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back to the story of the Daybells. The
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demise of the Daybells. This
2:42
is part two in our series fourth
2:46
deadly
2:46
marriage. Let's pick up where we
2:48
left off.
2:52
After her divorce from Joseph Bryan in
2:55
two thousand four, Lori met Charles
2:57
Valo. You're one of her client
2:59
from 2 that she worked at. They
3:01
were married in Las Vegas two years later.
3:03
He had two children from a previous marriage,
3:06
and Lori entered the marriage with her
3:08
two children, Colby and
3:10
Kylie. Although raised Catholic,
3:12
he converted to the Church of Jesus Christ
3:14
of latter day saints, his new wife's
3:17
faith. Brands reported that the couple
3:19
seemed happy early in their marriage.
3:21
Her son Coleby thought his mother was also
3:23
looking for stability and someone to
3:25
take care of her. Saying my mom
3:27
grew up as a member of the Church of Jesus
3:29
Christ of latter day saints. She always
3:32
had a belief in Christ and saw through
3:34
a lot of brokenness and hurt. I
3:36
think my mom always looked for stability,
3:38
looked for someone who would take care
3:40
of her. Charles ex wife,
3:43
Cheryl, cared custody of their
3:45
two boys with him. The boys spent weekend
3:47
summers and alternating holidays
3:49
with their dad. Lori and Cheryl
3:51
met it. One of the boys basketball games,
3:53
and Cheryl thought she was a nice woman,
3:56
but she soon became concerned about
3:59
her mental state. In an interview
4:01
with East Idaho news, Sheryl
4:03
said that there were a lot of strange
4:05
things that happened in Charles and
4:07
Lori's home to the point that the
4:09
judge had ordered cameras to be put in their
4:11
home to protect children. That
4:13
sounds normal, Nothing
4:16
of concern was ever found in the videos
4:18
though. Sheryl and Charles were involved
4:20
in a custody dispute at the same time.
4:22
Lori was in the same situation with her
4:24
ex. Joseph Ryan
4:26
who was attacked by Lori's brother,
4:28
Alex Cox, and was in the hospital for
4:30
several days after the attack. In
4:33
twenty thirteen, the Daybells adopted
4:35
JJ, the son of Charles Neese.
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And in twenty fourteen, they moved from Arizona
4:40
to Hawaii. Where they operated a
4:42
small business, taking Colby,
4:44
Kylie, and JJ with them.
4:47
April, Raymond met Laurie while
4:49
they were living in Hawaii. They
4:51
were both members of the LDS Church.
4:53
They became good friends with Lori,
4:55
felt that they had a very solid marriage.
4:58
But she soon discovered otherwise.
5:01
Lori didn't feel like Charles was her
5:03
spiritual equal, and she felt
5:05
that Lori wanted someone of the
5:07
spiritual level she felt
5:09
she was. She thought
5:11
Charles was holding her back.
5:14
During this time, her beliefs had become
5:16
more extreme. She told April
5:19
that she had been in touch with an angel,
5:21
Maroni, and he communicated
5:24
with her frequently. She felt like
5:26
the Lord was gathering his
5:28
people. When the family moved back
5:30
to Arizona, Lori started preparing
5:32
for the end times and the
5:34
second coming She also began listening
5:36
to a podcast. Through that
5:38
show, she met Melanie Gibbs
5:40
and others who shared her more
5:43
extreme beliefs. And
5:45
she began reading books written by
5:48
Chad Daybells. Daybell
5:50
had also been raised 2 the LDS
5:52
Church And in the beginning, his views
5:54
align with that of the church. However,
5:57
as his beliefs changed, he
5:59
was excommunicated from
6:01
the church. A leaf's a
6:03
little bit too extreme for even
6:05
the LDS Church. started
6:08
his own publishing company and published
6:10
twenty five books dealing with
6:12
themes like the end of time, near
6:14
death experiences, and
6:17
brave digging. His
6:19
fringe beliefs eventually led him
6:21
to think that he had become a prophet
6:23
with the capacity to foretell the end
6:25
of the world and would assist in bringing
6:27
us to let group of people do
6:29
a heavenly reward. City
6:32
connects the dots there, totally
6:34
logical and reasonable human being.
6:36
Right? Through his writings,
6:38
he attracted a small cult
6:40
following of Doomsday preppers
6:43
who were ready for the end of the world.
6:45
They believed in Daybells view of
6:47
prior lives as well as
6:49
demon possessed zombies.
