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2:37

back to the story of the Daybells. The

2:39

demise of the Daybells. This

2:42

is part two in our series fourth

2:46

deadly

2:46

marriage. Let's pick up where we

2:48

left off.

2:52

After her divorce from Joseph Bryan in

2:55

two thousand four, Lori met Charles

2:57

Valo. You're one of her client

2:59

from 2 that she worked at. They

3:01

were married in Las Vegas two years later.

3:03

He had two children from a previous marriage,

3:06

and Lori entered the marriage with her

3:08

two children, Colby and

3:10

Kylie. Although raised Catholic,

3:12

he converted to the Church of Jesus Christ

3:14

of latter day saints, his new wife's

3:17

faith. Brands reported that the couple

3:19

seemed happy early in their marriage.

3:21

Her son Coleby thought his mother was also

3:23

looking for stability and someone to

3:25

take care of her. Saying my mom

3:27

grew up as a member of the Church of Jesus

3:29

Christ of latter day saints. She always

3:32

had a belief in Christ and saw through

3:34

a lot of brokenness and hurt. I

3:36

think my mom always looked for stability,

3:38

looked for someone who would take care

3:40

of her. Charles ex wife,

3:43

Cheryl, cared custody of their

3:45

two boys with him. The boys spent weekend

3:47

summers and alternating holidays

3:49

with their dad. Lori and Cheryl

3:51

met it. One of the boys basketball games,

3:53

and Cheryl thought she was a nice woman,

3:56

but she soon became concerned about

3:59

her mental state. In an interview

4:01

with East Idaho news, Sheryl

4:03

said that there were a lot of strange

4:05

things that happened in Charles and

4:07

Lori's home to the point that the

4:09

judge had ordered cameras to be put in their

4:11

home to protect children. That

4:13

sounds normal, Nothing

4:16

of concern was ever found in the videos

4:18

though. Sheryl and Charles were involved

4:20

in a custody dispute at the same time.

4:22

Lori was in the same situation with her

4:24

ex. Joseph Ryan

4:26

who was attacked by Lori's brother,

4:28

Alex Cox, and was in the hospital for

4:30

several days after the attack. In

4:33

twenty thirteen, the Daybells adopted

4:35

JJ, the son of Charles Neese.

4:37

And in twenty fourteen, they moved from Arizona

4:40

to Hawaii. Where they operated a

4:42

small business, taking Colby,

4:44

Kylie, and JJ with them.

4:47

April, Raymond met Laurie while

4:49

they were living in Hawaii. They

4:51

were both members of the LDS Church.

4:53

They became good friends with Lori,

4:55

felt that they had a very solid marriage.

4:58

But she soon discovered otherwise.

5:01

Lori didn't feel like Charles was her

5:03

spiritual equal, and she felt

5:05

that Lori wanted someone of the

5:07

spiritual level she felt

5:09

she was. She thought

5:11

Charles was holding her back.

5:14

During this time, her beliefs had become

5:16

more extreme. She told April

5:19

that she had been in touch with an angel,

5:21

Maroni, and he communicated

5:24

with her frequently. She felt like

5:26

the Lord was gathering his

5:28

people. When the family moved back

5:30

to Arizona, Lori started preparing

5:32

for the end times and the

5:34

second coming She also began listening

5:36

to a podcast. Through that

5:38

show, she met Melanie Gibbs

5:40

and others who shared her more

5:43

extreme beliefs. And

5:45

she began reading books written by

5:48

Chad Daybells. Daybell

5:50

had also been raised 2 the LDS

5:52

Church And in the beginning, his views

5:54

align with that of the church. However,

5:57

as his beliefs changed, he

5:59

was excommunicated from

6:01

the church. A leaf's a

6:03

little bit too extreme for even

6:05

the LDS Church. started

6:08

his own publishing company and published

6:10

twenty five books dealing with

6:12

themes like the end of time, near

6:14

death experiences, and

6:17

brave digging. His

6:19

fringe beliefs eventually led him

6:21

to think that he had become a prophet

6:23

with the capacity to foretell the end

6:25

of the world and would assist in bringing

6:27

us to let group of people do

6:29

a heavenly reward. City

6:32

connects the dots there, totally

6:34

logical and reasonable human being.

6:36

Right? Through his writings,

6:38

he attracted a small cult

6:40

following of Doomsday preppers

6:43

who were ready for the end of the world.

6:45

They believed in Daybells view of

6:47

prior lives as well as

6:49

demon possessed zombies.

