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everybody. It's twisted history podcast. It's

2:09

myself. It's Jeff Hibbert. It's

2:11

Jack Coleman, and it's the Saint Saint

2:13

Anne. John is I don't think John's in the

2:15

office today. Yeah. He's having a hair transplant.

2:17

He he has plugs. John has plugs that he has to

2:19

have done redone every now and again. I'm sure

2:21

he won't cut that. Exactly.

2:26

The reason that we're doing the twisted history Joe

2:28

Lewis this week is because

2:30

we brought up Joe couple

2:32

of weeks or last week was mascots? Yeah.

2:34

Last week, mascots were gonna do it. And

2:36

one of the other reasons that we

2:38

are doing twist history of Joe Lewis this

2:40

week is because whenever we

2:42

ask people nowadays, who's

2:44

the best, I don't know, baseball player

2:46

of all time, best basketball player

2:49

of all time, best hockey player of all time.

2:51

Even younger kids, which is

2:53

everybody compared to me, still have some

2:55

degree of historical perspective. So

2:57

people will still throw out Michael Jordan as opposed

3:00

to LeBron James. Right? People will even

3:02

go further back and say, Bill Russell

3:04

with the NBA. People go back to Gretzky

3:06

all the time. Football, you know,

3:09

people tend to be more more

3:11

recent, but that's because a lot of the true grades in

3:13

football have been more recent like a Tom Brady.

3:15

Boxing, we tend to stay in the now.

3:18

So if I was to go around this office and

3:20

maybe I will. Maybe I'll do one of those horrible

3:22

things that we do for TikTok. Love those.

3:24

Yeah. I can yeah. It's

3:26

like, who do you wanna eat turkey with? Kim

3:28

Kardashian or, you know, like,

3:32

who's the greatest heavyweight of all time? And

3:35

The easy answer is Muhammad

3:36

Ali. Seems to be, like, the most

3:38

respected answer. I'd say

3:40

that'd be the most common answer.

3:41

Right. It's the wrong one. Because you hear about him. Yeah.

3:43

It's

3:44

because he's he's infiltrated pop culture the most, I

3:46

think.

3:46

I not. I think I One hundred

3:47

percent. Yeah. One hundred percent, I think, he

3:49

has. And, you know, Ollie is an elite fighter

3:52

and historic fighter generation. Fighter or whatever

3:54

want to say. But what I'm gonna

3:56

try to do today? Well, like

3:58

to your point, there's so many Muhammad

4:00

Ali and Mike Tyson t shirts.

4:02

That kids wear. So to, like, you know, name

4:05

three songs by that band when someone's wearing

4:07

a deaf leopard t shirt, you know. Like, name

4:09

three, you know, biggie songs. You know, Jackson

4:11

and a biggie thing. People

4:14

will Well, that doesn't Well, I'm sorry. Little

4:16

Wayne and I apologize. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

4:18

So Like, I think

4:20

people with boxing, they

4:22

don't even know. Particularly

4:25

with Mike Tyson because Mike Tyson was such a

4:27

supervillain. You know, more about the stories

4:29

than maybe the quality of

4:31

his opponents or what his record was or how

4:33

he fit in historically into the heavyweight division.

4:36

People know you know, of Muhammad

4:38

Ali, but they don't really know about Muhammad

4:40

Ali. And when you get asked who's

4:42

the greatest fighter of all time, I'm gonna

4:44

spend the next hour and a half or so convincing

4:46

you that it's Joe Lewis. And think and

4:48

I think it should be Joe Lewis with a bullet.

4:50

I just asked Frank. I said Frank,

4:53

who's the greatest frank the tank, sports

4:55

historian. I said, who's the greatest

4:57

heavyweight of all time? And you can't choose

4:59

Muhammad Ali. He's like, I would never choose Muhammad

5:01

Ali. I said,

5:02

hey, dude. Frank, you can't trick

5:04

Frank with

5:04

that. He cannot. Yeah.

5:06

He's on his game. And he said Rocky Marciano.

5:08

So he said Marciano. So now we're getting

5:11

into that Coming

5:13

to America barbershop

5:15

scene, where think Eddie Murphy played

5:18

all the characters, you know, Jacob Gooden Jr.

5:20

Was in the was in the chair getting his

5:22

haircut. It's like, you know, rockinin Oceano,

5:25

rockinin Oceano, you know, like, all that kind of

5:27

stuff. We're gonna get into

5:29

it

5:29

today. That's what we're gonna get into. Okay? Because

5:31

I don't know if I'm interrupting.

5:33

No. The the the linear thought, Sonny

5:35

Liston, Can you is he better

5:37

than Joe Lewis? I know So Mohammed Ali beat him.

5:39

That's the whole idea. So people

5:42

when I asked who's the hardest puncher? In

5:45

professional boxing history. It's

5:47

so easy to say, Mike Tyson.

5:49

Because Mike Tyson has a highlight reel

5:51

that is you know, it's just

5:53

awesome. Anyone anyone who's not a boxing fan

5:56

can watch Mike Tyson's greatest hits. He can

5:58

he knocked down Trevor Berg three times with one

6:00

punch. Right? Mike Tyson knocked it

6:02

now three times with one punch. That's

6:04

astounding. So to say like Mike Tyson

6:07

is an easy thing to say. And it's also

6:09

wrong. Deontay Wilder, who's

6:11

like a phenomenal puncher who's

6:13

active today. George Forman, phenomenal

6:16

puncture, big hands, and whatnot. But

6:18

when we did a twisted history of Sonny Liston,

6:20

and I had said that a sports rider had said it was

6:22

like Sonny Liston had cannonballs hanging off the end

6:24

of his arms. People now say Sunny

6:26

Listen, who listened to the show,

6:28

was the hardest puncher in the history

6:30

of boxing, and I love the fact that they're

6:32

doing that. Sun is certainly true. We can argue,

6:35

maybe it's theiate. You know, maybe it's

6:37

forming, maybe it's, you know, somebody that we haven't

6:39

spoke about. But and Sonny

6:41

listened at such an interesting story

6:43

right up until his untimely death

6:46

out in Vegas that he was a perfect you

6:49

know, subject. And

6:51

Joe Lewis is possibly

6:53

more interesting than Sonny Liston.

6:55

And he's a bet he's a better fighter. So Sonny Liston

6:58

was was breaking ankles and

7:00

knee caps for the mob. Did Joe Lewis

7:02

do any of this? Joe Lewis has he

7:04

he had some mob ties and

7:06

then particularly towards the end of his life

7:08

when he was a basically security

7:10

guard at a Vegas casino. I

7:12

mean, I'll get into it, but Frank Sinatra paid

7:14

for paid for one of

7:16

his one of his operations. Like

7:19

Frank Sinatra, who is a big, you know,

7:22

guy who used to go to casino where Joe worked,

7:24

had flown a doctrine from Houston to operate

7:26

on Joe Lewis. That's kinda cool. Like, Sonocha

7:28

type thing. And Sonocha is mobbed

7:29

up. And that's

7:30

what I was saying. A casino in Job

7:32

Joe lost himself. His

7:33

fucking dead hook. Right? Or imagine

7:35

being in, like, a world war and the division

7:37

you're going up has, again, because Joe

7:39

was in the army, had Joe Lewis

7:41

and Jackie Robinson in it. I mean, that's kinda cold

7:43

too. Right? So I'm hoping that when I

7:45

say something like that. Joe Lewis and Jackie

7:47

Robinson were in the army together. I'm hoping that

7:50

gives you guys some warm fuzzies because

7:52

this should be filled with warm fuzzies for you

7:54

guys, particularly when I say Google

7:56

the shit out of something. It's

7:58

usually a girl who

8:00

used to wear tight sweaters. Remember, Google the shit

8:02

out of this time when I tell you to Google

8:04

the shit out of some of these boxers, from

8:07

the past. They're they're absolute

8:10

characters. Just the way that they look,

8:12

the way that they were were absolute characters,

8:14

so much so that we're probably not gonna see that

8:17

type of character ever again.

8:19

And that's where I'm taking a little bit of umptage with

8:21

a recent podcast by Dan Carlin

8:23

and some historian where he was trying to go

8:25

apples to apples and say

8:27

that old school boxers were more

8:29

technically sound than these behemoths

8:31

that we have today. I'm interviewing Tyson Fury

8:33

right after this. And

8:36

I and I really disagree with that. And I am gonna

8:38

talk to you guys about a couple of fucking behemoths

8:40

today that break that, you know, mold

8:42

-- Mhmm. -- that that Dan and some dude

8:44

were saying, fuck those guys. Again,

8:47

Dan Collins has great hardware history. It's

8:49

great podcast. Okay. So what

8:51

we're gonna do, Joe Lewis. Joe

8:54

Lewis should be on your list is my point,

8:56

and it's going to be on your list.

8:58

But how did we come across it more specifically?

9:01

When we were talking about Paul Brown, the

9:03

legendary football coach, and

9:06

we were talking about the

9:08

fact that the browns were named after Paul

9:10

Brown. I had mentioned that some people claimed

9:12

that the browns were actually named after famous

9:14

boxer Joe Lewis, who was nicknamed the

9:17

brown bomber. Mhmm. So the browns

9:19

were supposed to be called the brown bombers, and

9:21

then it got shortened to the browns. Okay?

9:23

And then I got all emotional saying that Joe Lewis

9:25

was a stud. His historic rematch with

9:28

German boxer Mac Schmelling in nineteen thirty

9:30

eight. Nineteen thirty eight. Very

9:32

important part of fucking history for

9:34

the world, much less boxing. And that

9:36

was a focal point of anti Nazi sentiment

9:38

leading up to during World War two,

9:40

which is why he's widely regarded as the first

9:43

person of African American descent to achieve

9:45

the status of nationwide hero

9:47

within the US within the United States.

9:49

Let's Bank. He's the first US hero

9:52

that was black, but he had no ties

9:54

to Cleveland. Right? So even

9:56

though Joe Lewis was extraordinary, I

9:58

think the idea Paul Brown being the origin

10:00

for Cleveland's mascot holds

10:02

more water. I shoulda stopped there.

10:05

I couldn't help myself. I said

10:07

Joe Lewis was the heavyweight champ from nineteen

10:09

thirty seven to nineteen forty nine. A

10:11

twelve year stint. That's a very long time in

10:13

boxing terms. That's the longest single

10:15

reign as champion of any boxer

10:17

in history. And he had twenty five

10:20

consecutive defenses. Twenty five

10:22

men tried to come in and take his shit,

10:24

and twenty five men left. Think only

10:26

three of them by decision. So Joe Lewis is the

10:28

Sun King of Fox.

10:30

Absolutely. Yeah. He's the longest reign

10:32

of any monarch Park. And I think that's that's

10:34

something that should be taken into consideration more

10:36

so than Rocky Marciano's perfect record. I'll

10:39

get to that. And that's why Frank is wrong thinking

10:41

that it's Brachy Marciano. Sorry,

10:43

Frank. And then I also mentioned briefly

10:45

that he was instrumental in breaking

10:47

the color barrier in Gauff. He is he integrated

10:50

professional Gauff. He was given some sort

10:52

of sponsors exemption, and he appeared

10:54

in the PGA event in nineteen fifty two, his

10:56

first black person to appear in a

10:58

PGA event. He broke the color barrier and fucking

11:01

cough. That's that's extraordinary.

11:03

Extraordinary. And that's why we're here today.

11:05

That's why we're here doing the twist of history, Joe

11:07

Lewis. Okay? Yep. I'm gonna start with this

11:09

record, then I'm gonna move backwards. Because

11:11

I think a record is the way that I can put

11:13

them against probably the second greatest heavyweight

11:16

of all time, and that's Muhammad Ali. Okay?

11:18

And that's arguable. People can argue that

11:20

all they want. I really don't give a shit. Joe

11:22

Lewis is number one with a bullet for me, but I'm gonna

11:24

talk about Ali. So Joe Lewis,

11:27

I'm gonna throw out a lot of numbers here. Jack, you're

11:29

gonna have fucking pay attention in this. Joe

11:31

Lewis was sixty six and

11:33

three

11:34

with fifty two knockouts, sixty

11:37

six and three with fifty two knockouts.

11:39

Can I say this is between

11:40

nineteen thirty four and nineteen fifty

11:43

one?

