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the true account of an alaskan serial

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killer by wolves a gilmore

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higher dot com the des moines

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it is great he does a lot of the cases

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that are i've done already he analyzes

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the psychology behind the perpetrators

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and also we've got some court records that

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, my part of this story will be set in alaska

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mid seventies to meet ideas

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and back in the die alaska was a bit of

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a wild frontier in fact

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i'm pretty sure it's a wash his hands he

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now now was lots of mining oil

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drilling pot line building scene

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and logging going on now these

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industries they can attract a lot

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of blowing from other from

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at the services employees this also

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a huge demand for sex workers

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who also mind blowing and and of and

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area along with that there's

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a huge demand demand for

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drugs and alcohol so

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when people go missing it can be hard

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to tell if they just left town they've

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got lost in the wilderness or in the keiser

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ladies working the streets in clubs

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it's hard to tell if they just left

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town or something more sinister happen

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to most walk

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worked on a false names and with for

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me to stay making the search for them

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even more difficult now

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predators nineties and nineties will use

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this to prey on the victims like

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i said alaska was the modern

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day the frozen wild

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west robin

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hanson he knew it any

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will use it to his advantage in

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the end so who is who

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is or bob hanson it

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was born february the assistant nine thirty

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nine in as seville i was

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with the family briefly moving to california

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for settling in pocahontas

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in iowa he nine forty

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nine his father and a bakery in tandem

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while still at school bob

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was required to get up and help his father prefer

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to prepare the daily bread at

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about two o'clock in the morning then he left

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him falling asleep lighter in the day

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at class following ,

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his father's footsteps hansen was

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trained as a bike and he had a bit

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of a love hate relationship

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with his father describing him

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as very demanding and never

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satisfied with his work and

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this was despite the great effort

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put into place now

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bob wasn't a great look at he was a bit shy

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any had a stuff it's , combination

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of things that would have the girls he asked

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out rejected leading

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to be a bit of alone the

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really got into hunting and with sub

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proficiency answer now these

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things he could do on his own to help with

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this rejection and ,

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domineering saw us as him but the loneliness

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i read go out and just get

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out in the wilderness by himself there's

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a bow and arrow and i

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can sign up for the army reserve for a year

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and then moved into an assistant a drill

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instructor role at a police academy

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now , grand eye on you tube he

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reckons the but they sorted jobs

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a typical of serial killers so again

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sixty men on to you tube he not only

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analyzes criminals on his

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show he also does things like

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analyzing the soda things like

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dip an amber of it's it's really

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worth a listen anyway handsome

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would made his first wife c b patchett

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and get married in nineteen sixty

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on december seventh nineteen sixty three

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years after leaving school handsome

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leaving school have friends which was a young

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friend burned down the boss said

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at the school he went to he would get

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busted city see not and sixty one and

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gets three years in the men's reform

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and see risk of the maturities at

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animal he was paroled on

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my the first non and sixty three now

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his first wife the for steam

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as soon as he was convicted but

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when when released he marry again

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in nineteen sixty three to darla

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murray henriksen he would get

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busted several times that says before

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moving to anchorage alaska with darla

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in nineteen sixty seven and i'd

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end up having a couple of kids in

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alaska he was seen as a really nice guy

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by the community and he's hunting skills

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with a bow and arrow brought him a lot

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of respect on the walls of

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these house these had mounted heads

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of the animals the killed this

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collection was reasonably valuable and

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it because was ensure now

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i had a master's degree in education would

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become a teacher who was also

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an avid church go they

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are growing hansen didn't

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have any money or very very

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little money even though he was working for his

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father was still at school he

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would get a few cents in our free time even

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when even when all dot and had money in

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his pocket the would end up shoplifting

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this getting into trouble he

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just couldn't bring himself to spend

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what money he did have any

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in one instance he saw a chain

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saw her in the department store and wanted

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to get get it free spada now

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the saturday nov the third nodding

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seventy six while handsome was shopping in

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an anchorage department store a

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, security guard observed hansen

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acting suspiciously in

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the stores sporting goods six then

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we watch hansen place an old sales

