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think I'm also projecting because I'm

1:01

no longer with you. Or in

1:04

Marblehead, which is why I'm wearing my sweatshirt. Oh,

1:07

you bought one this time? No, I've had this.

1:11

We were together every day, but you did not

1:13

stay with me. You stayed in Marblehead. Correct. Your

1:16

favorite, favorite place. How

1:18

was Noemi's baptism? Okay, it

1:20

was so good. Thank

1:23

you for bringing this up. Okay, so we were getting ready

1:25

to leave to go. I made a fashion risk that I

1:27

wasn't sure I would like. It's one of those things that

1:29

I was like, I might look back

1:31

in a couple years and be like, what the

1:34

heck was I thinking wearing that outfit? But anyway,

1:36

I wore it. It was a green houndstooth patterned,

1:39

like green and black patterned blazer dress.

1:42

But as we're walking out

1:44

to leave to go to the baptism,

1:46

my sister pulls out a sorting hat.

1:50

And she was like, no one knows, but

1:52

today's also her, like, she's

1:54

getting sorted into the house. A sorting day?

1:57

Yeah. Oh my God, I love this.

2:00

I also love that your sister loves Harry Potter

2:02

just as much as you do. Oh, it's a

2:04

family affair. Yeah, it's not even

2:06

a suggestion from you. She's like already

2:09

planning this sorting day

2:11

and you just it feels like you are

2:13

attending Hogwarts, right? Like you didn't know that's

2:15

happening and you show up and there's

2:17

the hat. Yeah. So I

2:19

don't know if you've seen these videos, but

2:21

they they're somewhere. Basically, they'll make cakes or

2:24

different something that represents each house. And then

2:26

the baby or the toddler will crawl to

2:28

whichever one they want. And that's supposed to

2:31

be the house that they're sorted in. So

2:33

this one was actually a dog's toy, but it

2:35

had a hat and it had little like squeaky

2:38

toys separate. But that represented

2:40

each house. The Ravenclaw was missing, but

2:42

we show up to the baptism and everyone's

2:45

wearing green. It's like a weird. Why

2:47

did everyone get this? What's going

2:49

on? That is weird. We're

2:51

at the dinner afterwards when she's picking

2:53

her house. She picked

2:56

Slytherin. We all were

2:58

wearing green. It must have been this

3:00

weird subconscious thing where

3:02

we knew in the air she's a

3:04

Slytherin. Wow. That is

3:06

weird. It is weird when people show up

3:09

all wearing the same color or

3:11

everyone has the same outfit and

3:13

especially for a baptism wearing green. It's

3:15

not like a color associated at all

3:18

with the event. I

3:20

know. Look at that. You have a Slytherin suite.

3:22

What is what is Lexi? She

3:24

is a Gryffindor, but she

3:27

has Slytherin tendencies. I

3:30

feel like that she's very Harry Potter,

3:32

right? Yeah. My brothers also Gryffindor. I'm

3:34

a Hufflepuff. I'm a Gryffindor. And I

3:36

guess now we have the Slytherin in

3:38

the family. There you go. I

3:40

was thinking about it. I was like, Oh my gosh, I finally get

3:42

to buy the whole Harry

3:44

Potter set to read because one of

3:47

my favorite memories was my mom reading

3:49

out loud all of the books to me and my

3:51

brother. And then when we would

3:53

be traveling during that time when she was

3:56

like crushing through all the books, we

3:58

would read or listen to. to the

4:00

audio tapes. I'd go to the

4:02

library and we would rent the audio tapes

4:04

and oh my God, it's so

4:06

good to listen to. The guy who

4:08

voices the audio book, 10 out of

4:11

10. We would listen on

4:13

road trips. Yeah, it was like the road

4:15

trip thing because the chapters are longer too.

4:17

So it's a way to keep everybody in

4:19

the car engaged. But I was watching a

4:21

clip or like an interview clip of the

4:23

man who narrates the Harry Potter books and

4:25

someone asked him how he knew all of

4:27

the voices, like how he could remember

4:29

all of the voices that were in. And

4:32

he said the first time he read through, he would

4:35

write down the character name and then as he was

4:37

reading through the books, he would mark

4:39

sort of like characteristics about them. And then once

4:41

he decided what their voice was, he would make

4:43

a little note. He

4:46

had this little tape recorder and it would be like

4:48

recording number one, Hermione.

4:51

And then he'd do the voice. And so when a

4:54

character would come across and he'd be like, oh shoot, how

4:56

do I say that again? What is

4:58

their inflection? He would just

5:01

go to his notes and be like, oh, okay. So

5:03

Hermione is on recorder number four, recording

5:05

one. And then he would just listen to

5:07

like five seconds of him talking as Hermione.

5:10

So he had his own little catalog

5:12

of voices. He didn't remember everything. Yeah,

5:15

there's too much to remember. Voice

5:17

work is magical. Yeah, it really is.

5:19

I think people who

5:21

can do imitations and many

5:24

of them, I am amazed by all of

5:27

you. Oh my

5:29

gosh, this is Two Girls One Ghost. Oh my

5:31

gosh. Two Girls One

5:34

Ghost. We are your ghost

5:36

sisters, that is Corinne. I am Sabrina.

5:39

And this is a regular episode. So

5:41

it's a researched episode. Sundays we have

5:43

researched episodes. Thursdays we

5:45

have encounters that we share. But

5:48

I have been going through my house

5:50

and trying to unpack slowly. And

5:53

I found a bag of

5:56

stuff that we received in the PO box

5:58

in like September or October. that just

6:00

got misplaced in my move. And

6:03

so I unwrapped all of it. You

6:05

did an unboxing. Except for one package.

6:08

Because as soon as I opened it, it

6:10

said, please read this before

6:12

you open this package. There's a

6:14

haunted object inside. And so

6:16

I immediately put it back in the envelope. I will

6:18

be shipping it to you, Sabrina. I have no idea

6:20

what's inside. I didn't read more. I didn't want to

6:22

touch it. And then of course I had horrific paranormal

6:25

nightmares last night. And I don't know if

6:27

it's because of the object being just in

6:29

my house or because I am

6:31

fearful of the object that is now

6:34

sitting on my kitchen counter. Did you get

6:36

a vibe from it before you saw the

6:38

note of be careful before you opened this?

6:40

No. No. OK.

