0:00

Very spooky. Hello,

0:22

should we start the episode with a little kitty ASMR? Sure,

0:25

Leia perched herself here, she wants it. Give

0:27

it to us. What

0:32

if I just like left the microphone and

0:34

gave her the show for the day? That

0:36

would be incredible. Just

0:39

a show produced for cats, where it's just cats

0:42

only. Kittens inspired

0:44

by kittens. I'm her

0:47

mom. No, she's

0:49

not. If

0:53

anyone didn't know we were millennials, they will know

0:55

now. It's very obvious now. And if you don't

0:57

know what we're talking about, just

0:59

YouTube kittens inspired by kittens and enjoy

1:01

yourself for a quick two minutes. It's

1:04

lovely. I said my mom,

1:06

do you remember the woman who

1:08

it was like her match.com video

1:10

or something like that? And

1:13

it was a woman who was like obsessed with cats and

1:15

she's talking about how sad she is that like all the

1:17

cats can't have homes and she just wants to give all

1:19

of them homes. And she's like by the end of the

1:21

video bawling her eyes out. I

1:24

don't know if I've ever seen this. Okay, I'll send that

1:26

one to you. But I

1:30

my mom, every time I talk to her, because she does a lot

1:32

of fostering, which is where I get it from. But

1:35

every time I talk to her, she's just

1:37

like, it's so upsetting. Like there's so many

1:39

cats. And it like it is like, she

1:41

is that woman. But she is

1:44

that woman. And yeah, well, and

1:46

my mom goes, I

1:48

have no problem getting dates. Don't

1:51

worry. Okay. We know

1:53

Aurora. We've seen

1:55

your dating history. We see your past.

1:58

We know you've heard my mother's dating history. I don't

2:00

need anything. Yeah. Oh

2:03

my gosh. What? Do

2:07

I out my mom for this? I'm

2:10

not gonna, this is your choice. I'm

2:12

not gonna encourage you or dissuade you. No,

2:14

I won't because I think some of you are

2:16

like, I think she like met someone through like

2:18

a business thing that was like, oh, I listened

2:20

to that podcast. Or she like talks about the

2:23

podcast and like they listened. So I won't

2:25

out my mother. All I will say, maybe you know

2:27

what? I'll do it on a Patreon episode. For

2:32

$5 a month, you can get some gossip

2:34

on Sabrina's family and

2:36

a whole lot of other things like

2:38

ad free and one week early episodes

2:41

and bonus episodes. There's our plug for

2:43

Patreon. Going right in.

2:46

That's hilarious. Honestly, why do

2:48

I think it's safer behind the paywall? I don't

2:51

know, but for my mother's sake.

2:53

Same, there's some sort of security

2:55

with our Patreon where I feel like I

2:57

am way more open

2:59

there too. I know, I was gonna at

3:01

people for something that they did recently

3:04

on our campfire stories. Oh,

3:07

I was like someone on our Patreon? I don't know if

3:09

they're on our Patreon, but I was gonna at some of

3:11

our listeners because they, you know who

3:13

you are and you know what you did. They're adding

3:15

you. They're adding me, but I

3:17

see, I see. I'm

3:19

not oblivious. Listen, if I

3:22

had answers. We see the inquiring

3:24

minds and I'm just sitting

3:26

here sipping my tea, waiting

3:30

for the same things you guys are

3:32

too. Well, you

3:34

know everything. Okay, here's the

3:36

thing. If I had the ability

3:39

to concisely say anything about anything,

3:41

I would, I don't.

3:44

The rest of the best way to think of it, it's like there's

3:46

a big stew and it's being

3:49

shirred around and you

3:51

haven't scooped up the helping that

3:53

you want yet. Does that even make sense?

3:56

I put the bay leaf in for a little bit of

3:58

soaking and I have it. gotten to

4:00

the point where you remove it and enjoy the

4:02

soup. You're still in the middle of things. In

4:06

the thick of it, yeah. In the thick

4:08

of it. Backyardigan. What's

4:10

in the nose? Fucking wife.

4:13

Quoting backyardigan. Anywho, that

4:15

looks like... I feel

4:17

like saying everything and nothing at the same time.

4:20

Which is what we just did. So I'm going

4:22

to read a quote that is on my

4:24

teabag leaf to... Oh, thank you. ...transition

4:27

us away from this conversation. What

4:29

is in the two leaves today? It's an

4:31

Emily Dickinson quote and it says, How strange

4:34

that nature does not knock and

4:36

yet does not intrude. Why

4:38

can't I understand this? How strange

4:40

that nature does not knock and yet

4:43

does not intrude. Oh, okay. Well,

4:46

nature, I guess, enters our

4:48

lives without knocking, but it's not

4:50

a nuisance. It is a beautiful

4:52

part of our life. I guess,

4:54

yeah. Yeah. All right.

4:58

Anywho, this is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two

5:01

girls, one ghost. And

5:03

we are your ghost. This is... that is

5:05

Corvin. Hello. I am Sabrina. I'm wearing my

5:07

new sweatshirt that my sister gave me that says,

5:09

Godmother. And then it has Noemi's name

5:11

on the sleeve. Oh my God. So cute.

5:15

Wait, I had a dream about you and Noemi last

5:17

night. Wait, I had dreams about you last night. We're

5:20

together. Where were we? What

5:22

time of day was it? I think you were mean to

5:24

me. Oh, sorry. Wait,

5:26

oh my gosh. I'm so mad at

5:28

myself. I literally... I think so. I...

5:32

When my alarm first went off this morning, I

5:34

woke up from one of those dreams and I was like, Oh,

5:36

like I should write this down right now. So I don't forget. But

5:38

then I was so tired. I was like, I'm gonna sleep. Like

5:41

I woke up at like five and my alarm was for like

5:43

5.30. I was like, I'm gonna sleep my extra 30 minutes. So

5:46

I forget. What was your dream? So

5:48

wait, so you don't know if I was mean to

5:51

you or not? I feel like we were doing something

5:53

interesting and exciting. It

5:55

was definitely a notable dream about you that I was

5:57

like, Oh, I should definitely talk about this when we

5:59

record. And now it's forgotten. Now it's gone.

6:01

Well, so in my dream, we were kind

6:03

of a little bit on an adventure too.

6:05

I don't know where we were, but it

6:07

was dark. It was rainy. And

6:09

we were driving in this black Escalade,

6:11

except we weren't the drivers, we were

6:13

the passengers. And you got out

6:15

and you had to do something. And I feel

6:18

like I was along for the ride and I

6:20

didn't actually know really what we were doing. Like

6:22

you were very much leading the path and I was just

6:24

kind of like going with the flow. You

6:27

were babysitting Noemi. And in the car,

6:29

as the car was just like sitting there, you put her

6:31

kind of like, it's hard to

6:34

describe, but the Escalade had these cup

6:36

holders that would like

6:38

fit a baby. And

6:41

you put Noemi in them. And I

6:43

was like, I don't think Sabrina will be that mad

6:45

if I like take her out and just hold her

6:48

in the car while the car is parked. And so

6:50

I just kind of laid her down on my legs

6:52

with my legs together. And she was like looking up

6:54

at me and I was just like, hi Noemi, hi

6:56

Noemi. And then you came back and

6:58

you opened the car door and she looks over and

7:01

you couldn't hear her yet because you were like very

7:03

distracted and still talking. And she

7:05

was like, Mama, Mama. And I had this panic

7:07

where I was like, do I tell

7:10

Sabrina that Noemi called her Mama? With

7:12

her sister to know that Noemi called her Mama.