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receipt and a chainsaw box and

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laid the store with it the god

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apprehended hansen in the store parking

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lot hansen said after he

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got busted i looked at them

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and remembered about five weeks previous

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my father and i'd been cutting wood for

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a fireplace and he's remarking three

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or four times how much you would like to have once

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my sides live in oregon and were visiting

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us before wastes so he

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wanted to have one to you when

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he and my mother go camping along

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the coast all my father that he

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would be more than welcome to take mine

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but he refused i thought of this

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and all the presence most parents to give me

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through the years and how wonderful it would be

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if i go to be muscle for christmas

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also thought of course that my wife

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and i just bought this summer a new

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home and put everything we'd side

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for more than nine knees into it i

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guess many guess many went through my

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mind as i looked at the source i

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wanted almost more than anything

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the place my father and could just

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imagine expression on his face on christmas

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day if i could given that saw

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a walked around the store some more and out the

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front door outside and

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ninety man had just had a heart attack

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the police fire department of paramedics

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with a given treatment my father

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sixty nine as had one heart

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attack and is very i've a white again

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i thought of this time so and how place

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he would be to receive it at christmas

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or whoop back into the store a guy

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the source i thought there was a young

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man watching me but then he seemed to disappear

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on the one box or picked up there was a

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sales receipts i guess this is when

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we first really seriously thought

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about pragma saw seem like

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nobody would now if i tied for the sore

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or not if i saw sales receipt

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on the box so and

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walked out the door when i was apprehended

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in arrested on know what i did

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was wrong and i'm very sorry

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the doing so haha

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i call bullshit on that one anyway

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when he would get busted this will be in the

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future he had all these long stories

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on have not israelis fall

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nice as these explanation

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on all that sort of stop handsome

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was thirty seven years old at the time and he

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would end up going inside

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for that says the reason the

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would do time for some the good thing as miners

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shoplifting is because he'd already

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been done for the polling day the

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school bus garage you nine sixty

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destroying three the seven buses inside

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plus the garage also

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he was charged with the attempted kidnapping

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and rape of rape young real

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estate secretary in anchorage in

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anchorage in one now around

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the same time as that attempted right

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it would also be charged with abducting

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and right been a sex worker he

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, do a plea deal with charges

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for raping the six worth would drop city

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pleaded guilty to the abduction and and

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attempted rape of the

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secretary now he would get

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five

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the but he would be ass

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in six months yes

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six months

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he basically told investigators that

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after picking up the six worker at a club

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see asking for money and he realized

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then that she was a sex worker not

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some girl he just picked up at the club

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and so then he just decided to drive back the

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club and it's you is making this

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story up that he writes

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they're police

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the leave hansen over

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the sex worker know this will be the first

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on this happens and it wasn't just

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the him this it happens all the time

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and back then there with

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anybody's word against that six with

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any white hansen's house was at 7223

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old harbor, avenue in anchorage

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look at that on maps, because

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it was quite important if you see

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where that is compared to some other

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places around a 2600

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square feet, or 243 m2

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house on almost a

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cup block, this property

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had a basement so i guess you know,

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it would go home with that handsome

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devised an insurance scam where he

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reported all of this trophy collection that

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he had on these walls and rugs that

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died but install comprised

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above bedrock a shaved

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head, which apparently it's a dull shape

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which the magical shape

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in a i [unk] mountains

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must be hard to get anyway

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the shape had shape wolverine haunt wolverine haunt

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hot a beaver hide and walrus

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tusks the climb was paid out by

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state farm insurance to the tune of

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thirteen thousand dollars and is held pants

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and finance a bakery and even

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even piper cub blind

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he kept a piper cub climb which is a

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tiny little plane at merrill field

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airport so if you find out where

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he lives on google maps metal field

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airport is not far away now

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it's funny when you look at google maps of merrill

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fielded it has all these

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light aircraft parked there it's

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just like a shopping center compaq

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i guess people use the small

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planes in alaska lot we used

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cars in in normal

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voice if i were used

12:49

the word know but they

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are guess it's all the wilderness people have little blinds