6:52
Laurie and her friend Melanie Gibbs went to
6:54
a preparing a people conference
6:57
where Chad was speaking and doing a book
6:59
signing. And according to Gibbs, he
7:01
and Lori hit it off. By
7:03
the end of that weekend, Chad had told
7:05
Lori when they meant that they had been married
7:07
multiple times before. In
7:10
previous lives. Daybells
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believed there would be an apocalypse and
7:15
one hundred forty thousand
7:17
chosen ones would be saved. The
7:20
chosen ones with carry on the work
7:22
of God in Rexburg
7:25
Idaho, the new Jerusalem, with
7:27
a Taco Bell coming soon. Hey,
7:29
I I added that button. He thought he'd
7:31
become their leader. With his
7:33
books would be like scriptures. As
7:36
Laura began a relationship with Chad her
7:39
life with Charles Valo was falling
7:41
apart On January thirtieth twenty
7:43
nineteen, Charles was in Houston on a
7:45
business trip and while he was away.
7:47
Lori canceled his return flight
7:49
and had 2 take his car
7:51
from the airport and remove all
7:53
his belongings from their home. Lori
7:56
claimed that Charles was unfaithful and
7:59
was possessed by a
8:01
dark spirit by the name
8:03
of Ned
8:05
Schneider Okay.
8:07
Can you get that line one more time, but
8:09
we need to make Ned Schneider sound a
8:11
little more dramatic. Okay. Here we go.
8:13
Fossessed by a dark spirit
8:15
by the name of Megan
8:18
Schneider. Okay. Like that
8:20
better. When Charles got home from his business
8:23
trip, he went to his home but did an
8:25
attempt to enter the house because he was
8:27
unsure what he might find.
8:29
Tell me, called the police. What follows
8:31
is the police cam audio of
8:33
the police talking with him
8:35
outside of his home. You've probably
8:37
heard small clips of this encounter
8:39
here and there on TV shows.
8:41
What we have for you is the
8:43
entire police interaction
8:46
outside of his home. This takes
8:48
a little while, but it's worth
8:50
to listen. Here you
8:51
go. Once
8:53
you come over here. So what's going on tonight?
8:55
I
8:56
can't get in touch with my my
8:58
kids. How
8:58
old are your
8:59
kids? Six and a half and sixteen.
9:02
K. How long
9:04
have you been trying? Two
9:07
days. Okay. But
9:09
she she's locked
9:11
her
9:11
mind. IIII
9:14
have to say it. We're LDS. She
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thinks she's a resurrected being and
9:18
a and
9:19
a a god
9:21
and remember the hundred forty
9:23
four thousand. Is coming. Jesus is coming next
9:25
year. She took all the money out of
9:27
her bank account today. My truck had gone from the
9:29
airport to the airport and got it.
9:31
I just flew in from Houston, from
9:33
Daybells. Houston down.
9:34
So We're in a truck. I don't
9:37
know. Got it. Get rid of
9:39
my truck. I picked me up. I the
9:41
CSI federal court,
9:43
which is the community
9:45
bridges or
9:45
something, federal court. So
9:47
you did you did the petition.
9:50
Got
9:50
it.
9:52
They ordered pickup.
9:53
Okay. What time
9:54
did you do do that? Hour and
9:56
half ago. Okay.
9:58
So
9:58
what makes her a danger to herself and
10:00
to others?
10:01
Threatened they murder me. Kill me?
10:03
She threatened to murder you? Yes. And she said,
10:05
did she do that?
10:06
My my bishop right there is in the car. He
10:09
was on the phone with me today, which he said, I
10:11
will have you destroyed.
10:12
Of what she said there. K. That's
10:15
not
10:15
that's not a threat to kill you.
10:17
Yesterday was a threat to kill me.
10:19
Okay. What what did she say yesterday? She
10:21
said, you're not Charles. I don't know who you
10:23
are, what you do with Charles, but I can murder you
10:25
now with my powers.
10:27
Okay. K. Alright. So you're gonna I'm
10:30
gonna kill you too. I'm gonna go
10:32
yesterday without
10:32
me. She's speaking as a spiritual
10:35
being. She's
10:36
she's not here. She brought her
10:38
reality.
10:38
Is this is this just all recent?
10:41
Or has it been going on? It's been
10:43
going on for about four or five years. It's just gotten
10:45
really, really lady. And she goes to the temple every day
10:47
and speaks with my own ideas of Christ,
10:49
and they tell her what to do. And
10:51
now she came care today and
10:53
last couple of days since I'm not Charles.
10:55
You're not Charles. You're
10:58
Nick Schneider. Oh,
11:00
she gets his names from. She had all this stuff,
11:02
these people in Utah who tell
11:05
her how many past lives she's had
11:07
and and and probation she's
11:09
had. She's married
11:12
tomorrow night back way back when.
11:14
She
11:14
was also
11:14
married to James to adjust and
11:17
Okay. This is all foreign to me. So
11:19
it's just it's hard to me. Well, I'm not
11:20
LDL. It's crazy stuff. I know you're
11:22
using LDL's terms here, but
11:24
it's just it's just she's she's
11:27
nonsensical. K. And I haven't seen
11:29
Does he see the
11:30
older one or the younger one? Young. He's
11:31
six and a half years old. Okay. K?
11:33
I wanna do this now. You've got a
11:35
pickup order. Am I correct?