7:14

And it was like this thing where I was

7:16

like, she said something, what if it's her first

7:18

word? Like,

7:21

and that was my dream. Well,

7:23

I'm curious now if she's going

7:25

to say Mama because she hasn't

7:28

really said any words, full words

7:30

yet. She squeals, which is really

7:32

cute. But I wonder if

7:34

she'll say Mama when we're FaceTiming. And

7:36

I'm going to tell my sister that she thinks I'm her

7:38

mom. Because I had a dream

7:40

about it and I'm a witch. And

7:43

you are. I was trying to think like

7:45

what witchy thing I should do, start doing. Well,

7:47

you've already been doing tarot. I've been doing

7:49

my tarot in the morning. fact

8:00

for you that I learned through my friend Alison

8:02

who lives in Marblehead is that

8:04

hundreds some years

8:06

ago there was this, it

8:09

was an asylum and it was for women

8:11

who were, you know, having some

8:14

issues were quote unquote like hysterical or whatever

8:17

and they would be sent away. Sorry, there's

8:21

so much construction and it's gonna be loud in

8:23

the background. But they were sent

8:25

away to this asylum in Marblehead and it

8:27

was kind of like the treatment was just

8:30

being by the seaside and

8:32

getting to read all day and do

8:34

pottery and walk along the ocean. And

8:36

it sounds like the best retreat ever

8:38

but it was like basically medically what

8:40

they were sent to do. They

8:42

would create this pottery, it's Marblehead pottery

8:44

and it's actually pottery created by all

8:47

of these women who were at this

8:49

like institution a hundred some years ago.

8:51

And now you can find pieces

8:53

they're like I think minimum $400 online you

8:55

can find some of them. But there is

8:57

some that has been like broken up and

9:00

is in the sea and

9:02

they wash up still on the beaches in

9:04

Marblehead. It's a very beautiful day. So beautiful.

9:06

Yeah, maybe you should start pottery. I was

9:09

gonna say maybe I should become hysterical and

9:11

travel through time. Oh

9:15

my gosh, I can't remember the exact

9:17

quote but there's this woman that I follow

9:19

on TikTok her name is like peaches PCR

9:21

or something like that. She's a singer from

9:23

Australia and she's very hilarious. And

9:25

she's also part of her personality is

9:27

like being very heavily medicated. She's got a lot going

9:30

on and she speaks very openly about it. But

9:32

she was talking about how someone had

9:34

like another hallucination about her being in a

9:36

place that she wasn't in. But it

9:39

took her a while to understand

9:41

that like she had never actually met

9:43

this person and it wasn't a true story about her because she

9:45

was like, here's the thing,

9:47

I've been in the psych

9:50

ward. And who's to say

9:52

a girl can't be a little psychotic when she's in

9:54

the psych ward and she was just talking about how

9:56

like she's let herself really feel

9:58

whatever she wants and there sometimes.

10:01

You know if you

10:03

are in a place where you are dealing

10:05

with the hard stuff whether it's a psych

10:07

ward or trauma treatment or whatever it gets

10:10

worse before it gets better is all I'll say. This

10:13

is a horrible transition from

10:15

that conversation into the episode

10:17

today but we're not going to be

10:19

talking about any

10:21

of what we previously talked about. Well we'll

10:23

talk about madness in a different way. There's

10:26

a madness in the paranormal. Yeah

10:28

and also in a fanaticism

10:31

of a type of

10:33

thing which you're going to start talking about.

10:35

That is so true and

10:37

who better to talk about this topic

10:39

than me because we're talking about sports

10:41

and everyone knows I'm a huge sports

10:43

girl. I understand all the rules. I

10:45

know more than five players

10:47

names. What's your favorite sport? An

10:51

actual legit answer. I do really

10:53

enjoy watching hockey. I get very into it.

10:56

Every time someone fights ice cream kids

10:58

kids kids. They never do. It will

11:00

happen one day though. I love watching

11:02

hockey but I can't name a single

11:05

player. That's okay. We also this

11:07

is a great opportunity to bring up our

11:09

lacrosse years. Yeah

11:12

we relax girls. We're lax girls.

11:14

We played lacrosse together at LMU

11:18

and I feel like we

11:20

were pretty good. Well here's

11:22

the thing. Lacrosse is huge in the

11:24

Northeast and so when

11:26

we went to Southern California and just

11:28

played Club Lacrosse we had

11:30

the advantage of it was like putting

11:33

someone who was in middle school with

11:35

someone who was playing in college a

11:37

lot of the time. Yeah. Because club

11:40

anyone can join right. You don't have

11:42

to have played ever before and also

11:44

our training was a lot more

11:46

intense than any of the people who played

11:49

on the West Coast and grew up playing.

11:51

I used to go every spring break we

11:53

would go to Florida and play for the

11:55

full spring break and

11:57

train for the season. Yeah I played.

12:00

year round and on my like year round

12:02

club team in high school, our coach would

12:04

sign us up for college tournaments to make

12:06

us better. We would mostly lose,

12:09

but it makes so much better. But I think one

12:11

of the interesting facts, my dad loves to talk about

12:14

this. He like bragged about it. I'm like, dad, I

12:16

don't think it's that much of a brag. But you

12:18

and I, if you actually look at

12:20

the years that we played lacrosse in

12:23

the like division we were in, we

12:25

were like in the top 10 players on the

12:27

whole West Coast. You never

12:29

known that fact. I didn't know that either.

12:31

My dad, I think Google's our names. And

12:36

club. Wow, look at us. Yeah,

12:38

we were good guys. We

12:40

actually were pretty good. I'll put my own

12:42

horn for us or our own horns. I

12:45

actually miss lacrosse. I would love to go

12:47

lax it up. Me too.

12:49

Do you want to play lacrosse when you're

12:51

out here? Unite just in the backyard. Bring

12:53

your stick. Next time you come. Yeah, let's

12:55

just play catch. Okay. Let's

12:58

just throw them all around. Okay. I

13:00

probably have two sticks in my parents house. I can bring

13:02

my stick. I still have my stick. All right. I

13:04

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14:57

right, but we're not talking about lacrosse, but

14:59

we are talking about sports because

15:01

there was a lot of talk this year

15:03

during the Super Bowl that happened just a few

15:05

weeks prior about Taylor Swift.

15:07

And I know there's two camps

15:10

where some people are very frustrated

15:12

that Taylor Swift has gotten some

15:14

extra limelight and has taken

15:16

over, taken over, quote unquote, was shown for

15:18

like 30 seconds per game on the screen.

15:20

And then there's other people that are like,

15:22

oh my gosh, she's bringing in so much

15:24

more money, so many more fans. How great

15:27

is this? All of these young

15:29

teenage girls are like bonding with their

15:31

dads, watching the game together. How magical.

15:34

And so really Taylor Swift has

15:36

been talked about as being a good luck

15:39

charm for the Kansas City Chiefs because

15:41

she's dating Travis Kelsey, who

15:44

plays on the Kansas City Chiefs. I feel like I have to

15:46

explain this, even though I don't, because I think the majority of

15:48

the world knows everything about Taylor Swift.

15:50

But just in case people don't and

15:52

people don't know who Travis Kelsey is,

15:54

Travis Kelsey is Taylor Swift's boyfriend. And

15:57

we also have international listeners who potentially.

16:00

don't follow football. Okay, so yeah, this

16:02

footballer who is a big

16:05

name on the team dates

16:07

international pop country superstar Taylor

16:09

Swift and there the team

16:11

is doing fantastic and in fact

16:14

they go on and they win the Super Bowl.

16:16

So everyone's like wow Taylor Swift

16:18

and all of her friendship bracelets really

16:20

are the best luck ever.

16:22

Although they did win last year too. We're

16:25

gonna pretend they did. Okay. We're gonna

16:27

pretend only Taylor Swift is the reason for

16:29

all of this, perhaps like lively or ice

16:31

spice. Are you trying to tell us that

16:34

we need to date Taylor Swift to become

16:36

successful because if that's the case, fine, sign

16:38

me up. Yeah, although I feel like the

16:40

people that she dates, they're great. I

16:43

think she dates people like either before their peak or

16:45

at their peak and then after the

16:47

breakup I feel like what are those people

16:49

doing? Well I guess George Jonas is

16:52

successful and Taylor Lautner. Everyone

16:54

loves Taylor. Never mind. I'm

16:56

not even a Swifty. I know very minimal

16:59

facts. I can't argue about anything. I think

17:01

that's a good point to say is that

17:03

neither of us are Swifties but we know

17:05

love Taylor Swift and respect her. So

17:08

like I think she's a brilliant business woman. A

17:10

notable business woman. Yeah, I agree.