6:52

Laurie and her friend Melanie Gibbs went to

6:54

a preparing a people conference

6:57

where Chad was speaking and doing a book

6:59

signing. And according to Gibbs, he

7:01

and Lori hit it off. By

7:03

the end of that weekend, Chad had told

7:05

Lori when they meant that they had been married

7:07

multiple times before. In

7:10

previous lives. Daybells

7:13

believed there would be an apocalypse and

7:15

one hundred forty thousand

7:17

chosen ones would be saved. The

7:20

chosen ones with carry on the work

7:22

of God in Rexburg

7:25

Idaho, the new Jerusalem, with

7:27

a Taco Bell coming soon. Hey,

7:29

I I added that button. He thought he'd

7:31

become their leader. With his

7:33

books would be like scriptures. As

7:36

Laura began a relationship with Chad her

7:39

life with Charles Valo was falling

7:41

apart On January thirtieth twenty

7:43

nineteen, Charles was in Houston on a

7:45

business trip and while he was away.

7:47

Lori canceled his return flight

7:49

and had 2 take his car

7:51

from the airport and remove all

7:53

his belongings from their home. Lori

7:56

claimed that Charles was unfaithful and

7:59

was possessed by a

8:01

dark spirit by the name

8:03

of Ned

8:05

Schneider Okay.

8:07

Can you get that line one more time, but

8:09

we need to make Ned Schneider sound a

8:11

little more dramatic. Okay. Here we go.

8:13

Fossessed by a dark spirit

8:15

by the name of Megan

8:18

Schneider. Okay. Like that

8:20

better. When Charles got home from his business

8:23

trip, he went to his home but did an

8:25

attempt to enter the house because he was

8:27

unsure what he might find.

8:29

Tell me, called the police. What follows

8:31

is the police cam audio of

8:33

the police talking with him

8:35

outside of his home. You've probably

8:37

heard small clips of this encounter

8:39

here and there on TV shows.

8:41

What we have for you is the

8:43

entire police interaction

8:46

outside of his home. This takes

8:48

a little while, but it's worth

8:50

to listen. Here you

8:51

go. Once

8:53

you come over here. So what's going on tonight?

8:55

I

8:56

can't get in touch with my my

8:58

kids. How

8:58

old are your

8:59

kids? Six and a half and sixteen.

9:02

K. How long

9:04

have you been trying? Two

9:07

days. Okay. But

9:09

she she's locked

9:11

her

9:11

mind. IIII

9:14

have to say it. We're LDS. She

9:16

thinks she's a resurrected being and

9:18

a and

9:19

a a god

9:21

and remember the hundred forty

9:23

four thousand. Is coming. Jesus is coming next

9:25

year. She took all the money out of

9:27

her bank account today. My truck had gone from the

9:29

airport to the airport and got it.

9:31

I just flew in from Houston, from

9:33

Daybells. Houston down.

9:34

So We're in a truck. I don't

9:37

know. Got it. Get rid of

9:39

my truck. I picked me up. I the

9:41

CSI federal court,

9:43

which is the community

9:45

bridges or

9:45

something, federal court. So

9:47

you did you did the petition.

9:50

Got

9:50

it.

9:52

They ordered pickup.

9:53

Okay. What time

9:54

did you do do that? Hour and

9:56

half ago. Okay.

9:58

So

9:58

what makes her a danger to herself and

10:00

to others?

10:01

Threatened they murder me. Kill me?

10:03

She threatened to murder you? Yes. And she said,

10:05

did she do that?

10:06

My my bishop right there is in the car. He

10:09

was on the phone with me today, which he said, I

10:11

will have you destroyed.

10:12

Of what she said there. K. That's

10:15

not

10:15

that's not a threat to kill you.

10:17

Yesterday was a threat to kill me.

10:19

Okay. What what did she say yesterday? She

10:21

said, you're not Charles. I don't know who you

10:23

are, what you do with Charles, but I can murder you

10:25

now with my powers.

10:27

Okay. K. Alright. So you're gonna I'm

10:30

gonna kill you too. I'm gonna go

10:32

yesterday without

10:32

me. She's speaking as a spiritual

10:35

being. She's

10:36

she's not here. She brought her

10:38

reality.

10:38

Is this is this just all recent?

10:41

Or has it been going on? It's been

10:43

going on for about four or five years. It's just gotten

10:45

really, really lady. And she goes to the temple every day

10:47

and speaks with my own ideas of Christ,

10:49

and they tell her what to do. And

10:51

now she came care today and

10:53

last couple of days since I'm not Charles.

10:55

You're not Charles. You're

10:58

Nick Schneider. Oh,

11:00

she gets his names from. She had all this stuff,

11:02

these people in Utah who tell

11:05

her how many past lives she's had

11:07

and and and probation she's

11:09

had. She's married

11:12

tomorrow night back way back when.

11:14

She

11:14

was also

11:14

married to James to adjust and

11:17

Okay. This is all foreign to me. So

11:19

it's just it's hard to me. Well, I'm not

11:20

LDL. It's crazy stuff. I know you're

11:22

using LDL's terms here, but

11:24

it's just it's just she's she's

11:27

nonsensical. K. And I haven't seen

11:29

Does he see the

11:30

older one or the younger one? Young. He's

11:31

six and a half years old. Okay. K?

11:33

I wanna do this now. You've got a

11:35

pickup order. Am I correct?