6:42

I didn't. Wait, I'm really excited. And it

6:45

was like, I feel like it was wrapped

6:47

in like, I'm going to butcher this. And

6:49

I'm not remembering everything correctly. But I think

6:51

it was like, pink tissue paper. Like, it

6:53

didn't. It's so unassuming. And

6:56

thank God I read it. Because I feel like all

6:58

the other packages I was, what were your nightmares? Well,

7:00

I had a few. But the one that was most

7:03

scary was someone had a really,

7:05

really haunted room. And

7:07

I can't even remember whose house it was. But it was like

7:10

this one specific room. And it had been

7:12

bothering everyone. And it was

7:14

like one of my family members. And we were

7:17

staying there at their house. And

7:19

they're like, we don't know about what to do about

7:21

this one room. Like, we can't even access other rooms

7:23

if they walk through this haunted room to get to

7:25

the other rooms. And I was

7:27

like, I think I might be

7:29

able to cleanse it for you. And

7:31

I grabbed a bunch of crystals and put them

7:33

in my pocket, in my uncle's pocket, who was

7:35

doing the cleansing with me. And we walked around

7:37

the room. And we were

7:40

just saying out loud, basically, that they were

7:42

not welcome, that this house is protected, love

7:44

and light, la-dee-da. But it was terrifying. The

7:46

lights wouldn't work in the house. And

7:49

it was all dark. And we were going through. And

7:51

there were so many little closets and nooks and crannies. And we

7:54

were trying to do this all. And we felt

7:56

like it maybe took us like 15 or 20 minutes. And

7:59

We were so. So tired.

8:01

The totally drained of energy and them and we

8:03

went back to. Return to the

8:05

group in my dream gets around. For this

8:08

is a stuttering says everyone was

8:10

like. What happened in

8:12

there? Really nothing. It still

8:14

feels a little bit heavy in there,

8:17

but like there's not. As

8:19

much start today, we don't think.

8:21

And they were like full. Why did it take you

8:23

for and a half hours? And

8:26

really already talking about we're in there for

8:28

fifteen minutes. If it was like know

8:30

it's like for I am. You.

8:32

Last time in your dream job.

8:34

My nightmare was about losing time

8:36

in this like demonic dark haunted

8:38

room to writings the person to

8:40

cleanse it with all my tools.

8:43

And either in your dream is said the the

8:45

one who cleanses. Successful is

8:48

because I was amongst my family

8:50

members so. I. Was one of the

8:52

war had your breathing. It wasn't like my

8:54

immediate family was my extended family so. I

8:56

was the one being pushed forward. Of.

8:59

Yeah. Will Sue happened. See once

9:01

you had it since you asked

9:03

for it. I'm actually excited because

9:05

I've only been given one other

9:07

haunted object and it's the Little

9:09

Cat Perfumery. Model. And

9:12

we've had zero hunting. So yeah, it's also kind

9:14

of hard to know what haunting see would have

9:16

with because it's supposed to be haunted by a

9:18

car. you have a cat so it's easy to

9:20

blame. Cat. Activity on the

9:22

cat that lives in your space. The

9:25

tales. That's. True. But.

9:27

The him I feared and co off at all and

9:29

it was like right near it when they're recording a

9:32

couple days. So don't know. Maybe

9:34

it is said with the last person who

9:36

own the who gave it to you or

9:38

layers has like such a beds and was

9:40

like I'd done except other cats in this

9:42

house since it's a new out new can

9:44

go way that spirit of the guys just

9:47

like outside waiting to be let in. Constantly.

9:49

Unless like nuts as a mother is

9:51

this little like stray cat who I

9:54

call move because he looks like a

9:56

cow and. He. Comes by

9:58

quite often and less so interested

10:00

in him. I like the sale. My

10:02

dad I truly like a i think of a left side

10:04

or of and he would come inside. You

10:07

should we? Why not? Why can't you?

10:09

Isn't this what is called? It's like

10:11

the. Cat distribution? Well, I think

10:13

he has a home. I think she's an

10:15

outdoor cat. Oh okay, so he's He's not

10:18

a stray, he's just an explorer and little

10:20

bit of a explore. I don't know who

10:22

he bones or he doesn't have a color,

10:24

but. He like bops around

10:26

between a couple of these like little

10:28

apartments and houses here and he is

10:30

very well said. Well.

10:33

Doesn't mean he's not a stray. Had sure I

10:35

should take him and his. Yeah. I

10:37

mean my friend Allison has that the

10:39

neighborhood has a stray that she lives

10:41

in in Marblehead, know her parents neighborhood

10:44

and Alabama had a stray that they'll

10:46

take care of effort of many. Many.

10:49

Communal stray is that he has a nearby

10:51

that and well loved because they are to

10:53

save seven family as much as yes that's

10:55

true but this is as a final call

10:57

to action that a final klar my dear

10:59

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11:02

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11:04

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11:06

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11:08

malicious, nothing evil, nothing like oh my gosh

11:10

I can't deal with these hauntings. I minutes

11:12

and to zero one cousin said i know

11:15

that no no. No. Making it

11:17

very clear will give you Greg and Data

11:19

New get contact if you have something like

11:21

that and they can communicate with. About

11:23

receiving that object cracked making

11:26

a very clear. I.

11:28

Would like to accept. pleasantly.

11:30

Haunted items. Please.

11:32

Explain in detail that the hauntings are

11:34

and you may send them to Rp

11:36

O Box. And like her and said

11:39

with this package. Disclaimer:

11:41

But like him stayed block matters or

11:43

something On top of it this object

11:45

is haunted. Open with costs and breed

11:47

letter prior to opening said i be

11:49

braving of get it and just read

11:51

you with the water is. But. Nonstop.

11:53

I'm not going to touch the object. Only.

11:56

I just please please As he says he's. Unhappy or

11:58

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I was wrong. There's no pink tissue paper, but

13:39

there was a pink post-it. So the object is

13:41

in this little felt bag. And

13:43

it says, oh, it's free card before opening. I

13:45

promise this is not teeth. Okay,

13:47

let me glance at the card because I think as

13:49

soon as I saw a haunted object, I was like,

13:52

I'm out. This was sent from Melinda.

13:54

It says, dear Corinne and Sabrina in response

13:56

to your request for haunted items.

13:59

I'm sending my. Okay, wait,

14:01

I don't know how to say this word. Appreciated

14:04

Jasper Pendulum that has a

14:06

trickster spirit attached to it

14:08

named Daniel. Oh, oh,

14:11

hey, this listener messaged us and

14:13

I think is even on Patreon

14:16

and has commented about it on Campfire

14:19

Stories. Oh, really? Okay. They

14:21

purchased this pendulum from a

14:23

metaphysical shop in Ohio originally.

14:26

After working with Daniel for a bit, they learned

14:28

that he was neither good nor bad, but

14:31

just a trickster with a sense of humor.

14:33

For example, if they would ask

14:35

him for help finding a pen, he might

14:37

lead them to a crayon, which

14:40

is technically a writing utensil, but it's not

14:42

exactly the same. That was funny. When

14:45

he first arrived, please be sure to cleanse

14:47

him as you never know who has handled

14:49

this letter on its journey to you. When

14:52

you communicate with him, any time you communicate

14:54

with him, always be sure to

14:56

keep sure to specify exactly who you want to

14:58

speak with and stay allowed.

15:00

No negativity is welcome. When

15:03

finished, make sure to thank him and

15:05

say goodbye and close the communication. And

15:08

then there's some more information on here about how

15:11

to interact with him. Wait, this is gonna be

15:13

fun. I'm so excited. Now you have a haunted

15:15

pendulum because I have one that kind of chose

15:17

me in the shop and I have no idea

15:20

who's attached to it, but they

15:22

speak only the truth because I did not

15:24

marry Nick Jonas. I did not

15:26

win the lottery. Yes. And

15:29

other things of the sort. And

15:31

also I had asked the pendulum about,

15:34

I can't remember, nevermind. I'm

15:36

gonna butcher it. It's gonna be wrong. So

15:38

I can't wait for the pendulum. Well, when

15:41

I received this haunted pendulum, I will

15:43

take it for a little spin on

15:45

the podcast for the first time. Okay.

