

24:30

was go and find a whole bunch

24:32

of honey. Don't ask me why these white

24:34

folks had all this honey, but they did

24:36

and they doused Daniel's body.

24:38

in this honey and threw him

24:41

in a beehive. They watched and

24:43

they laughed and they snickered and

24:45

they kept making Daniel stay in

24:47

this beehive until the bees

24:49

stung him to death.

24:51

Now listen, the average person can

24:53

safely tolerate ten stings

24:55

per pound of your body weight.

24:57

This means that although five

24:59

hundred sings could kill a child,

25:02

the average adult can withstand

25:05

over eleven thousand

25:07

bee stings before dying. So

25:10

Needless to say, Daniel suffered

25:12

a painful, painful

25:14

death. And it wasn't fast either. His

25:16

arm is throbbing from his

25:18

hand ring cut off and on top of

25:21

that his body is

25:23

swelling due to all the

25:25

bee stings. as if this is

25:27

not enough, the

25:29

plantation owner comes over and holds

25:31

a mirror to Daniel's face

25:33

so that he could look at

25:35

himself. he mocks Daniel and says,

25:37

but my daughter won't like you no

25:40

more. But that's the end of that.

25:42

So Daniel is like, man, this

25:44

is really messed up. they could've just killed me,

25:46

but you don't torture me to

25:48

the eye a bit.

25:49

So before Daniel dies,

25:50

he looks into the mirror.

25:53

and he whispers candy men.

25:55

Now this puts a curse on the

25:57

plantation owner, the mob,

25:59

and Anybody else who dare speak his name. The

26:02

plantation owner and a mob, they all end

26:04

up dying in mysterious ways.

26:06

Nobody was ever able to explain

26:09

it. Due to the excruciatingly painful

26:11

way that Daniel died, his spirit

26:13

was never able to rest.

26:15

Years after passing, his ghost

26:17

rose from its grave. Daniel's ghost

26:20

appears with a hook for a hand

26:22

dressed in a black trench coat with fur

26:24

on the collar. Under his

26:26

black trench coat is a

26:28

hollowed out chest cavity

26:29

covered in honey and

26:32

bees.

26:32

Legend has it that those who have

26:34

some in the candy men were killed

26:36

with his hook. And if that didn't work, the swarm of

26:38

bees will finish them off. If you decide

26:41

that you wanna talk to the candy

26:43

man, all you gotta do

26:45

is say candy man five

26:47

times by looking into a mirror, and

26:49

he will appear. Candy

26:51

man.

26:51

Candy man. Candy

26:54

man.

26:54

Candy man.

26:57

Nah. Y'all got it. Alright, Shaul. We

26:59

have a

26:59

part of our show called Well,

27:01

I'm not black. I'm 0GI

27:05

ain't do it, but if

27:05

I did, this is how I would've got away

27:07

with it. I didn't do Halloween last

27:10

year. But if I did,

27:12

I would have been ready

27:14

from rocket power. I didn't

27:16

do it, but if I did,

27:18

I would have

27:19

dressed up like

27:20

Josephine Baker. But you know,

27:23

like, a lot of people dress up as Josephine Baker

27:25

because she is a Vaudville performer that

27:27

is very famous. but when a

27:29

it, they ended up doing blackface.

27:31

So we have a couple minutes left and we're

27:33

gonna tell you guys why

27:36

Assuming blackface for Halloween is a horrible

27:38

thing. Blackface is

27:40

inappropriate anytime, but people like to think that they

27:42

can get away with it because it's Halloween and you're

27:44

supposed to dress up as something there's

27:46

like a actual history behind blackface

27:48

and why it's demeaning. It's

27:50

not even just blackface. It's

27:53

cultural appropriation and all types,

27:55

but like, Blackface has been found on

27:57

since Black Minstrel shows of

27:59

the eighteenth and

27:59

nineteenth century.

28:01

Like, this is a long

28:03

history of demeaning behavior

28:05

that you can't just excuse with the

28:07

date of a holiday? Right. So

28:09

blackface actually first showed up in

28:11

American theater and fun

28:14

fact. It is the only form of theater

28:16

that is original to America. Everything

28:18

else was made outside made

28:20

or

28:20

originate outside of this country. And it is made by

28:23

actors

28:23

burning quirk, and later

28:25

they use Shoe Polish to

28:27

paint their faces black so that they

28:30

could play these stereotypes of

28:32

what they thought black people were. To

28:34

pass on the ideas that

28:36

that black

28:36

people that were from the south lazy, ignorant,

28:40

superstitious, high hypersexual meant

28:42

to only be mammies

28:43

or pickin' nitties, and they

28:45

did this by also

28:48

playing

28:48

music, song and dance. They did this

28:50

not only by creating stereotypes about

28:52

black people, but they also

28:55

tried to give this illusion because because

28:57

blackface, the art of blackface

28:59

started way before the civil war, but so they

29:01

were giving this illusion through art

29:04

propaganda that slaves on the

29:06

plantation were happy. They're singing and dancing and

29:08

shucking and driving and eating watermelon, so they

29:10

must be having a good time. That's why

29:12

slavery is a thing. Blackface was something that started

29:14

off in Vaudeville shows and then made

29:16

its way to the great white way known as

29:18

Broadway. From there, it was the most

29:20

popular form of entertainment to

29:22

the point where black performers that may have worked

29:24

the VOD VILL circuit, they ended

29:26

up having to quirk up. Quirking up is

29:29

basically when you burn the cork and you paint your

29:31

face black. famous black performers

29:33

had to quirk up at that time because that was

29:35

the only way that they would be

29:37

able to perform. Because that

29:39

was the only way that white people would

29:42

accept entertainment from a

29:44

black performer. That was the only way that they

29:46

would accept any type of

29:48

black media. So when you guys are picking

29:50

out your Halloween costumes this

29:52

year, not saying that you can't be somebody

29:54

outside your grocery, you don't have to darken your

29:56

skin to do it. You can

29:58

be Wakanda, if you want to

30:00

just don't paint your skin black. Right?

30:02

Like, I seen some white boys dress up as the

30:04

Mikos and it was one of the best costumes.

30:06

And I was And still white boys. And

30:08

still white boys, I don't know exactly who

30:10

they were. There's a way to

30:12

do it. Also, do not dress up

30:15

as people's culture, people's culture and

30:17

not costume. Do not put on head

30:19

dresses and all that stuff. They have a

30:21

meaning, they have a purpose, and

30:23

it's not for

30:23

you to get voted best

30:24

dressed at a party. Alright? Thanks.

30:26

So until next time.

30:30

Happy holidays.

30:31

Candy

30:36

man. Well, I

30:39

didn't call this the nightmare before Halloween

30:41

for nothing, I guess. Good luck to

30:43

both of us. A lot of my friends

30:45

here tonight have two podcasts. As

30:47

do I, I'd like to share a little history with

30:50

you from my podcast hometown

30:52

history. Did you know there

30:54

is a different candyman too?

31:10

Halloween is really

31:12

a special time, isn't it?

31:16

especially for me. You can see

31:18

why if you know who I am.

31:20

Look up a little. That's

31:23

me, a Jack o'lantern. At

31:25

Halloween time every year, I sit up here and

31:27

watch everybody go by. It's a

31:29

nice and scary time, isn't it? All

31:31

those wonderful costumes and

31:33

masks and makeup, I think about

31:35

how much fun Halloween is. I

31:38

also worry a little bit about the

31:40

things that can spoil the fun of Halloween.

31:43

Those kinds of things scare me too.

31:45

The best part

31:46

of old Halloween safety PSAs,

31:48

like that one, was the

31:50

long list of well intentioned, but often

31:53

terrible advice. Like, don't

31:55

wear black. What

31:56

about

31:57

this color? A

31:59

white cast who

31:59

makes an unusual different kind of

32:02

witch who's more likely to be safe

32:04

on Halloween night.

32:06

Another suggestion was to wear large fluorescent

32:09

reflective panels all over your

32:11

body so you're basically glowing in

32:13

the dark. A good way

32:15

to make any costume easier to see at

32:17

night is to decorate it with reflective

32:20

tape or reflective patches. This

32:23

one

32:23

was a little more reasonable.

32:25

Expand the eye holes in

32:27

your mask.

32:28

Now, how about the

32:31

mask? any problem with it?

32:33

Do you remember how hard it was

32:35

to see out through those little eye holes?

32:39

To

32:39

be safe at night, you have to be

32:41

able to see clearly as well as

32:43

be seen. We can

32:45

improve the mask by cutting larger holes

32:47

to look out of

32:51

Or if

32:52

you want to have even less

32:55

fun, There

32:55

is an even safer way.

32:59

You can simply

33:01

not wear a mask.

