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sage, welcome and thank you so

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much for joining me today.

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Hey, Emma, I'm so excited to be here.

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So I've wanted to

3:02

start as I always do, really is

3:05

by asking my guests, you know,

3:05

what was your journey to writing

3:09

and creativity? How did you get

3:09

started?

3:12

Well, I come from

3:12

artists, parents, both of my

3:15

parents were artists, and my dad

3:15

wrote poetry and I don't really

3:21

think when I was younger, I

3:21

recognized how cool that was

3:25

that I had a dad that was

3:25

writing poetry until I got

3:28

older. And I was like, Oh, that's so interesting. That's cool. My first job was a page at

3:30

my local library. Like from the

3:35

gate, I was super nerdy about

3:35

books and writing. And so

3:40

creativity was a norm in my

3:40

life. Like to express myself

3:44

through mixed media art is my my

3:44

fun thing. So it really started

3:49

young and at home.

3:52

And so did you

3:52

because you you're a writer, as

3:56

well, and our listeners won't be

3:56

able to see but I can see your

3:59

beautiful art behind lots of

3:59

vibrant colors and things. But I

4:04

know that you write young adult

4:04

fiction too. So the sort of

4:07

writing side of that, did that

4:07

come at that young age as well?

4:11

Or did that come to you a bit later.

4:13

So I dabbled in

4:13

writing, but it was really when

4:16

I was introduced to the Xen

4:16

community that really shifted

4:23

everything. For me scene are a

4:23

whole different world in

4:27

themselves of independent

4:27

publishing. It's like, these

4:31

handmade stories where there's

4:31

no pressure of editing, all the

4:36

things that I think people feel

4:36

that pressure with book

4:39

publishing, it's off the table,

4:39

like the intention with scenes

4:43

is to be raw is is to be super

4:43

authentic and and I love that

4:48

you put them together using your

4:48

hands so it's got the writing

4:51

piece and the art piece which

4:51

then I'm super lit up. So that's

4:55

where I really started

4:55

exploring, like personal essay

4:59

nonfiction style writing. And

4:59

then that led me into self

5:04

publishing. And then that led me

5:04

into writing my first book.

5:08

I see, I see. Also

5:08

you went into publishing the

5:11

scenes. And then into fiction.

5:11

Yeah, I'm not kind of I don't

5:17

know much about the scene world

5:17

is that you mentioned there, you

5:20

know that it's sort of cutting

5:20

and pasting and being very

5:23

visceral with your hands. If

5:23

does that still happen in the

5:26

digital world? Or has it kind of

5:26

moved on a bit?

5:29

Yeah, the digital

5:29

world has definitely shifted the

5:31

scene community and the process.

5:31

And I think there's like the,

5:35

the old schoolers of the scene

5:35

community who are very much

5:39

still like print is the way to

5:39

do it. But then you have this

5:43

whole new generation of

5:43

teamsters, who are have only

5:46

learned digital, and so I don't

5:46

see there's a right or wrong way

5:50

to do it. I think it's powerful,

5:50

however, you want to create it,

5:53

but there still, a scene

5:53

community, it's shifted, it

5:56

looks different, but it's still there.

5:59

Lovely and I always

5:59

like hearing about these other

6:01

pockets of a real niche, and

6:01

passionate people who are doing

6:05

something that they really,

6:05

really love. Just for that, just

6:09

for the sake of the love of it.

6:09

Really. Yeah, yeah. So you, you,

6:15

you help writers in many, many

6:15

different ways. And I do want to

6:18

kind of look at a few of them

6:18

today. But one way I wanted to

6:22

start was by asking you about

6:22

your coaching, because you do

6:25

coach writers and I coach

6:25

writers too, but I think we

6:29

approach it slightly

6:29

differently. And our emphasis is

6:32

on different things. So I focus

6:32

very much on the book itself and

6:37

getting the story written and

6:37

getting someone to the end of

6:39

that book. But I think your

6:39

approaches is quite different.

6:42

And I wonder if you'd share

6:42

something about it.

6:45

Yeah, I think

6:45

that I started out much where

6:48

you are, and what what you're

6:48

teaching. And then what was

6:52

coming up for me as my writers

6:52

were having issues, just getting

6:57

to the paper, just getting to

6:57

the document. And I thought,

7:00

well, hold on, there's something

7:00

happening here. This is coming

7:03

up again and again. And so you

7:03

know, I think one thing when

7:07

you're working with people, when

7:07

the most valuable things you can

7:09

do is listen, listen to them.