15:48

I'll prepare myself. We'll

15:51

do a cleansing. I'll cleanse it

15:53

and everything beforehand and I'll state my

15:55

intentions and everything during it. It

15:58

will be great. I'm so excited. And

16:00

it's trickster like how fun This

16:03

is one of those things where it's like you

16:05

ask for the pendulum But the PO box is

16:07

near me so I'm the one that goes and

16:09

receives them. I have to touch them first And

16:13

then I send them off to you I'm still fearful Yeah,

16:17

I'm half my day, but you're full brave.

16:20

No, I'm thinking full crazy It

16:25

could be that too. Yeah, okay. Well,

16:27

I have an interesting story for us And

16:29

this is gonna dive into a lot

16:32

of history and a lot of lore Regarding

16:34

Native American cultures on

16:37

the Eastern seaboard. Okay,

16:39

but then it does get a little bit paranormal Okay

16:42

deep within the

16:44

Appalachian Mountains in

16:47

North Carolina there are whispers of

16:49

a lost colony a settlement

16:51

of people whose existence is now

16:53

only remembered through stories and

16:56

through legends and through lore but

16:58

who have been missing now for

17:00

centuries and this is not

17:02

the lost colony of Roanoke if anyone was

17:04

thinking that But the lost

17:06

colony of Roanoke did just appear just

17:08

north of here. This is different though

17:10

Oh, this is interesting. Like I wonder

17:13

if there's connections. What if they all

17:15

disappeared to the same other ultimate reality?

17:17

well, there's some theories that I think

17:19

maybe we could draw some sort of

17:21

parallels between Roanoke and This

17:24

one for sure because one of the theories is kind of one

17:26

of the theories that happened to Roanoke This

17:28

story is a little different because these

17:30

people are described to be a bit

17:33

different Because as the

17:35

lore goes when the Cherokees moved to

17:37

the southern Appalachian Mountain Range around year

17:41

1,100 they were surprised to encounter another group

17:43

of people who already lived there Only

17:46

their encounters with these people were unlike their

17:48

encounters with other fellow native tribes. These

17:51

people looked super

17:53

strange They were much

17:55

smaller. They were very short. They were

17:58

just little tiny people And

18:00

their hair was very blonde, their skin

18:02

was bright white, their eyes were piercing

18:05

blue and their faces were described as

18:07

being quite flat. It feels very like

18:09

fae, almost like Lord of the Rings

18:12

fae, although they're taller.

18:14

Yeah, there's so many different

18:16

things. It's like fae, even like, I don't

18:19

know, the kind of flatter face makes you

18:21

think of like goblins and aliens and sort

18:23

of how those things are depicted as it's

18:25

like just slits for mouths

18:27

and like no real defining

18:29

features. So yeah,

18:32

these people were physically very

18:34

different in appearance and

18:36

not the typical looks

18:39

of the people that this tribe,

18:41

the Cherokee, were used

18:43

to encountering nor did it match

18:45

with any of the Native American

18:47

groups really in

18:49

the majority of the Appalachian range.

18:52

Spooky, okay. Their

18:54

parents soon made sense to

18:56

the Cherokee as they recognized

18:58

a pattern with these strange people. This

19:01

group of small pale humans lived

19:03

in caves and underground caverns and

19:06

seemingly could not tolerate any

19:08

daylight, only existing in

19:10

the caves during the day and coming

19:12

out at night. And

19:15

because of this, they were given

19:17

the nickname, the moon-eyed people. I

19:20

mean, it's interesting because there's that very,

19:22

very rare disease where people are allergic

19:24

to the sun and they cannot be

19:26

in sunlight. But in order for there

19:28

to be an entire group and

19:30

civilization of people who have this

19:32

problem, it does make you think

19:35

like maybe it is an alien

19:37

species. Totally. And

19:39

it could be like generations and

19:41

generations of people who, it's like, you

19:44

know, the small communities in the end,

19:46

everybody's related, right? Like you trace

19:48

it back like far enough, people are

19:50

related. So like it could be passed

19:53

down. But then also going

19:55

to the theory of like, are

19:57

aliens us in the future? And

20:00

you know, we don't tolerate the sun

20:02

anymore because it's so it's so

20:04

bright or like there's some sort of Natural

20:07

or man-made disaster where there's not much done

20:09

it. We live underground and we're not you

20:11

blah blah blah blah like it very

20:13

well could be Relating

20:15

to that theory not to go to to

20:19

Hope in the very beginning I

20:21

know i'm so late to the game But

20:23

I just started listening to high strange and

20:25

so now i'm i'm fully in alien mode.

20:27

My gosh, you better catch up I know

20:29

there's nothing. Well, i'm a little bit late

20:31

to the game I'll talk about this at

20:33

the end, but I just

20:35

started watching hellier Which

20:38

is the new Series

20:42

so i'm on like episode three of Gary

20:45

season it is gary

20:49

And also now knowing them when you see them

20:51

be a little bit confused and scared at times

20:53

you're like, oh god Yeah,

20:55

it's what is happening. Okay. So now we

20:57

know that they're being referred to as the

20:59

moon eyed people But like who are these

21:01

people? How did they get there? Assuming that

21:03

they weren't already From this area

21:06

because they seem to have a lot of difficulties

21:08

with the climate the amount of sun And

21:11

really preferred to live in the cave. They're

21:13

almost like a nocturnal People

21:15

and the way that you're explaining

21:17

them It almost feels like the

21:19

native tribes of this area are

21:21

observing them Are they

21:23

interacting at all? Yes, they do. Okay,

21:25

they do end up interacting So

21:28

some people have questioned whether they could be

21:30

some of the early explorers because in the

21:32

1400s There were many ships

21:34

that left wales under the direction of

21:37

a welsh prince that wanted to

21:39

explore the new lands and Open

21:41

up options for people who were currently

21:44

experiencing a civil war and so this

21:46

is not napoleon was famously very small

21:49

So That's

21:52

true, but are the welsh people small

21:54

i'm not sure They're certainly

21:56

fair skinned, but I feel like they might be

21:58

but not that what we see today.

22:00

I'm not sure, but I mean,

22:03

we know that that part of history is

22:05

fact, but what we don't know is really

22:07

where they ended up. If they

22:09

ended up anywhere in this area of

22:11

America, that part's kind of lore mixed

22:13

with history. But some people have

22:15

questioned whether they could be some

22:18

of these early explorers because this prince,

22:20

this Welsh prince and his brother, along

22:23

with a few others, they supposedly

22:25

sailed across the ocean and

22:27

made it to North America

22:29

landing somewhere around Mobile, Alabama.

