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we are your ghostesses, that is Corinne. Hello! And I

1:01

am Sabrina. And

1:04

I know that you're the

1:06

one who's about to have a baby, but I would like to talk about

1:09

babies for one second. Sure, go for it.

1:13

Currently babysitting my goddaughter slash niece,

1:15

Noemi. It's so fun to say

1:17

goddaughter. Instead

1:19

of just niece. God daughter,

1:21

you have power. God mother. God mother.

1:25

There is no better feeling than a

1:28

baby crying when you leave

1:30

the room. Wanting

1:34

you so badly that they miss you when they

1:36

start crying. There's no better feeling. Aw,

1:39

does it happen with your mom? She

1:42

just loves her relatives. Oh

1:44

no, I mean like it only happens with me. Oh.

1:48

Like I leave her with my mom. It's so funny

1:50

because, you know, I feel like everyone will be like, and

1:53

wants like to understand the baby. So we put

1:55

our own narratives into their minds. But

1:58

I know, she wants me. Also,

2:01

I think you have said that you

2:03

are a great babysitter. So

2:05

she's like, I know my needs are going to be met. I

2:07

have all the attention that I need when Sabrina

2:09

is here. And so I will

2:11

cry for Sabrina. She will give me exactly what I

2:14

want. I think I'm so good

2:16

at it because there's so much

2:18

of like my inner child, especially right now. Like

2:20

I've spent so much time working on like my inner child

2:22

that it is so fulfilling, not only to me, but just

2:25

like my child, my inner child to just

2:28

be child. Like I can't even tell you

2:30

the amount of dance moves I've done, the

2:32

amount of like terrible singing I've done, the

2:34

amount of crawling I've done. If

2:37

you need a babysitter, hit me

2:39

up. And it's just like

2:41

you're responding to every single one

2:44

of Noemi's needs, which

2:46

is something that you know, like to heal

2:48

your inner child, you're also in

2:50

a way responding to every one of

2:53

your needs. That's true. Like

2:55

you're giving yourself what you

2:58

want, what baby Sabrina

3:00

wanted. She did, however, pinch

3:02

my nipple so hard yesterday.

3:06

Like gave me a purple nipple and

3:08

it sounded like my nipple was out. Well,

3:10

is she breastfed? She was, but she was

3:12

also just like lifting herself up on me

3:14

and I never wear a bra and she

3:16

grabbed my left nipple, right?

3:18

Like dead spot on on

3:21

the target. Bullseye. Oh

3:23

my God. And pulled herself up by my nipple.

3:26

I've been seeing these funny videos of

3:28

people talking about like watching their children

3:30

kind of like really

3:33

aggressively do things on

3:35

their little pacifiers right

3:37

before they're supposed to start breastfeeding and being

3:39

like, Oh my God, what am

3:41

I in for? That's about to be my

3:43

nipple. Oh

3:46

my gosh. Noemi. She's so cute. She's

3:48

so cute. What a little precious angel.

3:50

Yeah. I'm so glad you flew out to

3:52

help your mom. I'm so glad.

3:54

I'm so glad. Yeah. Yeah.

3:57

Hey, if you lived on the East coast, it would be that much.

4:00

easier to just go whenever.

4:03

I'm telling you, it's becoming closer

4:05

and closer to reality. I'm

4:08

pushing for it. I'm pushing hard, but not

4:12

so hard. I'm not pushing as hard

4:14

as I did in years past because

4:16

you were entertaining the

4:18

conversation always. And

4:20

so my heart did break a little bit

4:22

when I really thought I was like making

4:24

some serious progress. Then you're like,

4:27

well, I'm not actually moving. And I was like,

4:29

oh, so all these

4:31

conversations, all of these, what ifs?

4:34

It was a lie. Well,

4:36

there's a lot of things that have changed in my

4:38

life in the last two years. And

4:40

there's a lot of realizations that I've

4:42

come to. And there's also like, I

4:44

never wanted LA to be up forever.

4:47

And I think I had said that. But

4:50

I felt as if my career was

4:52

so LA based that I didn't have

4:54

the flexibility or the freedom to go

4:56

anywhere else. I

4:58

do have a lot of family and friends out there

5:00

or friends that have become family. But

5:04

now with the podcast and my

5:06

change in perception and desire of

5:08

my writing career, there's

5:11

nothing really keeping me

5:13

in LA. Yeah, you're

5:15

not truly forced to stay in LA. And

5:18

you're not the only friend who has given me

5:20

the false hope of leaving LA to come. We

5:24

had a friend who was literally asking me

5:26

questions about which towns to live

5:28

in in Vermont. And

5:31

I really thought she was going to move. Caitlin

5:34

and Austin were talking about it for like two years. And

5:36

every time I brought it up to any of you, you

5:39

guys were like, what? No, she's never going to do

5:41

that. What the hell is she talking about? But

5:43

she would message me. And she would ask.

5:45

That's very interesting. I don't think she's ever

5:47

said anything like that to me. Actually, she

5:49

has said that they've thought about it because

5:51

the idea of like starting a new somewhere

5:53

and like just like focusing

5:55

on them has been

5:57

appealing. But I think also having family.

6:00

nearby is now that they have little

6:02

baby Conlin. Yeah, well, I think

6:04

that was the conversation before Conlin

6:06

was arriving. It was like, do

6:08

we really want to raise our

6:10

child in LA? And

6:13

that was making them kind of like consider other places.

6:16

And then it was like, oh, but family's in

6:18

LA and family's so important to

6:20

us in raising him. But

6:22

yeah, no, this is exactly the conversation I've had with

6:24

so many people where I'm like, oh yeah, they were

6:27

considering and everyone's like, what? They've never said that to

6:29

me, which is exactly what just happened. But

6:32

it was a convo and my heart was

6:34

waiting. I was like, oh, maybe they just

6:36

need another year, another year, another year. Nope.

6:39

I'm sorry, your heart has been broken. I hope one

6:41

day it is not broken and it

6:43

is given showers of

6:46

love and excitement. And

6:48

I can't promise it will be me that gives it to you. But

6:51

I do want to say

6:54

that, well, actually,

6:56

can I ask if we can tell

6:58

everyone the name of your baby

7:00

because you've decided to name your

7:03

baby after me? Oh,

7:05

I was like, what are you talking about?

7:10

Sabrina has decided that my child's name will be

7:12

Sabrina. Yeah. In

7:15

what setting were we even talking about this? I

7:17

can't remember. It was when we were on

7:19

the phone with John. Oh, yeah.

7:22

And I was like, wow, I can't believe

7:24

I didn't think of this until now. But

7:26

Sabrina sounds like a great name. There's no

7:28

boys male. Her little boy. It's

7:30

so perfect. It's original. Although I have

7:32

no idea what the fuck is on

7:34

my sleeve right now. It

7:37

looks like remnants of a

7:39

glazed doughnut. Did you have a

7:41

glazed doughnut? In recent past.

7:45

But now it's making me not confident that

7:48

I because I hung this sweatshirt back

7:50

up. I thought I'd washed it,

7:52

but maybe not. I think I have

7:54

some of Portland's holy doughnut on here. That

7:56

sounded perverted, but the potato

7:59

doughnuts from. Portland. I want

8:02

people to call my vagina a holy

8:04

donut. I have some of Sabrina's

8:09

holy donut on me. I have

8:11

glaze on my sleeve from the

8:13

holy donut. That

8:15

sounds awful. I

8:17

love it. But the chocolate coconut

8:20

from holy donut, it's the best. Our potato donuts

8:22

from Portland, Maine. Talked about them plenty of times

8:24

on the podcast, obsessed with them. Think about them all

8:26

the time. I was in Portland visiting

8:28

my friend Talia and Taylor. Brian and I

8:30

went up for a night and their dog

8:32

Arlo, who I'm obsessed with. I think about

8:34

him all the time. But then we went

8:37

to the holy donut. They were like, what do you want to do?

8:39

And I was like, the only thing I ever want to do, like

8:41

my only to do is to go

8:43

to the holy donut. I will say I'm really

8:45

glad that I now know what the holy donut

8:47

is and have experienced the holy donut so

8:50

that I can talk about it and not

8:52

just listen to you speak about it. And

8:54

now I can enjoy the moment.

8:57

And my mouth salivates as I think about it

8:59

and get envious of the fact that you

9:01

had it. Actually, well, I love it. You could

9:03

be in on all of the stuff if you

9:05

move here. Like you could experience all the

9:07

things I experienced, because I share them with you

9:10

when you're here. You're

9:13

reminding me so much right now of my

9:15

cousin Lainey, who every summer she comes back

9:17

from Spain and she says I'm moving back

9:19

to America. I'm just going to

9:21

make the move in December when I'm halfway

9:24

through the school year. Then she goes back

9:26

to Madrid. And within one week, she's like,

9:28

yeah, I'm not coming back. And it's every

9:30

year. And every year I've believed her. This

9:33

is she probably married that I have not. She

9:36

means it in the moment. It's just it's

9:38

just where human in our brains change and

9:40

do things differently. And I feel like I

9:42

don't even know what this topic is really

9:44

that you're going to talk to us about

9:47

today. But I feel like this is all

9:49

warming ourselves up for that conversation. Because it's

9:52

also can you tell I'm very

9:54

childlike today? Just

9:56

spinning in your chair. I mean, I

9:58

think if we had spinny chairs to record in. I

10:00

think we've been in them all the time. I

10:02

will say this might be the move. Is

10:04

there like a bird cage or something next

10:06

to you? What's happening? Yes, I did put

10:08

I was going to not address it. I

10:11

just wanted to add something ominous into the

10:15

put no one in there cage child.

10:17

That's actually where my mom keeps me at

10:20

night. Is

10:23

it a dog crate? Is that what it is?

10:25

So my mom fosters and she uses my what

10:27

is or was my brother's room as like the

10:30

kitten room. So it's a cat

10:32

cage. Also, what if we had swivel chairs

10:34

and we could do this? Ready? We did.

10:37

Hello, this is

10:39

two girls. One goes. It

10:43

would work so well for the like three

10:45

people that watch on YouTube. For

10:48

everyone else, they'd be like, it sounds

10:50

like they're inconsistent with their microphones and

10:53

their voices. You know what? It's not

10:55

for you. It's for me. And

10:57

it always has just been for us.

11:00

We're selfish. This is exactly why

11:03

I won't go and listen to previous episodes

11:05

of the podcast, because I'm like, what the

11:07

fuck was I even saying back then? Oh,

11:10

it's been so long, too, that I'm like, I'm

11:12

going to be horrified at the way I covered

11:14

certain topics. So I'll never go

11:16

back. If I ever go

11:18

to grad school to study psychology, which

11:20

is also another thing that I've wanted

11:22

to do because we're human. And there's

11:24

a lot of things in the world.

11:26

We can have matching degrees. Yeah, I

11:28

would love to do a thesis on

11:30

myself and in review

11:33

of myself via the podcast

11:35

and my psychological digression,

11:37

regress, regression, regression, because

11:39

I definitely went through

11:42

a mental breakdown. And honestly,

11:44

I feel like I might be doing one right now. Yeah,

11:46

Sabrina, let me tell you one thing. You'll be

11:49

in good company because that's you

11:51

and pretty much everyone else in a clinical

11:53

psych program. They put you through group counseling.

11:55

Everybody shares their deepest, darkest secrets.

11:58

It's like trauma treatment. It

12:00

is, but you come out with a degree in the end. You

12:04

get a certificate. You get to walk on stage.