17:12

Yeah. And I'll consume her music but I'm

17:14

not a Swifty. Yeah, don't ask me about

17:17

any of the lore because I know absolutely

17:19

nothing nor am I interested enough to look

17:21

it up but I do appreciate every time

17:23

I see interviews of her interacting with

17:25

people how kind she is and

17:27

whatnot. Anyhow, I was thinking about

17:30

the luck side of the conversation and then

17:32

it got me thinking about the curses

17:34

involved in sporting teams especially because there

17:36

was some gossip online about ice spice

17:39

being up in the box and people

17:41

were like she's throwing up satanic games

17:43

and trying to throw the games. Oh

17:45

my gosh. I don't know

17:47

anything about sports or any of

17:49

that so we're gonna cruise past that but

17:51

I was like oh that is interesting thinking

17:54

about individuals trying to curse games or just

17:56

the curses that exist and the superstitions that

17:58

exist within There's

18:01

so many superstitions. I always think

18:03

of what's that Bradley Cooper, Jennifer

18:05

Lawrence something

18:07

playbook and how I that whole

18:09

family has all their superstitions like

18:12

the remote has to be in the exact spot.

18:14

Everyone has to sit in their seat like all

18:16

those little things. Well Brianna, one

18:18

of my best friends and my

18:20

roommate for almost all of college and after

18:22

college, she was extremely

18:24

superstitious. I think about her almost

18:27

every day because if I'm walking outside there's

18:29

inevitably like a stop sign or like something

18:31

like a poll that will divide me and

18:33

another person I'm walking with. Not

18:36

allowed if you're with Brianna be on the same side

18:38

of the poll. Oh interesting. Yeah, there's

18:40

a lot of a lot of

18:42

things like that. Well in looking into

18:45

some of the sports curses, I

18:47

did also see an email in

18:49

our inbox from our listener Rebecca Solomon

18:52

and she had written basically

18:54

just like a synopsis of Chicago's

18:56

curse of the Billy Goat. So I'm going

18:58

to talk about a few

19:01

different curses. I guess three sports curses

19:03

and superstitions total, but I want to

19:05

start with Rebecca's email because I feel

19:07

like Rebecca wrote it perfectly. Rebecca, thanks

19:10

for doing our work for us. Yeah,

19:12

you did the first time in research for me.

19:15

Pardon me, I was like should I would like to do my own research

19:17

and reword this and then I was like she nailed it. So

19:20

why fix what's not broken? Exactly. Yeah, thank

19:22

you Rebecca. Unless you

19:24

say you don't want us to read your email in

19:27

your email, we'll read it verbatim.

19:29

Yes, we will. And here we go.

19:31

Rebecca says, before Chicago was the

19:33

big bustling city it is today, it

19:35

was once a growing town filled with

19:37

cottage style homes, wooden buildings and early

19:40

industrial shops all along cramped streets. The

19:42

wooden buildings were erected in close proximity

19:44

filled with people who lived and worked

19:46

in the growing community looking to raise

19:49

their families where jobs

19:51

and food were plentiful and easy to access.

19:54

In 1871 the city was thriving and the

19:56

community was full of hardworking people who were

19:58

infiltrating the once empty farming town

20:00

with new life. The city setup

20:02

led to one of the worst disasters in

20:05

Chicago history, the Great Chicago

20:07

Fire. Legend has it that a

20:09

farmer was working late in his barn when

20:11

his cow, Bessie, around 8.30 pm on October

20:14

8, 1871, knocked over a lantern and caught

20:19

the neighbor's shed on fire. The

20:21

city had been dry from a drought that

20:24

summer and the wood and the hay provided

20:26

a perfect kindling for the fire to spread

20:28

quickly. Bessie! And it did spread.

20:30

It spread to other structures. The blaze

20:32

roared for two days, consuming 3.3 square

20:35

miles in central Chicago and the north

20:37

side, and by the time the fire

20:39

was extinguished, 300 people had lost

20:41

their lives and 17,500 buildings had burned to the ground.

20:43

Was Bessie okay?

20:51

I mean, I guess not. Sorry,

20:53

Bessie. In the next five

20:56

years, the remaining residents had rebuilt, returned to

20:58

work, and the city had a new life.

21:00

The Chicago White Sox were gracing the field

21:02

of the local ballpark and fans came out

21:04

to enjoy their games and relax. In

21:07

1876, the White Stockings would

21:09

win the National League Championship. And they

21:11

won ten more championship titles before a

21:13

new Chicago baseball team came on the

21:15

scene. In 1903,

21:17

the Chicago Cubs were born and fans delighted to have

21:19

a new team in town. America's game,

21:22

baseball, was bringing families together and fans

21:24

flocked to the stadium to see them

21:26

play. A local tavern owner was

21:28

finding success with the fans flooding into his

21:30

establishment before and after the games. William

21:33

Sionis ran the Billy Goat Tavern near

21:35

the Cubs Stadium and he reveled in

21:37

the Cubs success. October 6, 1945,

21:39

the Cubs hosted Game 4 of the World Series

21:43

against the Detroit Tigers and

21:45

William, nicknamed Billy Goat, Sionis,

21:49

decided to bring his goat, named

21:51

Murphy. Wait, okay.

21:53

I'm so interested in

21:56

the name of his bar because Billy

21:58

is a nickname for William. Did he get

22:00

a goat after naming this bar? Yeah,

22:03

did the people call, was Billy Goat like

22:05

his nickname as a child? How

22:08

did this come about? Like the greatest of

22:10

all time, William, and then Billy Goat. And

22:13

then he was like, well, I'm gonna open a bar, Billy

22:15

Goat, and I'm gonna go. Like how

22:17

people would call someone like the kid. Yeah.

22:19

Which is a baby, Billy Goat. Interesting,

22:23

I don't know. But Murphy is brought along

22:25

to the game to bring the Cubs good

22:27

luck. All right, Murphy. Billy also felt that

22:29

by having the goat by his side, it

22:31

would bring attention to the Billy Goat Tavern.

22:33

Smart marketing. When the usher

22:35

taking tickets saw the goat, he refused

22:38

to let Murphy in. Sioness

22:40

appealed the Cubs owner, PK Wrigley,

22:42

to let Murphy into the stadium.

22:44

And Wrigley agreed that Sioness could

22:47

come in, but not the

22:49

goat. So when William

22:51

Sioness asked why his goat was

22:53

not allowed, Wrigley replied, because the

22:55

goat stinks. William,

22:58

Billy Goat, Sioness was

23:00

angered. And he replied, the Cubs ain't

23:02

gonna win no more World Series so

23:04

long as the goat is not allowed

23:06

in Wrigley Field. And from

23:08

that day on, the Cubs were

23:10

cursed. Oh my God,

23:13

I love this so much. It's

23:16

so good. All over a

23:18

goat, all over a goat. They

23:20

lost game four that day, and they

23:22

went on to be known as the

23:24

lovable losers. At

23:26

least they lovable. William was

23:29

quoted as saying, who stinks now?

23:32

So much stuff. It

23:34

is gold. As the losing streak continued,

23:36

the Chicago Cubs were officially a franchise,

23:39

but the curse of the Billy Goat,

23:41

keeping them from winning for 71 years.

23:46

Several attempts were planned to remove the

23:48

curse, but none were successful. The

23:51

Chicago Cubs wouldn't win a World Series until

23:53

September 2016. And

23:55

during the series playoffs, fans wore t-shirts

23:57

saying, I ain't afraid of no good.

24:00

So, a nod to the

24:02

famous Cubs fan, Bill Murray, who starred as

24:04

one of the original Ghostbusters. Of

24:06

course, the streets of Chicago erupted with fans

24:08

partying for days after the 2016 World

24:11

Series win and the break from the Billy

24:13

Goat curse. And then

24:15

she wrote, I hope you enjoyed this little

24:17

bit of Chicago lore and the goat curse

24:20

passed on by a Chicago Cubs fan.

24:23

So thank you, Rebecca. Bill

24:25

Murray is a big baseball, he invests

24:27

in like the Saints in Minnesota. There's

24:30

a whole documentary about Mike

24:33

Beck, who's like known

24:35

for creating all like the fun games

24:37

and stuff that occur at baseball games

24:39

now. I love that.

