Your hosts are Kisa Hoeltke and Renee Reithel. This isn’t an academic or theological conversation— it’s a heart conversation. These two mamas want to be a part of a heart change in America. They want to see the ugliness of racism and bias be destroyed not just for us, but more importantly for our children. Will you join us? We are all learning together, and we hope to lead this podcast with our heart’s desires and with God’s grace.