12:07

It is funny because I did feel like

12:10

trauma treatment was school. Like, I took notes

12:12

on different types of psychological

12:14

treatments and different

12:17

techniques and things. I was taking notes,

12:19

and yes, I was using it and trying to

12:22

apply it to myself, but I really

12:24

feel like it was kind of like school. And

12:26

I paid a pretty penny. So it

12:29

basically was as expensive. It might have

12:31

been more expensive to be honest than

12:33

a lot of grad school programs. Yeah.

12:36

Okay, well, this is exciting. We'll see what past

12:38

chooses you, Sabrina. And this is a good time

12:40

to say that this episode

12:42

is going to be a little

12:44

bit different from our previous episodes.

12:46

We usually talk about the paranormal.

12:48

We usually talk about ghosts and

12:51

demons and goblins and haunted houses.

12:54

But this time, I thought, you know, let's make this a

12:56

little bit more of a feel good episode. We're

12:59

going to talk about a topic that has been

13:01

coming up in social media quite a bit, and

13:04

it all pertains to love and

13:06

connection and trusting in

13:08

the universe. So we're going a

13:10

little woo woo. I love woo

13:12

woo. Well, so remember, I like wrote this episode and then

13:14

I was like, we actually, maybe I shouldn't tell you this

13:16

episode. Like, maybe I shouldn't read this to you. And

13:18

you're like, I can handle it because I'm

13:21

going through shit. Okay.

13:24

So I reworded some stuff to be

13:26

less harsh and direct so

13:28

that we can live within the fluff

13:32

and just enjoy it. Right now

13:34

in this very moment, I'm in an

13:36

okay place so I can handle it. All

13:38

right. So we're going to talk about

13:41

the invisible string theory, which if there

13:43

are any people out there that

13:45

are Swifties or if they're on TikTok, they

13:47

might recognize that name. But it's

13:49

been making its rounds on the

13:51

internet. It's more of the invisible string theory

13:54

is basically like a theory that the universe

13:56

is stitched together by these unseen threads. And

13:58

basically you're connected. to everyone

14:01

who you'll ever need in

14:03

your life, people who should meet in

14:05

our lives. We have this invisible

14:07

tether to them and whether we need it

14:10

now or in the years, exactly.

14:12

It totally is. And when

14:14

I was reading about it, I did realize that

14:16

to some people it can feel very overwhelming, this

14:19

idea, because it does pull into question a

14:21

bit of like, when you talk

14:23

about fate and you talk about destiny, you're also

14:26

considering, well, do I have free will? Like, do

14:28

I get to choose what people come into my

14:30

life? Like what the fuck is happening? Why

14:33

is everything so predetermined? Predestined

14:35

because if it is, that's scary because it

14:37

feels like then you have no control of

14:39

your life. Totally. But it's

14:41

not, okay, so the invisible strength theory is not

14:43

supposed to be about that. Although like, I feel

14:45

like anything when you talk about stuff like this

14:48

where it does kind of like feel a little

14:50

bit more woo woo, feel a little bit more

14:52

hypothetical and kind of like up in space, you

14:54

can connect it to so many different things. So some

14:56

people feel like that, but it's not supposed to be

14:58

about it. It's supposed to be about the people or

15:01

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15:03

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Most of the conversation is about romantic partners, because

17:04

it's one of those things, you know, like when we're all

17:06

young, we're like, ah, don't you just wish you had an envelope

17:08

delivered to your door when you're like 18, and

17:10

it says what age you'll be when you meet your,

17:13

your soulmate or whatever. And

17:15

so I feel like we, we fall

17:17

back on the invisible

17:19

string theory when talking about lovers. I

17:23

do have a question. How is it, how

17:25

is it appearing in social media? Because as someone

17:27

who's not like up to date with trends and

17:29

stuff, I'm curious how it's

17:31

been in the like social cycle,

17:34

because I, despite my not

17:36

being up to date on things, I

17:38

have seen all the videos about like men

17:40

or women being like, so my partner says that

17:43

they manifested me, which is like weird to think

17:45

about, like did they practical magic

17:47

spell conjure me when they were young?

17:50

Oh, no, it hasn't been that, but that's reminding

17:52

me of my vows to Brian, where I literally

17:54

was like me and my grandma manifested Brian, because

17:57

it was like her wish list. And my wish list

17:59

is literally just. him. So that's amazing.

18:02

No, so there's I mean, there's a few like

18:04

trending sounds or whatever that go with this.

18:06

Most people are talking about how they

18:08

met like their boyfriends, girlfriends, their wives,

18:10

husbands, whatever. But then there's

18:12

another side of the invisible string theory

18:15

on TikTok, where there's this audio that's

18:17

like, well, you don't know me, but

18:19

I know you. And it's

18:22

like a little bit creepy. And

18:24

the invisible string theory has found itself in

18:27

that audio, but it's a

18:29

little bit less about romantic

18:31

partners and more about like weird situations

18:33

like how people found their house, how

18:35

people found their pen. Like

18:38

is their great, great grandma now

18:40

their child? So like, how

18:42

can you talk about this without talking

18:44

about fate and free will and destiny?

18:47

Because you know, it's hard. I mean, we're

18:49

gonna get woo woo. And I know you have a lot to say.

18:51

But like, already my brain is

18:53

going to time and

18:55

how it functions. And when

18:58

like kind of like everything everywhere all at once.

19:01

Different decisions like sprouting off and

19:03

creating different invisible strings, like in

19:06

reality is anyway, totally let

19:08

you continue. Well, that is why it's

19:10

such a weird and kind of scary.

19:12

It's convoluted. But basically, the premise

19:14

of it is the universe is playing matchmaker in

19:16

some sort of way. And it's also playing therapist.

19:19

It's delivering the people that you need

19:21

or the interventions or opportunities that you

19:23

need in that moment at the right

19:26

time and no sooner. So

19:29

in the example of romantic partners, it could

19:31

be something where it's like you cross paths

19:33

for many years, you never speak, you're going

19:35

to the same grocery store, maybe you belong

19:37

to the same yoga studio, you take the

19:39

same vacation, you're sitting on the same airplane,

19:41

you've crossed paths so many times, maybe you

19:43

find out later on when you're looking at

19:46

photos from your childhood that your

19:48

partner was in the background, they were at the

19:50

same park during your fifth birthday, stuff like that

19:52

where it was like, you had so

19:54

many opportunities to meet each other, but

19:56

you didn't because it wasn't the

19:59

right time. for you to meet. I

20:01

feel like that applies also to like friendships

20:03

like you know you and I for example.

20:06

Totally and this doesn't extend to just romantic

20:08

partners like it can be mentors, it can

20:10

be friends, it can be children, pets, objects,

20:12

any type of relationship. And I feel like

20:15

we can all relate to that I mean

20:17

I'll say all as in you and I

20:19

because I've definitely met

20:21

certain people where it feels

20:23

like I've known them for a really long time

20:26

beyond just this life. There's

20:28

one person who you're

20:30

gonna hate this it's from our

20:32

college experience together. Oh do I

20:35

know who it is? Yeah. You're like

20:37

freshman year relationship. Yeah relationship.

20:39

Yeah but it was so wild because immediately

20:41

upon meeting him and granted I'm gonna preface

20:43

this by saying it was like the most

20:46

toxic unhealthy relationship but I only dated him

20:48

for like a month and he cheated on

20:50

me the entire time. But

20:53

oh to be 18 again. Right

20:55

but when I met him it was

20:57

like this weird connection. We were

21:00

literally born in the same exact

21:02

hospital three days apart so

21:04

we were in the hospital together.

21:07

Wait I didn't know

21:09

this. Yeah that's so bizarre because

21:11

I didn't realize that he was born

21:13

in New Jersey because it's he grew

21:15

up in LA. Yeah but he spent

21:17

some time because his birth parents were

21:19

from New Jersey. And then his

21:22

uncle and aunt who he went to live with had

21:24

a home in New Jersey. So like even like in

21:26

the summer between like freshman and sophomore year

21:28

like I saw him. We had a lot

21:31

of crossover. It was really weird. That is

21:33

weird and then it makes me like I'm scratching my

21:35

head now because I'm like well were

21:38

you brought together at the right time?

21:41

I think in the sense that like I

21:43

think we were brought together not not at

21:46

the right time but it was just an

21:48

interesting like serendipity of being brought together despite

21:50

having crossed paths so many times. Yeah and

21:52

it was a really intense relationship that

21:55

didn't serve me long term but I do

21:58

think taught me a lot. Yeah. Well,

22:00

there you go. And also, with the invisible string theory,

22:02

it doesn't mean that someone's going to be in your

22:04

life forever. It could be that they

22:06

just, in a really intense short

22:08

period of time, they serve you

22:11

what you need to learn to grow in

22:13

that moment. Or it could also just be

22:16

that these people or these

22:18

items, these opportunities, they keep finding their

22:20

way back to you over

22:22

and over again until you have the

22:24

opportunity and the confidence to figure out

22:26

what that clarity is that you need

22:29

from that situation. Yeah. Actually, you know

22:31

what? It's wild. I just realized this.

22:33

Well, no, I didn't just realize this,

22:35

but in this moment, I'm really fully

22:38

able to put it into words. That

22:41

relationship actually made me address my

22:43

trauma from high school for the very first time.

22:48

And also, I'll add, weren't you... Because

22:50

I remember you talking about your

22:52

beliefs in marriage

22:55

at that time too. Was

22:57

that the relationship? Yeah, I didn't believe in love. Didn't

22:59

believe in marriage. And I feel like

23:01

that one cracked you a little bit. I

23:07

still didn't believe in love and marriage at that

23:09

point. Okay. Okay. Well,

23:11

he helped in some way. He

23:15

did. He helped me address things that I

23:17

needed to address. Yeah. So

23:19

with the invisible string theory, everyone who has

23:21

touched your life in some way or will

23:24

be there when you need them most is

23:26

connected to you by an

23:28

invisible string. And the theory

23:30

relates back to this Chinese mythology. And really,

23:33

it's like an Eastern Asian mythology because it

23:35

changes a little bit based on geographically

23:37

where you are in East Asia. But

23:40

primarily in the Chinese mythology, there

23:42

is this red thread of fate.

23:46

And red represents happiness and luck. And

23:49

this is basically like the backstory

23:51

is there was this old lunar matchmaker

23:53

who tied two people's ankles together and now

23:55

they were destined to be lovers. And

23:58

then throughout many of the different Asian cultures,

24:00

the backstory changes ever so slightly about

24:02

like how these people met, how they

24:04

believed in their meeting, who

24:06

brought them together, how they're tethered together. But

24:09

a lot of times they are bound by a red

24:12

thread holding their fingers together. So the message

24:14

stays the same. It's like, regardless of what

24:16

you think, if you're told at five years

24:18

old on the playground that this is your

24:20

future wife and you're like, I don't believe

24:23

that you throw a rock at her, she

24:26

had 30 years later, you meet

24:28

your future wife and she has a scar from

24:30

a kid throwing a rock at her on the playground

24:32

when she was five. Interesting.

24:34

Okay. So in the theory, the cord may stretch,

24:37

it may tangle, but it will never break. So

24:39

you might grow up next door to the person you're

24:41

meant to be with, but then live

24:44

in Taiwan for 20 years. And

24:46

that is stretching your thread. And

24:49

then you might randomly move to, I don't know,

24:51

Toronto. And that person also randomly moves

24:53

to Toronto and it's like, you come

24:56

back together. You might cross paths a bunch,

24:58

you might tangle, you might meet and maybe

25:00

it didn't feel like anything at the moment.