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is by them instead of four wheel drive

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this is get apply in it's easy to get some

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anyway it would fly this

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plane quite a bit a debate among we

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had no license and i guess

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that's another thing or spices is quite a slice

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you can just pick it up easy watches somebody else

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fly he's bakery

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now this is the third point to have a look on your google

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maps is located at eight hundred

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and twenty eight eight eighth ninth

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avenue all right so you got

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the google it's basically it's basically line

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it got his bakery in the middle

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is merrill airfield none the right hand side

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you'll see half the the

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seven star food mart is there now

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on the corner instead of his bike race as i

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six miles from his home

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right

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that a little bit of background get into the

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case a bit more ever said before

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people go missing in alaska to be for

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many reasons but , same

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sow from the encourage police the pump

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see now that in the very

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early eighties add of all these

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missing people and especially missing women

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the same to be some patent involved

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some patent disappearance

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but this one group in topless

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dancing

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that wasn't unusual for topless dancing to

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go missing and then turn up months later

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oh often guy to my be another city

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to work for a while and return

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or the just get outta town for a while

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some , the most it was still on this

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missing persons least they had

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one thing had one thy

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gone missing after telling their

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friends that were going out on a date

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with a guy that he know a

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pi day that was playing very

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good money maybe two or three

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hundred dollars and sometimes i

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told the friends with maybe for a photo shoot

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or just down to dinner with a guy or whatever

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but i went out they never came back

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now trying to get information is information

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out of their france was quite difficult after

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being reported missing by the boyfriend

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or pimp there working girlfriends

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that is working go friends with

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every reluctance cooperate with police

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even

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the cooperating

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with police

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would be helping them in the future i

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got so let's go over some of these

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missing that would eventually

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can update on ,

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the seventeenth nine ice workmen

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discovered the skeletal remains of a woman

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in a shallow grave of eq look

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know like road and

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that's about thirty miles as the crow

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flies north east of anchorage

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anchorage said eight and parts of the body but they

15:28

were closing and juri at the same

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an autopsy was performed stated the cause

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of death with a stab wound to the back

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the woman was petite with blonde hair even

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with facial reconstruction and media

15:41

relations showing her distinctive

15:43

jewelry see still unknown

15:45

to die and was given the nine it

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looked not and three

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of a long term missing women were

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ruled out to be excellent know any

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they were celia beth van zan

15:57

seven said he made an issue of on

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emmerich seventeen and mary

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kathleen fill twenty two who

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all went missing between december

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nineteen seventy one and july

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nineteen seventy five says

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that's how long time nearly

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a decade to have five

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years ten years before

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this body was found them

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not long after her body was discovered another

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would be fan in the north of sewage

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around a hundred and ten kilometers

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or seventy four seventy miles

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south of anchorage twenty four year

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old joanna saner a topless dancer

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had been missing since my nine eighty

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her body was found wrapped in wrapped moldy

16:38

sleeping bags and she had she had

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two two gunshot wound to

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her head the twenty four

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year old roxanne eighth when went missing

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like june and then forty one

16:49

year old lace of for thrill went missing

16:51

on the seventh of september nine id

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both walk the streets for money the

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making didn't stop it twenty

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five year all my lai lawson went

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missing on june nineteen eighty one

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twenty three year old sherry mara would

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go missing on the seventeenth of november

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eighty one twenty two year old

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andrea alter he missing on

17:12

december the second eighty one twenty

17:14

three year old sue luna [unk] missing may

17:16

the twenty six eighty two twenty

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year old tomorrow or tammy pedersen

17:21

missing august eighty two nineteen

17:24

year old robin pelkie missing

17:26

january eighty three twenty four

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year old angeles sedan missing

17:30

february eighty three twenty year

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old dell lena fray missing

17:35

april eighty three twenty one year

17:37

old poll a golden missing april

17:39

twenty fifth eighty three and twenty

17:41

two year old teresa watson missing

17:44

april twenty ninth ninety ninety three now

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added that last least a ten missing

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women sherry , body

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would be found in september nineteen eighty two

17:53

and a shallow grave on the bank of the

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river north of anc encourage