7:09

And so I listened, and it was,

7:15

it was their mindset, the mind.

7:15

And I thought, Oh, this is where

7:19

I get to dive deep with them.

7:19

This is where I get to go first.

7:22

Because if they're in a space

7:22

where they can't even show up to

7:26

write, how do I help them write

7:26

their book. And so then my whole

7:30

kind of curriculum, I use that

7:30

loosely, like curriculum

7:34

shifted, where I became more of

7:34

a mindset coach with writers

7:40

specifically, I helped them with

7:40

their book and on the journey,

7:44

but we're really honing in on

7:44

mindset.

7:47

So could you give me

7:47

an example of one or two sort of

7:52

common fears or common obstacles

7:52

that some new writers have, and

7:58

a possible way to sort of get

7:58

around those fears?

8:01

Yeah. So I mean,

8:01

the one that comes up is getting

8:05

it right. Wanting to get it,

8:05

right. And so you know, there's,

8:10

there's the writer that I see

8:10

that wants to collect all the

8:14

information, wants to make sure

8:14

they know every step of the

8:18

journey. And it's really just

8:18

like, you know, wanting the

8:22

there's the fear of getting it

8:22

wrong, there's a fear of not

8:25

being capable, there's a fear

8:25

of, they're out of their element

8:30

that imposter syndrome really

8:30

sets in and so working through

8:35

it is truly identifying and

8:35

helping people understand what

8:39

writing a book looks like. Like

8:39

really understanding, we don't

8:43

just sit down and the book comes

8:43

out. And we're like, woohoo,

8:45

it's done. Like it's a whole

8:45

process. And so really, for me,

8:52

I know when, you know, I worry

8:52

about something, it's because I

8:56

don't have the information to

8:56

really, you know, make a choice

9:00

that I think is going to be a

9:00

good fit for me. So I try to

9:04

give my writers as much

9:04

information as possible, like,

9:07

hey, let's talk about what's

9:07

coming up for you. And let's

9:09

talk about what step Are you in

9:09

right now you're envisioning, so

9:13

we don't have to worry about

9:13

marketing that will come. But

9:15

let's like, Come back to center

9:15

and focus on the stuff you're

9:19

actually in.

9:20

Huh? That's such

9:20

good advice and advice I need to

9:24

take myself as well, I still do

9:24

that still jump ahead to what

9:28

feels like the exciting bit when

9:28

it's out in the world. And but

9:31

actually, I need to focus on

9:31

what's at hand right now.

9:34

Whether that be first drafting,

9:34

whether that be revisions,

9:39

whatever it is, but it just

9:39

yeah, try not to jump ahead and

9:42

worry about everything. Right,

9:42

maybe I can zoom in on the now

9:46

and just focus on what's in

9:46

front of my nose. Really.

9:49

Yeah, I think

9:49

that's good advice for all of

9:51

us. It's easy to do...

9:57

And so talking about

9:57

just mentioning You know,

10:00

jumping ahead and thinking of

10:00

the marketing say, that's

10:04

another area in which I know

10:04

that you do help writers and

10:08

some of some of my listeners

10:08

might be surprised to know that

10:12

actually, the marketing and the

10:12

promotional elements of of book

10:17

writing of authorship of being a

10:17

writer is actually knowing how

10:22

to market your book, knowing how

10:22

to find readers crucially. And

10:26

so that's something that we can

10:26

all do with a bit of help with,

10:28

and and you do that with, with

10:28

your company as well. And I know

10:33

that you do it in sort of two ways. There's the packaging side, and then there's the

10:35

marketing side. I wonder if you

10:37

could speak a little bit about

10:37

what the differences between the

10:42

two? Yeah, start with that,

10:42

first of all, what's the

10:45

difference between this sort of packaging, and then the marketing side?

10:48

Like the, The

10:48

book production piece?

10:51

Yes, yes.

10:52

Awesome. Yeah. So

10:52

until your stories publishing, I

10:55

have a team of made up of

10:55

editors, book formatters, and

11:00

graphic artist for book covers.