25:03

But when it's meant to, you will

25:05

know. It's almost like an elastic band

25:07

in a way. It has this stretch

25:09

that allows you the freedom to move

25:11

about, but eventually you

25:14

have to like the

25:16

elasticity returns and

25:19

you bounce to them and you just snap back and

25:21

then you chest bump and you're like, are we

25:24

in love? Are

25:26

we soulmates? This feels right.

25:30

So Taylor Swift, she does have a song. I feel

25:32

like I've talked about Taylor Swift a lot for not

25:34

being a Swiftie, but she has

25:36

a song that came out a few years ago, 2020 called

25:39

Invisible String. And basically it's talking about,

25:41

I listened to it, I think for

25:43

like the first time this morning and

25:46

there's the lyrics and isn't

25:48

it just so pretty to think all along

25:50

there was some Invisible String tying you to

25:52

me. But the

25:55

lyrics are, it's not quite as dead

25:57

on as the Invisible String theory because

25:59

in her lyrics. She'll be like, I used

26:01

to sit at this one park and

26:03

the park's grass was green. And

26:05

your favorite sweater that you wore when

26:08

you were 16 was also green. And

26:10

it's like, okay, well, that's a stretch.

26:13

That's a stretch. And maybe she

26:15

meant it to be kind of, I don't know,

26:17

I didn't dive into the Swifty lore or the

26:19

meaning behind her songs or who it was written

26:21

about. But whoever

26:24

or whatever is meant to be in your life

26:26

is always going to find a way back to

26:28

you when it's needed. And the

26:31

most important thing about the invisible strength theory from

26:33

what I read was when the

26:35

moment is right, when you're meeting the right

26:37

person, whether it be a favorite teacher, a

26:40

best friend, a mentor or

26:42

a significant other, it will not feel

26:45

hard. It will not feel

26:47

forced. It will not leave you

26:49

drained or disappointed. It won't leave you confused

26:51

and questioning. Well, is this person

26:53

supposed to be in my life? But if the timing is

26:55

just off, you will feel so intensely

26:57

in your soul that it is the right

26:59

place at the right time, the right

27:01

person. And if you feel

27:04

that it's not, then it's not meant to

27:06

be. And you just are supposed to let

27:08

that like friendship, that connection pass through you.

27:10

See, that's the thing that I struggle with

27:12

the most in my life is as

27:14

someone who has dealt

27:16

with, I think this is something

27:19

like all humans can relate to whether or not

27:21

you've been through trauma, the ability

27:23

to trust your own instincts

27:26

and decipher your feelings

27:28

versus your logic versus

27:30

like, yes. And

27:33

that is what I struggle with.

27:35

I know that I can spiral

27:37

and overthink something to fucking death.

27:40

Yeah, I feel like I have

27:42

experienced that too. But on the flip side,

27:44

I can be so spontaneous.

27:48

You're like, if I decide something like there's so

27:50

many examples of it where it's like if I

27:53

decide that I'm moving to Massachusetts, I'm fucking moving

27:55

to Massachusetts, like, I'll think on something

27:57

for two days. And If it feels right, that's

27:59

it. And even if it takes me a or

28:01

to get there are like I'm still doing it to.

28:03

I do that when it's things that. Don't

28:06

impact anyone else. Like dye my hair

28:08

pink. Just. Do it. It whip

28:10

yeah within a week by his empire. Or

28:12

involve someone else. I will. Because.

28:15

I'm a P by reserve and

28:17

know that to a toxic degree.

28:20

But. Yeah, and there is. I

28:22

feel like. I mean I will do

28:24

this before that when I was in no way

28:26

I was helped so much as a person to

28:28

grow and make decisions and kind of like trust

28:31

my instincts in a moved to Massachusetts because I

28:33

didn't like I was when I lived in Los

28:35

Angeles. it in length addresses. That are

28:37

making the people that I was. Bringing.

28:40

Into my life around. Me and exit. We might. See

28:42

the full Yeah, I mean it's

28:44

funnier friends with I I'm really

28:47

talking about when dating? yeah and

28:49

and I was just a lot

28:51

of like I went from having

28:53

like generally a pretty. Healthy

28:55

example of a relationship with my

28:57

parents and them talking to me

29:00

growing up about like what a

29:02

good romantic partner would look like.

29:04

To. Throwing all of that out the door in

29:06

California and be like will. I'm healthy and

29:08

I'm healed and all six ios and I

29:11

like and just totally damage myself so much

29:13

and would talk myself out. A man's be

29:15

like I have to be the person sees

29:17

because I can't hurt them and I have

29:19

this show them that like they can be

29:21

loved and they will Facts and it was

29:23

a so so horrible and so when I

29:25

moved Massachusetts I was. I spent so much

29:28

time. thinking. About liquid who I

29:30

wanted to be as a partner, what sort

29:32

of bad traits I'd picked up, or things

29:34

I didn't like about the way that I

29:37

acted in relationships. And. I basically

29:39

a lot. I was so cutthroat with myself

29:41

I would allow myself like one slip up

29:43

and then if I did that I would

29:45

like to sit in it. For. Like

29:47

weeks and think about it and be

29:50

like never again. And. I wouldn't. I

29:52

wouldn't do it again, but it was very. Cuts are

29:54

like my I Teach. At

29:56

Throw It Out Years. Because I may, I won't. I

29:59

won't let. myself slip into the

30:03

waffling that I experienced so much

30:05

of when I was in California.

30:08

But I can only do that when I

30:10

like ripped myself away from all other influences.

30:12

Yeah, and that's not easy. You have to like,

30:15

you kind of put yourself into

30:17

an uncomfortable position. But then

30:20

you have no distraction or ability to

30:22

like, evade those feelings and

30:24

those thoughts and those desires. And

30:26

also, just this is a note to anyone who's

30:28

listening. And I think it's

30:30

so much easier for me to like,

30:33

impart this to others than it is

30:35

for me to enact or apply into my

30:37

own life. But it is not

30:39

your job to fix anyone else. It

30:42

is your job to focus on yourself. And

30:45

a good partner should be able

30:47

to prioritize themselves and you,

30:50

they should be able to do both

30:52

and they should not be sucking and

30:54

draining the energy from you. No,

30:56

I'm like remembering the time in college that

30:59

someone walked up to me and said, Are

31:01

you okay? And I was like, Yeah, I'm fine.

31:03

And they're like, You look dead. And it

31:05

was that like a really peak horrible time in a

31:07

relationship that I had. Because I was getting

31:09

drained. I was like, I looked gray, like I

31:11

was dying. Vampires

31:13

are real. They just sit around and sink their teeth into

31:15

you. That's so true. Which

31:18

is so tough when it's like talking about the

31:20

invisible string through you're supposed to trust in the

31:22

universe and go with the flow and everything

31:24

like the right thing will happen at the right

31:26

time. But it's like, okay, you don't

31:28

just sit and get taken down this like

31:31

lazy river of life though, like you still

31:33

have to make the choices. And

31:35

the choices are presented in front of you. And you're

31:38

supposed to like trust your gut and go with it

31:40

and then kind of thank the universe for forgiving

31:43

that opportunity to you. But

31:45

at the same time, it's like, well, you're still

31:47

the one making the choices, which is the art. Yeah,

31:49

you have to be an active participant as well. Yeah. Unfortunately,

31:52

you can't take over

31:54

my life Corinne and just Sims manage

31:57

me because that would be ideal. I

31:59

know. It. Is

32:01

that if Jesus take the wheel, it's current.

32:04

Take the wheel. And. I feel

32:06

like I do a decent job

32:08

only because. You and I

32:10

have. I've known you for so long and

32:12

you told me so many times what you

32:14

want and I think that I'd I could.

32:17

Help you I know and I would love

32:19

for you to, but that's only because I've

32:21

also been. In. Situations where

32:24

I. Probably needed someone to control

32:26

me. And unfortunately that's not how life

32:28

works and easy to go see me on our

32:30

own. And but you don't? You mean, you know,

32:32

You know what you need to know. Is.

32:37

He heard that that was me hitting my head

32:39

with a microphone. You

32:42

want me to control your because you don't want to make

32:44

the truth that you know you need to make. And.

32:46

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Tom. Oh, man. Okay,

34:58

but part of the invisible string

35:01

theory is that you're

35:03

not supposed to dismiss the things or the

35:05

people that present themselves,

35:08

and it kind of feels like it

35:10

fell into your lap too. So when things do feel

35:12

really easy, I think sometimes I'm

35:14

totally this personality where I can be like,

35:16

well, maybe I should ignore that because that

35:18

seems like it came too easy to me

35:21

and I didn't work really hard to get

35:23

that and I didn't kill myself over this

35:25

and so I don't deserve this. And

35:27

that's not the way you're supposed

35:29

to think about this, like when you're delivered

35:32

these things. It's also tough because it's like,

35:34

this isn't a way or an excuse to

35:36

say, don't work hard at things, don't like

35:39

push yourself to an extreme to get the

35:41

things that you want and need because like

35:43

you even said, Corinne, you went through a

35:46

lot of trials and tribulations and hard times

35:48

and then there were moments where things came

35:50

to you more easily, but you

35:52

had to go through all that hard stuff in order

35:54

for something to come to you more easily. Yeah,

35:57

it's hard to be like, yeah, and I was trusting

35:59

in the universe. Let I was so in

36:01

my head. Yeah. I mean, I was shutting

36:03

that. Eventually I get there. But. It wasn't like

36:05

oh yeah, sit back, relax into a all

36:07

these the horrible day he'd certain. Harsh.

36:10

Truths about yourself that you hate and are

36:12

going to work on changing with your little

36:14

manifestation and Spirituality walks everyday. Now.

36:16

So and. It wasn't

36:18

easy and growth isn't center. And.

36:21

Were also only thirty. So there's gonna

36:23

be so much more of toughness when

36:25

we think of our lives and mean

36:27

of longevity of i'll have some flee

36:29

we have a long life. There.

36:32

Are going to be a lot more trials and tribulations be

36:34

go through. The. Ah and people change

36:36

and grow so much and even if I

36:38

think about what, what, who we were when

36:40

we first started the podcast. So

36:43

different. Seven even a couple years?

36:45

Guess so different. So. This

36:47

is like always something that happens, not like

36:49

the universe is just like here's your path.

36:51

Here's your job. Here's your best friend. Here's

36:53

your partner. Life is beautiful and rebels. I

36:56

wish he was masks as a suspect. That

36:58

is it. either. You're gonna live in a

37:00

shock, you're gonna have one hundred and seven

37:02

kids, but you're gonna drive a Ferrari and

37:04

your husband self hotdogs. The. Classic

37:07

where it matters is gearing jokes and

37:10

his name is Nick Jonas that hotdog

37:12

money gets the Ferrari. And

37:16

better. At me be his name is

37:18

Drake after all that suffered sister

37:21

surfaced about his hot about his

37:23

hot dog down people line up

37:25

A.dogs dance I miss a that

37:27

had like Sam might scare me.

37:29

I. Didn't lox it's intimidating. I don't

37:31

need to know. I think people described

37:33

the enough that I supervisors you'll either

37:36

are you can in our dogs. Yeah.

37:38

Listen in on get it. On C N

37:40

one you can the. Incision with

37:43

the rest would well sometimes. Sometimes.

37:46

Which is not true of the China.

37:49

This is so different. So.