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seed banks not in the bag that there were no

18:01

bullet holes in her shit indicating

18:04

she'd be naked when shot and then

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regret investigators found

18:08

a two to three shell casing

18:11

and she was missing her gold arrowhead

18:13

pendant on her necklace on

18:15

the simple september non a ninety three

18:18

poll a goulding spotty would be fan

18:20

and another two to three shell casing

18:22

was fan knee her body will

18:24

not so much man near body was buried

18:26

within now they would be analyzed

18:28

and sounds from the same sound the bay

18:31

from the cia rifle linking

18:33

these two cases together nance

18:35

has before paul his body was found that

18:37

been another incident and this involves

18:40

hansen and that deserved that

18:42

bit of a looker on

18:44

june thirteen seventeen year old cindy

18:46

paulson a working go with saying

18:48

by passing motorists running half

18:50

my good man gop dahn the right

18:53

people live and drive and seventy by

18:55

marsh in now he's yeah

18:57

so reception god to be taken to a

18:59

boyfriend supply said the big team by

19:01

myself and that's just around the

19:03

corner now which got they

19:05

had they had ended up turning off the so cdc

19:08

still handcuffed and freaking out

19:11

i took off the cops and we're told

19:13

and seed organized a date with these guys

19:16

that as soon as she got a nice car

19:18

he handcuffed are in pulled a gun on he

19:21

then took a to his house right

19:23

and tortured her there was a nice

19:25

house well his basement she

19:28

, that the walls were covered with these

19:30

animal head se and he had

19:33

animal skin that's also

19:35

she saw clothes rack with my be seven

19:37

also dresses on it now see

19:39

started to wonder this guy

19:42

it's not the first time you've done these these

19:44

think i'm gonna die as she was wondering

19:46

if these dresses on these clothes

19:49

racks belong the other girls that other have

19:52

adopted and right she

19:54

felt and was gonna get murdered

19:56

he didn't china by the nick to uphold

19:59

and after

19:59

while we went to sleep he

20:02

woke up ended up putting are putting back

20:04

in back car he drives to merrill

20:06

field airport now

20:08

it's he that she's either

20:11

to escape she gets out

20:13

of his car what least loading up

20:15

his little piper cub arab side

20:18

putting the gone in and actually now

20:21

he chased acura but he gives

20:23

up winning east say that

20:25

she's being rescued by these passing motorist

20:28

so on a wider taking it to the hospital

20:31

cindy off if they could actually stop

20:33

so she could show them the plane her

20:35

attacker was lighting up like

20:37

up the details of the plane and they sound

20:39

was registered to robert hanssen

20:42

now a security guard that not it also

20:45

seen a guy running and then when he spotted

20:47

in this got stopped and started to walk

20:50

and he walked to the park com guardian

20:52

and driver the description

20:54

of her attacker also a matched

20:56

hansen's and the description of the cost

20:59

plus the registration plate taken

21:01

from the security guard max

21:03

hansen's com

21:05

i crash so they bring

21:07

in hansen phone interview

21:09

hey tell police the she's

21:11

why and then he'd been at a friend's

21:14

house repairing a seat free playing online

21:16

and then after that he went to another friend's

21:19

house and then he went straight

21:21

to the airport to install the seats they'd

21:23

been repairing satellites

21:25

, friends up and make them from he story

21:28

he was with also nods when he wasn't

21:30

with me was the other guy hansen

21:32

had hansen pretty good alibi

21:34

when police read guide always have

21:36

to check his house that they did

21:38

find some hidden gun

21:40

that not no one that she described

21:42

there were no track chainsaw the nothing

21:45

now cindy did pick hansen out

21:47

of a fight i line up and was able to describe

21:49

the inside of his south but this

21:51

only meant that she'd previously

21:53

been a nice has a didn't mean to is this

21:56

that nine and also

21:58

cindy cedric

21:59

the lie detector test he can

22:02

imagine why he that

22:04

see the sex worker that i really

22:06

like police she's already in the station

22:08

she's had this traumatic nights my want to put