24:41

Okay, well, safe to say, Rebecca, I had to be

24:43

very intrigued with this. And so I was like, I

24:45

love curses now that

24:48

involve animals and

24:51

oddities. And so the

24:53

next two are going to be within

24:55

that category. Oh, hell yeah. I'm so

24:57

excited. Yeah, we're talking odd

24:59

curses here. This is fun. Okay.

25:02

Next up, the curse of the seven cats.

25:05

It's a legend, for sure, because people

25:08

do argue that with this story, it

25:10

changes a little bit every single time

25:12

it's published or resaid, recalled. So

25:15

the details are blurry. But regardless,

25:18

there's a curse of the seven black cats.

25:20

And I also find it interesting that so many

25:22

people are like, this can't be true. This is

25:24

a legend. So I'm like, since when

25:27

did sports fans ever forget a

25:29

single detail about anything? I feel

25:31

like they're memorized. Right. Maybe,

25:33

maybe it's legend. Maybe it's more.

25:36

Sure. It also could

25:38

be passed down through people and just

25:40

as with most stories, they do change

25:42

as they're told. True. Well,

25:45

whether it's completely factual, or it's been

25:47

embellished over time, there

25:49

were seven cats said to be haunting

25:52

the world of soccer. Oh,

25:54

football. We're going football

25:56

and we're going to South America.

25:59

I was a soccer. girl too. My dad always loves

26:01

to tell me that he's disappointed that I

26:03

didn't play soccer in college and I was

26:05

like, I wasn't that good. Maybe

26:08

if you went to the West Coast. Well, actually, I

26:11

feel like the West Coast is, well, I

26:13

don't know. I feel like soccer is huge

26:15

everywhere. Yeah. I mean, I was, I loved

26:18

soccer, but I liked doing the school

26:20

plays more. She was a theater kid

26:23

at heart. Yeah. Look

26:25

at me now, dad. You

26:34

know what I don't miss at all that

26:36

terrible vicious week before the period when I

26:38

felt like brawling out of my literal skin

26:40

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27:48

this legend. Okay. And we're going to Argentina and

27:51

in Argentina, they live and they breathe

27:53

soccer. Their soccer team is ranked number

27:56

one. And when they play the world

27:58

tunes in. I certainly remember multiple

28:00

times when Argentina would be playing in the

28:02

World Cup and people would take off Like

28:05

take sick days and just do whatever they

28:07

could to actually that scared me. So Sabrina

28:10

did your door just open on its own? Yes

28:14

Do we have an Argentinian soccer fan

28:16

in the house? Hello? So

28:21

has that ever happened I mean to be

28:24

honest this door is It's like

28:26

this is a my bathroom door and like

28:29

this thing sometimes gets stuck in And

28:32

you'd like to enable it to get it out Okay.

28:35

Yeah, I feel like even closing it right now. Oh, there

28:37

we go If there's a ghost

28:40

here open the door again, and we'll say hello

28:42

and pause and try to communicate We'll try to

28:44

talk to you. All right,

28:46

so Argentina. They have an amazing soccer

28:48

team They pretty much it feels like

28:51

they always have but it wasn't always

28:53

the case Because the legend and the

28:55

curse pertains to one of their most

28:57

popular soccer clubs Racing Club

29:00

de Ava Lene de okay early in

29:02

the 20th century these guys they were

29:04

on fire This team was sick

29:07

and the team was nicknamed la academia just

29:09

for how excellent and superior they were So

29:12

like people literally called them the Academy because

29:14

they were like superior

29:17

the best of the best They

29:19

won the first division title 18 times Seven

29:22

of them were consecutive and five of

29:25

which were completely undefeated. So they look

29:27

just be everybody Love

29:29

crazy consistently, but their

29:31

winnings didn't last forever because for

29:33

the next few decades la academia

29:37

Slips back to just being the

29:39

racing club struggling to win

29:41

like they once had but then

29:43

it happened in 1996

29:45

they blew other teams out of the water and then

29:47

in 1967 more victory in the intercontinental Cup,

29:52

but not everyone was happy for the racing club.

29:55

They had their moments but then other teams came

29:57

to shine and some of those fans were upset

29:59

and And some of those

30:01

fans were of a rival club,

30:04

Club Atletico Independiente,

30:06

and they were livid. Despite both

30:09

teams being from the same area, so they

30:11

were literally basically from the same city or

30:14

town or region. For sure. They

30:16

did not like that the racing club was

30:18

winning over their team, Club

30:20

Atletico Independiente. That's the worst part

30:22

about sports is that someone's always

30:25

upset. Exactly. And so it's also

30:27

wild to think that this area,

30:30

I know I'm butchering all of these Spanish words, by the

30:32

way, so I'm so sorry. Avalonada,

30:34

that it just splits in

30:36

two with this extreme rivalry.

30:39

It seems a bit ludicrous, but they

30:41

were... They were... Whoa! Sorry.

30:44

Two things that I know nothing about,

30:46

like music and sports. So I

30:49

will shut up now. I

30:53

mean, I feel like you're within the same music

30:55

genre of where we first started, which was the

30:57

Super Bowl 2024, when

31:00

we got to see the best of the best of 2004.

31:03

Great. You're there with Luda.

31:06

Thank you. So what do people

31:08

do when they wish others worth luck? They

31:12

curse them. And so legend

31:14

says, a small group of Club

31:17

Atletico Independiente fans went and met

31:19

with a local witch. And

31:21

this local witch advised them to bring

31:24

seven dead black cats into the racing

31:26

stadium to curse that soccer team. Oh,

31:28

that makes me really sad. I know.

31:31

I hope the cats were already dead. Me

31:34

too. So they were like, okay,

31:36

easy enough. And they go

31:38

to the stadium. The night watchman who worked

31:40

there was not even a racing fan. He

31:43

was an Independiente fan. And so

31:45

he was like, oh, fuck yeah, I'll let you in

31:47

to try to like curse this team. Screw

31:49

my employer, I don't care. I care more about my

31:51

soccer team. So the watchman allowed

31:53

the group to pass. And he even suggested

31:56

that they bury the seventh dead cat somewhere

31:58

else away from the other cluster. of

32:00

six dead cats to make the curse harder to

32:02

lift. And they were like, oh, great idea. And

32:05

that's exactly what they did. They

32:07

buried seven dead cats under

32:09

the stadium entrance. And some say it

32:11

was under the gold. Other people say

32:14

it was under the stadium entrance. But

32:16

regardless, the seventh was not buried with

32:18

the rest of them. And over the

32:20

next couple decades, the racing club seemed

32:22

to have a string of bad luck.

32:24

And it's like, is this because of

32:26

the curse? I don't know. They've

32:29

had moments and blips in time where

32:31

they haven't been so great as well.

32:33

So like, kind of a

32:35

toss up. But this was

32:37

the very first year after the cats

32:40

were buried. And so everyone was like,

32:42

No, this is the curse. We're extremely

32:44

superstitious. Now this definitely is not the

32:46

fault of the soccer players. So

32:49

independent day, the team whose

32:51

fans buried these cats, that

32:54

team beat racing club four to zero

32:56

in the last game of the season,

32:59

which led them to win the Primera

33:01

division title. My question is, like, how

33:03

do people know about the buried cats?

33:05

How do they know that there was a

33:07

curse put upon them? I'm sure people brag about it,

33:09

right? It feels like Oh,

33:14

is it time for the REM pod? I

33:17

really want to think it's just like the air.

33:19

Yeah, it's interesting,

33:21

though. Because you know, we have had

33:23

past year of you sitting in

33:25

front of that door recording episodes. That

33:28

hasn't happened. What's the name

33:30

of the spirit that sometimes hangs out

33:32

there? Was it Hank? Harold?

33:36

I can't remember. It was an H name. Check

33:39

out the spirit box real quick. Yeah,

33:41

let's just see. Let's take a

33:43

moment. Okay, we'll talk.