11:00

And so I get to offer packages

11:06

where somebody doesn't have to

11:06

worry about book production,

11:09

they can buy a package and get

11:09

everything they need. And in the

11:12

end, they get their files, and

11:12

they can go wherever they want,

11:15

and print and distribute

11:15

worldwide with those files. And

11:19

then I also have the marketing

11:19

piece. And so the marketing is

11:23

like I have something where I

11:23

help people build in 30 days, to

11:27

30 days, it's really a breakdown

11:27

of 30 things that I recommend

11:30

all new writers do to start

11:30

building their author platform,

11:34

and then also offer virtual blog

11:34

tours to help people kind of

11:38

introduce themselves to the book

11:38

world specifically. So I do play

11:42

a role from vision to marketing,

11:42

and you know, do do a bit in

11:48

that whole entire journey.

11:50

I want to just jump

11:50

back a little bit when you were

11:53

talking there about, you know,

11:53

the the park, the packaging, and

11:56

the production side of it, just

11:56

for those who aren't maybe

12:00

familiar with what's involved

12:00

there. So what is it that it

12:06

would be the book cover? And

12:06

that would be perhaps for for a

12:09

digital version, as well as a

12:09

print version? Is that right?

12:13

And then what do you do?

12:15

Yeah, so that,

12:15

yeah, so with the editing, it

12:18

would be your standard copy at

12:18

it. And with the formatting,

12:24

that would be a formatting for

12:24

digital and formatting for

12:27

print. And for the book cover,

12:27

it would be an ebook cover, as

12:31

well as a full front spine and

12:31

back cover for a paperback. Um,

12:36

and I think it's really what I

12:36

would love to add is I, I love

12:40

having this package to offer

12:40

people and I'm a big fan of

12:46

authors being in control of

12:46

their books, and being in

12:49

control of the money that they

12:49

create from their books. And I

12:52

think when you have your files

12:52

like that, you're not just

12:55

putting all of your eggs in one

12:55

basket. Like sometimes people

12:58

say, Well, I could just go to

12:58

Amazon and upload this, and it

13:01

does it for me. And that is an

13:01

option. And that is a totally

13:04

valid option. And I really love

13:04

the idea of thinking about where

13:09

do you want your book, like all

13:09

of the opportunities you get. So

13:12

having your files, I just love

13:12

taking ownership of like your

13:16

journey as an author? Does that

13:16

make sense?

13:19

Yes, no, it does it

13:19

does is one of the reasons that

13:21

I opted to go down the indie

13:21

route rather than pursue a

13:25

traditional One was that element

13:25

of control. And yeah, I

13:28

succeeded or failed, it was on

13:28

on my terms, and I was in

13:32

control of that. So and the

13:32

flexibility as well that you get

13:35

with the indie space that you

13:35

don't really get in the

13:39

traditional space as much.

13:39

Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks

13:42

for just kind of clarifying.

13:42

Yeah, production side. And

13:46

because I think once we, when

13:46

we're writing our first book, in

13:50

particular, many people spend

13:50

years on it, and it becomes this

13:54

baby. And it's very precious,

13:54

and we want to hold on to it

13:58

forever. But then we have to

13:58

have this sort of mindset shift

14:02

from having this precious baby

14:02

of ours, to actually this

14:07

becomes a product that becomes a

14:07

commodity and asset for us. And

14:11

we have to switch gears, switch

14:11

hats and think, Okay, how is the

14:15

best way I can make this product

14:15

look and produce this product?

14:19

And then the next step, then is

14:19

that marketing side you

14:22

mentioned before, which is

14:22

finding the readers a place to

14:25

put it where people can find it

14:25

and access it. And you did also

14:30

mention blog tours just before

14:30

as well. So again, I wonder if

14:34

you can fill us in on what a

14:34

blog tour is, if somebody hasn't

14:38

come across that before, and the

14:38

ways that it can be helpful to a

14:43

new writer particularly.

14:44

Yeah, so I've

14:44

been helping authors create and

14:50

organize and run blog tours for

14:50

almost 10 years now. And there's

14:54

been a big shift of what it

14:54

looked like 10 years ago and

14:57

what it looks like now. So for

14:57

me blog tours are not something

15:02

that it's money focused. I think

15:02

10 years ago, there was more of

15:06

creating sales, some blog tours.