33:04

But

33:04

as every eighties or ninety kid knows, the

33:07

greatest threat was always the

33:09

candy. You see, some

33:10

people think it's fun to play tricks with

33:13

your treats. Watch for candy wrappers that

33:15

have been torn or punctured. That

33:17

might be a sign of tampering. There might

33:19

be things in the candy, so break

33:21

open candy bars before you

33:23

eat them. cut fruit into pieces before you eat

33:25

it, just in case something's been stuck

33:27

in it. Watch out for things that

33:29

look like candy. but might

33:31

be medicines or drugs or

33:33

even poisons. Don't

33:35

eat anything that doesn't look right.

33:37

If it looks funny, It might not be so

33:39

funny if you ate it. Treats are

33:41

so much fun to collect. It'd be

33:43

awful to have them spoil your Halloween

33:45

fun by making you sick. Corey's

33:47

treats won't make her sick, and I hope yours won't

33:49

make you sick either.

33:51

This idea that strangers

33:53

were trying to poison you,

33:55

was everywhere when we were kids.

33:58

Every kid in America heard this

34:00

morning, every single

34:02

Halloween. And if people gave you fruit

34:04

or cookies, or unwrapped candy,

34:06

your parents probably made you throw it away.

34:08

The irony of all this

34:10

hysteria and fear was that it came back

34:12

to one case

34:14

in Texas where a man named Ronald

34:16

Clark O'Brien used a giant pixie stick to poison his

34:18

own son. O'Brien laced

34:21

five of these pixie sticks with potassium

34:23

cyanide and painted them out on Halloween night. He

34:26

gave two of them to his children,

34:28

Timothy and

34:30

Elizabeth on whom he had recently taken insurance policies

34:32

in order to disguise the

34:34

source of the poison candy.

34:37

O'Brien gave two more pixie sticks to his neighbor's

34:40

kids. He gave the fifth to a

34:42

ten year old from his

34:44

church. Fortunately, four of the children

34:46

were not in the mood for pixie

34:48

sticks. Unfortunately, Timothy

34:50

O'Brien's eight year old son did

34:52

eat his and died on the way to the hospital later that

34:55

night. This next clip is from

34:57

life coverage, from the courthouse,

34:59

during O'Brien's murder trial,

35:02

in nineteen seventy five. Most

35:04

of

35:04

today's testimony came from Jimmy Bates, a

35:07

close friend of the O'Brien family.

35:10

Bates said that before Halloween, O'Brien asked if he

35:12

could bring his children over to trick or treat

35:14

with the Bates' children on Halloween night.

35:17

Both families ate dinner together, and then the fathers

35:19

took the children trick or treating. Bates

35:21

said, O'Brien went to one house where no one appeared

35:23

to be home. And after the children had scampered ahead

35:26

to the next house, O'Brien came

35:28

off the front porch carrying the pixie

35:30

sticks. He gave the pixie

35:31

sticks to the children and then later

35:33

took them back and said he wanted to stop at his car

35:35

for a moment. Bates said when

35:37

O'Brien came back into the Bates' house, he

35:39

returned the pixie sticks to the children.

35:42

Later that night, Timothy O'Brien died

35:44

from eating a poisoned

35:46

pixie stick. O'Brien was found guilty

35:48

of

35:48

capital murder and sentenced to death

35:50

by electrocution. He was executed

35:52

by lethal injection nine years later.

35:55

on March thirty first nineteen eighty four in the middle of

35:58

the night. In the words of the prison

36:00

chaplain, the most despised

36:02

person ever escorted into the

36:04

death house, was Ronald

36:06

Clark O'Brien, a short

36:08

puffy man who had been absolutely

36:10

friendless during the eight and a half years

36:12

he'd been in prison. In the week before

36:14

he was scheduled to be executed.

36:16

In fact, inmates at the walls

36:18

had even petitioned to be allowed

36:20

some manner of

36:22

organized demonstrations. to show their

36:24

disdain for the former optician

36:26

who had been convicted of murdering

36:28

his eight year old son. Even if

36:30

you've never heard this story before, probably know

36:32

O'Brien's nickname. They called

36:34

him The Candy Man. Obviously,

36:36

this is an extreme story

36:39

involving a heinous crime but

36:41

there's a lesson in it even for those of us

36:43

who are not planning to poison a family member

36:45

this Halloween. Personal

36:48

relationships matter. If the people

36:50

closest to you are not trying to kill

36:52

you, it is likely no one

36:54

will. We often have this idea in

36:56

life that we have to make

36:58

everyone happy. we have to make

37:00

everyone like us. In reality, we just have to be kind and faithful

37:02

to the people in our inner circles

37:04

and in our neighborhoods. And

37:07

if we do that, chances are extremely good

37:10

that no one will die. Over

37:12

ninety percent of homicides are committed by

37:14

people we know and of all

37:16

violent crimes. Hama Site

37:18

is the least likely to be committed by

37:20

a stranger. If you lose your

37:22

job, your money,

37:24

your status, but all your most important relationships are

37:26

healthy. You're probably going to be

37:28

okay. So this Halloween season,

37:30

I'd encourage you again to

37:32

invest in things that

37:34

matter. I'd also like to encourage you to

37:36

wear black in a mask if you'd

37:38

like, and to not ruin

37:40

your costume. with reflective panels or cut your candy

37:42

bars into little pieces before you

37:44

eat them.

37:47

If

37:48

you can do all

37:50

that, then you won't have to worry

37:52

about scary real things happening

37:55

on Halloween. Right?

37:56

Right.

38:10

Have

38:12

a

38:13

fun and safe.

38:19

History

38:22

can be spooky sometimes too.

38:24

Right? Do you enjoy coffee?

38:26

How about true crime? while

38:29

Maggie and Alison cover lesser known cases and they like

38:31

their coffee hot in cases cold.

38:33

On the Coffee and

38:36

cases podcast, The

38:38

setting

38:38

for our

38:39

case this week, Maggie, is

38:42

New York. The

38:43

towns of Chiktowaga

38:46

and DePugh New York

38:48

to be exact on

38:50

the evening of Saturday October

38:53

thirtieth nineteen eighty two.

38:55

Eighteen year old James Adamsky

38:57

had on his costume. He

38:59

was going for what he called the

39:01

American Jigolo look.

39:02

The Richard

39:04

Gear

39:04

film had just come out two years

39:07

earlier, and I'm sure James, this

39:09

eighteen year old, was loving

39:10

the idea of going as a young man looking for

39:12

a sugar mama. Oh,

39:13

I'm sure. I'm positive.

39:16

No, Maggie. This

39:17

was a different time

39:20

since it wasn't until nineteen

39:22

eighty eight that all

39:23

states in the US had raised their

39:26

drinking age to

39:28

twenty 10I feel so

39:30

dumb. I didn't even know that there was a

39:32

different age. I didn't know this

39:34

either until I started researching this

39:36

case. But at the time, It was

39:38

legal at the age of

39:40

eighteen to drink in New York, and that

39:42

was precisely James

39:44

the didn't faze clan

39:45

Adesis plan. he was heading from his home on View

39:48

Court in Chikawaga to the

39:50

five and twenty three bar at

39:52

the corner of transit road

39:54

and Walden Avenue

39:55

in Dubuque. They were

39:56

having a Halloween Eve

39:58

celebration, and it

39:59

was one

40:00

of those charge and drink

40:03

all night deals. Okay. So I

40:05

feel like very typical

40:07

experience for a lot

40:09

of eighteen year olds. Yes. And I'm thinking it

40:11

happened on Halloween Eve because Halloween Eve was

40:13

a Saturday. Oh, yeah. And Halloween was

40:15

on a Sunday.

40:18

before making the two mile walk from his home to

40:20

the bar. He let his parents know

40:23

he'd be home later. And

40:25

then when passing by his eight year old

40:28

younger brother Andy already in

40:30

his costume and ready to go

40:32

get as much candy as

40:34

humanly possible, James kissed

40:36

his little brother on the forehead and said,

40:38

have a good time trick or treating

40:40

kid as he strode out the

40:42

door. I know. I I can

40:45

imagine, like, a little ruffling of the hair. Yeah. Me too.

40:47

I mean, okay. At the bar

40:49

that night, like most eighteen

40:51

year olds I'm sure would.

40:54

James made the most of the all you

40:56

can drink. And by

40:58

most accounts, was quite

41:00

inebriated by the end of the

41:02

night. Yeah.

41:03

Again, as most eighteen year

41:05

old people would be. Yes.

41:06

while James was a happy, go lucky, thoughtful guy.

41:08

He did get

41:09

into an argument

41:11

that evening with some other patrons

41:13

at the bar, but it

41:17

luckily quickly deescalated before

41:20

anything got out of hand or got

41:22

physical

41:22

or

41:23

anything like that. James left five and

41:25

twenty three and the wee hours of the

41:27

following morning, October thirty first. And five and

41:29

twenty three is

41:30

the name of the bar? Correct.