22:10

on lie detector test so

22:13

when it came to him the blaming the well known

22:15

met family man that had a business

22:17

and sold the best died out since and will

22:19

the cops

22:20

the as an alibi over believing

22:23

a sex worker

22:24

well you know how that's gonna end up the

22:27

good cop greg biker food interviewed

22:30

cindy he actually did believe

22:32

this story but he would have to

22:34

let it go at least for the most

22:37

cindy then left him for a short walk

22:39

just probably let someone tried

22:41

murder me a just gonna just gonna go i

22:43

for a while the

22:45

women's bodies started turning up in the wilderness

22:48

he thought back about seen the and how

22:50

she was to be flown at hancock

22:53

the some way probably very remote and

22:55

inaccessible barbara

22:57

that's like

22:58

what seem to happens to these

23:01

the bodies of these women that have been found

23:03

earlier he

23:05

had died get the into the wilderness

23:08

you probably have to fly someone

23:11

though it's gonna tick tock tick tock he's

23:13

doing

23:15

now maybe

23:17

cindy was gonna be next and would

23:19

probably was gonna be next mit hansen's

23:22

with connected to these missing and murdered

23:24

dances the ones that were appearing

23:26

in the bush the task force

23:28

was being set up to investigate these missing

23:31

and murdered murdered dances that greg

23:33

pica with a local anchorage

23:35

cop and the cindy paulson place

23:37

was on hold so ,

23:40

guys everything he had all these evidence

23:42

the state troopers seats set up

23:44

this task force they'll rebel a check

23:46

out these robert hanssen guy a lot

23:48

closer my brought in f b

23:50

i profile was also to go over the

23:53

case now the f b i

23:55

said that the probable type

23:57

of person in this class was an outdoorsman

24:00

independent a business owner

24:02

had low self esteem because it was picking

24:05

up sex workers prose possibly

24:07

had a speech stay fit had a history

24:10

of our son was a bit of a misfit

24:12

like hunting and killing animals he

24:14

would also keep seventies of his victims

24:17

and when you look at it this describe

24:19

hansen right dance with say

24:22

acne

24:23

the why i said he had a speech impediment

24:25

that he started they needed more

24:28

to get a search warrant on his hands and go

24:30

subsequent interview is cindy paulson

24:33

brought to the investigate his attention

24:35

that the basement she was held in had

24:38

all these trophies and animal skin

24:40

rugs the description of days

24:42

match those that hansen and put

24:44

in an insurance crime previously

24:47

state farm insurance supplied fight as

24:49

before the theft and after

24:51

the theft at theft inside of his house

24:54

most important my they needed to get back

24:56

in he's half his time

24:58

he's car and also check out

25:00

these bakeries go the

25:03

new that little bit of this in a little bit of

25:05

that are able to get a search

25:07

warrant so they went to arresting

25:10

now robert hanssen sleeve was brought in

25:12

by state troopers they arrested

25:14

him at ease bakery on october twenty

25:16

seventh nineteen eighty three pants

25:19

and was taken down town for an interview

25:21

now the interview room and paul's files on

25:23

the desk which were labeled with nine

25:26

service friends and that was even one

25:28

for his wife darla with a fido of

25:30

around on the walls there was there was

25:32

with a red circle marked hansen

25:35

saying he then it is all set

25:37

up because too intimidating and hopefully

25:39

getting to realize he was pretty much

25:41

bastard and hopefully confess hansen

25:44

didn't even ask for a lawyer to be printed see

25:46

felt he could explain his way out of whatever

25:49

the investigators had to ask

25:52

the sort of people do they

25:54

think they're smarter than everyone else

25:57

now after going ivory lie for these criminal

26:00

my god does he know that several women

26:03

over the years that have gone to police

26:05

with similar story the stories

26:07

went along the lines of that he

26:10

picked up they sex workers and offer them

26:12

large sums of money but then things went

26:14

bad and he'd write them investigated

26:17

told him when my get a dozen

26:19

report cyber a dozen years from women

26:21

that have been with him reports have been pulling

26:23

