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this is undaunted life of

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a man podcast on your hoes kyle thompson

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let's you to do it i guys we

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got to a return gifts the podcast his a disease

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eric metaxas he's a number one

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new york times author, speaker, and conservative,

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radio show host he's written biographies of

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christian giants like william wilberforce

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martin luther and the great

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dietrich bonhoeffer his autobiography of bonhoeffer

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is in r 100

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books every modern christian man should read less, but

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he's also written comedy books and children's books, and

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even wrote for veggietales, back in the the day but we had

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him on last year on episode

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248, to talk about his book is dead,

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which is basically a masterclass on

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the unapologetic, sand kind looking at different

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in terms of how frames

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at versus what it is in reality but today we're

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having them on to to talk about a new that is out it

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came out like the time you're listening to this it came out

1:02

in the the last week it's called letter to the american

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church and so this is an important book

1:07

it's shortest of of all those books that i know of his books normally

1:09

four five hundred pages long this is like a pages

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but he sounds the alarm on stuff that

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is is currently happening in the modern

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american church as it pertains to the culture

1:18

in america and then specifically how

1:20

that aligns with what was happening in the nineteen

1:22

thirties with the church there

1:24

in germany and what was going on with the rise

1:26

of the nazi party and the third reich and

1:29

so if that seems like it's a stretch

1:31

i implore you to read this book it is legitimately

1:33

one the best books we read so far this year you

1:35

will certainly hear me talk about again at the end of year when

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we do our books of the year award

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in this interview

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we spent a lot of time talking about

1:43

that we seven what i'm talking about what was going

1:45

on and what kind of curry it'd be a environment in

1:48

the nineteen thirties and germany that led to that but

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we spent a lot of i'm talking about why the church

1:52

why the modern certain specifically modern passers

1:55

are so cowardly on most of these cultural

1:57

issues and then they wanna say oh it's

1:59

because we want to be political or

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are we don't want to be seen as big as bigoted

2:03

or and i'm loving you know it's it's not really

2:06

a gospel issue abortions are really

2:08

gospel is you keeping you know fourteen

2:10

year olds from cutting author healthy breath is overly

2:12

gospel issue that are southern borders

2:14

is wide open and people are being taken advantage

2:16

of the like none of those are gospel issues so

2:18

we did a lot into that but we talk about how the gospel

2:21

itself has been bastard eyes to the

2:23

these people can kind of get their christian pacifists

2:25

way of working into things and how they're

2:27

not really following that the christ like

2:29

model of meekness but then we get into not

2:31

just woman what is but how do we

2:34

operate what do we do and so

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we spent a lot i'm digging into that so it's a

2:38

really really the antarctic interview before we get there

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today with eric metaxas you know it's a short

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interview and even the bookstore but there is a lot

4:59

the packed into it so get ready pack

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a lunch really get into it so guys without further ado

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let's get into

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eric metaxas will go back to adult life

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may as well just

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my privilege thank you

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hey lifetime

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we only had a weird short time

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and we hit a grand slam so let's see if we can go

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super to a short time because you've got

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a new book out this week is actually today that

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they were recording it's it's called letter to the

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american church so in it's a

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your warning us about the real potential

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something nefarious on the horizon

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so what exactly are you sounding the alarm for let

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me be blunt

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let me be blunt

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the

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i wish

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what i knew to be true was

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not true but what i say

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in the book letter to the american church and

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i begged people are to

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take this seriously

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the silence of the american church

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in all kinds of issues

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ah is exactly the same

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as the silence of the german church

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in the nineteen thirties people

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might think oh that's it or dramatic parallel

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you're overstating the case

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ladies and gentlemen i wish

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i were overstating the case i promise

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you i know enough to know that

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i'm not overstating the case and

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that the german church was logged

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into silence for exactly

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the same reasons the

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american church has been lulled

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into silence many good people

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believe

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that i shouldn't speak out on this

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issue or that issue you can name the issue

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they say i want to be political

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well

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that's what they said in germany and these

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were not evil people they were used

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by evil they were used for evil

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purposes but they didn't think

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hey i want to worship battles hitler

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i want to serve the devil i want

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millions of jews to be murdered they

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had no clue what

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their in action and their silence would