41:34

Okay. He left

41:34

the bar walking south in the

41:37

company of a young woman

41:39

and walked along transit

41:41

road near Broadway with her

41:43

for part of his journey back home before

41:45

parting ways around three thirty AM.

41:47

So I'm assuming because you say

41:49

a young woman we

41:52

don't know this lady's name? I have not

41:54

seen her name printed anywhere.

41:57

No. But

41:58

James

41:59

Adamsky never made at

42:02

home. His

42:03

brother Andy recalled to

42:06

journalist Dan Herbic

42:07

and Karen Robinson of the

42:09

Buffalo News, quote, when he didn't

42:10

come home the next morning, my mother

42:13

knew something was wrong. He was

42:14

very respectful of our parents. He would never have stayed away

42:17

all night without telling them end quote.

42:19

Do you know what this reminds me

42:21

of? It reminds me of. the

42:24

episode we did episode one fifty on Kurt Silva

42:26

that he tells his parents he's gonna be

42:28

out, and they just kinda trust him and they

42:30

go to bed. But then when they wake up,

42:33

he isn't there. Yeah. It's super similar because

42:36

James kind of had that same

42:38

relationship with his parents. So when he

42:40

didn't come

42:42

home, that was so out of character for him

42:44

that his parents immediately

42:46

alerted law enforcement

42:47

when he didn't

42:50

come

42:50

home. However, even with launching a large scale

42:52

search,

42:52

officers found no sign

42:56

of James. nearly

42:58

two months after his disappearance,

43:00

though, on December

43:02

twenty sixth to

43:04

day now. Christmas.

43:06

two rabbit hunters were out

43:09

in a rural wooded area,

43:11

right by

43:11

some railroad tracks near Ransom

43:14

Road in Lancaster, New

43:15

When they approached what looked like

43:18

a thicket upon moving

43:20

some leaves and twigs out of the

43:22

way thinking that they would

43:24

scare rabbits out into the open. They instead

43:26

discovered a body, buried in

43:28

a shallow grave, and covered

43:30

with those twigs that I

43:32

mentioned. Mhmm. The

43:34

very next day, police had identified the body

43:36

as that of James Adamsky. He

43:39

scheme was

43:40

still dressed in his

43:42

costume from the night he went missing. Though his

43:45

body was found in a

43:47

location four miles, the yells from

43:49

where

43:49

half last been seen.

43:51

The cause

43:52

of death was blunt force trauma to

43:54

the head. From what law enforcement speculated

43:57

was an instrument like a

43:59

base all that a

43:59

two by four or a tire

44:02

eye.

44:02

Oh, my goodness. That

44:04

is such a wide range.

44:06

Yeah. A bizarre weapon. our

44:09

tire irons, the things that you use when you're

44:11

changing a flat

44:11

tire, the

44:14

skinny things.

44:16

He had

44:16

been dealt numerous blows to the

44:19

head, making it clear that this was

44:21

a homicide and not

44:24

an accident. But finding

44:25

the perpetrator would prove harder

44:28

than they thought because James was a young

44:30

man whom everybody seemed to

44:32

adore and who had

44:34

no

44:35

known enemies. who would want to harm someone like

44:37

that. And while

44:38

there was the argument at the

44:40

bar, those

44:41

individuals were questioned

44:44

by and cleared by law enforcement. Yeah. And you

44:46

said it deescalated quickly. So -- Right. --

44:48

that makes me think they kind of resolved it on

44:50

their own. and

44:52

the girl he walked partially with, the last other

44:54

than the perpetrator, to see him alive, was

44:57

also questioned and

44:59

cleared as well. Police

45:02

did

45:02

collect some of the

45:05

twigs that had been covering

45:07

James' body because those

45:10

twigs were of a similar

45:12

length and had clearly been

45:14

broken off of

45:16

nearby trees. which

45:17

told law enforcement that the perpetrator had

45:19

touched them while attempting to

45:22

conceal James' body. So it wasn't

45:24

as though his body where they are

45:26

two months, and so, you know, random

45:28

branches had fun. That was just natural.

45:30

Exactly. This is

45:32

purposeful concealment. Those twigs were sent to a laboratory to test for

45:34

fingerprints, but they were unable to

45:36

find the Emmy. But what

45:37

about his close? There should

45:39

be something on those.

45:42

Yes. And

45:42

you're right because while an attempt at obtaining

45:44

DNA evidence was unsuccessful with

45:47

the twigs, law enforcement do

45:49

still have his Halloween

45:51

cost and they do hope that one day

45:54

DNA testing will advance enough that the

45:56

clothes will

45:56

point them directly to

46:00

James's killer.

46:00

And it advances. I feel like every day we're learning about new new

46:02

advancements, so I'm sure that's possible.

46:05

Exactly. In the meantime, what

46:07

police need most is

46:10

for someone, anyone with information about that

46:12

night to come forward to detail everything

46:15

that they remember. the smallest

46:18

and seemingly insignificant memory of

46:20

that night could be, all they

46:23

need to solve this case. and they

46:25

do believe Maggie, because of the body's location so

46:27

far away, that someone

46:30

had picked James up in

46:32

a car. I

46:34

wonder

46:34

if it was someone he knew.

46:36

Well, they

46:36

speculate on that. We don't know.

46:39

It was either someone he knew

46:41

and so he willingly accepted

46:43

a ride from them went along the way or

46:45

he was forced into a

46:48

car by someone with

46:50

an intent

46:51

to cause harm.

46:53

But despite

46:54

many uncertainties, one

46:56

detail actually stands out to me.

46:59

and that is that his body was found

47:01

in a rural area that was not

47:03

easily accessible. So they

47:04

needed to be familiar with

47:07

the area. that's what it seems to say

47:09

to me. While James'

47:11

father passed away in two

47:13

thousand and his mother in two thousand

47:15

five without any closure, His

47:17

brother Andy and James's other siblings

47:20

still live with hope of

47:21

answers. Andy

47:22

recalled the devastating aftermath of

47:25

his brother's murder in the Buffalo

47:27

News article, Cold Case Files, thirty

47:29

four years later, Halloween

47:31

Murder Hunt's Family. and how

47:33

his mother became so overprotective of the rest of her

47:35

children, always worried that

47:37

they too would

47:40

be killed. of

47:41

his older brother James who he looked up

47:44

to so much. Andy

47:45

said,

47:46

quote, my brother was

47:47

such a

47:50

good It was a type of person who would give you the shirt off his back

47:52

just so you'd have a

47:54

shirt. If they ever do catch the

47:56

person and the whole story

47:58

comes out, I know

47:59

it

47:59

will be hard for

48:01

me, but it's

48:02

even harder, not

48:03

knowing. To

48:05

close, here are

48:07

a few words. from a

48:10

detective of the Lancaster Police

48:12

Department. My

48:12

name is Robert Cornell. I'm a

48:14

detective with the title Lancaster Police Department

48:16

in New York. My department has still

48:19

actively investigating, yeah, Hamit by James Adamsky.

48:21

If anyone has any information

48:23

on this case, anything

48:25

would be helpful to our investigation. If

48:28

you could please call our police

48:30

department. There's an eleven

48:31

thousand dollar reward for information that

48:33

leads to an arrest and

48:35

indictment in this case. Anyone

48:37

with information is asked to contact

48:39

the Lancaster Police Department at

48:42

7166832800

48:48

You could buy a

48:49

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48:51

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48:54

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48:56

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48:58

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49:00

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49:02

Don't worry. You don't have to have knowledge

49:04

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49:06

listen. Now, let's jump into

49:08

this true spooky

49:10

tale. In

49:12

nineteen

49:14

ninety three,

49:15

an army sergeant named

49:17

Steven was notified that his wife was

49:19

in the hospital. At

49:20

the hospital, his wife confessed that

49:22

she was pregnant. Steven was like,

49:25

wait. I had a vasectomy, how can that

49:27

be? The wifey

49:28

eventually confessed that she had an

49:30

affair. Steven pressed

49:31

his wife to learn who she had

49:33

an affair with. the wife wouldn't give him

49:35

much information except to say the person's rank,

49:38

which was specialist. And once

49:40

she told her

49:42

husband that a guy she was

49:44

cheating on him with was a specialist. He didn't even bother waiting around

49:46

for the

49:47

name because Steven knew

49:48

exactly who it was. it

49:52

was his

49:53

best friend. So Steven then marched his

49:55

pissed off self off to the

49:57

military base and there he

49:59

began

49:59

to hunt

50:00

for his wife's lover. Mind you,

50:03

the wife had asked Steven for a

50:05

divorce, and even though he was hesitant

50:07

at first, he had finally said

50:09

yes before this incident.