33:45

I heard you. That

33:47

was the spirit. Please hold. Okay,

33:50

we have our equipment I'm gonna do up with the

33:53

REM pod out. Have a little

33:55

fun with me for some port. Are

34:01

there any spirits here that open the

34:03

door? It

34:17

sounded like something. I thought it said Harold. Harold,

34:20

are you here with us? I

34:27

really can't hear it. Ask what their name

34:29

is. What's your name?

34:47

It sounds like a bunch of different voices, to be honest. Alright.

34:52

Just keep the door open a crack,

34:54

and then if it starts to actually like

34:56

slowly open, you run

34:59

out screaming. Well, I don't

35:01

feel bad vibes right now, but I'll

35:03

also leave the REM pod on if

35:05

you would like. Alright.

35:08

All the spirits in Sabrina's place buckle

35:11

up because the story is about to

35:13

continue. It

35:15

is interesting that both times the door opened it

35:17

was during this story specifically. Yeah,

35:19

soccer fans in the house. So

35:22

racing, this team racing club, they

35:25

went from winning to losing.

35:27

And in 1980, the

35:29

coach was like, I've had enough, whether

35:31

this is a dumb superstition or not,

35:34

we need to dig up these freaking black

35:37

cats because it does feel like we're being

35:39

cursed. And if this helps, then great, this

35:41

helps. Why not? And so,

35:43

yeah, totally. That's what they did.

35:47

And during the removal, they

35:49

only found six

35:51

cats because the seventh cat

35:53

was put somewhere else, and they had no

35:55

idea where it was. So

35:57

knowing that the seventh cat was somewhere in the state,

36:00

the club decided to try to reverse the

36:02

curse in other ways. They

36:04

buried frogs on the field in

36:06

a sort of cleansing and rebirth

36:08

ritual, but that didn't work. And

36:11

then in 1983, racing was relegated after yet

36:14

another loss, and this is the first

36:16

time in history that this soccer team was

36:18

demoted out of their division. Wow,

36:20

very like Ted Lasso. Yeah, it feels

36:22

like such a blow. Yeah. Eventually,

36:25

the team did declare for bankruptcy in

36:27

1999. Ted. So

36:30

the bad luck was just like across the board with this

36:32

team. And you may wonder, was

36:34

there even a seventh black cat, or was the

36:36

cruelest part of all of this, that there were

36:39

actually only six cats and the bad luck was

36:41

self-inflicted? Is that a theory? No,

36:44

but that was my question, because it's like, you

36:46

go so long, what if there just

36:48

wasn't one? You know, it's like the senior prank

36:51

when everyone brings like pigs into

36:53

the, they label them like one, two, three,

36:55

four, six. Right,

36:57

to make it think that there's another one

36:59

here, they didn't get. Right.

37:02

Apparently, there was a seventh

37:04

cat. So they were

37:06

being truthful in what happened to create this curse.

37:09

But the process of lifting the black

37:11

cat's jinx was far from easy. A

37:15

procession took place where 15,000 fans

37:17

led by the Virgin of Lujan

37:19

walked from the Plaza de

37:21

Mayo Cathedral to the Presidente Peron Stadium.

37:23

Apologies for butchering all these words. And

37:27

Father Jorge de la Barca, he threw

37:29

holy water onto the pitch. And

37:31

it appeared that he was basically exercising

37:35

this stadium. And like,

37:37

people call it an exorcism. But

37:40

the recent club's president was like, no, no, no, this

37:42

is not an exorcism. This is an

37:44

act of faith. Okay, sure. Call

37:46

it what you want. I think there was a

37:48

bit of an exorcism in the stadium. It's a cleansing.

37:51

And exorcisms are always to

37:53

remove possessions necessarily. It's to cleanse.

37:57

Well, there was some evil in that too. I mean, some bad luck. they

38:00

thought. So perhaps, you know, we don't know. This

38:03

event with the priest, I think, was

38:06

a very big event because I

38:08

did read that there was like a comedian

38:10

and then there was a concert after like

38:12

it was a big, it was a big

38:14

thing. You know what, there's no better way

38:17

to cover up an exorcism than like throw

38:19

a comedy show right after. Right? Yeah, cut

38:21

the tension. Forget everything you guys

38:23

saw here. This was just an act of faith. What

38:25

do you mean? It was just us putting water on

38:27

the ground. You saw nothing else. Now

38:29

laugh, you fools. So

38:34

the racing club president, he was adamant

38:36

that this was nothing more

38:38

than just them trying to bring some good

38:40

energy into the stadium, but it didn't really

38:43

work, at least not right away. During the

38:45

2001 stadium redevelopment, legend

38:47

has it that they did

38:49

finally unearth the seventh skeleton

38:51

of the cursed black cats.

38:54

It was found and it was removed and

38:56

they also the same year hired a coach who

38:59

was very superstitious, a new coach

39:01

for the team. And he would often do these

39:03

rituals for good luck. And sometimes he would

39:05

also do things to like jinx and hex

39:07

other teams. So it was like, he should

39:10

have just only been doing the good. Anyhow,

39:12

you got to do it. You got to

39:14

do, but not as long as someone's getting

39:16

hurt. Hopefully that's fine. I know.

39:19

So people were asking like, were these seven

39:21

black cats bad luck? And

39:23

it's not really certain, but what we can

39:26

say is that once the

39:28

seventh was uncovered, it was in

39:30

that very year that the racing

39:32

club was crowned champion of Argentine

39:34

football after 35 years

39:36

of losing. So who knows?

39:40

Who knows?

39:42

They also got a new coach, you know, like there's

39:44

different things that happen. There's different players, but

39:46

that was a 35 year drought. It is

39:49

this the time may is very fascinating. It

39:51

is one of those things where it's like, you kind of

39:53

brought this up, but like, when you feel

39:56

like there's or if you've been told that there's a

39:58

curse on you. subconsciously start

40:00

to like curse yourself because you fully

40:02

believe it. It's like the placebo effect. Right,

40:04

and there are people who like, will

40:06

say like a curse is passed on through

40:09

family line and this

40:11

is what happens to every single person.

40:13

It's like how much of that is

40:15

real and how much of that is

40:18

just psychologically created?

40:21

Well, never know. It's hard too

40:23

because especially when it's such a

40:25

big group of people like sports

40:27

bands, you can't necessarily just try

40:29

to get to the bottom of the

40:31

psyche of one individual person and then

40:34

feeling cursed. It's an entire group and

40:36

so it kind of creates this group

40:38

delusion or mania or belief, like whatever

40:40

you consider it to be. I

40:43

don't know, but the last curse I'm gonna tell you

40:45

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40:47

would consider the oddest of

40:50

them all. This is the curse of

40:52

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40:54

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40:57

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So, in 1985, a Japanese Kansai-based baseball team, the

42:36

Hanshin Tigers, believed that they

42:38

were cursed by the ghost

42:40

of the KFC founder, Colonel

42:43

Sanders. In, I'm

42:46

so intrigued. In 1985,

42:48

the Hanshin Tigers won the Central League pennant,

42:52

which they hadn't won in 21 years. And

42:55

to celebrate, fans who looked like the

42:57

players, like basically the players' doppelgangers, the

42:59

team members' doppelgangers, they all went down

43:02

to Osaka's Dotonbori River to celebrate. And

43:05

basically, what they would do to celebrate

43:07

is this whole group of people down

43:09

at the river would call out each

43:11

individual person's name, a baseball player's name,

43:14

and their doppelganger, someone who resembled them enough,

43:16

would jump into the river. So they were

43:18

all being represented by someone jumping into the

43:20

river until they had the whole team. But

43:22

there was one player that they really struggled to find

43:25

someone to resemble, and that

43:27

was Randy Bass, who

43:30

was a white American on this

43:32

Japanese baseball team. Randy

43:34

was their star slugger, and he had done

43:36

some great work to basically get them where

43:38

they were. And so they were like, well,

43:40

we- He slugs so good. He's

43:43

a slugging champ. Slugging all day long. And so they're

43:45

like, well, we have to include Randy in the celebration.