37:51

Many different shapes and sizes

37:53

will penises also to are

37:55

all and discoveries within the

37:57

folds. They're all. They're all

37:59

very same. You know? I love as I've

38:01

gotten older and we've talked about this before,

38:03

but. The American Girl doll but I feel like

38:06

made you think. Everything about your body with

38:08

and crashed because it was all by like. A

38:10

didn't talk about the did they first

38:12

city of the China's. Or. Boobs

38:15

or nipple hair. And. As

38:17

I've gotten older that something that I wonder

38:19

said but I didn't know that growing up

38:21

right the the first time I've figured out

38:23

that it was so different was literally in

38:26

college it my Human Sexuality class. When.

38:28

They had us look at the sculpture

38:30

that was. This. Artist took

38:32

more of like sixty women's different

38:34

like levy as Facebook the outside.

38:37

And. Just made this like beautiful mural

38:39

out of it was like concrete hours

38:42

situation. But. I was like, why in

38:44

the world there's of wine out of all of

38:46

these that I'm like, oh yeah, that's what I

38:48

thought that they all looked like. And

38:51

then I went to a superb so I could see.

38:54

In real life is it? Is

38:57

a scientific experiment? Fitness and

38:59

how did we get here?

39:02

And because we're talking about

39:04

the universe. Last we got

39:07

here from Hot dogs in

39:09

Seoul Mass. that my god

39:11

food. But you know what if

39:14

we believe in him String theory. We needed to

39:16

have this conversation. In order to get back. It

39:18

off he it's exactly without That's how would we

39:20

ever move forward. we couldn't citizens or thought would

39:23

be in our mind and it would be sabotaging

39:25

us in the next where it's we would say

39:27

would be exactly what he to brush. Life

39:29

would be altered so drastically had we not

39:31

talked about the variety of hot. It all.

39:34

And Libya's. Law. For all those

39:36

hot dog and Libya lovers out, there

39:38

is something good about the invisible string

39:40

Theory. I think a lot of it

39:42

is good but it does say so

39:44

if you're someone like what we've talked

39:46

about were like we've had moments in

39:48

our past and and are present where

39:50

we start to us waffle and say

39:52

like is this the right decision are

39:54

making their choices. This feels impossible because

39:56

of I make this race I'd these

39:58

consequences such race These concerts. And

40:01

it feels really overwhelming him from

40:03

what I saw and read about

40:05

this theory. If. You are

40:07

rejecting the paths that you're meant to

40:09

take in the clear signs of the

40:11

universe. For the universe. consider those clear

40:13

to you. It does not mean that

40:15

you're missing them. The universal

40:17

adjust the timing will come back

40:19

around. people who you're meant have

40:21

connections with. Of. Find their way

40:23

back to each other, And. When

40:25

you know you know it'll feel

40:28

powerful the most of all it

40:30

will seal. Very spooky. So

40:32

I wanted to get into some of

40:34

the moment. so people have shared online

40:36

moments that seem. Just. A

40:38

little bit too unlikely to be coincidence.

40:41

So. People are saying well they

40:43

must be these and physical strength or we've

40:45

even read some a listener story as a

40:47

one specific was I remember where. A.

40:50

Woman had a dream of a woman she

40:52

had never seen before. And in

40:54

like she was telling her something

40:56

and. Then she met her partner

40:58

face on like something that happened in that

41:01

dream and when she was that the partner

41:03

she's off photo of his deceased mother any

41:05

with the woman from her dream ha guys

41:07

see those things give me chills and an

41:09

animal that's a crossover with it's like. Okay,

41:12

Invisible string theory about destiny and the

41:14

strings connecting you. But I'm off a

41:16

little. What is the role of spirit

41:19

intervention like? What is it? Was his

41:21

mother, grandmother, whoever was. Trying

41:23

to bring them together like what is

41:25

pre determined by the universes i quote

41:28

unquote strings and what is it just

41:30

are apt ones and spirits trying to

41:32

kind of like play matchmaker a little

41:34

bit. But. Can't both exists at the same

41:36

time where it's like this string exists and our

41:39

relatives on the other side. Or like you keep

41:41

missing the signs like you're saying that sometimes he

41:43

missed the science in the universe. Bring them back

41:45

and the level and is like you know I'm

41:47

not going away. I'm is gonna give a little

41:49

bit about tap tap on the booty savvy in

41:51

the right Jackson. Yeah. This. Is making

41:53

me think of to remember the episode in the Get

41:56

Place where. They're trying desperately to

41:58

has. Td. and and

42:00

Kristen Bell's character meet

42:02

and fall in love, I think in the real

42:04

world. But they can't,

42:06

they're constantly like, just is

42:09

not working. Bumping into each other but ignoring each

42:11

other immediately. There's no way. Whoa,

42:13

I'm flooded with emotion and feeling like

42:15

we're destined to be together. Right,

42:18

oh I love that show, that was such a

42:20

good show. Me too. Okay, so

42:22

here's some examples that I saw people

42:24

share online about themselves. So

42:26

there's this couple, Chloe and Marcus, they

42:28

are now married. They're a Bumble success

42:30

story, so an online dating success story.

42:33

And while the two met

42:35

on the dating app and then got married

42:37

two years later, they just did

42:39

not realize at the time how

42:41

connected their lives were until it

42:44

started to unfold in conversations over time

42:46

and exposed how many times their

42:48

paths had crossed before. Wow. For

42:51

example, both Chloe and Marcus separately

42:53

took vacations to Los Angeles. When

42:56

they were on vacation in Los Angeles, they

42:59

bought tickets and attended the same magic show.

43:01

You're like, okay, well there's a bunch of shows, you know, like

43:03

maybe people have this, they have both had an interest in going

43:06

and seeing a magic show. Sure. After

43:08

the magic show, they walked the strip, all

43:10

right, people do that. But then they

43:12

stopped in front of the same fountain, which I'm

43:15

gonna assume is the Bellagio fountain, and

43:17

then they took pictures of themselves. So

43:19

not only did these two strangers have

43:21

the exact same vacation itinerary, but

43:24

what's extra spooky is they

43:26

were literally on vacation at

43:28

the exact same time, were sitting

43:31

in the exact same magic show, walked

43:33

the strip as strangers

43:36

at the exact same time, and then both

43:38

on opposite sides of this fountain had someone

43:40

take a picture of them at the same

43:42

time. Did they see each other in the

43:44

photo? No. I think it was

43:46

only after when they had like looked back at photos and

43:48

were talking about the trip that they realized exactly

43:51

when it happened. But this was not

43:53

the first time that they had a

43:55

close encounter, a missed meet-cute. Marcus also

43:57

lived on the same road as Chloe's

43:59

best friend, growing up and her brother took

44:01

karate at the same studio where Marcus talks. I think

44:03

there was like a six year age

44:05

difference or something like that. Okay. They

44:07

also attended many of the same political

44:09

protests. And so for decades, these two,

44:11

they were like just circling each other's

44:13

lives coming so close together, but never

44:15

actually meeting. And then when it

44:18

was finally time for them to meet,

44:20

they did through dating up online. And

44:23

then they fell in love. That is so

44:25

cool. I know, isn't it? And the

44:27

timing was perfect. And

44:30

Chloe had said that they're basically she was

44:32

like the timing could not have been more

44:34

perfect because if they had met at any

44:36

of the other opportunities that they had these

44:38

like meet cutes, they wouldn't have worked

44:41

out because there were other factors that

44:43

would have prevented them from feeling this

44:45

connection to each other or like exploring

44:47

a relationship because they'd both been in

44:49

different relationships in the past. Also, there

44:52

was an age difference. Like for example,

44:54

when Chloe's best friend's brother was

44:56

taking karate lessons where Marcus taught

44:58

like Marcus was an adult. Chloe was

45:00

like 15. That would have

45:03

never happened. So it was good that

45:05

it didn't happen then. We're glad.

45:07

Yes. And Chloe had

45:11

said, quote, when we did meet, we were

45:13

both in the right place in our lives.

45:15

And we'd done the work required to be

45:17

in a good state of mind to be

45:19

in a successful relationship. So whether

45:21

that's fate or it's a happy coincidence,

45:23

I'm very into it. So

45:25

we don't have that idea to where it's like

45:28

two people can be in such different places in

45:30

their lives. Like, I mean, let's think of Chloe

45:32

as a 15 year old and him as like

45:34

a 22 year old, like their emotional intelligence, their

45:36

life experience, everything's gonna be so different. And

45:39

until they kind of like match that sort of

45:41

like same experience and vibration

45:43

and desire, they're not brought

45:45

together because it wouldn't

45:48

work until they both are right,

45:51

complementary levels, which has also been

45:53

like another offshoot of the

45:55

invisible string theory where it's like each

45:58

person that you meet is helping

46:00

you deal with and experience

46:03

life so you can learn XYZ lesson

46:05

so that when you meet the right

46:07

person, you are in a place where

46:10

you can nurture and experience

46:12

that relationship in the

46:14

way that you're meant to. Totally. Totally.

46:17

Which it does, it's so hard to get

46:20

through researching this and also just like talking

46:22

about it because it just, there's so much

46:24

reflection I think involved in this. Yeah.

46:27

And then you start to think about all the moments and all

46:29

the people that helped you in your

46:31

life and changed your perspective on things.

46:34

Even the bad things, you know? Yeah. Which

46:37

is very hard to sometimes come

46:39

to terms with, but there

46:41

are a lot of things that I've experienced

46:44

in my life that I wish didn't happen

46:46

and I would prefer no one ever experience,

46:49

but it has also formed

46:51

who I am as a person. And

46:53

ultimately, despite all my ups and downs, I

46:56

do love myself and I love who I

46:58

am and I don't think I would be

47:00

me without all of my experiences. Right. And

47:03

it's also hard thinking back to the bad things that

47:05

have happened too because certain relationships

47:07

are certain people. You can feel such

47:09

anger and resentment towards people and some

47:11

people rightly deserve it. But

47:14

at other times, I thought about myself

47:16

and how I've represented myself to other

47:18

people and I'm like, man, people probably

47:20

have thought that I was like this

47:22

evil witch in the past. And

47:24

it's like you never know what sort of

47:27

death of self-moment someone else is going through

47:29

and why they're behaving a certain way. And it

47:31

is... Yeah. The

47:34

theory does promote a lot of

47:36

compassion and forgiveness. I agree. And

47:38

I think that's the most important thing in life is empathy. You

47:41

never know what other people are going through. Totally.

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some of the romantic Invisible

49:55

string examples is

49:57

this girl named Savannah. She shared online

50:00

that when she was eight years old,

50:02

she randomly started calling herself Savannah Park,

50:04

which that was not her last name.

50:07

But she just had to call herself Savannah

50:09

Park. And years later, she meets

50:11

her boyfriend, who she's been with for a

50:13

long time now. And his last

50:15

name is Park. And

50:17

three years into their relationship, they figured

50:20

out that he was playing in a

50:23

he would play these little league

50:25

football games that Savannah's family would attend. She

50:27

must have had like a brother or someone

50:29

who also played these games. But

50:31

she did not call herself Savannah Park because she

50:33

saw him and was like, what about the boy

50:35

on the other team is so cute. She was

50:37

just like simply there and picking up on some

50:39

energy in the air and gave herself the

50:41

nickname Savannah Park. Did you ever give yourself

50:44

a nickname that has like come back to

50:46

your life? No. Oh,

50:48

I don't think so. Have you? No. Well, Charlie

50:50

is the name that like I like

50:53

I love that name for a girl so much.

50:55

And when I write characters, not all of

50:57

them, of course, because I can't name everyone

50:59

the same character. But when

51:01

I need all my all my fish and

51:04

hermit crabs, Alexa Vega, everyone gets

51:06

to be Alexa Vega. But

51:08

it hasn't come back in my life necessarily.