50:11

Fast forward to

50:14

the military installation, which happens

50:15

to be in Germany, and Steven is

50:17

looking for his ex best

50:19

friend. finds specialist. The specialist name

50:22

is Greg, and Greg is in a foam

50:24

booth. The foam booth is in front

50:25

of the dining facility

50:27

during dinner time. So there are

50:29

plenty of people around. Greg doesn't

50:32

see Steve coming, and in fact, he's on

50:34

the phone with

50:36

Steven's wife. Eventually, he sees Steven and he tells the

50:38

woman, your husband is here, and

50:40

then the call

50:42

goes dead. At

50:44

the phone booth, Steven and Greg are fighting to the death.

50:46

Then all of a sudden, Greg

50:48

collapses. A circle

50:49

of onlookers

50:52

gather around. It looks like

50:54

Steven is whooping on Greg because

50:56

Greg is just laying there

50:57

while Steven keeps punching him.

50:59

But

50:59

Steve isn't punching him.

51:01

he's actually stabbing him.

51:04

Greg is laying their motionless,

51:06

and people are watching, and then

51:08

Steve starts to make some

51:10

sort of chopping motions with what eventually turns out to be

51:12

a knife. He gets up and

51:14

starts kicking Greg repeatedly

51:17

on the head. until the

51:19

head physically detaches from the body. Everyone

51:21

is now

51:22

watching in horror.

51:24

They are hiding

51:26

now

51:26

as Steven picks up the man's head.

51:28

He scuffs and says aloud.

51:30

That's what you get for

51:33

being an adulterer. Then

51:35

Steven drives off Greg's head and toe.

51:38

Minutes later, there is a commotion at

51:40

the hospital. A blood soaked

51:42

Steven walks into his wife's

51:44

hospital room, and grab

51:46

something from his bag.

51:48

It's Greg's head. He

51:50

places it down next to her and forces her

51:52

to look at it. And then he says, and

51:54

now you can picture this for the rest

51:56

of your life. Steven was immediately

51:58

arrested and it wasn't

51:59

hard to prove he

52:02

did it. There were dozens of eyewitnesses after all,

52:04

and Steven confessed to the doctors

52:06

in the hospital. Months

52:08

later at

52:10

his military Court Marshal, also known as a trial, he put on

52:12

the good soldier defense.

52:14

Evidence that he was the best thing since

52:16

sliced bread and he had

52:18

never, ever, ever, ever, done

52:20

anything wrong in his

52:22

life. Ultimately, Steven was

52:24

convicted of

52:26

killing Greg and was sentenced to life in prison.

52:28

But the army general in

52:30

charge of this court martial ended up

52:32

reducing Steven's sentence to

52:34

thirty

52:35

the year is years. Needless

52:36

to say, this former soldier served less than

52:38

thirty years due to

52:39

good time and was

52:42

released.

52:43

Crazy story right. Betu

52:45

thought it was an urban legend,

52:47

but it's

52:48

not. I

52:52

don't even have a comment for that just

52:54

leave it. My friend of the

52:56

dystopian simulation radio are here

52:58

to share an underwater nightmare. that

53:01

takes place on the floor of a cave that

53:03

has taken several lives in

53:06

its time.

53:26

and

53:26

nineteen ninety six expert cave diver, Nuno Gomez

53:29

of New York City, was awarded

53:31

a Guinness World Record for the

53:33

deepest dive in Bushman's Hall

53:36

a cave in South Africa. Gomes descended

53:38

over two hundred and seventy meters

53:40

down to the depths of the cave.

53:43

where it took only fourteen minutes to plunge into

53:46

the darkest depths of what the

53:48

locals call Bussman's hat,

53:50

where he spent just

53:52

four minutes at the bottom in an

53:54

expedition that took a total of twelve plus hours to complete.

53:56

The lengthy stint factored

53:58

in a decompression

54:00

schedule to stave off the

54:02

bends. A

54:03

painful decompression sickness that can

54:06

cause pain, paralysis, and

54:08

death if a diver ascends

54:10

you quickly. Nuno Gomez

54:12

made it

54:12

out from the deepest depths of

54:15

the Bushman's cave with

54:17

his life intact. but

54:20

the same could not be said to those before

54:23

and after him. Bolzmann

54:25

Gert claimed the

54:28

life of Evan Linden in nineteen ninety three

54:30

after Leiden passed

54:31

out descending sixty

54:34

meters.

54:36

The cave also took

54:37

the life of Deandre, who

54:39

was only twenty years

54:42

old when he blacked out. In the

54:44

Bushman's cave,

54:46

while doing an air dive.

54:48

He died at

54:49

around seventy meters.

54:52

His

54:52

body sinking

54:54

two hundred and seventy meters to the bottom where

54:56

it would remain for a

55:00

decade. David Shaw was a

55:01

technical diver, pilot

55:04

father and husband, and lover of all things extreme. His

55:07

wife, Anne,

55:08

knew that there was

55:11

always a risk that Dave may not return from

55:13

his adventures. But knew how passionately was about his

55:16

endeavors and it never dreamed of

55:18

denying him

55:20

of them. David had some close calls in the

55:22

past, but he always believed that God

55:24

was watching over him. He

55:26

was constantly testing

55:28

his limits and pushing the

55:30

boundaries to see how far he could

55:32

go. David began scuba

55:34

diving in his early forties. He enjoyed

55:36

it right away, but it wasn't challenging enough.

55:39

and soon he began pursuing more

55:41

technical dives. This is

55:43

where Dave became interested in

55:46

cave diving.

55:47

In order to

55:48

dive deeper for

55:51

longer, divers use rebrivers,

55:53

a specialist diving

55:56

apparatus. that recycles the air. David

55:58

Shore purchased his own re

56:00

breather but felt limited by

56:02

what the equipment had to offer.

56:05

so he made some

56:07

edits of his own that would allow him

56:09

to descend even

56:12

deeper. Dave had always

56:14

been interested in exploring

56:16

untouched pockets of the

56:18

earth, of which few remain. and

56:21

he believed cave diving

56:24

offered unexplored territory that

56:26

he could be the first to see.

56:29

Buchman's Hall, a

56:32

submerged freshwater cave in

56:34

northern Cape,

56:36

South Africa, West of Johannesburg called

56:38

Dave's name. And on

56:40

October twenty eight, two

56:42

thousand four,

56:44

he completed a record breaking

56:46

dive of two hundred

56:49

and seventy meters. To enter

56:51

the cave, a diver must first

56:53

climb down rocks before connecting with

56:55

the water below and descend into

56:58

a narrow tube that widens as

57:00

it goes deeper. The main

57:02

part of the cave is around sixty

57:04

meters down, and a rope attached to the

57:06

ceiling of the main cave guides the

57:08

diver through the cavernous

57:10

black abyss. Without the

57:12

rope, a diver would find themselves

57:14

disoriented with nothing but

57:16

darkness in every direction. Diapers

57:19

carry powerful lights for this reason, strong light

57:21

beams

57:21

cutting through the void, alerting

57:23

other divers on the mission

57:25

of their presence.

57:27

When David resurfaced, he

57:28

said he had spotted the body

57:31

of Deandre, whose body had

57:33

been suspended two hundred and

57:35

seventy meters down, in

57:36

the cave for an entire decade. David

57:38

described turning his head

57:39

to the left while on the cave

57:41

floor where he found himself face to

57:43

face with Deandre

57:46

his face still covered with a mask. Dave

57:48

added that at that depth, he

57:50

struggled to breathe and knew

57:53

he had to resurface. David

57:56

Schall felt compelled to retrieve the

57:58

Andrea's body. Not only

57:59

had he seen it during his dive,

58:02

the image of which had played on his mind

58:04

since resurfacing, But he had even experienced a premonition

58:06

of finding Dion's body in a

58:08

dream he had just a couple of

58:10

days before

58:12

the dive. David, a father

58:14

himself, went

58:15

to Dion dryer's

58:18

parents and

58:20

told them of his plans to retrieve their son's

58:22

body. They were ecstatic

58:24

at the news, and it always

58:26

wanted their son's remains back

58:30

on dry land, so they could honor his memory

58:32

and lay him to rest.

58:36

Dion's body had been in

58:38

the cave for so

58:40

long that it was assumed that

58:42

his remains would be skeletal.

58:45

To prevent the

58:47

bones from slipping out of his diving

58:49

suit and dispersing in all directions,

58:51

it was agreed David

58:53

would carefully put

58:56

the remains into a customized body bag that he

58:58

would take down with

59:00

him. At that depth,

59:04

David Shore would have a maximum

59:06

of five minutes to load Dion's skeletal remains

59:08

into the bag. This

59:12

included cutting the dive suit off body.