11:37

We do. K. If

11:39

she doesn't answer? Mhmm. What do we

11:41

do? If

11:42

she doesn't answer, we can't we we can't

11:45

enforce the order.

11:45

Can I break into my house? Do

11:47

you live here? Yes. I did. I'm a

11:49

police. I'm a police. Do you guys have

11:51

any orders of protections against you?

11:53

No. We do

11:53

not. No. No. We're gonna police

11:56

report?

11:56

No. No. Okay.

11:59

So how does she pose a threat to your

12:01

children? I don't know what she's gonna

12:03

do with don't know if she's gonna flee with them. She's

12:05

gonna hurt them. You

12:06

don't even know if she's here, right, today, on

12:08

the phone.

12:09

Yeah. I can't

12:10

tell the cars because there's garages

12:12

closed. I don't know. She locked the garage door.

12:14

I

12:14

know. I know. But what I'm hold

12:17

on. Hold on. Hold on.

12:18

What

12:19

I'm saying is, do you normally park two vehicles in

12:21

the garage? Inside the garage?

12:22

Correct. Okay.

12:23

So it's a possibility that her car and your truck

12:25

are inside there?

12:27

Don't think she could fit my truck in her car at the

12:29

same time. She may put him somewhere else. She said

12:31

to me 2 stuff is

12:32

gone. Charles stuff is

12:35

gone. You're not charged. Your stuff is gone. I

12:37

don't know what's happening. And how long

12:38

have you been trying to get in touch with the kids? Since

12:40

yesterday. Since yesterday.

12:42

Like last night or yesterday morning about landed

12:45

in Houston 2 about

12:46

ten. Okay.

12:47

Why did you leave?

12:48

There's a trip in Houston. Okay. And

12:50

when

12:50

did you

12:51

leave? Tuesday morning about five AM.

12:54

Okay.

12:55

Tuesday. Alright. Wow.

12:57

It's Wednesday

12:58

night. So you left yesterday? Yep.

13:01

Yesterday

13:01

morning. Mhmm.

13:02

Pluto Houston. Pluto

13:04

back today? Mhmm. Tonight. Tonight.

13:07

She canceled on flight. Scam of the

13:09

airport took my

13:09

truck. Did she tell you

13:12

that? No. It's and she knows the coach.

13:14

She knows where it's parked. She went Did

13:16

she go with you to the airport? No.

13:18

But she's been I go to the airport. I fly forty

13:20

five round trips a year. Okay. I've

13:22

got handicapped plates because JJ's

13:24

handicapped. Uh-huh. Could you file a

13:26

storm No report. No. She

13:28

took it. How do

13:29

you know? Use

13:31

suspect.

13:31

I suspect. Okay. I suspect. Alright. That's a

13:33

u term. So Okay. Yeah.

13:35

Without concrete evidence, we can't have

13:38

to put that.

13:38

Okay. And she has the

13:41

keys, the code, right, as

13:43

a forward the code, Dorco Dorco.

13:45

And I just wanna see my

13:47

boys okay, and she's got a pickup order. I

13:49

need to go she needs to

13:50

go, and I'm a take place. So you normally live here. Oh,

13:52

yeah. Look here. Yeah. All my stuff's into my

13:55

house.

13:55

Okay. We've got

13:56

a service dog in a beautiful dog.

13:58

My daughter's in the front window right

14:00

there. So

14:01

let me ask you this. When you came back, why didn't she

14:03

just go to the home? Because she told

14:05

me not to come near it. All my stuff is

14:07

gone. I'm not stupid.

14:09

She could have done anything. Okay. I

14:11

thought this would be the best way to do it with what

14:13

she's gone through and what gave, what just with me

14:15

on the phone today. I thought it

14:17

was best to have her. She's

14:19

psychologically she's gone.

14:21

Something's happened to

14:22

her. How old is she? Thirty forty five.

14:24

Forty five.

14:26

So just so if we talk to her, is she gonna

14:28

be able to have a rational conversation with her?

14:30

Oh, she will. I'm sure she will. Okay.

14:32

She's she's

14:35

Just She'll

14:36

probably tell me I'm crazy. Is

14:38

that what you suspect? Probably.

14:40

She

14:40

you're a dark spirit, but she's gonna

14:43

take. Okay. Yeah. I'm a dark spirit.

14:45

Gaues and me. He's our best engineer, dark spirit,

14:47

whatever that means. You're

14:49

evil. And you said this has been going on for, like, four

14:51

years? Well, it's to

14:53

the extent, but it's gotten really bad the last

14:55

several months. I've been

14:57

trying to ignore it because hoping it'll get

14:59

better. Is she

15:00

on those medications?

15:01

I'll show up in medication. She's a

15:03

Has she been to the doctor?

15:04

No. She

15:05

won't go to the doctor because she's a

15:08

translated thing, and they would find out if she's translated.

