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It's
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September 29th, 1982. An
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ordinary Wednesday morning in a family-friendly
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Chicago suburb.
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A 12-year-old girl named Mary Kellerman wakes
0:15
up with a common problem. She has
0:17
a cold.
0:18
She didn't feel well
0:20
and she had a headache. She stayed home from school
0:24
and she retrieved some extra strength
0:26
Tylenol from the medicine cabinet.
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Mary's mom bought Tylenol the
0:31
day before. Almost immediately,
0:34
Mary started coughing and she
0:36
fell to the floor.
0:38
Downstairs, Mary's dad
0:40
hears the crash. When he finds
0:42
her on the floor, Mary's eyes are dilated.
0:46
Her breathing is shallow and labored, as
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though she's suffocating.
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They got her to a hospital. She
0:53
got progressively sicker and
0:55
sicker and was pronounced
0:57
dead a short time later.
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Mary Kellerman's death marked
1:03
the start of a nationwide crisis. Because
1:06
her death was just the beginning of what's
1:08
come to be known as the Tylenol murders.
1:16
I'm Shaleen Gupta, and this is Trustonomy,
1:19
an original podcast from OneTrust. This
1:22
whole season, we've been exploring the ways companies
1:24
lose the trust of the public and the devastating
1:27
consequences that follow. But
1:29
now, for our season finale, we're
1:32
telling a different kind of story. This
1:35
is a story about how a crisis helped a
1:37
company rebuild trust by
1:39
proving that they had their customers back.
1:46
It's important if you're building trust
1:48
in a company that you don't stagnate at
1:50
just meeting people's expectations. It's
1:52
actually going to be around exceeding them.
1:54
That's Andrew Clearwater. He's going
1:57
to tell us how Johnson & Johnson, the makers
1:59
of Tylenol, helped rebuild trust
2:01
in one of the nation's biggest brands. But
2:04
first, we need to hear from veteran
2:06
journalist Phil Rogers. I
2:11
don't remember a time when the public was
2:13
more frightened than during the Tom
2:15
and All Murders in Chicago. Last
2:18
year, Phil retired after 31 years
2:21
reporting for NBC 5 News.
2:23
But in the fall of 1982, Phil was just
2:26
starting his career working at WBBM
2:29
Radio, a local Chicago station
2:31
when the murders hit the news.
2:34
At first, nobody knew why
2:35
Mary Kellerman had died. At this
2:37
point, her death wasn't tied to the Tylenol she
2:39
took that fall morning. And
2:41
it's the mystery at the core of the story that
2:43
made the fear spread so quickly. There
2:47
is no minimizing how scared everybody
2:49
was. It was absolutely a terrifying
2:52
time. That level of horror
2:54
and outrage going on for weeks
2:57
and weeks and a lot of people
2:59
wondering if another shoe was still going to drop. That
3:02
worry was, sadly, completely justified.
3:05
In fact, even as Mary's family was trying
3:07
to process her sudden death, tragedy
3:09
was stalking other folks in the Chicago
3:11
area. A postal
3:14
worker by the name of Adam Janis,
3:16
who was 27 years old, is getting up and starting
3:18
his day. He doesn't feel very
3:20
well. He calls in sick.
3:23
He goes to the grocery store and while he's there,
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he picks up a bottle of extra strength Tylenol.
3:28
Then he heads home and takes a couple capsules
3:30
from the bottle.
3:32
And comes out of the bathroom clutching his chest
3:35
and obviously is in real distress.
3:38
His wife is alarmed by this and
3:41
they call 911 and get an ambulance
3:44
there to try to give him some help. He goes to the
3:46
hospital and he dies a short time
3:48
later. have
4:00
a seemingly healthy young man who has
4:02
suddenly died. Later
4:05
that day, recovering from the shock of its
4:07
death, Adam's brother Stanley
4:09
and the rest of the Janus family leave
4:12
the hospital and go back to Adam's house
4:14
to make funeral arrangements. Stanley
4:17
was himself not feeling well and was
4:20
overcome with grief. He asked if they
4:22
had any pain medication, was told,
4:24
yeah, it's in the bathroom medicine cabinet. There should
4:26
be some Tylenol in there. He went in and retrieved
4:28
the bottle and came out with it. And his
4:31
wife, Teresa, said, you know what? Why
4:33
don't you let me have two of those two? I'm not feeling
4:35
so well either. They both ingested
4:37
the capsules. Almost immediately,
4:40
they fell to the floor, suffering the
4:43
exact same kind of symptoms
4:46
as Adam had been displaying. They are quickly
4:48
taken to the same hospital where
4:50
they would eventually be pronounced dead as well. Three
4:54
members of the same family all collapsed
4:57
in the same house. All on the same
4:59
day, they were all taken to the same hospital
5:02
by the same paramedics. First
5:04
responders and medical staff were baffled.