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bring about and i really

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believe genuinely that

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the lord gave me

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the assignment to write the bahnhof a book

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when i did as a warning

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to us today to say

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this is exactly what will happen

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to you it'll be different in many ways but it's the

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same thing you will be lulled

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into silence if you are

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not bravely

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speaking the truth the into

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the culture whether you're accused

7:29

of being political whether you get whatever it is

7:31

if you do not do that what happened

7:33

there what happened in

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america so i wrote

7:37

the bahnhof or book but then recently

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in the last year or so i said i have to

7:42

right short book is probably my short

7:45

his book explaining

7:47

how it is that

7:50

we could get here why there

7:52

are people today while we're having this conversation

7:54

that they're convinced they shouldn't speak

7:56

up on these issues they don't want to be used to being

7:58

political they don't want use have been divisive

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they might lose people in their congregations that

8:03

they might drive people were they have all these reasons

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and i'm here to beg you folks i

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to take this seriously i can not

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i cannot possibly overstate

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the case of what we are facing

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yeah just finished the book yesterday in the alarm

8:18

you're sounding is allowed one a and i can see

8:20

a lot of the through points that we're currently seeing and

8:22

kosar and specifically as you

8:24

brought up several times they're christians

8:26

but even more specifically pastors not

8:29

wanting to be political someone read this quote

8:31

from your book here which by the way to guys like this is

8:33

one of yours order books maybe you're sort of books but

8:35

it is is dense like a get your highlighters

8:37

ready for me read this quote so those who

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behave as though there is nothing to worry

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about

8:42

the seem to think

8:43

that's prominent passers as any saintly others

8:45

do that we ought to assiduously avoid

8:47

fighting these threats to be a political

8:50

or

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tragically mistaken are bearing

8:52

their heads in the sand and

8:54

the wording others do the same or to put

8:56

it another way they are in the churches singing

8:58

more and more loudly to drown

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out the cries of those in the box

9:02

com there's heading to their gruesome deaths

9:05

just a brutal line there let's keep going seen

9:07

with us they say and don't worry about all those

9:09

other issues out there they don't concern us our

9:11

job is to focus on god and to pretend

9:14

that we can do so without fighting

9:16

for those he loves whose lives

9:18

in futures are being destroyed

9:20

so fantastic some

9:24

summation of what we're looking at right now where

9:26

we have these modern mealy mouthed

9:28

cowardly passers not talking about

9:30

abortion not talking about lgbt

9:33

no specifically the t right now on the trains

9:35

in of children critical race theory biblical

9:38

marriage which is the only type of marriage stock

9:40

all traditional marriage is called biblical marriage

9:42

eric we've accepted are places

9:44

stream of culture while simultaneously

9:47

begging the culture to love us without

9:49

realizing that they will always hate us

9:52

in the and go

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well i mean it's almost funny i don't

