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discretion is strongly advised. True

1:01

North True Crime is produced on the territories of

1:03

the Coast Salish people.

1:05

So this

1:15

whole thing with him going missing and everything

1:18

it was I became so passionate

1:20

about it because I had an older

1:22

brother who had actually

1:25

gotten into a car crash. Then when

1:27

I got pregnant with my son this was

1:29

my first baby.

1:31

I knew my son wasn't gonna be able

1:33

to have that connection because

1:35

he's already missing out on his grandmother

1:38

and his uncle, his oldest uncle. Now

1:41

he's gonna miss out on this too.

1:43

I just love my family and everything's about

1:45

family. I'm glad that my son

1:47

has that relationship with my dad but it's

1:50

really hard on me to know that he

1:53

won't have those connections with those three

1:55

other people that should be like super tight

1:57

with him. When I got

4:05

In this episode we are talking about the 2019 disappearance

4:08

of 42 year old Lawrence Maitland. Lawrence

4:12

was a resident of the community of Lacquillams,

4:14

British Columbia. In July of 2019,

4:18

Lawrence was last seen walking his bike down

4:20

a street near his home. Days

4:22

later, his family was unable to get in touch with

4:24

him and he was reported missing. After

4:27

many searches, his family still has not been

4:29

given any answers. However, it

4:31

has become very obvious that

4:33

there are people in the village of Lacquillams who do

4:35

know something and are not being forthcoming.

4:39

Lawrence Maitland was last seen in the village

4:41

of Lacquillams in mid-July of 2019. He

4:45

is described as a First Nations male,

4:47

5'9", and weighing about 187 pounds. He

4:50

has black hair, slicked in a mohawk,

4:53

with a goatee. Anyone

4:55

with information about his disappearance is asked to

4:57

call the Prince Rupert RCMP or to

5:00

submit a tip anonymously, you

5:02

can go to the Crime Stoppers website or

5:04

call 1-800-222-8477. There

5:09

has been very little media coverage of this case

5:11

so we put it together using a handful of news

5:14

articles. We also spoke to Lawrence's

5:16

family including his sister Karen,

5:19

his sister-in-law Alexis, and his

5:21

mother Kathy. It was actually Alexis

5:23

who contacted us to cover this case. She

5:25

organized her family to help us with

5:28

the details of Lawrence's life. Throughout

5:30

the episode, we will be using some audio from

5:32

our Zoom interview with Alexis and Karen.

5:36

We do need to let you know that the interview

5:38

was conducted on a weekend

5:40

when the house was full of people including

5:42

some kids who were playing in the background.

5:45

While we always strive to have the best audio possible,

5:49

we do understand that many Canadians live in

5:51

multi-generational households. As

5:53

we all learned in 2020, sometimes

5:55

kids interrupt Zoom calls. We

5:58

recognize that sitting in a quiet, quiet, quiet place is a very important part of our room

6:00

for an hour is a privilege that most

6:02

Canadian families simply do not have.

6:05

Personally, we love kids, however,

6:07

we have done our best to reduce or

6:09

cut around any of that interference. I

6:12

want to add here that asking families to do a

6:14

one hour sit down interview is a pretty huge

6:17

thing to ask. It is incredibly emotional

6:19

and brave. Asking them to relive

6:21

their pain a second time because the

6:24

audio got interrupted is something that we

6:26

just simply won't do. So

6:29

we have tremendous gratitude to Alexis and Karen

6:31

for speaking to us and for sharing with us

6:33

so candidly. So with that

6:35

said, if you do have any auditory sensitivities,

6:38

hopefully that won't impede you from hearing

6:40

this incredibly important story of a

6:42

missing brother, son and uncle. As

6:45

an additional content warning, this episode covers

6:47

topics of substance misuse, homicide,

6:50

and also suicide.

6:52

As we briefly mentioned, we wanted to use

6:54

this episode as a way to talk about an issue

6:57

that has long remained out of the media

6:59

spotlight. We are talking about missing

7:01

and murdered indigenous men and boys. This

7:04

has been a pretty open secret in Canada that

7:06

is backed up by data. After

7:09

years of silence, we now see that missing and murdered

7:11

indigenous women and girls are finally getting some

7:13

of the media attention they deserve, and we

7:16

hope that this episode can help bring the issue

7:18

of missing and murdered indigenous men and boys to

7:20

the forefront as well. In the

7:22

past, we have covered several MMI-MB

7:25

cases, including 16-year-old Colton

7:27

Flurry from Prince George, 14-year-old

7:30

Luke Deger Ness from Prince George, the

7:32

Jack family from Prince George, and 29-year-old

7:35

Daniel

7:35

Rayock from Squamish, British Columbia.

7:38

I'm a bit of a data and stats kind of guy,

7:40

so we want to offer some statistics that kind

7:42

of back up the issue. According to

7:44

a CBC article in 2020, indigenous

7:48

men were seven times more likely to die

7:50

by homicide than non-indigenous

7:52

people in Canada. Statistics

7:54

Canada said that in 2020, that men

7:57

accounted for more than 80% of the

9:05

members

10:00

in the Lacquillams Band with about 646 of those members

10:03

living in the village

10:05

of Lacquillams where this case takes place.

10:08

The people of the village tend to work in fishing

10:10

and other natural resource industries. There

10:12

is a fish processing plant on the island

10:14

that employs quite a few people during

10:16

the fishing seasons. Like

10:19

we stated earlier the only way to get into

10:21

the village is by a water taxi or the

10:23

car ferry. The ferry is run

10:25

by the nation. The spirit of

10:27

Lacquillams Ferry runs about twice a day

10:29

with more trips on the weekends. An interesting

10:32

note that will come up later in the episode is that

10:34

residents must register with their ID

10:37

in advance in order to board the

10:39

ferry. Payments can be made on

10:41

the ferry or at the band office. According

10:45

to what we have learned Lacquillams can have

10:47

a remote feel with many of its residents

10:49

preferring a lifestyle that has a more traditional

10:51

community feeling. Lawrence's sister

10:54

Karen shared with us what life is like

10:56

for some people in the community. Living

10:58

on a reserve like that a lot some

11:02

that are born and raised there they

11:04

are used

11:05

to it. They love the smaller

11:07

community life. They love knowing that

11:09

they can allow their kids to go outside and play

11:12

and everybody in the community will make

11:14

sure that they get home on time or

11:16

you could go on the

11:20

VHF and be like, has anybody seen

11:22

my child out there yell out and send them home? And

11:24

that's what people would do. They would yell out the door, hold

11:28

on your mom's calling

11:29

for you. You know that type of thing. It's

11:31

like that close of a knit of a community.