59:15

Always pushing the

59:17

limits, David decided that

59:19

he wanted to salvage Deon's

59:22

equipment, which was lodged on

59:24

the cave floor. He

59:26

planned to tie a separate rope

59:29

to the with the hope of excavating

59:31

it and dragging it to the

59:34

surface. Within

59:36

two months,

59:36

David Shaw returned

59:38

to South Africa prepared to retrieve

59:40

Dion's body. On January eighth

59:42

of two thousand and five, with

59:44

a camera mounted to his helmet,

59:46

David descended into Bushman's cave for what would tragically

59:49

be his final dive. With

59:51

a camera mounted to his

59:53

helmet to film the dive, And

59:55

De Andrea's family waiting patiently at

59:58

the surface of the cave to receive his

59:59

remains, David plunged

1:00:01

into the water

1:00:03

Factoring in the lengthy

1:00:06

ascent for adequate decompression to

1:00:08

avoid the bends, David will be

1:00:10

in

1:00:10

the water for approximately twelve

1:00:12

hours. with twelve minutes

1:00:14

to dive to the bottom, and a mere

1:00:16

five minutes spent preparing Dion's remains

1:00:19

for excavation. Dion's body

1:00:20

was expected to break the

1:00:23

surface around one point five hours

1:00:25

into the dive, but this

1:00:26

would not be the case.

1:00:28

At

1:00:29

six fifteen AM, David

1:00:31

plunged into the

1:00:33

darkness, never to resurface

1:00:35

alive. The

1:00:37

mission was supported by

1:00:39

a team of thirty, including two

1:00:42

world renowned support divers

1:00:44

and others meeting him

1:00:47

along the way at various depths of the

1:00:50

dive. One of the team

1:00:52

divers, Don Shirley, waited

1:00:54

at a depth of two

1:00:57

hundred and twenty meters, waiting for David

1:00:59

to meet him. But when

1:01:01

he looked below, he

1:01:03

could see no sign

1:01:06

of movement. Just

1:01:08

a still spotlight. Static

1:01:12

on the cave floor. unmoving.

1:01:15

The diver descended to

1:01:18

assist David, but the

1:01:20

handset

1:01:20

on his wrist cracked under

1:01:23

the pressure

1:01:24

before surpassing two hundred

1:01:27

and forty meters. And he

1:01:29

made the decision to return

1:01:31

to the surface David Shore

1:01:34

died attempting to retrieve

1:01:37

Dion Dryer's body. When

1:01:40

the team pulled

1:01:41

up the line, they found Deandre's body attached

1:01:43

to it, as well as the

1:01:45

body of David Shaw.

1:01:48

with the camera still attached to his dive helmet.

1:01:50

Although he had lost his life,

1:01:52

he had completed his mission

1:01:55

of salvaging Dion's remains from

1:01:57

the cave floor. When the

1:01:58

team reviewed the

1:01:59

footage, they watched David

1:02:02

Shaw's

1:02:03

last moments alive. The

1:02:07

video showed

1:02:10

David

1:02:10

Schorr on

1:02:12

the cave floor. His hands pale

1:02:14

white in front of him pulling out

1:02:17

the body back. Although it

1:02:19

was a human that after ten

1:02:21

years, Dion's body would have

1:02:23

been skeletal. The body

1:02:26

instead seemed to be in a

1:02:28

more preserved state. almost

1:02:30

a state of mummification

1:02:33

with buoyancy. Dion's

1:02:35

body unexpectedly up

1:02:38

before David, making the task of getting

1:02:40

it into the body bag

1:02:43

more difficult. In the

1:02:45

footage, David becomes tangled the

1:02:48

line, a rope wrapping

1:02:50

around his torch and

1:02:52

arms, making the job

1:02:54

almost impossible.

1:02:57

David attempts to cut himself free

1:02:59

from the tango with his scissors,

1:03:01

but misses the rope multiple

1:03:04

times, struggling and

1:03:06

slipping backwards on the

1:03:08

sloped cave floor.

1:03:10

His breathing becomes laborious

1:03:13

and his hands touch shaking. When

1:03:15

it was time to leave, David knew

1:03:18

this and attempted to

1:03:20

swim up. that he was

1:03:22

tangled in the ropes,

1:03:24

unable to

1:03:26

free himself.

1:03:31

The

1:03:33

increased breathing caused by

1:03:36

David's struggle produced significantly

1:03:38

more CO2. eventually depriving him of

1:03:41

oxygen and causing

1:03:42

him to drift off.

1:03:44

His

1:03:44

light still hanging as he

1:03:48

floated unconscious. The final scene of David's life showed

1:03:50

his hands motionless. The

1:03:52

line he failed to cut wound loosely

1:03:55

between his fingers Despite meticulous

1:03:58

planning,

1:03:58

David died alone on the

1:04:00

cave

1:04:00

floor. His teammates

1:04:02

helpless and

1:04:05

unable to save him, forced to look down at his

1:04:07

light, unmoving, and

1:04:10

still.

1:04:10

Maybe

1:04:14

our

1:04:17

Christmas special

1:04:18

can take place at that cave.

1:04:21

Whitney

1:04:21

and Melissa are the hosts

1:04:23

of cult crimes in

1:04:25

Cabernet. Four times

1:04:27

a year they travel to

1:04:29

locations to help the family members of the murdered and missing.

1:04:31

I'll let them take it over

1:04:33

from here. Mount

1:04:34

Pleasant, Michigan is a city

1:04:36

located in the heart of the

1:04:39

state. If you need a visual and

1:04:41

are aware of how Michigan looks

1:04:43

like a mitten, Mount Pleasant

1:04:45

is a right smack dab in

1:04:47

the center of the

1:04:49

calm. It has a population of just

1:04:52

under twenty two thousand,

1:04:54

the main campus of

1:04:56

Central Michigan

1:04:58

University, calls Mount Pleasant home. It is truly

1:05:00

a college town. As when

1:05:02

school is in session, the

1:05:06

population almost doubles in size. Mount

1:05:08

Pleasant is also home

1:05:10

to the Christ's community

1:05:12

fellowship. This is a very

1:05:14

small church

1:05:16

so small that the congregation was of

1:05:18

about fourteen people at its height.

1:05:21

It was led by

1:05:23

pastor John d White

1:05:26

who came with a past. White

1:05:29

was a veteran

1:05:30

of the navy and also had worked

1:05:32

as a long haul truck driver in his

1:05:36

early years. Before becoming head of the fellowship, he lived in Battle Creek,

1:05:38

Michigan, which is a little over a

1:05:40

hundred miles south of

1:05:42

Mount Pleasant. In

1:05:44

nineteen eighty is where our first report of

1:05:46

violent behavior really begins. White

1:05:48

was twenty two years old when he

1:05:50

invited his seventeen year old neighbor Teresa

1:05:54

Etherton over to show her his stock

1:05:56

car race track setup.

1:05:58

Teresa walked down into the basement

1:06:01

where white attacked her and

1:06:03

stabbed her fifteen times before

1:06:05

choking her. Teresa remembers

1:06:07

white's hands around her neck

1:06:09

and saying, quote, you're going to

1:06:11

go now. I'm really sorry you had to go like this, but what the You're just

1:06:14

a woman.

1:06:15

Teresa is obviously

1:06:17

a badass in

1:06:20

survived

1:06:20

the attack, and White was arrested

1:06:22

after Teresa reported him to police.

1:06:25

He plead no

1:06:28

contest and in nineteen eighty one, he was sent to prison

1:06:30

for ten years. After

1:06:33

being incarcerated for two

1:06:35

years, he appealed and was released.

1:06:38

Teresa did not hear of its release

1:06:40

until one day, while standing in

1:06:42

line at its store, she

1:06:44

heard his voice

1:06:46

and turned around to see white

1:06:48

smiling at her.

1:06:50

This was

1:06:51

the first time

1:06:54

system failed a victim of

1:06:56

John Whites, while leaving him

1:06:58

free to hurt

1:07:00

more people. There is a gap

1:07:02

in White's criminal history after he

1:07:04

was released in the mid eighties. He

1:07:06

wasn't connected with any crimes until

1:07:08

July of nineteen

1:07:10

ninety four. White had gotten married, had one kid with

1:07:12

one on the way, and they were living

1:07:14

near Kalamazoo, Michigan at

1:07:16

the time. White was

1:07:18

working maintenance at a textile

1:07:20

facility where he met a twenty six year old

1:07:22

woman named Vicki Sue Wall. The

1:07:24

two struck up

1:07:26

an affair and the evening of July eleven nineteen ninety four,

1:07:28

surveillance footage confirmed that the two

1:07:30

met in the Meijer grocery store on

1:07:32

GOL Road. Vicky

1:07:34

got into the black pickup truck with John at around three

1:07:36

AM and the two left the lot, and

1:07:38

Vicky

1:07:39

was not seen again. She

1:07:41

was reported missing, and police would call

1:07:43

White Inn

1:07:43

for questioning. He

1:07:45

told the police that the two were

1:07:47

having an affair, that they did meet at the

1:07:49

Myers parking lot and that he returned

1:07:51

was evidence to hold him on any

1:07:53

charges, so he was free to

1:07:55

go after questioning.