9:55

have i mentioned in the book but the classic

9:57

case is tim tebow right

9:59

here's a guy

10:01

a who has been the nicest

10:03

guy the most wonderful whitney look

10:06

how he was marked right so

10:08

so cute will act as

10:10

though you know if you don't talk about

10:12

politics or something like that you'll be

10:14

fine people be attracted to you

10:17

now now by the way i love tim tebow he's not

10:19

guilty of what i'm talking about but what i'm saying

10:21

is that people think that you

10:23

know if if i if i just do the nice

10:25

thing ah i think maybe mike pence

10:28

thought that you know on january six

10:30

when he says what i'm not going to do anything dramatic

10:32

like send this stuff back to the states are you

10:34

know i'm just going to do the same thing and and

10:37

the fact to the matter is

10:38

people will hate your guts

10:41

a or unless you do what they

10:43

want you to do so the idea

10:46

that in the church will be more like if we don't

10:48

talk about this this this i want to say

10:51

one li there are people

10:54

who have made an idol of evangelism

10:56

they had this idea in their minds it

10:58

if i don't speak about these hot button issues

11:01

it will attract people to the face and then

11:04

we can deal with those issues won't now of course

11:06

in some cases that's true or

11:09

if you're having a conversation somebody and and you

11:11

have discernment of a holy spirit that

11:13

i'm not gonna talk about this issue where that

11:15

issue because this is not the time but

11:18

the point is

11:19

the pastures

11:21

who believed to take this as a doctrine

11:23

that we're not going to address what everyone

11:26

in the pew is concerned with

11:28

everyone in the pew is freaking out

11:30

about what's happening the country that

11:32

children are being sexualized we

11:35

have five million people strangers

11:37

who come across the southern border

11:40

many of them of course bringing

11:43

sense and all we have drug mules we

11:45

have every kind of nightmare happening

11:48

but we don't want to offend anyone we don't want

11:50

to be accused of being racist or with whatever

11:52

it is some crazy thing that we're gonna let people's

11:55

nasty words are shut

11:57

us up and i think to myself

11:59

oh have died for their face

12:02

people have died for liberty and

12:05

we're single i don't want somebody to call me that

12:07

name i don't want some he'd say i'm being political

12:09

i'm being a culture where your and i think to myself ladies and

12:11

gentlemen there are far worse

12:13

things than being called names

12:15

being silent being the face of evil

12:18

okay when i think of the sentinel overdoses

12:21

in this country what about those

12:23

people do not love them do not

12:25

care about those people what about the people

12:27

whose kids are are being indoctrinated

12:29

in their schools with marxism

12:32

with anti american anti biblical

12:34

marxist atheism what

12:36

about them what about black

12:39

communities that are being devastated

12:42

by black lives matter critical

12:44

race theory they're been devastated

12:46

the division is growing if

12:49

you called

12:51

the love those people you are called to

12:53

speak out on these issues and when we have

12:55

the siren songs in the church

12:58

saying no we're not supposed to be political

13:00

or any stanley wrote a book about this

13:02

and i was blown away i saw it millions

13:04

of people listened to him and he is making

13:07

the case it's a mess i mean it's

13:09

historically inaccurate is biblically a mess

13:11

but he's making this really kind of rhetorical

13:14

the case that is going to mislead

13:16

millions and then you have somebody like jim daily

13:19

head of folks on a family gave it a positive endorsement

13:21

and i thought these are not evil

13:23

men what they are misleading

13:26

millions and i have to speak out

13:28

and say folks what i

13:30

write in this book okay baja

13:32

for what was saying this to the german

13:34

church and good man good

13:37

leaders the not hear

13:39

what he had to say they said none are no

13:41

organ take a pass or going to keep our nose

13:43

down we don't want to get political

13:46

we don't want someone to burn our church down we

13:48

don't want someone to close or church and we're just gonna

13:50

be silent on all of these issues those

13:53

would be very issues if

13:55

they had spoken up if they

13:57

had shown their faith in action

13:59

in in there

13:59

words

14:01

instead of just saying i'm a christian but living

14:03

it out as though they believe god

14:05

would be with them if they had done

14:07

that would happen in germany wouldn't have happened

14:09

and i know the history of i can tell you bluntly i

14:11

know what i'm talking about it didn't need to

14:13

happen they the church

14:16

was silent and it is because

14:18

of the silence of the german church that

14:20

the nightmare of the holocaust and other things

14:22

happened it is because of the silence

14:24

of the american church that these nightmares

14:27

are just beginning to happen and will continue

14:29

