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another TOAP classic. Now

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of course, and

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I'm not going to argue with you, I

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do realize the importance of

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that record and the greatness of that

1:03

record, but it took me, I

1:06

didn't want to listen to Neil Young, I

1:08

wanted to listen to Uriah Heap, I wanted

1:10

to listen to Black Sabbath, I wanted to

1:13

listen to Ted Nugent, you motherfuckers, if you

1:15

don't like this you can get the, turn

1:17

around and get the fuck out! You

1:21

can turn around and get the fuck out of here, alright now!

1:26

You remember? Trouble

1:32

is homies start like, join

1:34

damn Yankee. Yeah, join like

1:37

hunter people, camouflage

1:39

gun-bearing, camouflage gun-bearing people.

1:42

Straight up bad music.

1:47

The rock and roll time travel erases

1:50

his accomplishments from the world of

1:52

positivity because of rock and roll

1:54

time travel. You know I almost

1:56

bought that Amboy Dukes album today,

1:58

we were shopping a over here at

2:00

the record store, Damian and I,

2:03

and I picked up that Amboy Dukes

2:05

album with Journey to the Center of

2:07

Your Mind, which is an amazing song.

2:10

What was the album after Free For All? Was

2:13

it Cat Scratch Fever? I

2:15

think so, yeah. I mean, I'm cool up

2:17

through and including Double Live Gonzo, and then

2:19

after that, I'm so done with that. And

2:22

then, of course I did. And

2:25

then when he did all his weird Republican

2:27

shit, then I was like extra special done

2:29

with him. You know he's always been like

2:31

that. He just like... Yeah, but he didn't

2:33

have to rub it in our face. He just kept it on

2:35

the down low. He knew how

2:37

to market himself back then. He'd have to rub it

2:39

in our fucking face. Right.

2:42

So, I guess this is gonna be the

2:45

coolest episode of Turn Out of Punk Ever, because

2:48

this is just gonna be... No, no, this is

2:50

just me. Oh, this is really great so

2:52

far. This is awesome. This is amazing.

2:54

What are you talking about? This is incredible. It's

2:58

like every dream, we're

3:00

all like super smart and stuff and

3:02

really insightful, yeah. So, hey look, I

3:04

ran into the oldest stern brother at

3:08

the Starbucks in the Golden Nugget when

3:10

we were at Las Vegas Punk Rock

3:12

Bowling this last time. And he asked

3:14

me how I was doing, and I

3:16

looked at him and I was like

3:18

really run down. I hadn't

3:20

got my coffee yet, and

3:22

he was all jazzed. He

3:25

was psyched because he'd got his coffee.

3:27

And I said, dude, I'm feeling like I'm

3:30

61 years old. And

3:35

we started to converse a little bit more.

3:37

And then I

3:39

will be in a couple of months. Oh

3:42

fuck, why did I think... Oh, it doesn't. Why

3:44

didn't you think, what did you think? I was

3:46

41 or 31? I

3:48

was like 39, I don't know. Hold

3:50

on, hold on. You were 69. You

3:54

used to be seven years older than me. So

3:56

I'm... I think you're still seven years old. Yeah, yeah,

3:58

yeah, yeah, I'm just saying. When we were kids, I was

4:01

eight and you were like about to, you were in the

4:03

middle of high school

4:11

when I was eight. Okay. So you're eight years older

4:13

than me. Okay. I'm going

4:15

to be 53 in a while and you're going to be 61. Perfect.

4:19

Okay. I like it. Next

4:21

question. It adds up. It

4:23

adds up. Well, but I didn't get to finish,

4:26

but I'm having this conversation with the oldest

4:28

of the Stern brothers and he looked at

4:31

me and he said, Keith, what else would

4:33

you be doing? Well,

4:36

you had a good paralegal career on the way. You were

4:38

going to be an attorney, right? No,

4:40

you're thinking of lucky. Your

4:43

counter. I'm not thinking of lucky. Your

4:45

counterpart in the circle juror. He's no

4:47

paralegal leader. That guy's the actual real

4:50

deal lawyer. No, he's not. No,

4:53

he's not. How could you be 50 and

4:56

not pass the bar? Lucky

4:58

layerr. How could you be 50

5:00

and not pass the bar? Because

5:03

the California state bar exam is one

5:05

of the toughest. There's plenty,

5:07

plenty fucking attorneys out there and

5:10

they're not 50. So

5:13

the way I do this podcast normally is I find out

5:15

how people got in a punk and we just kind of

5:18

go from there. We're not doing it like that. No, we're

5:20

not. No, we're not. Not at all. But

5:22

I do want to talk. We got to figure out how

5:24

we're getting out of. I do want to talk to Getho

5:27

about seeing the Stooges at the Whiskey and

5:30

was that like a pivotal moment? No,

5:32

you need to have billion on this

5:34

conversation because he's going to tell you

5:37

that Metallic KO is the

5:39

greatest live album ever recorded.