5:08
But that would soon change with a random bit of
5:10
luck.
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There were two different completely unrelated
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sets of paramedics and firefighters from
5:16
different communities who happened to know
5:18
each other.
5:19
One set knew about young Mary's death, and
5:21
the other set knew about the Janus family.
5:24
They happened to talk to each other and
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mention, boy, I had this crazy
5:29
run in my department. These people were poisoned.
5:32
And the other party's saying, you know
5:34
what? We had the very same thing happen
5:36
here and start to put
5:38
two and two together. Four people
5:41
in the Chicago area had now died in the
5:43
same way all on the same day. Then,
5:46
within hours, three more people perished.
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Extra-strength Tylenol remained
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the common link in every case. Armed
5:54
with this information, the deputy medical
5:57
examiner at the Cook County Office gave
5:59
the...
7:59
How did Tylenol become tainted in the first
8:02
place? Was it perhaps the manufacturer's
8:04
fault? Cyanide, after all,
8:06
was used to test lead levels in the factories
8:08
where Tylenol was made. The
8:11
theory was soon dismissed. The cyanide
8:13
and the poison capsules had a different
8:15
chemical makeup, and even more troubling,
8:18
the poison capsules were coming from more
8:20
than one factory. This
8:24
led investigators to a frightening conclusion.
8:27
That was the point where they knew they had
8:29
somebody out there that was tampering with the capsules,
8:32
some kind of madman that is intentionally
8:35
poisoning the Tylenol and
8:37
putting them in the stores. Then,
8:39
on October 1st, just two days after
8:42
people started dying...
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A man mails an extortion
8:46
letter. It was written anonymously to
8:48
Johnson & Johnson, demanding
8:50
a million dollars be deposited
8:52
in a Chicago bank, in his
8:55
words, if you want to stop the killing.
8:57
Using the bank account number, authorities tracked
9:00
the threat back to a man named James Lewis.
9:03
And while he didn't admit to the crime...
9:06
He was given paper and writing materials,
9:08
and he drew a picture of
9:10
how he thought the killer
9:13
probably put the Tylenol into
9:15
the capsules. A lot of the investigators
9:17
thought that indicated
9:19
more than just a little creativity
9:22
on Mr. Lewis's part, that it showed
9:24
that he was possibly even using his
9:26
own recollection. Here's
9:29
what was clear. An enormous number
9:31
of lives were now at risk. They
9:33
could be looking at a horrifying case of mass
9:35
murder. The scale of the tragedy
9:38
was expanding by the hour.
9:40
Johnson & Johnson was understandably subject
9:42
to a lot of serious
9:43
scrutiny at this point.
9:45
All eyes were on them. They had
9:47
to react. Johnson & Johnson
9:50
mounted a big blitz of
9:52
information. They go on
9:54
television, tell the public, don't buy
9:57
our product. They also, for
9:59
a while,
9:59
while killed all their advertising completely.
10:02
They offered a reward for information
10:04
that might lead to the killer. They
10:07
worked incredibly closely with
10:09
law enforcement and with the Food
10:11
and Drug Administration, and they start
10:13
pulling it off the shelves by the tens
10:15
of millions of bottles, which
10:17
they admit are now going to be tested
10:20
for the potential presence of cyanide.
10:23
That nationwide recall took place on
10:25
October 5th, less than a week into
10:27
the crisis. It was the first mass
10:30
recall in American history. This
10:32
was an extraordinary and full-fledged
10:35
reaction. In 1982, the
10:37
term crisis management wasn't even
10:39
a thing, so Johnson & Johnson
10:42
had to invent it on the fly.
10:44
Johnson & Johnson ends up recalling 31
10:48
million bottles of extra-strength Tylenol
10:51
worth an estimated $100 million. That's
10:54
in 1982 dollars, and
10:57
they were taking quite a hit on this because at that
10:59
point, Tylenol was the number
11:01
one over-the-counter pain medication.
11:04
Suddenly, everyone's afraid of this
11:07
product.
11:08
The change to Johnson & Johnson's bottom
11:11
line was enormous and immediate. In
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just a few weeks, Tylenol's
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market share plummeted from 35% to 8%.