43:48

Of course. And then when it came

43:50

to calling out Randy, like they look around and

43:52

there's no one that looks like him and so

43:54

someone has an idea. And they

43:56

run to a nearby KFC, and

43:58

there was a Colonel Sanders. Dot u

44:01

outside. And. They took the

44:03

statue of Colonel Sanders. They. Ran

44:05

to the river and when brand his

44:07

name was called. They. Threw

44:10

the white person or

44:12

statue Colonel Sanders. In

44:14

to the river dressed in a

44:16

Tigers uniform. I love this so much

44:18

because. One, it feels like you

44:20

know that this is your to dish and you

44:23

know that you do this. You. Would

44:25

think that they do the work beforehand

44:27

to figure out who the doppelganger is

44:29

for each player. So that I am

44:31

I have, they might have. It's a

44:33

little blurry about, like when Colonel Sanders

44:35

was plucked. Plucked

44:38

of and then the effort it

44:40

takes to one steal a statue,

44:43

carry it to the river, dress

44:45

it in a uniform, And.

44:48

Then toss it over and I I'm just gonna

44:50

go out on a whim. Hear him say they.

44:52

Probably. Didn't really look that similar.

44:55

Now they did it. But I mean

44:57

girls and you do is a very

44:59

clear. Very. Unique looking man he

45:01

is. I guess he just seems they

45:04

just needed somebody with white. You.

45:07

Know that they were trying to be

45:09

creative. That given that. so I first.

45:11

The celebration didn't seem to have any

45:13

effect on the team in the Tigers

45:16

are playing better than ever, and they

45:18

went on to win that Japan Series,

45:20

but every year after that, the team

45:22

struggled to get many wins at all,

45:24

finding themselves consistently at the bottom of

45:26

the standings. And it's here

45:28

that the urban legend have been cursed

45:30

by Colonel Sanders. ghost was born because

45:32

fan soon associated the drowned statue but

45:35

they're losing streak nand So a said

45:37

that the Hanshin Tigers would not win

45:39

another championship until the statue was for

45:42

covered because they persist off Colonel Sanders

45:44

and they had to make right by

45:46

his ghost. Cerveza is still in the

45:48

water and they had to get it

45:51

out. Yep! As half

45:53

see owners all over, we're

45:55

moving their Colonel Sanders statues

45:58

inside and they are. The

46:00

building them to the ground because they were

46:02

fearful of their property to think so and

46:04

and the bad luck for the tigers just

46:06

wasn't subject to the games either there or

46:08

freak injury. Is there a bad draft? There

46:10

were even. This is so sad there was

46:12

in one of the river celebrations were they

46:14

all went and jumped in. There was a

46:16

sense of drown. In it wasn't

46:18

very clear like how they drowned but live with

46:20

thought that they got you now have hit and

46:22

may be knocked unconscious by someone else in the

46:25

water. Which. Is horrible. That's.

46:27

Really sad or more yeah t that

46:29

there is a so many a horrible

46:31

horrible things happening surrounding this team. And

46:34

there were several attempts to retrieve the

46:37

statue over the years. But. All

46:39

those attempts failed and the curse of

46:41

the Colonel grill eventually. in two thousand

46:43

and nine, the Colonel was saved from

46:46

the river and he was brought to

46:48

a nearby shrine where they cleaned the

46:50

statue and they also had this ceremonial

46:53

cleansing of Colonel Sanders. And. The

46:55

fried chicken curse they thought might

46:57

be broken. But it wasn't It

46:59

wasn't broken until two Thousand Twenty

47:02

Three when the Tigers one game

47:04

seven of the Twenty Twenty three

47:06

Japan Series. Which. Was their first

47:08

N P B championship since Nineteen

47:11

Eighty Five. And once again, the

47:13

fans. Wanted. To celebrate and

47:15

they ran to the river and

47:17

Colonel Sanders once again found himself

47:19

in the river. Know.

47:21

It as you time you guys

47:24

it wasn't a statue it was

47:26

someone cause playing as the total

47:28

on his think in this I

47:30

had so nervous yeah I mean

47:32

granted it's only been one year

47:34

and like baseball season wasn't. A. Fluke.

47:36

Third, it. Or

47:38

August? Maybe Presidents? Garden. But.

47:40

Seemingly him. It's okay.

47:43

so how did it gets? Broken.

47:46

Into a into a three because it's a

47:48

really long time. Here's the thing, they just

47:50

one like this. it's were better. Yeah okay

47:52

is I know in Serbian with like yeah

47:54

it's as soon as he rose from the

47:56

river they start winning against it was many

47:58

years later but it's still. You know,

48:01

they still associate it as like, this is the

48:03

curse, it was all shifted, and then the team

48:05

got to finally be better. So

48:08

to wrap this up, what have

48:10

we learned? In the realm

48:12

of sports, curses often weave themselves

48:14

into the fabric of teams and

48:16

franchises, haunting them with inexplicable misfortunes

48:19

and dashed hopes. So are

48:21

these curses real? Or are they

48:24

a welcomed excuse for poorly performing teams? That

48:27

sounds so mean of me to write. Like, do they

48:29

just suck? Are

48:31

they trying their best, but they're not enough? So

48:34

rude. We have a lot of things to

48:36

back up our belief of this, but we

48:39

were like, did someone curse us? Because

48:41

we were having so many issues. We

48:43

now know it's because we're haunted. But

48:46

for a while, we were like, is all of this that we're

48:49

dealing with a curse? That's true. And

48:51

it wasn't just we were kind of saying it

48:54

on the podcast, like, oh my God, we've been

48:56

cursed. People could maybe take it as a joke.

48:58

But behind the scenes, you and I were very

49:00

much like, what happened? We

49:02

just feel like something was like

49:04

we had an extra invisible obstacle

49:06

that wasn't there before.

49:08

I agree. Sometimes I still think it,

49:11

you know? Yeah, same. We blame

49:13

things on the ghost and on the curse. Just

49:17

like these. Wait, see, we are

49:19

big sports gals. We're just like

49:21

sports. Did you say we're just

49:23

like sports? Yeah. Oh,

49:27

my gosh. JLS, just

49:30

like sports. Well, for those who suffered at

49:32

the hands of Chicago's Billy

49:34

Goat and the Black Cats of Argentina

49:37

and Colonel Sanders in Japan, I'm going

49:39

to guess that they're going to say

49:42

this isn't made up. This isn't just

49:44

a bad year for our teams. These

49:46

curses are real because they feel very,

49:48

very real. And I think the

49:50

only thing we can say with certainty from our

49:53

experience with the podcast is that

49:55

when there are so many energies in

49:57

one place and some of them

49:59

wishing. for luck and fortune and some

50:01

of them wishing harm. Another

50:03

team is bound to fall

50:05

victim of some sort of curse,

50:09

some sort of manifested energy

50:12

soon enough. Which team it

50:14

will be, who will suffer. We'll

50:17

have to wait and see. Hopefully

50:19

it's not us anymore. Well, we're not

50:21

sports. I don't know. I

50:24

worked up a sweat a couple of times

50:26

while recording this podcast. We

50:28

own lacrosse sticks, so we are

50:30

sports. I'm wearing a Yankees jacket,

50:32

so I am sports. No,

50:35

I do really think this is

50:37

fascinating. And these are like such

50:39

fun, odd curses, but

50:41

there's also so many. Like it is

50:43

interesting to me because William, the billy

50:46

goat bar owner, for example, he

50:48

kind of out loud said the

50:50

sentiment of, as long as

50:52

my goat can't enter your stadium, like you're

50:54

going to lose whatever. That's like

50:57

a sentiment that yes, he meant it and he

50:59

was angry, but I

51:01

wouldn't. And I don't know

51:03

him, but maybe I don't think he's like a practicing

51:05

cursor. I don't think he like curses

51:08

people all the time. Is that just like

51:10

a, he specifically has a ton of power

51:12

because I think about how many

51:14

viewers there are and how many fans there

51:16

are. I'll go back to football. Most

51:19

sports though, like sitting on their couch or

51:21

even at the stadium, watching a game, the

51:23

people who are like, I curse

51:25

the other team. I want them to lose. Why

51:27

do those not make as much

51:29

of an impact? Right? I don't know.

51:32

Well, who knows the popularity with like William, the

51:34

billy goat. He had so many people going to

51:36

his tavern. So I wonder if it was more

51:38

of something where like he openly talked about it

51:40

after like, Oh, they wouldn't let my goat in.