5:42

Really? Oh yeah. More

5:44

than Kick Out the Jams? Even

5:46

more than Intensities in Two Cities

5:49

or Ten Cities or... More

5:51

fucking... What's the

5:53

motivation of what? It comes alive. It comes

5:56

alive? Yeah. Where's

5:58

the fire? More

6:01

than that? Birds of Fire? New

6:04

Orchestra? No, no, no, no effects

6:06

Birds of Fire Keith. Crap

6:10

Birds of Fire. So

6:15

Bill, do you honestly, do you think Metal KO is

6:17

the best live record of all time? Oh

6:21

I do. I fucking do. How did

6:23

you know that? He just said it. I just said

6:25

it because he was asking me. No, but it fucking

6:27

is. What's better

6:29

than that? That's the best thing in the whole world. How

6:31

many times did we listen to that in a row over

6:33

and over and over again? Why

6:36

do you think? When

6:38

you put the speakers out the window or put them on

6:40

the roof, you know, to just fuck with the neighbors. Why

6:44

do you think when Greg

6:46

Ginn said we're going to

6:48

cover Femme

6:50

Fatale by the Velvet

6:54

Underground, I'm

6:56

not singing that song. I'm

6:58

singing Louie Louie. Wait,

7:02

so it could have been Femme Fatale? It

7:04

would have never been Femme Fatale. I

7:08

was not going to sing that song.

7:10

I'm not Greg Ginn's puppet.

7:16

Chuck, are you Greg Ginn's puppet?

7:18

No. I most definitely am not.

7:21

Or was I ever? That

7:23

would change the history of music though, I

7:25

think, if Femme Fatale had been the set

7:28

closer tonight. Oh, it's a decent song.

7:30

It's a great song. It's not partying.

7:32

It's not Louie Louie. It's not partying

7:34

at all. No. It's

7:37

like an anti-party song. It's like, you

7:39

know, I'm fucked up and

7:41

bummed because, you know, my

7:46

thing with the girls isn't working right.

7:48

That's what. Yeah. So

7:50

what that one's all about. Do you remember the first

7:52

time you met all these guys?

7:55

Well, I met Billy at my dad's

7:57

store. Billy would come in. You

8:00

know, I've known Billy since he was eight years old. Just

8:04

like earlier when we were talking over

8:06

breakfast, I've known

8:08

Stephen McDonald since he was 11 years old.

8:12

The McDonald brothers came into the

8:14

Black Flag rehearsal space and

8:17

we told them, you can't

8:19

continue to call your band

8:21

the tourists because that's too

8:24

wimpy. There's nothing punk

8:26

rock about that. I thought the

8:28

tourists was a good name. Well,

8:31

that's the Arrhythmics, pretty Arrhythmics band.

8:33

Danny Lennox and Dave Stewart's band.

8:35

Then Chuck and

8:37

Greg suggested that

8:39

the McDonald brothers play

8:41

our equipment to

8:44

prove their punk rocketness

8:46

or their manliness or

8:49

how large their testicles were.

8:53

And Stephen, who

8:56

they're now like tall

8:58

enough to be professional basketball players.

9:00

I think that means that you have really

9:02

big dicks if you're tall. No,

9:07

it's your shoe size.

9:11

That's how they measure

9:13

a man's package

9:17

by his shoe size. I

9:21

like Greek kind. I like Greek yogurt. What about the

9:23

other kind of yogurt? I'm not a

9:25

big fan. But what, in the Greek they have

9:27

economic problems. You think you can get those economic

9:29

problems like... Are

9:31

economic problems contagious from the yogurt? I think

9:34

it's the second ackee, that flaming cheese. It

9:37

takes a lot of resources to light that cheese on fire every

9:39

time. That's what it is? Burning cheese?

9:41

Burning cheese. I grew up in the Greek

9:43

neighborhood in Toronto, so I have

9:45

a lot of experience with Greek food.

9:47

Burning cheese? Burning cheese, definitely. So

9:49

what about... So they'll come

9:51

to your dad's store and...