15:10

She cannot be

15:11

killed. She did cannot die. And that's

15:12

what she thinks. Yes. Okay. She

15:14

said she's been telling you. Yes. And and gang

15:16

took -- Okay. -- he heard this, not

15:19

just

15:19

me. This is a coming I'm I love her to death.

15:21

This is a killing officer. Smart

15:23

commercial. I I

15:25

or a thirteenth anniversary is that smart. He's

15:27

done at a great marriage. All of a

15:29

sudden, last month was just blew

15:30

up. Mhmm. She just lost

15:33

connection. Okay.

15:36

So as for so you

15:39

has she made any statements about

15:41

wanting to hurt the children or anything

15:42

today? She said with Gabe on the phone? Come

15:44

take the

15:44

kids. I don't care what happened. Come

15:47

take the Okay. But

15:48

she didn't make a direct direct towards the kids. Yeah.

15:51

That's right. Okay. And

15:53

then she said that

15:55

she would murder you through a

15:57

spiritual

15:57

No. She said, I can murder

15:59

you. I can

16:00

murder you. And

16:01

she's talking and a spirit kill you.

16:03

Spiritual?

16:03

No. She's talking physically. I will

16:06

kill you because you're not Charles and nobody

16:08

will care. Okay. So she she at this

16:10

point doesn't think you are her husband. She

16:12

takes him. Nick

16:13

Schneider. Nick Schneider. I have no

16:16

idea. Okay. The names she used. I where

16:18

it came from. Okay. I just I

16:20

just, like, I'm as bewildered as you

16:22

are. This is so foreign to me.

16:25

Normal people as far as I'm concerned that, you

16:27

know, this happened. It just drives me. I

16:29

don't know what to do. I need help.

16:31

And she needs help. She needs

16:33

help. And go

16:35

to bed. I got a lot of stuff

16:37

to do

16:37

tomorrow. I gotta take my son's

16:38

And you just didn't wanna go inside

16:41

because Oh, I got the statements that she made. Took

16:43

my car and my car. She's I suspect

16:45

she took my car and my keys. I have no keys to

16:47

get in. Oh, okay. A garage door

16:48

opener. Okay. She knows what she's

16:50

doing. She took thirty five thousand out of our bank

16:52

account today, and I can't make payroll fraud as

16:54

my

16:54

company. It's just it's

16:57

it's she changed our bank account

16:59

numbers. I had to change it

17:01

myself to get back

17:02

in, and I saw all the money gone. Okay.

17:06

Seven bucks in my

17:07

name. So

17:08

what's your

17:09

first name again?

17:10

Charles? Charles Woods here, one of his wife,

17:13

and

17:13

two children. Charles

17:15

was away on the business.

17:16

Nephew upstairs, 2 he's

17:19

nineteen. He's our nephew upstairs. Have

17:21

you tried

17:21

to call him? No. He won't

17:22

call me back either. Why won't

17:24

2 call it though? No.

17:25

Okay. That's what I'm worried

17:26

about. I hope they're okay. I don't

17:29

know. It's valid. Alright.

17:33

So his question is, he

17:35

lives

17:35

here. There's no orders against either one of

17:37

them if we can't make contact.

17:39

But if you want

17:40

a lot of sense of how we're doing a six seventy

17:42

check. I don't know

17:42

how to get in. I could have to break the

17:45

window. I could try to Where I was going

17:47

where I was going with was in he was in Houston on business

17:49

trip, and then he flies back in

17:51

to 2 Harbor and his trucks

17:53

gone. He suspects she went there

17:55

and took the truck. He

17:57

doesn't own a lot of

17:57

It's still running. So

18:00

alright. Is this house

18:01

for the one with the flashing lights? Right there.

18:06

Oh, where those palm trees

18:08

are? And I think

18:11

the side is green cover on

18:13

the garage. How much they changed or

18:15

not. I have to yeah. I think I know

18:17

the code. We just looked at the end of the

18:19

first. And

18:22

we gave Bonilla

18:24

who lived right down the corner. He

18:26

will tell you he was on the phone with her

18:28

that day with me. I packed it in, and she said

18:30

all that crap.

18:32

Does she have

18:35

any now? does.

18:39

She's

18:40

not to use it. Okay.

19:01

Did you have that star power?

19:05

You have

19:09

an alarm system? No.

19:12

Oh, okay.

19:19

There you

19:24

go. Cars

19:27

are all gone.

20:04

Did I think I have a place in

20:06

here? Like, she might have taken off somewhere?

20:09

Four cards you

20:10

got. Oh, yeah. Four cards. K. Our

20:13

dollar has one. Zachary. And if you guys

20:15

want, I have my coffee chest

20:17

infinity. Okay. I don't

20:19

know what my son

20:20

is. Who's

20:22

the oldest? Do you have the right course entry?

20:25

So Who who's the oldest

20:27

child? County. She's close.

20:29

I've had three in college. So they're

20:31

the one who lives

20:32

here. That's the old sixteen. He's

20:34

after nineteen. He's or nothing. He's living here.