11:43

Right. Yes. That's his that's

11:45

his career. And I'm actually

11:47

gonna shorten that. Okay. actually gonna shorten

11:49

that, but and I'll I'll I'll I will get

11:51

to that. Perfect. Because I'm saying that he

11:53

has three losses, Vipps, and you're saying

11:55

he has three losses up to fifty one.

11:57

Mhmm. I'm

11:57

gonna say that he only has one loss because

12:00

he retired in nineteen forty eight. And

12:02

then he came back from retirement and

12:05

got two terrible losses. It's a problem

12:07

with fighters. Leaders don't know when to walk away.

12:09

Mohammed Ali didn't know when to walk away. Joe

12:11

Lewis couldn't walk away. I'm gonna get to that

12:14

in a second too. Alright? He only lost

12:16

once in his prime up to nineteen

12:18

forty eight. And that was to the Nazi

12:20

that I mentioned. Smelling. Smelling. Yeah.

12:23

Who picked out a floor in Lewis' technique,

12:25

and I and I will get to that also. And

12:27

then that loss was avenged in

12:29

devastating style. In a

12:31

sold out Yankee Stadium in New

12:33

York City. With

12:36

Clark Gable and Jay Edgar

12:38

Hoover sitting in the first row. That's

12:40

cool to think about. Joe

12:42

delivered two minutes and four

12:44

seconds of pure violence.

12:48

And he wound up ending,

12:51

max smelling, and breaking his

12:53

fucking back. And

12:55

if you're gonna the way that they touted this,

12:57

I'm gonna get into a fight a little bit later on.

13:00

The way that they touted this, Hitler

13:02

was making positive comments about

13:06

Mac Schmelling. The Nazi party

13:09

propaganda guy was making comments

13:11

about how no black man could ever be

13:13

to German. And Joe Lewis packs

13:15

Clark Gable and Jayad Gohoover into

13:18

the front fucking row, and he broke

13:20

this Nazi's back in two minutes

13:22

and four seconds. I think that's

13:24

fucking hot. He's the best buyer. He's the best

13:26

buyer as well. You try that next week. You try that world

13:28

cup. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

13:32

So when he first retired in nineteen

13:34

forty one, he did so as a champion with a

13:36

fifty eight in one record. A fifty

13:38

eight in one record And I make this distinction

13:40

not to promote Lewis, but to point out flaws

13:42

in other great records. Remember, Lewis

13:45

was sixty six and three, like I had said,

13:47

Muhammad Ali. The quote unquote greatest

13:50

was fifty six and five with

13:53

thirty seven k o's, sixty

13:55

six and three, fifty six and five.

13:57

But the same way that what I'm gonna do to

13:59

Joe Lewis post forty

14:01

eight, I'm gonna do with Ali post

14:04

seventy eight. So I'm gonna look at Ali

14:07

pre

14:07

Parkinson's, which is sounds

14:09

terrible to say, but it's it's an absolute

14:11

reality.

14:12

I think it's crazy to let him fight.

14:14

While he Was

14:15

he was he just fighting for money? He just need a money?

14:17

Yes. Yeah. It wasn't for glory,

14:19

like,

14:19

for fame. Yeah. Yeah. And same thing with it

14:21

was same thing with Lewis.

14:22

Yeah. So if you go Parkinson's,

14:26

so fifty six and five. So

14:28

if you go nineteen seventy eight earlier

14:30

and you look at Ollie's record, Ali

14:33

lost to Joe Fraser. He only had

14:35

three losses, fifty six and five, but

14:37

it was actually only three losses before nineteen

14:39

seventy eight. Those three losses were

14:42

to Joe Fraser, who's a household name?

14:44

Joe Fraser, smoke a Joe Fraser's household name.

14:46

And then he came back and he beat Joe Fraser

14:49

twice. K? That's what Ali

14:51

did. Then he lost to Ken Norton.

14:53

Ken Norton is household name for me, maybe

14:55

not for other people. But he came back

14:58

and he beat Ken Norton twice.

15:00

And then in seventy eight, at

15:03

what should have been the tail end of his career,

15:06

a thirty six year old Ali. Lost

15:09

to a twenty four year old gold

15:12

medalist named Leon

15:13

Spinks. Right? Everyone kinda heard

15:15

about Spinks -- Yeah. --

15:16

family. And then beat

15:19

Spinks in a highly attended

15:21

rematch seven months later. This

15:23

is nineteen seventy eight. Spinks

15:25

this young, not too handsome. Gold

15:28

Medalist comes in beats Ollie. Ollie

15:30

Ollie was out of shape for that fight. He comes

15:32

back and he beats Spinks seven

15:35

months later. That rematch occurred

15:37

in the Superdomen New Orleans. With

15:40

New Orleans, with seventy thousand people

15:42

attending, making it the largest

15:44

live gate in boxing history. And

15:47

that record stood for over forty

15:49

years until Canelo put

15:52

seventy three thousand asses, including

15:54

mine, ringside, in cowboy stadium

15:57

to break Billy Saunders' right orbital bone in

15:59

the eighth round. That's the one who can canelo

16:01

gave me the six guns after the fight. That was

16:03

that fight. Saunders Corner refused

16:05

to let their fight to come out for the ninth, and

16:07

Canelo shot me awake. But back to

16:09

Ollie Spinks part two in nineteen seventy

16:11

eight, Parkinson's was starting to

16:14

show by then. And Ollie was

16:16

the most out of shape he had ever been

16:18

by nineteen seventy eight. Still his

16:20

victory over young spanx made Ali

16:22

the first man to win the World heavyweight

16:24

championship three times. Joe

16:27

Lewis didn't have to win the championship three

16:29

times, because he never lost when

16:31

he was defending his championship. But

16:33

Ali lost and won the World heavyweight

16:35

championship three times. And

16:37

at seventy eight when he had done that historic

16:40

third heavyweight championship, he

16:42

could have walked away at fifty

16:44

six and three and a fucking

16:47

legend. That would have been a legendary

16:49

way frothy to walk way in seventy

16:51

eight. Mhmm. But he didn't. He came

16:54

back two years later. And

16:56

it was around the time when he was starting

16:58

to struggle with vocal stutters and

17:00

trembling hands. To shame,

17:03

the Nevada athletic commission ordered

17:06

that he undergo a complete physical in

17:08

Las Vegas before being allowed to fight again.

17:10

Instead of doing that, Ollie chose

17:13

to check into the Mayo Clinic who

17:15

declared unfit to fight and the

17:17

Nevada athletic commission took that

17:19

as gospel. So the Nevada athletic

17:21

commission let Ollie fight, but they

17:23

let him fight on the okay

17:26

from the Mayo

17:27

Clinic.

17:27

It's in Mayo Clinic. Yeah. And

17:29

they should have never let

17:31

him fight because he got smoked

17:35

by Larry Holmes. Larry

17:37

Holmes was a disciple of Ollie,

17:39

and after the tenth round, Angelo

17:41

Dundee, who was Ollie's trainer, stepped

17:43

into the ring and instructed the referee to stop

17:45

the fight. It was the only time Ali

17:47

ever lost by stoppage, and Holmes

17:50

said he was almost in tears as

17:52

he beat the balls off legend. Sylvester

17:55

Stallone was ringside for that fight.

17:57

And he said, I like this this quote by Sylvester

18:00

Stallone. He said it was, like, watching an

18:02

autopsy on a man who is still alive.

18:04

Yeah. He's pretty hardcore. That's fucking terrible.

18:07

To see a guy like Ali get punched around

18:09

by by the way, a serviceable champion.

18:11

In Larry Holmes, the Eastern Assassin.

18:14

And then despite pleas to

18:16

definitively retire after Larry

18:19

Holmes, Ali fought one last

18:21

time. In December of nineteen

18:23

eighty one, in Nashville, Bahamas,

18:25

against Trevor Burbic, losing

18:28

a ten round decision. And I've covered

18:30

Trevor Burbit before. He's

18:32

the only man to afford Ali, Larry

18:35

Holmes, and my Mike Tyson. Right?

18:37

Larry Holmes fought Ali and Mike Tyson,

18:39

but he never fought himself. Trevor Burrick

18:41

is the only man to fight those three champions.

18:44

Ali Holmes and Tyson. But

18:46

he wasn't very good. Right? He

18:48

did he did have that.

18:51

What was

18:51

the record against those three? I so he

18:54

beat Ali. When he fought Tyson,

18:56

I mentioned this, he was knocked down three times with

18:58

one punch. Trevor Burrick spent

19:00

fifteen months in prison for rape. Trevor

19:03

Burbeck was brutally murdered in Jamaica

19:05

by his nephew who beat him to death with a

19:07

pipe over like real estate deal. Trevor

19:10

Burrick is very fucking interesting. Wasn't

19:12

a great fighter, but he's got a great fucking story.

19:14

Yeah. Yeah. Rape, murder, pipe

19:16

hitting, beaten Ali, all that kind of

19:18

stuff. Being knocked down. So Trevor

19:20

Burbank was very, very interesting, but he wasn't

19:22

a great fighter. It doesn't matter. We're talking about

19:24

Ali in his record versus Lewis's record.

19:27

In retrospect, Ali's final record

19:29

of fifty six and five looks more like

19:31

fifty six and three with those

19:33

three defenses of those losses before

19:35

he made two bad decisions. That's how I look

19:37

at Ollie's career. Mhmm. I look at it as fifty

19:40

six and three and two bad decisions.

19:42

Okay? Similarly, Joe

19:44

Lewis retired in nineteen

19:46

forty eight with a record of fifty eight and

19:48

one. Fifty eight and one.

19:51

And he looked terrible in his last two fights against

19:53

Jersey Joe Walcott, which he won.

19:55

But apparently, Lewis was no longer

19:57

the fighter he had once been. So

20:00

he so he retired, but two years

20:02

later, two years away from

20:04

fighting, two years at just playing golf.

20:06

The IRS finished the full audit of Lewis'

20:09

passed returns and announced that with interest,

20:11

he owed more than five hundred grand. They said the numbers

20:14

closer to one point one million. So

20:16

Joe had no choice to procure returns the

20:18

ring.

20:18

Unretired.

20:19

Yeah. He lost the Azerich Charles. Azerich

20:22

Charles. I mentioned flippantly that Azerich

20:24

Charles had killed a man in the ring

20:26

once. And that's gonna come back. It's Joe

20:29

Lewis has fought three guys who'd killed a man in

20:31

the ring before he was in there. So

20:33

he fought Desert Charles with his

20:35

return match. Lost. Then

20:38

he beat seven know names in nineteen fifty

20:40

one, all in nineteen fifty one. So

20:42

after being out for two years, he fought

20:44

like eight times in one year. And

20:47

after that, he got a shot at a

20:49

twenty seven year old contender named

20:51

Rocky Marciano on October

20:53

twenty six, nine eighteen fifty one.

20:56

A young Rocky Marciano. I'm throwing

20:58

around a lot of old school

20:59

names. You guys had to have heard a lot

21:00

Yeah. -- you bring

21:01

up Waltcott. He was he was the ref

21:04

Mohammed Ali in Sunnylisten. Yeah.

21:06

So, yeah, Jersey Joe Walcott became

21:08

a ref after was a fighter in and he had

21:10

some controversy around a couple of his

21:13

a couple of his just refilling

21:15

jobs. It's not an easy job. As you know, I'm a

21:17

I'm

21:18

certified. We're gonna post

21:19

the picture of him because he was so excited

21:21

too. And his and his, like, stripes

21:23

and stripes. Oh, yeah.

21:25

Oh, yeah. He hit the lanyard around the two, so

21:27

you'd really complements the strategies.

21:28

What is

21:29

this so many fun? I'm not making fun.

21:31

You were really excited. I had a hundred and four feet

21:33

where he came in with that on. Talking

21:35

about old school box that you have a registered fucking

21:37

amateur referee. Please don't make fun of me.

21:39

How many how many fights does a fighter allowed to do in

21:41

a year?

21:42

So you can

21:43

you can fight as many times as you want. Like, Joe

21:45

Lewis at one point had the bum of the month club where

21:47

he's fighting just about every month and he used to fight

21:49

a lot more. Back in the day. But now Cannello,

21:52

if he does four fights in twelve

21:54

months, not necessarily in the calendar year,

21:56

that's a hell of a lot. He did it last

21:58

year. He won't do it again this year. So typically,

22:00

fighters will fight two, maybe three

22:02

times, but it's not on you know,

22:04

it's not very rare. It's

22:07

oftentimes that a very good fighter sometimes

22:09

fights even once a year. Terence Crawford

22:11

barely fights once a year. So

22:13

to fight, you know, eight times after being

22:15

out of the ring for two years

22:18

is extraordinary. Mhmm. Alright.