9:55

At a certain point, Billy, I

9:58

would be listening to the... radio

10:00

and I would

10:02

always because my dad would listen to

10:04

jazz and when whenever my dad wasn't

10:06

around knac

10:09

yeah knac loud rock blue

10:12

oyster colt zz top david bowie

10:21

and peter frampin and

10:23

uraya he deep purple you

10:26

know all of that kind of stuff

10:28

you know stuff that would bum our parents

10:31

out and billy would hear

10:33

something and go keith who's dad and

10:36

say billy that's an album that you

10:38

need to go out and purchase for

10:41

yourself do

10:43

you remember those records do you remember those

10:45

moments the question is did you

10:47

take the advice bill yeah take the advice oh

10:52

totally there were like pivotal moments

10:54

that changed you

10:57

know who i am as a person that were basically

11:00

albums that keith told me i should go by yeah absolutely

11:03

what about so like all that stuff

11:05

you know there's like a lot of

11:07

glamour stuff there what about zolar x

11:10

you ever go and see zolar x

11:12

holy holy holy cats did i see

11:14

zolar x um what do

11:16

you want to know about it were you into

11:18

him you need to introduce yourself des i'm

11:21

des hi des good

11:23

job did

11:25

a great job tonight you killed it thank

11:29

you you're welcome uh

11:31

zolar x yeah um oh

11:33

god what was that what was that record what was that

11:35

helped me keep it a 12 inch really yeah

11:39

i think it was positive though right no

11:42

energize me is that on it yeah

11:45

where they from zolar

11:48

x i

11:52

think they just called they were called

11:54

they're from planet zolar z but they

11:56

heard about x so they called themselves

11:58

zolar i mean whatever It was good

12:00

bad though. They

12:06

got back together and they put it

12:08

was kind of like okay this

12:11

is fucked up but like I'm

12:14

kind of liking this just because

12:16

of that reason you know it's

12:19

like B-movies. It was

12:21

like B-movies. Do you remember the first time you met

12:23

Des? Well

12:26

we were all partymeisters.

12:29

We were all looking for the keg

12:32

and the 12 pack and there's

12:35

actually a great photo

12:37

of Des, Brian

12:42

Grillo, Carrie

12:49

Ella Black. I

12:53

want to say Mary Radd and

12:57

myself just like

12:59

hanging out on a couch and

13:02

it looked like it could have been

13:04

in that front room at the church.

13:07

In the pool table room? Before

13:10

the pool table or after

13:13

the pool table. I think it's probably before.

13:15

Hey remember the night that we were all

13:18

like hanging out? What room? What

13:20

room? Wait what? The

13:23

south east room.

13:28

South east room. It

13:30

would have been facing the Altedina Dairy.

13:32

Oh yeah yeah okay. Yeah alright alright.

13:35

You know right there when you go

13:37

in the front door. You like where

13:39

Greg ended up living there after. He

13:42

lived across the way. No no

13:44

that was after after. I mean I

13:46

mean before that. I

13:49

mean he got sick and had food

13:51

poisoning in there. I didn't

13:53

even really live in there. I remember it

13:56

was either Janet Housden or

13:58

Michelle Galas. or Mars

14:01

remember Mars and Randy and They

14:03

were like my best friend. Yeah, her coast.

14:05

Yeah, I was afraid. Yeah. Yeah Mars and

14:08

Randy or Mars went out with Joan Dave

14:11

no, but he went but you know

14:13

Mars went out with Joe Nolte first

14:16

and then and then and then Joe

14:18

Nolte dumped her and then Dave Nolte

14:20

started going out last. Yeah What

14:23

other Joe? No way? I didn't know that's why

14:25

I was there's an actor actually but anyway

14:29

So it was either Janet or Michelle or Mars and

14:31

they were like this is Ron and Des It

14:34

wasn't it wasn't as it went and it

14:36

wasn't Ron It was Ron and Des like

14:39

Ron and Des were together. It was always

14:41

like Ron and Des What like

14:43

in like Linian squeaky, but not not Linian

14:45

squeaky, but it was always like for me

14:47

Ron and Des It was like you like

14:49

evident costello. No, I don't mean like that.

14:51

I mean like I mean Ron and Des

14:55

Yeah, what about Martin and Lewis?

14:59

No, Ron and Des is way cooler than Martin and

15:01

Lewis Come

15:03

on Ron and Des what about

15:06

red and Stimpy right?

15:11

Beavis and butthead Yeah,

15:16

actually we're kind of like that because

15:19

one guy you know, it's Jerry and

15:21

Obie That's

15:25

that's above everybody that's listening to yeah, I

15:27

was like that you guys lost me on

15:30

that one Jerry is

15:32

my dad And

15:35

OB OB

15:37

hey Billy, you know

15:39

OB's history He

15:42

was black ops. Yeah, he was black ops He

15:44

was one of the first guys sent into Vietnam

15:46

to scope it out and say this is what

15:48

we need to do This is where we need

15:51

to go. These are the people we need to

15:53

fuck with OB came back though when

15:55

he came. I mean he thought he was God. He

15:57

told me that he was God. Well, oh

16:00

Also, he

16:04

there were five of them that were sent in

16:07

five of these black ops. These

16:10

are the first guys to go.

16:12

The first guys to go into

16:14

Vietnam that represented the United States.

16:17

God. Yeah. And

16:20

the final order, their, their final order was

16:22

that they were, none of them were supposed

16:24

to come back from Vietnam. They were, they

16:26

were all supposed to kill each other. Wow.