22:31

And similar to the lost colony

22:33

of Roanoke, Prince Maddock, I

22:35

think I'm saying his name correctly, Maddock, Maddock,

22:38

he decided, wow, this is such a great

22:40

place to stay. Why don't I go back

22:42

and gather more people and we can go

22:45

and journey back to where we just came from

22:48

and establish this whole colony?

22:50

And so that's what he did. He returned

22:53

and had more people, 10

22:56

different ships sent on

22:58

this second voyage, only for the

23:00

10 ships to become lost at

23:03

sea. All 10. Never to be

23:06

heard from again. Yes. From

23:08

what they know. So it is assumed

23:10

that these groups all died on the ocean

23:12

and that their boats eventually just sank, bearing

23:14

any evidence of them or what happened to

23:17

them. But some people are like,

23:19

well, could they have made it to land?

23:21

Did some of these people survive? And what

23:23

about the small group of people that were

23:25

already left in America? But Mobile, Alabama is

23:28

so far from, I mean, it's not terribly

23:30

far, but it is far from North Carolina.

23:32

It is. But like, there's a lot of

23:35

centuries and like times that people could pass.

23:37

Okay, sure. You know, it's kind of like

23:39

with Roanoke, one of the theories of the

23:41

lost colony of Roanoke is that they literally

23:44

went and joined the Croatoan tribe to survive.

23:46

Right. And that some

23:48

of the reasons why there are

23:50

some blue-eyed native people who are

23:52

part of the Croatoan descendants of

23:54

Roanoke. Because of, yes, that

23:57

sort of thing. So it very well could be

23:59

that. But just a quick side note,

24:01

this part of history is really hard to

24:03

decipher too, because not only is some of

24:05

it lore, but some of the articles discussed

24:08

that these voyages were really

24:11

hard fact. So I was getting really confused

24:13

with like what actually happened versus what part

24:15

is the lore. So I'm just going to

24:17

say that all of that we're going to

24:20

just say it's a theory. Okay, so I

24:22

think that's protected and not attacked by historians

24:25

or anyone who knows more than we do. Listen,

24:28

once we get the time machine built and ready

24:30

to go, we will take our

24:32

research to the next level. We'll go back,

24:35

be there, live it, come back here and

24:37

tell you all about it. Just

24:39

stay tuned. It'll be 100% fact instead of 2% history. Christian

24:45

Mark. So regardless,

24:47

some people have said that these moon eyed

24:50

people are the descendants of

24:52

this original group of colonists. That

24:55

the battles that occurred between the moon eyed

24:57

people and the Cherokee people were really just

24:59

the Welsh people fighting the Cherokee people. And

25:02

that the Welsh eventually were driven out by

25:04

the Cherokee and moved a lot further

25:07

south. The small group, which is

25:09

like how far south can you go? That's the

25:11

point. So this small group

25:13

of foreigners that were supposedly left behind

25:15

are said to maybe again, like the

25:18

Roanoke colony, have taken on bits of

25:20

the Native American cultures and norms, and

25:22

perhaps eventually appeared a bit as some of

25:24

the other tribes in the area, just extremely

25:27

pale. So they present and interact

25:29

and kind of survive in

25:32

a way that's similar to what they've observed

25:34

other people in the area doing, but

25:36

they themselves are still extremely pale.

25:38

It's very hot. The

25:40

Appalachian mountain range can be quite

25:43

dangerous. So perhaps they

25:45

were just, you know, they were trying

25:47

to acclimate, but just not entirely. So

25:49

perhaps they took to hiding in the

25:51

caves as a means of survival and

25:53

protection. Are there theories that they

25:55

still exist in the cave systems and only

25:58

come out at night? Yes,

26:01

but that's kind of when once we lean more into

26:03

the paranormal Sure side of

26:05

the story. So there's no real

26:07

theory that this tribe

26:09

exists today as

26:12

okay But if

26:14

they are paranormal creatures, then yes, I've

26:16

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so the problem with the theory that

28:26

these could be Welsh descendants or Welsh

28:28

people originally is that the timeline doesn't

28:30

match up because the Cherokee predated the

28:32

voyages of the Welsh to this area.

28:35

So the moon eyed people already existed

28:37

there. They certainly weren't

28:39

the group of Welshmen who were abandoned

28:41

and left behind. So

28:43

some scholars believe that this tribe could have

28:46

already been here because the Creek, the Shawnee,

28:48

the Seneca nations all have stories of the

28:50

moon eyed people as well. So while

28:52

I contributed a lot to the Cherokee,

28:55

there's a bunch of different tribes

28:57

and native groups who've encountered these

28:59

people. And so it seems like this

29:01

was already an established group, right? Yeah.

29:05

Dr. Mann, a scholar of

29:07

Seneca, suggested that they were

29:10

descendants of the Adena culture, which is

29:12

the culture of various communities, native communities

29:15

in what we know as North America that existed from

29:17

as early as 1000 BC up to as late as

29:19

200 AD. And they would build

29:23

effigies, burial and ceremonial systems.

29:25

And they could have been

29:28

avid astronomers, which could be

29:30

a reason for like their infatuation with the night sky

29:32

and spending a lot of time out

29:34

there at night at night. Yeah. But

29:36

other people have suggested that the original

29:39

Cherokee legend actually never mentioned anything about

29:41

the skin color. They just called them

29:43

moon eyed people. So just a group

29:45

of people who spent a lot of time

29:47

out and about at night. Isn't it so

29:49

interesting how that evolves? Like if someone spends

29:51

a ton of time out at night and

29:54

you don't really see them during the day

29:56

as the story gets passed on through generations,

29:58

it's like, oh, and they were extremely. pale,

30:00

meaning they couldn't even be in the sun, which is

30:02

why they were only there at night. And

30:05

it's also, I mean, it's just like another version

30:08

of kind of whitewashing

30:10

some of the history

30:12

based on what is published

30:14

and written in lore

30:16

and stories because someone

30:19

said that they

30:21

believe the first time white was

30:23

added as a description of this group of

30:26

peoples, the moon eyed people skin was

30:28

when a white author, Benjamin Smith

30:31

Barton in 1797 published a

30:35

fairy tale sort of thing about the moon

30:37

eyed people and said that they were white

30:39

or super pale. Hmm.

30:43

If this were the case, it still could have

30:45

been another tribe of living human

30:48

people. It doesn't mean that

30:50

they're necessarily aliens, but it has been suggested

30:52

by a few scholars that

30:55

maybe this could have been a group

30:57

of indigenous Americans that just had a

30:59

lot of albinism in their group, which

31:01

would make them more sensitive to the

31:03

sun. And it's also interesting

31:05

because I feel like regardless in

31:08

history, a lot of groups of people

31:10

who have been ostracized for the way

31:12

they appear, like I

31:15

think of leper colonies as like the first

31:17

example, but I imagine leprechauns.

31:21

We really are stuck in the paranormal today. But

31:24

yes, leper. I

31:26

wonder if there's like some,

31:29

there was some superstition based on the different paleness of

31:31

their skin and they formed their own colony. Yeah.