11:34

There's a lot of people that love

11:36

that type of thing about living on living on

11:38

in a reserve. And then there are those

11:40

that

11:41

I want to break free. I need

11:43

off this island and they start acting

11:46

out and doing things

11:48

to try and liven up their

11:50

own life to make something

11:53

more

11:53

exciting.

11:54

Lawrence Douglas Mayland was born in

11:56

Prince Rupert on March 19th, 1977. He

12:00

was the oldest of six kids with two younger brothers

12:02

and three younger sisters.

12:04

Later on, when the family became blended with

12:07

five step-siblings, Lawrence became

12:09

the eldest of eleven siblings. His

12:11

mother is Kathleen Maitland and his father

12:14

is Lawrence Maitland. Many of Lawrence's

12:16

family live in the north in communities

12:18

like Prince Rupert or Terrace. However,

12:21

Lawrence grew up separate from most of his siblings.

12:24

Most of them grew up in the Prince Rupert area, but

12:27

from a young age Lawrence moved who lacked the lamps

12:29

to live with his grandparents Miriam and Douglas

12:32

Green. Lawrence loved his grandparents

12:34

very much and developed a very special bond with

12:36

his grandfather. It seemed that Lawrence

12:38

learned a more traditional upbringing with

12:41

his granddad and became a student of the

12:43

outdoors. He became skillful at

12:45

wild craft techniques like berry picking,

12:47

seaweed harvesting, fishing, and winter

12:49

preparation skills like cutting wood. In

12:52

Lawrence's teens he got into drinking

12:55

and cannabis use and unfortunately the drinking

12:57

would stick with him for many years to come

12:59

and present some issues. In his

13:01

twenties Lawrence did have some run-ins

13:04

with law enforcement, however there were

13:06

no records of these types of issues

13:08

past the age of 31. In

13:10

his thirties Lawrence spent most of his days helping

13:13

his grandparents and earning a living.

13:15

Here is his sister Karen who gave us an idea

13:18

of Lawrence's day to day life and what he

13:20

did for work.

13:21

Everything outdoorsy.

13:26

Any type of seasonal thing like if

13:28

it was a berry season he would be out

13:30

picking berries. If it was just

13:32

before winter he was cutting wood

13:35

and chopping wood for the elders in Loughlin

13:38

as well as our

13:40

grandfather, our grandmother, our

13:43

aunties and uncles in Loughlin. Whatever

13:47

the season was, whatever that season

13:49

was

13:49

is what he liked to do and is always

13:52

outdoors for so. He absolutely

13:54

adored being outdoorsy, hated being

13:56

like a house cat. He was not a house

13:59

cat at all.

14:01

He did

14:02

work seasonally

14:05

at the fish plant in Lachlan.

14:08

I'm not sure what the company was called,

14:11

but he also worked with my uncle

14:14

and my uncle did

14:16

renovations, home renovations. I

14:18

don't know if it was actually behind like a

14:20

company

14:21

name type thing, but I know

14:23

that they helped a lot of members in the community

14:26

helping with home renovations that couldn't get

14:28

done. You know,

14:31

it was a more affordable way, basically.

14:33

We asked Karen about Lawrence's personality.

14:36

She shared with us that she remembers nights when

14:38

she was going through some issues and was struggling

14:40

to sleep. Lawrence would

14:43

post the Soft Kitty song on her timeline.

14:46

Sometimes he would even call her and sing it

14:48

to her. And for those who aren't familiar, Soft

14:50

Kitty is a lullaby that was sung to Sheldon

14:53

in the Big Bang Theory TV show when his

14:55

character was sick. Karen

14:57

also remembered how great he was with kids.

15:00

She told us a story about her daughter who was throwing a

15:02

tantrum. She was kicking and screaming. And

15:04

Lawrence picked her up and started tickling her.

15:07

Very quickly, her toddler started laughing and

15:09

gave up her tantrum. It was

15:11

in moments like this that Karen felt Lawrence

15:14

would be a great father.

15:16

When we had brought my son Sherwin

15:19

after he was born, we brought him to Prince

15:21

Rupert

15:21

to introduce

15:25

my grandfather and Lawrence to my

15:27

baby.

15:28

It was like the look Lawrence

15:31

had holding my baby. It

15:33

was like,

15:34

I'm going to love this baby forever. That

15:37

Lawrence tense feeling that you see

15:40

on a father for their first time holding

15:42

their baby, right? We asked Karen if

15:44

Lawrence had any serious romantic relationships

15:47

in his adult life. He was

15:49

in very, very few relationships

15:52

in his life.

15:54

He was very, not particular,

15:57

but I don't

15:59

know, safe.

15:59

I guess you can say. One

16:02

of the longest relationships that he was

16:04

in before was, she had children

16:08

already and he considered

16:11

them his. And at

16:14

that time, this was a long, long time,

16:16

like many, many years ago, like way

16:18

long ago. I think when

16:21

they were in a relationship, I was, we were all living

16:23

in Prince Rupert back then. And

16:25

I'm pretty sure I was in high school. So

16:28

it was a long time ago.

16:31

But yeah, he was,

16:32

he was, that's one of the

16:34

things that he always wanted was to be a father.

16:37

He wanted someone that he can teach all

16:39

of the stuff that our grandfather taught

16:41

him.

16:42

His mother Kathy added a written message

16:44

stating that he loved to go fishing and

16:46

would share anything he caught with elders in our

16:48

family. Same when he went picking

16:50

seaweed, he'd share with the family. In

16:53

summertime, he'd pick berries, which people bought

16:55

from him and he had a lot of buyers for that.

16:58

He always got hired to do people's lawns as well.