51:10

I mean, my brother's girlfriend is Charlotte, but I

51:12

don't think she's ever been called Charlie. Maybe you'll have

51:14

a daughter and you'll name her Charlie. Maybe. Okay,

51:16

you saying that I guess there is an example.

51:19

And it was the name Athena. Like growing up,

51:21

I always said I was going to name my

51:23

child Athena. And then I

51:25

was 16. And I've been saying

51:27

that for like years and years. And my

51:29

parents were like, you're not Greek. Like your

51:31

name your child Athena. But

51:34

then when I was 16, I went to Santa Cruz,

51:36

California to a mystical metaphysical shop

51:38

that no longer exists. And

51:41

had a past life and tarot

51:43

card reading. And the woman kept her

51:45

eyes closed the entire time I told you about this. And

51:47

me and my friend Olivia had gone together. And it

51:50

was just like so spot on for both of

51:52

us. And she had said towards the end of

51:54

the readings that I had a spirit guide named

51:56

Athena. And I was like, that is so weird.

51:59

Because that's out of all the names

52:01

out of all the names. Yeah, wild. Also,

52:04

just to clarify, I know that I've had a moment

52:06

to think about it, I definitely will not name my

52:09

child Charlie because Charlie is my drunk

52:11

alter ego and I don't think I

52:13

could impart that. Yeah, you have said

52:15

that on to a child. Yeah, you

52:17

have too many, too many

52:20

memories associated with that name. But when

52:22

you look at the purity and

52:24

loveliness of a wee

52:27

baby, you're like, man, you're

52:29

better off never experiencing some of these things. Yeah,

52:32

better off never meeting Charlie, to be

52:34

honest. Actually, Charlie's fun. Charlie's

52:37

a great time. Charlie

52:39

climbs trees and lights things

52:42

on fire. That's June. Oh, shit.

52:44

I can't keep track of folks, Sabrina.

52:49

There's many versions of me. Oh, that's

52:51

June. Okay, June is June

52:53

wears only black clothing. June's a Halloween character. If

52:55

you haven't heard of June, go back to the

52:58

early days of the podcast. It's

53:00

something that was conjured up within me

53:02

or something that possessed me. I think

53:05

it was a junior year of college. Yeah, I

53:07

don't. Yeah, I have to remember. It's all a

53:10

blur. Honestly, I don't remember a few years of

53:12

college because I had a drinking problem. It's

53:16

true. Well, I laughed

53:18

because I was uncomfortable because I didn't know

53:20

how to address it. Yes. I

53:22

also agree and think that I had a

53:24

similar problem. So we all were no

53:27

one could help each other

53:29

with their drinking problems or like intervene

53:32

because we all had them. And it

53:34

wasn't like a normal. Oh,

53:36

funny, everyone's getting drunk at a college party.

53:38

Like it was bad. No,

53:40

I don't think the way that we drink most

53:42

people in society drink in college is

53:45

healthy at all. No, I mean, it still affects

53:47

me today. This is why I don't really drink

53:49

anymore. Because I yeah, I

53:51

think that's a great part of your

53:53

journey. And I'm really proud of you for acknowledging that.

53:56

Thanks. I'm only allowed

53:58

one sip of alcohol. were like six months.

54:03

Okay, one of my favorite stories that was

54:05

shared online was just one line it was

54:07

like in the comment section of another video.

54:09

And this woman named Claudia said quote, my

54:12

husband and I both remember being at a pedestrian

54:14

crossing one day and just staring at each other

54:17

for a good 10 seconds, a

54:19

few years before we met. So it's

54:21

like they both knew there was something

54:23

with the other person but not right

54:25

now. I've heard

54:27

a lot of stories like that where people

54:29

work in the same building and like see

54:31

each other in the elevator and like make

54:33

such intense eye contact. And

54:37

when they finally do communicate

54:39

or acknowledge one another's existence, they

54:41

both will say like, the first time I saw you

54:43

in the elevator, I like had

54:45

this insane intense connection to you and I just

54:48

didn't know what to do with it. It

54:50

was just so beautiful that people experience that

54:52

without saying anything like you can truly connect

54:54

to someone's soul by looking at their eyes.

54:57

You just know. Yeah, it's kind of like

54:59

with friends or people to like there's certain

55:01

people where you're just like, it's so easy

55:03

and it feels easy immediately and it does

55:05

feel like you've known each other for a

55:07

long time. Yeah. So a couple more examples

55:09

in the romantic field and then we'll move

55:12

on. But I saw one person

55:14

has said that she carried around a $2 bill

55:16

in her pocket for good luck. And when

55:18

she met her partner, he also had been carrying around

55:20

a $2 bill for good luck.

55:23

And they realized that each of their

55:25

$2 bills had the other person's

55:27

initial on it. And

55:30

then even spookier, there was another example of

55:32

someone who carried around this like, I think

55:34

it was just like a $1 bill

55:36

or something like that in his

55:38

wallet, but like the corner of it had

55:40

a tear like it had been torn. And

55:43

then when he met his girlfriend

55:45

in the future, she also had

55:47

the missing piece. She just like

55:50

randomly picked up like a torn piece

55:52

of a dollar bill off of the

55:54

ground and for some reason kept it.

55:58

That's so weird to me, isn't it? I

56:00

can tell thinking about it. But and then also like

56:02

these are such like clear

56:04

examples, but to anyone

56:06

who's out there and listening and it's like, well,

56:09

I didn't have this with my partner, you don't

56:11

need to have all of these little connections. These

56:14

are like extreme examples that help back

56:16

up this theory, but you

56:19

don't need to have the other half

56:21

of their dollar bill or, you know, in

56:23

order for you to be each other's person.

56:26

Absolutely. And I think

56:28

things can come, like you can discover

56:30

things. Maybe you don't know that you

56:33

had a moment like this for

56:35

40 years either, right? You know,

56:37

like things can unfold, things can show

56:40

themselves and the invisible string theory doesn't mean

56:42

that every single person who's important to you

56:44

in your life has to be connected to

56:46

you by a string. It's

56:48

just, there are certain people who

56:50

are predestined to

56:53

come into your life to help you with certain things. And

56:56

I'm like fully woo-woo on this conversation

56:58

and I really do believe in the

57:01

power of people who

57:03

come into your life, but there

57:05

is this weird psychological aspect of

57:07

this where is this

57:09

the human condition where we so desperately

57:12

need there to be purpose that

57:14

we make these connections? And

57:17

that's not to say that they don't exist, but is

57:19

this just the way that we need to process experiences

57:22

in order to make sense of them? Or

57:25

when something happens that just seems so

57:28

statistically low, we

57:30

have to assign some sort of spiritual,

57:33

I guess like meaning to

57:35

them because it just feels too weird

57:37

to have experience otherwise. And

57:39

then it's also really hard and this will be the only

57:42

like downer of a thing that I

57:44

say, but kind of

57:46

similar to like some of the experiences I went

57:48

through which I would never wish upon anyone when

57:50

really, really horrendous things happen to

57:52

anyone in the world, like a

57:55

loss of a loved one. Like I'm

57:57

thinking specifically like deaths and those types

57:59

of tragedies. it does make

58:02

you question like, well, why

58:04

would that happen to

58:06

me? And so that is hard to

58:08

sometimes process. But that's the

58:10

only sad thing I will say. And we

58:12

can go return to love because that's much

58:14

more pleasant. But I mean, maybe that person

58:16

that you loved so much in your life

58:18

that did pass like they were in your

58:20

life so that you could have that connection

58:22

and that feeling with them prior. I know.

58:24

Death is a horrible subject.

58:27

And yet it's one that finds its

58:29

way into every episode that we have

58:32

because ghost stories. You

58:34

have no ghosts. You have no

58:36

ghosts. All right, well, let's move on

58:38

to some examples that have nothing to do with

58:40

romance and everything to do with just

58:43

weird connections in the universe. Okay.

58:46

A man named Yarian, he had this little

58:49

denim jacket as a baby. He grew up

58:51

in Tennessee. And I think he had

58:53

just one brother that was older. But one

58:55

of the outfits that his mom had purchased

58:57

for him as a baby was this little

58:59

denim jacket. And she wrote on the tag

59:01

she wrote Yarian, you know, on the little

59:04

like Levi tag or whatever it was, you know,

59:06

to identify if they lost it or if they

59:09

brought somewhere like that's Yarian's jacket. Yeah. And he

59:11

was really small when he was wearing this too.

59:13

So it was probably I would

59:15

assume he only fit in that thing for like maximum

59:17

six months. At some

59:19

point, as is

59:22

what happens to a lot of

59:24

people's childhood belongings, the jacket gets

59:26

donated. 24 years later, he

59:29

is in Wasilla, Alaska. And his

59:31

wife is thrifting baby clothes. So

59:33

he wore this jacket when he

59:35

was a baby in Tennessee. They're

59:38

now in Alaska. She's looking for

59:40

items for their first son. And

59:42

she finds this little denim jacket and

59:45

inside is a very faded Yarian

59:47

written on the tag. And

59:49

she freaks out and she's so excited to show

59:51

him. And when she showed him that

59:53

you realize like, yes, this is Yarian's

59:56

jacket, which is so weird. Already

59:58

so weird. What's weirder is

1:00:00

Yarian found a photo of him wearing

1:00:02

the jacket, like sitting next to his

1:00:05

brother, and in this photo he's

1:00:07

just a wee baby wearing the denim jacket and he

1:00:09

has this little knit cap on. And

1:00:11

literally a few days before his

1:00:13

wife found this jacket at the thrift

1:00:15

store in Alaska, his

1:00:17

mom, so her mother-in-law, in

1:00:20

anticipation of their first baby,

1:00:22

gave her this very same

1:00:24

knit cap as a gift

1:00:27

that he was wearing in this photo. So the

1:00:29

entire outfit was collected within a couple days. The

1:00:33

jacket itself is weird enough, but then the knit

1:00:36

cap is even weirder, especially with

1:00:38

how fashion evolves and changes,

1:00:40

and yes, it gets recycled absolutely,

1:00:42

but it's too specific.

1:00:45

It's too specific, and it's so weird. It's like the whole

1:00:47

outfit found its way back to him to welcome

1:00:51

his first son, which

1:00:54

also makes me think. We keep

1:00:56

talking about the universe and the paths and

1:00:58

the stars and the strings, but who

1:01:01

bought this outfit? Was it his mom or

1:01:03

was this the grandmother or something whose costume

1:01:05

is like, well, I want that outfit that

1:01:08

I got Yarian. I want to give it

1:01:10

to his son. What's

1:01:13

the line between it truly

1:01:15

being the invisible string theory

1:01:18

and spirit intervention? Right.

1:01:21

But how different are those two things? Exactly.

1:01:25

You know, this reminds me and I was just trying to

1:01:27

look for the email and I couldn't find it, but they

1:01:30

came on to our campfire stories and told us the story

1:01:32

and I'm so blanking on their name and I'm really, really

1:01:34

sorry. But one of our listeners

1:01:36

had had a transplant and

1:01:39

was able to have get information

1:01:42

from the about the donor from

1:01:44

the family, all this stuff, and

1:01:46

was like thrifting and found a

1:01:48

jacket with their name of

1:01:51

the name of the donor. Do you remember that?