guns on i'm being bound up that

26:26

doesn't look good that they with some

26:28

sort of pattern he they

26:30

them produce a photo of pull a goulding

26:33

and told him a two to three shell

26:35

have been found fired from his weapon

26:38

need the body he said it wasn't

26:40

a i told him that the

26:42

f b on arrival the match shell casing

26:44

the rifles and the bullet can be matched

26:46

as well now at this stage

26:48

this was this was and hansen

26:50

sort of seem to know how could

26:52

they have my rifle and have tested even

26:55

if i could find my rifle had

26:57

and i notice the we sort of like know

27:00

and i really believe his eyes

27:02

, investor guys asking about

27:04

bandages that he used read bad nice

27:07

pets and then told them that be had many

27:09

of these bandages the investigated

27:12

then showed pants and a photo of sherry

27:14

morrow and told him that she

27:16

was found shot dead another

27:18

two to three shell next to a

27:20

body will actually buried and

27:22

she had bandage around the rise just

27:25

like the bandages they use they

27:27

also said the showcasing mess the other one

27:29

from pull aside and it was barry

27:32

so justin foley hansen

27:34

still denied being involved now

27:37

at this time always get they investigated

27:40

police asserting his houses cars

27:42

plane and the bikers nothing was

27:44

found any cop like or the bakery

27:46

buddy's house ended up setting

27:49

up quite a lot items that would may looking

27:51

through there were guns were

27:54

guns if you listen to the book

27:56

of read the book

27:58

the man guns he had

27:59

the

27:59

absolutely incredible on a lot of them with stop

28:02

they also saw all these apparently

28:05

stolen fry fees and rugs that

28:07

was in the basin no initially

28:09

investigators spoke to him about these try

28:11

fees that he reported stolen but

28:14

with now back in his house hansen

28:16

tell them that i turned back up an easy on

28:19

one day but he forgot to tell the insurance company

28:22

hansen at this point any been interviewed

28:24

for couple hours at this stage ask

28:26

for an attorney the

28:28

cops by with fun i

28:30

ended up taking his blood saliva samples

28:33

spiders they process

28:35

him at the courthouse and they charged him with

28:37

the kidnapping and right as cindy

28:39

paulson for this i murder charges

28:42

at the moments i just haven't got enough

28:44

evidence to get paid but i don't want to let his god

28:47

back out in the spring many

28:49

investigators that hansen's have this is

28:51

light at nice paid yet to find any

28:53

of these weapons used in the shooting of sherry

28:56

and polling i finally

28:58

got upstairs the after

29:01

rummaging around riding one corner

29:03

dice and a remington for thought to rifle

29:06

twenty two caliber thompson

29:08

contender seven mil made a single

29:10

shop pissed an aviation

29:13

map with markets the

29:15

jury including a gold

29:17

arrowhead nicholas newspaper

29:20

clippings a winchester shotgun

29:22

and a mini fourteen ruger two to

29:24

three caliber rifle i

29:26

, found an eye the ice in map they

29:29

finally now thought they had enough evidence

29:32

to link hansen with these murders

29:35

the many fourteen would need to be analyzed

29:38

body fpr to come from he actually

29:40

was the weapon used to father two

29:42

to three shells founded the murder

29:44

saying

29:46

it's not funny i suppose that is funny they ended

29:48

up price seeing the rifle to the f b

29:51

i rather than someone personally

29:53

hiking it over to the if we i hate

29:55

quarters themselves by just

29:57

did this to say

29:59

money

30:00

well guess what i got lost in the mail for

30:02

nearly a week but then when

30:04

it was found luckily it was

30:06

found it was processed

30:08

and yet it matched the shelf

30:11

that were found john heading

30:13

that he'd given hansen an alibi the

30:16

not it's cindy was right he

30:18

ended up being approached by the investigators as

30:20

well well his

30:22

wife was surprised while he was away

30:24

and see got the phone or harper woods ghosts

30:27

said you better guy saw this thing out before

30:29

gets at a hands busy so the news

30:32

john a day sticking up for him washing

30:36

the the police for a snail when

30:38

john had given his alibi he was

30:40

under the impression it was some the

30:42

some minor sort of thing her hands in advance