17:01

In his spare time, he'd always walked the forest

17:03

in hopes of seeing the Sasquatch, as

17:06

there was evidence of him being around the area

17:08

outside the res. He was a quiet

17:10

and shy person, but he could be loud when

17:12

he was drinking. He loved to help

17:14

people and showed it every day to

17:17

his grandfather, who he called dad.

17:20

When dad got too old to do anything, that's

17:22

when Lawrence practically gave up everything

17:24

to look after him.

17:26

So in 2018, Lawrence

17:28

was living with his grandfather in Lacquillams.

17:31

His grandmother had passed away a few

17:33

years earlier.

17:34

As mentioned, Lawrence took great

17:36

care of his grandfather. He would take

17:39

care of the property, he'd chop wood

17:41

for the fire, and he would fish and pick berries

17:43

and go on long hikes. He

17:45

was quite well known in the community. However,

17:47

he was most known for taking care of his aging

17:49

grandfather in their shared home near the

17:51

top of Church Street. His

17:54

mom, Kathy, told us that he would have given up

17:56

his life for my dad, his grandfather.

17:58

He took really good care

18:01

of dad. Tragically, in

18:03

April of 2018, Lawrence's

18:05

grandfather, friend, and mentor, Douglas

18:08

Green, passed away suddenly. The

18:10

cause of his death was an undiagnosed

18:13

cancer that took him quickly. The

18:15

loss of Douglas heavily impacted Lawrence.

18:18

In the aftermath, he dealt with his grief and struggled

18:20

to regain his footing. What

18:22

was once his childhood home, a place

18:25

of learning and love, was now a place

18:27

with challenging memories.

18:29

He did suffer, like, occasionally

18:31

he would get depressed. It hit

18:33

him really hard when our grandfather passed away

18:36

because our grandfather was his

18:38

dad, his grandfather, his best friend, his everything,

18:41

right? And yes, Lawrence

18:43

did drink,

18:46

not severely, but he did drink

18:48

and he did smoke marijuana regularly.

18:54

Family members recognized that Lawrence was grieving,

18:57

so they began to make plans with Lawrence

18:59

to have him stay with other relatives so

19:02

that he wasn't in his grief on his own. Leading

19:05

up to his disappearance, there were a number of instances

19:07

in which a plan was made for

19:09

Lawrence's brother, William, to drive to

19:12

Lacquillams to pick Lawrence up and

19:14

bring him back to Terrace. Each

19:16

time the plan was about to be put

19:18

in motion, Lawrence would tell them

19:21

to wait, each time providing

19:23

a different excuse as to why he couldn't leave

19:25

in that moment. Kathy

19:27

stated that it seemed to her that Lawrence

19:30

was having some difficulties with the idea of

19:32

leaving, likely due to the memories

19:34

tied to the house and Lawrence's grandfather.

19:37

We asked Karen a little bit about the plan to

19:39

bring Lawrence back to Terrace.

19:41

I think the whole plan was because

19:44

she saw how much her son

19:46

was hurting over the loss of his

19:48

grandfather,

19:49

and she just wanted him

19:51

to come and mature until

19:53

he can get through that

19:56

grieving process. He just didn't

19:58

want to abandon the house.

20:00

In 2019, while Lawrence was in

20:02

Lacquillams, he was behind on his taxes.

20:05

Kathy helped him file 5 years worth

20:07

of taxes. This turned out to be a good

20:09

thing as Lawrence was owed quite

20:12

a few GST rebate checks. Lawrence

20:15

was to receive 5 separate payments over

20:17

the course of a few months. He received

20:20

the first of those 5 payments in the spring

20:22

of 2019. By the

20:24

summer of 2019, Lawrence was in close

20:26

communication with his family. He

20:28

was dealing with the loss of his grandfather, he had

20:31

some money coming in, and he was making

20:33

plans with his family to possibly leave

20:35

the community for a little while. However

20:38

he seemed hesitant to do so. Family

20:40

members also stated that Lawrence had turned to alcohol

20:43

while dealing with his grief. Leading

20:45

up to his disappearance, Kathy, his mother,

20:47

had been in touch with Lawrence several times by phone.

20:51

The last time Kathy made contact with her

20:53

son Lawrence was on June 27, 2019. This

20:57

was a phone call made to Lawrence's landline

20:59

phone. The conversation again

21:02

consisted of discussions about what

21:04

to do with his grandfather's house in Lacquillams

21:07

as well as a plan for him to move to Terrace

21:10

to be with his mother. As we stated

21:12

earlier, this discussion was not the first of

21:14

its kind as there had been a

21:16

number of similar discussions between Lawrence and his

21:19

mother prior to this occasion. Pinpointing

21:22

the last sightings of Lawrence has been

21:24

slightly difficult as we have heard three

21:26

different dates, but we do know it

21:29

was mid-July of 2019.

21:32

Kathy believes the last sighting of Lawrence

21:34

in Lacquillams apparently was July 13, 2019. Witnesses,

21:39

who we understand were his cousins, were

21:42

unloading groceries when they saw Lawrence.

21:45

He was walking down the street with his bike, quite

21:47

inebriated, and in the company of a

21:50

friend. The details of

21:52

this story have been reported in various news

21:54

articles, however the dates change.

21:57

CFTK-TV states,

21:59

Maitland was last seen pushing his bicycle on

22:02

Victoria Street in the village in mid-July of 2019.

22:06

Terrace Standard reports, Maitland was

22:08

last seen in Lacquillands on July 17th or

22:10

18th around 2pm. Maitland

22:13

was wearing all-black clothing, including

22:15

black work boots and black sunglasses.

22:18

Last reports have him walking with a mountain bike

22:20

on Victoria Street. The North Coast

22:23

Review blog states, Lawrence was

22:25

last seen pushing his bicycle on Victoria

22:27

Street in Lacquillands in mid-July 2019 and

22:30

has not been seen since. The

22:32

official RCMP release from 2019 states the following.

22:37

Lawrence Douglas Maitland was last seen

22:39

between July 17th and 18th

22:41

pushing his bicycle on Victoria Street

22:43

in Lacquillands at approximately 2pm. Since

22:47

he was reported missing, police are actively

22:50

working to determine Lawrence's whereabouts.