1:07:57

White

1:07:57

checked himself into the

1:07:59

Kalamazoo regional psychiatric hospital

1:08:02

not long after Vicky went missing.

1:08:05

Six weeks after Vicki

1:08:08

was lassing alive, her body was

1:08:10

found just two miles

1:08:12

away from that Myers'

1:08:14

grocery store. This

1:08:14

was in a rural area. She was found naked except

1:08:16

for a shirt and a bra that

1:08:18

had been wrapped around her neck. Her

1:08:23

body was very decomposed. The medical examiner

1:08:25

could not determine the cause

1:08:28

of death and

1:08:30

very little evidence was

1:08:32

found. White

1:08:32

refused to speak with police again and would

1:08:34

not take a lie detector test. His

1:08:38

pickup

1:08:38

truck was searched And

1:08:41

with the help of Luminal, blood

1:08:43

was found in several areas. In early

1:08:46

September nineteen ninety four,

1:08:49

about a week after Vicki's body was

1:08:51

found, white would be arrested at the psychiatric hospital.

1:08:56

only having the blood evidence

1:08:58

inside white's pickup truck and very little other evidence first degree

1:09:01

murder charges wouldn't hold

1:09:03

up in court. White

1:09:06

pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter

1:09:09

and was sentenced

1:09:10

to eight to fifteen

1:09:13

years. John

1:09:13

claimed to love Vicki and that her death was

1:09:15

just an accident. While incarcerated,

1:09:18

John was seeing a

1:09:20

psychologist

1:09:20

He

1:09:23

told his doctor that he had murderous fantasies and was turned

1:09:26

on by necrophilia. He also

1:09:28

claimed to have learned that his fantasies

1:09:30

were wrong and that he was aware of

1:09:32

that and that he

1:09:34

had been reformed. When White was released on February eleventh two thousand and seven,

1:09:36

he was set

1:09:38

on being a man of

1:09:40

God. He

1:09:41

moved amount pleasant into a mobile home neighborhood about eleven miles west of town. He took on

1:09:44

the pastor role at the

1:09:46

Christ Community Fellowship Church where he

1:09:48

met and

1:09:51

fell in love with Sally Gay. The two would get

1:09:53

engaged and Sally moved in with him in the

1:09:55

neighborhood and her daughter Rebecca Gay and

1:09:57

her son lives just a

1:09:59

few

1:09:59

doors down.

1:10:00

The church knew of his

1:10:02

past, but believe in redemption and that John had been reformed. A

1:10:05

few weeks

1:10:05

before Halloween

1:10:07

in two thousand twelve, John's

1:10:11

fantasies started creeping back

1:10:13

in. On

1:10:14

Halloween Eve, was at

1:10:17

his home drinking heavily

1:10:19

when his urges overtook him. He walks

1:10:21

a few doors down to

1:10:23

Rebecca's trailer. In the

1:10:25

early morning hours, carrying a

1:10:27

rubber mallet and zip

1:10:29

ties. He entered

1:10:31

her home and hit her

1:10:33

in the head repeatedly. until

1:10:35

she was unconscious. He then took

1:10:37

a zip tie,

1:10:38

placed it around her

1:10:40

neck, and tightened it,

1:10:43

strangling her to death. Rebecca's three

1:10:44

year old son was sleeping in the

1:10:46

next

1:10:46

room. John then took the rubber mallet,

1:10:48

towels he used

1:10:50

to

1:10:50

clean up the mess with,

1:10:52

and placed all of it in trash

1:10:54

bags with Rebecca's body. He loaded it into his pickup. He took her body about

1:10:56

a mile from her home and disposed

1:10:58

of it in a ditch behind a tree

1:11:00

line.

1:11:02

John then returned to Rebecca's

1:11:04

home and cared for her

1:11:06

son Conway, as he had

1:11:09

before. He dressed him in his

1:11:11

Halloween costume and met his father in a grocery store parking lot exchange custody. when

1:11:17

Rebecca didn't show up for work on

1:11:19

Halloween, her coworkers became concerned and reported her

1:11:23

missing. congregation pleading for

1:11:25

prayers

1:11:26

for her to be found.

1:11:29

The very

1:11:31

next day while being questioned, John admitted to murdering

1:11:33

Rebecca and told police where they

1:11:35

could find her

1:11:38

body. He claimed his motive was his fantasies

1:11:40

fueled by the necrophilia pornographic material that

1:11:42

he had been watching for weeks

1:11:45

leading up. He couldn't remember if he

1:11:47

sexually assaulted Rebecca after her death or not, but she was found nude. He admitted to

1:11:49

taking her car to a

1:11:52

bar nearby called

1:11:54

the barn door to stage her disappearance as

1:11:57

a kidnapping. His confession was

1:11:59

not the

1:11:59

only nail in his coffin.

1:12:02

Authorities were able to find Rebecca's blood

1:12:04

and her necklace inside of his truck.

1:12:06

Fingerprints and DNA all tied back to

1:12:08

John as well. He was not

1:12:10

clean or meticulous in any way when committing this murder. This time, the justice

1:12:13

system did

1:12:16

not fail. Authorities were

1:12:18

prepared to put him away for good. In April of two thousand thirteen,

1:12:23

White was sentence to fifty

1:12:25

six years in prison at the time he was fifty five years

1:12:28

old. John

1:12:28

only lasted a

1:12:30

few months in prison

1:12:33

And on August twenty eighth of

1:12:35

two thousand thirteen, he was found hanging in his prison cell from self

1:12:40

inflicted asphyxiation. Revival

1:12:42

attempts were made

1:12:45

but unsuccessful. Do you think

1:12:47

Whitney

1:12:47

and Melissa give

1:12:50

listeners free cabernet, we should find out. My friend Emily is coming to the Camp Fire next.

1:12:53

Her podcast

1:12:56

is morbidology, where

1:12:58

she covers a new crime case each week, taking

1:13:00

an in-depth look at any systemic failures

1:13:02

that may have had a part to

1:13:04

play and the crime. Now let's

1:13:06

travel back in time to August of nineteen ninety two to Baton Rouge, Louisiana,

1:13:10

where our crime takes

1:13:13

place. Yoshi

1:13:14

Hiro Hutore was a sixteen

1:13:17

year old Japanese

1:13:20

exchange student

1:13:20

seat and Moved

1:13:22

him with the Haymaker family. He was affectionately known by his friends and family as

1:13:24

Yoshi.

1:13:27

they has yoshi

1:13:29

Yoshi

1:13:29

was the third exchange

1:13:31

student that the Haymakers had hosted and the sack from Japan.

1:13:33

Yoshi settled

1:13:35

in perfectly.

1:13:38

enjoyed

1:13:38

fishing with the family,

1:13:40

and he

1:13:40

always made sure to help

1:13:42

out with his share of the

1:13:44

chores.

1:13:44

Brian Haymaker stated He was

1:13:47

throwing his heart into everything. He was

1:13:49

making friends. He was

1:13:51

adventurous. He was

1:13:52

having trouble with English, but

1:13:54

he was going on

1:13:56

anyway. When Yoshi came to America, he

1:13:58

was enrolled at McKinley High School, where he was known

1:14:00

high school as a

1:14:04

fun loving and conscientious student. He almost always had

1:14:06

a smile on his face. His classmates

1:14:08

said that he could

1:14:11

always make them laugh especially when

1:14:13

he randomly broke into a western dance

1:14:15

step. As his friend, Mondolin Phoned,

1:14:17

said, no matter who was

1:14:19

rude to him, he was raised to him

1:14:22

No matter what happened, you always had

1:14:24

a smile on his

1:14:26

face. In fall

1:14:27

of nineteen ninety two, Halloween

1:14:30

was fast approaching, and Yoshi, could hardly

1:14:32

wait for his first Halloween

1:14:34

in the United

1:14:36

States. He and Webb, who

1:14:38

is the Teenage Son of The

1:14:40

Haymakers, have been invited to a

1:14:42

Halloween

1:14:42

party, which was being held on the seventeenth of October.

1:14:47

Yoshi had

1:14:47

already picked out the perfect costume for somebody

1:14:49

who was known for their

1:14:51

impromptu dances. He was

1:14:53

dressing up

1:14:54

as John Travolta in Saturday

1:14:56

night fever. Donning

1:14:57

a

1:14:58

Tuxedo and white jacket and topped off with some jewelry

1:15:03

around his neck. Where wasn't

1:15:05

as excited as Yoshi and he opted out of wearing a costume

1:15:07

that night. The Halloween

1:15:10

party

1:15:11

was being held

1:15:13

at

1:15:13

the host family of another

1:15:15

Japanese exchange student. The purpose of the was for exchange

1:15:17

students to get to no

1:15:19

other exchange students.

1:15:22

the incident so that they could share their experiences

1:15:24

and

1:15:24

make new friends.