51:42

I said, they won't win this. Like, you

51:44

know, had a lot of attitude and was

51:46

sharing his opinions and maybe that sort of

51:49

world had manifested and more and

51:51

more people thought about it. More and more

51:53

people have that nervousness and are projecting that

51:55

energy onto their team who

51:57

they're in the stadium. Like they're in

51:59

the. seats that you play, that

52:02

you do respond to the energy around you. I

52:04

think we felt even on tour, there were certain

52:06

venues, you know, certain groups were

52:08

like, you're more serious or you're

52:10

more silly, like based on kind of the energy

52:13

that you're picking up around you. I guess to

52:16

me then it means that there are so

52:18

many curses put onto sports teams

52:20

that are like constantly being

52:22

combated by love and the support of

52:24

the fans of that team and vice

52:26

versa back and forth that we will

52:29

literally never know about, but

52:31

they exist. It's a balance.

52:33

It's just sometimes that balance becomes

52:35

unequal and maybe curses are created.

52:38

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52:40

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55:26

an. End. It

55:28

is called a ghost turned

55:30

off Superbowl Lights. Howdy? Korean

55:32

Sabrina Thank you for having such an amazing

55:35

podcast! I had no idea there are people

55:37

out there. just has fascinated with paranormal activity

55:39

as I am. Long story short, my mother

55:41

and I have a sixth sense. Which.

55:43

Is a blessing and a curse sometimes.

55:46

But I consider myself blessed because My

55:48

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55:50

time of grief. I have so

55:52

many stories I can tell you but. The.

55:54

one i want to share with you took place

55:56

my freshman year of high school and is one

55:58

that i pray can give comfort to those who may

56:00

need it. February 3rd, 2013 was a

56:02

49ers vs. Raven Super Bowl game. My cousin

56:07

Sergio was a huge Niner fan and

56:09

had hopes of going to a Super Bowl game where

56:11

his beloved Niners were competing in one day. My

56:14

family is sports oriented so we were going to

56:16

throw a huge Super Bowl party because

56:18

Sergio's Niners made it to the Super

56:20

Bowl. Woooo! It was

56:23

11.27pm on February 2nd, 2013, which

56:26

is the night before the game, when suddenly

56:28

I was awoken by the voice of

56:30

my cousin Charlie telling me, Nana wake

56:32

up, wake up, wake up. But

56:34

here's the thing, my cousin Charlie lived

56:37

hundreds of miles away. His

56:39

voice could not be in

56:41

my room in San Antonio, Texas. I

56:44

opened my eyes, sure enough no one was there. But

56:47

as soon as I lay my head back down,

56:49

I heard my dad's phone ring from across

56:51

the room. The phone rang,

56:53

my dad picked it up and

56:55

immediately began to stop. No,

56:58

no. I ran to my parents

57:01

room and I looked at their faces and it was

57:03

sadness and heartbreak. I knew the

57:05

news that I was about to get was horrible. I

57:07

hate that the first thing I asked was who

57:10

died because I definitely wasn't ready to be told

57:12

that my cousin Sergio, Charlie, and my uncle Efren

57:14

were murdered in the family store just 20 minutes

57:16

before the call. I was

57:18

speechless. Oh my God, my entire body just

57:21

covered with chills. That

57:23

is horrific. I was

57:25

speechless because I realized then that it

57:27

was Charlie waking me up after

57:30

he died. Going

57:33

back to bed that night was really hard, yet this

57:35

was the first time I had experienced sleep paralysis. The

57:38

following morning while trying to make lunch, I broke

57:40

down in tears and prayed out loudly next to

57:42

my mother. Sergio, your Niners made it to the

57:44

bowl. Go see your Niners play the Super Bowl and

57:47

do something at the game to let me know you

57:49

are all just fine. Make a crazy

57:51

play happen. Force a Raven field goal

57:53

to not make it or I don't know, turn

57:55

off the stadium lights. Do

57:57

you guys remember what happened during the Niners?

58:00

and Raven Super Bowl game, the stadium

58:02

lights turned off, causing

58:04

a blackout. Oh

58:06

my God. Okay. Because if it were any of the

58:08

other two, I'd be like, well, you know, it's a

58:10

game. It could happen. But the stadium lights going out.

58:13

Yeah. Undoubtedly. Her

58:15

mom was also right next to her. Okay. As soon as I

58:18

saw this on live TV, my mother and I turned to look

58:20

at each other and she and I

58:23

started sobbing, unconcelledly.

58:25

But I felt in that moment

58:27

that my grief was healed, knowing that what I

58:29

prayed for was answered and knowing that my boys

58:31

were okay gave me comfort. Right

58:33

after the funerals, the family gathered at my

58:35

sister's house and my cousins were messing around

58:38

with the iPads and making stupid videos. And

58:40

when they replayed their videos, they swore they

58:42

saw our uncle standing behind my aunt, his

58:44

wife, looking at the family. We

58:47

went frame by frame and you can faintly

58:49

see my uncle's glasses and silhouette behind her.

58:52

The family was brought to tears and rejoice, knowing my

58:54

uncle was looking out for us. I

58:56

firmly believe my cousin Charlie is my guardian angel because

58:58

it is his voice I hear when I need it

59:01

the most from problem solving to

59:03

words of encouragement or even warnings.

59:06

More often than not, I always find the

59:08

combination of letters S E C, Sergio,

59:10

Efren, Charlie everywhere. Keep

59:13

up the great work. Wow.

59:16

What a terrible, terrible thing to happen to so

59:19

many people that you love all at the same

59:21

time. I can't even imagine

59:23

the horror of facing that, but

59:26

to have his voice

59:28

with you so often and to have

59:30

his voice with you immediately after his

59:32

passing and all of those signs

59:35

that like, yes, they're, they're together.

59:37

They're watching the game they wanted to

59:39

watch. I think that that is

59:41

really beautiful and that does feel a bit

59:44

comforting, especially when that it was

59:47

so soon after what

59:49

happened to them. So horrific too.

59:51

Like, yeah. Because my

59:53

first read it, the like Nana wake up

59:55

Nana wake up. I don't know if

59:57

that was like her nickname, but when I first read it, it was like, I

59:59

don't that I thought it was like mother

1:00:02

or you know grandma or something

1:00:04

like that wake up that she was like overhearing

1:00:06

and I was like oh is it

1:00:08

gonna be the grandmother who passed away but it

1:00:10

was I think it was Charlie trying to wake

1:00:13

her up like calling her like Anna but Nana

1:00:15

right but

1:00:18

the stadium lights did you

1:00:20

read the book if I stay nobody think

1:00:22

is there a movie do I see that movie I

1:00:25

think they did make it into a movie yeah yeah

1:00:27

but I think it's like a YA novel if I stay

1:00:29

okay but it's basically like about

1:00:31

a girl whose family gets in a car accident

1:00:33

her whole family or some

1:00:36

of her family passes and then she's

1:00:38

just kind of like wandering in the astral plane

1:00:40

trying to decide if she stays or if

1:00:42

she moves on with the

1:00:44

family members who also passed it's

1:00:47

oh god I cried so much in that book

1:00:49

but it does make me think a little bit

1:00:51

of this situation too that he was like running

1:00:53

to her a bit right after

1:00:56

it happened for help or just to

1:00:58

alert her I've been happening and

1:01:01

kind of like this in between but yeah

1:01:04

the stadium lights is there's

1:01:06

so much power and energy

1:01:08

literally yeah while

1:01:12

he wanted to give his family a sign he

1:01:14

found a way to do it okay I

1:01:16

have another one this is from

1:01:18

our listener Kate it's called encounter

1:01:21

story dead magicians tried to curse

1:01:23

me hi guess this is hi

1:01:26

I love your podcast I listen to it all

1:01:28

day while I work I usually work alone doing

1:01:30

molecular testing all day so when I listen

1:01:32

to YouTube ghouls I feel like I'm just

1:01:34

hanging out with my friends also my lab

1:01:36

is haunted and the ghost I call him

1:01:38

ghosty loves the podcast too so anyway I've

1:01:40

always been sensitive to the other side and

1:01:42

I occasionally saw ghosts as a kid and

1:01:45

I communicated with dead family members and friends

1:01:47

through dreams and I've been very sensitive to

1:01:49

energy a few years ago I was

1:01:51

dead asleep in my bed when I was jolted

1:01:53

awake there was a strong feeling

1:01:55

of terror and dread in my room and I

1:01:57

could sense three entities next to me opened

1:02:00

my eyes but I couldn't focus and it looked

1:02:02

like everything in my room was blurry and kind

1:02:04

of bouncing around. I

1:02:07

then felt something grab my arm and hiss

1:02:09

into my ear. I'm

1:02:11

going to tell you something. You!

