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1:04

At the Valley this morning.

1:07

Lads are working on shape. By

1:09

the way, there's a collector's item here. Chris Brown world-class

1:11

goal. In

1:14

that goal, the Jimmy Seed stand,

1:16

one of the best goals of all time, someone said. I

1:20

would say York. York of all time.

1:23

We're going to send Mattie the video. Mike

1:25

Bassett this week. Mike Bassett.

1:27

Dave.

1:29

Dave. You

1:32

went in so confident as well with a clap.

1:36

We've got a lot of crazy

1:38

gang stuff, haven't we? Like the proper, proper

1:40

crazy. So many stories of even

1:42

lads that have been managed by him. An absolute

1:46

football legend, I would say. Everybody

1:48

knows Harry Bassett, don't they? We've got a winner

1:50

as well from our new subscriber. Shut

1:53

competition. So we'll have that in the outro.

1:55

Right, let's get him in. Dave, Harry,

1:57

Mike Bassett.

2:20

Dave, thanks for joining us. Pleasure. How

2:23

do we go with Ari? Dave, what was it? Do

2:26

you remember John? Yeah, John, you've taken him

2:28

in that. Yeah, I remember John. Big Senate

2:30

forward. He was one of the boys who was going to be

2:32

the Golden Generation. He

2:35

didn't quite get there, but he was far off. Do

2:39

you remember? I was going to go to FF Yarrow,

2:41

I think it was, in Finland, was it? That's

2:45

right, yeah. Would you not know? That's

2:47

how much he fancied it. He

2:50

didn't want to send me to fucking Finland. No,

2:53

I mean, major players

2:55

went to Sweden and Finland and Norway.

2:58

It's a great experience

3:01

out there and it makes you different. You're

3:04

in the first team every week. You're better

3:06

than that other than the reserves.

3:09

I mean, Wimbledon, Dennis Wise,

3:11

Glenn Hodges, Kalki, they all went

3:13

out there and played and Vinny went

3:15

out before he even signed for it. When

3:20

he signed it from Wildstone, I said,

3:23

fuck off to Sweden until

3:26

August and come back. He thought he

3:28

was going to get in the team, didn't he, Susie? Come back,

3:30

shut up. Would

3:33

you just have contacts over there? You could ring up and see him. Yeah,

3:35

yeah, well, I know Roy Hodgson well. Roy

3:37

used to. All of them did well. They

3:40

all did well for me over there. None

3:43

of them messed about. They've still got the relationships

3:45

there now. No, it's been good.

3:48

No, I'm going, but I need an operation.

3:51

I'm going to be growing. Oh, right. I

3:53

just had to refuse to go. No, no, 17, 18, fuck that. No,

3:57

you'd have a great time. I wish I'd have. I

3:59

wish I'd have gone.

3:59

I think, yeah.

4:01

Yeah. You do. But injured, is what I call

4:03

it. Where does Harry come from? It's

4:05

my old man's name really. He was

4:08

Harry Arrold. And when I was at school,

4:11

there was a lot of daves in

4:13

the senior sort of school. And one of my mates,

4:16

Tony, he just started arrying

4:18

me. You and me. And I became Harry

4:21

and it just sort of stuck with me. I mean, it was

4:23

good for, you know, Wimbledon loved it

4:25

because, you know, it was the time Clint Eastwood and Dirty,

4:28

Dirty Harry and that. So when we've beaten

4:30

Liverpool up or beaten Spurs

4:33

up particularly, you know, it was Clint Eastwood

4:35

and me there, we'd become firemen. So,

4:39

you know, the press called it me. The

4:42

funny part was when I was at Southampton

4:44

with Harry Redknapp, it was a couple of times somebody

4:47

said, Harry. And I spoke up and he said, fuck off

4:49

with me. Were

4:54

you at Chelsea when you were? Yeah,

4:56

I was released at Chelsea. Yeah. Went

4:59

to Walsburg and played in the youth tournament

5:01

and everything else. And that was one of my first

5:04

interesting things. We played this Italian

5:06

side and I pulled out of

5:08

a tackle and Ronny Arrold said, you ever

5:10

pull out of a fucking tackle again, I'll kill

5:12

you. So I thought I ain't pulling out of any more

5:14

tackles. So

5:17

you just go on to play part time? Yeah,

5:20

yeah, I went to Hayes. I went and played

5:22

there and I was in the team at 17 and doing well, scoring

5:26

goals. And so it was great. I was like first

5:29

team football playing against men and

5:31

I learned a lot there, you know, with Hayes. And

5:34

then during that time, you know,

5:36

Watford came for me when I was 20 and I

5:39

went there on trial. But when

5:41

he offered me terms, but I was earning more

5:43

than they were offering me because I was

5:46

working for an insurance company. I

5:48

had a car, I had a cheap mortgage and

5:50

I thought, well, if it was

5:52

a big club in Watford, we're in the third division

5:54

south sort of thing at that time. I

5:57

just thought, no, I'm not sure it's for me, you and

5:59

me. Also, I've sussed

6:01

a little bit. I thought I'm not

6:03

really going to be bought by Leeds United

6:06

or Manish United or Chelsea.

6:09

I knew my limitations

6:11

to an extent. I was decent and that.

6:15

But I made a mistake. I

6:17

left Watford

6:19

and joined Hendon, who were at the

6:22

top non-league side at that time.

6:25

And I missed out playing at Wembley.

6:28

What happened is in the quarter... No,

6:30

it wasn't the quarter. Was it the quarter finals?

6:33

No, it was the quarter finals. Yeah, no. We

6:35

beat Wickham. I didn't play. I had the flu.

6:38

But Jimmy Quayle was a really good player we played for him.

6:40

And he broke his leg. So I was playing

6:42

on the Tuesday. And I thought on the Sunday

6:44

I'd go out and have a little game with my mates. And

6:47

keep fitness up. And I broke my bloody leg,

6:49

didn't I? So both

6:51

of us missed the final at Wembley. Who

6:53

gave a Sunday league? Yeah,

6:56

a Sunday league with a mate. I

6:59

mean, thick really. You're

7:03

just thinking, oh, I shouldn't be doing this. You

7:05

want men to. So I didn't play every week for him.

7:07

But he just said, you want to play. I

7:10

was just getting over the flu. And I thought, yeah, they've run

7:12

out. And of course it worked

7:14

against me. What kind of player were you? Did you get

7:17

stuck in? Yeah, I was more upfront

7:19

in the early days. For Hayes,

7:21

when I scored goals, I scored about 27 one

7:23

year. And I

7:26

was quite quick in that. I

7:28

want the best finisher. I took a

7:30

couple to finish. But

7:34

yeah, I've dug there. But then when I

7:37

broke my leg and I didn't play for 18 months.

7:39

And I went back to Hayes and

7:42

got in the team. And I was then

7:44

playing midfield. When after a broken leg, I ended

7:46

up going back to midfield. And I was

7:48

playing either an attacking midfield player or

7:50

sort of holding. I just sat

7:52

in there holding and kicked shit out of anybody's leg. When

7:57

you went to Wimbledon, Ryan, saying you won. the

8:00

league three years on the trot. Yeah, that's right.

8:02

Well, what happened is Alan Batsford, after

8:04

we won the amateur cup, I

8:07

stayed another year, but we lost our two strikers

8:10

to Hendon who paid more money and we

8:12

got knocked out in the quarterfinals. Then Alan

8:14

Batsford went to Wimbledon. He was asked to go to Wimbledon.

8:17

And he asked me and four other players to go

8:19

to Wimbledon with him to join

8:21

up with the others. And yeah, it worked out,

8:24

you know, with a small squad, you

8:26

know, we won the championship three years

8:28

on the trot. The first year we knocked

8:31

Bernal out the FA Cup in the third round.

8:33

We won one new up there, Leighton, James and

8:36

that mob. And then we had the draw at

8:38

Allen Road where I give a penalty away.

8:41

And I was did arias. Fucking Eddie Grey went

8:43

past me. I was convinced he hadn't. I

8:46

had a round with a fucking referee, didn't I?

8:48

I said to him, yeah, you need specs,

8:51

when they want specs, then it was, you know, he

8:53

tested his eyesight. He said, you got to tell me. I

8:55

said, yeah, he said, I said, you watch, I suggest

8:57

you watch it tonight. He said, because I think you'll

8:59

find it was a penalty. Eddie

9:01

came in. I just kicked him in the shin. But

9:07

Dickie, Dickie saved the penalty.

9:10

So he was the hero. And

9:12

then we lost one in the replay. 49,000 at Crystal Palace. Johnny

9:16

Joel shot. It came off me knee. I tried

9:19

to get Dickie shag. I've tried to

9:21

move out quick. And he's just caught me on the knee and

9:23

deflected past him. So it

9:25

was good. They were fucking good side. They were.

9:28

Must have been frustrating, but then within the league and

9:30

you had to get voted in. Yeah, you couldn't get

9:32

promoted in. So Ron nodes

9:35

who became the chairman, I knew he

9:37

was running a team called Southall and

9:39

Wimbledon was struggling. And I said, Ron,

9:41

why don't you come and have a world with Bernie? You

9:44

know, they step up from where you want. He was ambitious.

9:46

So he set up and he joined us halfway

9:49

through the second season, you

9:51

know, when we won it. And then what he did is he

9:53

went around the country, you know, you

9:56

know, getting votes from other clubs. You have to get

9:58

votes from other clubs to get promoted. That's

10:00

right. Yeah. Even if you won the league,

10:02

won the conference. Yeah, three years

10:04

on the chart. We went around campaigning.

10:07

We ran campaign. Yeah. Yeah.

10:09

So he campaigned and

10:11

we got in. Southport got kicked out. I

10:14

think it was ruthless. Well,

10:17

he did that very often. I

10:19

mean, if we hadn't won the league three years on the chart,

10:22

it wouldn't be like it was now. You know, yourself

10:24

in good stead. At least some of the crowds

10:27

that you're playing in front of for like non-league football.

10:29

Yeah. Well, what an inertia. You know,

10:31

they weren't that we had used to get three, three

10:33

and a half Wimbledon was low, but

10:36

when we had the good games, there was six or seven

10:38

or eight thousand. Yeah. I mean, as I say,

10:40

with the cup run, I mean, that was brilliant

10:42

with the leads that made it. You know,

10:45

yeah. And as I say, we got into

10:47

the league, but we were getting all old.

10:50

I was going to say, I will be when you finally

10:52

made your your league debut. I think

10:54

it was about 33 or something like that. Yeah. You

10:57

know, we were part time as well. But we

10:59

we had a good side. We had some good players, you know,

11:02

we were we knew what we were doing. You know, when

11:04

we played leads, we we had some,

11:06

you know, me and Selwyn Rice that he and

11:08

Cooky midfield, we didn't have no shit from anybody.

11:12

I mean, you know, Billy Bremner

11:14

did rice. He lovely just as he shot, you

11:16

know, says

11:18

he's got you, Selwyn. Did

11:22

you know it was funny there because there was

11:24

a rail, wasn't there? And everybody

11:27

thought it was there. And Johnny Joel's come

11:29

out up and he was he was having a mouth.

11:32

I said, fuck off. What do you know? And I poked him

11:34

straight in the eye. He went fucking Gary,

11:36

didn't he? I didn't. I wish

11:38

I could have said I meant to do it. But I didn't. It

11:40

was one of those. And everybody thought I'd done

11:43

him, you know, a bit of credence,

11:45

you know, but, you know, I mean, now when you see

11:47

the tackling and compared with what

11:50

was going on in those days, you played

11:52

a massive integral

11:54

part in the birth of Wimbledon

11:57

within the rise. You got the owners in. You're

12:00

playing in the promotion year,

12:02

first year in the league and then moving into... I

12:04

played all the gold of three years we won the championship

12:07

and then what happened is, you

12:09

know, after that Swansea game, Alan

12:11

Batsford at Christmas resigned

12:14

and the B Fair run off of me the job then. But

12:18

I said, look, I want to, you know, I've got me coaching

12:20

badges and that, I said I'd like to, but I

12:22

said, you know, I'm not experienced enough, you

12:24

know, I'm part-time, I'm not full-time. And

12:27

he said, well, I'm going to point Dario

12:29

as manager. He said, I said, all right. He said,

12:31

well, I'll have a work with him and see if he's prepared

12:34

to work with you as a system manager. How's that?

12:36

So I said, yeah, if he's prepared, but

12:39

no, he was good. And it was a great

12:41

three years. Dario kept us up

12:44

that year. He got promoted the following year. Then

12:46

he got relegated and then halfway

12:48

through the next season, I became manager. That

12:50

season in 1981, when I

12:53

took over, Ron nodes then went

12:55

the crystal palace. He bought crystal palace. He

12:57

bought crystal palace and left Sam and man at

13:00

Wimbledon. And I

13:02

got promoted to manager and Dario went to the

13:04

palace.

13:11

Well, I don't know whose idea it was. It's

13:13

Chelsea. It'd be a bit fished again. With

13:15

our at all. Like surely thinking

13:17

there's a chance of it. We said there'd be a red

13:19

car between Citi and Chelsea

13:22

and well, there should have been,

13:24

but there wasn't. Congratulations,

13:29

everyone who took up the fair play bet. Huge

13:31

thanks once again to purple ever sponsoring the series.