22:20

So I'll say that again. Just get everyone up. Two

22:22

years after retiring, Joe Lewis

22:24

came back out of shape and

22:26

desperate for money. And he fought eight

22:29

times just over a year, going seven

22:31

and one and lining himself up to fight

22:33

a young stud named Rocky Marciano. Rocky

22:35

Marciano was at the beginning of his career. Now

22:37

Marciano is also in the discussion of greatest

22:39

everweights all time because Frank had

22:41

said so. And it's the reason

22:43

Frank says that he's the greatest is because

22:45

unlike these other two fucking dope's.

22:48

Ollie and Joe Lewis, Rocky McIado

22:51

retired undefeated. He's the only

22:53

heavyweight champion to do so. Marziano

22:55

got knocked down by Archie

22:58

Moore in his last fight, in the second

23:00

round of his last fight. He got up off the

23:02

canvas, and he knocked Archie Moore

23:04

out seven rounds later. And

23:06

after that fight, at forty nine to no,

23:08

he's like, fuck this. I'm out. I'm

23:10

out. And he retired. Forty nine

23:12

to no, so some people consider him the greatest heavyweight

23:15

of all time because he doesn't have that l.

23:17

Is that why I wouldn't it mayweather broke

23:19

fifty. It was such a big deal. Yeah.

23:21

So fifty and o broke Marciano's record,

23:23

and that's why it was such a big

23:25

deal. And

23:27

Los Angeles remains the fire the only fighter

23:30

to have stopped every opponent he

23:32

ever faced for a World heavyweight title.

23:35

No one challenged him for the World heavyweight

23:37

title and went the distance. So

23:39

at twenty seven years old, Marziano

23:42

fights a thirty up the thirty

23:44

eight year old washed up and heavily

23:47

in-depth Joe Lewis. And

23:49

Lewis was dropped in the eighth round by

23:51

Marceano left and he was knocked

23:53

through the ropes and out of the ring

23:55

less than thirty seconds later. That's not

23:58

a good look. Okay? Same

24:00

as Ali, two demoralizing losses

24:02

at the end of an otherwise stellar career,

24:05

Sully's Joe Lewis' record. But

24:07

Lewis's last came at the hands

24:09

of Marceano, and Ali's last

24:11

came at the hands of a rapist who was beaten to death

24:13

by his nephew with a pipe I give it the

24:15

advantage to Lewis. So my point is

24:17

is that if you're gonna look at the forty nine and

24:19

o, you should probably trim the

24:21

records of Ali and Joe Lewis to get a little

24:24

bit closer and I think from the outside

24:26

thirty thousand feet, Joe Lewis is the

24:28

greatest fighter ever lived. I'm gonna say that a bunch

24:30

of times. Let's go back and do some history.

24:32

Joseph Lewis Barrow. His last

24:34

name's not Lewis. Last name is Barrow. He

24:36

was born in Lafayette, Alabama, nineteen

24:39

fourteen, he was the seventh of eight children.

24:41

Okay? He was the grandson of slaves and

24:43

actually the great grandson of a slave owner.

24:45

I don't know how that works. And Lewis was

24:47

also one quarter Cherokee Native

24:49

American. So he was a Beniton Ed.

24:52

The Barrow home in Lafayette was next to

24:54

a cotton field and growing up. Lewis and

24:56

his seven siblings often slept three and

24:58

four to a bed. We didn't grow up as

25:00

a rich dude. As often as the case with most

25:02

people we talk about. Yeah. Most fighters, I feel

25:04

like too, like that. Oh, yeah. They come from

25:07

edge. Same thing. Like someone they

25:09

said when who are we talking about

25:11

before? Sunny listed.

25:13

They said even when you would watch him fight as

25:15

an adult, you could still see the the whipp marks

25:17

on his back from his father. Dan? Like his father, he's

25:19

hit him with the switch so he could still see that type of

25:21

shit. Joe Lewis'

25:24

father, Joe Lewis' Barrow father's name was

25:26

Monroe Barrow. Monroe Barrow, they used

25:28

to call him. He was a shared cropper, and when

25:30

Joe was only two years old in nineteen sixteen,

25:32

his father was committed to an asylum. He's

25:35

putting mental hospital and he never got out.

25:37

Right? As a result, Joe knew very

25:39

little about him. Around nineteen

25:42

twenty, Lewis mother married a guy named

25:44

Pat Brooks after she received

25:46

the word that Monroe died

25:48

while being institutionalized. So

25:50

the Lewis family knew that their dad was sent

25:53

away to the puzzle factory. They

25:55

thought that he had died within two years,

25:57

but here's the thing. Even though most

25:59

sources say that Joe's dad died

26:01

within two years. In reality, Monroe

26:04

Barrow lived till nineteen thirty eight.

26:06

So he went in, in nineteen sixteen. He lived

26:08

till nineteen thirty eight. And he died

26:11

totally unaware that Joe

26:13

Lewis, this guy who is thirty

26:15

five fights into his pro career, was

26:18

his father, was his son rather So

26:20

when this guy died in the same asylum,

26:22

he had no idea that his kid was fucking Joe

26:24

Lewis. Right? That's crazy. I

26:26

mean, literally. That. Yeah. Joe was

26:29

seven when the family moved to Detroit.

26:31

Okay? So in Lafayette, Alabama

26:33

--

26:33

Yeah. what's that?

26:35

Kinda it's a what ways to It is. That's

26:37

a yeah. It's a hard for you. You have a son

26:39

and your son becomes who I'm gonna say

26:41

is a great

26:41

American, great person in the greatest box we ever

26:43

lived, and you never know about it. Mhmm. And

26:46

the quality of people who were sent to mental institutions

26:48

This was not like it was his choice, though. Obviously, it's such

26:50

a heartbreak. Yeah. I have a very

26:52

close family member who was in institutionalized in

26:54

Ireland that, you know, like, you don't really

26:56

get to the bottom of it from the times that

26:58

it had happened. So, you know, it's just a different

27:00

world back then. Alright.

27:03

So Joe and his family were

27:05

only seven when they left

27:08

Alabama AND THEY MOVED TO DETROIT.

27:11

RIGHT? THERE WAS A LACK OF JOBS IN

27:13

ALABAMA AND THE VIOLENCE WEEES AGAINST

27:15

AFRICAN AMERICANS BY A REVIVED

27:18

CLUE CLUBS CLAND IN THE south led

27:20

his mother, Lily, to take her family

27:22

and join thousands of blacks in

27:25

what's called the great migration North.

27:27

Okay? And by the way,

27:30

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27:32

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27:34

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North but that was a real title, the

29:44

great migration, sometimes known as the

29:46

great Northward migration or

29:48

the black migration. Was the

29:50

movement of six million African

29:52

Americans out of the rural south to

29:55

the urban north between nineteen ten and

29:57

nineteen seventy. Before nineteen ten,

29:59

there weren't a lot of black guys up north. Mhmm.

30:01

Right? They just weren't. And by nineteen

30:03

seventy, there were a ton of black guys,

30:05

particularly in inner cities.

30:07

I'm I don't quote me on

30:09

that. Motown started this way, I think.

30:11

Detroit. One hundred percent.

30:14

Barry Gordon.

30:16

Barry Gordon. Yes. Yes. Mister Gordon,

30:18

it's a little bit before, but I'm telling

30:20

you right now, there was a time where the United

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States looked a lot different than it looks

30:24

now, and it was because the great migration. Like,

30:27

I have to talk about it because it was just as big

30:29

as Westward Hope when we all of a sudden

30:31

decided to go you know, from

30:34

c to c. So you

30:37

look at the you look at the earliest US

30:39

population statistics, and you'll see

30:42

from seventeen eighty to

30:44

nineteen ten Vipps. That's hundred

30:47

and thirty years. More than ninety

30:49

percent of the African American population

30:52

lived in the American South. Why?

30:54

Because they were brought over in fucking slave

30:56

ships. Primarily. But

30:58

ninety percent of black people

31:01

lived in the south for those one hundred

31:03

and thirty years. Ninety percent

31:05

they actually made up the majority of population

31:08

in three southern states. Louisiana

31:10

up until about eighteen ninety, the majority

31:13

of people in Indiana were black. South

31:15

Carolina until the nineteen twenties. The

31:17

majority of people were black, and Mississippi

31:20

until the nineteen thirties. The majority

31:22

of people were black. Okay. I believe we've

31:24

talked about on the podcast. We're the two main slave

31:26

ports, Louisiana, like,

31:29

New Orleans and Louisiana and then, like, South Carolina

31:32

or Virginia something

31:32

like that. One hundred percent, will you slave ships with land? So

31:35

South Carolina being up there doesn't surprise me,

31:37

Louisiana up there too. Right. Yeah. So remember,

31:39

ninety percent by the end of the great migration,

31:41

only half of African American

31:44

population lived in the south. So half

31:46

got the fuck out. That's that's

31:48

huge while the rest lived in the north

31:50

and the west. Okay? Not only did they

31:52

just move north, with the

31:55

move the African American population became

31:57

highly urbanized. In nineteen hundred,

31:59

only one fifth of African Americans in the

32:01

south were living in urban areas. THEY

32:03

WERE RURAL AREAS FOR THE MOST PART.

32:05

ONLY one fifth, twenty percent LIVED

32:09

IN CITIES. Nineteen hundred, only

32:11

twenty percent of blacks lived in cities. By

32:14

nineteen sixty, half

32:16

of African Americans in the South lived in

32:18

cities. And by nineteen seventy, more

32:21

than eighty percent of African Americans

32:23

nationwide lived in cities. So this

32:25

is the big migration that Joe Lewis was

32:27

part of. Jolos' family settled

32:29

down in Detroit's black bottom neighborhood.

32:32

I didn't wanna write that because I thought it was

32:34

like a like racist term or something like that.

32:36

But it's not. The people who should destroy

32:39

it should back me up. Even though the

32:41

influx of Southern African Americans

32:43

created a majority black neighborhood within

32:45

black bottom, The neighborhood was actually

32:47

named by early French colonial settlers

32:50

for the dark fertile topsoil found

32:52

in and around the area. So black

32:55

bottom had nothing to do with the fact that there were a lot of black

32:57

bottoms in it. Yep. Okay? There

32:59

were a shitload of black celebrities, athletes

33:01

and activists who grew up at he's partially

33:03

in the black bottom area of Detroit, including

33:06

Sugare Robinson, who's born in Georgia,

33:08

raised partially in Detroit, then moved to Harlem.

33:10

Robinson's another huge fucking legend.

33:13

Should Ray Robinson was contemporary Joe Lewis.

33:15

I think Robinson was, like, seven years younger,

33:17

but he was never a heavyweight. So

33:19

some consider sugar greatest pound for pound

33:21

fighter that ever lived. He

33:23

fought Jake Lemada six times.

33:26

So many times that Jake Lemada, the raging

33:28

bull, said he got diabetes from fighting

33:30

sugar. Like, that's that's you know, that's

33:32

a great fucking name. Yeah. Yeah. Robinson

33:35

ended his career with two hundred and one professional

33:37

fights. A hundred and seventy four wins

33:39

nineteen losses six draws and two no contests.

33:42

So two hundred and one professional

33:43

fights. That's a busy fighter.

33:44

He he kind of fights, like, Mayweather

33:47

though, like, a defensive kind of get

33:48

away with you. A defensive guy. A very handsome dude. He had,

33:50

like, the cool

33:51

punches, like, like a A lot of punches against

33:53

rates in both. Yeah. Okay. So we're

33:55

here not to talk about sugar ratio back to a young

33:57

Joe Lewis. Once he got to Detroit, His

33:59

mom tried to turn Joe into a giant

34:01

pussy. She made him take violin

34:03

lessons. She sent him to Bronson's vocational

34:06

school to learn the unmanly art of

34:08

cabinet making. Imagine that.

34:10

Nothing more manly than

34:11

cabin Thank you. Tongue and groove.

34:14

Hanging a tongue and groove.

34:15

No. No. No. Hanging a cabinet

34:17

on the weekend, though. Oh, man. That makes

34:19

me feel like it, man. You're right. It's so hot. Yeah.