20:36

Okay. And you tried calling one? Yes.

20:38

Why why why why won't you answer it now?

20:40

He's not gonna answer

20:41

it. She's got him to

20:42

upload too. I don't know what she told me.

20:46

Okay. And then driver's door is gonna

20:48

is that door open?

20:50

It locked up. Yeah. Got

20:53

it. To

20:57

the adjustment

21:01

gate to get out of the pool

21:03

to go back over.

21:14

Yeah. You'll have to call it was

21:16

at Sky Harbor. Right? You'll call

21:19

Phoenix police and now get all

21:21

your information. You

21:25

don't

21:26

have a hidden key? No. It's

21:28

in the house. So

21:31

it's not him. And then Jay can open

21:32

it if he happens to his locks.

21:34

Understand. Understand.

21:36

He's a water.

21:48

You guys are parked right through the service car.

21:51

Very well trained, but

21:52

you need

21:52

to do that. 2 it didn't really

21:54

need to

21:55

do the part of service. So

21:56

I'm gonna have a car that's back door I'll

21:58

just break the window. Is

22:02

that okay? It's

22:03

like for you

22:03

if you wanna

22:03

break the window. If I'm just gonna break something, I'll

22:06

talk back your garage door.

22:08

You can still secure your drive.

22:11

Just check the windows

22:13

and if it's not

22:14

locked, come back. Erbit's Law,

22:17

come back.

22:24

Yes. I have for that door.

22:26

That would be my suggestion. If you're gonna break

22:29

something to break that door, then you can just go block it

22:31

and

22:31

drop. Go and check

22:33

your front door and make sure it's not a lock in

22:35

that case. It's locked out of the glove compartment.

22:38

It's just it's the

22:39

it's there. There's just a

22:40

bit deadbolt here.

22:42

Alright. Plug

22:43

it in. Let's switch cable do

22:46

it. I'll do a mule pick. We'll try

22:48

that first. I'm

22:54

getting closer to that.

23:13

Oh, that won't work.

23:33

The police accompanying Charles into the

23:36

house. They were able to get in through the

23:38

garage, but Chad had to kick a

23:40

door in to enter the home.

23:42

He found all his belongings

23:44

missing. He asked for a mental evaluation

23:46

of his wife. The next

23:49

morning Charles went to JJ 2 in the hopes

23:51

of meeting Lori when she dropped him

23:53

off. He saw her purse in the

23:55

car and took it to keep her

23:57

from leaving. As they wanted to have the

23:59

police serve Lori with a mental

24:01

health petition. However,

24:03

according to the police report, Lori

24:05

had her keys on her.

24:07

2 hours later, Lori went to the Gilbert 2 station to

24:10

report her purse stolen by

24:12

Charles. She told the police a very

24:14

different story than her husband's

24:16

account of. What happened?

24:18

And now for your listening

24:20

enjoyment, the multiple personalities

24:22

of Lori Daybells. This

24:25

Is her interview with police

24:27

when she showed up to talk about

24:29

her stolen purse?

24:32

Never mind. That she took all

24:34

of her husband's possessions and removed

24:36

them from the home, canceled this

24:38

airline ticket, and removed his car from the

24:40

airport. She's the big don't remember. Take a

24:42

listen.

24:43

No. No.

24:45

I won't fit in place hands.

24:46

No. I was gonna

24:47

file some questions

24:48

with my friend who is a police officer told

24:51

need a final report. Okay. Yeah.

24:53

Alright. Looks like it's just

24:55

good to have it on record. So

24:57

Oh, Yeah. Okay. I got a little bit of info

25:00

from dispatch. Said

25:03

he stole your

25:04

phone. We'll have your

25:06

purse and actually tell five.

25:07

So yesterday,

25:08

I got

25:09

an argument with my husband on the phone, and he was

25:11

in Texas working, and I found some stuff that he'd

25:13

been doing, so he was really

25:15

defensive. And so I took the kids. We spent the night in a hotel because

25:17

I knew he was coming home. And

25:19

so this morning when I took my son, when

25:21

I went into the school to

25:25

take him into school. He was waiting

25:27

somewhere

25:27

and, like, stole my purse out of the car, my

25:29

whole purse. So my phone, my wallet,

25:31

my money, my everything was in

25:33

there. So I

25:34

didn't have

25:35

I had the door locked, but the sunroof was

25:37

open because we have a service dog and he was in

25:39

the car and I didn't wanna my son was kinda throwing a

25:41

fit. I didn't wanna get 2 both out of the car

25:43

it was a mess morning. And we didn't have any of our

25:45

stuff because this was at the night in the

25:46

hotel, and he was out of his element. So

25:48

I

25:49

didn't lock the door

25:50

with it for, like, the first time ever, and he,

25:52

like, whether I either got out of

25:53

it. I don't remember if the door was locked. He got it out

25:55

or he'd reached through the sunroof and just got

25:58

it.