13:34

You're enjoying it. Yeah, very much so.

13:36

Yes, I agree. Last week when I bought, we

13:39

had our fibers on who'd lose the most weight this week. Well,

13:42

we didn't really had it. I have my fiber on. So

13:45

you grew yourself. No,

13:47

you weren't because you went on holiday. I know. Well,

13:50

if you were, you were wrongly confident.

13:52

So we had a way in. Earlier

13:55

and Christopher, congratulations. You are 10

13:57

pounds richer.

13:59

a pound lower. You are also 10

14:02

pounds richer. Just rammy

14:04

ass. So

14:08

this week we're going to plate the ore strengths. We've

14:10

got a live show frider. Yeah we

14:13

have. Who can drink, and

14:16

I'm sure this one, who can drink a pint. Who can tome

14:18

this. Yeah we're going to have to the

14:20

quickie. A pint challenge. It'll be a slow

14:22

race but a good race. It'll be a middle race. So

14:25

yeah, five to give. Not already getting

14:27

involved with the fur poi. Just bet we mates.

14:30

No bookies. Bit of fun with your mates.

14:32

Like we've just done. I bet you're five racking down

14:35

a pint quicker than you. But then if

14:37

you're playing golf I think it's perfect.

14:39

Game of FIFA. Quick yeah. It's

14:42

just all about having a bit of competitive fun. In fact

14:44

they don't take no commission do they? No

14:46

commission whatsoever. Put a five in a piece

14:48

and the ten is coming out one way or another.

14:51

And we've got our kosh bet. It's international

14:53

week isn't it? What we betting Chris?

14:55

All the British nations. Yep.

14:58

Remain unbeaten. So we've got Northern Ireland.

15:00

I don't know who they're playing. Scotland,

15:03

Wales, England. So we're saying

15:06

none of them are going to lose. None of them are going to

15:08

lose. So a fiver

15:10

on none of the British teams to

15:13

lose. Are you changing your voice in this

15:15

advert Chris?

15:17

I heard a little fiver.

15:19

We might hear many different voices I can get.

15:23

But no please don't gamble responsibly.

15:26

It's just a little bit of fun and you've got to be over 18 to

15:28

play. Yep. So if you're not already involved just download

15:31

the fur player app, use the code kosh and

15:33

then you'll get our bets sent to you. And then you can have

15:35

a bet with your mates as well.

15:42

Did you decide that it

15:45

was maybe time to put your

15:47

own stamp on in terms of a direct football?

15:49

The windmill. Yeah

15:52

yeah yeah. Well the year we got after

15:54

we got relegated I went

15:56

to the World Cup in... Where

16:00

I forget where it was, anyway, I'd seen somebody

16:02

playing with a sweeper and I liked it. And we

16:04

were top of the league, but we were,

16:08

I won't convince you with me, you know, and

16:11

I'm thinking, you know, I was brought up on direct

16:13

football to be, Alan Batsford was direct

16:16

and I thought, no, you know, I've got to do

16:18

it. And we lost a couple of games. Anyway,

16:21

we had a fortnight break and

16:23

I decided we were going to change. We

16:26

were going to go four,

16:27

two, four, or four, two,

16:30

three, four, or whatever it is. We

16:32

were going to basically man for man. If you were

16:34

the right winger, you

16:41

had to win your battle against your left back. If

16:43

the right back can't cope, fuck him, we'll get someone else.

16:48

I mean, that team that got us out of, we

16:51

won the fourth division championship. Well,

16:54

we ended up and I said we were going

16:56

to change. Wally and odds didn't want

16:58

to play the way I wanted to play. They

17:00

ran it. I was going to say, were there any pushback?

17:03

Yeah. Yeah. You know, so, but

17:05

like, you know, to be fair to them, they got on with

17:07

it. Did you do shape and stuff on the, on

17:10

the training pitches? How you wanted to play? Yeah.

17:12

Oh, I did shape every day. Nearly. Yeah.

17:15

Yeah. Just drill it into the players. Just

17:17

drill it into the players. Oh yeah. They were drilled.

17:20

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was

17:22

no messing. I mean, you know, I mean, off the field,

17:24

we could have a laugh. But when we was working, they didn't fuck

17:26

about then if they knew I had the, um, you

17:28

know, I mean, like Frenchie coming, he's got

17:31

the bastard head on donut set. This

17:34

is Frenchie. Yeah. And call Frenchy

17:36

the physio. That is French physio. Yeah.

17:39

Physio and that Frenchie. And

17:41

then Corky used to be when he did. Come

17:43

on, lads. Come on, lads. We've been running around the windmill.

17:45

Because I sometimes used to send off on a three

17:47

mile run. If they forgot me, um, go and fuck

17:49

off. Corky

17:53

and Wally and people who ate it running and

17:55

all that used to have the raving up. The

17:58

ones who were good runners just went off. on

18:00

the on Delet Frenchyde. You had

18:03

Frenchy Fisio from right from the start

18:05

didn't you? Yeah well he we got

18:07

him he was recommended he was at Barnet actually

18:10

we had a fellow called Owen Harris who was the physio

18:12

there but Owen had his own business

18:15

and he found that he you know was getting with

18:17

the traveling and everything else because he was like

18:19

part-time and that had been that

18:21

and yeah but you know Palomar

18:24

knew about Frenchie who was a

18:26

good mate of Vinnie Jones's funny now and

18:30

we took him there and he's a character

18:32

Frenchie he's fast and quick and you

18:34

know he's he's

18:36

four days speaking

18:39

of you he did say I was

18:41

the best signing he ever made but

18:43

he also called me an insignificant

18:45

little turd. That about

18:48

sums him up. Yeah that

18:53

about sums him up. I

18:55

mean he was brilliant Frenchie like

18:57

the bit of thing you know he had a machine

18:59

you know like with the ultrasound and he

19:02

talked to he used to talk to the players and convinced

19:04

them yeah you'll be all right with this ultrasound and

19:06

after time it wasn't even

19:09

on. He

19:12

was just rubbing it here he goes oh I feel much better

19:14

yeah that's right. Very

19:17

astute and very sharp

19:19

you know and he could

19:22

banter as well. Yeah he did that little crap.

19:24

And that so yeah so you know

19:27

basically yeah we did a lot of shape I worked

19:29

and you know the

19:31

players and set plays you know we

19:33

were brilliant at set plays. I mean how

19:36

did you even find some of these players? I

19:38

didn't even realize Nigel Winterburn was at Wimbledon.

19:40

Yeah I mean he was a he was a free

19:42

transfer from Birmingham. I met Nigel

19:45

on the A40 near London. I got

19:47

out shook hands it was the wettest fucking hand I've

19:49

ever seen in my life. I thought this is

19:52

one of my crunching left backses if I can

19:54

roll on. Oh you must

19:58

see him in wet as in soft. So,

20:00

yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

20:03

It wasn't the firm, you know, he was always a firm

20:05

stand shake. Nigel's was... Anyway,

20:08

he... He came

20:11

in and trained with us. Anyway, what

20:13

happened is Gagee was playing left back. If

20:15

I moved Gagee to left back, he

20:18

was right footed. He could do it. You with me? Anyway,

20:22

we were playing Chelsea that night. Anyway,

20:25

Gagee's got a little, you know,

20:27

problem with his leg. And Frenchy said, oh,

20:29

yeah, I'll take him off, Harry. And, you know, I thought, yeah,

20:31

we've got the game Saturday. Take him off. So I

20:33

thought, I'll throw Nigel on. Let's see what he does.

20:36

Well, you know, nothing for a few minutes. And all

20:38

of a sudden, he's picked the ball up and he's fucking slung

20:40

it about 50 yards. Did

20:45

I see what I saw? And that. And,

20:47

yeah, then all of a sudden, Phil Driver,

20:49

who was... Who was

20:51

it playing for them? We'd sold him to Chelsea

20:54

and everything else. Quick. All of

20:56

a sudden, he's gone. I thought, this is interesting. Nigel's

20:58

glided up, took the ball from no problems at all.

21:01

Then all of a sudden, he's gone into a crunching

21:03

tackle with Kerry Dixon, you know, and got

21:06

up and poked him. And I thought, fucking

21:08

hell, what's happened there? And,

21:11

you know, he was there. Anyway, he played

21:13

that Saturday. He was prior to the season for

21:15

the four seasons he was there. Absolutely

21:18

brilliant. Yeah. That's back. Yeah. If

21:20

you had your way, you'd have sold him after the handshake. Yeah,

21:23

that's right. Yeah. Sent him back. Yeah,

21:25

amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, good lad as

21:27

well, Nigel. Yeah, I mean, that side,

21:29

you know, where we come to later in

21:31

the, you know, in the top division,

21:34

you know, was unbelievable.

21:36

But but as I say, we that we, you

21:39

know, that was Nigel joined us in the we won

21:41

the fourth division championship. He came the

21:43

following season when we got promoted

21:46

with the on the, you know, with Oxford in

21:48

the third division at that time. And there were

21:50

some good sides around then. We'd, you

21:52

know, we'd matured, you know, I mean, a

21:54

lot of our players had played well over 100 games,

21:57

you know, even though there was still only 21 on 20. to

22:00

and we had a great spirit as well and off

22:03

the park and that they used to go out I mean

22:05

they used to meet up mid-week and go and have a you

22:08

know down the pub and do do the

22:10

business and you know go pulling birds

22:12

or whatever they would do you up to that because

22:14

obviously you made this

22:17

yeah crazy gang yeah

22:20

yeah we made it you know we

22:23

wanted them to enjoy themselves because our facilities

22:26

and all that want the best in the world all about

22:28

togetherness you're happy for them to go out yeah

22:30

yeah yeah you're past the

22:32

team you know I mean you're telling them to

22:34

be careful you know one or two things

22:36

got a bit close on one or two occasions you

22:39

know because we had a few nutters you know Wally

22:41

Downs was a nutter and you know Mark

22:44

Morris when he was on his going odds

22:46

could be and that you know and did

22:49

it go too far sometimes yeah

22:52

I heard it did you a few times you

22:55

just turn a blind eye yeah yeah yeah you have

22:57

to sort of you know you've got but

23:00

but but I was brought up in non-league sea and we

23:02

we had a good laugh I

23:04

wanted a laugh after that you know I enjoyed

23:07

it you know have a beer we go out and

23:09

you know play hard you know live

23:12

you know good and the the players were

23:14

but were good they were good together they built a spirit

23:16

they ruled for one you know they were in

23:18

there and they were characters I was

23:20

lucky you know that you know that there

23:23

was plenty who had you know knew

23:25

what they wanted Bessent was good you know Downs

23:28

was a terrific you know he's a good coach and you

23:30

know knew what he was doing bright as a button Wally, Odges

23:33

knew what he was doing a good player, Kalki

23:35

knew you know they were all quite bright you

23:37

know and Winterburn was quiet but

23:39

he knew what he was doing again before

23:41

we got up I mean I don't know if you first of all

23:43

we got out of the third division okay

23:46

and my contract was up and Sam

23:49

was being a bit awkward with me and Ron

23:51

Nodes came in off of me the palace

23:53

job and Ron convinced me

23:55

because I'd known Ron I used to go to school

23:57

with his brother and Ron ran

23:59

us youth side that I used

24:01

to play in at that time. I mean I wasn't

24:04

buddy-buddy Viron but I knew him and he

24:06

had been at Wimbledon and you know I'd got him

24:08

to Wimbledon via Southall, he

24:10

went to Palace and he convinced me

24:13

Palace was better equipped, bigger crowds,

24:15

a bit more money, not that he was offering

24:17

me much more money. I

24:19

think he did so I just didn't deserve it but

24:22

I accepted it and then I went away

24:24

and that night I was, I

24:26

went to a dinner the football writers and a few people said

24:28

Harry what are you doing? You

24:30

and those of you fall out in no time at all

24:33

you know which I wouldn't have done because I knew how

24:35

to handle runs or some extent and then

24:37

I woke up and I thought no I don't worry I

24:39

think I've got a good side here. Did you sign the

24:41

contract? Yeah well no I hadn't signed

24:43

the contract you know. But I didn't mean like released

24:45

in the press or anything like that. Yeah yeah it was there

24:48

on a Saturday morning I was going there but the

24:50

door was still open. Sam never forgive me

24:52

for going. So did you ring Sam up and say

24:54

oh do you know what? Well Stanley

24:57

Reedy who was the chairman

24:59

sort of was there and you

25:01

know I just said no I want to you know

25:03

and I just rang Stanley

25:06

in the morning I said look I've got second doubts I

25:08

don't really want to go to Palace you know do you

25:10

still want me back at Wimbledon? Of course we do you

25:12

know we haven't got a manager and it

25:14

was the best thing I did because our team was good

25:17

and the Palace team weren't very good at all. They

25:19

had a lot of older players Jim Cannon you

25:22

know they were all okay

25:25

but they weren't going to buy into what I wanted to do.