1:15:27

When Yoshi

1:15:28

and Webb arrived in the

1:15:31

neighborhood, They went up

1:15:31

to 10311 East Brookside

1:15:34

Drive. The home was

1:15:36

adorned with

1:15:37

all the Halloween decorations

1:15:39

one would expect.

1:15:40

for a Halloween party.

1:15:42

But Yossi and Webb were unfortunately at the wrong home.

1:15:44

They had transposed

1:15:46

two numbers

1:15:47

in the address of the

1:15:50

home where the party was being held and

1:15:52

ended up

1:15:53

at 10311

1:15:55

instead of 10131

1:15:58

The hoist belonged to Rodney Pierce

1:16:00

and his wife Bonnie. Yoshi

1:16:02

Webb approached the front

1:16:05

doorstep and knocked on the

1:16:07

door. Bonnie opened it up, screamed, and

1:16:09

then slammed

1:16:10

it closed.

1:16:13

She

1:16:13

holler to rodney, to go

1:16:15

and get his gun. When Yoshi and Webb realized

1:16:17

that they

1:16:18

must have been at the wrong

1:16:20

home, they turned around

1:16:22

to

1:16:22

walk back towards their car.

1:16:25

in

1:16:25

pursuit of the correct home. As they were

1:16:27

standing on the footpath outside the home, trying

1:16:28

to figure out

1:16:31

their

1:16:31

next move.

1:16:34

Rolke appeared at the door beside the

1:16:36

carport. He was armed with

1:16:38

a forty four magnum revolver.

1:16:41

He

1:16:42

shouted at the teenagers to freeze. But

1:16:44

Yoshi, who

1:16:45

was just

1:16:46

learning English, didn't understand

1:16:49

what this

1:16:51

command meant. Yoshi shouted out,

1:16:52

we're here for the party

1:16:53

as he proceeded to walk

1:16:55

towards Rodney. While

1:16:58

it isn't noon for

1:17:00

sure, There's every chance that

1:17:02

Yoshi thought that the gum was a prop. Part of the Halloween party,

1:17:05

when

1:17:07

Yoshi didn't freeze,

1:17:09

Rodney fired

1:17:10

his gun point blank at him before rolling back inside.

1:17:12

Yoshi crumbled

1:17:15

at the ground, as

1:17:18

Webb ran to the home next door,

1:17:20

screaming for help. The

1:17:22

neighbor, soundly lucky,

1:17:24

immediately

1:17:25

called an ambulance and then

1:17:27

bolted outside to try and

1:17:29

assist Yoshi. It

1:17:30

lay critically injured outside

1:17:33

Rodney's home. Neither Rodney

1:17:35

Nor, his wife offered

1:17:37

any assistance. They

1:17:39

stood inside

1:17:40

their home

1:17:41

peering out the

1:17:43

window. even shouting

1:17:43

at StarLeigh to go away when he

1:17:45

came to help Yoshi. Web

1:17:47

and StarLeigh

1:17:49

attempted to

1:17:52

comfort Yoshi who was pleading heavily.

1:17:53

They held his hand as he sobbed. Both Rodney and Bonnie stayed

1:17:56

inside their

1:17:56

home until police

1:17:59

descended on

1:17:59

the scene.

1:18:01

Though

1:18:02

she was bundled into an

1:18:04

ambulance. But

1:18:04

tragically, he died on route to hospital.

1:18:06

He'd been shot once in the chest.

1:18:08

shot once in the chest

1:18:10

The

1:18:11

bullet had perforated his last lung and then

1:18:13

exited out his back.

1:18:16

As news of the sense of

1:18:18

the shooting swept a across the city like wildfire.

1:18:20

Many people were left wondering how

1:18:22

something so tragic could have transpired.

1:18:24

could have transpired Poly

1:18:26

Haymaker, whose family

1:18:28

was hosting Yoshi, said that

1:18:30

if Rodney had in fact

1:18:32

shouted

1:18:32

freeze at Yoshi, He wouldn't

1:18:34

have understood what it meant.

1:18:36

As Hollie said,

1:18:39

Yoshi struggled with English. Only

1:18:42

was taken into custody, but

1:18:44

he wasn't arrested. But Connor,

1:18:45

of the east baton Rouge, Paris

1:18:47

Sheriff's Department said,

1:18:50

There was no criminal intent on Rodney's

1:18:52

part and stated that

1:18:53

he was well within his rights

1:18:55

to shoot Yoshi.

1:18:57

The case was then turned over

1:18:59

to the district attorney's office for a decision to be made on any action

1:19:03

would be taken. would

1:19:05

be determined that Rodney would

1:19:08

be fiercing a grand jury investigation. Just the day

1:19:10

after the shooting, all of Japan's national television networks

1:19:15

offered a lesson in English as the anchors explained

1:19:17

by the

1:19:18

word phrase could be used

1:19:20

to mean,

1:19:21

don't move

1:19:22

or I'll shoot you.

1:19:25

The shooting broke

1:19:26

headlines in Japan were the shooting of antibodies. In particular, teenagers

1:19:30

in particular teenagers were

1:19:32

extremely rare, In fact,

1:19:34

officials of both the government

1:19:35

understood and sponsoring programs said that

1:19:37

they never even thought that

1:19:39

it

1:19:39

would be necessary

1:19:42

To

1:19:42

teach high school students how to deal

1:19:45

with possible gun

1:19:47

attacks. At the time,

1:19:49

tensions between America and

1:19:51

Japan were high. and the shooting

1:19:53

only amplified the tension with a lot of people saying that the shooting

1:19:55

had reflected, a decline

1:19:59

in

1:19:59

American society.

1:20:01

As

1:20:02

one TV reporter said, America, what a country? You can't

1:20:03

even walk around

1:20:04

america

1:20:05

outside

1:20:06

and be safe.

1:20:09

Many people

1:20:10

live in fear all the time over there. On the twentieth of October,

1:20:13

a

1:20:14

memorial service was

1:20:16

held at the

1:20:18

unitary in Church of Baton Rouge,

1:20:20

where around three hundred mourners packed

1:20:23

in. During the emotional service, Yoshi's

1:20:26

mother, Mako Hatori, said that she and her husband felt sympathy for Rodney.

1:20:28

Turning to the

1:20:31

crowd, she said,

1:20:32

learning to the cried she said

1:20:34

We are sorry in our awareness of mister

1:20:37

Pierce's suffering from this

1:20:39

most unfortunate event. She

1:20:41

went on to say that she

1:20:44

was perplexed by how easily accessible guns

1:20:46

are in America before steering, without them,

1:20:48

Mister Pierce wouldn't have been put in

1:20:50

the position he's in right now. Her words prompted a standing ovation from the mourners.

1:20:53

As it

1:20:54

highlighted,

1:20:55

her true compassion even

1:20:57

in the face of adversity. Holly Haymaker also spoke. During

1:20:59

the service, she recollected her on the

1:21:01

first day that Yoshi

1:21:03

entered her home he

1:21:06

bit his arms around her and called her mom.

1:21:08

She described how

1:21:09

he slaughtered right in with the family

1:21:12

and

1:21:12

became an integral

1:21:14

part almost immediately. She

1:21:15

told the mourners how Yoshi to keep his room tidy and he loved

1:21:17

dancing in the kitchen. Towards the end

1:21:19

of the

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service, Yoshi's father,

1:21:24

Masashi Atori, Thank the cried

1:21:26

for coming to bid farewell to his son. He'd left the world with much undone. He said that despite

1:21:30

their heartiac,

1:21:32

His

1:21:32

family were dedicated to the

1:21:34

mission you she had undertaken to make friends in America and strengthen the

1:21:37

ties between Japan and

1:21:39

the United States.

1:21:42

In a

1:21:42

news conference the following day, Rodney's

1:21:44

lawyer, Lewis Angle's fee, said

1:21:46

that Rodney felt great, regret over

1:21:48

what he had done. He said

1:21:50

that his client was not a criminal, but

1:21:52

a person who was afraid of becoming

1:21:54

the victim of a crime. He said

1:21:56

that

1:21:57

it was a dark night, and

1:21:58

Rodney hadn't realized that

1:21:59

Yoshi was dressed up for a

1:22:02

Halloween party. In early November, if

1:22:04

the ninth of the grand jury had

1:22:06

rejected the a second

1:22:07

degree murder charge and instead returned

1:22:09

to manslaughter indictment against

1:22:11

Rodney for shooting

1:22:14

Yoshi. Following

1:22:15

the decision, Rodney surrendered and his

1:22:17

lawyer annorns that he was expecting his

1:22:19

client to post bond.

1:22:21

Just the following day, Rodney posted a one hundred thousand dollar

1:22:23

property bond and was released from custody while

1:22:28

awaiting trial. He

1:22:30

pleaded not guilty to the

1:22:31

charge. Within a month of

1:22:33

the shooting, Japan collected over

1:22:35

eight hundred thousand signatures On

1:22:38

a petition, urging the United States

1:22:40

to adopt stricter gun control.