16:30

And he came back and he was completely

16:32

out of his mind. He lived downtown LA

16:34

and he would wrap every night before he

16:36

went to bed, he would wrap himself from

16:39

head to toe in foil because

16:41

he thought that there were

16:44

like secret service agents

16:47

on all of the

16:49

rooftops around the

16:51

hotel where he lived shooting

16:53

him with these cancerous

16:56

rays or. The

16:59

guy was out of his mind and he was,

17:01

he could be a real sweetheart and then just

17:03

snap in a second. How'd you guys know this

17:05

guy about being out of your mind? And

17:08

that's a good question. Jerry let

17:10

him stay there. What was the arrangement? No,

17:14

he would, he

17:16

would ride the bus from downtown

17:19

LA fish on the

17:21

pier. Then he would

17:23

sit in the store all day. He

17:26

would keep us out of his mind. He

17:30

was living down to somebody up in

17:32

the rafters. That was

17:34

Raymond Ray,

17:36

not Ray, not like the pier.

17:38

Ray. Yeah. The

17:41

pier. Ray lived in the

17:44

upstairs. Yeah. You

17:46

mean the church? No. Yeah.

17:49

No. OB was never up there.

17:52

He was too big to get up there. Ray.

17:55

You know, without the guy with all missing

17:57

all of his kids. they

18:00

would eat steak like he would

18:02

just gum that steak down. What

18:11

you're doing is you're getting a history of my

18:13

dad's store. You're

18:15

getting the prehistory

18:17

of pre South Bay,

18:20

pre-punk, pre-that. So

18:22

were there fans? Were you guys into local bands?

18:24

Were there any local bands? The

18:27

last, yeah. Yeah, all

18:29

of the local bands besides the

18:31

last were all cover bands. They were

18:34

all top 40 bands. And

18:36

the reason why we gravitated

18:39

towards the Alley Cats who were in

18:41

La Mida, who we also

18:43

kind of considered to be a local

18:45

band. Oh yeah. And

18:47

the last was because they

18:49

were the only

18:52

bands with any

18:54

creativity. Like they were

18:56

the band that stood up and said, this

18:58

is what we do. And

19:03

if you don't like it, that's the way that it

19:05

is. So be it. Was Rhino 39 from Long Beach?

19:09

I somehow always harbored a

19:12

kinship with them because I don't know, I

19:14

just felt like they were one of us. They're

19:16

drummer or wouldn't become our drummer? Wouldn't

19:21

Long Beach be, couldn't

19:23

we consider? I

19:26

think that wasn't good enough. He wasn't way

19:29

enough. Yeah, I like his

19:31

plan. Everybody's

19:33

doing the Perlicks and stuff. Both

19:36

bump and tenon. No compromise,

19:38

no compromise. No compromise,

19:40

no compromise, no compromise. Yeah,

19:43

yeah. What about the

19:45

Quitch though? I know

19:47

39. And the officials grew him up to me

19:49

as their personality. Wonder what you want to be.

19:51

What is that? The

19:54

reason why we're here is because we're

19:56

here. We're here to help you. Then

20:00

we had a kinship with

20:02

Rhino 39 was

20:05

because we could consider

20:07

Long Beach to be

20:09

the most southern

20:11

tip of the South

20:13

Bay. Before

20:16

you go to the northern tip of

20:18

Orange County? Yeah, you

20:20

know, six of one, half a dozen of the

20:22

other. Apples or oranges? I think Orange County goes

20:24

all the way to Marina del Rey, but that's

20:27

a better outlook. Orange

20:29

County goes all the way to Marina del Rey.

20:34

So was there like a divide though between like,

20:36

you know, like Rhino 39 is definitely also more

20:38

of an aggressive band? Like more? Whoa,

20:41

whoa, whoa. No, no, Northern Black Flag. I

20:43

mean, but I mean, like, because they had

20:46

clean guitars. Yeah, they sounded like bad. Like

20:49

the minimum and the descendants. It's not like the

20:51

quick though, or not the nerves or like those.

20:53

That's different. The quick.

20:55

I bought my first drum set. It said the quick

20:57

on the bass drum. So I guess

20:59

it was, it was the quick. You bought

21:01

it from Danny Binaire? I don't know who

21:03

I bought it from. I bought it, you

21:06

know, the recycler. Remember the recycler? Danny Binaire

21:10

told one of the greatest

21:12

stories I'd ever heard about

21:16

how his older brother

21:19

who was like 18 years old, dragged

21:22

him to see the

21:25

Rolling Stones at

21:27

Altamont. He

21:30

was five years old. His

21:32

brother said, I can't find, I can't

21:34

find a babysitter. You're just coming along

21:37

with me. Get in the car. And

21:39

they drove up to Altamont and

21:42

somehow managed to get past all

21:44

the people. The two of them

21:46

walked in the back gate. Just

21:49

walked in and there they are, you know,

21:51

six of one, half a dozen of the

21:53

other apples and oranges. All the way

21:55

to Marina del Rey, but that's, that's a

21:57

better outlook. He

22:00

goes all the way to Marina though, right? Yeah. So

22:04

was there like a divide though between like, you

22:07

know, like Rhino 39, it's definitely also more of

22:09

an aggressive band. Like- Wait,

22:12

more? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not Northern Black Flag, I mean,