34:21

So now he's he's taking violent lessons

34:24

and he's learning how to make fucking cabinets. But

34:27

he's also making money on the side by

34:29

working for an ice company. And later,

34:31

Joe Lewis credited lifting heavy blocks

34:33

of ice with the help building of his arm

34:35

and upper body strength. And this was

34:37

around the same time he became interested in

34:39

boxing. So Joe's mother gave him

34:41

money every week for violin lessons. And

34:44

instead he used the money to pay for

34:46

a locker at Brewster Recreation Center.

34:48

And if he didn't do that, the greatest heavyweight

34:50

of all time was simply been a very muscular cabinet

34:53

making violinist. Right? Thank

34:55

fucking God. To keep his mother from

34:57

finding out he had taken a boxing, he

34:59

dropped the barrow name, and Joe Lewis

35:01

Barrow simply became Joe Lewis.

35:04

Right? So now, where

35:06

are we? Joe Lewis is now an amateur

35:08

boxer. Okay? That's where we are.

35:11

Alabama, Blackbottom, he's

35:13

now an amateur boxer. And he had

35:15

a successful amateur career,

35:17

winning Michigan's Golden Globes title

35:20

which gained the attention of a guy

35:22

named John Roxboro, who's

35:24

the head of the illegal gambling rackets

35:27

in the black communities of Detroit.

35:30

John Roxboro being the head of gambling

35:32

rackets and what we know happen

35:34

to Sonny Liston with the mob automatically

35:37

puts a stick on this, but John

35:39

Roxboro was instrumental to Joe's

35:41

success. What he offered Lewis

35:44

was unique to the sport at the time he'd

35:46

watch countless white managers

35:49

just burn through African American

35:51

fighters before their prime. So

35:53

he promised Lewis the best training opportunity,

35:55

and he quickly brought in a great promoter named

35:57

Julian Black and a respected trainer

35:59

named Jack Blackburn to groom Lewis

36:02

for greatness. Okay? Rock

36:04

Spiro, this gambler, was

36:07

a keen marketer. The image

36:09

of white America had of African American

36:11

boxers have been shaped by Jack Johnson.

36:14

Johnson was a powerful champion who's also

36:16

viewed as a militant and a womanizer among

36:19

other things. So with the shadow of

36:21

Johnson, which sometimes I cast across

36:23

your forehead. So

36:25

with the shadow of Johnson in stalking Lewis,

36:28

Roxboro created a list of commandments

36:30

that Lewis would have to follow. So

36:32

the guy that owned Lewis for all intents and purposes

36:35

said you can never be photographed

36:37

with a white woman, which is

36:39

sounds worse than it is. You can never

36:42

gloat over a fallen opponent. You

36:44

can never engage in any fixed

36:47

fights on either side, and you

36:49

have to live clean and fight clean.

36:52

Black guys were not liked

36:54

back then. It's as simple as that,

36:56

and black athletes were all

36:59

villainized. All of them were.

37:01

All of them were. And Jack Johnson never

37:04

was photographed with the woman who wasn't white.

37:06

And it made black people hate him because

37:08

he was dating white women and made white people

37:10

hate him because he was dating white women. So

37:12

that's why that first commandment was in order.

37:14

Makes absolute sense. Roxboro

37:17

did not want Joe Lewis to become

37:19

another black villain. He wanted him

37:21

to become a black sports

37:23

hero. That's that's what this guy want him

37:26

to do, and it worked. The public relations strategy

37:28

worked. Of course, only because Lewis'

37:30

talent was so great. And Lewis wrote in

37:32

his autobiography that mister

37:34

Roxboro was talking about

37:36

black power before it became

37:38

popular. Okay? So now Joe

37:41

Lewis was a kid. Now

37:43

he was an amateur boxer. Then

37:45

he finds Roxboro, so now

37:47

jill Lewis is a professional boxer.

37:49

I'm moving through his pretty

37:50

quick. You're good.

37:50

You're good. You're good. Okay. His and

37:53

that was the whole thing, like so here, I'm gonna

37:55

take a small break here. So

37:57

this thing is such a passion

37:59

of

37:59

mine, boxing in general, Joe

38:02

Lewis in particular.

38:03

Don't sorry. You don't drive eight hours to West

38:05

Virginia to get Yeah. --

38:07

certified and not love boxing.

38:09

I could have done this podcast by myself.

38:12

And just talked into the camera. But

38:14

Vipps is always down to come in here and

38:16

also this will be on

38:18

each category

38:20

In the fucking doesn't -- Yep. -- in an important

38:22

match. Are you fine with doing

38:25

whatever our topic is? Doing that

38:27

as a niche? One hundred percent. I I think we

38:29

flex on them and do whatever

38:32

we talk about that week on the podcast, on the epic

38:34

on the

38:34

desert, and then we can do that. But you saying you want this

38:36

in the playoffs? Yeah. Like, I see your bread and butter.

38:39

When we did when we did -- -- with your sandwiches. -- when

38:41

we did -- Yes. -- sandwiches. This is

38:43

John Mayer. I think when we did

38:45

Nixon, I wasn't ready. Like, it

38:47

was a it was weird question, the first one. The

38:49

second one, it's a cool shit. It's easy.

38:51

Right? Just from each other. This. Yeah.

38:53

So I think too, like, we're gonna know so much

38:55

about Joe Lewis. So if it does seem

38:57

like on this episode that I'm talking more than

39:00

I normally do and I know I do Jardie talking this

39:02

fucking thing. I I'm gonna get through

39:04

the whole thing. Like, I want everybody to

39:06

go to Thanksgiving and

39:08

somebody say who's the greatest fighter that ever

39:10

lived and have somebody say it was Mike Tyson,

39:12

and then have somebody who listened to this laugh at

39:14

them. Say, you fucking idiot, Have

39:16

you seen recent highlights

39:18

so of Mike Tyson training? He's he's still got

39:20

the quickness. He's very fast. He looks fucking deadly.

39:22

What is this for sweetheart? Fifty.

39:24

There you go. Old Fifty.

39:27

Yeah. He looks he looks still fucking dangerous.

39:29

Yeah. He's

39:31

just so big. What he's doing is not

39:33

selling his his

39:36

tarnishing his record.

39:38

Right? He's doing this all as exhibition

39:42

fight. So don't mind Tyson fucking around with

39:44

this

39:44

stuff. Yeah.

39:44

Yeah. And I I don't even mind j false stuff.

39:46

He's all there still. Yeah. It's not like

39:48

he's got Parkinson's. The way Muhammad

39:50

-- Right. -- that was --

39:51

Right. -- I mean, it was just it

39:54

just Tyson's having fun with it and he's

39:56

still talking his game and people want to see

39:58

him. He's and by the

39:59

way, he's still dangerous. Oh,

40:02

no. I didn't say it. One second. Any and

40:04

that's a whole thing. Old fighter is

40:06

still dangerous. And the difference between,

40:08

like, Muhammad Ali fighting with the shaky

40:10

hands of, like, Joe Lewis owed

40:12

one point one million dollars. And

40:14

he was like, older and faster and slower

40:16

and stuff like that. It was it was not right.

40:19

I mean, he was he was a great American. I'll get to it.

40:21

So now he's a professional fighter. K?

40:23

Under Roxboro, he's a professional

40:25

fighter. He's

40:25

got he's got the trainer. He's got the marketing team.

40:27

He's the whole deal. Yeah. His first professional

40:30

bouts So

40:34

he had two guys in particular in his

40:36

first professional bouts that he beat that I'm

40:38

gonna talk about. So he went in, he goes and

40:40

fights his whatever, twenty fights. Inside

40:42

there, there were two guys in between that

40:45

that were very very impressive. One was an

40:47

Italian giant named Primo Carneira.

40:49

Whose nickname was violin's feet. His

40:51

feet looked like he's just stepping in violin's. He's

40:54

a size eighteen. Awesome. Willie.

40:56

Willie, same size as

40:57

Willie. Awesome that you have beat that baby. Bad name.

40:59

Bad name. Violence feeds

41:00

I agree with you. That's

41:01

not his only nickname. How many times do you

41:03

hear the violin in one podcast.

41:05

I was

41:05

gonna say Right. We're talking with the violin off a

41:07

lot. Right. The boxers have a picture of

41:09

violin. Right. I don't mean to call violin players

41:11

or cabinet makers proceeds. They are compared to Julius.

41:14

Okay? So one is Primo

41:16

Carneira. It's great name, and

41:18

the other is Max Bear. Another great name.

41:20

Both former champions. First Bear,

41:23

and this is out of order. He bought Bear second,

41:25

but you'll see why I'm gonna say this. First

41:27

Bear, Bear was a fucking animal. Before

41:29

losing to Joe Lewis. MAX

41:32

Bear had been knocked down.

41:35

Only once, never knocked out. He'd been knocked

41:37

down. Only once. And

41:39

he was knocked down by Frankie Campbell.

41:41

Frankie was a pretty good fighter at

41:44

the time. He's thirty three and seven, and

41:46

he was the brother of Brooklyn Dodge Dodgeja

41:48

named Dolph Camilly. So,

41:50

Franky Campbell, Dolph Camilly were

41:53

brothers, Franky

41:55

Campbell's thirty three and seven, Franky Campbell

41:57

goes into fights max bear, who had never been

41:59

knocked down, and Frankie Campbell

42:02

knocks him down in the second round. Baron

42:04

Campbell, we're actually fighting in a baseball stadium

42:06

San Francisco on a ring built over home plate

42:08

when Frankie knocked Max down in the second

42:11

round of their fight in nineteen thirty. Okay?

42:14

And Max essentially got up and

42:16

then beat him to death in the fifth round.

42:18

It was it wasn't one of

42:20

those freak accidents where you're surprised to

42:23

hear the fighter dies afterwards. Literally

42:25

beat him to death. Yeah. Frankie was being held

42:27

up by the ropes in the fifth round

42:29

while Max bludgeoned him so bad.

42:32

The doctor said Campbell's brain had

42:34

been not completely loose from its skull.

42:37

Okay? So his brain was rattling around

42:39

in there. Mhmm. Bear was charged with

42:41

manslaughter. But it was eventually

42:43

acquitted of all charges. But the state of

42:45

California boxing commission still banned him

42:47

from any ring activity within

42:49

the state for a year. Even though he

42:51

was not ordered to do so, Max

42:53

Baer gave purses from his

42:55

succeeding bouts to the Campbell

42:57

family. And this is where I'm gonna mention Cinderella

43:00

Man for the first time. James Braddock,

43:02

Cinderella Man fought Max Bear in

43:04

that movie, and Ron Howard made Max

43:07

Bear out to be a scumbic. And

43:09

he really wasn't a scumbic. If

43:11

you watched the fight versus Campbell, he did a

43:13

very scummy thing. Campbell knocks

43:15

him down in the

43:16

second. Whenever you knock somebody down,

43:19

The

43:19

referee tells you to go to your neutral corner,

43:22

then the referee gives what's called standing eight

43:24

count. Even if you're standing up ready to fight,

43:26

referee has to count to eight rubs off

43:28

your gloves and goes back to it. Campbell

43:31

knocks down bear, turns around,

43:33

goes back to the corner. The referee

43:35

goes over and says, I think it was a slip, you're

43:37

good to fight. Bear comes running out of Campbell

43:39

who's turned around, hits him around right into

43:41

the fucking jaw. They said that was one of the things that

43:44

started the problem. Then beat him for

43:46

the next three rounds. And in the fifth

43:48

round, he fucking killed him. So cheap shot at

43:50

him from behind me. But you always have to keep

43:52

your guard up. You can't turn around. Protect

43:54

yourself at all times. Follow my directions and

43:56

protect yourself at all times is something referee

43:58

say. Okay. I know this. I'm pretty

44:00

sure that you

44:00

know what I mean? That's boxing 101.

44:02

Don't turn your backs to another guy. It was like

44:04

mayweather versus Ortiz, Ortiz head butted

44:06

him, and then wanted to apologize. So mayweather

44:08

won two of them into fucking oblivion. Mhmm. You gotta

44:10

protect yourself at all times. And I'm

44:12

not saying this saying the Campbell should

44:14

have done more or whatever, because the guy is

44:17

dead. But I am saying that sometimes

44:19

you see these Cinderella Man movies and what not,

44:21

and they portray people in a little bit of a different

44:23

light than they are. But bear was a fucking

44:25

monster. You I mean, he was a monster inside

44:27

the ring. Okay? And

44:29

five years later, in nineteen thirty five,

44:32

Joe Lewis knocked Max Bear out in

44:34

the fourth round. Joe Lewis actually

44:36

fought Max Bear's son years

44:38

later, and Max Baer's other

44:40

son, Max Baer Junior, was

44:43

the actor in the Beverly Hillbillies. Yeah.