22:53

So it's unclear exactly the date Lawrence

22:55

was last seen. It is clear,

22:57

however, that Lawrence was in the company of a friend,

23:00

he had his bike with him, and appeared to

23:02

be under the influence of alcohol around

23:04

2pm.

23:06

Kathy attempted to call Lawrence several times

23:08

on his landline, but there was no answer. All

23:11

other attempts to reach Lawrence on social media

23:13

or by phone after July 17th

23:16

went unanswered. Kathy began calling

23:18

various friends and family in Lacquillands

23:21

to try to locate Lawrence after July 18th. She

23:24

had messaged a couple of people to go

23:27

up to the house to check on Lawrence. Those

23:29

who went to the house reported back to Kathy

23:31

stating that the door was locked and there

23:33

was no answer. Believing

23:36

that the door was locked, Kathy assumed that Lawrence

23:38

was still in Lacquillands and he just wasn't home,

23:40

maybe he was at a friend's or maybe he was

23:42

fishing or on a hike or something. Then

23:45

according to the family, shortly after the first

23:47

attempt to knock on Lawrence's door, Kathy

23:50

called her niece, Leanne, to go check at Lawrence's

23:52

house, as once again, her

23:54

calls to Lawrence were going unanswered. Leanne

23:57

had agreed to send her husband Marcus up

23:59

to the house to check. check. Now upon

24:01

arrival, Marcus found that the door was actually unlocked

24:04

this time, and all of Lawrence's belongings

24:07

were still inside. His wallet

24:09

was on the bed, and his iPad was also

24:11

on the bed charging. So

24:13

this time people checked Lawrence's house, they found that

24:15

the door was unlocked, and all of his important

24:18

belongings were inside. People stated that

24:20

it was as if Lawrence had left in

24:22

a hurry, or he was expecting to return.

24:24

It's important to note here that Lawrence's

24:27

bike was also not at home. Keep

24:29

in mind that according to witnesses, he was last seen

24:31

with his bike, and from what we've

24:34

learned, his bike has never been found. Karen

24:36

and Alexis expanded on the state

24:38

of Lawrence's home for us.

24:40

When we did go to Port Simpson, his bike

24:42

was not there. His work boots

24:45

were there. There was a cup

24:47

of coffee on the counter, sorry,

24:50

on the stand by his seat. All

24:53

of his general belongings was in the house, so

24:56

it seemed like

24:58

he had jumped up and ran out the door.

25:00

Yeah,

25:01

Kathy sent his wallet that was on

25:03

the bed. The iPad was left charging in

25:05

the bedroom, it was left on the bed.

25:07

Just like she said, it was like he just opened

25:10

walk out. Yeah, no shoes, nothing. He

25:12

had an emergency call

25:15

type thing. Like, come help me

25:17

type thing. That's why when I emailed

25:19

you, I said exactly that. I said it had to be

25:21

somebody

25:22

who coerced him to come out of the house

25:24

with either an emergency situation, or

25:27

they probably egged him on to fight,

25:30

which Kathy said that he might

25:32

have followed through with something

25:33

like that, but it

25:36

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25:42

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before the break, we outlined the life and disappearance

27:37

of 42-year-old Lawrence Maitland. We

27:40

asked Karen and Alexis how they found out

27:42

about Lawrence's disappearance and what they

27:44

learned in the days after.

27:46

Kathy began calling various friends and family

27:48

in Fort Smithson to try and locate more

27:51

on June 28th.

27:53

As each attempt to call Lawrence's landline

27:55

went unanswered. She had messaged

27:58

a couple people to go to the house to check on the landline. Lawrence

28:00

and those who went to the house have stated to Kathy

28:02

that the door was locked and there was no

28:05

answer which told her that

28:07

Lawrence was still alive he just

28:09

wasn't home

28:10

and he would have locked the door so

28:12

he was just out. Kathy believed

28:14

it was her uncle Jackie who told the RCMP

28:17

to report Lawrence missing because on

28:20

the 28th she tried to contact

28:22

him and there was no answer and then on July

28:24

13th

28:25

she had again called people

28:28

and one of them was her niece and

28:29

to go check the house for

28:32

Lawrence because

28:34

nobody was answering the phone there.

28:36

So on the 13th she called her niece Deann

28:38

and then Deann agreed

28:41

to send her husband Marcus up

28:43

to the house to check for Lawrence. When

28:45

Marcus got there he found the door was unlocked

28:48

and all of Lawrence's belongings were still inside.

28:51

His wallet was on the bed and his iPad was

28:53

also on the bed charging. She,

28:56

a direct call from her was it were as though

28:58

he just got up and walked out and she believes

29:00

it was her

29:00

uncle Jackie who called the RCMP

29:02

to report Lawrence missing.

29:04

So again there is some confusion

29:06

around the dates it seems that while Kathy spoke

29:08

to Lawrence on the 27th of June she

29:11

was unable to contact him after that

29:13

date then his last sighting

29:15

was either on July 13th 17th

29:17

or 18th. When family

29:19

members entered Lawrence's home they found

29:21

a cup of coffee on the counter, his boots,

29:24

an iPad, charging on

29:26

his bed and other items that Lawrence

29:28

used frequently. All of these

29:30

items appeared to have been recently used.

29:33

This indicated to the family that Lawrence was

29:36

home and possibly had left

29:38

his home in some kind of hurry or

29:40

that he had been coaxed out of his home. Although

29:43

the reasons are not clear what is clear

29:45

is that Lawrence did not pack items as

29:48

if he was intentionally leaving his

29:50

home for a period of time. Lawrence's

29:52

uncle Jackie contacted the RCMP to

29:55

report Lawrence as a missing person and

29:57

he also organized the initial civilian search.