1:22:42

They presented

1:22:43

US ambassador

1:22:46

Michael Armikos with the petition who said that the petition

1:22:48

would make positive contribution to the

1:22:50

debate on gun control in America.

1:22:52

in america He also

1:22:54

said that he would transmit the petition to the White House. Rodney's trial would in May of

1:22:58

nineteen ninety

1:23:00

three. During opening

1:23:02

statements, defense Ongelsby said that Rodney shot Yoshi because he thought that he was protecting

1:23:04

his wife and three

1:23:07

children from an intruder.

1:23:11

Prosecutors Doug

1:23:11

Moreau asked the jurors not to judge Rodney

1:23:14

as a person, but judge's

1:23:15

conduct

1:23:16

on the night of

1:23:18

the shooting. He described Rodney as criminally Naglegent and

1:23:21

said that he should be convicted

1:23:23

of manslaughter. He said that after

1:23:25

Rodney

1:23:25

opened the door, after it

1:23:27

had been slammed, closed, by

1:23:29

Bonnie. Yoshi interpreted

1:23:30

this as an invitation to the party they had been searching for.

1:23:32

The jury would

1:23:35

hear a recorded

1:23:36

inter

1:23:37

you between Rodney and investigators. He detailed

1:23:39

how Bonnie told him to get his gun, and he didn't the detailed hi bonnie

1:23:41

told him to get it done

1:23:43

even question why.

1:23:46

He

1:23:46

said that when he went outside, he saw

1:23:48

Yoshi, who is wearing a white suit

1:23:50

and carrying something which turned out to

1:23:52

be a camera. He said

1:23:53

that Yoshi appeared to be laughing, but when he failed

1:23:55

to stop moving, he shot him.

1:23:56

He said that he was

1:23:57

protecting his family, but

1:23:59

when

1:23:59

he was

1:24:00

asked if he

1:24:02

knew what he was protecting them from, he

1:24:04

simply

1:24:05

said no.

1:24:06

Prosecutor Morreau argued during the

1:24:08

trial that the actions of the

1:24:10

couple were not reasonable. He said that

1:24:12

it hadn't

1:24:12

been rational for a man of six

1:24:15

feet two

1:24:15

inches tall. To

1:24:17

be afraid of a friendly, an unarmed

1:24:19

boy who weighed just one hundred and thirty

1:24:21

points. A boy who rang

1:24:23

the doorbell before walking away.

1:24:25

Yo, she had

1:24:26

an attempt to break in.

1:24:28

You

1:24:29

wasn't wearing a scary

1:24:31

mask. You wasn't armed. You're simply

1:24:31

looking for a Halloween

1:24:33

simpli working for a halloween party

1:24:35

party. Following all of

1:24:37

the testimony, the jury were sent away to deliberate.

1:24:39

Under the Louisiana Law, homicide can

1:24:41

be justified for a

1:24:43

number of reasons. including

1:24:46

what is known as

1:24:47

the Schütbergler law,

1:24:48

which allows people to

1:24:50

protect themselves

1:24:52

from intruders. It

1:24:53

took just three hours for

1:24:55

the jury to reach a verdict. If I'm broadly not guilty of manslaughter.

1:24:57

the find rodney not guilty of manslaughter

1:24:59

Many

1:25:00

in court applauded when

1:25:02

the four women annones the

1:25:03

verdict. Yoshi's parents said that they weren't

1:25:04

surprised, but

1:25:07

they

1:25:07

were disappointed.

1:25:10

Rodney

1:25:10

was later found to be liable

1:25:12

to Yoshi's parents for six hundred

1:25:14

and fifty thousand dollars in damages.

1:25:16

With

1:25:17

this money, Yoshi's parents funded two charities in

1:25:19

their son's name. Almost to fund US students

1:25:21

wanting to

1:25:24

visit Japan. while

1:25:25

the other was for gun

1:25:27

control. His

1:25:28

parents later presented

1:25:29

president Bill Clinton with a

1:25:31

petition signed by one point seven

1:25:34

million Japanese citizens calling for

1:25:36

stricter gun laws. They

1:25:38

became big supporters of the

1:25:40

Brady bill, which

1:25:42

mandated background checks and a five day waiting period for

1:25:44

the purchase of guns in

1:25:46

the United States. The

1:25:49

shooting of Yoshi truly

1:25:50

been instrumental in the passage of

1:25:53

the bill.

1:25:54

Following his

1:25:55

acquittal, Rodney Pierce claimed that

1:25:58

he would never own a

1:25:59

gun again. he admitted that

1:26:02

he had simply overreacted to his wife's fear. This overreaction

1:26:04

caused a teenage

1:26:05

boy in

1:26:07

the frontier of adulthood to

1:26:10

lose his life in the most terrifying

1:26:14

way, demostable.

1:26:16

So what do you

1:26:17

think? Should he have been

1:26:20

found guilty Mike Brown from Dark Poutine joins

1:26:22

us from north of the forty ninth parallel.

1:26:25

That's Canada if you didn't

1:26:27

know. Canadians are known for their politeness. But as Mike will

1:26:29

remind us, a recent sword attack

1:26:32

in Quebec City shows us

1:26:34

some Canadians have a dark side

1:26:37

two.

1:26:38

In that attack on Halloween night, a

1:26:40

man dressed

1:26:41

in what has

1:26:44

been to scribed

1:26:46

as medieval clothing, went on a slashing and stabbing spree with a razor sharp Japanese style

1:26:52

katana sword. After the attack,

1:26:54

two people were left dead, and another five were hospitalized, some with serious injuries,

1:26:56

and the attacker

1:26:59

had fled the scene. One

1:27:02

of the most notable buildings in Old Quebec City overlooking the picturesque River

1:27:04

is the historic and

1:27:06

posh Chateau Front Mac Hotel

1:27:11

Chateau Frontneck, a national historic site of Canada

1:27:13

since nineteen eighty one, first opened

1:27:15

for business in

1:27:18

eighteen ninety three. It was here at around ten

1:27:20

PM on October thirty first twenty

1:27:22

twenty that a black four door

1:27:24

Saturn was left motor

1:27:26

still running by its driver. twenty

1:27:28

four year old Carl Girard. Girard dressed in

1:27:31

black jogging pants, black leather boots, a short

1:27:33

sleeve Kimono, and

1:27:35

a black mask had his

1:27:37

sharpened seventy six point nine centimeter bladed katana sword in hand. He'd

1:27:39

left his home

1:27:43

in St. Therese Quebec, a suburb above Montréal,

1:27:45

in the afternoon, and had driven the two hundred and seventy kilometers to Quebec

1:27:48

City, with

1:27:50

murder on his mind. After exiting his vehicle, Gerard approached

1:27:52

his first victim. A twenty six

1:27:54

year old musician named Remy

1:27:59

Bellanger, Balange was out or

1:27:59

a leisurely stroll. He was listening to

1:28:01

a podcast and

1:28:02

stood to take a picture of

1:28:06

Chateau Frontini. when he noticed a man clad in black

1:28:08

advancing quickly toward him soared

1:28:10

above his head. Bellanger later

1:28:12

recalled thinking at first that

1:28:14

it was a Halloween reveler playing some kind

1:28:17

of joke to irritate him. But when the first blow landed,

1:28:19

hitting him in the head, he knew he

1:28:22

was in trouble. Balange put up his hand to defend himself and

1:28:24

his fingers were severed. He fell to

1:28:26

his knees as the attacker kept slashing

1:28:29

and stabbing at him. Remi Belanger managed to

1:28:31

pick up his fingers, got to his feet,

1:28:34

and fled toward the lobby of Chateau

1:28:36

Fronach, screaming for help in

1:28:38

both English and French. Remi Bellanger was later

1:28:39

treated for wounds to his skull,

1:28:42

neck, back, chest, arms, hands, and

1:28:46

hip.

1:28:46

A cellist, Remi was transferred to a hospital

1:28:48

in Montréal that specializes

1:28:50

in limb replacement. There, doctors

1:28:52

worked hard to save his hand

1:28:54

so he could play music again.

1:28:57

As Belanger ran away, Gerard did not pursue

1:28:59

him, but turned his attention

1:29:01

to fifty six

1:29:03

year old Francois Deschaine, He

1:29:07

was much beloved as the communications director for

1:29:09

the Musee National Day Bow

1:29:11

Arts du Quebec. He was

1:29:13

out for a slow

1:29:16

jog. Gerard frustrated by his failure

1:29:18

to kill Remy Belanger only moments before, made sure he succeeded this

1:29:20

time. He attacked

1:29:23

Duchenne from behind Hacking,

1:29:25

slashing, and stabbing. The defenseless man thirteen times in the neck