44:45

So that's that's a little bit weird. So

44:47

Following that fight, it's a little side note.

44:49

About

44:50

what's his name? Campbell hearing it?

44:52

Yeah. Knowing it. Yeah.

44:54

Lewis married a stenographer, turned

44:56

model, and singer named Marver

44:58

Trotter two hours before that

45:00

fight with bear. So before they

45:03

got into the fight, Lewis married a girl

45:05

Two hours before he stepped into the rank in nineteen

45:07

thirty five. He then completed the fight

45:09

and had the marriage celebration that same night.

45:11

They divorced in nineteen forty five. We

45:14

married in nineteen forty six and then divorced

45:16

together in nineteen forty nine. Alright?

45:19

I bring up Bear first even though he fought

45:21

Joe Lewis second because Bear's next opponent

45:23

after killing Campbell was a gentleman

45:26

named Ernie Schaff. So

45:28

after bare fought

45:30

Campbell He fought Ernie

45:32

Shaff, who bare beat in a ten

45:34

round decision. Alright? Follow

45:36

me on this one. Bear

45:39

beats Campbell and kills him. Bear

45:41

beats chaff. Six

45:44

months later, chaff

45:46

was killed. After slipping

45:48

into a coma, following his first

45:50

time being knocked out by an Italian

45:53

giant named Primo Conera who's nicknamed

45:55

violin's feet. So that's what I'm trying

45:57

to say. A lot of people died

45:59

in the ring back then, and Joel Lewis fought

46:01

most of

46:02

them. It's fucking crazy. I bring up

46:04

there. Okay. So and then I put in picture

46:06

Primo Cornera. Is that a fucking picture.

46:08

Primo. Yeah. He he looks like one of those

46:11

cool pictures of circus strong men. He

46:13

just

46:13

does. Yeah.

46:14

I mean, it's he's he's built like a brick shit

46:16

house. One

46:16

hundred percent. That's of my Lindsay. Yeah.

46:19

Like, what a handsome guy? Yeah. Right?

46:21

I'm not handsome, but Paul. Yeah. Yeah. So,

46:24

ultimately, Kelly Carnero wasn't labeled

46:26

a murderer like Max Bear was.

46:29

Right? Because Shaf's autopsy revealed

46:31

that he actually had meningitis and was still recovering

46:34

from his your case of the flu when he

46:36

entered the ring with Carnera. So Carnera

46:38

didn't have that stink on him of being

46:40

brought up on manslaughter charges. But

46:43

he was still considered a dangerous fighter.

46:45

And even though the six foot six,

46:48

two hundred and seventy five pound Conera's

46:51

nicknames were kinda weak. Via

46:53

lens feet. Theambling alp.

46:56

I don't like that. The vast

46:58

Venetian. No. That sounds

47:00

like a Yeah. And the gentle

47:02

giant. I don't like any of those. Just

47:04

went out of all of them. Yeah. Yeah. He won

47:06

more fights by knockout than any other heavyweight

47:09

champion in boxing history. Primo

47:11

Conera, the Emily Alp, the

47:13

Vas Phoenician, the puffy pussy,

47:15

he knocked out seventy

47:18

two fucking heavy he waits. What?

47:20

Guys, he was AII hate he

47:22

used the word again. He was a monster. He's massive.

47:25

Yeah. And this is 672 seventy

47:27

five. The average height at the

47:29

time in Italy, where he grew

47:31

up was five foot five. And

47:33

the United States, it was five foot seven.

47:36

So Carneiro was considered a giant.

47:39

One publicity release about him said

47:41

for breakfast, Primo had a quart of orange

47:43

juice, two quarts of milk, nineteen pieces

47:45

of toast, fourteen

47:46

eggs, a loaf of bread and a half pound of Virginia

47:48

ham. That sounds delicious. That sounds

47:50

fucking delicious. As

47:51

you might as as four arm is as big as thought.

47:53

Yeah. He seemed like a towering

47:55

giant compared to many heavyweights of the

47:57

era who are usually at least sixty pounds

48:00

lighter and seven inches shorter and

48:02

two years after the shaft fight when

48:04

he killed shaft in June of nineteen

48:06

thirty five, the six foot six,

48:09

two hundred and seventy five pound Carnera

48:12

Fort six foot one, two hundred

48:14

and fourteen pound, Joe Lewis.

48:16

So he had five pounds and six five

48:18

inches and sixty pounds on

48:20

him.

48:20

And that bout with Connero foreshadowed how

48:23

Lewis' life and career would later

48:25

become politicized. Connero was

48:27

touted by Benito Musolini, as

48:30

the symbol of the new fascist

48:32

Italy. And Lewis battered

48:35

Carnera also, winning by knockout

48:37

in the six fucking round. So now, Lewis

48:39

is twenty two and o. He's beat

48:42

up two murders. One of them

48:44

is a fucking fascist. And

48:46

right after the MAX bear fight, he fought

48:48

another fucking monster in

48:50

Pulido, Uskadun. Look

48:53

this guy up. You see the picture I put up in Pulido?

48:55

Look at that sort of a bitch. Look at that picture

48:57

put up two pictures of him. His neck is

48:59

fucking gold teeth. I'm scared. Pilito's

49:03

man. UZCUDUN.

49:06

Pilito Ooskadin. He looks

49:08

like jaws from double o seven. He he

49:11

looks like a bond villain. Yeah. He looks like jaws.

49:13

Right? On December, On

49:16

December thirteenth nineteen thirty five in MSG,

49:18

Joe Lewis fought a former lumberjack

49:21

and former butcher named

49:23

Paulino whose

49:26

nickname was the BASC Wood

49:28

Shopper. I like that. Love

49:30

that. I

49:30

don't mind that. Also, those are jobs I want

49:32

fighters to have. Butcher. Butcher

49:34

and lumberjack. Lumberjack. So

49:36

Grant production. Do you remember so we always bring

49:39

stuff right around? Remember Grantland Rice -- Yep. --

49:41

against the blues. Yeah. Yeah. The four horseman thing.

49:43

Guy was a he was a cunning linguist.

49:45

So he wrote this about Uskkanen

49:48

in nineteen twenty nine. This is our guy, grantland

49:50

Rice. The axman

49:53

from the Pyrenees is tougher

49:55

than his native trees, and

49:57

no man yet has made him run. I

50:00

mean, Paulito. Oskudan.

50:02

He has a large and hairy paw.

50:05

They break their fist upon his jaw.

50:08

For sucking rock, is not

50:10

much fun. I mean Paulito,

50:12

Uscudant. He has a

50:14

chest built like a cask, this

50:17

heavy Thick set burley basque

50:19

who grins to see his claret run.

50:22

I mean Pollido Escudan. Man,

50:24

I love I don't even know what the fuck most of that

50:26

means. It includes wine. Right? I think he's a

50:28

big wine drinker. Okay. Holy shit. He's got

50:30

a he's got a large and hairy paw.

50:33

They break their fist upon his fucking jaw.

50:35

He's tougher than the native trees and the pyrenees.

50:38

It is a burly basque who set like

50:40

a casket. These dude's

50:42

chest are insane. Like, how just big Seriously.

50:45

Chested, they are. Please Google Pulido Uscuda.

50:48

Uscuda or whatever. It's he's

50:50

he's gorgeous. He's absolutely gorgeous.

50:52

So Polito's last fight, by

50:54

the way, in nineteen thirty five, was with Joe

50:56

Lewis. And USKudan was

50:58

at the sunset of his career with

51:00

a mouth filled with gold teeth that

51:03

replaced ones that were knocked out in fights

51:05

before. And Lewis stopped,

51:07

Uscadhan, in the fourth round

51:10

with blows that columnist Jim

51:12

Murray. And again, I'm going back to the

51:14

golden age of reporting. Right?

51:16

Like, there is no journalist they used to be journalists.

51:19

Right? This guy, Jim Murray, says,

51:21

quote, Lewis knocked Uscadoon's

51:24

gold teeth in so many directions, the

51:26

ring looked as if somebody stepped

51:28

on a railroad watch. That's

51:30

so fucking like, you step on a railroad

51:33

watch and all these springs and all, that was his

51:35

teeth. I I love It was

51:37

the first time in his seventy professional

51:39

fights that Uzka done had been knocked

51:42

off his feet, and he retired after

51:44

that fight. So these are the guys

51:46

that Joe Lewis is beating up as a pro when

51:48

he first gets into pro ranks. That's

51:51

impressive. Mhmm. It's not

51:53

Joe Fraser. It's not Ken

51:55

Norton. It's not Leon Spinks.

51:57

Like, they're not household names, but I'm telling

51:59

you right now. Now expire, Primo Primo

52:01

Carneira, and Pulino Oscadon, can

52:04

hold their fucking

52:05

own. Okay? I've not

52:07

to Ken Norton, wasn't he kind of

52:10

not necessarily as good as the other guys? He's a

52:12

little bit less of talent. I'll tell you what, Jerry

52:14

Cooney. So if you if you go to

52:17

Madison Square Garden and Jerry Cooney

52:19

is there, he's one of the ambassadors in Madison Square

52:21

Garden. Jerry and I are close friends. Whenever

52:23

they show his clips, they show him beat the

52:25

shit out of Ken Norton. Mhmm. And

52:28

the the fact that that ref didn't step in and

52:30

stop that fight was unbelievable.

52:33

At at your leisure, somebody Google

52:36

Jerry Cooney versus Ken Norton, the end

52:38

of that fight, Jerry beats the

52:40

fucking brakes off of them.

52:43

I

52:43

love the picture of you and Jerry for when you were

52:45

ten. Yeah. No.

52:47

Seven seven or eight, I think.

52:48

You're seven or eight in Yeah. It was at Gleeson's

52:51

Jeb. Yeah. That's how I started getting into

52:53

so the reason I'm into boxing is because

52:55

Jerry Cooney was he worked

52:57

for my dad. He not for my dad for

52:59

local forty iron workers, and he used to

53:01

go get coffee for iron workers. Jerry's dad was

53:03

like a union delegate. So he

53:05

used to invite the iron workers to come

53:07

see him train. So I went to Gleeson's

53:09

gym to watch Jerry

53:11

train. Duke who Kim was there training the same day. I

53:13

would later get killed by That's

53:15

the way in

53:15

the race. Yeah. Who

53:16

rock did Rocky? No. No.

53:19

Man Mancini. Something mancini.

53:21

Babe, boom, boom, mancini.

53:22

Babe, boom, mancini. A rule of medicine,

53:24

I think he killed four people that night because

53:27

Dukuk Kim's mom committed suicide, the

53:29

ref committed suicide, and the trainer didn't

53:31

throw in the towel, I believe, committed suicide. So

53:33

I think he killed four guys in that

53:35

dark. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. I

53:37

I did show you the pictures. Yeah. With

53:39

with

53:40

him and Jerry, think I've seen them posted on social

53:42

media because I remember when Jerry came in one time.

53:44

Yeah.

53:45

It's the cutest thing. That was, like, back in HQ

53:47

too. I'm adorable. Yeah. And now, guys,

53:49

I think for people who are listening at home, I think for

53:51

people who are in this room, you can kinda tell, this

53:53

is a labor love for me. Right? Like, I I'm

53:55

I'm loving telling you guys about this please

53:58

pretend like you're into it because I fucking

54:00

love you. And I would go fight by

54:03

fight. I go fight by fight

54:05

on on Joe Lewis'

54:07

record any day, but I can't. Right? Because I'm

54:09

starting to lose everybody. Lewis won

54:11

twenty seven professional fights in

54:13

a row, twenty three by knockout. And

54:15

he was on track to fight the Cinderella

54:17

man James Braddock for the title. But

54:20

before he had to fight Braddock, he had

54:22

to fight a German named Max shmelling

54:24

first. Smelling. Now again,

54:26

it's big to make the Nazi versus the

54:28

US thing, you know, and is

54:30

you, but when he was fighting smelling

54:33

for the first time, it

54:35

wasn't a big deal. Lewis

54:37

didn't consider smelling a threat

54:39

The bookies had him a ten to one favorite,

54:42

and only forty five thousand people showed

54:44

up at Yankee Stadium to watch their first bout.