30:00

family members and friends traveled from Prince

30:02

Rupert and terrace to help in the searches. Searchers

30:06

searched around Lacquillams

30:08

as well as the surrounding areas. They

30:10

even traveled over to Finlayson Island

30:13

and Finlayson Island is the Lacquillam cemetery

30:15

and the traditional burial ground of the Shimshian

30:18

people. After an extensive search

30:20

that was assisted by the RCMP, Lawrence's

30:23

whereabouts remained a mystery. A report

30:26

from the terrace standard on July

30:28

24th, 2019 states, Prince

30:31

Rupert RCMP are still trying to locate

30:33

a Lacquillams man who went missing more than

30:35

a month ago. The RCMP has

30:37

now solicited support from the North

30:40

District to aid with the investigation of Lawrence

30:42

Maitland. The disappearance is

30:44

considered suspicious at this time and

30:47

it is not common behavior

30:48

for Maitland.

30:50

No one has been arrested in connection

30:52

to the case. Checks began

30:54

to arrive at the local post office for Lawrence

30:57

from the government. These checks were never claimed

30:59

and remain uncashed. Then

31:02

on September 4th, 2019 the

31:05

RCMP called off the search. RCMP

31:08

also released the following statement about Lawrence's

31:11

disappearance. Since he was

31:13

reported missing police are actively working

31:15

to determine Lawrence's whereabouts. The

31:17

RCMP continue to have members dedicated

31:20

to this file and have solicited support

31:22

from North District to aid with

31:24

the investigation. They

31:26

went on to say that the disappearance is considered

31:28

suspicious and that no one had been arrested in

31:30

connection, but they also said while

31:33

there are other active investigations in

31:35

the community and arrests made in relation

31:38

to those files, they are completely

31:40

unrelated to Lawrence's disappearance. Police

31:43

believe that Lawrence's disappearance is an isolated

31:45

incident and have no information to suggest

31:47

that the greater public is at further risk. They

31:50

went on to say that they are asking for the public's assistance

31:53

and to contact the Prince Rupert RCMP

31:56

with any information. So

31:58

there are a few things of no in this RCMP

32:01

statement. The first is that

32:03

at that point Lawrence's disappearance

32:05

was now considered suspicious in

32:07

nature. This seems to be no longer

32:10

a simple missing person who has

32:12

perhaps vacated his life intentionally.

32:15

The RCMP also state that while

32:18

there are other active investigations in

32:20

the community and arrests made

32:22

in relation to those files they are completely

32:25

unrelated to Lawrence's disappearance. Meaning

32:27

of course that certain people have been

32:29

detained or interviewed however these

32:32

detentions are not related to

32:35

Lawrence. They also state that the

32:37

police believe that Lawrence's disappearance

32:39

is an isolated incident. This indicates

32:42

that based on the information that they have learned

32:45

Lawrence's disappearance is a contained

32:47

incident and not related to other

32:49

investigations or a larger threat. Lastly

32:52

they ask for anyone with any

32:54

information to reach out to the RCMP or

32:57

of course you can reach out to Crimestoppers. This

32:59

is always an indication that they are looking

33:01

for additional leads that can help solve this

33:04

suspicious situation. The

33:06

public really can help in these scenarios

33:08

by providing an important piece of the puzzle.

33:11

While

33:11

the RCMP do not comment on open

33:13

investigations we have learned some things.

33:16

It's important to note that when the Prince Rupert

33:19

RCMP members are dispatched to L'Aquilamps

33:21

the house they use as a home base

33:24

is right across the street from where Lawrence

33:26

was living. The general duty

33:28

members in the village knew Lawrence and

33:30

were familiar with him and his family. He

33:33

wasn't a stranger in a massive metropolis

33:35

of a city. This is a tight-knit community

33:37

where everyone knows everyone.

33:40

The community is very

33:41

small with roughly 600 people living there

33:43

and at the time Lawrence had a very

33:45

small friend group and if you recall

33:48

he was seen with one of his friends around the time he

33:50

went missing. So we ask Karen

33:52

a little bit about Lawrence's friend group.

34:02

Very, the one that

34:04

I really that I know well is

34:06

was like aggressive

34:08

and used

34:12

alcohol quite

34:14

often like more than reparationally

34:17

type things. And same

34:19

with same with marijuana. It was I

34:21

don't know, I don't know about heavy drugs,

34:24

but yeah. We asked if Lawrence

34:26

ever had disagreements with his close friends.

34:29

They have they've always had like mini quarrels

34:32

like the small sites like about

34:34

who's paying for fuel because they're going

34:36

fishing, who's buying the next bottle,

34:39

who's buying the next bag

34:42

of weed or you know that type of thing or

34:44

borrowing money from each other, you know, the basic

34:46

small things that

34:49

friends would have for all of those.

34:52

So we do know that within the first year of Lawrence's

34:54

disappearance that at least four people were

34:56

interviewed in relation to his case. Three

34:59

people consisted of his close friend

35:01

who he was last seen with and there were two women

35:03

as well, one of whom was pregnant at the time

35:06

and another man who owned a fishing boat. As

35:09

the investigation went on, there were multiple

35:11

properties searched and one boat. There

35:14

was also an odd occurrence on Facebook.

35:17

Here's what Karen and Alexis had to say about the investigation

35:20

as well as that Facebook post.

35:23

Oh, I'm not 100% sure

35:25

when they actually decided

35:28

that it was suspicious. I

35:30

think it started

35:30

at first. We there

35:32

was a lot of rumors going around while

35:34

we were doing the searches and

35:36

when those rumors

35:39

arose, the cops actually did

35:41

pull a few people that was in the search party

35:44

and questioned them regarding

35:47

some of the rumors that had gone around. There was

35:49

one there was also a post

35:51

on Facebook of a person

35:53

that was intoxicated saying that

35:57

my brother was murdered. he

36:00

knew where he was, where, where

36:02

it happened and what had happened. Um,

36:04

that post quickly got deleted. I

36:07

don't, um, I don't, I personally

36:10

did not see the post that

36:12

my, someone had sent it to my mom

36:14

and my mom had, um, told

36:17

the cops about the post and then, and

36:19

then they, they further investigated

36:22

from there and kept questioning people cause

36:24

there was, um,

36:25

and they did search one home there

36:27

and they did find blood in the backyard, but

36:30

they couldn't match it to Lawrence's cause

36:32

they could have been fish. It could have been from hunting.