25:27

Did the relationship with Sam unchanged from

25:29

that point? No not really he was still

25:31

okay but he never forgive me you know I mean

25:33

I still speak to him now he's in Lebanon

25:36

you know and I mean you know he never paid

25:38

me fuck all really. I made

25:40

him a multi-millionaire with that team. How

25:44

was the conversation with Ron Nodes when you said

25:46

you didn't understand? To be fair they all bled

25:48

out all the press everybody thought Ron had

25:51

done something to upset me and he hadn't. I

25:53

just said Ron no I've made a mistake

25:55

you've convinced me because it was you I thought

25:57

yeah it's gone I thought I just don't feel...

26:00

I don't feel right, I don't feel it's right for me. You

26:02

know, I said it'd be wrong for me to come and

26:04

I don't want to come. And he was all right. And I tried to say

26:06

at the press, but they all thought that Ron had

26:08

done something. But it turned out right, because

26:10

Stevie Cottwell went there and that worked out well

26:12

for him. Just going back to that crazy

26:15

young mentality, was that by design

26:17

from you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have signed

26:20

lunatics. No, not really. I

26:22

knew I wanted people with characters. I mean, you

26:24

know, when I was in that Walton team and then

26:26

when I come to Wimbledon, you know, with Dicky Guy

26:28

and all that, I was messing

26:31

about. And we had other people

26:33

like Roger Connell and Kieran Summers and

26:35

Billy Edwards who come, who were good lads,

26:37

you know, and we created a spirit, you know,

26:40

and Wimbledon boys brought into

26:42

it as well. You know, I mean, Dicky used to be coming with

26:44

a tie on of jackets,

26:47

a suit and everything else. We're all turning

26:49

up in fucking tracksuits and jeans. What are you doing,

26:51

Dick? You're silly cunt, you're playing football. Oh,

26:54

sorry, I shouldn't have used that. Sorry, I

26:56

was telling you. I had a big one. Dick,

26:58

what the fuck are you doing? You know, he was

27:01

in the toilet one day and I slung

27:03

Karbolic over the top of the toilet. Three

27:06

what? Karbolic, it's a cleaner.

27:10

Dick was gonna, so he got hold of me and

27:12

said, we're gonna have a fight. Come on, let's go in the

27:15

boot room and have it out. I said, oh, shut up, you prick.

27:21

But then he turned into another Dick. After

27:24

that, he become, yeah, every

27:26

team I've played for, the

27:28

spirit is there, you know, you gotta have characters.

27:31

You can't, you know, when you do that, it's a hard

27:33

way to manage. They're gonna speak up, they're

27:35

gonna do things. They're not gonna just go

27:37

along and agree with you. But rather than

27:39

players play for me, who walk out the door

27:42

and he's a wanker or you know, this, that

27:44

and the other. It was very hard because, you

27:46

know, I used to be, when we was out, we went to end the

27:48

season tour and all that, there

27:50

was, you know,

27:53

there was Harry. They just called me

27:55

Harry and, you know, they'd take the piss

27:57

or whatever it was and, you know, various.

28:00

I mean, on one particular occasion

28:02

we was in Spain and we

28:05

were there and we were talking at

28:07

the edge of the pool and everything else. And

28:10

these two birds

28:13

and everything else, they were there. All of a sudden

28:15

I've gone, a chair, she's

28:17

gone, Ed first straight in the pool. And

28:20

all of a sudden I thought, shit, I better go in and get her out. So

28:24

I dived in there

28:26

and I'm getting her and I can feel something tugging

28:28

at me. Wally's trying to get me swimming

28:31

trunks off while I'm getting her out there under the pool.

28:34

He succeeded. He

28:37

succeeded. So she's come out. Anyway,

28:39

there's a bit of a kerfuffle when that,

28:41

anyway, I've been

28:44

in the end, I just got out and

28:47

they did and all of a sudden the managers come, I

28:49

want you slung out of the hotel. Who's the manager?

28:51

So I've got the Jeff, my assistant in. So

28:55

he's got to go and Wally had to go as well.

28:59

He's got to go. Who's

29:04

the manager? So do

29:06

you know, obviously if that's how you were, you

29:09

can't really recommend your players if they

29:11

take it a little bit too far with a character. No, no, you've got

29:14

to go with characters. I mean, there's a time

29:16

and you have to go

29:18

along with it. If you live on the edge of

29:20

it, with it, there's

29:22

going to be times where people are going

29:25

to criticize you or be what it

29:27

was. But you had that feeling

29:29

for one another, you know, it was all

29:32

together that we wanted to operate.

29:34

Would you ever settle in a lads

29:36

like just going to start a fight? What

29:38

did you mean in the dressing room or in the tunnel?

29:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we used

29:43

to, we when I first took over and all that,

29:45

most of the way I used to have a bundle,

29:47

didn't we all find one another on

29:49

the way home from Darlin and or Shrewsbury or

29:51

wherever it was in the coach, Ray Lewinson

29:54

come on as a

29:56

join us and we were all

29:59

beating Ray out because. Dario was a

30:01

favorite. Dario was ex-Chelsea

30:03

and he was telling us how great Ray was and all

30:05

this and so Ray become the golden boy.

30:07

We ain't having that. Come on lads. It was part

30:12

and parcel. When

30:14

I was at Shelford United, Brad Shore

30:17

and Ned Kelly had a bundle,

30:19

had a joint and Brad said,

30:22

oh, now I'm in, what are you on a Irish

30:24

twat or something like that.

30:27

So it was all part of the bonding and everything

30:29

else. I remember growing up, new

30:32

players signed for Wimbledon always got it, didn't they?

30:34

Was that just a part of the culture? Yeah, yeah,

30:36

yeah. A new sign came in. Someone

30:38

was having to get their thousands of calls. We

30:41

had a goalkeeper from Lincoln.

30:43

He couldn't deal with it. Ian Allaway couldn't deal with

30:46

it. Ian thought we bullied. Ian's

30:49

a great little lad and he was there. So

30:51

you sort of said,

30:54

well, it was important. I mean, it

30:56

was, I suppose people would call it bullying

30:58

now or whatever it was, but it was all part and parcel.

31:01

No, they didn't, you

31:04

didn't get hurt. They weren't there. But

31:06

it bred a thing where, if

31:08

you made a mistake, they were onto you.

31:11

You with me? I didn't sometimes have to bother. Corky

31:13

would be coming in and having a row with

31:15

you because you ain't done your job except play

31:17

or all that. They were all into it

31:20

there. And you took it. Vinny in the

31:22

first period was making mistakes.

31:24

He was getting well-coated,

31:27

well and truly, but he knew it was part of

31:30

the upbringing to bring you together and

31:32

that and make some for what they've done. They've

31:35

all had decent careers. They've been,

31:38

they're prepared to stand up and be counted.

31:40

There's some embellished stories. Don't

31:43

worry about Wimbledon. I've heard of Wimbledon

31:45

one or two on podcasts and that. And I'm thinking,

31:47

yeah, hold on, you got that wrong. You

31:50

know, I can't imagine Vinny Jorn's

31:52

having a wet handshake. No, no,

31:54

no, Vinny. How did you find

31:56

him? Well, we

31:59

released him. He came, I said,

32:01

no, he wasn't good enough with the

32:03

youth. And then he went back and he ended

32:06

up playing for Alan Batsford, that manager I told

32:08

you, he played for Wildstone. And

32:11

Alan come back, he said he's ready, he's ready

32:14

to come. He said he's enthusiastic, he's

32:16

fit as a fiddle, he's strong, he's

32:18

a good character down on it, and we signed

32:21

him. Watching some

32:23

of his tackles, he ever think, oh, fucking Elvina,

32:25

that's a bit too long. Oh, yeah,

32:27

yeah, yeah. Oh, I mean, he was dozes at times,

32:30

wasn't he? I mean,

32:32

what about when he was part of a show of delight

32:34

and he's sent off in four seconds

32:36

and just went through Peter Reed. Soon

32:38

as it went back, he flat flattened

32:41

him. So I ain't too

32:43

happy about that being Doby, you know what I mean as

32:45

well. That wasn't part

32:47

of the character, that was being a complete idiot.

32:51

But it was a side that

32:54

stood up for itself and

32:55

believed in it. They believed in the end,

32:57

the way they were playing, it wasn't necessarily

33:00

why they wanted to play. Gagee,

33:03

Wally, Oj would want to

33:05

play a bit different. Winterburn was

33:07

quite happy with the way he was. The rest of the boys were

33:09

there. But I mean,

33:11

yeah, I look at it, that team, you know,

33:13

we eventually got up to the top league

33:16

and that first season, we got to the quarterfinals

33:19

of the FA Cup. We knocked Everton

33:21

out, who were the cup holders. And

33:24

then we beat Portsmouth 4-0, Alan

33:27

Ball got fucked off there. They beat

33:30

us in the league game, didn't they? And he was giving it plenty.

33:32

So they said to him after the

33:34

game, that's the final and the end

33:37

lesson, Ball, he'd just been done fucking

33:39

5-0 in the cup. Was

33:43

it like an us and them thing? Was it like

33:45

an us and them mentality, where you loved

33:47

the fact that people are like, fuck me, I had to win more than... Yeah,

33:50

you were. Well, we knew in the end, we could tell.

33:55

The teams didn't fancy it. They

33:58

knew we were fit, we were fucking fit. You

34:00

know, could you beat some teams in the in the tunnel?

34:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then characters.

34:06

Yeah, and Wimbledon's play-al-lay was a good

34:08

playing surface. It wasn't the most elaborate,

34:10

but you think it's like Millwall.

34:13

Nobody likes going to Millwall, you know,

34:16

and we just knew

34:18

that the thing was, we were strong,

34:21

you know, we were strong, we were big, we,

34:23

you know, and they knew we was good at corners

34:25

and things like that. And, you know, they

34:28

didn't take any prisoners, you know, and

34:30

we went for the ball. We made good runs as well.

34:32

We never stood there, you know,

34:35

you at least had a run of more

34:37

than 10 yards because you got to

34:39

lose the player where he, you know, if

34:41

he's grabbing a hold of your shirt or something and you're running

34:44

away from him, you know, then it's a problem. You

34:46

with me? Yeah, the

34:49

players bought into it and they believed in

34:51

it. And in the end, it was like clockwork.

34:53

I didn't have to say anything because they were in there

34:55

and they'd police their own dressing room

34:58

because if you'd messed up, you

35:00

were told by not, you didn't need to be told

35:02

by me. But I mean, that team that

35:04

finished six in the league

35:06

as well. I mean, you know, right

35:08

at the end, we won one, the old Trafford.

35:11

Why is he scored? I mean, you know, I saw

35:13

him why is he with the year before he was 18,

35:16

you know, he made his debut against Sheffield

35:18

United. And he'd

35:20

been released from so far. Yeah.

35:23

When he wanted to release, he couldn't agree terms

35:25

with Laurie McMenamy. And he was

35:27

if he gets the ump, he got it. And

35:29

then we managed to he was trying the Crystal Palace

35:31

and I found out and our scout went over

35:33

and said, come, Harry, you know, Wally knew his dad. So

35:36

he came to play. Well, is he and

35:38

that and he was he scored the winner

35:40

with 10 men. We beat the old man,

35:42

you know, the old Trafford one nil. And then

35:44

we went to Liverpool and beat him to one

35:47

and ever someone asked. And when they

35:49

won the league on that one again with

35:51

players who were good. I mean, we

35:54

had a 23 man squad and 13

35:57

in that squad come through to use to.

35:59

They. the youth team, Brian Gail the

36:01

youth team, Andy Thorne the youth team,

36:04

Mark Morris the youth team, Wally

36:07

Downs the youth team, Glynodge is the

36:09

youth team, Fishington

36:12

the youth team, we had 13. Oh,

36:15

there was some boys like Simon,

36:17

Tracey and Gannon who threw

36:20

the youth team but they didn't play that year. So

36:23

we had an Andy Sayre came through the youth

36:25

team. So we had 13 players out

36:27

of 23 who had cost the club

36:29

no money and that best of all.

36:31

You got four promotions with them players. Yeah,

36:34

well there were seven of those players like

36:37

played in all the leagues, you know

36:39

the fourth division, third division, second

36:41

division and the top, you know seven players

36:44

played in all those leagues to

36:46

get to the top and have games. I was

36:48

just wondering because no if one player makes

36:50

that journey it's like and you've got

36:53

a kid at Lawton, isn't there?

36:57

Yeah, you do yeah, it's

36:59

unusual but for us you know you talk

37:02

about that team, Sam

37:04

sold that team that I got there for

37:06

over 10 million quid. You'd

37:10

make him some money didn't you? Yeah, well Besant went

37:12

for 900 grand, thought it's a new

37:15

castle, Thorne went for 900, Wisey went for 1.65 to

37:17

Chelsea, Fash went to Aston Villa for 1.5,

37:22

Gagee went to Aston Villa for 300, Oj

37:25

went to Newcastle for 300, they should have been

37:29

more, Vinny went to Leeds for 600 good.