54:46

Yankee Stadium held like sixty five thousand

54:49

at the time. He didn't sell out Yankee Stadium

54:51

to fight Mac Smelling. So it wasn't a big

54:53

deal. It was supposed to be a

54:55

tune up fight before he fought the

54:57

Cinderella Man. Okay? Smelling

55:00

it studied Lewis' style though intently

55:03

and believe he found a weakness by exploiting

55:05

Lewis' habit of dropping his left after

55:07

a jab. So I'm I'm left handed, so my

55:09

jab is right so my jab is right. So you

55:11

stick a jab and you come back with it. So he dropped

55:14

it and so he can come right over the top down main

55:16

street. Right? But he would do his right hand.

55:18

I'm looking at his left hand. I'm

55:19

looking at a picture of Mac Schmelling. Yeah. Maybe

55:21

it's lagging or camera angles. He does

55:24

not look near as Jack as the other guy. Exactly.

55:26

He wasn't and I think even in Cinderella

55:28

Man, I think they made to be much more of a

55:30

monster -- Right. -- physically Mhmm.

55:33

-- than he was. And I again, I totally

55:35

get that. Sure. As quick as hell. But I think Max is

55:37

much smaller. The point I make with Ron how it's in

55:39

a melanoma, is he fucked. Right. You're

55:41

Max Bear's family. I was scrolling was in the

55:43

two. Yeah. Like, it was he he fucked

55:45

Max Bear's family. Anyway,

55:48

so so smelling studies

55:51

Lewis and it worked. Smelling

55:53

handed Lewis his first loss by knocking him out.

55:56

In the twelfth round. There's fifteen rounds

55:58

back then, knocked him out in the twelfth. And

56:00

for Lewis, the knockout was much more than defeat.

56:02

His loss was a devastating blow to the black

56:05

community. I'll go to another

56:07

Langston Hughes. Right? Another

56:09

monster in the literary world. He

56:12

described the reaction he witnessed after

56:15

Lewis' knockout. Missus Langston

56:17

Hughes talking him right now. I walked

56:19

down Seventh Avenue and saw grown men weeping

56:22

like children and women women

56:24

sitting in the curbs with their heads in their hands.

56:26

All across the country that night

56:28

when the news came that Joe was knocked

56:30

out, people cried. I

56:33

don't I don't think you get that anymore. Right?

56:35

You don't get that type of

56:37

support. Right? Yeah. don't know. Vegas,

56:40

they had the fight I think there was a Mexican

56:42

fighter versus

56:44

some I don't even know where the other

56:45

guy was

56:46

from, but I think the Mexican fighter lost. And it

56:48

seemed like you might have been there. I think you were

56:49

there. Now versus people. Yes. Yeah. And it

56:51

just seemed like every the whole country was behind

56:53

this one fighter.

56:54

Right. Right. It was

56:54

very intimate a very intimate relationship and

56:56

he just seemed like he let all Mexico down.

56:58

Right. He did. But he was also he was he

57:00

was fighting a light heavy way to where he shouldn't have took that

57:02

fight. I told me to took that.

57:05

It's a little bit Yes. One hundred percent drive

57:07

down. There's too many. Like, you don't get to be so

57:09

emotional. You let Mexico

57:10

down. Yeah. You let you did. You

57:11

let you did.

57:12

You let listen, Cannelo. Don't blame

57:14

him. We're still me amigo on my horn. But

57:16

I yeah. didn't mean to throw your guy into the bus, but he just

57:18

let his whole country down. I never understand. It's the greatest

57:20

fucker. But they care. They care so much.

57:24

Meanwhile, Germany was thrilled. So

57:26

Germany, out of nowhere, this ten to one

57:28

fucking year, beats a black

57:30

American hero Germany was thrilled,

57:33

smelling, who by the way, was not a Nazi, was

57:35

hailed by Adolf Hitler as an example of

57:37

the superiority

57:38

of the Iranian race. I've called smelling

57:41

a nazi twice before I just told you

57:42

he wasn't about that.

57:43

I did it. Yeah. If

57:44

you take a picture sitting next to Hitler

57:46

in his, like, living room, you're not. I

57:49

mean, you're not, but so Lewis

57:51

didn't fight smelling again right away.

57:53

He got his title fight against Braddock. Knocking

57:56

him out in June twenty second

57:58

nineteen thirty seven and winning the

58:00

heavyweight crown. After the fight,

58:03

Malcolm X, I'm giving

58:05

you some big names here. Malcolm X

58:07

said every negro boy who could

58:09

walk wanted to be the next brown

58:11

bomber. He's a big fucking quotes. Now

58:14

it was time for smelling again. So he goes,

58:16

he beats Braddock, gets the belts,

58:18

and now it's time for the smelling REMAX.

58:21

By the late nineteen thirties, we

58:23

all know what happened. Hitler

58:25

had started his attempt to conquer Europe,

58:27

and the Lewis smelling rematch

58:30

took on an even bigger meaning.

58:32

It was reported that Hitler called Smelling

58:35

right before the fought fight and

58:37

said you have to win for the sake of Nazi

58:39

Germany. I'll take pressure. You got

58:41

the pressure on your shoulders. Nah. Who's that?

58:43

Oh, it's paid off. Alright. What's happening? And

58:46

Lewis, despite America's racial

58:48

divide, was seen as

58:50

freedom and democracy's defender,

58:53

Franklin Roosevelt, who never invited Jesse

58:55

Owens to the White House, by the way, my favorite Olympian.

58:57

Right. Franklin Roosevelt invited Joe

58:59

Lewis to the White House there more than two

59:01

years before the United States entered the war,

59:04

Roosevelt felt Lewis' bicep and

59:06

said, Joe, we need muscles like

59:08

these to defeat Germany. Who

59:11

do I have already quoted FDR, Malcolm

59:13

X, Langston Hughes, Grantland

59:15

Rice, going on a terrier. Yeah.

59:17

Look look at these non polio stricken muscles.

59:20

So it's just strong. You are you pushing

59:22

up his glasses as well as his wife through the broom

59:24

closet with another woman. I think she was lesbian.

59:26

It wasn't a fight between two men. It

59:29

was a battle of ideologies. And

59:31

on June twenty second nineteen thirty

59:33

eight, exactly one year.

59:35

After Lewis won the belt from

59:37

Braddock, so it's exactly one year.

59:40

Lewis dispatched smelling two

59:42

minutes into round one, two minutes and four

59:44

seconds. The rematch we become one

59:46

of the most famous boxing matches of all

59:48

time and is remembered as one of major

59:51

sports events of the twentieth century. When

59:53

Smelling arrived in New York City for the rematch,

59:55

he was accompanied by the Nazi party

59:58

publicist who issued statements

1:00:00

that a black man could not defeat Smelling

1:00:02

and that when smelling one, his prized money

1:00:04

would be used to build tanks in Germany. Holy

1:00:07

shit. The fight again was held in Yankee

1:00:10

stadium this time before a sellout

1:00:12

crowd of seventy thousand and forty three

1:00:14

people. Before the bout,

1:00:16

Schmelling weighed in at one hundred and ninety three

1:00:18

pounds Joe was one ninety eight and

1:00:20

three quarters. It lasted two minutes

1:00:22

and four seconds. Schmelling was knocked

1:00:25

out three times and only managed

1:00:27

to throw two punches in the entire

1:00:29

fucking bout. And the third knockdown

1:00:31

smelling strainer threw in the towel and

1:00:33

referee Arthur Donovan stopped the fight.

1:00:36

Well established as one of the most significant

1:00:38

boxing matches in history. The fight has also

1:00:40

been widely regarded as among

1:00:42

the most important or historic sports events

1:00:45

of all time because it was the first time

1:00:47

that white Americans openly

1:00:50

cheered for a black man against

1:00:52

a white opponent, which is exactly

1:00:54

what that guy Roxboro wanted. It's

1:00:57

exactly what he wanted. And instantly,

1:00:59

Lewis became more than just a champion at

1:01:02

a time when the heavyweight champion was considered

1:01:04

the greatest athlete in the world. The guy

1:01:06

who wanted Decathlon to heavyweight champion.

1:01:08

It wasn't fucking LeBron and it wasn't

1:01:10

fucking Ronaldo was the heavyweight

1:01:12

champion under Decathlon. They would consider that

1:01:14

greatest athletes in the world. Lewis

1:01:17

also became a hero to Americans

1:01:19

of every race in every background. You

1:01:22

can't tell me there's a fucking

1:01:24

athlete who stepped into the square circle

1:01:26

that's had that type of gravitas. Jolu

1:01:28

is the best fucking heavyweight that's ever lived. The

1:01:30

best heavyweight that's ever lived, and I'm not done.

1:01:32

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So hello fresh, we're a big fan.

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Lewis has a crown. Lewis

1:04:10

beats up max smelling. Right? And he

1:04:12

beats him up in fantastic fashion.

1:04:14

He would hold the crown for twelve years longer

1:04:16

than any fighter pastor present has

1:04:18

held at any weight class. And

1:04:20

from December nineteen forty to March

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nineteen forty two, Louis defended

1:04:24

his title ten times. Again, we're talking

1:04:26

about how busy fighters are. He was very

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busy. A frequency unmatched by any

1:04:31

heavyweight champion since he ended the bare

1:04:33

knuckle era when people use the fight every

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week, but it was in bars. Mhmm. Like bare knuckle

1:04:37

boxes. mean I've watched the bare

1:04:39

knuckle fight. One

1:04:41

of my friends from back home. He's an MMA

1:04:44

fighter and he does bare

1:04:45

knuckles. I was invited to it.

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It was last weekend in Tampa.

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The bare knuckle guys, they fight in the

1:04:51

triangular my good

1:04:54

friend Claudia Trejost does some color for it,

1:04:56

and the guy who runs the league had reached

1:04:58

out to have me go to

1:04:59

one. And I'm dying to go to one. Craer knuckles.

1:05:01

It looks crazy.

1:05:02

Chris lights out Lydall.

1:05:03

Okay. I'll look for him. Yep. Yes. He's it's

1:05:06

a it's unreal. They just they're just taking obviously,

1:05:08

bare knuckles in the face and just they just keep going.

1:05:10

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. We I I know

1:05:12

a girl, Paige Landsant. I think in Fortnite,

1:05:15

pretty girl she's married to an an MMA

1:05:17

fighter too. Mhmm. She was in it, and she came out

1:05:20

looking like, chop meat, like, a palliative

1:05:22

stone. Yeah. Beautiful girl. But alright.

1:05:25

So But my point is

1:05:27

is that Lewis, after he won his

1:05:29

title, he held onto

1:05:31

it by fighting everybody who

1:05:33

he could. Okay? And

1:05:35

so in that little nineteen forty and forty

1:05:37

two, he fought ten times. I'm only

1:05:39

gonna mention one title one fighter

1:05:42

from this era. And again, I can mention a

1:05:44

bunch of them. Right? This was when the bum of the

1:05:46

month club was in. One of these guys, and they

1:05:48

weren't all bumps, but Lewis dispatched them

1:05:50

all. Guy I wanna talk to you about is two ton

1:05:52

Tony Galento from Orange New Jersey. Look at

1:05:54

the picture of him. Already in with Outlook

1:05:56

now. Oh, he's off look you through and he's

1:05:58

from New Jersey and there was a lot.

1:06:00

His name is Tony and he he's from

1:06:02

New Jersey. You know exactly what he

1:06:03

wants. It's like he has heels on. Two ton Tony

1:06:05

Galento. By the way, he's not named

1:06:07

two ton because he was fat. He was late

1:06:10

for a sparring session. He's like, I was on the ice truck

1:06:12

and I had to move two tons of ice. So they called

1:06:14

Teton Tony Galento. And please

1:06:17

please Google this beautiful man. Tony

1:06:20

once wrestled an octopus. He

1:06:22

boxed the kangaroo. He boxed the

1:06:24

five fifty pound bear, all his publicity

1:06:27

stunts. People talk about, oh, Floyd May

1:06:29

weather is fighting KSI.

1:06:32

How desperate of a publicity stunt?

1:06:34

Two ton tonne of Gilento wrestled in Octopus.

1:06:38

Right? Boxed the

1:06:39

kangaroo. I just out today. There are more kangaroos

1:06:41

than in Australia. Is that possibly

1:06:43

true? I

1:06:43

think it's I could say that. I think it's fun. They've never

1:06:45

been in any kind of, like, endangered conversation

1:06:47

or anything? No. They're they're vegging people in

1:06:49

Australia who started eating kangaroo y.