11:37
We do. K. If
11:39
she doesn't answer? Mhmm. What do we
11:41
do? If
11:42
she doesn't answer, we can't we we can't
11:45
enforce the order.
11:45
Can I break into my house? Do
11:47
you live here? Yes. I did. I'm a
11:49
police. I'm a police. Do you guys have
11:51
any orders of protections against you?
11:53
No. We do
11:53
not. No. No. We're gonna police
11:56
report?
11:56
No. No. Okay.
11:59
So how does she pose a threat to your
12:01
children? I don't know what she's gonna
12:03
do with don't know if she's gonna flee with them. She's
12:05
gonna hurt them. You
12:06
don't even know if she's here, right, today, on
12:08
the phone.
12:09
Yeah. I can't
12:10
tell the cars because there's garages
12:12
closed. I don't know. She locked the garage door.
12:14
I
12:14
know. I know. But what I'm hold
12:17
on. Hold on. Hold on.
12:18
What
12:19
I'm saying is, do you normally park two vehicles in
12:21
the garage? Inside the garage?
12:22
Correct. Okay.
12:23
So it's a possibility that her car and your truck
12:25
are inside there?
12:27
Don't think she could fit my truck in her car at the
12:29
same time. She may put him somewhere else. She said
12:31
to me 2 stuff is
12:32
gone. Charles stuff is
12:35
gone. You're not charged. Your stuff is gone. I
12:37
don't know what's happening. And how long
12:38
have you been trying to get in touch with the kids? Since
12:40
yesterday. Since yesterday.
12:42
Like last night or yesterday morning about landed
12:45
in Houston 2 about
12:46
ten. Okay.
12:47
Why did you leave?
12:48
There's a trip in Houston. Okay. And
12:50
when
12:50
did you
12:51
leave? Tuesday morning about five AM.
12:54
Okay.
12:55
Tuesday. Alright. Wow.
12:57
It's Wednesday
12:58
night. So you left yesterday? Yep.
13:01
Yesterday
13:01
morning. Mhmm.
13:02
Pluto Houston. Pluto
13:04
back today? Mhmm. Tonight. Tonight.
13:07
She canceled on flight. Scam of the
13:09
airport took my
13:09
truck. Did she tell you
13:12
that? No. It's and she knows the coach.
13:14
She knows where it's parked. She went Did
13:16
she go with you to the airport? No.
13:18
But she's been I go to the airport. I fly forty
13:20
five round trips a year. Okay. I've
13:22
got handicapped plates because JJ's
13:24
handicapped. Uh-huh. Could you file a
13:26
storm No report. No. She
13:28
took it. How do
13:29
you know? Use
13:31
suspect.
13:31
I suspect. Okay. I suspect. Alright. That's a
13:33
u term. So Okay. Yeah.
13:35
Without concrete evidence, we can't have
13:38
to put that.
13:38
Okay. And she has the
13:41
keys, the code, right, as
13:43
a forward the code, Dorco Dorco.
13:45
And I just wanna see my
13:47
boys okay, and she's got a pickup order. I
13:49
need to go she needs to
13:50
go, and I'm a take place. So you normally live here. Oh,
13:52
yeah. Look here. Yeah. All my stuff's into my
13:55
house.
13:55
Okay. We've got
13:56
a service dog in a beautiful dog.
13:58
My daughter's in the front window right
14:00
there. So
14:01
let me ask you this. When you came back, why didn't she
14:03
just go to the home? Because she told
14:05
me not to come near it. All my stuff is
14:07
gone. I'm not stupid.
14:09
She could have done anything. Okay. I
14:11
thought this would be the best way to do it with what
14:13
she's gone through and what gave, what just with me
14:15
on the phone today. I thought it
14:17
was best to have her. She's
14:19
psychologically she's gone.
14:21
Something's happened to
14:22
her. How old is she? Thirty forty five.
14:24
Forty five.
14:26
So just so if we talk to her, is she gonna
14:28
be able to have a rational conversation with her?
14:30
Oh, she will. I'm sure she will. Okay.
14:32
She's she's
14:35
Just She'll
14:36
probably tell me I'm crazy. Is
14:38
that what you suspect? Probably.
14:40
She
14:40
you're a dark spirit, but she's gonna
14:43
take. Okay. Yeah. I'm a dark spirit.
14:45
Gaues and me. He's our best engineer, dark spirit,
14:47
whatever that means. You're
14:49
evil. And you said this has been going on for, like, four
14:51
years? Well, it's to
14:53
the extent, but it's gotten really bad the last
14:55
several months. I've been
14:57
trying to ignore it because hoping it'll get
14:59
better. Is she
15:00
on those medications?
15:01
I'll show up in medication. She's a
15:03
Has she been to the doctor?
15:04
No. She
15:05
won't go to the doctor because she's a
15:08
translated thing, and they would find out if she's translated.