37:32

And with that are you in charge

37:34

of wages, contracts? Yeah, I did the

37:36

whole lot, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

37:39

yeah, yeah, yeah, I did the lot. I did

37:41

all the wages, transfers, I used to do

37:43

the deals with the transfers, nothing else. Totally

37:45

what a manager is, a manager now doesn't

37:48

do those things, you can't, the times change but

37:50

I did everything, you know. When it came to

37:52

leaving was that a reason for leaving? Well

37:55

it was because I couldn't agree with Sam, Sam,

37:58

Sam you know all the fans are singing his only

38:00

one day Bassett Sam felt

38:02

he'd saved the club and he should have

38:04

been a credit and

38:07

he was being awkward with the contract you know

38:09

and that's so... One

38:12

summer man! It

38:16

was you know again we used to have a bit of friction

38:18

we were played West Ham in the FA Cup and we'd

38:20

had a draw and there was a fiasco

38:22

on the tickets and I sort of said more

38:25

or less so-and-so and we were trained

38:27

at Bishop and Abby and Alan Gillette who was my

38:30

assistant come out and said Sam's on the phone he wants

38:32

you I said tell him to fuck off I'm training

38:34

and Alan said fuck off and he said no

38:37

Sam wants to speak to you he said David

38:39

get in your car and come up to the club I want to

38:41

speak to you I said I'm training I want

38:43

to speak to you I'm the other manager and

38:46

this that and the other and I thought oh

38:48

fuck it I'm upset him what's he gonna do anyway

38:50

he's got a load of paper like you've got there and

38:53

he's gone David that's out of order

38:55

you're stepping up your things he said if

38:57

you don't behave he said this is what your contracts

38:59

worth to me and tore out and threw it in the box

39:02

just to let me know that he was in charge What

39:05

was he saying that you were doing? Because I'd criticized

39:07

the club for the about the tickets

39:11

for the replay or whatever it was Yeah

39:14

he wanted to be there you know

39:16

he thought he wasn't getting the credit and

39:19

so in the end but of course you

39:21

know and I went to Watford which

39:23

was a mistake but I didn't know what to go

39:25

it's seen the ideal move but it wasn't the ideal

39:28

move really because Graham

39:30

Taylor was about to leave he was a god and

39:32

love there do you know what I mean and it was like Alec

39:34

Ferguson retiring and when I got the

39:37

John Barnes was sold to Liverpool

39:39

you know Mark Falco was going to Glasgow

39:42

Rangers Kevin Richardson had sorted Arsenal

39:44

out Dave Barley had sorted QBR out

39:49

and I didn't know that yeah I

39:51

didn't know if I'd have known I mean if I'd have known

39:53

I should have had somebody mark me card

39:55

you know but it seemed ideal where I

39:57

lived not far from the club it seemed

39:59

the next step move. I was being interviewed

40:01

by Manchester City, they were still humming and auring,

40:04

but they gave it to Mel Machen. I mean,

40:07

in fairness, I don't think I would have got that,

40:09

you know, at times. Was it difficult

40:11

watching, because obviously you left in 1987 and

40:14

then Wimbledon won the FA

40:17

Cup in 1988? Yeah, yeah. Watching

40:19

your team. Yeah, well, that's right. No, it was great.

40:21

I wanted them to win it. I

40:24

was at Wembley when they won it, and they did brilliant.

40:26

Vinny and Bess and them come round, they were all showing

40:29

me the cup. And, you know, to be fair to

40:31

Bobby Gould, he said it was Harry's team,

40:33

but more or less. And that, yeah, I mean, I

40:35

was, that night, the next day I was

40:38

with Shelby United at Barnsley playing

40:40

Bristol City to stay in the

40:43

league. You know, it was when the third from bottom

40:45

played the other and we lost 1-0, you

40:48

know, so it was relegation. But

40:50

it was the best thing that happened because the Shelby

40:52

United team were all old. Then there

40:54

was people who had been on loan from

40:57

Ken McNaughton, Phil Thompson, you

41:00

know, they were all old. So I could, and

41:02

their contracts were up, so I could get rid of them and

41:04

start all over again and build a new

41:06

side. Can you remember much about Vinny's half-time

41:09

speech? The

41:12

Pheasant and the Phoenix. Oh,

41:15

yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit of an exaggeration.

41:19

Yeah, it was, yeah, it was

41:22

one of the funny things. We were playing at

41:24

Everton and, you know, Everton were

41:26

very direct, although they didn't say that. They were

41:28

direct for about 20, 25 minutes

41:31

and then when it got down,

41:33

they scored, got in front, they started to play a bit

41:35

different than that. And anyway, with

41:37

one new half-time, just

41:40

before half-time, and we can see the goal and

41:42

Vinny was meant to be marking Van Dannow,

41:44

I think it was, there.

41:47

He was marking and all of a sudden he don't go

41:49

with him or whatever it is. And

41:51

Sharp, he flicked it on and it

41:54

was in, you know, with two-nil, not fucking twat.

41:59

I won't go for him straight away. One

42:02

or two of the others were giving him some and

42:04

everything else. But it

42:06

was funny, we came in and all

42:09

of a sudden, I thought, gotta start

42:12

somewhere. And I said, well, our attitude ain't

42:14

right. We ain't competing with air. And there

42:16

was a sweep paper on the floor and

42:18

I swung my left foot and

42:20

the flip was a slip

42:22

on. It's gone flying out. And like, if you can

42:24

imagine, it's going towards

42:26

the showers and the toilet and everything else.

42:29

And Bessin sitting next to the

42:31

door and I'm thinking, he goes in. I thought,

42:33

fucking hell, he can't even stop me shoe. And he's

42:36

my goalkeeper. Anyway,

42:42

then we come back and that, then it was sort

42:44

of like, Vinny, what happened

42:47

with Van Der Nijer? He said, well,

42:49

Harry, I told him sharp, he was fucking

42:51

his missus. Oh, well, that's very

42:53

good, Vinny. Did he then,

42:55

Pat said, oh, thanks very much, Vinny for that. I'm

42:57

going to do him at this corner. I said, he didn't. He

43:00

said, yeah, he fucking mugged me, didn't he? Was

43:06

it one of them with Vinny Jones where you could just give

43:09

him some of the half time, give him some of the full time and he'd just

43:11

take it. Did they ever come back to you and you

43:14

had a tear up or? No, really,

43:16

no, never, no, no, he took it. He

43:19

took it. Normally you were right, you

43:21

know, and didn't say anything stupid, you know. Could

43:23

you push these buttons? You know, like, half

43:25

time, no, I'm to get, well,

43:28

Vinny was always high up there and

43:31

ready to go. So you were calming him down, you

43:33

know, and, you know. Also,

43:35

as the other way, you were calming him down. I can't

43:37

imagine if you get him going too much,

43:39

you're thinking this could be neck eye. You can't

43:42

post to the knee, this neck eye could be neck eye.

43:44

You know, I mean, it was when we played Arsenal

43:46

Christmas and we lost

43:49

3-0 and Steve

43:51

Williams was there playing for the

43:53

Arsenal, you know, Tony

43:55

Adams, all that mob, you know, great back four and

43:58

Kenny Sampson, all that. And

44:00

Williams was giving it, you know, the planes ain't going

44:02

over a hybrid day because Wimbledon are playing here,

44:05

you know, saw comments like that. We put

44:07

the ball in the bucket of ice and anyway,

44:11

we've lost 3-0, the referees give them a diabolical

44:13

penalty, but they score a great free kick. And

44:16

as we're coming off, I'm, Dave Williams

44:18

is there, I thought, I said, you, you little prick,

44:21

I said, you got to come to Plough Lane because

44:23

you're fucking going to get it, you know, me and

44:25

everything else. And that, you know, you had

44:27

vintage gone, yeah, you're right, new Welsh

44:29

prick. I said, he ain't fucking Welsh. I said,

44:32

you check. Anyway, what's

44:34

happened is we get him,

44:39

you know, got his Williams in his head. He

44:46

went over his head anyway. Anyway,

44:50

when we've come, he's, we played

44:52

and that, you know, and I've sort of given it, this Williams

44:55

had plenty of say, we don't, you know, let him know we're

44:57

about and this, that and the other and everything else. Anyway,

45:00

Vinny gets sent off, didn't he? And

45:03

we're down to 10 men and Merce was making

45:05

his debut and scored and everything else. And

45:07

he said, and then we come and he said, oh, Harry, I'm

45:09

sorry, I've let you down. My mum and dad are upstairs.

45:12

I've let them down. You know, I've let the team

45:15

down and I said, fuck him right you have and

45:17

everything else. I said, well, what was

45:19

he doing? He said, I

45:21

said, what are you doing? Smacking Rixy.

45:24

He said, was that Rixy? I thought it was

45:26

Williams. Poor old

45:29

Rixy took that. Was

45:33

he just leered him out? Is

45:38

he just leered him out? Yeah, you give him a clump

45:40

and he, you know, the wrong man. Well,

45:45

it's correct. Kenny

45:47

Sampson tells me a great story. He

45:51

said, you know, they're defending and

45:54

he said, all of a sudden I'm found on Mark

45:56

and Vinny. I'm thinking, fucking

45:58

hell, this is a bit of a mismatch. He said,

46:00

Vinny's got his hand around me, back

46:02

at me next day. Fucking hell, you little

46:04

dwarf, you're mocking me. Did

46:11

you know that whenever you left Wimbledon, whichever

46:13

club you went to, that's the kind of change room you wanted. Players

46:16

and characters like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:18

But, you know, I built a new team

46:20

at Sheffield United, you know, built based on

46:22

that, because the good thing, as I said, the

46:25

players that were there when I went, they

46:28

were a poor team. You know, I only

46:30

had to keep a few of them, and none

46:33

of them really survived the trip,

46:35

you know, all the way back, because

46:37

we came up straight away from the third

46:39

division and then the second division

46:42

and back in, you know. Chris Wilder state

46:44

got made it. Chris was... He stayed

46:46

through that there. There weren't many. It was a new

46:48

team, Brian, Dean and Agana. I went back

46:50

to Watford for Agana, and

46:53

Dean had been recommended to me by

46:56

Keneer. And that was

46:58

at Doncaster at the time. And then we had

47:01

Dane Whitehouse and Mitch Waldorf,

47:03

Sheffield boys in the youth team coming through.

47:06

You know, I brought Beasley in, Brian

47:08

Gell, I brought in... You talk a lot of

47:10

that Wimbledon to them then, you see. John

47:13

Gannon and Simon Tracy, the keeper. You

47:15

know, we got them from Wimbledon. They were cheap,

47:18

you know, so... Trying to rebuild that mentality. Yeah,

47:20

that's right. Yeah, we did. We had it. Yeah, it was different, different,

47:22

but very similar. Oh, good bunch of lads,

47:24

they were... How was Dean all with that

47:26

mentality? Because

47:29

he's completely opposite of a Millwall

47:31

type, Wimbledon type player. Yeah, he is, yeah.

47:33

But he brought into it, you know, in a different way. He

47:35

was his own way. To be fair,

47:38

no-one messes with Fesh at Wimbledon. He

47:40

said, look, I don't mind being part of the gang, but just leave

47:43

me alone. And he didn't get involved in

47:45

any of the pranks, you and me. You know? I

47:47

just watched from afar. Yeah, I just watched

47:50

all the chaos. He didn't, but

47:52

he was part of it. It's not like we kicked

47:54

off on a Saturday or anything. He was all

47:57

right, you and me. But speaking of

47:59

the pranks, who...

47:59

who stole Eric Dooley's wooden leg? Oh,

48:03

well, no, that was after we beat

48:05

Wednesday. I don't know, well, yeah,

48:07

they may have stole, but the one that I'm thinking

48:09

about, we beat Wednesday 2-0 home. We

48:12

were down the bottom, you know, and we

48:14

beat them 2-0, and Derek loved it,

48:16

because it was Wednesday, and he'd fallen out with Wednesday,

48:19

and I remember Frenchie and John

48:22

Greaves, our physio, and that, we were all

48:24

carrying him, and he says, if anybody

48:26

says I'm fucking legless, they're gonna get it.

48:29

And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:32

He was a character as well,

48:34

Derek, you know, great fella, and

48:36

that, you know. What happened when you got sent

48:39

off against Udinese? Udinese,

48:41

yeah, yeah, that was that Anglo-Italian

48:43

Cup, wasn't it? Well, I think Blakey

48:46

got sent off first, and

48:48

then Charlie Hartfield

48:52

got sent, and then Oj, and then

48:54

what's happened is that the referees come over, I

48:56

give him the wanker sign, then

48:59

I was sent off, weren't I? And

49:02

then the funniest part was that they

49:04

got a free kick, weren't they? Wally's gone, well,

49:06

fuck now, the wall's already in the dressing

49:08

room. Because

49:11

he can't even escape, that's universal, isn't it?

49:14

No matter what colour you're in, the wanker's red. So

49:17

I put Wally in charge of that, and,

49:19

you know, it was a sign. We

49:24

didn't really need it as such, you

49:26

know, to go to those games, and he

49:29

used it with the younger ones and various

49:31

things, you know.

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50:07

What's he go that? Much correct on Billy Whitehurst.