31:34

I mean, that totally could be the case. And

31:37

it's also like the, the Appalachian Appalachian mountain range

31:39

is so dense and the terrain is

31:44

kind of difficult to traverse. And

31:47

there are still groups that are so incredibly tucked away

31:49

in these deep pockets of this mountain

31:53

range that I feel like it could be possible

31:55

that this. group

32:00

of people could have existed in this like

32:02

really secular type of living for a really

32:04

long time, encountering almost no one and kind

32:07

of having that thing where like maybe it's

32:09

not a bunch of people that found each

32:11

other, but it could just be where like

32:13

after so many generations of

32:17

a small colony, it is a bit

32:20

incestual. I

32:23

thought that's where you were going. Yeah,

32:25

don't fuck your cousins and

32:27

take your pills. I don't remember what

32:29

it is. I think I'm forgetting. I'm

32:31

remembering most of them. I'll never forget.

32:33

Oh, fuck your cousin. Don't

32:36

worry. But don't play with Ouija boards. I might forget

32:38

at one point in my life. That's true. It's

32:40

not going to be a don't forget. It's going

32:42

to be an intentional breaking of the rule. Well,

32:45

I almost broke the rule. I

32:47

was not allowed to based on rules of

32:49

a different place that we were in. Then

32:52

their rule was don't play with Ouija boards, which

32:54

you guys will hear about in March, which

32:56

is episode comes out of March. So just a couple weeks.

32:59

Just wait. Okay, so of course now

33:01

we're going to delve into more of the paranormal

33:03

because these people,

33:06

their small stature, their disdain of the

33:08

sun, people are like, could

33:10

they be vampires? Could they be

33:12

aliens? Are they encrypted? Are they

33:14

a human hybrid? I didn't even

33:16

think of vampires. Vampires, yeah. Except,

33:19

well, here's the thing. It was said that

33:21

a lot of these groups were, and this

33:23

is part of the lore too, right? Where

33:25

like, if you ask certain people who

33:28

are descendants of the tribes that lived

33:30

in these areas at the time, some

33:32

of them will be like, this is

33:34

completely made up. This is

33:36

total lore. None of this is fact. And

33:38

other ones will be like, I hear stories

33:40

that, you know, like my great,

33:43

great, great grandfather wouldn't settle on this land

33:45

because the moon eyed people were said to

33:47

be there and we were scared of them.

33:49

You know, it's just different based on what

33:51

sort of environment that you're in, I guess.

33:53

And so it's, again, one of those confusing

33:55

things where there's just, I mean, it's like

33:57

any fairy tale, any bit of lore, things

33:59

change. over time, especially when

34:01

you start adding decades, if not centuries,

34:04

because this is like centuries and centuries

34:06

to the stories. It becomes

34:08

a game of telephone. Yes, exactly. It

34:10

is also interesting, this is another example

34:13

of like how cryptids and folklore

34:15

is born. And then

34:18

it does become hard to really

34:21

figure out and pinpoint where it came

34:23

from, what the origin is, and what

34:25

is the truth. Totally. I was

34:28

like, I so enjoy talking about these stories, but at

34:30

the same time I feel like instead

34:32

of letting myself get lost in the

34:34

story, I feel like because other

34:36

people are listening to this, I feel

34:38

like I have to constantly backtrack and be

34:40

like, just as a reminder, we don't really

34:43

know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, but

34:45

now let's get lost in the sauce a

34:47

little bit. Okay, we'll get lost in the

34:49

sauce. So in Cherokee beliefs, there are other

34:51

non-human and supernatural groups of people who live

34:54

amongst us and interact with our world whenever

34:56

they please. Yet, in these

34:58

stories told by the Cherokee, these

35:00

groups, the moon-eyed people, were not

35:02

referred to in the same way

35:04

as other tales of supernatural beings.

35:07

It seemed as though these

35:09

were living, they didn't feel

35:11

paranormal, and that they were

35:14

just some sort of nocturnal human

35:16

or subset, I guess, of

35:18

human. Some people have associated

35:21

the ancient stone structures found in

35:23

the foothills of these mountains as

35:25

evidence that there was once a

35:27

great war and that the moon-eyed

35:29

people were proof of these ancient

35:31

people, the sole survivors who descended

35:33

into the darkness to survive. Fort

35:37

Mountain, which borders North Carolina

35:39

and Georgia, has a 850-foot-long stone

35:41

wall that

35:44

stretches across the top ridge, and the

35:47

stones vary in height. And

35:49

I was looking at pictures of them, and some of them look

35:51

very large, almost like boulders put next to

35:53

each other, but the majority of them almost

35:55

feel like smaller rocks and pebbles just kind

35:57

of piled up to create this sort of...

36:00

structure of protection perhaps and

36:03

it is thought that this wall was

36:05

constructed around here 400 or 500 and

36:07

so if this were the case again

36:09

this could indicate that there was some

36:12

sort of protection needed maybe some sort

36:14

of war fight where

36:16

whoever was behind that wall was trying to

36:18

protect themselves from whoever was trying to make

36:20

their way up the mountain and up the

36:23

ridge so this would predate the Cherokee people

36:25

by half a millennia Wow again it's like

36:27

the dates don't match up it's like if

36:29

it were the Dutch people that doesn't match

36:31

the Cherokee version of it and

36:33

then the Cherokee coming into

36:35

this area doesn't match the

36:37

structures that already existed there not to say

36:40

that there weren't already groups of people there

36:42

they're definitely were but it's like who

36:44

built them why did they build them who

36:47

was here okay this is gonna be a

36:49

little bit of like a bear with me

36:51

out there conceptualized

36:53

theory remember the email

36:55

we read from kin who was taken

36:57

aboard a spacecraft of

37:00

some kind and this doctor

37:02

or this being was showing her around and

37:05

basically she saw all these different

37:07

types of creatures on the ship

37:09

some she recognized some she did not and

37:11

they basically said that when certain

37:14

types of animals and species were going extinct they

37:16

would try to bring them back on the ship

37:18

and like rebreathe them and then put them on

37:20

to either the same planet or

37:23

a different planet to repopulate that species

37:25

yeah and oh it was what there

37:27

was some sort of like Fox or

37:29

something that was being re-introduced the red

37:31

fox yeah what if humans

37:35

didn't originate on earth what

37:37

if humans originated on a different

37:40

planet and we were going extinct

37:43

and alien species brought

37:45

us here to repopulate and the

37:48

moon eyed people are

37:50

more of the original aliens who were trying

37:52

to watch how the population

37:55

was going do you think they

37:57

just dropped us here did they

37:59

for us to breed with

38:01

the Neanderthals and other types

38:03

of things. Well, given

38:06

how much Neanderthal you have, I don't

38:08

know. Because,

38:10

yeah, I'm given more Earth person

38:13

than Earth person based on my

38:15

DNA. I

38:17

come from caves. Well,

38:19

my Neanderthal had less than 2% and you had more Neanderthal than

38:21

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of the Appalachia. According

40:59

to one variation of the legends,

41:01

it's believed that this wall that

41:03

exists on Fort Mountain could

41:06

have been a remnant of a war

41:08

fought between the Moon Eyed People and

41:10

the Creek Nation, with the Moon

41:12

Eyed People losing the battle on the

41:14

night of a full moon, which could

41:16

have been the reason for them

41:18

being called the Moon Eyed People because they lost

41:20

on the night of a full moon. Again, this

41:22

is all speculation, but still it goes

41:25

into the lore a little bit because it says that

41:27

they lost on the night of the full moon

41:29

because the reflection of the moon was so bright

41:32

that it still blinded their eyes because they were

41:34

very much a light sensitive and

41:36

nocturnal group. Interesting. Yes.