15:06

But where I feel like our

15:11

industry is now in marketing is

15:11

now blog tours are a great way

15:15

to, to gain visibility. And to

15:15

make connections with other

15:19

authors with book bloggers, book

15:19

bloggers are golden, they

15:24

usually run their blogs and

15:24

websites, free of charge, like

15:31

they don't charge authors, they

15:31

do it as a labor of love,

15:34

because they love reading so

15:34

much and promoting authors. So

15:37

blog tours allow you to just

15:37

start developing deep

15:40

connections. And I think

15:40

collaboration is key with

15:43

marketing. So a blog tour is

15:43

visibility. And it's having you

15:48

go out into this new book world,

15:48

because it's probably super new

15:51

to a lot of you and start making

15:51

those valuable connections that

15:55

where you get to support you

15:55

know, other authors or other

15:58

book bloggers, and they get to

15:58

do the same for you and so to

16:01

me, that is two of the most

16:01

important reasons why I would

16:05

recommend an author, you know,

16:05

move forward on a blog tour?

16:09

Well, certainly,

16:09

I've certainly discovered it in

16:11

my own writing life so far that

16:11

relationships are so so

16:15

important. And make the journey

16:15

so much more fun as well and

16:20

feeling that feeling less

16:20

isolated. Now I know a lot of

16:24

writers too are introverts and

16:24

blog tours. Are these still as

16:30

they sound that it's a blog,

16:30

it's a written interview or

16:34

written article about your book,

16:34

or has that switched to video

16:39

now?

16:40

Well, I think

16:40

there are opportunities where

16:43

you can go on like a bloggers,

16:43

you know, space. So for me, I

16:49

keep it on websites, like any

16:49

kind of book blogs mainly is the

16:54

type of platform I work with,

16:54

with my authors. And so authors

16:57

have the opportunity to have

16:57

their books spotlighted. They

17:00

have the opportunity to have

17:00

interviews, be a part of

17:05

interviews, which they would be

17:05

submitted questions in advance

17:09

so they can answer it on their

17:09

own. So it's nothing live or

17:13

real time. But those

17:13

opportunities are out there for

17:16

authors who want to get stretchy

17:16

and put themselves out there.

17:22

That's good to know.

17:22

Because I there certainly there

17:24

are there are those writers who

17:24

are keen to do that. And then

17:27

there are others who are no, no,

17:27

I'll just do the writing. Thank

17:30

you very much. So it's nice to

17:30

have that option. That's enough.

17:35

So let's say yes, no, they are

17:35

another thing that you do to

17:39

help writers is to have a

17:39

wonderful annual event called

17:44

finding the writer within and I

17:44

wonder if you tell us about that

17:48

as well.

17:49

Yeah, so I'm

17:49

finding the writer within is a

17:53

week long online summit that I

17:53

do where I bring in, I usually

17:59

have a vision for each one. And

17:59

so I think about who would best

18:03

serve this vision that I have

18:03

for the online event. So for

18:06

example, the I just finished up

18:06

my fifth finding the writer

18:09

within summit. And so it was

18:09

really about nourishment. I

18:12

think post 2020 a lot of my

18:12

writers were looking for that

18:16

nourishment to get back on track

18:16

with their writing. So I brought

18:19

in speakers talking about

18:19

visioning, talking about self

18:24

care, things that I felt would

18:24

really support the intention of

18:28

it. So seven days online, it's

18:28

free. It's my gift that I give

18:32

every year. And speakers come

18:32

and we do an interview style, or

18:36

most of them lead a workshop.

18:36

And it's fun. It's a great way

18:41

to introduce other teachers and

18:41

writers and speakers into my

18:45

community. And it's just it's a

18:45

cool break some home break.

18:49

Yeah, new summits

18:49

are great fun, and it's such an

18:53

easy, comfortable way of getting

18:53

some wonderful training from

18:58

people who are experienced

18:58

authors themselves or

19:01

experienced practitioners in

19:01

another way that can benefit us

19:05

or coaches or editors. I think

19:05

there are a marvelous thing and

19:10

particularly because they tend

19:10

to be free it's just means

19:12

they're so accessible to

19:12

everybody. And there's always I

19:15

find when I attend them, there's

19:15

always at least one nugget from

19:20

each speaker that I can take and

19:20

that some one thing they say to

19:24

me that resonates I think, aha,

19:24

Okay, that makes sense to me. I

19:27

can use that in my own life. So

19:27

I said yeah, for sure. And

19:33

you're also work with cats cat

19:33

z. Yeah. In cosmic smash

19:40

booking. And this looks at a

19:40

really fun adventure. I've been

19:45

looking at the website and it's

19:45

looks amazing. Tell us about

19:48

that as well.