15:10
She cannot be
15:11
killed. She did cannot die. And that's
15:12
what she thinks. Yes. Okay. She
15:14
said she's been telling you. Yes. And and gang
15:16
took -- Okay. -- he heard this, not
15:19
just
15:19
me. This is a coming I'm I love her to death.
15:21
This is a killing officer. Smart
15:23
commercial. I I
15:25
or a thirteenth anniversary is that smart. He's
15:27
done at a great marriage. All of a
15:29
sudden, last month was just blew
15:30
up. Mhmm. She just lost
15:33
connection. Okay.
15:36
So as for so you
15:39
has she made any statements about
15:41
wanting to hurt the children or anything
15:42
today? She said with Gabe on the phone? Come
15:44
take the
15:44
kids. I don't care what happened. Come
15:47
take the Okay. But
15:48
she didn't make a direct direct towards the kids. Yeah.
15:51
That's right. Okay. And
15:53
then she said that
15:55
she would murder you through a
15:57
spiritual
15:57
No. She said, I can murder
15:59
you. I can
16:00
murder you. And
16:01
she's talking and a spirit kill you.
16:03
Spiritual?
16:03
No. She's talking physically. I will
16:06
kill you because you're not Charles and nobody
16:08
will care. Okay. So she she at this
16:10
point doesn't think you are her husband. She
16:12
takes him. Nick
16:13
Schneider. Nick Schneider. I have no
16:16
idea. Okay. The names she used. I where
16:18
it came from. Okay. I just I
16:20
just, like, I'm as bewildered as you
16:22
are. This is so foreign to me.
16:25
Normal people as far as I'm concerned that, you
16:27
know, this happened. It just drives me. I
16:29
don't know what to do. I need help.
16:31
And she needs help. She needs
16:33
help. And go
16:35
to bed. I got a lot of stuff
16:37
to do
16:37
tomorrow. I gotta take my son's
16:38
And you just didn't wanna go inside
16:41
because Oh, I got the statements that she made. Took
16:43
my car and my car. She's I suspect
16:45
she took my car and my keys. I have no keys to
16:47
get in. Oh, okay. A garage door
16:48
opener. Okay. She knows what she's
16:50
doing. She took thirty five thousand out of our bank
16:52
account today, and I can't make payroll fraud as
16:54
my
16:54
company. It's just it's
16:57
it's she changed our bank account
16:59
numbers. I had to change it
17:01
myself to get back
17:02
in, and I saw all the money gone. Okay.
17:06
Seven bucks in my
17:07
name. So
17:08
what's your
17:09
first name again?
17:10
Charles? Charles Woods here, one of his wife,
17:13
and
17:13
two children. Charles
17:15
was away on the business.
17:16
Nephew upstairs, 2 he's
17:19
nineteen. He's our nephew upstairs. Have
17:21
you tried
17:21
to call him? No. He won't
17:22
call me back either. Why won't
17:24
2 call it though? No.
17:25
Okay. That's what I'm worried
17:26
about. I hope they're okay. I don't
17:29
know. It's valid. Alright.
17:33
So his question is, he
17:35
lives
17:35
here. There's no orders against either one of
17:37
them if we can't make contact.
17:39
But if you want
17:40
a lot of sense of how we're doing a six seventy
17:42
check. I don't know
17:42
how to get in. I could have to break the
17:45
window. I could try to Where I was going
17:47
where I was going with was in he was in Houston on business
17:49
trip, and then he flies back in
17:51
to 2 Harbor and his trucks
17:53
gone. He suspects she went there
17:55
and took the truck. He
17:57
doesn't own a lot of
17:57
It's still running. So
18:00
alright. Is this house
18:01
for the one with the flashing lights? Right there.
18:06
Oh, where those palm trees
18:08
are? And I think
18:11
the side is green cover on
18:13
the garage. How much they changed or
18:15
not. I have to yeah. I think I know
18:17
the code. We just looked at the end of the
18:19
first. And
18:22
we gave Bonilla
18:24
who lived right down the corner. He
18:26
will tell you he was on the phone with her
18:28
that day with me. I packed it in, and she said
18:30
all that crap.
18:32
Does she have
18:35
any now? does.
18:39
She's
18:40
not to use it. Okay.
19:01
Did you have that star power?
19:05
You have
19:09
an alarm system? No.
19:12
Oh, okay.
19:19
There you
19:24
go. Cars
19:27
are all gone.
20:04
Did I think I have a place in
20:06
here? Like, she might have taken off somewhere?
20:09
Four cards you
20:10
got. Oh, yeah. Four cards. K. Our
20:13
dollar has one. Zachary. And if you guys
20:15
want, I have my coffee chest
20:17
infinity. Okay. I don't
20:19
know what my son
20:20
is. Who's
20:22
the oldest? Do you have the right course entry?
20:25
So Who who's the oldest
20:27
child? County. She's close.
20:29
I've had three in college. So they're
20:31
the one who lives
20:32
here. That's the old sixteen. He's
20:34
after nineteen. He's or nothing. He's living here.