22:14

but I mean like- No, no, no, no, because they

22:16

had clean guitars. Yeah. They sounded

22:18

like- Bad. Like the Minutemen and

22:20

the Descendants. It's not like the Quick though, or not the

22:22

Nerves, or like those- Oh, okay, that's different. The Quick, I

22:25

bought my first drum set. It said the Quick

22:27

on the bass drum. So I

22:29

guess it was the Quick- Whoa, you bought

22:31

it from Danny Binaire? I don't know who

22:33

I bought it from. I bought it from,

22:35

you know, the Recycler, remember the Recycler? Danny

22:37

Binaire told

22:41

one of the greatest stories

22:43

I'd ever heard about

22:46

how his older brother,

22:49

who was like 18 years old,

22:52

dragged him to see

22:54

the Rolling Stones at

22:57

Altamont. Whoa, he

23:00

was five years old. His

23:02

brother said, I can't find a babysitter.

23:06

You're just coming along with me.

23:08

Get in the car. And they

23:10

drove up to Altamont and somehow

23:12

managed to get past all the

23:14

people. The two of them walked

23:16

in the back gate, just walked

23:18

in. And there they are on

23:20

the side of the stage when

23:22

the Rolling Stones are playing. What

23:26

year? That's like 1969. That was the end of the- 1969

23:30

okay, all across the USA. That

23:32

signaled the end of the Summer

23:34

of Love. The

23:38

Rolling Stones said, sympathy

23:41

for the devil. Fuck

23:43

your peace and love. Well,

23:47

I guess, and Manson too, right?

23:49

That was the same

23:51

moment. So were

23:54

you into the nerves and the quickening stuff?

23:56

Was that Part of it or no? The

24:00

all of that stuff. Rodney played it

24:02

on his show. Yes. You. Know we've

24:04

listened to every week. Listen. Do.

24:07

Rodney. Religious that would was

24:09

my. You know that like the

24:11

courts dog refers have those rectangular

24:14

little shape that we have like

24:16

five big buttons on? I'm. Still,

24:18

Look like piano keys. Like junior piano

24:21

keys and I would hold my. To

24:23

set my that my cassette tape

24:26

up to the speaker. The.

24:28

Whole Rodney Show Is that tape? The Whole

24:30

Rodney Show and now is my. That.

24:32

Was like my sound travels until the next

24:34

week until Rodney went against and we would

24:37

bring on everybody. Did it you know some

24:39

Mars and Michelle on Jan and Frank and

24:41

Deaths. Everybody has their their one of those

24:43

who goes to goes tape sex and we

24:45

bring and we go sit out by the

24:48

bleachers in this little part where there weren't

24:50

any. Football. Players. In.

24:52

The we listen to the Rodney you know

24:54

all the stuff he pled goes by that

24:56

fly voicing an an an enemy live in

24:59

an an an aid and have a look

25:01

at an early. And

25:04

often always. Oh. Yeah, he

25:06

loves the runway and

25:09

the beach boys. That's

25:11

when he spills factor

25:13

Beach Boys, Truth or

25:15

Razzie played all that

25:17

stuff. In fourth even

25:19

the stationary word for memory they just

25:22

kind of work to the into the

25:24

rotation. they realize that rodney we get

25:26

a lot of soon another seven know

25:29

so many before going. wow what's this

25:31

month with more Can even though was

25:33

late because I was in high school

25:36

had a good but I would say

25:38

up you know to to to listen

25:40

to again like I didn't didn't he

25:42

Come on at ten know midnight on

25:45

Sunday. Know. Either

25:49

way I'm from san to like the

25:51

and for out real quick slammed long

25:53

to medium and I have lived for

25:56

a writer the like drink coffee I

25:58

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the razor blades that's not on the

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little girl from the singers know that

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Rely on that was like I told

29:00

you that are you much as I

29:02

was unit Three Anus that was her

29:05

family. I like retail I like for

29:07

now I'm I have never mind that

29:09

was the little girl that played with

29:11

their parents are never seen as. Yeah

29:14

they say. Are accounts they were

29:17

exploiting their child. How dare

29:19

they. Don't

29:22

think they were, they just they were just they had

29:24

to sell punk rock house or I mean that was

29:26

as if you went to those parties they had. it

29:28

was just just was just. As

29:31

is how they were. Always

29:36

wanted to hear that man. Never

29:38

heard the standard. Off with we

29:40

either practice room after I guess

29:43

after curb? Real? maybe? Like

29:46

a real got Sick almost played gone

29:48

Out by the takes Them I think

29:50

we'd start a fraction of the singer's

29:52

voice. Labor force is

29:54

only my family been I was cool

29:57

I hours of their I can see

29:59

why you. Oh

30:02

great Hope that I can see why

30:04

you overheard a popular a male people

30:06

with shows them for things like they

30:08

have and they had a safehouse down

30:10

there and him through some places. that

30:13

and people like they're big party scene

30:15

then he was good. I liked him.

30:18

Over time they were talking about rock

30:20

bands here at or it doesn't matter

30:22

American bands normally like the way to

30:24

show works by start always exact same

30:26

way which that's first how they gonna

30:28

punk just go. By. Thought you know

30:30

we're supposed. To

30:32

also knows different official very different

30:34

a very diverse have a close

30:37

the gaps who ends up who

30:39

likes to ban was saying oh

30:41

absolutely. Stranded.

30:46

On my own know your oughta. Yeah

30:48

lipstick on your collar. They do

30:51

fatale climbing France or know why

30:53

did you bring up to seekers

30:55

or one of my favorite bands

30:57

of I don't know for sticking

30:59

to America or know anywhere an.

31:02

Accident when the Saints because they

31:05

tantalize officer they predate the sexes.

31:07

With that release I heard on.

31:10

Wednesdays. Novelty met. he would make

31:12

me a cassette. he's like years. all

31:14

the stuff. That. You have to

31:16

listen to his Ulysses A Kiss and you're

31:18

listening to Aerosmith drills. Here's the Sahel The

31:20

here's the stuff you ever listened to and

31:22

so they don't know made me it's just

31:24

that know and add the saints and a

31:27

half Slaughter in the Dogs and a half

31:29

Blue Tier and a had. And. Have

31:31

all this stuff on it yet! As

31:33

awesome. Yeah, so that was gonna win.

31:36

What was our me on to or

31:38

was I'm Elvis Costello? Everything

31:41

is less than zero.

31:44

Dum dum da da

31:46

like that phone good.

31:50

Oh sense of yeah yeah, we'll discuss

31:52

those who do with the Cookie Monster

31:55

vocal proposal. Now I was from Evansville,

31:57

worked for both have a Cookie monster.

32:00

The mob was in every death metal

32:02

man. Is is

32:04

a very is happening while the

32:06

season on how it. Fits.

32:09

Our was a big not aura

32:11

What you you can you can.

32:14

You. Could get down there. Yeah.

32:16

But I think that would really fucked

32:19

up up up up a batch. Are

32:24

some the will still. Irish

32:28

whiskey, Scotch Whisky.

32:31

The British have the English

32:33

have gym so what about

32:35

the wells? don't have share

32:37

know they don't It came

32:39

from the juniper plat which

32:41

is Geneva now isn't than an

32:44

and Belgium. Rivers

32:47

and lakes? Yeah, come on. like tank

32:49

or even I had. my third cousin

32:51

makes Denpasar saw what he said. His

32:54

fame mates a British drink. Come on a

32:57

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33:00

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33:13

lives with I'd say the bridge

33:15

mode right? We should research Google

33:18

and out of why five. The

33:21

Balloon. To hear That

33:23

Jennifer receiver. But

33:26

a Federal is a hamburger, right? Like it

33:28

was invented in Germany. but it's perfect in

33:30

America. Germany was free. got out. Of

33:34

United States they took the them. Reading.

33:36

And sit out? Yeah, made it

33:38

a hamburger maiden. Awesome! Perfected

33:41

it. is that a

33:43

particular like the real black flag

33:45

both oh my bad probably because

33:47

of you have arrived at of

33:49

if is is this is just

33:51

a religious goes up as a

33:54

conversation or you call it whatever

33:56

you wanna call it a conversation

33:58

was like us on sundays kind

34:00

of a history. I mean, you're

34:02

getting Keith's perspective. And then I'm

34:05

younger than them,

34:07

meaning Keith and Chuck here,

34:10

and Greg, and Robo,

34:12

especially Robo. But not

34:14

Isaac. You know, but

34:16

not Isaac. I mean, Isaac's in the

34:19

room. Isaac's the kid. I'm

34:21

even older. You're

34:23

getting a little bit of what's

34:29

not written in books. Yeah,

34:32

and that's the stuff that I think everyone that listens to the show,

34:34

and that's the stuff I care about. You know, like

34:36

I want to hear about the stuff that you can't

34:39

find out about as people need it. You know, and

34:41

I don't know if I would like to see a

34:43

book, but I know it right here. And

34:46

it was me and Ron, like Bill

34:49

said. We heard that we showed

34:51

up. We heard this

34:53

band Panic was practicing at a

34:55

church. But they're

34:57

maybe going to change it. Ron told

34:59

me this. Maybe going to

35:01

change their name to Black Flag. And

35:04

then we

35:06

had seen Robo

35:09

up on

35:11

aviation with

35:14

his core team up putting something. That's

35:17

the drummer. And that's what you guys

35:19

used to play up on aviation. Can

35:21

you do his trunk? Perhaps.

35:28

But the world's supposed to say

35:30

that. He's

35:34

not here to defend himself. We can

35:36

say whatever we want. And he lives

35:38

in Columbia anyway, so go ahead. And

35:45

don't blame the beer. Yeah,

35:48

but at the time he was living in El Segundo.

35:52

And you know how he got into the country.

35:55

Because he was a student. Yeah, he

35:57

was a... exchange

36:01

student. He was supposed to

36:03

be going to UCLA. Like

36:06

Harvard College or something?

36:11

El Camino. El

36:14

Segundo junior high. We went

36:18

to the University of punk rock instead. So

36:21

he graduated from that one.

36:23

Well well if

36:26

I can't even do his voice

36:28

I'm trying to do Marky Ramon.

36:31

Well well well don't make fun

36:33

of Robl because he's

36:35

a good guy and you

36:37

know do

36:42

I have to kick the little

36:44

guy's ass? This is the real... His

36:52

finest moments playing

36:55

drums as

36:57

a member of Dust, Marky

36:59

Ramon. Marky Bell. Marky

37:02

Bell who was also a

37:07

member of the voidaways.

37:11

Yeah but some of the people that are listening to

37:13

this might not know. We've

37:16

talked about Dust on the show before. Yeah we're trying to enlighten

37:18

a few people. Well

37:23

I guess also I wanted to find out what... Did you

37:25

guys see the screamers? Were you into the screamers? I

37:29

saw the screamers on several occasions

37:33

and Tomato was

37:35

actually my neighbor

37:39

when I lived over by the Hollywood Bowl and

37:44

we became really good friends. Really

37:48

a sweetheart. One of the coolest guys

37:50

that you would ever meet. And those

37:52

guys there would be no nine inch

37:55

nails. There would be no... You

37:57

should ask these two guys. What

38:00

they think of the screamers

38:02

billion we guys We

38:12

guys into the screamers Yeah,

38:15

yeah, there's always like a distinction that's made

38:17

in like the history books now about when

38:20

when the beach scene came and

38:23

ruined Quote-unquote ruin not me saying

38:25

this the LA punk scene and

38:27

was that real or is that like a minute?

38:29

See, that's right me like but like that's what

38:31

it that was a different County and it was

38:34

a different It's

38:38

like what Keith says every night about

38:40

white minority it was done

38:42

as a joke and Then

38:45

certain people took it Seriously,

38:48

and it's like certain

38:50

people Not

38:52

everybody But

38:55

a lot of people from Orange County did

39:02

And the valley in the valley

39:04

was neighborhoods where their

39:06

parents were conservative and they just

39:08

wanted to rebel in any way

39:10

and some of them really wanted

39:12

to fuck shit up and

39:16

I mean because I have

39:18

a story about my first

39:20

gig And

39:28

We had like Like

39:34

a mailing list of

39:36

about 500 people

39:38

about 300 of them were from Orange

39:40

County So

39:43

we planned this thing at the church First

39:47

of all, I had been in

39:49

the bat like four days You

39:51

know, I coming up. I I came

39:53

up to the church every day She

39:56

think I lived there for one day

39:59

before Without warrants, Know.

40:02

What? I see shock. A

40:05

job woes and cars and news have

40:07

with the meat as me when to

40:09

be an event. Ah the Sixty Two

40:11

Impala Six into a ball. It as

40:14

an Iowa are it's like new and

40:16

he opens up the trunk of his

40:18

like. By. Two

40:21

cases of birch more. bring

40:23

one i've to a math

40:25

or bruno to one of

40:27

those sheep are treated. She's

40:29

really bird California meals. Here

40:34

you want a beer, act as

40:36

over there I go to yes.

40:40

Oh yes sharks your outfit very

40:43

opposite the trunk of ago a

40:45

severe trauma of thinking as I

40:47

don't have I said out loud

40:49

he gives me a be I

40:51

got yeah well be boy Europe

40:54

to interfere warms or ever trusted

40:56

officer at a better that wearing

40:58

the court T my yet now

41:00

my our is I mean majority

41:02

of the back. Of friends around

41:05

I actually like. from the Impala leads

41:07

to the core. Tina I had the

41:09

you never know like I have friends

41:11

all around in a big cabin area

41:13

as I consume a movie or both

41:15

or charge. Like

41:18

so fact that paid a

41:20

does of them from of

41:22

years ago. What's going on?

41:25

Charge amigo. Go on talking

41:27

about something here. Want a

41:29

beer and he opens up

41:31

the drudgery of beers and.

41:34

Was that their daughter shows? Or would you like

41:36

to try to sit for the group? And

41:41

I use of fifties

41:43

term alone one but

41:45

is T V at.

