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Welcome to the new

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United We stand podcast. I'm Andy Mitton. I'm

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stood outside Old Trafford ahead of Manchester

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United, the 20 time champions of England

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the nights we dream of, the nights

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I'm stood outside your

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way end with the Welcome

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to Old Trafford signs. Bayern are bringing

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3,700. They'll be loud. They're good

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fans. They're well organised. They're

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in a good place. I think

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they're politically astute. They pay

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low prices to watch their team. They go home

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and away. We had one of them on

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this podcast in Munich who's a

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mad hooligan. He said to

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me we will come to Manchester to be prepared to

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fight. And if you do

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not fight, no problem. We will drink the beer.

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If it wasn't Dutch. I'm going to

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try and get a few more tonight, but who knows

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where these podcasts are going to take

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us. I've just bumped into Webby who's

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a vintage veteran red. Are you happy

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with that description? That's great. That's the

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best compliment I've had for years. When

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you were last on this podcast a month or two

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ago, we talked about you drinking a pint of Pernod

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and doing Rod Stewart impressions. That's all

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true as well, isn't it? Unfortunately, yes. I was a

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lot younger though, which is all true. When did you

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last drink a pint of Pernod? 15

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years ago. What? As a

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pint. pie here. Not nipped

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it. What do you do? He used to fill it. Three-quarters

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from the top. Yeah. And then he

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used it. It took about half an

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hour but it went. Lovely.

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Well-singing. Have you got a lot of

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hearts? No. What are you's favourite Rod

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Stewart songs? Maggie

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Mae. That's a tune isn't it?

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Rod Stewart and John Lennon. I

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changed the words. So you'd sing them in the

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pub. Oh yes. Get everyone bouncing along. Herding Anderson,

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the regular one on New Year's Day. Yeah. A

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favourite one. Well, Rod is my favourite

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but my favourite one is Imagine There's

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Nobody. Right. So life

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without a point of bits would be difficult

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for you. Who drinks better these days? Your

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mates. Seriously. Bitter and Stella. Bitter

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and Stella. Lovely combination. You've been

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a red for years. Tell me

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some great European nights here. Anyone

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that doesn't say fast alone, there must be

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something wrong with him. Eighty-four. Yeah. Two-nil down

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away, one freedom out. And the noise

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that night. It's like opening noises like that tonight

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and get behind the ladder. Fight for every ball.

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Give it some activity. These so-called

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punters. If it's anything. Oh,

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just get something here. It's just been on the tally saying

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the same thing. Yeah, I've been carrying away. I thought I

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was going into war, not got a bunch of football matches.

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No more experience, isn't it? But that's all we're asking for,

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isn't it? Yeah. Greatest club in the

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world. I've played like it and fight for it. If

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your structure thing is 110%, we'll give it. We

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need that tonight, don't we? Of course we do. We

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really do need it. Over European nights? A long

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recent time. What's your first European

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game? Seventies. Port

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owners. Yeah. I

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remember. I don't know what year he

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was. But I remember swapping. Swapping United

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after a rapid Vienna there. Rapid

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Vienna? Yeah. Did Inselt play rapid Vienna here? It did.

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It did. It had to move. When you close the

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ground. Yeah. And I think it was about 40,000... jocks

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down and I worked in Strapham Park all my

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life and everywhere

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was green and white for months and

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months and months. The

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kids run on the pitch, they come up to the gauntlet and

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they say, yeah, yeah, I remember

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that. How's Strapham Park changed? How's the area

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around the ground changed? My dad used to

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work in Strapham Park. Yeah, yeah, I remember

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it well. It's just quieter. Yeah, was it

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busy? Was it a hive of industry? All

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the big old... Did you know Jimmer's company

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called AEI? No. It

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was 20,000 were there. Really? Doing

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what? Well, also engineering and science

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knows what. You know when I'm

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from Wood's End, a lot of people might not

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realise that. But when AEI were on holiday... Yeah,

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the club's not the buses. Yeah, everyone

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were there. So that's in Flickstone. Yeah.

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Wood's End Square, it is Doggshed Island. Doggshed

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Island, that's the one very, very well-described. It's

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a good source of traction. Yeah. Only

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for women. The... I

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mean, it's chemicals. It was Kelloggs used to smell

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the corn plates being made in Trapper Park. Yeah,

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very much so. The world's

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first industrial park. Yeah. