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Hello and welcome to Understanding Our Times,

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the weekly program where we bring to

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you the current events of this world

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through a biblical lens. This

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week I have with me again Lee

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Brainard from Soothkeep. Lee,

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we're so thankful to have you. We

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can find you at soothekeep.info on

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all kinds of different social media platforms. Lee,

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tell us a little bit about your ministry.

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Well, soothekeep is an old English word, soothe,

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truth, and keep, which is

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a fortress. And so soothekeep is a truth

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fortress. This has been a vision on my

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heart since I was a babe in the

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Lord, not merely to be

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right on different doctrinal issues, but to approach

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the word of God in such a way

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that we're always looking for biblical

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theology, not theological theology. There

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you go, that's great. I

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want people to understand that you have

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a recent work that you've really

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spent a lot of time on. It's a new

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book. You publish it

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in about 2021, so it's a couple years old, but

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that's new in the grand scheme of things. Let's believe

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it, even though we live in a digital age. And

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it's entitled Apostasia, correct?

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Yes. It's apostasy in

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2 Thessalonians 2, 3, rapture or

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apostasy. Okay. So

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really, in modern times,

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in the last, Say, hundred.

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The are you There has been

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a a surge of has a

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handful of people saying that there's

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controversy syria second both alone he

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answered after to of specifically verse

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three and that word apostasy at

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yeah because they're saying that is

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miss Translator misunderstood or when it's

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a falling away it's it's It's

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actually better to be understood as

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a catching up like a rapture

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that you. Soak, You spent

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quite a bit of time effort energy

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writing, brain power and Greek knowledge to

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do a deep dive? I sure did.

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I spent two years on this project.

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What read That started as I was.

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Ah. Someone. Showed me a copy

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of a book of that was promoting the

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Raptor Understanding. Okay, and I read the book

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and is that okay? This is a pretty

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cool theory, but I don't wanna jump on

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a bandwagon just because it's a cool theory.

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And I had enough Greek under my

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belt. I was slightly skeptical, but I

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was willing to embrace it if it

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would uphold a rigorous examination. Okay, so

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I spent two years. I examined every.

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Instance. In the extent literature

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that I could find. A. Look

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at every appearance of the Greek word

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apostasy up from two hundred and fifty

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bc in our to be the Sand

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reckon her to five hundred eighty. So.

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That seven hundred and fifty years of

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coin A Greek. I looked at two

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hundred and eighty three passages every instance

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on the T Lg website a thesaurus

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link like Brecht I website. Read

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those passages in the original

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Greek in their context. categorize

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them. And what I

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found. Is. That.

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The Greek word apostasy. It is

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never. Ever used. For.

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Physical departure. Really?

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Not once never used for spatial departure

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of can. And then I also investigate

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the English translations because people would say

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we'll. We'll. All the older translations

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prior to the reams and Fifteen Eighty

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Two they all had. departure

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and only from that era

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of forward or they translate

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would non-departure readings. So

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I went back and I examined the

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history of the English translations and

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the history of the Latin translations and the

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history of the German translations and

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I discovered that this is simply

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not true. There's a whole

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string of translations prior to

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the 1582 that have non-departure

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renderings. So it

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goes all the way back to in 1380, 1382, Wycliffe

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had dissension, not departure.

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And so then we also see in 1300 in a work called the

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Cursor Mundi which gets a

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large poetic ballad and

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it covers the history of the world from the

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angle of God's redemption and in

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it it quotes a lot of scripture and

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in there they talk about when

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it comes to the Antichrist they

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talk about his dissension and the Antichrist rather

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than the departure and the Antichrist.

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So these readings are ancient and

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so I also discovered

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that when you go to the English

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versions that use the word departure in the

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introductions to the chapters

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and to the books in the marginal

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notes and in the footnotes they

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plainly tell us that they meant

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spiritual departure, it's a synonym with

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apostasy and falling away. So this

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whole idea that there was this

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conspiracy to

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take departure out of

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the Bible and put apostasy in

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it and that the Catholics fostered this

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on the Protestants and us Protestants have

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just fell for it, this

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is really just a fairy tale,

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it's simply not true. There's no

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historical reality there. So in essence

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departure or dissension there means a

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falling away from the truth. That's right. If

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you go to a Middle English dictionary and

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you look up the word departure it's

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going to give things like Ascension,

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disagreement, and

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things like that for the meaning of

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the word. So we can't

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take, it's an anachronistic to take the

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modern English meaning of departure and read

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it into the word in the 1500s

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and 1600s. Absolutely.

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It's just a different verbiage that they're

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using that we're not used to. That's

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right. And it's very important to understand

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their context. That's exactly right. Well,

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as you know, Kent has been down

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in Australia and New Zealand with Tom

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Hughes, Brandon Holthouse, Billy Crone, Mondo Gonzalez,

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and Pete Garcia. And

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while he was there, he was able to pull a

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couple of them aside to hear their thoughts on

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2 Thessalonians, chapter 2. So

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let's hear what Pastor Billy Crone has to

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say about 2 Thessalonians, chapter 2. So

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one last thing. There's a

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big controversy on the rapture

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and not when

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it's going to take place, but there's verses in the Bible.

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We're going to look at 2 Thessalonians

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2, verse 3. What's

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your take on it? If you leave the text

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alone, which is what you're supposed to do, it

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allows it to make for itself. It's perfect preaching

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all the way in the context. And

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what these guys do is they wipe a

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verse out of context and

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try to apply that to the rapture. When

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it's not even the rapture, it's the day of

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the Lord, the seven-year tribulation. And

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so again, let me just, I'll read it through

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in its context. Right. You're supposed

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to read the Bible in the context. And

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then watch how it naturally, without

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any preconceived ideas, comes out pre-tripped.

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And 2 Thessalonians 2, 1

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says this, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus

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Christ and our being gathered to Him, that

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is the rapture. We

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ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or

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alarmed by some prophecy report or letter supposed to

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come from us saying that the day of the

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Lord has already come. Now what's the

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day of the Lord? That's the big question. So you

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got the rapture and then you got these false teachers,

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by the way, false teachers who

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are saying the day the Lord has already come. Well the day of

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the Lord in this... Scripture

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is very clear. There's a lot of attributes

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about it, Old Testament, New Testament, but one

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thing that's very evident of the

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Day of the Lord is at the time

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of God's wrath. And

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then the Bible is very clear that

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when the seven-year tribulation starts, Revelation 6.1,

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Daniel 9.27, the final

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week of Daniel seven-week prophecy, it is

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an outpouring of God's wrath for

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the next seven years nonstop. So therefore,

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since the Day of the Lord isn't

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a Day of God's wrath, that means

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the Day of the Lord starts at

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the seven-year tribulation. So knowing

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that biblically, let's go back. Concerning the coming of

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our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to

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Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become the

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rapture. We ask you not to become easily

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unsettled or alarmed by some props report or

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letter supposed to come from us saying that

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the Day of the Lord, i.e. the seven-year

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tribulation has already come. What's that? They're basically

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saying you've been left behind. You're

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in the seven-year tribulation. And what Paul's saying,

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keep reading the very next verse. Don't let

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anyone deceive you in any way. In other

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words, don't listen to these people. That's a

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deception. Right? Do you see how this is

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just flown like butter? Leave it alone. And

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it does not disagree with the pre-trib, it

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actually pros pre-trib. It's the only

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one deceiving any way. deceiving what? What's the context?

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That's saying that you're gonna be left behind in

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the seven-year tribulation. We leave it to rapture. And

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then he says this, no, don't let anyone deceive

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you in any way. For that day, er, stop

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right there. Day, what day? The rapture? No. What's

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the context? The Day of the Lord, meaning

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the seven-year tribulation, will not come

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until the rebellion occurs and the man of law

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and the sense the Antichrist is revealed. Okay? So

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when is the man of law and the sense

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the Antichrist revealed? Daniel 927. That's when he proves

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that he is the Antichrist.

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He makes that covenant. Right. He knows he

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is real. That's what starts the event. So

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that day will not come until what? He's

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revealed. Daniel 927, which again, still

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fits with pre-trib. But keep reading. He's the

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man doomed to destruction. He's gonna oppose and

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exalt himself over everything that's called God's worship.

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So that he sets himself up in God's

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temple, proclaim himself to be God. That's the

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abomination. Desolation again Daniel 9 Matthew 24

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Jesus talks about and so Paul talks

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about it here where he goes

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up and declares himself to be Gosh, that's a

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midway point of the seven-year-old. I watch this and

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Paul he's beside himself Chrome

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translation. He says this don't you remember that

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when I was with you? I used to

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tell you these things Chrome translation Hello McFly,

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right? How many times we had to go

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through this? Right? What's the context? The context

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is this is second Thessalonians Right.

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So what's that mean after first

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Thessalonians? What did Paul deal with in

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first Thessalonians? The rapture

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the classic right passion one of them first

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that's always for exactly and so he had

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to write second Thessalonians to put to what

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To to correct false teachers that after Paul

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left with first Thessalonians he had to correct

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him because they came in behind him and

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said oh no the day the Lord of

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the seven-year tradition You've been left behind you're

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in the seven. No, and he says don't

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you come on guys We already went over

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this in first Thessalonians chapter 4 and so

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in your book apostasy a Lee you give

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four main Arguments. Yes,

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you give a contextual a grammatical

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and exegetical and a theological. That's

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right Now can we run through

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those in a decent speed?

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Yeah, we sure can. Okay, great So

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if we start with a contextual argument,

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okay now It's

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claimed that the context of second

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Thessalonians the whole context is the

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rapture and therefore we should take

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the word apostasy in verse 3

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of chapter 2 as Reference

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to the rapture rather than to apostasy

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Okay But I think this is a mistake

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when we look at the context in chapter

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1 the context is the second coming

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Aspect of the day of the Lord

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that there's gonna judgments gonna fall upon

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The world and God is going to vindicate

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the believers deliver the believers and he's going

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to bring judgment on the ungodly Right when

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we come into chapter 2 We

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have a focus both of the dawning of

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the day of the Lord in the tribulation

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associated with the Antichrist and we have the

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arrival of the fullness of the day of

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the Lord with the judgment that brings an

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end to the Antichrist. So the context of

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chapter 1 and chapter 2 is

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the day of the Lord. Now in that

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context, when you look at what goes on

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with the Antichrist, he

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is going to introduce the greatest

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apostasy in the history of the

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world. So yes, apostasy is in

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the context, and the day of

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the Lord is the context. So

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really, when we look at what

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we have for the rapture mentioned in verse 1

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of chapter 2, this

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is mentioned not because it's the

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heart of the context, but because

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the Lord is trying to communicate through

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Paul. You guys are worried about your

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tribulations and your trials, you're worried about the day

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of the Lord, whether you might be in the

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day of the Lord. I just want you to

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know, you are going up, you are

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not going through. You will not see

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the day of the Lord. And so

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the rapture is mentioned not because it's

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a context, but because you don't have

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to worry about the context, which is

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the day of the Lord. Yeah, and

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let's just do this for a second.

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Let's read the context. I think it's

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important to just read what the Scriptures

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say. So just quickly, 2 Thessalonians chapter

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2, beginning in verse 1 says this,

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Now concerning our Lord Jesus Christ and

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our being gathered together to

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Him. That's the rapture. We

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ask you brothers not to be quickly

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shaken in mind or alarmed, either

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by spirit or a spoken word or

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a letter seeming to be from us to

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the effect that the day of the

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Lord has come. And then to

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the verse in question

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here, let no one deceive you

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in any way, for that day

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will not come unless the rebellion

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comes first and the man of

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lawlessness is revealed the son of

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destruction who opposes and exalts himself

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against every so called God or

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object of worship so

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that he takes his seat in the

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temple of God, proclaiming himself to

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be God. That's right. So Paul really in four

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verses lays out what's coming. That's right. Lays out

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eschatology. There is going to be a day of

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the Lord, there is going to be an antichrist,

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there is going to be a rapture, and there

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is going to be a falling

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away, a great apostasy. That's exactly

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right. Yeah. Great. And so

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contextually it's there. That's exactly right.

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Alright. Now go ahead. Well I was

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just gonna say we come to

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the grammatical argument. Now it's

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pointed out and I think it's legitimate that

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apostasia comes with the definite

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article. Okay. So it's

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not just an apostasia. So it's

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not just an

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departure or an apostasy.

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This is the departure or the

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apostasy. So it's specific. Yeah. Great

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one. Yeah. And so I think

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that observation is legitimate but it

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doesn't answer the question for us.

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Just because we have a definite

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article here doesn't tell us whether

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this has to be the rapture

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or has to be the apostasy.

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Okay. We still have to decide

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on the context and on

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the historical background and on the

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whether the meaning of departure is

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even available, physical departure, is available

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for the Greek word apostasia. Gotcha.

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So we can't just make

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an argument based on grammar. No.

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Okay. So what about the

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third argument that you make in your

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apostasia, the exegetical argument? Well people want

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to draw a parallel between verses 1

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through 3 with the rapture

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and then the apostasia in the antichrist

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and then they come down to verses 6 and

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7 where we have the removal of the restrainer

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which is understood to be the removal of the

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church and the removal of the

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Holy Spirit's working in the church. And

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so then they want to connect

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these two things. So they want

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to have a removal in verse 6 and 7 and a removal

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in verse 3. Okay. And

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so I think it's legitimate to want to

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get these two passages connected. But here's

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the rub. We

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don't have to have apostasy in

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verse 3 mean

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the rapture departure to have that

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parallel. We already have

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the rapture departure in verse 1. Right.

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There it is. So it's clear, it's there

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in a broader context. Yeah. When

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you back it up a little bit more, and

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you're like a Berean, and you search

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the Scriptures and understand what's really going

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on there. That's exactly right. Okay. So

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fourth argument then in your book, Apostasia,

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is the theological argument. What

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is so important about theological argument? Well,

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the argument is presented that theologically

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we can't regard

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apostasia as apostasy.

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Okay. Because there's always been apostasy

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in the church. Well,

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this is wrong. And so they're saying,

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well, there's always been apostasy. What's going

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to be the difference between this apostasy at the end

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of the age when, how's it going

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to be different than any before? Sure. Well,

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this is wrong on two levels. Okay. The first

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level that it's wrong on is that the

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context here is not the church age. The

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context is the 70th week. So

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the apostasia that it's looking at here,

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the apostasy is something that's associated with

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the 70th week, not

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the church age. So it doesn't

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matter whether or not we think that

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every apostasy in the church age is the same, and we're

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going to have a hard time telling them apart. We're

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not talking about the church age. We're talking about

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the 70th week. Now, the second

17:29

one is, the fact is,

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the apostasy at the end of the church age actually

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is significantly different than beyond

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all the apostasies in the previous history of the

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church. How so? Well, here's a couple of ways.

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Okay. First of all, during

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the entire history of the church age, there's

17:46

always been people that were engaged in moral

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perversion in the church

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and in the world in high places. Of course. Now,

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we come to the end of the age. We're

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moving in the era of Sodom and Amorah. This

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stuff is coming out of the closet. It's

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not only coming out of the closet,

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it's thrown in our face. We're berated

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because we have a wrong moral fabric

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and a wrong moral foundation. And

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this kind of wickedness is going to a

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degree that we have never seen in the

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church age. Another point

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is just the general philosophy that's

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behind the apostasy of the last

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days. When we come into the

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1600s and we see the rise of rationalism, we

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come into the 1800s, we see

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the rise of evolution. We come in later in

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the 1800s, early 1900s,

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the dominance of public education

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that's been dominated by Marxist

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theology and philosophy.

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And then this ball just

18:41

keeps rolling until we

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come to an era now where

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the whole world is moving into an evolutionary

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mindset. And we're

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going beyond materialistic evolution

18:53

now. Now evolution is

18:56

moving into a supernatural evolution

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where it's religious in

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its nature. And they're coming

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to a point where they're looking for

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God figures who are evolved beyond us

19:08

who they can worship. So that's where

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this is going. And

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so we have some big, big differences

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between the apostasies in the past and

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the apostasies now. So we're in essence

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trending towards the tribulation, right? That's exactly

19:21

right. If you picture it, this is

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how I picture it, and I'm a

19:25

visual guy. So you

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just imagine that the tribulation is

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this great wall. It

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just says tribulation there. And as we

19:34

get closer and closer to the tribulation,

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that darkness, the shadow that's cast by

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that big T tribulation, is getting

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more and more thick, more and more dark. We

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are laying the foundation for

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the apostasy of the tribulation right now. The

19:48

Antichrist is not going to come on the

19:50

scene, wave a magic wand, and the world's

19:53

going to go from bright light to immense

19:55

dark. of

20:00

the tribulation overnight. What they're going

20:02

into is he's going

20:04

to come into a stage that's already

20:07

set. That darkness is ready to rule

20:09

when he comes into power. And we

20:11

are setting the stage with our apostasy

20:13

right now. And this apostasy

20:15

right now that we are seeing is

20:17

unprecedented in the last 2,000 years. I

20:20

absolutely agree. And I think it

20:22

points us to what Paul says in

20:25

Romans chapter 1. That's what I've been trying

20:27

to get to here. Sorry, but it's

20:31

very scary. Romans 1, 28 through 32 ends this

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way. It

20:36

says this, and since they did not see fit

20:38

to acknowledge God, God gave them

20:40

up to a debased mind to do what

20:43

ought not to be done. They were filled

20:45

with all manners of unrighteousness, evil,

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covetousness, malice. They're full of

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envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness.

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They are gossip, slanderers, haters

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of God, insolent, haughty, boastful,

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inventors of evil, disobedient to

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parents. You tired yet? Foolish,

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faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though

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they know God's righteous decree that

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those who practice such things deserve to

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die. And this is the cherry on

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top, right? They not only

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do them, but give hearty

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approval to those who practice them.

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That's exactly right. This is that

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great trending towards the apostasy, right?

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Exactly right. Yes. Okay. So theologically,

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it makes sense that there has

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to be a, for

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lack of better terms, capstone apostasy.

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That's exactly right. And so the

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argument that it can't mean apostasy

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because it theologically doesn't fit, is

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completely bankrupt. The argument does not really

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actually work. So you can't use that

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as well. We then we got a default

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to the rapture interpretation. Okay. Well, great. Again,

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let's hear what Mondo Gonzales with

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Prophecy Watchers has to say about

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2 Thessalonians chapter 2. There's

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a little bit of controversy with some

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pastors that are in their teachings. Let's

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go over. second Thessalonians 2 verse 3.

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How about, give us your take

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on that. Yeah, this to me, this

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is the key, this

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is one of the key passages that people use

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against the rapture and

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can we read it? Yeah, absolutely. I

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think the flow of

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the text is often misunderstood and

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I've done a lot of study on this and

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especially, you know, not trying to be super technical,

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but if you do, if you look at it

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in the Greek, it's very helpful to

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understand the flow because Paul is making an argument here and

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there's some very technical things which we won't get into today,

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but people just go, oh

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yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very technical, but

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he says this, we

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know that Paul, of course, has taught the rapture

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in chapter 4 of 1st Thessalonians. In chapter

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5, he's talking about the times and seasons, so

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there's a context of the church, of the Thessalonians,

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that he had taught them about prophecy, had taught

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them about the day of the Lord, about the

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Antichrist, nothing, and then they

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responded with some questions. They thought that they were

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possibly in the tribulation period, and so

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he writes, he says, now concerning the

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coming of our Lord, Jesus

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Christ, and are being gathered together to him.

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Well, that's the rapture. So

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then what's happening here is, is he

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talking about the rapture or is

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he talking about which we'll see, he says,

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so he brings up the rapture idea. The rapture comes

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up first. We ask you about

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the rapture, us being gathered. We ask your

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brothers not to be quickly shaken in mind

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or alarmed, either by a spirit or a

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spoken word or a letter, seeming to be from us, to

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the effect that the day of the Lord

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has come. So what he does

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now is he switches topics. He

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says, hey, about the rapture, don't

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get confused, but the confusion

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comes if you think that the day of the

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Lord has arrived. Right. He said,

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now I'm going to talk about the day of

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the Lord. The day of the Lord is the

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seven year period of judgment. Exactly. That's going to

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land on the earth as

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a surprise. He said that in chapter or five

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of verses lines, it'll come on them when

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they say peace and safety, sudden destruction will come upon

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them. So he says, let

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no one deceive you in any way, verse three. For

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that day, now the word that day is not in

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the Greek. It's not,

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but the context, he just got done

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saying, let nobody be alarmed as if

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the day of the Lord has arrived.

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It's not even we'll come or even ask

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him, that the Greek is very specific, that

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the day of the Lord has arrived. He

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says, let no one deceive you, that

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day will not arrive unless

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the apostasy has come first. And

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the man of sin has been revealed, the sin

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of destruction. So what he's

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saying there is many people will

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say, oh, well,

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first of all, what happens has to happen before the

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rapture is the apostasy. Right. Well, first

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of all, the rapture is not, Nothing has to

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happen. No, and the rapture is not being talked

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about. He brought it up as an

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introduction into the day of the Lord topic. And

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then he says, by the way, oh, they go, oh,

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well, fine. Then the apostasy has to happen before the

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day of the Lord. If you

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notice in there, it never uses the word before.

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Right. Ever. Right.

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It says, it's basically saying, hey, if

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you thought, let's say that the conference

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started today, and

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yesterday you and I were something, oh, I'm on, I

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mean, everything's going so crazy. I feel like I'm in

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the conference. And I would say, hey, can't look. The

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conference cannot be here. Right.

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Because Billy speaks first. Right.

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Have we seen Billy speak first? No. So

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then we clearly can't be in the conference. And so that's

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what he's saying there. It's not that something Billy's gonna say,

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how could Billy speak before the conference? Right. He

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can't. Right. What Paul is saying is that

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the day of the Lord cannot have arrived. And

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he's saying, hey guys, do

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you see, have you seen the apostasy? No,

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then you're clearly the day of the Lord is not

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here. It has not arrived. Do you see

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the man of sin? No, well clearly the day of the Lord is

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not here. That's the flavor of what he's saying. Right.

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So one last question for you.

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So we talked about a great

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apostasy. The apostasy coming. So how

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can knowing that

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there's going to be a great apostasy

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bring hope to anyone? Well,

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it's gonna bring hope the same way

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that any aspect of the

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signs of the times can bring hope. It can

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only bring hope in an indirect way. So

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I like to tell people when you see a

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road sign that says ugly is five miles away.

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You know that before you come to

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ugly we're going up in the rapture.

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There you go. And so that's the

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way this works when we see this

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great apostasy building. We are

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really approaching so

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the world is actually completely filled with

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Antichrist darkness. Well before that comes to

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that place we have to go up.

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Amen. We do have to go up

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and that's what we look forward to.

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Amen. That's our blessed hope. Well friends

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thanks for tuning in this week. It's

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been great to have Lee with us.

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Hopefully you're encouraged and hopefully you're spurred

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on to be a Berean to study

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God's word. That's what should take up

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a majority of our time. Until next

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week, keep looking up for your salvation.

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