11:20
It doesn't come much worse than that
11:23
for an American business to have to
11:25
go to the public and say, don't use
11:27
our product. It might kill you. If
11:30
you had asked any of us
11:32
in the news business or anybody in the public
11:34
at that point in the days after the
11:37
murders began to unfold, we would
11:39
have told you that there was one fact that
11:41
was indisputable, and that that was Tylenol
11:43
was dead as a product.
11:45
When a company is faced with such a terrible crisis,
11:48
a common reaction is to retreat and
11:50
make themselves invisible. But Johnson &
11:52
Johnson did the opposite. They
11:54
decided to reach out.
11:57
They set up toll-free numbers for
11:59
the public.
11:59
for the news media to call
12:02
with updates on information
12:05
from the company itself. The chairman
12:07
of the company was not shy. He
12:09
went on big shows. He was on 60 Minutes.
12:12
He was on Donny Hugh. He appeared
12:14
in the television commercials himself,
12:18
going on as the face of the company to
12:20
talk about why people
12:22
shouldn't take the product and let me
12:24
show you what we're doing to safeguard the public.
12:26
Of
12:30
course, any solution was never just
12:32
going to be about optics. They needed
12:34
a concrete change. By November,
12:37
Johnson & Johnson announced an innovation
12:40
that they'd been experimenting with before
12:42
the murders.
12:44
They go back on television and they
12:47
announce, for the very first time in history,
12:49
tamper-proof packaging. And they demonstrate
12:51
in the commercial, I remember this really,
12:54
really well, they show the box
12:56
that the end flap is glued shut, that
12:59
when you open the box, you're going to take out a bottle
13:01
that has a safety seal around the neck of the
13:03
bottle, a plastic shrink-wrapped
13:06
seal. And then you're going
13:08
to open the bottle and it has a foil
13:10
cap across the top of the bottle. Tamper-proof
13:13
packaging was exactly the innovation
13:15
that an anxious public wanted, even
13:18
if they didn't know it yet. In 1983,
13:21
Congress passed a bill making it a federal
13:23
crime to tamper with medications. It
13:25
was called the Tylenol Bill. I
13:28
remember that a disaster official who
13:30
was responsible for federal legislation
13:32
told me once that all safety
13:35
regulations are written in blood. And
13:37
what she meant by that is that any
13:40
good law that deals with the safety
13:42
of the public probably stemmed from
13:44
a tragedy. The daily life
13:47
of American consumers was changed forever.
13:50
A new layer of protection and of trust
13:52
was now baked into the consumer experience.
13:56
So did it work out for Johnson & Johnson? Did
13:58
they regain the trust of the public?
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the public.
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In just a year after the murders, Tylenol
14:04
regained its entire market share and
14:06
was once again the top pain reliever
14:08
in the country. Johnson & Johnson
14:11
did the best job I can remember
14:13
of trying to take control
14:16
of a tragic situation that was
14:18
affecting their company and they managed
14:20
to turn it around. And proof of that
14:23
is possibly sitting in your home right
14:25
now.
14:28
My experience with it is that it's something
14:30
you definitely have in your cupboard and
14:32
Tylenol is not something to worry
14:35
about.
14:35
Like most people,
14:36
Andrew Clearwater, the chief trust architect
14:39
at One Trust, has always thought of Tylenol
14:41
as a brand that everybody can trust.
14:44
But as we've just heard, there was a brief
14:46
time when trust in Tylenol was shaken
14:49
to its core.
14:50
The tragedy here is you would
14:52
trust that if you go to a
14:54
store that is selling
14:57
medication to make you healthier, it's
14:59
such an unexpected thing. And there
15:01
really was no way that either
15:04
the company or the family could have known
15:06
the circumstances that were going to unfold.
15:09
Andrew's job is about discovering
15:12
new ways to secure our customer trust
15:14
in today's digital world. That
15:17
title, Trust Architect, carries
15:19
a lot of weight.
15:21
I'm one of very few, I believe. I
15:23
might really be the second if I can
15:25
believe what's on LinkedIn. But
15:27
it's a unique job for sure. There's
15:29
a combination of research work where we're
15:31
looking at privacy and security ethics
15:33
and ESG. And there's a kind
15:36
of facilitating the development that goes
15:38
with building a program that works for a
15:40
lot of companies. The issues
15:42
that companies deal with today may look radically
15:45
different from the pre-cloud offline
15:47
world of the 1980s. But
15:50
Andrew says the way
15:51
Johnson & Johnson dealt with their crisis
15:53
still has a lot to teach us.
15:56
What's interesting about this story is that we want
15:58
to be able to do what we can to make the world a better place.
17:47
the
18:00
implications, I guess, to the long-term
18:02
outcome of the company. And from that
18:05
point of view, you're not going to get the same result
18:07
as this story.
