One of the most important people in your life can (and should be!) your therapist. That’s why on this week’s episode of Unapologetic Conversations we’re looking at how to have those honest, sometimes hard, conversations with the professionals who want to help you be your healthiest version of you. Anthony Evans Jr. and his long-time therapist, Stacy Kaiser, give us a look into their own client-therapist relationship, leaving us all with the courage to have these kinds of vulnerable conversations ourselves.

As a licensed counselor herself, Julia loved talking with Anthony and Stacy about all things therapy: Why Christians should consider talking with a therapist, how to find the right therapist for you, navigating forgiveness and toxic people, and an honest look at why some people are hesitant to see a professional. Anthony and Julia also share stories of growing up as pastor’s kids, plus Anthony talks about his best pieces of advice for making faith your own. Throughout their conversation, Stacy imparts what she’s learned in her years as a psychotherapist, including how to balance forgiveness and boundaries, adding hope to faith, and her advice for teens. This is a can’t-miss episode packed with practical tools and honest reflections from two people who have been in the trenches of life together.

Anthony and Stacy’s book, When Faith Meets Therapy, is available everywhere books are sold.