36:35

It could have been right. So, um,

36:38

there was no hard evidence linking

36:40

this person to my

36:42

brother's disappearance, but, um,

36:45

because of the,

36:47

I believe it started out after the

36:49

rumors were going around about, and that

36:51

video that was posted that it was deemed fall

36:54

play and some something happened

36:56

to my brother.

36:57

So there was a property and a boat

36:59

searched and it is rumored that blood was found

37:01

at the home. However, blood

37:04

is not an uncommon occurrence in

37:06

the area where people fish and hunt and clearly

37:08

no arrests have been made. So we can

37:11

kind of assume that that blood was likely

37:13

not human. We asked Karen

37:16

and Alexis to expand on what they knew about

37:18

the video that was posted online.

37:20

There was a person that was intoxicated

37:23

on Facebook. Yeah. He recorded

37:25

himself stating that he

37:27

knew that my brother was murdered

37:29

and that he knew where my brother

37:32

was. The, like I said, the video got,

37:34

um, deleted very quickly

37:37

after, um, people,

37:40

some of the people that I've seen it, messaged

37:43

my mom and told her about

37:45

it. But before we, uh, any

37:47

of us had a chance to actually see it, it got

37:49

deleted. So a drunk person

37:51

posted on Facebook mid day, claiming

37:54

that Lawrence had been murdered and that this person

37:56

knew the details of that altercation.

37:59

We were on.

37:59

unable to confirm as to whether or not

38:02

law enforcement has interviewed this individual

38:04

or if they were able to recover the deleted

38:06

video. We also have

38:09

not watched the contents of the video nor

38:11

do we know exactly what was said.

38:13

We do know a few things. We know

38:15

that the fishing boat guy had his boat

38:18

and property search. We know

38:20

that warrants were posted for

38:22

one of Lawrence's friends after he disappeared.

38:25

Now this warrant was unrelated to the

38:27

disappearance. It's often a tactic

38:29

used that investigators will bring someone

38:32

in on an unrelated warrant to have

38:34

a chat about a different crime. However,

38:37

we have learned that this friend and

38:39

one of the women are no longer in

38:41

Lacquille-Lamps. So where does that leave

38:43

us? Unfortunately, until an

38:46

arrest is made or some new evidence

38:48

is found, we will not have all

38:50

the answers. The rumor

38:52

mill in Lacquille-Lamps is churning and

38:54

the same four names keep being mentioned.

38:58

We asked the family what they have heard.

39:00

The rumors that are going around

39:02

are based around the best friend

39:05

and the gentleman,

39:07

the guy that had his house searched

39:10

and the boat searched. Every

39:12

rumor goes

39:13

back to them. Same

39:15

with the two girls. Apparently

39:17

she was forced to leave the island because of

39:20

things that other things that she had done, aggressive

39:23

behavior, that type of thing. Every

39:25

rumor that I've heard leads back to

39:27

this one group.

39:29

It's clear we have four people who may

39:31

have more information about Lawrence's disappearance.

39:34

They have been interviewed by the police. One

39:36

of them has had his property searched and

39:39

two have left the island. And

39:41

now we are no closer to knowing

39:43

what happened to Lawrence. We asked the family

39:46

their thoughts on the usual theories that

39:48

surround a missing person's case. First

39:51

we asked if Lawrence would willingly leave

39:53

his life.

39:54

No, it is definitely

39:57

not a possibility.

40:00

I guess he did make jokes

40:02

like I'm going to disappear, I'm going to go and I'm going to go

40:04

live in the bush type thing. You know, that

40:07

was a part of our conversations

40:10

that we had a few times. But he

40:12

wouldn't leave his possessions. He wouldn't

40:14

leave. He has specific things that he carries

40:16

with them all the time.

40:18

He has a pack set that he keeps his iPad in.

40:21

He has specific booths that he uses when he leaves

40:23

the house. Like if he were to leave the

40:25

island, he would not have left without those

40:28

specific jackets

40:30

that he uses. And all

40:32

of these things that he finds

40:36

special to him,

40:37

he would not have left any of it. He

40:40

would not have left his

40:42

wallet, his ID's, all

40:45

of basic necessities actually. He would be

40:47

able to leave a place, you need to

40:49

put your name on the ferry. I

40:51

think it's 24 hours before

40:54

you can actually get on the ferry. Besides

40:56

that, the only other way would be a water taxi. And

40:59

he didn't have the financial means to

41:01

use the water taxi to get off of the island. As

41:04

we stated earlier, Lawrence did not have his ID

41:06

with him or important belongings. He

41:09

also had limited finances and was relying

41:11

on those upcoming GST checks. He

41:14

didn't have extra money to take a water taxi

41:16

and would most likely have taken the ferry. However,

41:19

to take the ferry, you need to reserve a spot

41:22

with your government ID and there

41:24

is no record of him leaving the community. We

41:27

asked if it was a possibility for Lawrence to have

41:29

had some kind of accident in the bush,

41:31

maybe while taking a hike.

41:33

Even if he went out on a hike, he still would have used

41:35

those booths.

41:36

He still would have used his, he

41:38

has a specific best study used when he's going

41:41

up in the bush because of all the thorns

41:43

and getting scratched. And he carries

41:45

band-aids and stuff like that in his pack sack.

41:48

He uses a big thermos

41:50

for coffee and he has something separate for water. He

41:53

would not have left without that

41:55

pack sack either. And he takes his iPad

41:57

everywhere with him because he is...

41:59

He's very photo, he loves to take photos, scenic

42:02

photos. If you were to go

42:04

on his Facebook and scroll through

42:07

the picture that he posted, you'll

42:09

see a lot of scenic posts. So

42:12

again, all of Lawrence's things that he would

42:14

need to go into the bush were left

42:17

at his home. The family also does

42:19

not believe that suicide or accidental

42:21

overdose are possibilities. Lawrence

42:24

was not at the time expressing suicidal

42:26

thoughts, and he was not known to be a hard

42:28

drug user. Keep in mind,

42:31

Lawrence was in frequent contact with his mother,

42:33

a brother, and his sisters. They

42:36

knew he was dealing with the loss of his beloved

42:38

grandfather, but he had not expressed

42:40

a desire to not go on living. We

42:43

ask Karen and Alexis what the family's

42:45

theory is.