50:10

Oh Bill, yeah I didn't, I got on well with

50:12

Bill, you know. I mean you had to be careful how

50:14

you treated Billy, you know. But he was,

50:16

you know, the thing was Bill, you knew he sort

50:19

of, you know, lived close with

50:21

the drink and all that, but he never,

50:23

when he came in the train he trained, you never knew that he

50:25

was either pissed or not, you know. And he

50:28

got on with it and he'd fall out. He used

50:30

to train and if you didn't train properly you

50:32

used to, you know, give him some, you know. Turn

50:34

as you play. Yeah, yeah. And that,

50:36

you know, and he was there. It was serious. I mean one

50:39

morning we had Paul Wood on the right

50:41

wing, you know, Paul was quite skillful,

50:43

but he had, he won these like Beagley, he wanted

50:46

too many touches and everything else. And we're doing

50:48

a crossing practice and a bit of phase

50:50

tacking play. Anyway, Woody's

50:53

gone to go to check the play and Bill's

50:55

made a run and Woody's

50:57

turned and gone out the other way. Then he's come

50:59

back and then done another one. Bill's gone in again

51:02

and Woody's not there. And then about

51:04

to finish, he said to Woody, you do that

51:06

fucking again, you're going to get a right

51:09

hander. Now I don't mind going once

51:11

and I don't mind going two, but don't take the piss,

51:13

he said, because I'm just ready to go to

51:16

get on that cross. Anyway, Woody

51:18

did it a couple of times, first of all, then all of a sudden

51:21

he did it, didn't he? And Bill's gone, that's

51:23

it! And Woody's fucking legged it. Woody's

51:27

gone and Bill's chasing him up

51:29

the university. Bill's chasing

51:31

him. I said to Woody, what do

51:33

you think? He said I was shitting myself. Yeah, no,

51:35

it was good Bill. He's,

51:38

you know. Have

51:41

him bring his ground. Pardon? Have him bring his ground.

51:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the

51:46

French used to treat it with the ultrasound. Yeah, yeah,

51:48

yeah. Yeah, see how many you go now. I mean,

51:50

you look back and you

51:54

could sort of say that, but that

51:57

was the way you built things and you,

51:59

you, you, you. got the lads going

52:01

and they did you know it's a way to

52:04

it's a difficult way to manage but you've got to

52:06

be out of control they've got to know when you're

52:08

playing and when you're not you with me and so you

52:11

know when you're off you

52:13

accept that there's you know

52:16

they're characters you know Bill was a character you

52:18

know I forgot when he

52:20

was one of his oh I said where are you going now but he said

52:23

oh the goalkeeper at Hull I forget what

52:25

his name was uh

52:27

they were great mates he said oh me and my mate

52:30

uh we're going to go for a plowman's I didn't

52:32

know the plowman's was including 10 points we

52:37

we speak a lot about managers knowing how to deal with certain

52:40

players so would you treat Vinnie Jones differently

52:42

you know you've seen you could have it out with him would

52:44

you treat him differently Billy Whitehurst when

52:46

you said you need to know out the manager yeah yeah I

52:48

mean Bill was okay uh uh

52:52

you know he's you you you could dig him out

52:54

you know uh if you were

52:56

right I mean you know if you were talking bollocks

52:58

he wouldn't you know have it but you know you

53:01

treated him yeah I mean all treated him you know

53:03

the uh if they if they were criticised

53:06

if they weren't doing what they were needed to do really

53:09

you know I think that was a trust that they

53:11

I think they knew I was honest with them really you

53:13

know uh I didn't try and bullshit

53:16

them really at all um you know

53:18

and I think you know if I told them you

53:20

know because the one the best the good last was

53:22

Chris Camara he'd been he'd had

53:24

a couple of shit games and um

53:28

and uh I didn't pick him and he said well

53:31

Harry well you know well I've not you

53:33

know picked me I said well you've been shit haven't you and everything

53:35

else he said oh yeah this that and I said

53:37

look don't worry you know when we play Wimbledon

53:40

you'll be back in so he's gone home happy

53:42

thinking we're playing Wimbledon the next week it

53:44

was about four weeks so

53:49

I can't remember who told us a story

53:51

about Billy in the um

53:54

was it Reza Roddick was given Brian Deane

53:56

the run around yeah no we said yeah we played spurs

54:00

And it was rearranged.

54:02

They were playing Arsenal in the FA Cup and they wanted

54:05

to get, I

54:07

think, somebody out of suspension

54:09

or anything like that at all, you know, and

54:12

everything else. And I

54:14

said to Bill, I said, your

54:16

mate, Raza, just, you know, because Deenzy

54:19

was carrying a little bit of an injury. I said, have

54:21

a little bit of a ruddock and sort of tell him that if Deenzy

54:24

gets injured, then you're coming

54:26

on to put him in Sheffield Infirmary. And

54:28

he works. Yeah,

54:31

so he's gone up and I told

54:33

Raza, you think I was going to argue with Bill? Did

54:37

you ever see him switch, properly switch?

54:40

Bill?

54:41

In the tunnel or anything?

54:43

I can't think where he completely lost. I don't remember

54:46

him losing it, but, you know, you knew that

54:48

he had respect, you know, and

54:50

done it, you know, you know, I remember when I

54:52

was in the fourth division when we

54:55

were battled whole for the

54:58

promotion and everything else, calling out with him, there

55:00

was Marwood there, Billy White,

55:02

Ursa McLaren and everything else. And

55:04

all I said was to that thing, don't

55:07

wake Billy up. Don't upset him.

55:09

Don't do anything stupid, you know, with

55:11

him. Just challenge, get on with it. Don't

55:13

get involved with him and everything else. Anyway,

55:16

we're we're drawing,

55:18

you know, one of what I think it was with and then

55:20

Stevie Galleys couldn't resist it because Galleys

55:22

was fast and he was a bit like Kante,

55:25

you know, the Chelsea boy very

55:27

quick. And he's gone in and he's done, Bill, when

55:29

he now Bill's come in. Beasley

55:32

and Mark Morris came off after the game, you

55:34

little twat. The bees had

55:36

got a cut on him. Mark got a cut on him.

55:39

They took it out on them. All of a sudden I gave him,

55:41

you stupid. I said, you woke the barbarian

55:44

up, didn't you? Can

55:46

you remember when you got up to Scotland

55:48

late?

55:50

In your Lexus.

55:52

Yeah, I'm just trying to think what you refresh me on

55:54

that. These were these are said

55:57

all the team were up in Scotland and

55:59

you. turned up on your new Lexus and then they

56:03

pinned you to the car apparently. Oh

56:05

yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that was quite regular

56:07

sort of thing. And

56:11

that, I didn't tell him I got a new car. Yeah,

56:14

because bees, I remember him coming in with a contract

56:17

he was talking about and he

56:19

said, and I'm offering him 1500, you know,

56:21

this, that and the other. And he

56:23

goes, I can't live on 1500. I

56:27

said, I shouted out to my secretary

56:30

Eileen, Eileen get Tony Pritchard at the

56:32

Star Run. Bees can't live on 1500 a

56:34

week. When we have everybody in

56:36

Sheffield's earning more than 1500 a week

56:39

they've been feeling really sorry. He

56:46

said, ask him about when you let Charlie Atfield

56:49

look after your fish. Oh

56:51

Christ, yeah, we got, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

56:54

we had a sort of a pond where

56:56

my Mrs had coic carp and

56:58

all this that and the other. And we

57:01

went on holiday and they need to be being

57:04

so somehow I don't know how it ended up that

57:06

Charlie said he'd look after him and come around and feed

57:08

him. Yeah, well that was a big mistake, wasn't it? You know,

57:12

nearly killed all the carp. My

57:15

Mrs was going to kill me. The

57:18

other one was Charlie as well again in

57:21

the street. My Mrs is driving down Ecclesall

57:23

Road and she's pulled up by the lights

57:25

and they're sat in the oven and all of

57:27

a sudden Charlie's waving. He's opened the car

57:30

and snatched their handbag out of the car. Your

57:35

players is ridiculous what the things they do. They're

57:38

not human, not human people. What,

57:42

he's just done that for a laugh, like? Yeah, a laugh,

57:44

yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wasn't expecting

57:46

it, she frightened the life out of her.

57:48

He said, Christian, don't take me car a lot, do a lot.

57:51

There's unscrupulous people about. I thought

57:54

that's what I'd do with Barnes. Yeah, great lad,

57:56

he was in that case as well, you know. Well, they brought

57:59

her again. in that the chef

58:01

we were at. He was a good one, he

58:03

was brilliant, he was a good lad Dave

58:06

and everything else, he was a character

58:08

and I

58:11

never saw it but he had this trick where he set light

58:13

to a toilet roll and

58:16

walked around and it crept up to his arse. I

58:18

never saw it but

58:24

I heard it on the... Not

58:26

skill is it? Yeah he

58:28

was there Bradshaw, you know again,

58:31

good dainty, you know Mitch Wald,

58:34

you know, Galey could be frightening

58:36

as well, Galey, you know, I

58:38

nearly got killed by him at Tottenham, we were

58:41

winning and we lost, we drew

58:43

two too and Galey made a

58:46

mistake or something and he came in and

58:49

all of a sudden I've had a bit of a go at him and

58:51

he's spilt teal over himself and he's gone for

58:53

me and I fucked off into the toilet pretty sharpish

58:55

because I thought I'm going to get

58:58

a right hander here. Talking

59:02

about some of them characters and how you built the training

59:04

room, just go ahead onto Forest because

59:08

I mean we've had a few other lads on, aren't we, from

59:10

that team especially that Tank

59:12

and Andy Johnson. Oh yeah, Andy

59:14

Johnson yeah. And then them two together. Oh

59:17

yeah, lunatics they were, yeah. I mean

59:20

with celebration where we've got the

59:22

celebration dinner for the things, Andy

59:25

Johnson's on our table, he started eating

59:27

his wine glass, my Mrs Gull, is he all right?

59:36

I think that's more impressive trick than the toilet roll.

59:40

Can you remember when you first shined Tank Alan

59:42

Rodgers and you were going on the plane?

59:46

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he shouted

59:48

out, we're going down didn't he? But

59:52

no actually I wasn't on the plane, I

59:54

wasn't, that was, they were two split up, sorry,

59:57

they were dead, I think that was Frenchy

59:59

was on that. one with a plane and now

1:00:01

you know in the old Liverpool scouts are

1:00:04

going down I've seen this spot before

1:00:07

you know in the old scouts whatever that was a terrible

1:00:09

scouts but you know yeah yeah

1:00:11

he was you know but did you think I've

1:00:14

got another one lads

1:00:16

he should have done

1:00:18

better he should have done a little bit better he did all right

1:00:20

for me tank you know but you know he

1:00:22

was a character he was he was lively you know

1:00:25

he stood up for himself and you

1:00:27

know he was all for it and Andy was there you know we

1:00:29

needed a bit of you know the Forest side were

1:00:31

all seemed well behaved to me

1:00:33

you know all good

1:00:35

pros you know Stoney and

1:00:37

you know and you know I think Pierre

1:00:40

looked down on them too you know he couldn't quite work

1:00:42

out what these two were doing playing football you

1:00:44

know did you sign Pierre yeah

1:00:47

well no I signed in for the Forest

1:00:49

but I was director of football pearcy was

1:00:51

the manager then is that when you first come in

1:00:53

because we you yeah we still

1:00:55

manage your book then you to all the I was director

1:00:57

of football with the knowledge that I was gonna

1:01:00

take over in the summer because you know they sort

1:01:02

of knew that pearcy'd want to go and move on them play

1:01:04

somewhere so yeah we signed van

1:01:07

Oydog from Celtic and Alan Rodgers

1:01:09

I found him Stevie Cottle marked me card about

1:01:11

him you know I'll give you a warning

1:01:13

said he was good lad right it's good player good

1:01:15

player yeah I mean van Huygens was a good player

1:01:18

but I guess looking back it's

1:01:20

a good player in a good team he won

1:01:22

the good player in a poor team because he didn't like running

1:01:24

about and he was self centered selfish

1:01:27

you know he'd have got beaten up in the Wimbledon

1:01:29

team but he wouldn't last in five minutes

1:01:32

you know with his attitude yeah

1:01:35

and the way what if you want working with

1:01:37

him he wasn't interested in helping

1:01:39

in anything else it was brilliant a free kicks

1:01:41

and penalties and that you know but

1:01:44

very difficult as I say you know he

1:01:46

he was a luxury in a good team he

1:01:49

was did other things but

1:01:51

when you're under the cost all the time like we

1:01:53

were at Forest in the Premier League and

1:01:55

both times when he signed that year for pearcy

1:01:57

he only scored one goal in about 16 games And

1:02:00

then, you know,

1:02:04

he could score, but he's got to get the ball true. Was he

1:02:07

a different person during that championship

1:02:09

year? No, no, he was always moaning. He

1:02:11

was moaning and moaning and everything all the time. You

1:02:13

know, always criticising, you know,

1:02:15

the balls are too hard, the pitches are too

1:02:17

hard, the pitches too soft, you know,

1:02:20

etc. I

1:02:22

was wondering if during that championship year when he's

1:02:24

scoring for fun, whether he's... I mean, he's not

1:02:26

even... But a

1:02:29

lot of people forget Kevin Campbell got 23

1:02:31

goals, Pierre got 30, but

1:02:33

Pierre scored about 6

1:02:36

or 7 penalties. And in

1:02:38

free play, Campbell got all his goals in free

1:02:41

play, whereas Pierre

1:02:43

got them on free kicks. He was good at free kicks,

1:02:45

and don't get me wrong, you know, but

1:02:48

he's a difficult character. How did you go

1:02:50

about that, considering you've managed some of the most

1:02:54

outrageous characters in the game? You must have been just desperate

1:02:56

to serve on your back.