1:01:53

I remember the name, too. Was it like Charlie

1:01:55

or something? Like now I'm thinking it's Charlie. I

1:01:57

thought it was like Brie or something, but I

1:01:59

can't. I couldn't find it. I just searched

1:02:01

Transplant in our inbox. Was it a

1:02:03

lung transplant? Was it cystic fibrosis? My

1:02:05

memory's not gonna help us get there,

1:02:07

I don't think. Oh, was

1:02:10

it Tabor? It was Tabor! It

1:02:12

was Tabor. And I think we've read their story. If

1:02:16

not, then we should read it ASAP. Should

1:02:19

I read it right now? Sure. Okay, this

1:02:21

is from our listener, Tabor, and

1:02:23

it's called My Gardening Angel. Tabor shared

1:02:25

this with us on the Campfire Stories, which

1:02:28

I believe is one of the episodes that's

1:02:30

on our feed. I just don't know which one. I

1:02:33

wanted to tell you about my happy encounter with my Gardening

1:02:35

Angel, Brittany. Okay, so Bree. Brittany. So a

1:02:38

little background on me. I

1:02:40

am a 22-year-old double lung transplant patient.

1:02:42

Good job, Corinne. We

1:02:44

both had bits and pieces. We got the

1:02:46

email because our memories are. We got small

1:02:48

sections of that email. See? We

1:02:51

share the brain cell. I

1:02:53

received my transplant on February 21, 2019. I

1:02:56

was born with a lung disease called cystic fibrosis,

1:02:59

which attacks multiple parts of your body, but

1:03:01

primarily fills your lungs with a thick mucus that makes

1:03:03

it hard to breathe. Long story short,

1:03:05

my lung function got down to 11%, which

1:03:08

necessitated a transplant. Around

1:03:10

October or November is when I started communicating

1:03:12

with my donor family and started learning about

1:03:14

my donor. Her name is Brittany.

1:03:17

She was a mom of two great boys, a

1:03:19

wonderful wife and a daughter. Since

1:03:21

learning about her, she's constantly on my

1:03:23

mind, and I believe she's constantly showing

1:03:25

herself to me. One particular instance that

1:03:27

is the most incredible is when I

1:03:29

was at a thrift store shopping around,

1:03:32

as one does in any thrift store, and

1:03:34

I didn't find anything good. I slowly

1:03:37

started to make my way to the front when I got a feeling

1:03:39

that I had to go look at the jacket rack. I'm

1:03:41

from North Carolina, and a hoodie or jacket is

1:03:43

always good to have on hand. As

1:03:46

I'm looking through the clothes, I see a

1:03:48

varsity jacket peeking out. It was a black

1:03:50

and yellow color combination and thought, I should

1:03:52

just look at it. When I grabbed it,

1:03:55

I noticed the name on it, Brittany, in the

1:03:57

exact spelling as she spelled her name. I've had

1:03:59

some supernatural experiences happened to me before, but

1:04:01

this felt the most surreal. I grabbed

1:04:03

it, took it to the counter where I

1:04:05

explained to the cashier its importance, and he

1:04:07

was shocked. I immediately wore it home, which

1:04:10

when getting things from a thrift shop isn't

1:04:12

always the best idea, but

1:04:14

I've been in love with it ever since. I

1:04:16

sent a picture of me wearing it to my

1:04:18

donor dad, that's what I called Brittany's dad, and

1:04:21

he loved it. I'm in North

1:04:23

Carolina and they're from Grafton, West Virginia, but

1:04:25

I'm so excited to meet them. I just

1:04:27

started your podcast from the beginning and I

1:04:29

love it. I hope you can hear this

1:04:31

on an episode once I catch up. Thanks,

1:04:33

Taper. I mean, this is just so incredible.

1:04:35

It's so beautiful. And it also feels like

1:04:37

not only did Taper

1:04:39

get another chance to live

1:04:41

life a little more comfortably

1:04:43

with the gift of her lungs,

1:04:46

but it's almost like she's

1:04:48

acknowledging that she is happy that it

1:04:50

went to him too by sending this

1:04:52

sign. And it sounds like this

1:04:54

isn't the only time that Brittany also makes

1:04:57

herself known to Taper. I just love that

1:04:59

now Taper has a jacket so

1:05:01

that on the outside, Taper can

1:05:03

wear something that is also

1:05:06

of Brittany, because on the inside,

1:05:08

Taper already has

1:05:10

Brittany. Yes. And it does make

1:05:12

me wonder, because again, it does happen to people where

1:05:14

they get tissue or

1:05:16

other organs or something transplanted,

1:05:19

and there's different emotions and feelings

1:05:21

or moments of recognition

1:05:23

of strangers that doesn't make sense

1:05:26

for them in their lives, but

1:05:28

would for the person who donated

1:05:30

to them. Yeah. Beautiful. Man.

1:05:35

All right. A few more examples. We

1:05:37

have an example shared from a

1:05:39

woman named Amy. She purchased a house

1:05:41

in 2022, and we all

1:05:44

know how house hunting can be very

1:05:46

tough, very stressful. So she

1:05:48

found this house, was super proud of it,

1:05:50

super excited, felt right. Later on,

1:05:52

she's looking through old family photos, and

1:05:54

she finds a photo of her grandfather

1:05:56

as a baby. Like he's like probably

1:05:58

three years old. when he

1:06:00

is standing on the lawn in

1:06:03

front of this house. No.

1:06:07

Yes. Ah! That's

1:06:10

wild. So crazy. And then

1:06:12

the last example I'll give you is one that

1:06:14

I picked out specifically for you Sabrina, because

1:06:17

of course it pertains to our pets, the

1:06:19

invisible string theory does. That's right, I was

1:06:21

like where is this going?

1:06:23

Cats. That's where it's going. A

1:06:25

man named Ace, he spoke about

1:06:27

how his invisible string connection was

1:06:30

to his cat, whose name is Blitz. Ace

1:06:33

said that out of the blue he got this really

1:06:35

strong urge to go visit his childhood home, which he

1:06:38

grew up in this apartment, and I don't think he'd

1:06:40

been back to that complex in a really long time,

1:06:42

and he just, it wasn't like he was reminiscing on

1:06:44

anything, and I was like, oh maybe I should go

1:06:46

see. It was just out of the blue, a sudden

1:06:49

like, you should go see the apartment

1:06:51

where you grew up. And so

1:06:54

he didn't really know why he needed to go,

1:06:56

but he was like, all right, I guess I'll

1:06:58

respond to this overwhelming draw and drive over there.

1:07:01

So he went, and when he

1:07:03

got there, he kind of like walked around, walked out behind

1:07:05

the apartment, and he said he was just

1:07:07

so overwhelmed with the memories, and

1:07:10

he just felt this like deep connection to his

1:07:12

past, and it was like flooding all of his senses

1:07:14

all at once, and he sits in

1:07:16

it for a moment, takes it all in, and

1:07:18

then he leaves. Two weeks later, he

1:07:21

gets another similar feeling. He'd already

1:07:23

been thinking like, oh, you know, maybe it's time

1:07:25

that I go to the animal shelter and consider

1:07:28

adopting an animal, but there's this

1:07:30

feeling, this urge that hits him, and this

1:07:32

urge is you need to go to the

1:07:35

animal shelter now. Like there's no time better than

1:07:37

the present to go get a cat. And

1:07:40

so he goes to the shelter, and he's talking

1:07:42

to the woman who's running the shelter that day,

1:07:44

and he's like, yeah, I think I'm interested in a cat, and

1:07:47

she's talking about some of the cats, and she's like, oh, but

1:07:49

let me tell you about the most recent cat we just brought

1:07:51

in. They're chatting about him, and

1:07:54

Ace realizes that this cat was

1:07:57

found and taken in behind

1:07:59

him. his old apartment. And

1:08:02

this cat was found like literally taken from

1:08:04

the exact spot where Ace used to play

1:08:06

and where he'd been flooded with all these

1:08:08

memories just two weeks before. And

1:08:11

that's how the universe brought Ace and Blitz together.

1:08:13

Which makes me wonder, was the cat, was

1:08:15

there almost a moment where they

1:08:17

connected in the backyard of that place? Or?

1:08:22

Yeah, I don't know. So interesting. But

1:08:24

the fact that also because I feel

1:08:26

like it's rare when you're adopting a

1:08:28

pet for them to know the exact

1:08:30

specifics of where they were found in

1:08:32

their whole story. I mean,

1:08:34

especially with strays, you know? Right. But

1:08:37

the fact that they were able to relay

1:08:39

this information so specifically about this cat, I

1:08:42

mean, I think that's beautiful. I

1:08:44

know. It is. And it's

1:08:46

almost like, yeah, was the cat picking up

1:08:48

on all of these? Like, did the cat

1:08:51

choose Ace? Or was the universe just trying to

1:08:53

be like, okay, well, I know if you come

1:08:56

here and see a cat, you're not just going to pick it

1:08:58

up. So that's not how I bring you together. But I have

1:09:00

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1:09:02

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1:09:05

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1:10:22

And it's like, that's the thing with the Invisible

1:10:24

Strength Theory. It's so many of these things. People

1:10:26

are like, could this just be a wild coincidence?

1:10:29

Because it just feels too coincidental to

1:10:32

happen otherwise. Or is it just, is

1:10:35

it just a crazy coincidence? I

1:10:39

guess we'll never really know

1:10:41

until we are on the other

1:10:43

side and we accept

1:10:45

our roles as head of council

1:10:48

on the board of

1:10:50

questions and answers. The

1:10:54

one thing we could never do in our life,

1:10:56

suddenly we're being assigned as the head of in

1:10:59

our national space. Yeah. And

1:11:01

our only job is to absorb

1:11:04

all the answers. Research for so

1:11:06

long. Yeah.

1:11:08

Okay, so you said that Invisible Strength Theory,

1:11:11

you do feel like there was a bit of

1:11:14

that that happened with the freshman year person. Do

1:11:17

you think there's been anything else? I

1:11:19

feel that with a lot of people in my life, like, if

1:11:22

not everyone, and I do fully

1:11:24

believe that people are brought into

1:11:26

your life for specific reasons, and

1:11:28

you meet them at certain times to

1:11:30

teach you certain lessons. And

1:11:32

I do think there is a

1:11:35

bit of danger in that too, where it's

1:11:37

like, and again, it's like trusting your instincts

1:11:39

in your gut. It's like, you might meet

1:11:41

someone, but it might be a temptation,

1:11:44

an alert, like a luring thing that actually

1:11:47

isn't part of your Invisible Strength Theory. And

1:11:49

it's not supposed to be part of your

1:11:51

life, but feelings and

1:11:54

logic get mixed up. Yeah, it does.

1:11:57

Well, that's why I think like one of the things with

1:11:59

the Invisible Strength theories that it keeps saying like

1:12:01

it's supposed to feel easy, there's not supposed to

1:12:03

be any resistance it's supposed to be. But then

1:12:05

that that only really pertains to like a romantic

1:12:08

partner who's good for you because then there's also

1:12:10

people who come into your life to help

1:12:13

challenge you to grow. It's

1:12:16

so hard. It is hard. I was

1:12:19

thinking about it though when I was

1:12:21

doing this research and I feel like

1:12:23

I have maybe two-ish examples but

1:12:26

it's hard because it's like proximity plays

1:12:28

a part of it. But

1:12:30

my eighth grade boyfriend, Sumner, shout out Sumner,

1:12:34

he and I dated for like four months and honestly I

1:12:36

think I felt Sumner was like

1:12:38

one of my most serious relationships. He

1:12:41

was so nice. His family was so great. Everything was

1:12:44

awesome. And then we broke

1:12:47

up when his really good friend and

1:12:49

my friend because of dating Sumner, Sam, had passed

1:12:52

away. We were in eighth

1:12:54

grade. It was terribly difficult and

1:12:56

emotional. But we had

1:12:58

discovered once we started dating and

1:13:00

also we met each other snowboarding

1:13:03

and we didn't go to the same school. We weren't like

1:13:05

in the same school district and we didn't have any mutual

1:13:07

friends. We just like randomly met on the mountain and

1:13:10

then we realized that when we were like seven

1:13:13

we had been on the same

1:13:15

swim team and there

1:13:17

were photos of us in our

1:13:19

swim caps. So I

1:13:21

had that and then I guess I was thinking about

1:13:23

it with Brian because Brian and I have discussed that

1:13:26

there were like a lot of moments where it was like

1:13:28

weird that we think we probably

1:13:30

saw each other out in the world before. I'm

1:13:33

sure like a good example of it is that

1:13:36

we both lived in the same town outside

1:13:38

of Boston. Like when I first moved to

1:13:40

Boston, I didn't actually move to Boston. I

1:13:42

moved near Boston because it was

1:13:44

more affordable. And I

1:13:47

would dog walk. I would pick up this

1:13:49

dog that lived right behind Brian where Brian

1:13:51

was renting. And so I would walk

1:13:53

by Brian's place all the time. I probably saw him. But

1:13:55

if we had ever met then that was not the time

1:13:57

to ever meet because he was in a very serious relationship

1:13:59

at the time. and I was working

1:14:01

on myself. Right.