41:40

Some say the war didn't happen until

41:43

years later, and it was actually between

41:45

the Cherokee and then the Moon Eyed

41:47

Tribe, but the belief is that

41:49

the loss in the war is what drove

41:52

these small, pale humans underground to hide and

41:54

survive. So there's so

41:56

many different variations of like, why they're there,

41:58

where exactly they live. what they built, who

42:01

they came in contact with, why they

42:03

were named the... When they were there. When

42:05

they were there, yeah, but in the end, we're

42:08

still basically left with there was a small group

42:10

of people or people

42:12

looking things, creatures, that

42:14

existed in this mountain range

42:17

some few hundred years ago

42:19

or more that spent

42:22

time only coming out at night,

42:24

otherwise they were living in the

42:26

caves. So that's the consistent

42:28

thing throughout all of these different

42:30

versions. And then there's just different

42:32

offshoots of what other people have added to

42:35

it. Okay. Right. There's

42:37

been a lot of scrutiny regarding this history because it involves

42:40

native legend colonization and a

42:42

largely whitewashed legend. Many

42:45

people argue that the moon-eyed people to

42:47

the Cherokee were not as we describe

42:49

them today, simply just another group of

42:51

people or a representation of white

42:54

settlers that they encountered. The lore has

42:56

been added to over time, embellishing the

42:58

story and turning it into one of

43:01

paranormal nature. However, in

43:03

1841, an effigy believed to

43:05

be of the moon-eyed people

43:07

was uncovered on some land

43:09

near Raleigh, North Carolina, pulled

43:12

out of the river and made of soapstone and

43:14

talc. And it is

43:16

on display now at the Cherokee

43:18

County Historical Museum. And its

43:20

appearance has once more opened up questions

43:22

as to who these people could be. Apologies

43:26

for background noise here. Someone

43:28

decided to lawnmow

43:30

a parking lot. Nothing

43:34

like trimming some imaginary grass

43:36

on the concrete. But here's

43:39

a picture of the statue

43:41

that were uncovered. It reminds me of so many

43:43

things that we learned about in art

43:45

history and like the, how there's

43:47

one specific one, like the woman.

43:49

Oh, the pregnant woman. Yeah. Doesn't

43:52

it kind of look like that? It totally does. It's

43:55

interesting because, yeah, if you look at all of

43:57

the different things that you encounter in a museum.

43:59

You're like, oh, that reminds me of so

44:01

many different man-made objects that we know exactly

44:04

where they came from, what

44:06

date generally they came from, what

44:08

group, what area. But

44:10

this one, we don't know exactly where it

44:12

came from. And that's, again, it just adds

44:14

to the paranormal lore because they're like, well,

44:16

it also looks like aliens. So

44:19

people have asked, were they a neighboring

44:21

tribe preferring to work in the dark

44:23

over the blinding hot days? Were they

44:25

a group of Welsh people who eventually

44:27

assimilated into native tribes? A

44:29

nocturnal cave-dwelling human yet to be seen for

44:31

the past few centuries? Or could

44:33

they be something else? A spirit? The

44:36

fae? A group of alien

44:38

beings? Now in many

44:41

of the legends, most native groups were

44:43

said to have been afraid of these

44:45

moon-eyed people. And was it because

44:47

they were dangerous or just because they looked

44:49

different? The connection between

44:51

the appearance of the moon-eyed

44:53

people and goblins seen around

44:56

the Appalachia has also raised

44:58

an interesting theory. So

45:00

back in episode 140, we discussed

45:02

the Kentucky Hopkinsville goblins case of

45:05

1955, where there was

45:07

this family who was besieged by a group of, they

45:10

were calling them goblins at the time, but basically they

45:12

saw like a UFO. It

45:14

landed in their field and it

45:16

just kind of attached their family

45:18

and caused chaos. And this

45:20

set off a series of sightings and

45:23

these goblins, aliens, were

45:25

said to have kind of run off into

45:27

the caves and taken protection in the caves

45:29

and the different abandoned mines in

45:31

the area. I forgot about that story. Now I want

45:34

to go back and listen to it. Right?

45:37

Okay. So I was looking into

45:39

this and like re-looking at all of the stuff

45:41

with the Hopkinsville goblins. And that's

45:43

when I realized that the first

45:46

season of Hellier, Greg and Data

45:48

Newkirk's show, is connected

45:51

to this, basically. So

45:54

I watch, I'm only three episodes in,

45:56

but in Hellier, the

45:58

first season, it's starts with

46:01

Greg receiving an email to

46:03

his old ghost hunting group that had since

46:05

been dissolved. But in 2012, he received an

46:07

email to that email that was no longer

46:09

really functioning from a man

46:11

named David Christie, who claims that

46:14

these humanoid creatures emerged from a

46:16

mine shaft on his property in

46:18

Hellier, Kentucky, and were terrorizing his

46:20

family. And after making

46:22

contact with David Christie, the man

46:24

described the creatures. They were small,

46:27

pale, almost featureless. So kind of

46:29

like the flatter face that was

46:31

described. Voldemorty. I have a very

46:33

flat face from my profile, so

46:35

I'm like, I feel like they're

46:37

describing me. A thin

46:39

line where their mouths should be, and they

46:42

would stare through the windows and operate

46:44

only at night. The Christie's,

46:47

which is, I think, a pseudonym. Their

46:49

shed would be opened at night. Their

46:51

kids' toys would be stolen. And then

46:53

one day, their daughter was like, yeah,

46:55

I watched the kids without hair. They

46:58

play at night in the yard. And so

47:00

their family really feared this

47:03

group of small, pale creatures

47:05

that would come out at

47:07

night in this area. But

47:10

you could see in the Appalachian

47:12

mountain range. So David even

47:14

backed it up with a bunch of photos

47:16

of these really bizarre three-toed footprints that were

47:18

left behind in the backyard and around the

47:20

creek bed in his property. And they were

47:22

about half the size of a human foot.

47:24

And they also had dermal ridges, which

47:26

in August of 2023, we did a

47:29

three-part Bigfoot series

47:31

episode. And we talked

47:33

about the importance of dermal ridges in the

47:35

foot castings because it's really hard to fake.

47:37

And it definitely is something that leans

47:39

more to like an authentic footprint, because

47:42

it's almost like a fingerprint of the foot, basically.

47:44

Right. And so all of these footprints

47:48

seemed very legit. And

47:50

they were largely found in like

47:52

sediment from mine shafts.