1:02:58

Well, I wouldn't, you know, I mean, you know,

1:03:01

I made a mistake when he went

1:03:03

on strike and he

1:03:06

came out and the press there came

1:03:08

on and sort of said to me, you know, he'd gone

1:03:11

a couple of weeks into the season, you know, Pierre's

1:03:14

offering an olive branch. I said, you know where he can

1:03:16

stick that right up his arm. And

1:03:20

that wasn't... I shouldn't have done that, really. You

1:03:23

know, we should have gone over

1:03:25

to Holland and got

1:03:28

Pierre to come back pre-season and promised him

1:03:30

we'd sell him in the next few games.

1:03:33

Did he go out under whacked or somewhere? Well,

1:03:37

they all thought when he come back, we could sell him the

1:03:39

Leeds, but then the Richdale

1:03:41

days were numbered then. And

1:03:44

he ended up going back to

1:03:46

Vitesse on at the end of the season

1:03:48

for three and a half million, you know. So

1:03:51

whereas we could have got seven million

1:03:53

quid if he had come back that season. You

1:03:56

must have been fuming when Kevin

1:03:58

Campbell got sold. Yeah,

1:04:00

absolutely. It was done behind my back. Yeah, it

1:04:02

was done behind my back. Did you just... How

1:04:04

did you find out? Was it a fun call? Well,

1:04:07

I spoke to Irving Scholler after I was weak.

1:04:09

I'd got him and Scott Gemmell to sign contracts

1:04:12

and I phoned

1:04:15

into the club a week later and found

1:04:17

out that Kevin hadn't signed and was

1:04:20

going to Trappins Board, was it? Yeah,

1:04:22

went to Trapper. Yeah, and of

1:04:24

course Kevin found out he could get cash.

1:04:27

We were paying him, he could get that without tax.

1:04:30

So he was appealed to him. But

1:04:32

then Kevin told me after

1:04:34

he went in three times to sign his contracts

1:04:36

and the secretary said, oh, it's not

1:04:38

quite ready. We've got to get this, that and the other. And

1:04:41

that was it. And that was the problem. Irving Scholler

1:04:43

wanted to keep Campbell, sorry, Van

1:04:45

Oydonk and didn't want to keep Campbell. So

1:04:48

it was like interference from which

1:04:50

I was never used to. It's just crazy

1:04:52

in the Senate because you've lost your leading goal

1:04:54

scorer, second leading goal scorer and that's

1:04:56

caused. Well, we

1:04:59

started the season. We got no Van Oydonk

1:05:01

on Kevin Campbell, wouldn't

1:05:03

we? And we've got a lot of golf shot out

1:05:05

here to start the thing. Oh, yeah, not much. We

1:05:09

started quite well, but then it was always going to be a struggle

1:05:11

because we

1:05:13

didn't have the money. They wanted to sell. Colin Cooper

1:05:15

wanted to go back to Middlesbrough. I

1:05:18

made a mistake. I listened to Ray Wilkins.

1:05:20

He told me that we should have done Quasi

1:05:23

we signed and he wasn't up to

1:05:25

it, Quasi, you and me. And I booked

1:05:27

ships who had done brilliant for me at Palace,

1:05:30

but had an absolute nightmare at Forest

1:05:32

and Dougie Freeman, both done brilliant

1:05:34

for me. I mean, we were leading 2-0

1:05:37

in three separate games at halftime

1:05:40

and Dougie in every game of those

1:05:43

three had a golden one on

1:05:45

one to score and didn't score any. And

1:05:47

we drew all those three games 2-2. So

1:05:49

we all of a sudden done ourself out. We got three

1:05:52

points instead of nine points and that

1:05:55

Dougie's a good finisher. You know, I've seen

1:05:57

him score goals much better than those.

1:06:00

but he didn't, the ships just had a mare. He

1:06:02

did brilliant for me at Barnsley, but

1:06:05

just didn't work at Forest. They

1:06:08

promised me if we got up, there'd

1:06:10

be about 10 million to spend. That don't sound much,

1:06:12

but when was it, 1990, or

1:06:14

wherever it was, that was gonna be where the

1:06:17

reality was, they needed to raise two

1:06:19

and a half million quid because the share

1:06:21

price hadn't gone well. One

1:06:23

of these when football was all aim, they

1:06:25

were going. So

1:06:28

we've lost all of a sudden there and

1:06:31

Colin Campbell, our captain at the back, the

1:06:33

sort of thing. So

1:06:35

it was one of those. Were

1:06:37

the players that you had to deal with a

1:06:39

lot differently? Oh yeah, I didn't try and get

1:06:41

in the mentality of like that.

1:06:44

I mean, I've got a tank, I brought them into a bit

1:06:46

of it, and Jeff Thomas, they were good lads. They

1:06:49

got on and- Some of them players seem more

1:06:51

like players that you need to put an arm round rather

1:06:53

than give them a rocket. No, Jeff Thomas is all right,

1:06:56

tank was all right. And I'd pass that stage

1:06:58

there because it's hard work

1:07:00

doing well. Now what I did at Women and Crystal Palace is real

1:07:03

hard work. You're managing on

1:07:05

the tight rope and you're working

1:07:07

at it all the time and

1:07:10

the game was changing a bit more.

1:07:13

Forrest was a different club, I was gutted. I

1:07:17

suffered because of Van Oydonk really. What

1:07:20

did he want? Did he want, just wanna leave? Well,

1:07:24

he wanted what I wanted. He said our team

1:07:26

weren't gonna be good enough and I agreed with him.

1:07:29

But for him to go on strike, he's

1:07:31

completely out of order. Who did the other

1:07:33

lads route when he came back? Well,

1:07:36

a few of the Forum lads were okay, but Crossley,

1:07:38

Bessin, Jeff Thomas, Stoney, Woney, they

1:07:46

weren't really having him, you and me. I

1:07:48

think I heard a story about Crossley going

1:07:51

into the restaurant and Pierre was in there and

1:07:53

he's had a right go at him. I

1:07:55

think it would have been hard for a Forum

1:07:57

player to play in my Wimbledon

1:07:59

or Chevelier. United side because

1:08:02

they kind of different culture and they would

1:08:04

have found it very hard. I'm not saying they couldn't,

1:08:06

you know, but perhaps some Scandinavians

1:08:09

could have done them, perhaps a few Germans,

1:08:11

but it was, you know, it wasn't

1:08:14

their idea of, you know, how

1:08:16

they wanted to play because the way we played

1:08:19

when, you know, where we were strong and

1:08:21

we went man for man, bit like Brighton

1:08:23

do now, we went man for man, you

1:08:25

know, you were, I mean, you did help out on that,

1:08:28

all that, you know, I mean, when we played Forest

1:08:30

and, you know, well, that first season we

1:08:32

were in up, we, I mean, they're talking about

1:08:34

teams getting relegated now and then

1:08:36

Shev and

1:08:39

I have only got one point from five games. We had four after 17

1:08:41

games, we had four points. We went into

1:08:43

December and we were bottom of the league of

1:08:46

four and we beat Forest three two

1:08:49

and we ended up finishing 13th

1:08:51

in the league. We had a great run in

1:08:54

the end of February, March and

1:08:56

into April, we won seven out of eight games.

1:08:58

How did you, how did you turn? Just kept

1:09:01

the spirit going, kept the spirit. I mean,

1:09:03

when we, we scored Aston Villa,

1:09:05

it was about the first goal in nine hours and all

1:09:07

the fans that come on the pitch and they're all driving, the

1:09:09

players are driving and all that sort

1:09:12

of thing. You know,

1:09:15

as I say, we stayed up and we

1:09:17

always did it. Well, we had the one where we Frenchie

1:09:20

decided after we'd had two years of,

1:09:23

you know, having to do it from

1:09:25

Christmas onwards, we decided to have a Christmas

1:09:27

party at the Lane in August.

1:09:30

And we

1:09:33

all got dressed up in Christmas outfits,

1:09:35

Christmas jumpers. Because you know, we've been up

1:09:38

to Christmas. That's right. Yeah, shit up to Christmas.

1:09:40

So we decided that we've got to hypnotize

1:09:43

the players, players, everything that, you

1:09:45

know, Christmas is out of the way. We've got to start

1:09:47

playing. And it worked for one

1:09:49

game and then we went back to normal. But

1:09:52

yeah, it was all dressed up for Father Christmas. It was baking

1:09:55

hot as well. We got all the curtains.

1:10:00

So we had characters who joined

1:10:02

in, you know. No, in with it.

1:10:05

You know, I mean, it's about bringing

1:10:07

a ballet coach in. Barnsley,

1:10:09

Balidhanta, coach? No,

1:10:12

I don't remember that one. I'm not

1:10:14

against it, but I don't remember that. Unless...

1:10:17

Lester, was that? No, I didn't have a ballet. We

1:10:19

had a psychology guy came

1:10:22

in at Shelvage United. They're

1:10:24

there with, you know, he'd come with us a couple of times

1:10:27

and things like that. We had Jocelyn,

1:10:30

the Olympic sprinter. Jocelyn

1:10:32

Hoyt Smith, wasn't it? She

1:10:35

was a Sheffield girl. She was a good girl. And,

1:10:37

you know, she did... She had a

1:10:39

banter with the players. They were all there, you know, she

1:10:41

was doing stretches and stuff

1:10:43

with them, you know, and some movements and things.

1:10:46

So we was always there. You know,

1:10:48

I mean, we once, you know, we had our own sports

1:10:50

psychologists all back in those days.

1:10:53

We used to cut our videos up and show

1:10:55

them the opposition, you know, and make

1:10:58

their own videos. You know, we were

1:11:00

like Wimbledon. You know, we had videos in 1984. Something we'd

1:11:02

have been quite ahead of the time. Yeah, it was.

1:11:06

Yeah, way above our

1:11:08

time, you know. We always looked on as

1:11:10

if we didn't know what we were doing, but we knew. We're

1:11:12

like, what? We're a bit like the Wimbledon

1:11:14

podcast really, aren't we? Well, I mean, I

1:11:17

mean, in actual fact, you know, the guy

1:11:19

who did all my video

1:11:21

cutting up at Wimbledon was a new

1:11:23

Don Hale. Don Hale come down to see

1:11:26

what we were doing. And he was coaching the Arsenal

1:11:29

and that. You know, we were cutting up videos of AC

1:11:31

Milan, the way they played and, you know,

1:11:33

all little things and, you know, videos

1:11:36

of our own game and everything else. Did you enjoy

1:11:38

your time at Barnsley? Yeah, I did. Yeah,

1:11:40

yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:43

Barnsley come in. I was looking to get back in. I

1:11:45

mean, I mean, as it happened that day, I'd

1:11:48

signed for Barnsley, I agreed.

1:11:50

Sheffield United knocked on me house that night,

1:11:52

wanted me to go there. Go back

1:11:54

to Sheffield United. But I said, no, I've shaken

1:11:57

hands with John Dennis, you know, I've done

1:11:59

that now. I can't pull out now. And

1:12:02

what I should have done was when I had the chance to go to Blackburn

1:12:05

in the November, and I turned

1:12:07

it down to stay at Barnsley, I should have gone to Blackburn,

1:12:10

I made a mistake then. When was that? Who'd just

1:12:12

left Blackburn then? What are you- Brok

1:12:14

on Kidd. All right, yeah. Yeah, Kiddie. And soonest

1:12:17

got it later. I should have made a mistake.