20:36
Okay. And you tried calling one? Yes.
20:38
Why why why why won't you answer it now?
20:40
He's not gonna answer
20:41
it. She's got him to
20:42
upload too. I don't know what she told me.
20:46
Okay. And then driver's door is gonna
20:48
is that door open?
20:50
It locked up. Yeah. Got
20:53
it. To
20:57
the adjustment
21:01
gate to get out of the pool
21:03
to go back over.
21:14
Yeah. You'll have to call it was
21:16
at Sky Harbor. Right? You'll call
21:19
Phoenix police and now get all
21:21
your information. You
21:25
don't
21:26
have a hidden key? No. It's
21:28
in the house. So
21:31
it's not him. And then Jay can open
21:32
it if he happens to his locks.
21:34
Understand. Understand.
21:36
He's a water.
21:48
You guys are parked right through the service car.
21:51
Very well trained, but
21:52
you need
21:52
to do that. 2 it didn't really
21:54
need to
21:55
do the part of service. So
21:56
I'm gonna have a car that's back door I'll
21:58
just break the window. Is
22:02
that okay? It's
22:03
like for you
22:03
if you wanna
22:03
break the window. If I'm just gonna break something, I'll
22:06
talk back your garage door.
22:08
You can still secure your drive.
22:11
Just check the windows
22:13
and if it's not
22:14
locked, come back. Erbit's Law,
22:17
come back.
22:24
Yes. I have for that door.
22:26
That would be my suggestion. If you're gonna break
22:29
something to break that door, then you can just go block it
22:31
and
22:31
drop. Go and check
22:33
your front door and make sure it's not a lock in
22:35
that case. It's locked out of the glove compartment.
22:38
It's just it's the
22:39
it's there. There's just a
22:40
bit deadbolt here.
22:42
Alright. Plug
22:43
it in. Let's switch cable do
22:46
it. I'll do a mule pick. We'll try
22:48
that first. I'm
22:54
getting closer to that.
23:13
Oh, that won't work.
23:33
The police accompanying Charles into the
23:36
house. They were able to get in through the
23:38
garage, but Chad had to kick a
23:40
door in to enter the home.
23:42
He found all his belongings
23:44
missing. He asked for a mental evaluation
23:46
of his wife. The next
23:49
morning Charles went to JJ 2 in the hopes
23:51
of meeting Lori when she dropped him
23:53
off. He saw her purse in the
23:55
car and took it to keep her
23:57
from leaving. As they wanted to have the
23:59
police serve Lori with a mental
24:01
health petition. However,
24:03
according to the police report, Lori
24:05
had her keys on her.
24:07
2 hours later, Lori went to the Gilbert 2 station to
24:10
report her purse stolen by
24:12
Charles. She told the police a very
24:14
different story than her husband's
24:16
account of. What happened?
24:18
And now for your listening
24:20
enjoyment, the multiple personalities
24:22
of Lori Daybells. This
24:25
Is her interview with police
24:27
when she showed up to talk about
24:29
her stolen purse?
24:32
Never mind. That she took all
24:34
of her husband's possessions and removed
24:36
them from the home, canceled this
24:38
airline ticket, and removed his car from the
24:40
airport. She's the big don't remember. Take a
24:42
listen.
24:43
No. No.
24:45
I won't fit in place hands.
24:46
No. I was gonna
24:47
file some questions
24:48
with my friend who is a police officer told
24:51
need a final report. Okay. Yeah.
24:53
Alright. Looks like it's just
24:55
good to have it on record. So
24:57
Oh, Yeah. Okay. I got a little bit of info
25:00
from dispatch. Said
25:03
he stole your
25:04
phone. We'll have your
25:06
purse and actually tell five.
25:07
So yesterday,
25:08
I got
25:09
an argument with my husband on the phone, and he was
25:11
in Texas working, and I found some stuff that he'd
25:13
been doing, so he was really
25:15
defensive. And so I took the kids. We spent the night in a hotel because
25:17
I knew he was coming home. And
25:19
so this morning when I took my son, when
25:21
I went into the school to
25:25
take him into school. He was waiting
25:27
somewhere
25:27
and, like, stole my purse out of the car, my
25:29
whole purse. So my phone, my wallet,
25:31
my money, my everything was in
25:33
there. So I
25:34
didn't have
25:35
I had the door locked, but the sunroof was
25:37
open because we have a service dog and he was in
25:39
the car and I didn't wanna my son was kinda throwing a
25:41
fit. I didn't wanna get 2 both out of the car
25:43
it was a mess morning. And we didn't have any of our
25:45
stuff because this was at the night in the
25:46
hotel, and he was out of his element. So
25:48
I
25:49
didn't lock the door
25:50
with it for, like, the first time ever, and he,
25:52
like, whether I either got out of
25:53
it. I don't remember if the door was locked. He got it out
25:55
or he'd reached through the sunroof and just got
25:58
it.