42:47

Personally, just the way everything

42:51

ended up,

42:51

I honestly think that somebody coerced

42:54

him out of the house

42:56

with an emergency situation, gave

42:58

something to him.

42:59

And because it's an island,

43:02

it's... I've watched enough crime movies

43:04

and shows! You know, but it's so

43:07

easy. Like, we're talking open ocean

43:09

surrounding this little island, and it

43:12

would be so easy for somebody to just stick

43:15

his body in a boat or something and toss him in the

43:17

water

43:18

and come back and ask like nothing ever happened.

43:21

There was actually one

43:24

of the gentlemen that owned

43:26

the house that was

43:27

searched and the blood was in the back. His

43:30

boat was searched as well because there was blood in the

43:32

boat.

43:32

Alexis expanded on her thoughts via

43:35

a written statement after our interview, and

43:37

she said the following. Someone took

43:40

his life

43:40

either on purpose or by accident.

43:42

It seems to be a consensus among Lawrence's

43:45

family that someone took his life, most

43:47

likely on purpose. Personally,

43:49

I believe the same. The

43:52

way it was described that his belongings were just

43:54

left inside the house and the door was unlocked, it

43:56

makes me believe that there is a great possibility

43:59

that someone or someone could be there. or someones, coerced

44:01

Lawrence out of the house, such as faking an emergency

44:04

or egging on a fight.

44:06

Alexis also added that

44:08

the last time an RCMP officer

44:11

spoke with Kathy was either in June

44:13

or July of 2023. An

44:15

officer from the terrorist detachment stated that

44:17

the Prince Rupert RCMP requested

44:20

that she sign a medical release form.

44:23

The family assumes that this was to release Lawrence's

44:25

DNA into a missing persons database.

44:30

We asked Alexis and Karen about the impact that

44:33

Lawrence's disappearance

44:36

has had on their family. Alexis shared with us that she had

44:38

lost her brother a few years back in a car accident

44:41

and that the loss of yet another

44:43

male figure in the family is difficult for her and her children.

44:47

Oh, if I could speak a little bit. So

44:51

when my oldest brother got in a car accident,

44:53

he was in a car accident. He was

44:56

in a car accident. So

44:58

when my oldest brother got in a car accident and

45:01

ultimately died, there was only

45:03

three of us. There's my oldest

45:05

brother and my middle brother and then there's me.

45:08

Watching my mom, it was like

45:11

a life turned off. It just disappeared.

45:13

Like this wasn't my mom anymore.

45:16

So when Lawrence went missing,

45:19

I saw the look on my mother-in-law's face and

45:21

it was exactly the same.

45:23

It was like a life turned off. And

45:25

they're not thinking about, you know, their

45:28

other children in that moment. They're thinking about their one child.

45:31

That's

45:31

their baby. You know, like you

45:33

went through

45:35

sweat and tears and everything else contained

45:37

to bring this child on earth. And now

45:40

you

45:40

don't even know what happened to him.

45:42

Seeing her in that state, I was just,

45:45

I wanted to hug her. It's

45:47

just been really hard. And at

45:50

the same time,

45:52

watching his siblings, it

45:54

was

45:55

like me and my other brother. Like

45:58

you got so many questions. you don't know

46:00

where to turn and you don't know how to feel

46:03

and like are you supposed

46:05

to be the strong one or should I

46:06

give that to somebody else in the family?

46:09

Should I break down on my knees? And that's

46:12

the type of thing that siblings go through

46:14

when they lose a sibling.

46:15

And I've been

46:17

there and I had to watch my

46:19

husband do it like he was

46:22

he was trying to be as strong

46:23

of an axe and I saw the look

46:25

on his face though. It's effective,

46:28

like he just shut down for a really long

46:30

time.

46:31

According to Karen and Alexis, there have been

46:33

several deaths in their family over the

46:35

past few years and Lawrence's disappearance

46:38

has been having a negative impact on

46:40

these family members who are already coping with

46:42

their grief. Here's Karen

46:44

expressing her thoughts on the impact of

46:46

Lawrence's disappearance.

46:48

Our family has changed

46:51

drastically since Lawrence's

46:54

disappearance. My niece

46:56

Kathy has lost her way so she

47:00

was on the streets for quite some time

47:03

and my niece

47:05

Kathy was really close to Lawrence, like really

47:07

really

47:07

close. My niece Kathy

47:10

and Jessica were both raised by our

47:13

grandmother

47:15

so they were really close with Lawrence. There's

47:18

been a lot of like

47:20

substance abuse,

47:22

a lot of relying on alcohol

47:25

to cover everything up.

47:27

By myself I struggled for

47:29

a long time as well with alcohol.

47:32

I'm two years sober now so

47:35

I think that's one

47:37

of the things that we all used to cope. We

47:40

all reached for the bottle to cope.

47:43

That was our way out. That was our temporary

47:45

cure or continued

47:48

cure if we just kept going right.

47:51

He was planning on moving to terrorists.

47:53

I have text messages like messages

47:56

from him from Facebook or on messenger.

48:00

planning what we would do when he gets up here.

48:03

And one of the things that I would tease him about was

48:05

I was gonna get him hit. I told him

48:07

I'm gonna set him up on date. Family

48:13

matchmaker.

48:13

She

48:15

was the one who got me and her brother together.

48:21

We miss him a lot. I

48:23

really hope that this helps

48:26

us be able to give my mom some

48:30

heat, our mom

48:32

needs that.

48:34

Like to this day, she still

48:36

finds it really hard to talk about Lauren. Just

48:39

to sit down and ask her these questions,

48:43

it was like a struggle for her. Some

48:46

things came so easily, like, and

48:48

then other things

48:50

when trying to bring up memories and stuff

48:52

like that, it was

48:54

like she hit a wall. The

48:56

family of Lawrence Maitland has done everything

48:59

right in the years since he went missing.

49:01

They organized their own searches of the community

49:04

as well as the surrounding areas. They

49:06

cooperated with the RCMP for the investigation.