18:09
Johnson & Johnson's customer-first approach
18:11
wasn't just lip service. They let
18:13
that value dictate their response. In
18:16
other words, they weren't inventing some new
18:18
moral compass on the fly. Their
18:21
plan emerged from values they already
18:23
had.
18:24
So if your values were created by
18:26
your marketing department, then
18:28
you won't see them carried out later
18:31
on if they weren't actually internalized, taught,
18:33
and part of how the company behaves. One
18:36
of the things that you can see here with
18:38
Tylenol is that they
18:40
live their values. And I think it's in
18:43
times of crisis that values
18:46
are tested.
18:49
It shouldn't surprise anyone that putting people
18:51
first also happens to be good for a brand
18:54
in the long run. People respect
18:56
companies like that. And companies
18:58
like that earn their trust.
19:00
Tylenol becomes this
19:03
value-filled underdog almost,
19:06
even though they're a giant corporation, right?
19:08
Like, they are trying to figure something out. I
19:11
think it really brought the public along with them.
19:13
Tylenol ends up looking like
19:16
a victim of something that happened to them.
19:21
Johnson & Johnson did not simply take
19:23
action. They also communicated
19:25
that action to the public. Just
19:28
weeks after the Tylenol murders, their
19:30
chairman went on 60 Minutes and The Donahue
19:33
Show. The Tylenol murders were dominating
19:35
the American imagination, so Johnson &
19:38
Johnson made sure their voice was at the forefront
19:40
of the national conversation. Communicating
19:43
a strategy is what gives
19:45
people confidence in your actions. If
19:47
you're doing it in the vacuum and people
19:50
are scared, they will
19:51
not have confidence. And what's interesting
19:54
about Johnson & Johnson is not only
19:56
were they able to communicate it, they
19:58
did it with such a media.
20:01
All that communication wasn't about claiming
20:03
innocence either. Instead, they
20:05
spent that airtime explaining what they were
20:08
doing to fix the situation. Again,
20:10
Johnson & Johnson was putting the needs of their customer
20:13
first. In doing so, they
20:16
received a massive lift themselves.
20:18
It would have been easy for Tylenol
20:21
to spend a lot of their communications
20:23
time on
20:25
how this was not them. But by
20:27
really bringing it back to, look,
20:30
this is what we're going to do about it. It
20:32
puts you in the space of showing
20:36
basically capability and value
20:38
when normally you could be focusing
20:41
on the crisis itself. And
20:43
so by making
20:45
it clear through your communications, the
20:48
story about what Johnson & Johnson was doing
20:50
became the story.
20:54
It can feel like a leap of faith to really let
20:57
a customer first, open and transparent
20:59
culture guide your company. But
21:01
it's more pragmatic than it may seem. The
21:06
extraordinary actions Johnson & Johnson
21:09
took, for example, may seem altruistic.
21:12
But here's the thing. It was also a
21:14
kind of enlightened self-interest.
21:17
A company that earned the public's
21:18
trust has earned the public's
21:21
business.
21:22
Every time a shopper looked at a bottle of Tylenol,
21:25
the visual of that new tamper-proof packaging
21:28
reminded them that this was a company
21:30
they could trust.
21:32
And these protections became
21:34
industry standard, and it became a
21:36
way to visually see what was different
21:39
between before the crisis and after
21:41
the crisis. And I think that matters a lot.
21:44
It's putting it back in this new form that
21:46
really changes the experience. And
21:49
I think customers need to be
21:51
able to perceive the brand
21:54
and what's changed here.
21:59
Ciel, Tylenol was suddenly a
22:02
brand that stood out as safe instead
22:04
of dangerous. They reversed
22:05
the narrative about their product and
22:08
the ultimate result is that they established a
22:10
competitive advantage over their competition.
22:12
You're choosing a technology that enhances
22:15
trust. You might actually bring people towards
22:17
your brand in a way that causes the rest
22:19
of the industry to have to catch up. And
22:22
if they try to catch up, they're going to
22:24
incur costs in the rush to bring that
22:26
technology to market, or they
22:28
might not even get the benefit of trust because
22:31
a brand that acted quickly will be
22:33
able to show, Hey, we acted because
22:35
we were acting in your best interests. The others,
22:37
they don't get that halo effect.
22:40
In fact, Tylenol came out of the crisis
22:43
looking like a leader. And the result we
22:45
heard earlier that their market share bounced back
22:48
to its pre-crisis level, and
22:50
nobody thought that was possible.