25:58
Okay. But then he
26:00
started texting all my family and
26:03
all my friends and impersonating me and tried
26:05
and got my friend lured over to them
26:07
to meet
26:08
him.
26:08
he had,
26:09
like, kicked in the door to get into the house
26:11
and stuff. So And he did
26:12
that this morning. Last night.
26:13
Last night. Okay. I was
26:14
such a blessing went there.
26:16
Right.
26:17
Okay. That's what I got
26:17
there. I'm like, Laurie?
26:20
Where's Laurie? But he texted
26:22
her from my phone because
26:24
was pretending
26:25
to be me saying, oh, come me at
26:27
the house and whatever.
26:28
Okay. How did he
26:31
what what did he say to
26:33
you? Then?
26:34
He's can you come in the house
26:36
now? And then
26:37
when you get
26:37
Sure. Yeah. I know.
26:39
And I proceeded to act like he
26:42
was himself. He has a text messages on the phone. I don't know. I felt
26:44
bad. So when I got there, I
26:45
said, you've
26:46
been using
26:47
Lori's phone to connect with me. He was
26:49
sorry. I've 2
26:50
you. I said, oh, okay. Yeah. You
26:53
did. Luckily, there were some other people there
26:55
that weren't So he got he was changing the
26:57
locks and probably locked the door somewhere.
26:59
He kicked it in so that a
27:01
lot of mess from there. Saw lot that they were there, but there
27:03
was a white silver pretty much, like,
27:05
you know, like, I don't know. It was something
27:07
that I don't know where I got my carpet
27:10
anyway. It was a few
27:11
vehicles, so I didn't know, you know, who III
27:13
suspect it would be her. I
27:15
shouldn't notice
27:16
that your car wasn't Okay.
27:19
What
27:19
kind of car do you drive? I'm in
27:20
infinity cameras, aiming,
27:25
ARC. So
27:29
so you got to the house and
27:32
then you got there and said, yeah, I
27:34
deceived you and
27:35
then What
27:35
was he calling you there for? He
27:37
wanted me to come up with her and get some
27:40
information about her pretty
27:42
much. Oh, okay.
27:43
What did you ask
27:44
you? He
27:44
was asking, like, what's gone into
27:47
her?
27:47
Like, where is she? Right. Where is
27:49
she of course, I didn't say where she I
27:51
didn't know where she was. Too. I didn't tell didn't tell her
27:53
out because I thought it was safer for
27:54
everybody. Yeah. You just basically
27:57
want me to take a 2, I think,
27:59
and just
28:00
you know, they're
28:01
how crazy I was and stuff like
28:04
that
28:04
too. And
28:05
what was your name? Nelly.
28:06
Nelly. Your last
28:07
name? Yep. JIBB.
28:11
Okay. Just because
28:13
for documentation later, what's your date
28:16
of birth?
28:19
So okay. So he had you come there. I was asking you
28:21
questions. So, like, is this something
28:23
that's happened before? Or is
28:24
this, like No. No. No. Unfortunately,
28:27
like, I don't even
28:28
know. Hotels just, like, calm down or
28:30
something, you know. So we've done that
28:32
before. What what is it? Like, that motivates
28:35
him doing this kind of stuff. Is it did you
28:37
say one? He
28:37
just goes nuts sometimes. Just goes
28:40
nuts. Time I I caught him cheating and
28:42
I had evidence and I told him about
28:44
it and he travels a lot for
28:46
business. So I told him about that. I told him
28:48
not to come home and that his stuff would be gone
28:50
and that his car would be gone and all
28:52
this
28:52
thing. So he has a little
28:55
mask. She's just pretty pretty small.
28:56
Yeah. But
28:57
I just left with the kids because I didn't want them in the
28:59
hall of the drawer. Yeah. Then
29:02
you took your phone in person. Has he
29:04
tried to make contact with you since? He's
29:06
gonna try to
29:07
contact me through her. He has to I don't
29:08
have a
29:09
way to be contacted. I was
29:11
I didn't know when her phone I couldn't contact her.
29:14
Nobody could contact me. I just went and bought a
29:16
phone, so I could have a phone
29:17
level. Yeah. Will throw away. Sounds like
29:20
Have you called him to ask him if
29:22
he'd bring your stuff
29:23
back? Well,
29:23
he talked to her about it. So
29:27
Hey, boss.
29:27
Yeah. Because I said, would you be willing to give
29:29
me the purse for glory?
29:32
You know? And
29:34
he goes, no. Unless she does business, you know. I'm
29:36
always No. No. Speaking general is
29:38
2 not
29:39
specific.
29:39
She wants me to
29:40
meet him at therapy today
29:41
or something. Or
29:44
something. I mean, the person He doesn't
29:46
gonna give you the person. He just is saying he'd give it
29:48
to me if I meet him there.