1:12:19

The money was a lot more than Barnsley as well. My

1:12:22

Mrs has never forgiven me for not doing that. How'd

1:12:26

you know about your time at Leicester? When

1:12:28

I went there and the team, there'd

1:12:32

been some crap recruitment. Emil Hasked

1:12:34

had been signed, sorry,

1:12:36

sold. And

1:12:38

they'd brought in Akim Bayi, the

1:12:40

good lad worked hard, but didn't have

1:12:43

it really. And Benjamin, the

1:12:45

same, they'd spent about eight million

1:12:47

on them two, you and me. And

1:12:50

the side was there. Peter

1:12:52

Taylor, who I like a lot, but his recruitment

1:12:55

during that period wasn't

1:12:57

very good. There was some- You're

1:12:59

a shade. Yeah, there

1:13:01

was some players there. And it was always,

1:13:04

they were bottom sort of thing. It was a good club,

1:13:06

Leicester. I enjoyed it. Then I

1:13:08

stepped aside to let Mickey. They

1:13:11

wanted a young manager really. Ari

1:13:13

Rednap had recommended me for the job and I got

1:13:16

it. And they liked the idea of me bringing

1:13:18

Mickey. But the idea was Mickey

1:13:20

would do it a year or so later, but Mickey got

1:13:22

a little bit out of order and started

1:13:25

moaning. And they wanted

1:13:27

Mickey to be manager. So I stepped

1:13:29

aside at the end of the season. He got

1:13:31

promoted the following season, but got relegated

1:13:34

the following season. Was that difficult personally

1:13:37

to step aside and- I

1:13:40

was upset because I could

1:13:42

have got promotion with Mick. We both

1:13:44

got it the following season, which was there, Portsmouth

1:13:47

and us. And then it would have been right

1:13:49

for Mick. If Mick had been there, he could have had a little,

1:13:52

we could have had a long time at Leicester, I think,

1:13:54

if we'd have got it right. I went to director

1:13:56

of football, you know, and I mean, Mick

1:13:58

left Leicester and he didn't have to. The board wasn't after

1:14:01

him, they were mid-table, but he

1:14:03

got upset because he put

1:14:05

Dave Connolly on as a sub and then pulled him

1:14:07

off right near the end and the fans were saying, you don't know

1:14:09

what you're doing. Mick

1:14:13

skimmed one of the stickers you thought it was

1:14:16

and he cleared off early. What's

1:14:18

that director of football role actually then? What

1:14:20

do they actually do? Well,

1:14:23

there's all sorts of things you can do. I

1:14:27

think the director of football is part of the board.

1:14:30

He's there to help them with the manager

1:14:32

and advise them on the football side.

1:14:35

So the manager wants to buy this player for that. You're

1:14:37

there to say, well, I think we can get him cheaper or

1:14:40

I don't think you can make

1:14:42

points. You don't go against the manager, but

1:14:44

you are working for the club what

1:14:46

you think is right and you advise the

1:14:48

board and they can make the decision

1:14:51

theirself on what you say and what

1:14:53

the manager wants. And again, to be

1:14:55

making sure that we are producing youth

1:14:58

players and everything else. You're like a sporting

1:15:00

director. Yeah, they call it director of football,

1:15:02

but they don't

1:15:04

really know. A lot of the board

1:15:07

members never know what the director of football stands

1:15:09

for. And there's a lot of

1:15:11

people slag it off like Ari Rednapp

1:15:13

does, you and me, although he was director

1:15:15

of football at Portsmouth and got fucking ricksy

1:15:18

to sack and

1:15:22

took over himself. Did

1:15:25

you ever have to personally work with

1:15:27

the director of football? No. You've

1:15:31

always just done the role yourself. Well, I was

1:15:34

experienced. You come through. I knew what there.

1:15:36

I didn't need the director of football,

1:15:38

particularly. Was that at Seoul? Under

1:15:41

Woodwood, Redknapp,

1:15:44

Dennis Wise. You were with Dennis Wise, really. Yeah,

1:15:46

well, he wasn't director of football. He was brought

1:15:48

in. I mean, Ari

1:15:50

just used to ignore him, basically. That

1:15:56

must have been a bit awkward. Well, Woodwood,

1:15:58

you know, I didn't get on with Woodwood. I could see through

1:16:00

him, you know, me and him clashed, you

1:16:02

know, a few times. And that when I become

1:16:05

caretaker manager, I called a meeting

1:16:07

and told him he had to come to the meeting. But

1:16:09

he went away to Rupert Lowe, the chairman.

1:16:12

And I said, no, Rupert's wrong. We don't

1:16:14

know. You can't bring Clive in, you know, you

1:16:17

know, his elite this and that, you know. And

1:16:20

what happened is, you know, I was convinced if

1:16:22

if Harry hadn't gone back to Portsmouth and we

1:16:24

stayed there to the end of season, Rupert

1:16:26

would have sacked us two and he'd given Clive

1:16:28

the job. Didn't end well. No,

1:16:31

no, no. He had Rupert's here and Rupert

1:16:33

thought, you know, ex-public schoolboy,

1:16:35

you know, this was the way

1:16:37

forward and everything else. And Clive really

1:16:40

didn't understand football, you know. You

1:16:42

know, I'm not so he was never going to work really well coming from

1:16:45

a no, you know, from it become apparent

1:16:47

that, you know, even with the rugby, the rugby

1:16:49

players didn't take any notice. Clive is

1:16:51

a facilitator. He goes around and makes,

1:16:54

finds the best physio, the best master,

1:16:56

the best doctors, you know, which is good, you

1:16:59

know, he facilitates that

1:17:01

rather than being, you know, the tactics

1:17:04

and all that. It was your best ever signing

1:17:06

in your opinion. Well, I've had a few and I'm

1:17:09

bloody, you know, Vinny at Wimbledon

1:17:11

for 10 grand, you know, Winterburn,

1:17:14

Dennis Wise, Deep

1:17:16

Brian Dean, you know, 30 grand,

1:17:19

went for three million. You know,

1:17:21

the best strike partnership. I've

1:17:24

never thought about that. I mean, they've all been good players. Kevin

1:17:27

Campbell, I liked, you know, good player Kevin. I

1:17:29

like Kevin. I liked Dino as a great

1:17:31

fellow. Tony Agana for a couple of years was electric

1:17:35

for us. Didn't quite last the timing. You

1:17:37

know, Corky was a great player as well, you know, underrated.

1:17:40

You know, Corky wasn't silky, but he could score

1:17:42

goals. He was bright. You know, he scored

1:17:45

loads of goals for Wimbledon. Who's the most

1:17:47

difficult player you've had to manage? Van

1:17:50

Heidl. Yeah. Just

1:17:53

because you couldn't make him happy. And,

1:17:55

you know, I mean, he came in

1:17:58

after one game and. Bobby

1:18:00

out and he was my assistant, you know, and

1:18:02

he had criticized us and says, you

1:18:05

like, I'm very good at Mick Kelly coaching. He said,

1:18:07

you need to go over to the wall and learn out the coach.

1:18:10

Well, Bobby had been Malmo in

1:18:12

the European final

1:18:14

against Forrest. You with me and that? And

1:18:16

Bobby managed China and all this. He

1:18:19

went fucking apoletic, didn't he? Who's

1:18:23

been your favorite owner to work with? Well,

1:18:25

Sam was fun, but, you know, he shit on

1:18:28

me. He, you know, paid me absolute peanuts.

1:18:30

You know, he was on there. Well,

1:18:33

he trusted me. I ran the club. I made

1:18:35

him millions. Yeah, he's

1:18:38

lucky. No Z

1:18:40

when I worked for him, but everyone was all right. People

1:18:42

thought that Ron wouldn't pay me the dough.

1:18:45

You know, he wouldn't pay me. So, you know,

1:18:47

I nearly went to Manchester City but

1:18:49

ended up a forest, you know, early

1:18:51

in school or I like, but he was, you know,

1:18:54

to poach his nose and wanted too much

1:18:56

in there and he interfered, which, you know, I could

1:18:58

never forgive him for. And that. But

1:19:01

also, also lovely bloke.

1:19:04

But, you know, John, you

1:19:06

know, he was a nice bloke. He was too interested in looking

1:19:08

at birds, tits and that. Yeah.

1:19:15

Elton John. Elton John. Elton

1:19:17

was great. He treated me.

1:19:20

I mean, he treated me

1:19:22

well. You know, I mean, you know, I tell the story

1:19:25

where I come home from the Cup Final and

1:19:28

it was Everton and Liverpool. And,

1:19:31

you know, I've drawn up my Mrs. Open the door. I

1:19:34

thought, oh, I've got the front door key. She

1:19:36

said, you ain't going to believe who's here. I said, what

1:19:38

do you mean I ain't going to believe who's here? Who's here? No,

1:19:40

I couldn't see any flash car or anything like that

1:19:42

at all. She said, you ain't going to believe it. Then all

1:19:44

of a sudden Elton come leaping out of my

1:19:46

lounge. You know, he had a fucking

1:19:48

funny hat on and, you know, the gear and that. I'm

1:19:51

fucking Elton. Elton John.

1:19:54

I said to the Mrs. I think you told him we ain't

1:19:56

got a piano. At

1:19:58

least he'd not been upstairs, wouldn't he? Yeah,

1:20:03

he was good. He wanted

1:20:05

me as manager, he saw me, and

1:20:07

he talked me, and he insisted he wanted to know

1:20:09

the next day because he was going

1:20:11

with a team, the China on Tuesday,

1:20:14

on Monday or Wednesday, and he

1:20:16

wanted to do it. And I got talked into it really.

1:20:19

And when you've got somebody like that, I

1:20:21

wasn't ready to deal with Elton. You with me? Well,

1:20:24

he didn't know anything about football, or? Oh

1:20:26

yeah, he's not stupid. I mean, he looked after

1:20:29

me. They paid me with contract. He bought

1:20:32

the car, it was Grand Taylor's Jag,

1:20:35

and he bought it from the club to give to me. And he

1:20:38

then paid for me, my Mrs

1:20:40

and 2 kids, to have Fortnite in California,

1:20:43

Disneyland, and all them for

1:20:46

our oddity. So he was

1:20:48

a brilliant fella, really. He was

1:20:50

just distraught. He

1:20:55

bought, he gave my Mrs one

1:20:58

of his fur coats, he'd, you

1:21:00

know, sold it. He only just sold

1:21:05

it a year or so ago. He didn't go for that. Elton John's

1:21:07

not just on carbon. He's got to Chris,

1:21:10

sorry about him, other bastards who gave

1:21:12

you an odd time, but I love you. Well,

1:21:17

the story I'll tell you, which is a bit embellished,

1:21:19

but it's when

1:21:21

he sacked me, you know,

1:21:23

it was Christmas and I knew

1:21:26

that it was looming. And

1:21:29

Ron knows, we just before Christmas and

1:21:31

said, look, Reg Breerley, I've

1:21:34

recommended you to Reg Breerley at Shelby United.

1:21:36

He's manager Billy McKern's gone. I've

1:21:38

told him, he's rung me up to ask who I'd put

1:21:41

as manager. And he said, so

1:21:43

I suggest you go and talk to him because you're going to get a sack.

1:21:45

It ain't if it's just when now.

1:21:48

Thanks, Ron. Don't

1:21:50

be about to push. And

1:21:53

Reg rung me over to Christmas period and said, look,

1:21:56

we're not going to do anything till the new year. And now

1:21:58

I said, well, you know, it's looming anyways. So

1:22:01

we've got that at the Christmas and I've left

1:22:03

a few of the favourites out and I've given people like Timmy

1:22:05

Sherwood their debut and you

1:22:08

know when things don't go right for you, we're

1:22:10

winning at Portsmouth they get a spawny

1:22:12

goal to make it the 2-2,

1:22:15

topping them the same, they get a fucking offside

1:22:18

goal when it's 2-2. So we just

1:22:20

didn't win the games and then we played

1:22:22

Manchin-Ited on

1:22:26

New Year's Eve and Tony Agana

1:22:28

was ranked right. We lost 1-0, Al

1:22:30

we lost 1-0, I do not know. In the

1:22:33

end they were playing 5 at the back, Vivanason

1:22:35

was chasing Tony around and we lost 1-0,

1:22:38

Uni saying I can't believe it. Anyway,

1:22:41

I get home and the phone

1:22:43

goes, it's Elton. Ari, it's Elton.

1:22:46

He said I'm around John Reed's house, John

1:22:48

Reed didn't live too far from where

1:22:50

I lived in a big house. There

1:22:53

was a fucking, well he had a little chef

1:22:55

in the half way up his fucking drive. I

1:22:58

took that

1:23:01

long. Anyway, he's jumping off, I

1:23:03

said, I'm a mother-in-law and father-in-law

1:23:05

over there. So I said this is it, you know, for dinner

1:23:07

I've got to go. So I've gone

1:23:09

round there, Derek East driver's drove me

1:23:11

up and everything else is coming. Anyway, we're

1:23:14

talking and he said hey, the boys were brilliant, have a

1:23:16

glass of champagne, Harry, you know, the

1:23:18

things are hard and this that and the other. So

1:23:22

I thought, I think, fucking hell, how's he going to do this?

1:23:24

Anyway, we went in, a

1:23:27

lounge was magnificent, you know. It

1:23:30

was like cream, you

1:23:32

know, couches and, you

1:23:35

know, it was lovely all round

1:23:38

and there was cushions everywhere. So we're sitting

1:23:40

there, he said, Ari, you

1:23:43

see that cushion beside you?

1:23:45

I said, yeah. He said, we're going

1:23:48

to have a game with that. I said, oh, are we? He

1:23:51

said, yeah, it's like a dice. He

1:23:53

goes, come on, Ari, wonderful if you

1:23:55

get a sack. So,

1:23:57

you know, odds aren't very good, are they? He

1:24:02

said, no. I said, but what

1:24:05

are you going to do if I get a six?

1:24:08

He said, it's obvious, Harry, you have another

1:24:10

fucking fro. So

1:24:13

we got pissed and I went home at four

1:24:15

o'clock in the morning. Sacked.

1:24:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sacked. Amazing.