30:45

maggie with a topless dance i got a traveler

30:47

some it's not as vicious attack

30:50

and that he was nabbing questions from other murders

30:52

he didn't figure was that bad

30:55

so is pretty quick that henning and these

30:57

other might retracted this statement

31:00

which now men handsome had no

31:02

alibi for the kidnapping unripe a cindy

31:05

paulson and cindy would be willing

31:07

to testify against answer also

31:10

the undies that cindy war the night she

31:12

was ripe plus a tampon she been wearing

31:15

of the science which tested and the results for

31:17

match to the blood type of hansen

31:19

that wasn't a day and i test what

31:22

we have now so isn't gonna be super

31:24

super accurate in determining

31:26

how it was but it was just another place

31:28

in the evidence towards convicting handsome

31:31

when the map by fanning hansen's addict was

31:33

looked at it was several x is

31:35

in fact twenty four x is marked elaborate

31:38

activities precisely match with polling

31:40

goulding and sherry mirage bodies were

31:42

found shop the more than

31:44

saying those two exes mom this

31:47

affected all over the man

31:49

what i say

31:50

this twenty four exes

31:53

investigators thought that he might be rude

31:55

now responsible for twenty four murders

31:58

and with these marty and

32:00

every different madison when

32:03

answer was why to presented with all this

32:05

new evidence he pretty much knew

32:07

he was done he could take climb

32:09

his innocence or try to get some control

32:11

back what suggesting a plea

32:13

deal now the deal he ended up

32:15

striking was for him to plead

32:18

guilty to the murders of sherry morrow

32:20

joanna messina the at

32:22

glue looting annie and

32:24

pull a goulding also he would plead

32:26

guilty to the kidnapping and right of sydney bulls

32:29

the also wanted as part of this deal

32:32

know media coverage or as

32:34

little as possible to protect

32:36

these family and in return

32:38

he would help investigators recover the

32:40

bodies of his victims now

32:42

he ended up confessing to murdering seventeen

32:45

women although it's thought he was responsible

32:48

for at least twenty one and this

32:50

was starting from the early seventies

32:53

the one april the twenty fourth sue

32:56

loon his body was recovered neither nick

32:58

river the same day much

33:00

my lai lawson's body was found

33:02

at the parking area by the old

33:04

nicht bridge on april

33:07

twenty fifth deleon fries

33:09

body was founded horseshoe like on

33:11

, twenty six teresa watson's

33:13

body was found the kenai peninsula peninsula

33:16

son homicide die angeles

33:19

sit ins body was found that figure eight

33:21

like on , twenty ninth

33:23

samira citizens body was found one

33:25

and a half miles from old nick bridge

33:28

and on my the ninth leases for trails

33:30

body was found south of

33:32

old nick bridge sadly

33:35

no other bodies were found hansen

33:38

ended up thing since the four hundred and sixty

33:40

one years without the possibility of parole

33:43

fans , dying august twenty first

33:45

twenty fourteen i'd seventy five

33:48

and alaska regional hospital in

33:50

anchorage anchorage pelkie

33:53

she was or on identified until twenty

33:55

twenty one she'd been named

33:57

horseshoe harriet now

33:59

at loon the any has yet to be identified

34:03

i can't spare you wondering how

34:05

did he get around his wife darla finding

34:07

out even half of what was

34:09

going on well she

34:11

knew he went out early as and he

34:13

needed to prepare for the day by to

34:16

you , he'd have to be there to i am so

34:19

you know if he's leaving at eleven o'clock at night she

34:21

knew that is probably a little bit early to guy six miles

34:23

down the right right sort

34:25

of thought he must be taking women

34:27

sussex she knew he was a

34:29

safe but the with see things had

34:31

stopped him from leaving one

34:33

she was a christian and thought maybe god

34:35

would sort this out but more importantly

34:38

she didn't want kids to go that far

34:41

he had no idea he was raping

34:43

and murdering women say is enough

34:45

understand sort of the side of also

34:48

it handsome would do a lot of this fall

34:51

on criminal activity where he

34:53

brought the women back home put him in

34:55

his basement when dollar in the

34:57

kids were visiting family so he used to

34:59

organize holidays for them