1:14:04

So, and there were like, there's

1:14:06

some other examples of that too, but it's kind of like one of

1:14:08

those things where it's like, does proximity play a

1:14:10

role in this? Because you know, Sumner and

1:14:12

I, we weren't in the same school district,

1:14:14

but we were, our houses were

1:14:16

a 30 minute drive apart. You know, Brian

1:14:18

and I were in the same town and ended up living

1:14:20

in the same city. Right. Is it

1:14:23

just the space and the

1:14:25

chances of running into someone? Or is

1:14:27

it something more? Well, also I think,

1:14:29

I mean, again, I have not spent

1:14:32

a ton of time studying or researching

1:14:34

invisible string theory, but at

1:14:36

least my comprehension of it is that

1:14:38

it doesn't necessarily mean you've crossed paths

1:14:41

in the past. It just means

1:14:43

that you will and are meant to meet that

1:14:45

person and have some

1:14:47

type of connection, not necessarily from

1:14:49

the past, but it could be current and

1:14:51

that like the experiences you've gone through

1:14:53

in life have brought you together so that

1:14:55

you can learn something from one another or

1:14:58

even just like, whether

1:15:00

it's lifelong or temporary, that

1:15:02

you can impart something about

1:15:04

what you've experienced in life to

1:15:07

that person. Yeah. Which

1:15:10

like, again, this is why it does feel kind of

1:15:12

woo woo because it's like trust in the universe and

1:15:14

everyone who's meant to be in your life will

1:15:16

be, but then it's so convoluted because

1:15:18

it's like, well, how do you pick apart

1:15:21

these sort of things when they're not so

1:15:23

blatantly obvious? Right. Like,

1:15:25

you know, Ace and his cat Blitz, stuff

1:15:27

like that. Right. And

1:15:30

I also ask because I spent a lot

1:15:32

of time asking my spirit

1:15:34

guys, my guardians for signs to

1:15:36

like acknowledge if I'm going

1:15:39

in the right direction and they

1:15:41

don't always give it to me or maybe I'm not

1:15:43

seeing it and maybe I'm not ready to see it.

1:15:45

I don't know, but it is really

1:15:47

hard. And then this conversation becomes really cyclical

1:15:49

because it's like, well, is it

1:15:51

meant to be or is this the way that

1:15:53

I'm processing my experience as a human

1:15:55

because it's really hard otherwise? I

1:15:57

don't know. I guess if we don't know. think

1:16:00

about the invisible string theory, the thing that can make

1:16:02

making these choices a little bit less scary is that

1:16:04

it does say if it's meant to be, it will

1:16:06

come back to you even if you skip it, even

1:16:08

if you step on it, even if you try

1:16:11

to burn it to the ground, it will find its way back to

1:16:13

you. If it's meant to be. If

1:16:15

it's meant to be. It does take a

1:16:17

little bit of that like risk in

1:16:19

decision making away if you believe

1:16:22

it. Right. Like you can make a

1:16:24

decision now and you could change

1:16:26

your mind or the universe will

1:16:29

put it back in your in your

1:16:31

path in order for you to make a

1:16:33

different decision the next time. And these are

1:16:35

things that I'm trying to get to. And

1:16:39

you will soon. But the invisible

1:16:41

string theory, although it's being talked about more recently

1:16:43

in social media and it's like, you know, a

1:16:45

Taylor Swift lyric, it has been

1:16:48

around for a while and it kind of has

1:16:50

cloaked itself within other names. So in

1:16:52

science, it can be referred to as

1:16:54

cosmic string theory, which is a concept

1:16:56

in theoretical physics that proposes one

1:16:59

dimensional microscopic strings that branch out

1:17:01

through the entire universe. And they

1:17:03

were all formed at the time

1:17:05

of the Big Bang. And

1:17:07

if we relate it to two people,

1:17:09

it's basically like these two strings influence

1:17:11

each other. Their vibrations are connected. They

1:17:14

transcend physical space and manifest

1:17:16

in various ways between those two people. Like it

1:17:18

almost makes me think of twins, like when people

1:17:20

are twins, right? Talks a lot about like people

1:17:23

having the same dream, people having synchronous thoughts

1:17:26

or just like sudden urges and feelings to

1:17:28

do the exact same thing at the exact

1:17:30

same time. It's very inexplicable, but it aligns

1:17:32

with the other person that's connected

1:17:34

to them very perfectly, which is an

1:17:37

example that we see a lot in

1:17:39

identical twins. It is very much like

1:17:41

the universal consciousness too, if you believe

1:17:44

in that, in that. It's like we

1:17:46

are all connected. Therefore, yes, that

1:17:49

is why we have empathy and those

1:17:51

feelings is because we truly

1:17:53

are made of one another.

1:17:56

We're all just stardust. We

1:17:58

are stardust. You know what? basically

1:18:00

just proved is that we just

1:18:02

did an entire episode about physics

1:18:06

and theoretical physics.

1:18:10

We talked about everything but nothing at the

1:18:12

same time. It's theoretical. It's

1:18:15

theoretical. We're great at theoretical

1:18:17

physics. We're great at talking,

1:18:20

taking up space, taking up airtime.

1:18:23

This also relates to the law of attraction,

1:18:26

which makes me think of remember Oprah say your book

1:18:28

The Secret and everyone was so obsessed with The Secret

1:18:30

and it was all about manifesting in law of attraction

1:18:32

and all of that. Basically,

1:18:35

it's kind of the same thing where

1:18:37

there's a lot of crossover within the

1:18:40

visible string theory and the law of

1:18:42

attraction, this vibrational attraction, where your thoughts,

1:18:44

your emotions, your energetic state will match

1:18:46

with someone who's like-minded romantically

1:18:48

or as a friend, a mentor, acquaintance,

1:18:50

a pet in

1:18:53

the time in your life when they're most meant

1:18:55

to be there and help you through a very

1:18:57

specific period of growth. Basically, it's manifesting. And

1:19:00

then pertaining to mental health and

1:19:02

well-being, the idea of the invisible

1:19:04

string theory has proved to be

1:19:06

beneficial in emotional healing and self-work.

1:19:08

It's something that is brought up

1:19:10

in the field of psychology because

1:19:12

it can be really helpful to

1:19:14

people. It can help us look

1:19:16

at our relationships and our future

1:19:18

with a new lens. It can

1:19:20

empower us to navigate challenges with

1:19:22

a renewed strength and it can

1:19:24

also help us. This is a

1:19:27

note for me. Relax a little bit and

1:19:29

go with the flow. Trust your gut. Trust

1:19:31

that the right paths are set out in

1:19:33

front of you and you will find them

1:19:36

no matter how long it takes you to

1:19:38

find them. When these are paths

1:19:40

to happiness and support, you will feel that.

1:19:42

You can have compassion for others. You can

1:19:44

understand a bit more how intricate

1:19:47

relationships in the human experience can be

1:19:49

when kind of thinking about the

1:19:51

invisible string theory. And maybe you

1:19:53

can spend some time meditating and manifesting.

1:19:56

That's something that is encouraged by a

1:19:58

lot of therapists out there. You

1:20:00

can envision what your life is like, what your

1:20:02

partner or your future friends are like, and then

1:20:04

try to enjoy the journey as much as you

1:20:06

can, even though it will be hard to

1:20:09

get there. It's a blessing and the

1:20:11

curse of human life. It is. But

1:20:14

to wrap up this different

1:20:16

topic from what we normally talk about, the

1:20:19

invisible string theory. The invisible

1:20:21

string theory can be quite beautiful, and

1:20:23

at times very mystical and

1:20:25

spooky. But just now,

1:20:27

we all do have connections out there, whether

1:20:30

we believe in the invisible string theory or

1:20:32

not, and whether we've met those

1:20:34

connections yet or not. And you

1:20:36

are important to those people, even if

1:20:39

you don't know them yet, and they will

1:20:41

be important to you. You have a

1:20:43

purpose, you belong here, and you get

1:20:45

to experience the invisible string theory, whether

1:20:47

you've realized it or not, because your

1:20:49

connections, they're waiting for you, and

1:20:51

you'll feel it. Just so you all

1:20:53

know, you're all caught up in our

1:20:55

strings. You're tied up, and you can't

1:20:57

get out. I'm gonna throw you in

1:20:59

this cage and stick you in there

1:21:01

forever. You have no choice. You are stuck in

1:21:03

our webs. I

1:21:06

think the paranormal world, we keep talking about

1:21:08

it as like our community as a triangle,

1:21:10

like a pyramid scheme. I do feel

1:21:12

like it is kind of a web. We're all just kind of stuck

1:21:14

in it. We're just

1:21:16

here. We're just here. Yeah, we're

1:21:18

all just here. And it's

1:21:21

interesting. And we're learning things. I mean,

1:21:23

I think our perspectives on things are

1:21:26

going to be so different. Like, I

1:21:28

think we've already changed so much in terms of

1:21:30

our perspective on the paranormal 100% have. Yeah.

1:21:33

And I mean, even think about like, we

1:21:36

are a paranormal podcast, we are not a true crime podcast.

1:21:38

But I do think sometimes about

1:21:40

like, how different the way we

1:21:42

spoke about true crime is to

1:21:45

now know 100% like when podcasting first

1:21:47

started, when like all the documentaries with

1:21:50

victims and victim blaming and you know,

1:21:52

like, yeah, there's a lot of

1:21:54

stuff we evolved. Yeah, we did. It was

1:21:57

kind of horrifying to look back, but it was like that was

1:21:59

our entertainment. And now I can't even imagine seeing some

1:22:01

of those things that were never

1:22:03

said and done. And that's why that's

1:22:05

why I love their attorney so much from

1:22:07

Voice for Justice, because she does a lot of work for

1:22:10

she's great at helping people who are

1:22:13

families of victims, tell

1:22:15

their stories and even Tiffany

1:22:18

Reese from Something Was Wrong. Again, given given

1:22:20

the voice to the people who've experienced

1:22:22

it themselves. Yeah, I agree.

1:22:25

I think that's the hard thing with true

1:22:27

crime sometimes is that the victims can't speak for

1:22:29

themselves. Yeah, not always. So

1:22:32

I do love that there has been

1:22:34

a shift in that narrative. But we're all growing, we're

1:22:36

all learning. And let's just

1:22:39

take a breath, make our shoulders fall a little bit

1:22:42

and just try to enjoy today and just

1:22:44

get stuck in the web. OK,

1:22:46

I have a listener story from

1:22:48

our listener, Macy, and

1:22:50

it is called Haunted by My

1:22:53

Soulmate, The Woman of My

1:22:55

Literal Dreams. I like this already.