22:52
That is remarkable, both
22:54
in how quickly it dropped and how quickly
22:57
it returned. But also in
22:59
an odd way, all of this talk about
23:02
Tylenol, once it became
23:04
clear that they were taking the right actions,
23:07
it sort of built
23:10
a recognition among households that probably
23:13
wasn't even there prior to it. And
23:15
then it's sort of in the collective
23:17
consciousness after that. I
23:20
can't think of any company that has made
23:22
such a quick recovery like that. And boy,
23:24
could it have gone another way.
23:27
Andrew envisions a future where nobody
23:29
has to go that other way. He
23:31
believes every company
23:32
can benefit from treating their customers'
23:34
trust like a core part of their business.
23:37
The goal is to exceed people's expectations,
23:40
and an entire metric of trust can
23:42
be established to see how you're doing. The
23:45
customer's trust in a company becomes
23:47
a real measurable thing of
23:49
value.
23:50
Let's say we have privacy,
23:53
ethics, security, and ESG sort of building
23:55
the core of our trust program. Talking
23:58
about trust measurement and trust school.
23:59
isn't it important to
24:02
know what other people think of what you do, right? In
24:04
the end, I think you want a combination
24:07
internally of values
24:09
that show what you're doing for the business,
24:12
but you've got to bring into scope feedback
24:15
from the key audiences about their experience.
24:18
And I think that might be a
24:21
bit of a seed that grows into trust
24:23
scoring overall.
24:25
Listening is fundamental to trust. It's
24:28
where customer-first values and effective
24:30
communication really begin. You
24:32
need to listen to the public's concerns and hopes,
24:35
tell them what you're going to do to help, and
24:37
then do it.
24:38
But
24:39
when it comes down
24:41
to whether those actions end
24:43
up being trusted or not, you
24:46
don't really find that in the playbook, right? That's
24:49
still something that has to happen in the culture.
24:55
So, whatever happened to James Lewis,
24:58
the star suspect in the Tylenol murders,
25:02
he was eventually charged with extortion for
25:04
the letter he sent to Johnson & Johnson and
25:06
sentenced to 12 years in prison. But
25:09
despite their suspicions, investigators
25:12
were never able to pin him with the murders.
25:15
The case was reopened several times over
25:17
the years, but sadly, there
25:19
was never a proper ending to this tragedy.
25:24
When Lewis died in the summer of 2023, there
25:26
was still no resolution
25:27
in this case. To
25:30
this day, the Tylenol murders in Chicago
25:32
remain unsolved.
25:35
And yet, for all that uncertainty and
25:37
chaos, real and positive
25:38
changes were made.
25:40
In 1989, new FDA
25:43
guidelines required all over-the-counter
25:45
drugs to be sold in tamper-proof packaging.
25:49
Tylenol's new packaging became the vanguard,
25:51
leading the way to a whole new landscape
25:53
for American consumer goods.
25:59
a temperproof seal. When
26:02
you buy a bottle of orange
26:05
juice and you unscrew the top
26:07
of it, and you have that really hard
26:09
to peel off foil seal
26:12
across the neck of the bottle, all
26:14
of that stems from the Tylenol
26:17
murders in Chicago, and it
26:19
was all invented by Johnson &
26:21
Johnson. This
26:26
season, stories from the past have inspired
26:29
new insights about trust and the role
26:31
it plays with successful businesses. We
26:34
saw a number of tragedies along the way, but
26:37
a few powerful tools always
26:39
made the difference when disaster struck. Pools
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that often go ignored, like privacy
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and informed consent, third-party
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risk management, respect for whistleblowers,
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and proper data management. Pools
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like these are the fundamentals
26:55
of trust.
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A lot can go wrong
26:57
out there, but trust isn't about some
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perfect world where nothing ever goes wrong.
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It's about knowing that someone's done right
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right.
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It's about knowing every effort has been made
27:08
to keep you safe.
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And I've learned this much for sure. In
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the world of business, trust
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is something we have to earn every day.
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So that's a wrap for season one of Trustonomy.
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I hope you've loved listening to the show as much
27:33
as I've enjoyed hosting it. The
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team behind Trustonomy is story producer
27:38
and showrunner Goldub Swanson, executive
27:40
producer Tori Allen, writer
27:43
Michael Harris, and sound designers Mark
27:45
Angley, Christian Proem,
27:46
and Robin Edger.
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From one host, we have Katie Wharton and John
27:51
Mill. With graphic design by Isabella
27:53
Dubose, I'm Shaleen
27:55
Gupta, and this is Trustonomy, an original
27:57
podcast
27:58
from Huawei.
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Thanks for listening.
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