47:55

So like right along where these

47:57

creatures from 50 years ago on the

48:00

other side of Kentucky would hide.

48:02

So it's like, again, just using all

48:04

of the caves and whatever

48:06

sort of tunnel system already exists

48:08

to hide out at night. So

48:12

Greg and Dana, they dive a lot deeper into the

48:14

series and where I'm at in the

48:16

series right now, they're interviewing a bunch

48:18

of people. And there's plenty of people

48:20

who talk about and even children who

48:22

have stories of seeing these small

48:25

pale creatures coming out of the mine shafts

48:27

and all of this stuff. So

48:29

now I went from being like,

48:31

Oh, the moon on people are definitely just a group

48:33

of native people who

48:36

were probably like much smaller in population, not

48:39

much is known about them. Maybe they assimilated

48:41

into some of the other

48:43

groups, like whatever. I went from thinking that to 100%

48:45

being on the side that these

48:48

were aliens. That's

48:51

how it happens. In Hellier, everyone

48:53

should watch it. They do talk about

48:56

all of these sightings, the synchronicities

48:58

between David Christie's experience, the Hopkins

49:00

filled goblin sightings, and a plethora

49:02

of firsthand accounts that they find

49:04

along the way, including connections to

49:07

the Moss Man prophecies, which is

49:09

so wild. Wait, this is great

49:11

because next week

49:14

is all about Moss Man prophecies.

49:16

Oh, shit. Okay, I

49:18

got to find a Moss Man email then to read

49:21

the end of that episode. It's a good

49:23

one. Okay, I'm looking forward to it. But

49:25

to wrap this episode up, all

49:28

along the Appalachia, these small creatures

49:30

come out at night favoring the

49:32

cave systems as their hiding place

49:35

or home and instilling fear from

49:37

the people who encounter them. Could

49:39

these creatures be the moon

49:42

eyed people, the lost colony

49:44

of the Appalachia? The

49:46

Appalachian Mountains hold many secrets. And for now,

49:48

the moon eyed people remain one of them

49:51

person, goblin, alien,

49:54

we may never know. Yeah, it's hard. I

49:56

don't know what I think they are. I

49:59

do like my theory. referring to

50:01

kin's email, but it is

50:03

interesting that people continue to

50:05

experience entities similar to them. And also

50:08

just Appalachian, Appalachian, however you want

50:10

to call it, the

50:12

trail is just in general and those mountain

50:14

ranges have so many hauntings,

50:17

paranormal, whether it's paranormal, supernatural,

50:19

cryptic, whatever it is, that

50:22

I almost feel like if you were in

50:24

that area and you were camping

50:27

or whatever you may be doing,

50:29

would you know how to

50:31

differentiate what you're encountering from

50:33

the plethora of things

50:35

that you could possibly encounter? Well, it

50:38

was interesting too, because this was a

50:40

very quick part of Hellier, but

50:43

they were talking about how these creatures, what

50:46

could also be the moon-eyed people that I just

50:48

described, but these goblin-like

50:50

creatures or the creatures in

50:53

Hellier, Kentucky, that same description

50:55

is found in so many

50:58

different creatures all over

51:00

the US, but especially on the eastern seaboard. And

51:03

so it was basically insinuating that these

51:05

things could exist in a lot of

51:07

different places, but we just

51:09

have different names for them. It's kind of

51:11

like Bigfoot, right? Like there's so many different

51:13

versions, Yowie, the Swamp

51:16

Monster. Yeah, there's

51:18

so many. So it's

51:20

like this could very well just be

51:22

the exact same cryptid or alien or

51:25

creature that we just don't understand. And

51:27

we're giving them different names because regionally

51:29

we're experiencing things and we're just assuming

51:31

it's happening in that one region. But

51:34

this makes me want like a David Pilates type of

51:36

map, right? Where it's like it connects all

51:39

of the creatures that have different names. And

51:41

we just have one list where it's like also

51:43

known as the Sisyphus and we just give them

51:45

like one name, you

51:48

know, where it's like the fox and

51:50

then you can see where the Arctic

51:52

fox is or the red fox or

51:54

whatever. But because we've never actually been

51:56

able to like fully stop, look at,

51:58

analyze, it is hard to know if

52:00

they are of the same species, or

52:02

like you know how there are

52:04

different like sub branches of

52:08

like there's different like cat species.

52:10

Yeah. And dog breeds. Well, it was

52:12

also in Helyer too. They were showing

52:14

pictures that the guy David Christie

52:16

and his pseudonym has sent them that

52:20

he captured of these creatures

52:22

like looking in his windows. And

52:24

it was really interesting because they both look

52:26

like photos people have taken of

52:28

alien like creatures, but then they also kind of

52:31

looked because they were grainy enough and dark enough.

52:33

They also kind of looked like like the great

52:35

horned owl or

52:37

like a certain owl from

52:40

far enough away, you know, like what

52:42

they're really big because owls do have

52:44

like the very flat faces and like

52:47

wide eyes. They're just giant owls, but

52:49

then that doesn't make sense either. Because

52:51

it's like you know, an owl, especially if

52:53

you're living in

52:55

a certain geographical location,

52:58

like owls are all over.

53:00

There's no way that

53:02

all of these native groups would be like, what's

53:04

an owl? It's a huge part of

53:06

their share their

53:08

own belief system too. So it's like, in

53:11

terms of relating it to what said

53:13

to be part of Native American lore,

53:15

I don't think an owl would

53:18

make sense. No, I think for

53:20

modern day times for certain photos, an owl

53:22

makes sense. But it still doesn't make sense.

53:24

Like what owls hang out and crawl out

53:26

of cave systems and play with

53:29

children's toys in the middle of the night on

53:31

the grass. And also are just

53:33

like constantly peering into your window and like

53:35

that engaged and curious about you as a

53:37

human. I don't yeah, I don't buy that.

53:39

And I think as humans, we try to

53:42

make connections in

53:44

order to like comprehend something. So if you see a

53:46

picture that you don't know what it is, but it

53:49

looks like an owl, it is easier for us to

53:51

be like, well, it's owl like about

53:53

just human. I don't know. I think

53:55

that there are these little alien creatures

53:57

living in that area. Who has

54:00

I just got the chills thinking about going camping

54:02

there and encountering one.

54:05

Remember that time when you had, something

54:07

had been calling you there? Oh

54:10

my God, I felt so strongly.

54:13

I was like, I'm gonna quit my job. I'm gonna convince

54:15

my brother to quit his job and we're gonna go on

54:18

the Apple Watch and trail together. You

54:21

know what, you did the safer option, which

54:23

is you quit your job and just talked

54:25

about it. Yeah, and then

54:27

I did an Apple Time Podcaster. It

54:30

is weird though because it's like I still exist basically

54:34

on a part of that trail. Growing

54:36

up in New England, the mountain range is

54:39

here. I have definitely spent time

54:41

on the trail. I

54:43

just haven't slept over or

54:45

been there at night. It's

54:48

very different going on like a two mile hike or

54:51

five mile hike than actually

54:53

being out there and investigating.