19:50

Well, cosmic

19:50

smash booking was just like, as

19:53

I mentioned before, with my love

19:53

for scenes that that mix of

19:58

braiding and art well cosmic

19:58

smash Clicking just takes it to

20:01

this super higher level that I

20:01

just fell in love with

20:04

instantly. So for me, the way I

20:04

describe cosmic smash booking is

20:08

it's an intentional creative

20:08

process. So scrapping the idea

20:12

you have to be an artist to

20:12

participate writers or

20:14

creatives, we get to take

20:14

ownership of that. And so cosmic

20:19

smash booking is this place

20:19

where you can vision pieces of

20:22

your story, you can play around

20:22

with character development, it's

20:25

great for those writers like me,

20:25

who learned visually, and so or

20:31

they need that visual kick to

20:31

get the creative juices flowing.

20:36

And so you can create a page

20:36

around characters, you can

20:40

create pages to stimulate

20:40

setting ideas. And you can also

20:43

intentionally go to a cosmic

20:43

smash book page and create

20:47

something around limiting

20:47

beliefs that are coming up. And

20:50

so it's a step by step process.

20:50

It's, you know, anyone can do

20:55

it. I mean, if you have paper

20:55

and pen, that is enough. It's

20:59

just a beautiful, intentional

20:59

process. I use it as a tool with

21:02

my writers. I think it's just

21:02

like I said, between visioning

21:07

and mindset work, it's it's so

21:07

valuable.

21:10

And so is this

21:10

something that attendees we do

21:14

on a weekly basis? Do you sort

21:14

of sign up for a package if you

21:18

like? Or is it something people

21:18

can drop in and out of?

21:21

Yeah, so right

21:21

now I'm offering the cosmic

21:24

smash booking I have a Online

21:24

Writing community called

21:27

storytellers and wild creatives.

21:27

And so we, we smash book every

21:32

week together. So sometimes I

21:32

just check in with everybody and

21:35

I'm like, where are we at? Let's

21:35

do a check in and then there's

21:38

always this common thread going

21:38

on with all of us. And so I'll

21:41

say, oh, it sounds like we get

21:41

to do a page about releasing, or

21:44

we get to do a page about this.

21:44

And so we'll do a page together.

21:47

And within that hour, we you

21:47

know, I walk through the page

21:51

and talk about the steps and so

21:51

it's, uh, you know, I've got a,

21:55

I've got a juicy idea about

21:55

doing a cosmic smash booking

21:59

retreat for, for authors,

21:59

specifically around their book

22:03

and book creation. So I have so

22:03

many ideas.

22:08

Sounds great. So

22:08

storytellers, and writing

22:11

creatives. And this is where you

22:11

do your cosmic smash booking. So

22:15

if people wanted to find out

22:15

more about that, is that on your

22:18

website?

22:20

Yes. If you if

22:20

you go to my website, for sure.

22:23

I'm always sending information

22:23

about about what I'm up to, if

22:26

you sign up for the newsletter

22:26

that goes out, and storytellers

22:31

and wild creatives is an annual

22:31

membership community. And you

22:35

know, sometimes people like

22:35

annual I have to sign up for a

22:38

whole year, but the intention is

22:38

connection and relationship

22:41

building with other authors. And

22:41

so I think that's important. I

22:46

think like you had mentioned,

22:46

writers tend to be introverts,

22:49

we tend to do things on our own.

22:49

We tend to be lone Wolfers. And

22:53

so this community really brings

22:53

in this possibility of a space

22:58

to just authentically show up

22:58

and what's, what's coming up for

23:02

you as an author. Yes, we get to

23:02

write together Yes, we get to do

23:05

the author things. But there's

23:05

this realness that I think we

23:09

just don't get enough of with

23:09

other creative women.

23:12

Oh, that's lovely.

23:12

We'll I'll be sure to put a link

23:15

to that in the show notes.