1:06:51

There's They wanna keep the they wanna keep

1:06:53

the populations. There's not too many people in Australia.

1:06:55

I think they just got a million person

1:06:57

in Sydney the other like like -- Oh, really? -- years

1:06:59

ago. Yeah. So it's very just around the city.

1:07:01

Yeah. That person must be best. Yeah.

1:07:03

Alright. So this guy, two Tony Galento,

1:07:06

please look him up. And he was a

1:07:08

notoriously dirty. Use

1:07:10

that word big dirty fighter, literally and

1:07:13

figuratively. He was undersized

1:07:15

for a heavyweight. At five nine, he was

1:07:17

undersized. So in the clinch, he would

1:07:19

throw low blows, head butts, and

1:07:22

throw knees. So he's a dirty

1:07:24

fighter in that way. But he was also

1:07:26

a guy who didn't like to shower before

1:07:29

fights. So he'd go days without

1:07:31

showering and training camp And so when

1:07:33

he get in, his body odor would

1:07:35

be so heavy it would distract opponents.

1:07:38

Max Bear, who we spoke about, said

1:07:40

he smelled of rotten tuna and old liquor.

1:07:43

That's bad. That's a dirty woman. Love tuna.

1:07:45

Like, it's so good. Yeah. But

1:07:48

right, Ituna. I feel like wrestlers do that

1:07:50

where they just don't shower and they get

1:07:52

the yo smell going on them and then

1:07:54

get

1:07:55

to, like, ride home and

1:07:57

smell that disgusting smell. But those

1:07:59

are the reasons.

1:08:00

I'm not a a more of an athlete. I I ski

1:08:02

about my other guy sweat and You know what

1:08:04

I mean? I I hate body. Like, there's

1:08:06

a guy at the gym. He'll go he'll

1:08:08

be in locker room. He'll take his shirt off and you can't

1:08:10

go into locker room when he's in there because his

1:08:12

b o so bad. Really? Yeah. That he I

1:08:14

think something's wrong with this guy. He watches Matrix

1:08:16

Revolution everyday before comes

1:08:18

out. So I'm like, alright. You something's going to us right

1:08:20

here. And even like,

1:08:22

I think it was Mick had lost his

1:08:24

phone after a football game. So I went to

1:08:26

a high school football locker room. This was

1:08:28

hours after it's, like, we went back to get

1:08:30

his phone, and I went to go help him. And,

1:08:32

oh my god, it was it was

1:08:35

it was terrible. Mhmm. Alright. So now

1:08:37

after winning all the belts and defending

1:08:39

him a bunch at his prime, Lewisson

1:08:42

listened in the army in nineteen forty two where

1:08:44

he rose to the rank of sergeant. Say that

1:08:46

flippantly. Guy joined the army. Nineteen

1:08:48

forty two, we know what was going on. In his prime,

1:08:51

too. Yeah. He served with Jackie Robinson,

1:08:53

fought hundreds of exhibition matches

1:08:56

to entertain the troops and raise money for the armed

1:08:58

services. So not necessarily a

1:09:00

frontline guy, but he went into

1:09:02

the army. He even donated money from his

1:09:04

professional fights to military relief

1:09:07

funds. Told you he fought Max Baer's

1:09:09

kid. As soon as he got out of the ring,

1:09:11

he signed the check before he left the

1:09:13

arena. He endorsed it over to the Army Relief

1:09:15

Fund. He did that a couple of times. American

1:09:17

hero. I

1:09:18

mean, hero, but what a sucker? How about how about how about how

1:09:20

about the president does that? How about some of these

1:09:22

politicians do that? Right. So Joe Lewis'

1:09:24

job to donate to the war front.

1:09:26

That's what I'm saying. Fun. After the

1:09:28

war, Joe, he wasn't allowed to fight professionally

1:09:31

during the war. But after the war, he came out.

1:09:33

He won four more fights. And two of

1:09:35

them were against Jersey Joe Walcott, and

1:09:37

then he retired. He had defended his

1:09:39

title twenty five times, a record,

1:09:41

and only three of those bouts went the distance.

1:09:44

So he defended his title twenty five times

1:09:46

and only three went to distance. He only lost

1:09:48

one fight. That was the max smelted. Right?

1:09:51

And that's where we began this podcast. Right?

1:09:55

Lewis being forced out of retirement two

1:09:57

years later to pay the IRS, which

1:09:59

culminated in nineteen fifty one when

1:10:01

Lewis was knocked out by a young Rocky

1:10:03

Mariano. Okay? So

1:10:06

Lewis then after the Mariano fight,

1:10:08

He retired from the ring again, but

1:10:10

he still needed money to pay the IRS

1:10:12

so he took odd jobs, including the stint as

1:10:14

professional wrestler. And his last

1:10:17

job was the official greeter at

1:10:19

Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. Cletta

1:10:21

wrote that down. It was around this time,

1:10:23

Lou his health began to deteriorate, and

1:10:25

he had two operations paid for

1:10:27

by longtime friend Frank Sinatra who

1:10:30

flew Lewis to Houston to have a famous

1:10:32

heart surgeon named Mike called the Bakey

1:10:34

perform a

1:10:35

surgery. Yes. Yeah. Later, Lewis

1:10:37

suffered

1:10:37

a stroke. Me too. Who can you say?

1:10:40

Let me go ahead and know what else I

1:10:42

can get it. Yeah. And a year later his

1:10:44

heart finally failed. And when he died on April

1:10:46

twelfth nineteen eighty one, president Ronald Reagan,

1:10:48

oh, got another quote, said Lewis

1:10:50

was more than a sports legend. His career

1:10:53

was an indictment of racial bigotry

1:10:55

and a source of pride and inspiration for

1:10:57

people around the world. Sergeant

1:11:00

Joe Lewis was buried in Arlington

1:11:02

National Cemetery with full military

1:11:04

honors. And at the height of his popularity,

1:11:07

I'll leave you at this. People said Lewis

1:11:09

was a credit to his race. That's

1:11:11

what he's called a lot, quote unquote, credit

1:11:13

to his race. And in response, another

1:11:16

hall of fame, a boxing hall of fame sports writer

1:11:18

Jimmy Cannon wrote yes, Joe Lewis

1:11:20

is a credit to his race, the human race.

1:11:22

So now I ask you who's the greatest heavyweight to

1:11:24

ever live. And I I think I think

1:11:27

it'd be I think it's a tough arguing for

1:11:29

somebody to say anybody but Joe Lewis. But I

1:11:31

I invite you too. I invite you to come

1:11:33

at me and tell me that I'm absolutely

1:11:35

wrong. And me saying that Joe Lewis the greatest

1:11:37

heavyweight that I will. I'm just upset that Joe Lewis

1:11:39

donated money to the army. And then

1:11:42

-- Yes. -- but and then America

1:11:44

stuck the IRS on

1:11:45

him, like, two years later, like, hey, we need we

1:11:47

need one point seven million after him hard.

1:11:49

He said he was so busy doing everything sparing.

1:11:51

I never really, you know, never,

1:11:53

you know, interruptions and stuff like that. So

1:11:56

I've been So that's so that's the end of the bulk of

1:11:58

this podcast. Okay? But it's not the end of the podcast

1:12:00

by any by any stretch

1:12:02

because last week we did

1:12:04

mascots. Okay?

1:12:05

Oh, wait. I just have to add. Max Smelling

1:12:08

paid for some of his Like, he was

1:12:10

So it was rumored that Max

1:12:11

Smelling paid for the few so Joe Lewis Max

1:12:14

Smelling became close friends later on in

1:12:16

life just like I think Mary Cooling and Larry

1:12:17

Homestead. Yes.

1:12:18

The the meme of the white guy and the black

1:12:20

guy shaking hands is Joe

1:12:22

Lewis and

1:12:23

smelter smelling

1:12:24

-- Yes. Yes. -- one hundred percent. Yeah.

1:12:26

That arm. Like, two little

1:12:27

kids wanna on the street that hugs Yeah. And

1:12:29

so it was it's popular

1:12:31

belief that Max Smelling paid for his

1:12:33

funeral. I don't believe that's

1:12:35

true. It's any paper or some of it. Yeah. Paper part

1:12:37

of funeral -- Mhmm. -- but Sanache paid from

1:12:39

get a heart thing. So we're

1:12:40

gonna do addendums. Right? I think

1:12:42

I'm gonna bail them out with the IRS a little bit.

1:12:44

Yeah.

1:12:44

Yes. And I should have made couple calls. Make

1:12:46

difference when he was alive,

1:12:47

man. Yeah. I just think

1:12:48

the government had done that. He did

1:12:50

a lot of time. Seriously? Did was endorse

1:12:52

the check. I think someone would have been like, hey, wave,

1:12:54

wait, and I'm accountant.

1:12:55

Because yeah. It's the IRS use Wave Imagine and

1:12:57

it goes away. You're the the government's got that.

1:13:00

Oh, yeah. Of course. Jacob Hoover, is

1:13:02

that your fucking fight? Yeah. Exactly. Like

1:13:04

Jacob Hoover is in the front

1:13:05

row. Taxes are all made up anyways. It's like, you

1:13:07

can just wiggle it up. You know nothing now. FDR

1:13:09

is feeling your

1:13:10

arm.

1:13:10

They were tied up. Yeah. For when you're

1:13:12

supposed to check with me the military, you

1:13:15

this was the nineteen thirties and forties. You think

1:13:17

she's gonna lie. That's strong. Oh, yeah.

1:13:20

Exactly. And yeah. Right.

1:13:23

bitchy. Oh, this is Really? Yeah.

1:13:25

FDR. Yeah. Turned

1:13:27

up. You know, you had a you had a affair with the girl named

1:13:29

Missy Lehighand. Yes. I think that's just the most

1:13:31

nineteen four

1:13:32

That is six Very much. No.

1:13:33

That was her, like, name. Missy Lehan. That's

1:13:36

just the most No. His, like, name was Missy

1:13:38

LeMuth. So he used to call her. What that

1:13:40

mouth did? What that mouth and so here's some addendum.

1:13:42

So we did a lot of mascots last week.

1:13:44

A lot of mascots and a couple of them were very, very

1:13:46

inappropriate. I apologize again, Tyris Hartman.

1:13:49

On Illinois mascots. Large. Love the high

1:13:51

school mascot part of the

1:13:52

pod. I grew up in Illinois. By the way, Illinois

1:13:55

is littered with terrible high school men.

1:13:57

Probably the worst state. About one hundred percent

1:13:59

the worst one there. I

1:14:01

grew up in Illinois where there are so many tremendous

1:14:03

mascots and some racist ones. We

1:14:05

played Polo And they didn't

1:14:07

remember there was the polo high school, who were

1:14:09

the polo marcos, and they did do the

1:14:11

Marco Polo Chan. For my hometown

1:14:14

was the Lanark Fighting Beavers. We

1:14:16

also had the farmington farmers, the

1:14:18

corn jerkers, the pretzels, the wooden

1:14:20

shoes, the reapers, the appleknockers, the

1:14:23

orphaned. And orphan Annie's, the

1:14:25

hubs, and the barbs with barbed

1:14:28

wire, just to name a few. So many crazy Illinois

1:14:30

high school names I believe there are even there's

1:14:33

even a book on them, gray pot as always.

1:14:35

I like that. The apple knockers to repurpose the wooden

1:14:37

shoes. Then John w comes in and

1:14:39

says, large. I just recently got to the twisted

1:14:42

history podcast, and I'm hooked. I just listened

1:14:44

to the new one about mascots, and you mentioned

1:14:46

Waps. Remember there was the one the Whopper

1:14:48

did to Waps Without Papers. Without Papers.

1:14:51

Yeah. Or it could have been from Guapo. They

1:14:53

didn't know exactly where came from. When

1:14:55

I was in college, my fraternity used

1:14:57

this term for a freshman. At the

1:14:59

time, I had no idea it was derogatory term.