29:50
Okay. I don't
29:50
really wanna talk to him today, but I don't have
29:53
to. So
29:53
Okay. Yeah.
29:55
So if we get if we
29:57
have him bring the purse back
29:59
Are
29:59
we all good? Like, I
30:02
mean, you're not
30:04
willing to meet with him at it
30:06
with with a therapist
30:07
or anything? Well They're trying to get it 2.
30:09
I don't want to meet with him because I don't
30:11
know. He's very sneaky. So, like, what he'll
30:13
do is meet me in the parking lot.
30:16
Mess around with
30:16
me, you know, whatever. Like, he's not gonna just What
30:18
if we can walk into their If they'll
30:20
come here, we can facilitate
30:23
him giving your first
30:23
back. That
30:24
would be fun.
30:26
I'm
30:26
gonna try that. I know he
30:28
has it
30:29
because he Obviously,
30:31
he's texting. Yeah. I was texting all my and all
30:33
my family and the kids too. Yeah. Definitely.
30:35
That was our fun. So we know it was sending it
30:37
to her because he What
30:39
what's he texting you?
30:41
He well, I have the tags. He
30:43
was
30:43
basically
30:43
just texting me. He's
30:46
acting like that my son was in danger. I
30:48
was worried about January things
30:50
in texting her,
30:51
like, he's gonna So he at first
30:53
texted me. You did okay today. Hey,
30:55
girl. Are you sick? Please
30:57
your mom, I may not
30:59
be home for a bit. Love
31:01
you. Send me a strange link to
31:03
a website about our church -- Okay.
31:05
-- guide people. Yeah. So this
31:08
is what's happening, and then he texted me at
31:10
almost midnight. I'm so but I
31:12
have no
31:12
choice. I'm just sick of danger. I
31:14
had no choice. Which I'm
31:16
he didn't file a police report
31:19
or anything as far as we know. So I'm just
31:21
assuming he was trying to get a
31:22
2, and then I love you.
31:25
He was
31:25
report about what? I
31:26
don't know. But he it was acting like
31:28
he did something. And then
31:30
those text messages came from
31:32
Do you have it entered his mom's phone? Or
31:35
No.
31:35
That was from his before he didn't
31:36
test before he didn't take the house until eight
31:38
thirty.
31:38
This was last night.
31:40
That's school. That's from husband. And he was sending
31:41
word for word the same text to
31:43
my cousin, like What
31:46
what's his name?
31:48
Charles. What's
31:49
his phone number? You're
31:50
the same last name, do you understand?
31:52
Yeah. Cravallo.
31:54
Charles Gallo. So my
31:57
friend only my friend that's a police officer.
31:59
He said, go file a report. I was sharing
32:02
her also. Don't wanna do all that stuff. I
32:04
just wanted to to be on record and if you can
32:06
get the purse back, that'd be lovely because all my stuff
32:08
is there. I'm really mad about my
32:10
lip gloss. Well, he
32:12
has all the cards and all
32:15
the stuff. So he's mad because I took the money out of our account.
32:17
It's a joint account, so he wants me to give
32:19
him money. Okay. That's all a civil
32:21
issue. Yeah.
32:21
That's what I'm saying right
32:22
now. Purse. There's
32:23
no reason why he's walking around with your purse.
32:25
Your ID, that he doesn't have a
32:27
right Right.
32:28
That's that's what I'm saying. All the rest of the stuff
32:30
is our joint stuff together. Yeah.
32:33
Yeah.
32:33
Alright. We're
32:35
gonna leave the room temporarily. We're gonna try to give
32:38
them a call, see if we can get this
32:39
rectified. That'd be
32:40
great. Thank you. Alright.
32:54
Okay. You want to take hold of me? You want
32:57
me to I don't know. This
32:59
one's a little confusing for me
33:00
honestly. I'm holding school. Oh,
33:03
yeah. You're I would actually
33:05
Yeah. Okay.
33:09
Charles. Charles.
33:10
Hello. Hi. This is officer Heating to WPD.
33:12
Is this Charles? Hey,
33:15
Charles. The reason I'm calling right
33:17
now is your your wife's at police
33:20
department claiming you stole her purse and
33:23
her cellphone. Okay.
33:28
You you realize they don't
33:31
belong to you. Correct? Okay.
33:35
So that that's a civil issue, and she's responsible
33:38
for every penny when you guys if
33:40
you guys end up going through divorce
33:42
proceedings? Okay.
33:49
And you also texted
33:51
a friend to meet you at the house
33:53
last night? Under the
33:55
guise that you were her?
33:57
What was that for? So
33:59
you texted a friend of hers to meet you
34:01
at the house last night
34:03
using her cell
34:05
phone. What what was that all about?
34:09
Oh, this
34:10
morning. Okay.