to happen i believe the lord

14:31

called me to write this book for

14:34

those in the church who will have ears to

14:36

hear they're still many who are on the fence

14:38

they're confused i beg them to

14:40

consider

14:41

what i write about

14:43

we are you saying the book if another three to

14:46

six thousand bronson passers had stood up

14:48

with the confessing church of the time

14:49

the rider the nazis we would have never seen

14:51

any of that

14:52

some stuff that we saw happen with the third

14:54

reich but even beyond that you brought up a lot different

14:56

points conservatives and christians are now trying

14:59

to actually fight back fight back bit in this is

15:01

a rallying cry as he bespoke as a rallying cry

15:03

because beforehand prisons conserved

15:05

as wouldn't fall and a hill were dying on

15:08

and and then they wake up one day in the war has

15:10

passed them by and they realize i never picked

15:12

up my sorta never picked up my home and i never picked up

15:14

my breastplate and and now society

15:16

has passed me by but to a degree these

15:18

guys like andy stanley i wonder if

15:20

he would have written that book had trump never been president

15:22

and so i don't really want to get into the trump stuff because

15:25

you do a lot with that i want to keep it

15:27

to the book but the thing that i find it's

15:30

a more than inappropriate is the bastard

15:32

as a son of the gas that we aren't gonna

15:35

talk about these things that concern

15:37

people that carry the imago day for

15:39

the sake of the gospel right but i think he would

15:41

it's tied to iraq and i'll let you gonna weed this all

15:43

together because i know you know how to is

15:45

christian pacifism though are you

15:48

you talk about this in the book they meekly adopted

15:50

the stance that it was the christ

15:52

like thing to submit and not to fight

15:54

nor even to mention such tremendously

15:56

series

15:57

issues it's a bastardization of the

15:59

gospel

15:59

the word make which

16:01

not week in coward it

16:03

is a tremendous amount of control

16:05

under the guidance and

16:07

direction of the father when you make a warhorse

16:09

you don't take away the worse his ability to

16:11

be a war who

16:12

have you tried it in the control of the writer

16:14

the talk to me about how the bastardization of the

16:16

gospel and christen pacifism is kind of given

16:18

us this which is brew of nonsense well

16:21

right and else are we get we need to be clear

16:23

okay this is not even a conservative issue

16:25

this is an issue of truth this

16:28

is an issue of to what is the gospel

16:30

of jesus christ what does the bible

16:33

say what does god require

16:35

of us i don't care what

16:37

label you put on me i

16:40

am to obey god and god

16:42

will judge me for that

16:44

a if i say i have say

16:46

i do not live as though i had

16:48

states self sacrificial li

16:51

arm god will judge me and so we

16:53

have the siren song that oh yeah

16:55

to to be self sacrificial needs to get the vaccine

16:58

you know get a blood clot and i get my oh card

17:00

i already just just go along

17:03

with the crowd that's what the german church

17:05

did this it was one of along with the crowd we don't want to stick

17:07

our noses out or are we don't want to swear

17:09

when i stick our necks out because we

17:11

want to keep our noses clean we really

17:14

just wanna go along to get along

17:16

that is not what god is calling his church to do

17:19

with some of the issue of slavery when

17:21

wilberforce everybody you read my book amazing

17:23

grace they say oh of course i would have stood

17:25

against slavery it's so obvious

17:28

what of the and more obvious don't you

17:30

think there were voices in that day that said

17:32

he wilberforce shudder

17:34

you and your methodist enthusiast

17:36

jesus freak friends when he

17:38

stay at a policy at this isn't a gospel

17:40

is you william and say they said to him

17:43

the gospel issue america

17:45

they were pastors who refused

17:48

to speak clearly against the evil

17:50

of slavery is the fact that and reading about a

17:52

recently they said was on a gospel issue

17:54

we don't wanna be divisive

17:56

folks that's insane

17:58

there are things that god requires

18:01

us to speak against injustice against

18:03

lies against wickedness and

18:05

guess who did that jesus did

18:08

that

18:09

john the baptist did that

18:11

you have all

18:13

kinds of figures in scripture who

18:15

did that but today

18:18

the voices in the american evangelical church some

18:20

of them was or will they weren't for those want gospel issues

18:23

and i'm thinking you are really

18:25

very confused about what the gospel

18:27

is about what your role is your

18:29

role is to speak up

18:31

for those who have no voice to be the conscience

18:34

of the nation as a church

18:36

and so when wicked things are happening

18:39

they're all kinds of people by the way if you're worried about evangelism

18:42

that is going to attract people

18:44

the jesus when they see bravery

18:47

when they see that kind of fearlessness they say

18:49

what is that ah we