54:57

Okay, well this is an email from a listener

54:59

who did investigate, not

55:02

the moon eyed children. But also

55:04

moon eyed is like a

55:06

beautiful, I feel like that's a beautiful description. Like

55:09

if someone said I had moon eyes,

55:11

I would be like, okay, romance

55:14

love letter. Because it makes me think of the moon.

55:16

Yeah, so I'm like, oh, full of wonder and

55:19

luster and mystery and intrigue

55:21

and just. Yeah, exactly.

55:24

I like that description. Okay, this is from

55:27

our listener, Laney, and it

55:29

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56:27

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56:29

about ghosts and spirits that I thought we should

56:31

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56:33

can help haunt us as well. Now

56:35

let me give you some background: family

56:37

young age. I've always had weird experiences

56:39

and never knew how to explain them.

56:42

From dreams of things that would later

56:44

happen disappear days later, to extreme emotions

56:46

to objects turning on, turning off. Things.

56:48

Moving in, flying across the room and

56:51

to odd interactions with people, I just

56:53

brushed it off because when I was

56:55

younger. I would cry to my mom all about

56:57

it and it was really hard for me and

56:59

my mom. Does go hunting on the side

57:01

and a few times I would go along

57:03

with her and I would always feel so

57:06

flooded from emotions and after the event I

57:08

would feel so drained. But. This

57:10

past weekend a post college graduation

57:12

idea. I. Went to another investigation

57:14

with my mom and the group she

57:17

goes goes hunting with which are in

57:19

my opinion kind of famous and have

57:21

a show on destination America. Make.

57:23

Cool I wonder who me too. So

57:26

they decided since they were in Louisville,

57:28

Kentucky to go hunting for the answer

57:30

to the Pope Lake monster. Parts.

57:33

Cheap parts. goat. Part.

57:35

Man that resides on or near an

57:37

active train. along

57:40

with as many people have passed away

57:42

some being hit by the passing trained.

57:44

Here's where it gets weird. We

57:46

had M S K choose spear

57:49

boxes. And. All the other sorts of things

57:51

going. I was holding the key to

57:53

Meet Air, which is a device that goes from green

57:55

to dark red depending on how high the energy

57:57

was. Everyone around me when I think.

58:00

and getting active responses. I,

58:02

however, was just silent looking at the K2 as

58:05

it kept going back and forth from green to

58:07

dark orange. I started to

58:09

feel very, very strange, and I

58:11

started to feel very overwhelmed with sadness. I

58:13

began to sob. I could hardly control my breathing,

58:16

and soon a train began to pass. I

58:19

begged my mom to bring over the psychic that was there

58:21

with us that night after the train passed. And I was

58:23

talking with the psychic, and I was able

58:25

to get my breathing back. And soon I began

58:28

to talk to my mom and to the psychic. She

58:30

told me that I was sensitive. Along with being sensitive,

58:33

she said that I had a spirit with me, describing

58:35

her around my height, like 5'5", with

58:39

dark hair and who was close to my family. My

58:42

mom began to cry, and I asked if she was

58:44

just talking about my mom, but my mom said, no,

58:46

I know exactly who. And

58:48

when I asked, she said, my grandma, who had passed

58:50

away when I was younger. My

58:52

grandma has apparently been by my side my whole

58:55

life, guiding me through all of this and

58:57

trying to get me to be aware of the fact that

58:59

I am sensitive. I found out

59:01

though, that night from my own account, that I can

59:03

usually begin to feel the emotions of what other people

59:06

are feeling the moment they pass. So

59:08

I don't know if that's real, but that's the only way I

59:10

can put it into words. So I wonder if

59:12

when the train was about to pass, Lainey

59:15

was struck with like all the different emotions

59:17

of people on that train. Yeah,

59:19

that is interesting. Or if

59:21

people have passed there, of course, if there's

59:23

spirits who have died tragically in that way.

59:26

Right, yeah, like could it be residual? Or

59:29

even is it like, is it something that

59:31

was just about to happen too? You

59:33

know, is it almost like a premonition? Like is someone else

59:35

about to pass soon in that

59:37

area? I hope not, that's

59:40

what I said. It's not because you

59:42

can't do anything about it. I know. Okay,

59:44

but actually that's kind of answered it. So

59:46

knowing all of this had actually made me

59:48

realize a bunch of things from other experiences

59:50

I had. There was one time

59:52

I was in a graveyard and I started getting

59:54

sharp pains in my head. And

59:57

I realized that the grave that I was standing in front of was from

59:59

a... man who had been shot and died

1:00:02

from being shot in his head. Oh,

1:00:05

God. Other times feeling like

1:00:07

I can't breathe and then learning it with the spirit

1:00:09

of someone who was suffocated to death or

1:00:11

strangled. I'm not necessarily sure where

1:00:13

learning this information will take me, but I hope

1:00:15

I can use it to help individuals later on

1:00:18

when I begin to follow this new foundation. See

1:00:20

you on the other side and hopefully I'll meet

1:00:22

you at your show in Nashville, Laney. And this

1:00:24

was sent back in 2019

1:00:26

when we first did our show in Nashville.

1:00:29

Wow. Oh gosh,

1:00:31

I just it's so interesting because it's like,

1:00:34

when people are more sensitive, it is kind

1:00:37

of confusing when it comes to what you're

1:00:39

picking up on. Like, are you picking up

1:00:41

on the energies of people

1:00:43

who have passed some sort of residual

1:00:46

energy? Or is there just something

1:00:48

in the air that is unexplainable

1:00:50

and a little bit more like cryptid

1:00:52

and mystery and you're picking up on

1:00:54

that feeling of like sadness and fear

1:00:56

and just your body's reacting to being

1:00:58

near something that could potentially

1:01:00

be dangerous? I don't know. I'm

1:01:03

curious now because since I was in 2019, where

1:01:06

Laney is in their exploration

1:01:09

and their journey

1:01:11

of understanding these abilities.

1:01:14

I also love that they were,

1:01:16

it was a paranormal investigation, a

1:01:18

ghost, ghostly paranormal investigation, but with

1:01:21

the determination to understand

1:01:23

a cryptid. Yes. Yeah,

1:01:28

which is helpful. You know, use all your

1:01:30

resources. Yeah. Did you discover

1:01:32

anything about the public monster? And also

1:01:35

I'm curious now for Laney

1:01:37

probably understanding a bit more

1:01:39

about their feelings and

1:01:41

what certain things mean within their

1:01:43

own like intuition and magic

1:01:46

abilities, looking back and

1:01:48

reflecting on this experience, what

1:01:51

Laney thinks she was feeling because

1:01:53

we have what what Laney thought at the

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time. Yeah, but now is

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there any like missing connections like oh shit.

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feel that way. It's actually because

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this is about to happen. Should I look and

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see if we have any updates from Lainey? Yeah.

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It's kind of cool how many people have

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began their journeys with

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the podcast or not even with it but have

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sent us emails from the beginning of their journeys

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and that was years and years ago. Yeah. Now

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they are so much more advanced. We

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don't have another email. But

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I will ask. I will follow up. Okay. All

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