1:15:02

And when I asked what it meant, they said

1:15:04

it was the sound that a bag of shit makes

1:15:06

when it hits a wall. And

1:15:09

I thought this was the best definition. Keep

1:15:12

up the good work. If Wap,

1:15:14

which is a derogatory term for an Italian,

1:15:17

came because it's the sound a bag of shit makes

1:15:19

when it hits a wall. That's one of the worst fucking

1:15:21

names I've ever seen from my life. Without papers is

1:15:23

fine. Being from Guapo is

1:15:24

adorable. But holy shit. Well, I know on the

1:15:27

on the, like, the Mexican United States

1:15:29

border, there's the border patrol has

1:15:31

a nickname for people trying to cross

1:15:33

the border illegally. That has to do

1:15:35

with the name the sound a flashlight makes when

1:15:37

you hit him in the

1:15:38

head. Oh, really? And it's just like that on a Monopoeia.

1:15:40

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So it's not a good nickname?

1:15:43

No. It's not. Tipped and Staples

1:15:45

wrote in. Hey, Larch, just listened to

1:15:47

the twisted history of mascots. Saint

1:15:49

Anne carried it as always.

1:15:52

Strange. Strange from the Senate to Maine.

1:15:54

Yeah. As an Ohio guy just wanted

1:15:57

to chime in and clarify that Masalando,

1:15:59

which I kept on talking about, is actually pronounced

1:16:02

Masalint, and I I appreciate that. You know

1:16:04

what I mean? And in PS, when is the twisted

1:16:06

history of Ohio coming? Well, tipped in

1:16:08

stables, I guess you should ask fucking Saint Anne.

1:16:11

Chris Happe had wrote in, listening

1:16:13

to the mascots episode, and it's awesome

1:16:15

as always. It made me think of a school I played football

1:16:17

against called Northampton High

1:16:19

School in Northampton PA. Their

1:16:22

school's mascot nickname was the

1:16:24

concrete kids spelt

1:16:26

with all k's and they

1:16:28

they capitalize

1:16:31

the k in the middle. Concrete

1:16:34

kits The school is almost

1:16:36

exclusively white and from a blue collar

1:16:38

area that is known for having coal

1:16:40

mines and concrete producers but

1:16:42

it still sounds racist as fuck.

1:16:44

I agree. Thought I'd mention it to you while

1:16:46

hearing all these other schools, always love the pod, and

1:16:48

hope you have great thanksgiving cheers. So

1:16:51

I looked it up. And on the district history

1:16:53

website, they didn't mention any concrete

1:16:55

production, but they said these tough, quote,

1:16:57

tough blue collar young men and women were referred

1:17:00

to as concrete kids, again,

1:17:02

with three k's, in honor of the immigrants,

1:17:04

the spelling of concrete was changed to

1:17:07

k concrete, the spelling as it

1:17:09

appears in the German language, which. So

1:17:12

so yeah. They're

1:17:13

not racist. And I don't know if

1:17:15

he I don't know if he capitalized a

1:17:17

k just for effect for me, so I shouldn't put that

1:17:19

on the school. But the concrete kids is an

1:17:21

easy KKK reference. And

1:17:24

then, well, I wasn't gonna mention it last

1:17:26

week, but I'm gonna mention it. My

1:17:28

high school or local high school is Richard Maroon's.

1:17:31

The color of maroon comes like,

1:17:34

the the mask got the maroon. You've heard this before?

1:17:36

No. Have you ever played against the maroons?

1:17:38

No. And anything, they're they're in a couple of different

1:17:40

places, including Richmond, New Jersey. So

1:17:43

there was a people known as maroon.

1:17:45

And maroons were African slaves

1:17:47

who fought and escaped from

1:17:50

labor camps. Is this in, like, northern Africa?

1:17:52

Is that the more US. Is this the

1:17:54

okay. Yeah. Yeah. So they formed

1:17:56

independent independent, independent

1:17:59

settlements of free people,

1:18:01

and those settlements or colonies were called

1:18:03

maroons. The maroon colonies were

1:18:05

known as fierce fighters who both protected

1:18:08

their own claims and also attacked slave labor

1:18:10

camps. And in some instances, with their

1:18:12

own ships rated inbound

1:18:14

slave ships. So this is, like,

1:18:16

this is a positive story. Mhmm. But it's

1:18:18

still tied to slavery. These fighting

1:18:21

men and women were also called marauders. Unlike

1:18:23

pirates or buccaneers, marauders were

1:18:25

considered to be freedom fighters. The

1:18:28

largest and most successful marine

1:18:30

settlement and freedom fighters were

1:18:32

in Haiti. They defeated Napoleon and

1:18:34

gained independence from France in eighteen o

1:18:36

two. So not necessarily

1:18:39

American slavery per se,

1:18:41

but particularly around Haiti in eighteen o

1:18:43

two getting some so it does

1:18:45

have some not questionable. It's

1:18:47

not questionable at all. We should be proud of it,

1:18:49

but I don't think a lot of people know where the nickname

1:18:52

comes from. Mhmm. And then finally, I'm gonna talk to

1:18:54

one sent in by Diane. Hi,

1:18:56

large catching up on the twist industry of Indiana,

1:18:58

and I heard you say your kids were all flat last

1:19:00

week. Then you realize it was for

1:19:02

election and Veterans Day. And this

1:19:05

is what I'm gonna apologize about. I

1:19:07

knew that kids were all for Veterans Day, but I said I didn't

1:19:09

know if it was was kind of embarrassed about it anyway.

1:19:11

So whatever. It it just it resonated

1:19:14

with me. So when Diana set this

1:19:16

in, she said it was only a few years

1:19:18

ago that I learn about the specific day Veterans

1:19:20

Day is on, in case anyone else didn't

1:19:22

know I thought I'd share this that it's always on November

1:19:24

eleventh. Does everyone know that

1:19:26

Yeah. Okay.

1:19:27

Yeah. Didn't you and chief do a blog on

1:19:28

Yeah. We did world world blog, do a

1:19:31

job. It's always

1:19:31

been November eleventh. The kids didn't always have

1:19:33

off. Our kids didn't always have It's embarrassing

1:19:35

though that didn't know they're off of Veterans. And that that's

1:19:38

so that's my whole thing. I'm I'm reading this from Diana

1:19:40

because I was

1:19:40

embarrassed. It was embarrassing. They always played taps on

1:19:42

the trading floor. Yeah. They always halt they would always

1:19:44

halt trading for a moment of silence.

1:19:47

And then after the moment of silence, they would have

1:19:49

somebody from the military come and

1:19:51

play taps on the Trump and it was

1:19:53

power.

1:19:54

It was awesome. That's cool. It's the moment in

1:19:56

which World War two ended.

1:19:57

Yes. Yeah. So the eleventh hour, the eleventh

1:19:59

day of the eleventh month, So that's why

1:20:01

eleven eleven is in Veterans Day. So

1:20:03

I should know about that. So

1:20:06

and in the United States, President

1:20:08

Wilson proclaimed the first armistice day

1:20:10

on November eleventh nineteen nineteen. A

1:20:13

few years later in nineteen twenty six, Congress

1:20:15

passed a resolution calling on the president to

1:20:17

observe each November eleventh as a

1:20:19

day of remembrance. So for any veterans who may have

1:20:21

been insulted when I didn't know that right off the bat,

1:20:23

my sincerest apologies, and eleventh

1:20:25

hour, eleventh day, eleventh month,

1:20:28

Veterans Day

1:20:28

-- I know. -- burn than a child. I would not respect

1:20:31

to veterans like that. Not a chance.

1:20:34

You got me. Alright. So that's it for the twist in history,

1:20:36

Joe Lewis. Hope you guys enjoyed that. What do got?

1:20:38

Anything? What do you

1:20:39

got? Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Alright. Yeah.

1:20:41

Thanksgiving, Trevor. You're welcome,

1:20:42

everybody. Now I'll go home next

1:20:44

week. Oh, you went back last week. Go for Halloween. Right. Right.

1:20:46

You went back next week. In Christmas. Cool.

1:20:48

So where will you be Thursday?

1:20:50

I'll be on my couch eating a KFC

1:20:52

famous bowl That's so nice. What

1:20:54

are you doing? Going back down

1:20:56

to the Jersey Shore, probably might

1:20:59

go out to DJ's tomorrow night. I mean, for

1:21:01

for local kids. For local

1:21:03

kids, that's the best night of DJs of the

1:21:05

year. Because

1:21:06

we don't get into the northern side. Listen.

1:21:08

Fuckin' Google Primo Carnera, Google

1:21:11

two Frontlines, Atlanta, but also Google

1:21:13

d j's Yeah. Sure. Same

1:21:15

the same vendor. From Belmar?

1:21:17

Well,

1:21:17

you wanna borrow first? Yeah.

1:21:19

We usually do a little bar. Right? Mainly when,

1:21:21

like, beat the clock is around that that's bar

1:21:23

a season.

1:21:24

Shot, wheel? Oh, yeah.

1:21:25

Love spinning a wheel and help me tell me what

1:21:27

shot I have.

1:21:28

So now when you go down for New Year's Eve too, will you do

1:21:30

the whole janks thing? Yep. Probably So I'm

1:21:32

actually right by Jenks, like my

1:21:34

hometown. Okay. It's right by Point

1:21:36

Pleasant. So Okay. Usually, I'm a Jenks.

1:21:38

Can I just talk about the Point Pleasant pop

1:21:40

put course? The pirate ship there. Oh, it's awesome.

1:21:42

It is you are immersed in a

1:21:45

in a Caribbean cove for at least

1:21:47

an

1:21:47

hour. So aquarium. And then you finished and you're like,

1:21:49

what? Awesome. So, like, breaking

1:21:51

point pleasant. Pro golfers have their, like,

1:21:53

home course. Like, the pirate ship is

1:21:55

my home

1:21:55

mini golfers.

1:21:56

Like, no one knows that course better than me.

1:21:59

We

1:21:59

have a lot of memories on that at at Point

1:22:01

Pleasant at Jenkins. We we went up to

1:22:03

that that some of the people

1:22:05

working here went up to that pirate

1:22:07

ship and we were trying to get and

1:22:09

and he's the guy's like, whoa. Oh,

1:22:11

it is busy in there. It is nuts

1:22:13

to ass. It is probably gonna be an hour and

1:22:16

half wait. We did not see a single

1:22:18

person in there for the whole time.

1:22:20

Great. But it was I was lost in that Caribbean

1:22:22

kinda fucking wild

1:22:23

day. Oh, yeah. I will bet you one thing. So

1:22:27

Thanks, Kim. It's the twenty fourth, Thursday, the

1:22:29

twenty fourth, Friday, the twenty fifth in

1:22:32

Madison Square Garden Hulu theater, My

1:22:34

cousin Brendan Lachmane is fighting for a million

1:22:36

dollars versus Bubba Jenkins in the domain

1:22:39

event of the PFL championship. So Brendan

1:22:41

was just in the office. He's featherweight.

1:22:43

My 581 hundred and forty five pounds.

1:22:46

My dad is first cousins with his great grandmother.

1:22:48

So Brandon and I have fifth cousins. We just met

1:22:50

for the first time today. So I'm gonna be

1:22:52

there with my dad, my brothers, any

1:22:54

of the kids, the whole deals will be Octagon's

1:22:57

side for that if anyone's around at the Hulu

1:22:59

theater, and if not, on a ESPN plus

1:23:01

pay per view. So good luck to Brandon versus

1:23:04

Bubba Jenkins. He's a favorite right now. I think he's minus

1:23:06

one sixty. So that's

1:23:08

it. Otherwise, just a family and friends. What's

1:23:10

up? I

1:23:10

got nothing. I got nothing. Alright. Thanksgiving everyone.

1:23:13

I'm thankful for everyone who listens. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm

1:23:15

thankful for everyone who knows that

1:23:17

and the truth. And if somebody wants to come at

1:23:19

me with any greatest fighter of Volta

1:23:21

oh, by the way, I didn't get to so much of Joe Lewis's

1:23:23

life. Like Joe Lewis probably fought one of the

1:23:25

greatest fights ever versus Billy Khan.

1:23:27

He knocked him out with two minutes left two seconds

1:23:29

left to go on the thirteenth round. This

1:23:31

this ed groover book It's

1:23:34

just been on my desk around here. It was in

1:23:36

summer of nineteen forty one, maybe four Billycon. We

1:23:39

didn't get into the golf thing. There's so much more

1:23:41

to learn about Joe Lewis. So take a look

1:23:43

at him when you can because you're American hero

1:23:45

and an excellent athlete. And that's it.

1:23:47

Everybody have a fantastic day. Thanksgiving. Happy.

1:23:50

Thanks, Jibana. Thanks for listening.