18:51

had that in the civil rights movement out

18:53

what went on doctor king said we're

18:55

going to turn the other cheek we're going to

18:58

ah do things that people

19:00

are gonna know god is with us

19:02

because we're not fighting the way the world's bites

19:04

we're simply going to ah do

19:07

what we can but we're not going to do nothing

19:09

we're not going to sit back and say this just the way it is

19:12

so when you're dealing with all kinds of injustices

19:15

you know you you really have to be brave but

19:17

when you're brave years you're telling

19:19

the world

19:21

dot is with me i'm not afraid to speak

19:23

about truth because there are young women

19:25

whose lives have been destroyed by transgender confusion

19:28

or their children whose lives have been destroyed

19:30

by having this transgender pronoun stuff

19:32

inject into their minds are at an age

19:34

far before anybody can process

19:37

these things and the devil

19:39

is

19:40

like a roaring lion in our culture

19:43

and we have many voices in the church saying

19:45

don't talk about that just reach the

19:47

gospel my question is what dead

19:50

pseudo gospel do you think you're preaching

19:53

if you refuse to speak about the things that

19:55

people in the pews are dying

19:57

to know about they want to know i

19:59

be

19:59

forced to get a vaccine or it's made

20:02

of because of abortions made

20:04

it possible and everywhere i read

20:06

that i don't need to take kids are everywhere

20:09

i read as that is causing harm i don't want to take

20:11

it my job is forcing me to take it's i'm

20:13

going to a christian school they're forcing me to

20:15

take it this is madness

20:17

when you tell people not to talk about these things

20:20

they're going to find someone who's gonna talk about

20:22

it and and i'm telling you right now we

20:24

have many brave voices are

20:26

talking about this in the church and

20:29

their numbers are exploding at pay

20:31

guns are coming to those churches and saying those

20:34

people are brave they're talking about what i

20:36

care about in on trying to raise my family

20:38

and his craziness they have the guts to talk about

20:40

this i'm not going to go down to the methodist

20:42

church down the street that as like preaching the gospel

20:44

the new york times or whatever they are allowed

20:47

to preach over there we are living in

20:49

crazy times and i i want to make the case biblically

20:51

folks this is not about politics

20:54

when people say that they're just

20:56

trying to shut you up this is about truth

20:58

this is about justice this about the church

21:01

being church and again if you don't believe me you

21:03

read my book and you'll see what happened to

21:05

the germans the germans bought the

21:07

same lies exact same lies

21:10

about what is happening now and you mentioned

21:12

call about you know i say

21:14

in the book there was this thing called the barman

21:16

declaration and these heroic pastures

21:19

stood against the nazis wrote

21:21

this thing called the barman declaration well

21:24

by nineteen thirty five two years and to hitler's

21:26

rule

21:28

the prosecution had been so

21:30

strong against local christians

21:33

that half of the number who had supported

21:35

it or signed it vanished the you had only really

21:37

three thousand out of the eighteen

21:40

thousand pastors in germany willing

21:42

to strongly stand for the truth against

21:46

hodel usurpation the government

21:48

trying to destroy the church take

21:50

over the church only three of the eighteen

21:52

thousand on the other end of the spectrum

21:54

yeah three thousand super pro nazis that

21:57

you know that's like the and see for crowd whatever it is

21:59

these

21:59

hate the gospel and

22:02

we know where they stand the in

22:04

the middle there are twelve

22:07

thousand pastors out of the

22:09

eighteen thousand who refused

22:12

to commit who said we're just gonna see

22:14

which way the wind blows we don't wanna

22:16

get in trouble war let

22:18

those hotheads the three thousand

22:20

hotheads been offered at let them take

22:23

the heat will keep our mouths shot

22:26

it is because of the silence those

22:29

twelve thousand what happened

22:31

in germany happened if any number

22:33

of those twelve thousand it it could

22:36

have just been a couple of thousand of those taught

22:38

the if they had joined the three thousand

22:40

standing with the confessing church with

22:42

right if they had done that everything

22:44

would have changed i believe that's exactly where we

22:46

are in america they are people that the lord

22:48

wants to reach it's why he called me to write this

22:50

book and to say to them will

22:53

you stand will you see that

22:55

what happened in germany is happening now

22:57

is exactly the same thing you are

22:59

drifting along exactly as they

23:01

drifted along will you stop will

23:04

you repent will you do what

23:06

i require of you if you do you

23:08

cannot imagine the disaster

23:10

that will be averted you cannot imagine

23:13

the souls that will come to face we're

23:15

looking at revival were looking at great