1:02:15

No! Don't! I tried to

1:02:17

say no, but only could whimper. And

1:02:19

I could not pull my arm away. Then suddenly

1:02:22

I saw a blue swirl of light and

1:02:24

energy in the corner of my room and

1:02:26

everything stopped. I could see straight again.

1:02:28

I could move and the entities were gone. And

1:02:30

that blue energy in the corner dissipated too. It

1:02:33

was about 11.15 at this point. I

1:02:36

was terrified out of my mind. Also, Kate wrote, I

1:02:38

go to bed early because I have to leave for

1:02:40

work at 6am. I was like, 11.15's not early. Oh

1:02:42

no, that's super late. Like that's when I wake up

1:02:44

to have my first pee in the middle of the

1:02:46

night. Yes.

1:02:49

I was terrified out of my mind and had no clue what

1:02:51

happened. So I turned all the lights

1:02:53

on in my house and I called my best friend,

1:02:55

Sobbing. I was crying so hard that he thought someone

1:02:58

had died. I told him I wasn't sure

1:03:00

what happened to me or if it was even real, but I

1:03:02

was too scared to sleep. I didn't

1:03:04

tell him exactly what happened because he has

1:03:06

anxiety and go scare him. So

1:03:08

he stayed on the phone with me for a

1:03:10

few hours until I was calmer and he went

1:03:12

to bed. I did not sleep at

1:03:15

all. I still felt terrible the next day. I

1:03:17

felt like there was a black cloud hanging over

1:03:19

me and I randomly kept crying. One

1:03:21

of my other friends texted me and I told him

1:03:23

everything that happened. He's sensitive like me

1:03:25

so I thought maybe he might be able to help

1:03:27

me sort out what happened. He

1:03:29

contacted one of his friends who was a psychic to

1:03:32

get her opinion. And she, the

1:03:34

psychic, said that I had been attacked by

1:03:36

three dead magicians who tried to put curses

1:03:38

on my third eye chakra to limit my

1:03:40

oversight of the world and my own life

1:03:42

and to impede my thinking and make me

1:03:45

feel powerless. She said that old

1:03:47

dead magicians sometimes refuse to cross over and

1:03:49

try to take part in life by influencing

1:03:51

someone with a lot of potential by

1:03:53

driving them crazy or making them sick. She

1:03:56

said she removed the curses and gave me a

1:03:58

meditation to make my aura stronger. stronger, and

1:04:00

to protect myself from negative entities. She

1:04:03

said fear had made my aura thin because

1:04:05

I was going through a lot of things

1:04:07

at the time that allowed them to attack

1:04:09

my third eye. Truly it took me months

1:04:11

to recover emotionally and mentally from what happened.

1:04:14

I slept with my lights on for months,

1:04:16

I had to carry protective crystals everywhere, and

1:04:18

did the meditation she prescribed every day. The

1:04:20

attack had unintentionally consequences. It opened me up

1:04:22

even more because my third eye had been

1:04:24

cleansed out. I could now see

1:04:26

and communicate with ghosts and spirits more easily and

1:04:28

was much more sensitive to energy. I

1:04:31

ended up an apprentice to a Reiki master slash medium

1:04:33

who taught me how to use and control my abilities.

1:04:35

I am now a Reiki master and have

1:04:38

the ability to bring through messages from angels

1:04:40

and other people's guardian angels. My

1:04:42

teacher told me she could see Archangel Michael with

1:04:44

me protecting me and helping me through this difficult

1:04:46

time in my life. Blue

1:04:48

is the color of his energy. I

1:04:51

later realized that he had been there that night.

1:04:53

The blue swirl of light in the corner. He

1:04:56

had stopped the attack. Stay spooky ladies,

1:04:58

keep up the great work, Kate. I

1:05:01

have so many thoughts. One, I

1:05:03

feel like the Dead Magician's Club should be

1:05:05

a book. Is

1:05:08

it not? We can try to make

1:05:10

something. To you. Add it to

1:05:12

the scroll. Also

1:05:14

Kate, for Kate to be a target and

1:05:17

for it to truly affect her this much, to

1:05:19

me means that there was so much

1:05:21

potential and so much power within Kate

1:05:23

that was right there. Whether Kate knew

1:05:25

or was about to fully unlock that

1:05:27

felt like a threat to these magicians

1:05:30

or entities or however these

1:05:33

spirit beings are, that

1:05:36

they felt like they had to do something right away

1:05:38

right now to try to diminish, blow

1:05:40

out her life. Or

1:05:42

take it from her. Yeah. Yeah. If

1:05:45

they wanted to take her power. Then who did you...

1:05:47

It was Archangel Michael, you said? Yeah. Who

1:05:50

protected her? It is fascinating to me too.

1:05:52

I feel like so many

1:05:54

times I often associate protection

1:05:57

with loved ones

1:05:59

or like... guardian angels, but it

1:06:02

is so interesting when they are

1:06:04

like biblically known angels that

1:06:07

are said to come through. Did you

1:06:09

know that the reference of

1:06:11

feet in the Bible is

1:06:14

actually penis? What?

1:06:17

Not me wanting to read the Bible for the first time. So

1:06:20

I took a Bible class in high

1:06:22

school and I retained

1:06:25

zero information except for that. Oh

1:06:31

man. Not in every reference,

1:06:33

but I actually looked this up the other day. I

1:06:35

was trying to prove it. Is the Bible a lot

1:06:37

more steamy than I thought it was? Am I going

1:06:40

to have to start reading it? Let's

1:06:42

see. Feet symbolize

1:06:45

in the Old Testament as a euphemism for genitals

1:06:47

and so forth. Well, look

1:06:49

at that. Also I

1:06:51

saw someone the other day that was like,

1:06:53

if Adam didn't eat the apple, if Eve

1:06:56

ate the apple, then why do we call it

1:06:59

an Adam's apple? Like it's

1:07:01

stuck in his throat. Interesting.

1:07:03

I can get on like Bible conspiracies.

1:07:06

I like that stuff. And

1:07:08

this is where we get into trouble. Yeah,

1:07:11

we won't talk about it on the podcast, but I

1:07:13

don't have time to be a Swiftie because I

1:07:15

also am going to be spending my time looking

1:07:17

up all of these things. Did you know this

1:07:19

passage actually means that? Oh wow. Well, I never

1:07:21

even heard of that passage in the first place,

1:07:23

but now I'm intrigued. I think that to

1:07:26

know someone Biblically is to like have had sex

1:07:28

with someone. Oh, it's like an avatar where you

1:07:30

like put your tails together. I'm just going to

1:07:32

start saying like, if I've had sex with someone,

1:07:34

I'm going to say, oh yeah, I know them

1:07:36

Biblically. I've seen their feet. Wow.

1:07:42

Wow. Oh my gosh. Okay. I'm

1:07:45

going to go get some confession

1:07:47

because I've just sinned so

1:07:49

many times and I'm literally

1:07:51

wearing a religious item that

1:07:54

says Godmother. So that's literally exactly

1:07:56

what I was thinking when I went silent. I was

1:07:58

like, we need to do something to repent. Pray

1:08:01

for me. Pray for everyone out there. Let's

1:08:04

all just have good vibes, no

1:08:06

curses. Yeah. But if you've

1:08:09

been cursed or if you've cursed someone, please let

1:08:11

us know. And if you have

1:08:13

like family superstitions, that would be a really

1:08:15

fun episode to do, like superstitions that families

1:08:17

have. Email them to us

1:08:19

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1:08:21

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