34:18
Yeah. We we read the report from earlier
34:20
today regarding you not being able to get
34:23
into the house and everything. So
34:27
I don't I
34:29
do not have the order in
34:31
front of me, so III do I
34:34
cannot do
34:34
that. It's gotta be
34:38
approved, and I know I cannot keep
34:40
her from I cannot get her well, it's gotta
34:42
go to our
34:43
sergeant. Who's got to call, verify that it's good,
34:45
and then we get
34:48
dispatched. So
34:53
So that this is how
34:55
the process works. And I
34:58
can't I can't keep somebody against their
35:00
will
35:01
without a warrant are the
35:03
valid well,
35:06
I'm I'm telling
35:08
you
35:09
right now we have process. You come here
35:11
and you turn it in. It goes to a sergeant. Sergeant calls
35:13
the doctor.
35:14
Okay. Well,
35:15
I don't I don't
35:18
have that. And for all we know it's do
35:20
not know.
35:22
What what I'm concerned about
35:26
So what? Yeah.
35:28
What? That's that's
35:31
not that's that's not what I'm
35:33
I'm discussing a whole separate
35:35
issue. You right now. And that's
35:36
her, again, her belongings back.
35:38
Okay. You're saying
35:40
it's at the house?
35:42
Would you change the lock zone. Correct? So she
35:45
doesn't have access to? Yes.
35:52
So unless you wanna be charged with theft, we need we need to
35:54
get that purse back to her. If you wanna
35:56
come here with the purse and that
35:57
order, we can get this all try kinda trying
35:59
to figure out. 2
36:02
the purse and
36:05
her cellphone. Yeah.
36:08
Okay. So how soon can you
36:10
be here? We're we're at the police department, seventy
36:12
five East Civic Center
36:13
Drive? Gilbert Warner.
36:16
Thank you. How long? Not
36:19
that. But
36:20
he says he's come with
36:22
the order.
36:23
He says, that should get interesting.
36:25
He's gonna
36:25
get real interesting.
36:27
I don't even know. So
36:30
Alright.
36:31
This is good. Yeah.
36:34
He just goes not sometimes, but this time
36:36
I caught him cheating and I had
36:38
evidence that I told him about it and he
36:40
travels a lot for business, so I told him about it.
36:43
I told him not to come home and
36:45
that his stuff be that would gone, Lori said. Well,
36:47
that seems sufficient for the police.
36:49
Then she said that it must
36:51
be true. Right? The police
36:54
called Charles had asked him to return Lori's
36:56
purse and inform him that it is against the
36:58
law to take it. Charles
37:00
brought the purse to the
37:02
police station and contacted nine eleven to request an
37:04
officer's server with a mental health
37:06
petition. Charles told the dispatcher
37:08
that his wife has lost
37:10
her MARPOL. After saying that
37:12
an officer will call dispatch
37:14
hangs up. Charles phones again
37:16
to confirm that he will receive the petition
37:18
from the police. While Lori
37:20
was at the police station, officers
37:22
explained the mental health petition to Lori
37:24
and advised her to visit community
37:26
bridges if she wanted to
37:28
resolve it. They reported that Charles was en route with the
37:30
petition and purse. An
37:32
officer wrote in the report, during
37:34
my contact with Lori, I
37:36
found it to be in a
37:38
normal state of mind, but only
37:40
slightly upset. She did not
37:42
have her property. Laurie showed
37:44
no signs of mental distress as
37:46
she described what was
37:48
occurring and appeared to be in a good
37:50
mood. Talking with Lori's daughter and
37:52
friend, they did not seem concerned
37:54
for anything. Other than Lori getting her property back, he then slipped
37:56
her a note and asked her to dinner at Applebee's
37:58
that night. Okay. Wait. That that part didn't
38:00
happen, but very well could have, you
38:02
know, 2 say.
38:04
Another officer who wanted to get a hot date with Lori. I mean, another
38:06
officer who talked with Charles that
38:09
morning reported during my
38:11
conversation with Charles I found his
38:13
demeanor for in circumstances, he seemed more
38:16
concerned with asking questions about
38:18
the legality financial
38:21
withdrawals Lori had made than her alleged
38:23
incoherence, the officer writes.
38:26
Because who
38:28
would concerned about a crazy person having access to their finances.
38:30
2 I mean, it's just money. Right?
38:32
I mean, that's just
38:34
that's just so extreme. Laurel
38:37
exactly softened for a medical evaluation on February first twenty nineteen
38:39
and was discharged a few hours
38:41
later. Those mental health people want to validate
38:43
with her too.
38:46
The following month Charles filed an order of protection against his
38:48
wife and provided more information on
38:51
Lori's threats. He wrote She
38:53
told me that she was a god
38:56
and was assigned to carry out the
38:58
work of the one hundred forty four
39:00
thousand at Christ
39:02
second coming in July of twenty
39:03
twenty. She said I was in the way and she would have
39:05
to murder me if I tried
39:07
to stop
39:09
her. Less than six months later, Charles
39:12
Valo was murdered. Maybe
39:14
the police should have taken this a little
39:16
more seriously.
39:18
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39:22
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