23:17

things but the silence of the church thus

23:20

far has prevented it so we're in an unbelievable

23:22

battle and the reason it's called letter to the

23:25

american church is because this is

23:27

not a case i'm making to my fellow americans

23:29

it's a case i making to those

23:31

who say i'm a christian i want to do the will

23:33

of jesus that

23:35

is the case that i'm making and i really

23:38

humbly beg people to consider

23:40

what i'm saying everything is at stake

23:42

we certainly seem to be at an inflection point

23:44

will make this last question of the day it's

23:46

kind of like okay so so how do we do

23:48

this because again you mentioned you know some people are

23:50

just can be branded all your to political you're too partisan

23:53

you're too hot headed as they dismissed bar

23:55

hop around you to twenty something year old and

23:57

you're just kind of a hot head but then we get into

23:59

some the also describe in the book which is

24:01

the biblical masculinity the masculinity

24:04

of jesus the jesus that when and unclear

24:06

the temple

24:06

the new a with that he made but

24:09

god sometimes does things in a shocking

24:11

way to show us his love that that's a quote from the

24:13

book as well but what exactly do we

24:15

do because the parlor is why i exist why the show

24:17

exists is because passers won't talk about

24:19

this of that's why we talk about faith culture

24:21

and politics because someone's gotta

24:23

quit these men with the truth so what do we do

24:26

moving forward well look the first thing i say

24:28

since the book or a just came out today

24:30

i say

24:32

if you have a pastor that's waffling on this

24:34

stuff we give

24:36

them a copy of the book because i

24:38

do believe there are leaders

24:40

who are not hearing what

24:43

i say in this book they're only hearing the

24:45

siren song of silence i

24:47

i really do believe that they are people out

24:49

there who can be reached and that's why

24:51

this is not a book design the

24:54

demonize people is designed

24:56

to reason to say please please

24:58

consider that that's the role we're going

25:00

down so that's the first thing i would say the

25:02

second thing i would say is when

25:05

whoever is listening right now

25:07

when you read the book you will

25:09

be galvanize you will say

25:11

i have got to pray and say

25:13

lord lead me where do i

25:15

speak up how do i speak up

25:17

there are innumerable ways to

25:20

speak up if you're going to a church where the pastor

25:22

refuses to speak i would

25:24

humbly say please stop going to that church

25:27

please find a church where they are bravely

25:30

taking on these issues and fighting the battle

25:32

because there are patients in your community

25:35

dying for someone to take a stand

25:38

for the truth and they will come with you to

25:40

the church where the past or you know is a real

25:42

man who's not afraid of being

25:44

devices but who is doing this

25:46

out of love for the loss of

25:48

love for his flock out of love for those who

25:50

are confused is if you care about

25:53

black people in america and you're not speaking against

25:55

critical race theory you're being

25:57

cowardly because critical race

25:59

the is destroying black community

26:02

so if you love people in

26:04

those communities your commanded to bravely

26:06

speak against critical race or even though

26:09

you might happen to be white it happens

26:11

to be false and you don't need to be

26:13

a person of color to see that critical

26:15

race theory is evil of a vote he balcomb

26:18

has spoken about it innumerable people have

26:20

spoken about it but there's so many places

26:23

where we can be tempted to silence this

26:25

is the moment that the church

26:27

has to speak up

26:28

bravely in every way

26:31

we can and there are innumerable ways that's

26:33

the joy of folks let's

26:35

get busy because the hour is late

26:37

and where we are now i think most

26:39

people can see the drift

26:42

ah of things right now is just

26:44

horrific it is if if if i

26:47

believe the lord allowed things to get this

26:49

bad who wake up those

26:51

who could be awakened and

26:53

so that's my prayer that this book would reach people

26:56

and awaken people and they would say okay

26:58

enough is enough i need to repent

27:00

i need to start speaking out

27:03

into the men and women listening to this if you're not

27:05

a pastor and you give your passer this book

27:07

in addition to that you give them this message passer

27:09

if you start talking about these the issues i

27:12

will stand around you and i will take some of the

27:14

slings and arrows that are headed your way and then

27:16

you get a dozen a your friends and your weight

27:18

the lobby know go in one by one as a passer

27:20

if you start talking about this we've got your back

27:23

that is how you will steal his nerves

27:25

and steal his resolve but that's all time

27:27

we got for it and know you got a bunch of these to do today

27:29

a good congratulations on get this book out to us that's

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