35:01

so that

35:02

p for awhile

35:04

hansen wouldn't tell investigators how

35:06

he'd picked up was dances or sex

35:08

workers aziz victims because he

35:10

was a respected businessman and

35:12

they were just prostitutes no

35:15

one would believe them over him if

35:17

i went to police after he writes them

35:20

and of course not all of them got

35:22

the chance he told investigators

35:24

some he would take on is financed of the

35:26

wilderness strict them tiny

35:29

hands and let them guys he would then

35:31

hunt them down or the stabbing or

35:33

shooting

35:34

this was more

35:36

the just for the thinks rights it was

35:39

more the thrill of the hunt and

35:41

by the way those dexter fans

35:43

as here since the character could cold

35:45

war was loosely based on robert

35:47

hanssen even though hansen

35:50

denied killing celia beth van

35:52

zan megan savant emery

35:55

mary kathleen kill he

35:57

went missing between december seventy one

35:59

and july seventy five it is

36:02

believed they were his first victim

36:05

i guy so handsome was rejected by

36:07

women in his youth this reject

36:09

incest a deep inside of to

36:11

the extent that he hide of women he

36:13

bet he wanted to love them but high the

36:16

day rejection in sex work

36:18

as he could find that he had the

36:20

power they wanted his money

36:22

he could pick and choose he could reject

36:25

he split women into two categories

36:28

sites and horse sites

36:31

were women like he his wife and

36:33

mother's the next door neighbor

36:36

his employees but sex

36:38

workers that would just totally the

36:40

front they were cause

36:42

less than human an easy target

36:45

three deviance see since and app

36:47

that attacking or raping non sex

36:49

workers would get a mean the trouble

36:51

it would get him in prison if

36:54

he turned his violence towards sex

36:56

workers he had a much better chance

36:58

of getting away with that which he did meeting

37:01

sex workers were a low priority for voice

37:03

as i would nine just skip town sterile

37:06

was using different nine and now

37:08

on had any ideas are missing at all

37:10

some song hansen didn't

37:12

kill all the women he attacked one

37:15

cindy paulson was obviously going to

37:17

be put on is fine taken

37:19

out that the middle and i were and hunted down

37:21

like an animal see was just

37:24

lucky to escape and old though initially

37:26

her story to police wasn't believed

37:29

his see some would be is the mental

37:32

in getting hands and charged and convicted

37:34

even though she didn't have to take the same

37:38

the neck about a for this way

37:41

you just gotta think about this guy

37:43

house he showed all

37:45

the signs of being a serial

37:47

killer why back then stitches

37:50

i'd that now

37:52

days maybe , teachers

37:54

scorsese's kid and starts

37:56

thinking maybe he's a serial killer

37:59

and the guys through life

38:01

and starts lighting fires killing animals

38:04

and cv and only sort of stuff

38:06

he gets picked up in the cold hopefully

38:09

this some why somebody

38:12

can either six this person or

38:14

that lock them up a good that i just let

38:16

them get out isn't

38:18

it i get out on a some of the small census

38:21

success escalate the refunding

38:24

it's it's it escalates that's right

38:26

and murder and we've seen it time and time

38:28

again i'm sure if you

38:30

out there in the true crime will know exactly

38:32

what i'm talking about i

38:34

say it's not yet for these wait what a crazy

38:37

tithe map for a real deep

38:39

dive yeah this is about a a i

38:41

i our read don't

38:44

forget to check out butcher baker the true

38:46

account of alaskan serial killer

38:48

by walter gilmore and leland

38:51

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38:53

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38:55

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38:57

it from audible i ,

38:59

have listened to it ten times a full

39:02

slate sometimes i got to go back to where it was not

39:04

but it's so willing to write it

39:06

it got boring on a annoying voice

39:09

voice white mind mind just well

39:11

in the right it and it includes a lot of the other

39:13

crimes that handsome was handsome a

39:16

it goes into so much more get also

39:19

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39:21

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