25:58

Okay. But then he

26:00

started texting all my family and

26:03

all my friends and impersonating me and tried

26:05

and got my friend lured over to them

26:07

to meet

26:08

him.

26:08

he had,

26:09

like, kicked in the door to get into the house

26:11

and stuff. So And he did

26:12

that this morning. Last night.

26:13

Last night. Okay. I was

26:14

such a blessing went there.

26:16

Right.

26:17

Okay. That's what I got

26:17

there. I'm like, Laurie?

26:20

Where's Laurie? But he texted

26:22

her from my phone because

26:24

was pretending

26:25

to be me saying, oh, come me at

26:27

the house and whatever.

26:28

Okay. How did he

26:31

what what did he say to

26:33

you? Then?

26:34

He's can you come in the house

26:36

now? And then

26:37

when you get

26:37

Sure. Yeah. I know.

26:39

And I proceeded to act like he

26:42

was himself. He has a text messages on the phone. I don't know. I felt

26:44

bad. So when I got there, I

26:45

said, you've

26:46

been using

26:47

Lori's phone to connect with me. He was

26:49

sorry. I've 2

26:50

you. I said, oh, okay. Yeah. You

26:53

did. Luckily, there were some other people there

26:55

that weren't So he got he was changing the

26:57

locks and probably locked the door somewhere.

26:59

He kicked it in so that a

27:01

lot of mess from there. Saw lot that they were there, but there

27:03

was a white silver pretty much, like,

27:05

you know, like, I don't know. It was something

27:07

that I don't know where I got my carpet

27:10

anyway. It was a few

27:11

vehicles, so I didn't know, you know, who III

27:13

suspect it would be her. I

27:15

shouldn't notice

27:16

that your car wasn't Okay.

27:19

What

27:19

kind of car do you drive? I'm in

27:20

infinity cameras, aiming,

27:25

ARC. So

27:29

so you got to the house and

27:32

then you got there and said, yeah, I

27:34

deceived you and

27:35

then What

27:35

was he calling you there for? He

27:37

wanted me to come up with her and get some

27:40

information about her pretty

27:42

much. Oh, okay.

27:43

What did you ask

27:44

you? He

27:44

was asking, like, what's gone into

27:47

her?

27:47

Like, where is she? Right. Where is

27:49

she of course, I didn't say where she I

27:51

didn't know where she was. Too. I didn't tell didn't tell her

27:53

out because I thought it was safer for

27:54

everybody. Yeah. You just basically

27:57

want me to take a 2, I think,

27:59

and just

28:00

you know, they're

28:01

how crazy I was and stuff like

28:04

that

28:04

too. And

28:05

what was your name? Nelly.

28:06

Nelly. Your last

28:07

name? Yep. JIBB.

28:11

Okay. Just because

28:13

for documentation later, what's your date

28:16

of birth?

28:19

So okay. So he had you come there. I was asking you

28:21

questions. So, like, is this something

28:23

that's happened before? Or is

28:24

this, like No. No. No. Unfortunately,

28:27

like, I don't even

28:28

know. Hotels just, like, calm down or

28:30

something, you know. So we've done that

28:32

before. What what is it? Like, that motivates

28:35

him doing this kind of stuff. Is it did you

28:37

say one? He

28:37

just goes nuts sometimes. Just goes

28:40

nuts. Time I I caught him cheating and

28:42

I had evidence and I told him about

28:44

it and he travels a lot for

28:46

business. So I told him about that. I told him

28:48

not to come home and that his stuff would be gone

28:50

and that his car would be gone and all

28:52

this

28:52

thing. So he has a little

28:55

mask. She's just pretty pretty small.

28:56

Yeah. But

28:57

I just left with the kids because I didn't want them in the

28:59

hall of the drawer. Yeah. Then

29:02

you took your phone in person. Has he

29:04

tried to make contact with you since? He's

29:06

gonna try to

29:07

contact me through her. He has to I don't

29:08

have a

29:09

way to be contacted. I was

29:11

I didn't know when her phone I couldn't contact her.

29:14

Nobody could contact me. I just went and bought a

29:16

phone, so I could have a phone

29:17

level. Yeah. Will throw away. Sounds like

29:20

Have you called him to ask him if

29:22

he'd bring your stuff

29:23

back? Well,

29:23

he talked to her about it. So

29:27

Hey, boss.

29:27

Yeah. Because I said, would you be willing to give

29:29

me the purse for glory?

29:32

You know? And

29:34

he goes, no. Unless she does business, you know. I'm

29:36

always No. No. Speaking general is

29:38

2 not

29:39

specific.

29:39

She wants me to

29:40

meet him at therapy today

29:41

or something. Or

29:44

something. I mean, the person He doesn't

29:46

gonna give you the person. He just is saying he'd give it

29:48

to me if I meet him there.