41:48

Io what do you mean

41:50

saying I play guitar He

41:52

goes well yeah by years

41:54

as we know you are

41:56

friend and you're good guy

41:58

and. You know

42:01

whatever and I

42:03

got like what I would say. Yeah, and I

42:05

go What

42:08

how do you know I could do

42:10

it he goes because every at every

42:12

gate when Keith was the singer And

42:14

I didn't go to too many Ron

42:17

Diggs to It

42:20

was just a weird scene between me and

42:22

him it was like I didn't really care

42:26

I think Ron felt I didn't support

42:28

him But

42:32

I missed him yeah That

42:34

was your black flag. Yeah And

42:38

I wasn't jealous about the fact that he

42:40

was a black flag. That wasn't my goal

42:42

I was surprised when Chuck asked me, you

42:44

know but anyway

42:48

I Go in there. I

42:50

he goes well,

42:52

you know all the words you sing all the

42:54

words Even with you The

42:57

lyrics better than I did That's

43:02

all you gotta say he's right

43:04

played live he's right We've got a

43:07

sad probably sat out in the hall

43:09

with Ron and drank beer while

43:11

we were here There

43:16

he was singing the songs in

43:18

front of us I knew

43:20

you knew the word I Mean

43:26

And it was everybody in the man that

43:28

I don't care what the

43:30

attitudes were How

43:34

not drunk or how drunk somebody

43:36

else was like that was my

43:38

picture so We

43:41

were beer while we were Sure

43:45

There he was singing the songs in

43:48

front of us I knew you knew

43:50

the word You

43:53

what yeah, I mean And

43:56

it was everybody in the man that I

43:59

don't care What the attitudes

44:01

were, How how not

44:03

drugs were out drugs

44:05

somebody else was. That

44:08

was my picture. So.

44:10

My. We were like the Dodgers. We

44:12

had a really great farm system. As.

44:18

A soup is David Bowie way to

44:21

watch your chair with. ever had any

44:23

really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah he saw.

44:27

That was the Hong Kong Cafe.

44:29

Where's the rest of? this? was

44:31

the gig where everybody in Hollywood.

44:34

Said. They were there because David Bowie

44:36

of course I didn't believe he was really

44:38

there. Was a really sad as that. He

44:42

was sitting at the at the

44:44

very end of did. You.

44:47

Know how they had the tables running

44:49

by this day if he was sitting

44:51

at the very end of one of

44:54

the tables? with to being black soul

44:56

brothers who you weren't even gonna walk

44:58

up to and say hey man, how's

45:01

it going with bodyguards Yeah. As

45:04

as the the rumor that I

45:07

heard why he was there was

45:09

apparently. He

45:11

has denied off. And

45:13

just wanted to go to. China.

45:17

Town and hang out in China Town

45:19

and he has apparently heard that there

45:21

were a handful of mans plane at

45:23

the Hong Kong cafes. It doesn't get

45:25

any more China Town and the Hong

45:28

Kong job bad. Except

45:30

for Madam Lawns. Richards.

45:35

Was right across the.

45:38

The hundred years away on her feet away with

45:40

it was like kind of like not be between

45:42

the two, then use the. There's like a bit

45:44

of a rivalry right? Like when one of the

45:46

other deploy I was. Just

45:49

as a little bit a

45:51

punk rock. but. the

45:54

other one was like the germs

45:56

blaze eggs play with black flag

45:58

flag flag flag day control you

46:00

know I

46:04

don't know black Randy played

46:06

there probably you never know

46:10

he probably might have feel like I

46:12

would have gone if he went he

46:14

played yeah that's true because he was

46:16

out of his mind. He had to

46:18

go see him play. He was out

46:21

of his friggin mind. Well

46:23

I guess also what about box pop?

46:25

Was he here for the... Yeah,

46:28

Cab Driver, Cab Driver. Great

46:31

song. Killer song. Paul Cutler is

46:33

an amazing

46:35

guitar player and is

46:38

an amazing guitar player and if he

46:40

hears this I'm saying

46:42

he is. So... Um...

46:47

He is an amazing guitar player. Yeah.

46:50

Was that like the... He was in the jams

46:52

with him. But that was 45... wasn't that 45

46:54

great? Silver's not a file. That

46:56

was box pop. Yeah,

46:59

it was same people. No,

47:01

it's like Dolan swish around. Yeah,

47:04

well yeah they all play different instruments.

47:07

Yeah, yeah. But they had...

47:09

Dumbles and him and played

47:11

guitar and that shit. Oh,

47:15

Jeff Doll? Maybe. Was

47:18

it Jeff Doll that played on

47:20

Cab Driver, Keith? I

47:23

don't know. I'm

47:25

not that familiar with box pop.

47:27

I watched them record it. Really?

47:31

The bass played through a

47:33

giant like actual theater

47:36

speaker system. He

47:39

had like a speaker and a big

47:42

horn that was about 6 feet long

47:44

and about 5 feet wide

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square. Wow. And

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there's like this one speaker. And

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box pop was kind of like

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everybody in 45 grave switching

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instruments except for Mary. And

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being also

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besides cab driver which is

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kind of a rocket. Yeah.

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Cab driver, everything

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else is kind of like

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really spaced out, velvet on the ground.

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Just like your mom. Well

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just like your mom. That's

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kind of aggressive. Well that was the B

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side. Yeah the flip. Yeah.