1:22:57

Ghostesses, this is a little bit of

1:22:59

a combo of like soulmate, but

1:23:02

also sexy. OK. We're

1:23:05

getting sexy for this episode. Well,

1:23:07

a lot of this was the invisible string. It was

1:23:09

all meant to be. It all goes

1:23:11

back to the ghost. In

1:23:15

fairness, a lot of this episode did talk about

1:23:18

romantic partners because that's what people kind of

1:23:20

like default to when they're talking about invisible

1:23:23

string theory. OK. Ghostesses, you asked

1:23:25

to hear sexy ghost stories and I am

1:23:27

going to deliver. But first, I need to

1:23:29

give a bit of backstory and

1:23:31

also disclaimer. This story is 18

1:23:33

and up and begins after

1:23:35

I am an adult as well. So

1:23:38

I grew up a lesbian in the 90s and 2000s in Texas. It

1:23:41

was confusing and a traumatic time. But

1:23:44

I finally figured it out and came to terms with it as

1:23:46

a senior in high school. There was

1:23:48

a girl in my government class that I

1:23:50

kind of dated, but I would call it

1:23:52

more friends exploring shit than a true relationship,

1:23:54

even if it was very gal pals vibes.

1:23:56

After she moved away during winter break, I

1:23:59

met Lauren. though it was less of

1:24:01

a meeting and more of her coming to me. Besides

1:24:03

all of the hauntings I experienced growing up,

1:24:06

I also have unusual dreaming habits. I'll

1:24:08

remember previous dreams in a dream that I have

1:24:11

no memory of when awake, and

1:24:13

I've been confused when I wake up

1:24:15

sleeping on multiple occasions, and my dreams

1:24:17

can be so realistic that I can

1:24:19

feel small details like bumps on a

1:24:21

basketball or individual blades of grass. Wow.

1:24:23

So Lauren, before I even

1:24:26

met her, showed up first

1:24:28

in a dream where I was

1:24:30

at an amusement park. I don't

1:24:32

remember the exact details of first seeing her, but

1:24:34

we spent the rest of the dream together. As

1:24:37

the weeks continued, Lauren showed up from time to

1:24:39

time in my dreams, and it

1:24:41

wasn't long before I really wanted her to show up

1:24:43

more and more. I wanted to see

1:24:45

her. She told me about herself

1:24:47

and her life, and I could give you her whole

1:24:49

story, but a few months

1:24:51

into these dreams, which was already

1:24:53

flirty at the time, she came

1:24:55

into my room and we started making out, which

1:24:58

led to us taking off our clothes, and

1:25:00

holy shit did she know what she

1:25:02

was doing. Remember what I said about

1:25:04

feeling the fine details? Well, I

1:25:07

felt everything, and I orgasmed so hard

1:25:09

that I literally woke up. In

1:25:12

the astral plane? That is... But

1:25:14

not in the astral plane. This is okay,

1:25:16

because when Macy woke up, I

1:25:18

was in the same position I had been in

1:25:20

in my dream, and my clothes were no longer

1:25:22

on my body. I

1:25:25

freaked out. Was she some kind

1:25:27

of succubus coming to steal my

1:25:29

soul? What the hell was that? A

1:25:32

few days later, I'm driving home

1:25:34

from school, and I hear a voice,

1:25:36

and it's Lauren's voice, I recognize it

1:25:38

from my dreams, say, I'm

1:25:41

sorry, from the passenger seat. I

1:25:44

turned, and there was no one there, but

1:25:46

somehow I knew Lauren was sitting there. I

1:25:48

told her I forgive her, and we went back to

1:25:50

the way things were, except we

1:25:52

start spending time outside of the dream world,

1:25:55

and I feel her, her presence and her

1:25:57

soul and her spirit around me. Lauren is...

1:26:00

Lauren and I agreed and we disagreed. We had

1:26:02

good times and bad ones like any relationship. She

1:26:05

had her own opinions on my

1:26:07

friends, family, teachers, professors, movies, shows,

1:26:10

literally anything and everything. Lauren

1:26:13

also appeared to have her own life. She didn't

1:26:15

follow me to places like class or work, and

1:26:17

her presence would be notably absent. But

1:26:20

when I would get to my own apartment, she

1:26:22

would leave and come back independently according

1:26:24

to her schedule, which was somewhat regular

1:26:27

like any living person's." What

1:26:29

in the world? This is blowing my

1:26:31

mind. Back to the fun stuff. Freshman

1:26:34

year of college is when we started having

1:26:37

sex, when I was conscious as well. I

1:26:39

would feel her there and if you were being

1:26:41

a bit of a voyeur, it would look like

1:26:44

I'm hovering a little off my bed, pleasuring nothing

1:26:46

or pleasuring myself with the power of my mind.

1:26:49

This is a hands-free, like, Macy is

1:26:51

not touching themselves. That's

1:26:53

a, yeah. Lauren even

1:26:55

taught me several moves that others

1:26:57

have appreciated in my life. Wow.

1:27:01

Our relationship lasted until I was a

1:27:03

junior in college and I met my first girlfriend

1:27:06

who I'll call Haley. Haley

1:27:08

and I started as friends and I never told

1:27:10

her about Lauren and Lauren never mentioned Haley. Not

1:27:13

long after Haley and I started dating, Lauren came to

1:27:15

tell me goodbye. A

1:27:17

few weeks after Haley and I broke up,

1:27:20

Lauren returned and our dynamic continued, which has

1:27:22

basically been the cycle since Lauren first came to

1:27:24

me. I don't know who

1:27:26

or what this being is, but even times when

1:27:28

I'm intentionally single to work on myself, she's

1:27:31

there as a friendly support for anything I

1:27:33

could ever need. Whenever I've

1:27:35

asked her, she dismisses the question, but she's

1:27:37

never said anything creepy like meeting

1:27:39

on the other side or she's dead or a demon,

1:27:41

etc. There is a TikTok

1:27:44

series called Hells Bells and one of

1:27:46

the relationships is between a succubus angel

1:27:48

and a soul that will be reincarnated,

1:27:50

Ruggie. So could that be

1:27:52

the same situation Lauren and I are in? But she's

1:27:54

not allowed to tell me about my past. Did

1:27:57

I unintentionally make a tulpa? know,

1:28:00

what do you think? See you on the other

1:28:02

side, Macy. This is so fascinating

1:28:04

because I feel like when we've heard, let's

1:28:07

default back to that one story that was

1:28:09

super popular in the UK. And

1:28:11

the woman went on the news and like Good Morning

1:28:13

America and like different, different places like that to talk

1:28:15

about how she and her fiance had

1:28:18

broken up because she started a relationship with

1:28:20

this, with the spirit and like, incubus

1:28:23

like spirit, where it did

1:28:25

seem very sexual

1:28:27

and intimate. But she

1:28:30

was not talking about like

1:28:32

the rhythms of daily life

1:28:34

and the stuff that Macy

1:28:36

and Lauren are experiencing together,

1:28:39

like actually communicating and discussing

1:28:41

and sharing opinions and like

1:28:43

an actual relationship that it

1:28:45

feels no different. Right,

1:28:47

especially as Lauren comes and goes, it's not

1:28:49

like Lauren's only there for Macy, Lauren

1:28:53

leaves to attend to whatever

1:28:55

they're experiencing, which this makes me think

1:28:57

like, is Lauren

1:29:00

alive in a different timeline or a

1:29:02

different dimension and Lauren

1:29:04

is experiencing Macy the way that Macy is

1:29:07

experiencing Lauren? I did have that thought too,

1:29:09

where Macy's the one that kind of just

1:29:11

comes and goes and it's confusing. But then

1:29:14

it's also strange because Lauren does feel like

1:29:17

she has more of the power and

1:29:19

when she appears, right, where it's like

1:29:21

Macy gets in a relationship and Lauren

1:29:23

leaves. But then Lauren comes back and

1:29:25

it's like, well, how would Lauren

1:29:28

have that ability in another lifetime, in another

1:29:31

dimension? Is Macy's the one haunting

1:29:33

Lauren? Lauren is for sure on the board

1:29:36

of questions and answers. She Lauren

1:29:38

knows what's up. But

1:29:40

it does mean very clearly, a soul mate

1:29:44

connection or like a universal

1:29:46

greater connection between Lauren and

1:29:48

Macy. But

1:29:51

I don't know what the answer is. But

1:29:53

it sounds very pleasurable and enjoyable. Like it

1:29:55

seems like a good situation. I feel

1:29:57

like I've never heard something like this, where it's just like

1:29:59

a full fled. This does

1:30:01

feel like that story I wrote my sophomore

1:30:03

year of high school about the romance between

1:30:06

that lady and the dead guy.

1:30:09

Right. I bet Lauren and Macy

1:30:11

were soulmates or like have

1:30:13

been together in previous lives and will be

1:30:15

again. Yeah. Because it

1:30:17

does feel like there's so much

1:30:20

like tenderness and friendship. Yeah, I

1:30:22

agree. Dang. Guardian,

1:30:25

make it sexy. It's

1:30:29

like me being like godmother but make it witchy.

1:30:31

Yeah, get a little bit of stir

1:30:33

the pot, get two things in one. I

1:30:35

feel like this is an incredible experience. I don't

1:30:38

know how to describe it or like what it

1:30:40

could be. I have no answers.

1:30:43

But I'm very happy for Macy that Macy gets

1:30:45

to experience it, especially because it does feel like

1:30:47

if there ever came a time when Macy was

1:30:49

like, not for me no longer, I don't

1:30:51

like this, then it would

1:30:53

stop. Right. Especially because Lauren

1:30:56

respects Macy's boundaries. Like when Macy's in

1:30:58

a relationship, Lauren's very much like,

1:31:00

I will let you experience this,

1:31:02

this is for you and I will give you

1:31:04

the space to have this. Powerful

1:31:07

stuff. It would be frustrating

1:31:09

though for to have that healthy of a

1:31:11

relationship in the prison, not be real or

1:31:13

like not be alive physically. Right. Yeah,

1:31:16

you can't introduce them to your friends. Yeah,

1:31:18

that would be frustrating. I mean, you can introduce,

1:31:21

like they can meet your friends but your friends

1:31:23

can't meet them. Right. Right.

1:31:26

That would be tough. If you get to

1:31:28

experience, Lauren, Macy, thank you for sharing that

1:31:30

with us. And if any of you have

1:31:33

stories about your soulmates or anything paranormal or

1:31:35

just want to enjoy theoretical physics

1:31:37

with us and send us your

1:31:39

theory on the invisible string theory,

1:31:42

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And you tell two people about us, you have

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them start listening. And then the community. web

1:32:00

of paranormal enthusiasts grow and then we just

1:32:02

get more and more ghost stories to be

1:32:04

able to share here. And it's pretty awesome.

1:32:07

And maybe your future soulmate or

1:32:09

someone along your invisible string will

1:32:12

be brought into this community and that's how

1:32:14

you meet them. Wait, that has happened. I've

1:32:16

seen it a couple times. People have... I

1:32:19

know love. There's love in the community. We're

1:32:21

matchmakers. We won't out anyone for their relationships,

1:32:23

but we have seen it be announced between

1:32:25

the community. We watch.

1:32:27

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1:32:59

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1:33:01

out to try to lure you. Pull

1:33:04

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much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan,

1:33:08

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