29:50

Okay. I don't

29:50

really wanna talk to him today, but I don't have

29:53

to. So

29:53

Okay. Yeah.

29:55

So if we get if we

29:57

have him bring the purse back

29:59

Are

29:59

we all good? Like, I

30:02

mean, you're not

30:04

willing to meet with him at it

30:06

with with a therapist

30:07

or anything? Well They're trying to get it 2.

30:09

I don't want to meet with him because I don't

30:11

know. He's very sneaky. So, like, what he'll

30:13

do is meet me in the parking lot.

30:16

Mess around with

30:16

me, you know, whatever. Like, he's not gonna just What

30:18

if we can walk into their If they'll

30:20

come here, we can facilitate

30:23

him giving your first

30:23

back. That

30:24

would be fun.

30:26

I'm

30:26

gonna try that. I know he

30:28

has it

30:29

because he Obviously,

30:31

he's texting. Yeah. I was texting all my and all

30:33

my family and the kids too. Yeah. Definitely.

30:35

That was our fun. So we know it was sending it

30:37

to her because he What

30:39

what's he texting you?

30:41

He well, I have the tags. He

30:43

was

30:43

basically

30:43

just texting me. He's

30:46

acting like that my son was in danger. I

30:48

was worried about January things

30:50

in texting her,

30:51

like, he's gonna So he at first

30:53

texted me. You did okay today. Hey,

30:55

girl. Are you sick? Please

30:57

your mom, I may not

30:59

be home for a bit. Love

31:01

you. Send me a strange link to

31:03

a website about our church -- Okay.

31:05

-- guide people. Yeah. So this

31:08

is what's happening, and then he texted me at

31:10

almost midnight. I'm so but I

31:12

have no

31:12

choice. I'm just sick of danger. I

31:14

had no choice. Which I'm

31:16

he didn't file a police report

31:19

or anything as far as we know. So I'm just

31:21

assuming he was trying to get a

31:22

2, and then I love you.

31:25

He was

31:25

report about what? I

31:26

don't know. But he it was acting like

31:28

he did something. And then

31:30

those text messages came from

31:32

Do you have it entered his mom's phone? Or

31:35

No.

31:35

That was from his before he didn't

31:36

test before he didn't take the house until eight

31:38

thirty.

31:38

This was last night.

31:40

That's school. That's from husband. And he was sending

31:41

word for word the same text to

31:43

my cousin, like What

31:46

what's his name?

31:48

Charles. What's

31:49

his phone number? You're

31:50

the same last name, do you understand?

31:52

Yeah. Cravallo.

31:54

Charles Gallo. So my

31:57

friend only my friend that's a police officer.

31:59

He said, go file a report. I was sharing

32:02

her also. Don't wanna do all that stuff. I

32:04

just wanted to to be on record and if you can

32:06

get the purse back, that'd be lovely because all my stuff

32:08

is there. I'm really mad about my

32:10

lip gloss. Well, he

32:12

has all the cards and all

32:15

the stuff. So he's mad because I took the money out of our account.

32:17

It's a joint account, so he wants me to give

32:19

him money. Okay. That's all a civil

32:21

issue. Yeah.

32:21

That's what I'm saying right

32:22

now. Purse. There's

32:23

no reason why he's walking around with your purse.

32:25

Your ID, that he doesn't have a

32:27

right Right.

32:28

That's that's what I'm saying. All the rest of the stuff

32:30

is our joint stuff together. Yeah.

32:33

Yeah.

32:33

Alright. We're

32:35

gonna leave the room temporarily. We're gonna try to give

32:38

them a call, see if we can get this

32:39

rectified. That'd be

32:40

great. Thank you. Alright.

32:54

Okay. You want to take hold of me? You want

32:57

me to I don't know. This

32:59

one's a little confusing for me

33:00

honestly. I'm holding school. Oh,

33:03

yeah. You're I would actually

33:05

Yeah. Okay.

33:09

Charles. Charles.

33:10

Hello. Hi. This is officer Heating to WPD.

33:12

Is this Charles? Hey,

33:15

Charles. The reason I'm calling right

33:17

now is your your wife's at police

33:20

department claiming you stole her purse and

33:23

her cellphone. Okay.

33:28

You you realize they don't

33:31

belong to you. Correct? Okay.

33:35

So that that's a civil issue, and she's responsible

33:38

for every penny when you guys if

33:40

you guys end up going through divorce

33:42

proceedings? Okay.

33:49

And you also texted

33:51

a friend to meet you at the house

33:53

last night? Under the

33:55

guise that you were her?

33:57

What was that for? So

33:59

you texted a friend of hers to meet you

34:01

at the house last night

34:03

using her cell

34:05

phone. What what was that all about?

34:09

Oh, this

34:10

morning. Okay.