1:24:26

I bought this boy, Trevor

1:24:28

Sinclair from Reddit, who scored

1:24:31

goals for fun. Scored goals for

1:24:33

fun. Couldn't score a fucking goal for me

1:24:35

at Watford. They asked me to take the

1:24:37

team against Hull on the Saturday

1:24:39

and it would be after the game, the FA Cup. Anyway,

1:24:43

we're one all and it's pissing with rain

1:24:46

and everything else. Last minute

1:24:48

of the game, Trevor goes round the goalie,

1:24:51

slips it in towards the goal, turns

1:24:53

away to the crowd, then

1:24:56

we realised the fucking ball was stuck

1:24:58

in a puddle on the fucking line. It

1:25:01

ain't got here. And I thought, well,

1:25:03

I'll be fucked. I couldn't even win that game. And

1:25:07

then Trevor, they didn't fancy him at Watford.

1:25:10

They sent him to Millensborough,

1:25:13

where Bruce

1:25:16

Realt was manager. We went up

1:25:18

to Millensborough, they beat a

1:25:20

6-0 against Trevor Ginhoye, they scored

1:25:22

four. I said,

1:25:24

you wanker.

1:25:28

He couldn't score a goal for me and then he'd destroy

1:25:30

me. So

1:25:32

there we are, boys. Oh, brilliant. I

1:25:34

really enjoyed that. Thank you. The

1:25:43

new up jump, Harken. Crisp.

1:25:46

This has changed your life. I

1:25:48

think I'm going to go for the all oversize. Do I

1:25:50

look slimmer in it? You do? Yeah, yeah. The oversized

1:25:53

box shoulder. This is unbelievable.

1:25:56

You, John, I like it. The Y doesn't

1:25:58

really match my teeth. Does

1:26:01

it do an off yell? I can't have it all. Nice.

1:26:05

Can we just add Greg Halford on them, will you? Yes.

1:26:09

Kindly. Very kind of. We've got three of

1:26:11

his finest. New range.

1:26:13

Looking good. Who used to be fighting

1:26:15

over the medium?

1:26:17

Oh, Matt's claimed it. Me medium's too big

1:26:19

for me. Fuck off. We're

1:26:22

always getting to weight, don't we? Always getting to

1:26:25

weight. It's always weight and claws. If

1:26:27

you want to...

1:26:29

I did that a few times in the episode.

1:26:32

If you're wondering where we are, we

1:26:33

are... You can probably read it

1:26:35

in the background. The valley. We've

1:26:38

managed to... What's the word? Black?

1:26:41

I'd say black's a hustle. Overstays

1:26:49

welcome. Yeah. By absolutely 35

1:26:52

hours. So we recorded with

1:26:54

Sasha Elitch yesterday and he pulled

1:26:56

a favour and said don't you worry lads, I've

1:26:59

got... I've spoke to the sporting

1:27:02

director, commercial director,

1:27:04

Charlton. We can get in a box for an

1:27:06

hour. Yeah. Oh,

1:27:09

Sasha will be calling for a couple of hours. Well,

1:27:11

it'll be alright then. We can extend by an hour. That

1:27:14

was yesterday at 10am, we're still here. I

1:27:17

didn't swap. Half

1:27:19

one to a clock. I took

1:27:22

quarter two. We came in at 10am,

1:27:25

Tuesday morning and we're still here at

1:27:27

quarter two, Wednesday afternoon.

1:27:30

We infiltrated the catering department

1:27:32

didn't we? Because the head of... I don't

1:27:35

know what...

1:27:36

Operations will say. He was

1:27:38

livid that we were still here at

1:27:40

4am yesterday. We went down and

1:27:42

asked if we could use the room

1:27:45

again today. He said you said you were

1:27:47

going to be here an hour. You've had 17 beers. You've

1:27:50

emptied the snack basket. And

1:27:53

it's not our responsibility then,

1:27:55

executive lounges. But that's where

1:27:58

I saw the opportunity. Local. because

1:28:00

he kind of like disarmed himself

1:28:03

and just said, I'll let them sort

1:28:05

us. But she kind, she was, she

1:28:07

was, she was unbelievable.

1:28:10

So when I spoke to her, she just said,

1:28:12

yeah.

1:28:13

No problem. Just a simple,

1:28:15

I'll get in there in the morning, clean it up and

1:28:18

we're like, no, don't buy the world cleaning. She went, oh, I'll go

1:28:20

and clean up. Just leave the keys behind reception

1:28:23

and it's yours for as long as you want that. So

1:28:26

nice to be nice to me. Yeah, it's absolutely spot on. Thank

1:28:29

you very much. So I looked like someone got in the car. I don't know

1:28:31

how we do it because if you, if you book in a room in London

1:28:33

for recording. Three, 400 in it. And we've rocked up

1:28:35

at a former Premier League ground like we own the

1:28:37

job. Yeah. We've got the chef running the

1:28:39

length of the stand to get eight bottles of water. Yeah.

1:28:42

Two seconds there. It's thrown in like oceans 11, don't we? But

1:28:47

yeah. Incredible. Yeah. So

1:28:49

it's been very helpful. We've done a lot of work. We've

1:28:52

done a lot of work. We've done a lot of work. We've

1:28:54

done a lot of work. We've done a lot of work. We've done

1:28:56

a lot of work. We've been very helpful. We've dropped on again.

1:28:58

We've got like a huge album. Yeah, very much appreciated. Not

1:29:01

that there's no much about it. Dave Bassett. Dave

1:29:03

Bassett, yeah. Great memory. Unbelievable

1:29:06

memory. Unbelievable memory. What age?

1:29:09

Nearly 80, is he? I love

1:29:11

when you ask questions that none of us know the answer to. And

1:29:14

you probably know that we don't know the answer to. That's

1:29:16

the thing. Nearly 80, I shall

1:29:18

say. Between 75 and 80. Unbelievable

1:29:20

memory. Weird.

1:30:01

Weird gas water. What time did we get there, Matty? 11 o'clock

1:30:05

at night. Cute. And it was like a zoo in

1:30:08

the slippin' thingy foyer. It was like Disney

1:30:10

World. People

1:30:13

just walking, all different people just lying down

1:30:15

on the couch. If anybody was looking to write

1:30:17

a sitcom, then I'd recommend

1:30:19

spending a couple of hours in a Britannia International

1:30:22

foyer. So many characters. I

1:30:24

think I put my head on the block

1:30:27

and I think I saw five ladies of the night just doing laps

1:30:30

of the room.

1:30:31

Really?

1:30:32

I'm just guessing. I

1:30:35

might be wrong. We're in the back. He

1:32:00

must have just drawn that on. That's yeah. But

1:32:02

now put the wave music on. It

1:32:05

was always going to sleep at night at the beach, wasn't

1:32:07

it? Small bed though. Too small.

1:32:09

Very, very, I would say. I love mama

1:32:11

for her small thing. This table is wider.

1:32:13

Can't turn all the... Oh, fuck me eyes. Definitely.

1:32:16

I've got all five in. Oh, thanks everybody for subscribing. We

1:32:19

put a plea out, didn't we, for some extra subscribers?

1:32:29

500, I found out. We're 500 off the 100,000

1:32:31

now and we said we'd give a shit away. Have

1:32:34

we got a winner, Matthew? Matt is doing the draw as

1:32:36

we speak. Simon Short.

1:32:37

Simon Short.

1:32:39

I can't wait to hear your

1:32:41

voice. Simon Shorty. I wonder

1:32:43

who he supports. So, if you're getting

1:32:47

in touch on Twitter or Instagram.

1:32:50

Facebook, what if they haven't got any

1:32:52

of that? Comment. Oh,

1:32:54

comment. Yeah, but we need to get in touch,

1:32:56

don't we, direct? I'm

1:32:59

sorry, tell us. Don't have to give everybody's

1:33:01

email address. I'll tell

1:33:03

you what, I'll do it. I'll give you a

1:33:06

brownie's number. No, I'll also...

1:33:08

Drop the message on Twitter or Instagram. I

1:33:11

think we go again. Yeah. At 100,000.

1:33:15

Although... Another one? We've had a

1:33:17

bit of an increase in subscribers,

1:33:19

about 20% has dropped again. I

1:33:22

think you're making this up. What

1:33:24

makes you say that? Because it

1:33:26

keeps going down. By 10.

1:33:30

Which is convenient. No, it was 26 last

1:33:32

time. Was it? Oh, right, I like your stuff.

1:33:34

Only 20% subscribed. Yeah, if you're not subscribed, subscribe.

1:33:37

What happens when we get to 100? Party.

1:33:41

I think we get a big trophy, like. Do

1:33:43

we? Yeah. Who gets the trophy? Do

1:33:45

we have to fight over it? It'll look nice on my

1:33:48

bedside table. Do we get

1:33:50

one each? I do

1:33:52

not. You set the channel up, you're going to get it,

1:33:54

you bastards. I'm going to be there

1:33:56

on my mantelpiece. Oh, we could do like, you know when you get...

1:34:01

match and you bring it back every week when you're

1:34:03

a kid. month

1:34:06

on month off. I don't know who the sponsor was but somebody

1:34:08

sponsored a game that Connor Salmon was involved

1:34:11

in and he got man of the match and the

1:34:14

prize was a pizza and

1:34:16

he stood holding a 12-inch pizza and he

1:34:18

looks absolutely fuming. I'm

1:34:21

going to have to get the picture because it's

1:34:23

just stood there. Why'd I go onto

1:34:25

that? I don't know. They're good old days have gone now

1:34:27

with champagne. I'm all man of the matches

1:34:29

man. They've had bikes. They

1:34:33

just have a little trophy now.

1:34:35

Powerade,

1:34:38

remember the Powerade ones? Have you ever

1:34:40

got a Powerade player of the month?

1:34:41

No.

1:34:42

I knew the answer. What

1:34:45

did you get for that? The big P. Big

1:34:47

plastic P. I've

1:34:50

definitely got a Powerade player of the month

1:34:52

or some long-term line. I'd

1:34:54

like to say evidence of this because I think that could be a lie. I

1:34:57

can fucking guarantee you. Next episode of.

1:34:59

Get a picture. You've got form for lies. Don't

1:35:02

call you Johnny Liar for nothing. Onyx John.

1:35:07

Always. My career known as Onyx John. We

1:35:11

went to Andrew Leningen's party and he got

1:35:13

greeted as Johnny Liar. What

1:35:19

else has been happening? Nothing. Quiet

1:35:22

times Chris. Keeping our head down.

1:35:24

Oh it was your holiday? By the way the pool

1:35:26

weren't a problem. Was it us? No. We

1:35:29

went to a pool first day and then second day we went to a

1:35:32

beach. The beach was absolutely beautiful. Wares

1:35:34

were probably a bit too eye-focked for kids to be in

1:35:36

but they enjoyed it. Put them anywhere. Get in there and risk

1:35:39

your lives. There

1:35:43

were actually lifeguards on the beach.

1:35:47

So that's how it got a bit lively.

1:35:50

We went to a beach every day. What's your

1:35:53

bathing schedule? I'll

1:35:55

tell you mine before. I go 30 on my front, 30

1:35:58

on my back. Pool. and

1:36:00

then repeat. Cool

1:36:03

down. No, I'm not,

1:36:05

I ain't got such a, I'm not

1:36:07

a, I just fly down. If

1:36:10

I don't have my back, I'll have a back. Two

1:36:12

torn. What, you're gonna be white

1:36:14

on your back? Think, you're kidding me. Check

1:36:16

it out, please. Eh? No,

1:36:19

just like even taminologies. You

1:36:22

want it even tan, no? No, no, no. I

1:36:25

don't put any moisturizer on at all near after

1:36:27

sun like that. Fuck that.

1:36:30

Does you put sun cream on though? Oh yeah,

1:36:32

but I'm gonna back like that, you know, just keep your tan on that.

1:36:34

No. You're guaranteed, as soon as you

1:36:36

get on the plane, start flippin'

1:36:39

peelin'. We had a bet between

1:36:41

us, didn't we, with the weight? I don't even

1:36:43

think we need to explain, but you've

1:36:45

been on holiday, you've

1:36:47

been on holiday, and I haven't

1:36:49

been on holiday,

1:36:50

so I've lost the most weight.

1:36:52

Can I have the foot of your arm? Yours was heavy,

1:36:54

I know it wasn't. It's got one, but every day was,

1:36:56

every day was, oh

1:36:59

God. Your cheeks every time. But

1:37:01

like a little chipmunk comin' in this mornin'. Any

1:37:04

other business? What's your bathing

1:37:07

technique?

1:37:07

Do you have one?

1:37:09

I don't think that is a bathing. You're putting

1:37:11

back energy. I don't think many people

1:37:13

do. It's rotisserie.

1:37:16

Set your time on your phone half an hour, then

1:37:18

you know. Oh, I'm a saluro, shut the

1:37:20

fuck up. It's an hour and a half. It's an

1:37:22

hour and a half. Right,

1:37:25

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And we've got everything you need to know

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about what's set to be one of the biggest

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F1 weekends in recent history.

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We'll be live from Las Vegas across

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the weekend with all the latest news.

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