23:15

Absolutely. So you've given us a

23:20

lot today, you're clearly a

23:20

very, very busy woman. But

23:24

you're still a writer at heart,

23:24

you write yourself. So I know

23:27

you're writing a young adult

23:27

series. Would you tell us about

23:32

that?

23:33

Oh, yeah, so I'm

23:33

writing a young adult series. My

23:36

first book was called invoking

23:36

Nonna. My second one is sisters

23:39

in the craft, and I'm working on

23:39

my third book now. So it's a

23:43

young adult magical realism

23:43

series about three generations

23:47

of women set in the 90s. And the

23:47

70s, and the 50s, it shifts and

23:54

so we get to see the daughter,

23:54

the mother and the grandmother

23:57

and really explore in those

23:57

different areas, their spiritual

24:01

abilities, and, you know, really

24:01

them understanding what they

24:05

mean. And then seeing the

24:05

generational tie over the years,

24:08

and there's a drama and magic.

24:14

Yeah, I love that

24:14

you started with the 90s, which

24:19

would also be classed as

24:19

historical Now again, and then

24:23

move back and we get to know

24:23

each generation. That's lovely

24:26

idea. I like it. Yeah. Now we're

24:26

coming towards the end of our

24:31

time together, but in your

24:31

biography in your bio that you

24:35

sent you and you mentioned that

24:35

you are a vintage typewriter

24:38

collector. And so I'd love to

24:38

know what the interest is in

24:43

vintage typewriters. And what's

24:43

your favorite make or model?

24:47

Well, it's the my

24:47

favorite one is my cursive

24:50

typewriter. I even after

24:50

collecting typewriters, I didn't

24:54

realize there was cursive

24:54

typewriters and when I received

24:58

a letter from someone The Xen

24:58

community because one of the

25:01

beautiful parts about the zinc

25:01

community is very, it's very

25:04

hands on more sending actual

25:04

letters through the post office

25:09

than emails. And so there's this

25:09

magic of getting mail when

25:12

you're an adult. That's not

25:12

Bill's right. And so, but she

25:19

had, she had typed her letter to

25:19

me on a cursive typewriter, and

25:23

I was just like, on a mission to

25:23

find a purse of typewriter. And

25:26

one day, I walked into our local

25:26

antique store, and it was

25:30

sitting there, and it worked.

25:30

And so that is my favorite, but

25:33

it's just beautiful. It's just

25:33

like a work of art when you're

25:37

typing on that thing. And I

25:37

don't know, I think when I was a

25:41

teenager, I went through a big

25:41

Beat Generation phase where I

25:46

love to be writers. And I mean,

25:46

they were just classic writing

25:50

on typewriters. And so I think

25:50

that's where the obsession,

25:54

collections started.

25:57

They've got a sort

25:57

of aesthetic beauty about them,

25:59

don't they? They evoke a very

25:59

particular period in time, and a

26:03

kind of coolness about them.

26:03

Yeah, I like it. I like it. And

26:09

well, just around as

26:09

authentically, as do let

26:12

listeners know where they can

26:12

find out more about you. And

26:16

actually, and your online

26:16

writing retreats, where can they

26:19

find out about that online?

26:22

Oh, yeah, yeah.

26:22

So I'm gonna start sending out

26:25

some information about the

26:25

writing retreat that I'm hosting

26:28

next month. And if you go to

26:28

Sage at early knocks on k kn o

26:32

x.com. You can sign up for my

26:32

newsletter, and I send out

26:37

information and I like to think

26:37

my newsletters are fun and non

26:41

annoying. And, and but I'm

26:41

always but yeah, that's, that's

26:48

something that I'm planning.

26:48

Next, I'm super excited about

26:51

being able to offer that

26:51

retreat. So if you hop on to the

26:54

newsletter, you'll get the

26:54

updates right away about what

26:56

it's going to be to see if it's

26:56

a good fit for you. And if you

26:59

want to hop on and join us.

27:01

Fantastic. Oh,

27:01

that's wonderful. We'll say

27:04

thank you so much for giving me

27:04

some of your time today. I've

27:06

really enjoyed getting to know

27:06

more about you and what you do.

27:10

This was so fun.

27:10

Thank you for the opportunity.

27:14

Well, thank you so

27:14

much for joining me today. I

27:17

hope you find that helpful and

27:17

inspirational. Now, don't forget

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27:48

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