34:18

Yeah. We we read the report from earlier

34:20

today regarding you not being able to get

34:23

into the house and everything. So

34:27

I don't I

34:29

do not have the order in

34:31

front of me, so III do I

34:34

cannot do

34:34

that. It's gotta be

34:38

approved, and I know I cannot keep

34:40

her from I cannot get her well, it's gotta

34:42

go to our

34:43

sergeant. Who's got to call, verify that it's good,

34:45

and then we get

34:48

dispatched. So

34:53

So that this is how

34:55

the process works. And I

34:58

can't I can't keep somebody against their

35:00

will

35:01

without a warrant are the

35:03

valid well,

35:06

I'm I'm telling

35:08

you

35:09

right now we have process. You come here

35:11

and you turn it in. It goes to a sergeant. Sergeant calls

35:13

the doctor.

35:14

Okay. Well,

35:15

I don't I don't

35:18

have that. And for all we know it's do

35:20

not know.

35:22

What what I'm concerned about

35:26

So what? Yeah.

35:28

What? That's that's

35:31

not that's that's not what I'm

35:33

I'm discussing a whole separate

35:35

issue. You right now. And that's

35:36

her, again, her belongings back.

35:38

Okay. You're saying

35:40

it's at the house?

35:42

Would you change the lock zone. Correct? So she

35:45

doesn't have access to? Yes.

35:52

So unless you wanna be charged with theft, we need we need to

35:54

get that purse back to her. If you wanna

35:56

come here with the purse and that

35:57

order, we can get this all try kinda trying

35:59

to figure out. 2

36:02

the purse and

36:05

her cellphone. Yeah.

36:08

Okay. So how soon can you

36:10

be here? We're we're at the police department, seventy

36:12

five East Civic Center

36:13

Drive? Gilbert Warner.

36:16

Thank you. How long? Not

36:19

that. But

36:20

he says he's come with

36:22

the order.

36:23

He says, that should get interesting.

36:25

He's gonna

36:25

get real interesting.

36:27

I don't even know. So

36:30

Alright.

36:31

This is good. Yeah.

36:34

He just goes not sometimes, but this time

36:36

I caught him cheating and I had

36:38

evidence that I told him about it and he

36:40

travels a lot for business, so I told him about it.

36:43

I told him not to come home and

36:45

that his stuff be that would gone, Lori said. Well,

36:47

that seems sufficient for the police.

36:49

Then she said that it must

36:51

be true. Right? The police

36:54

called Charles had asked him to return Lori's

36:56

purse and inform him that it is against the

36:58

law to take it. Charles

37:00

brought the purse to the

37:02

police station and contacted nine eleven to request an

37:04

officer's server with a mental health

37:06

petition. Charles told the dispatcher

37:08

that his wife has lost

37:10

her MARPOL. After saying that

37:12

an officer will call dispatch

37:14

hangs up. Charles phones again

37:16

to confirm that he will receive the petition

37:18

from the police. While Lori

37:20

was at the police station, officers

37:22

explained the mental health petition to Lori

37:24

and advised her to visit community

37:26

bridges if she wanted to

37:28

resolve it. They reported that Charles was en route with the

37:30

petition and purse. An

37:32

officer wrote in the report, during

37:34

my contact with Lori, I

37:36

found it to be in a

37:38

normal state of mind, but only

37:40

slightly upset. She did not

37:42

have her property. Laurie showed

37:44

no signs of mental distress as

37:46

she described what was

37:48

occurring and appeared to be in a good

37:50

mood. Talking with Lori's daughter and

37:52

friend, they did not seem concerned

37:54

for anything. Other than Lori getting her property back, he then slipped

37:56

her a note and asked her to dinner at Applebee's

37:58

that night. Okay. Wait. That that part didn't

38:00

happen, but very well could have, you

38:02

know, 2 say.

38:04

Another officer who wanted to get a hot date with Lori. I mean, another

38:06

officer who talked with Charles that

38:09

morning reported during my

38:11

conversation with Charles I found his

38:13

demeanor for in circumstances, he seemed more

38:16

concerned with asking questions about

38:18

the legality financial

38:21

withdrawals Lori had made than her alleged

38:23

incoherence, the officer writes.

38:26

Because who

38:28

would concerned about a crazy person having access to their finances.

38:30

2 I mean, it's just money. Right?

38:32

I mean, that's just

38:34

that's just so extreme. Laurel

38:37

exactly softened for a medical evaluation on February first twenty nineteen

38:39

and was discharged a few hours

38:41

later. Those mental health people want to validate

38:43

with her too.

38:46

The following month Charles filed an order of protection against his

38:48

wife and provided more information on

38:51

Lori's threats. He wrote She

38:53

told me that she was a god

38:56

and was assigned to carry out the

38:58

work of the one hundred forty four

39:00

thousand at Christ

39:02

second coming in July of twenty

39:03

twenty. She said I was in the way and she would have

39:05

to murder me if I tried

39:07

to stop

39:09

her. Less than six months later, Charles

39:12

Valo was murdered. Maybe

39:14

the police should have taken this a little

39:16

more seriously.

39:18

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39:20

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