49:09

However, before this episode, they had limited

49:12

media attention. There were only

49:14

about six articles online about

49:16

Lawrence's disappearance. So we hope

49:18

that the attention on this case can shift

49:21

after we release this episode. We

49:23

asked Karen and Alexis how our listeners

49:26

can help.

49:27

Share the hell out of it, because

49:30

when this first started, as you

49:32

have seen, there wasn't enough

49:34

coverage on it, not

49:36

enough. I was

49:39

kicking and

49:40

screaming like

49:42

a toddler to my mother-in-law.

49:44

And I said, we need to get to the news

49:46

outlets. You need to reach out to them. You need

49:48

to go to Global BC. Call here

49:50

at Standard.

49:51

Do everything in your power that you can to get

49:54

this story out so that they can get people

49:56

talking about it.

49:57

And as soon as more people start talking about

49:59

it.

50:00

You know, somebody's gonna mess up somewhere

50:03

and somebody's gonna slip up somewhere and

50:06

they're

50:06

gonna say something.

50:07

They're gonna let it loose.

50:09

I mean, if somebody actually did do something

50:12

to Lauren

50:13

and they have to carry that around,

50:15

I'm hoping that they can hear this and

50:17

hear where this family is coming from.

50:20

Like, especially I get emotional

50:22

over it because of the whole thing with my son. Like,

50:25

this is an uncle that he will never get

50:27

to see or know. The

50:29

only knowledge that my son will have of his

50:31

uncle is stories.

50:36

I just want this family to know what

50:38

happened to their brother or their son. I

50:45

want them to know and

50:47

be able to bring him somewhere

50:50

and say their goodbyes again.

50:53

Our family needs closure. Our family,

50:56

like we've had with all of this

50:59

loss that we've had in our family, we need something

51:03

to help us close

51:05

the door and let my brother rest

51:08

properly. We need to be able to lay

51:10

him down to rest beside our

51:13

grandfather. And our grandfather, he called

51:15

Dad.

51:16

He needs to be set to rest

51:18

the proper way.

51:20

So, as Alexis says, we hope

51:22

you share the hell out of this episode

51:24

and help raise awareness for Lawrence and

51:27

all of the other missing and murdered Indigenous

51:29

men and boys in Canada and across

51:31

North America.

51:33

We reached out to the RCMP about this case

51:36

and Constable Brody Hemmerich, the media

51:38

relations officer for the Prince Rupert coastal

51:40

detachment, expressed positive regards

51:42

towards the production of this episode. He

51:45

provided the following statement for the podcast.

51:48

On behalf of the Prince Rupert RCMP, I can tell

51:50

you the following. The investigation

51:53

is open and ongoing. Although

51:55

our investigational avenues are limited,

51:58

we are still actively reviewing the on

52:00

a periodical basis. We

52:03

urge any members of the public to come forward

52:05

with information that could help the investigation

52:07

progress. They can reach

52:09

out to the Prince Rupert RCMP detachment or

52:12

if they wish to remain anonymous call Crime

52:15

Stoppers. We would like to thank Constable

52:17

Hemmerich for those words and for responding

52:19

to our email. We know it means a lot to the family.

52:22

In the village of Lacquille-Lames someone is holding

52:25

a secret. Someone knows something.

52:27

They know what happened to Lawrence or they know where

52:29

he is. Perhaps they're scared

52:31

to speak out. But now is the time.

52:34

Lawrence's family needs your help and they

52:37

need your information. No one

52:39

wants to live in a community where people harm one

52:41

another and no family should be left

52:43

without answers. They deserve to bury

52:45

their sibling, their loved one. We

52:48

know that many people in the beautiful community

52:50

of Lacquille-Lames will listen to this episode

52:53

and we know that you want to live in a safe place.

52:56

Help give this family some peace. You

52:59

can call Crime Stoppers right now or submit

53:01

a tip online. Crime Stoppers

53:03

does not want your name but they do

53:05

want your information. You

53:07

can call them right now at 1-800-222-8477 That's

53:13

1-800-222-TIPS. Lawrence's

53:15

RCMP file is 1-800-2019-5434.

53:21

We will link the online Crime Stoppers link

53:23

in our show notes and on social media.

53:26

You can also join the Facebook group Find

53:29

Lawrence Maitland. We will link that in our

53:31

show notes and share it on our social media.

53:34

Lawrence Douglas Maitland was last seen

53:36

between July 13th and the 18th

53:39

pushing his bicycle on Victoria Street in

53:41

Lacquille-Lames at approximately 2 p.m. He

53:44

was walking with his close friend who has since

53:46

left the community. Lawrence

53:49

is a First Nations man, 42 years

53:51

old, standing 5'9'' tall

53:53

and weighing about 187 pounds.

53:57

He has black hair slicked back in a mohawk

53:59

with a

53:59

Black goatee. Anyone

54:02

with information is asked to call the Prince

54:04

Rupert RCMP at 250-627-0700 or

54:10

as stated, report a tip to Crimestoppers

54:12

using the file number 2019-5434.

54:18

We started off this episode by speaking about

54:20

missing and murdered Indigenous men and boys.

54:23

It seems that this issue has now come to

54:26

the radar of the federal government. In

54:28

May of 2023, the federal government announced $95.8 million in new

54:30

funding over five years for

54:35

the families of missing and murdered Indigenous

54:37

people. At the time,

54:40

Justice Minister David Lometty said

54:42

a portion of the money will offer services

54:44

to the families of male victims. Crown

54:47

Indigenous Services Minister Mark Miller

54:49

stated, these expanded services

54:51

now include men and boys, recognizing

54:54

that men and boys can be the victims

54:56

of violence and of the systematic racism

54:59

that leads to the kind of violence that happens.

55:01

We would like to thank Lawrence's

55:03

mother Kathy, his sister Karen, and

55:06

his sister-in-law Alexis and all of the

55:08

other family members who trusted us to create

55:10

this episode. We are incredibly

55:12

grateful for your trust and we hope that

55:14

some answers come soon for your family.

55:17

And as always, we want to thank you, our listeners,

55:20

for joining us and supporting these cases.

55:23

Without you, we wouldn't have this platform and

55:25

for that, we are very grateful. We

55:27

will be back soon with a new episode, so until

55:30

then, stay safe everyone.

55:31

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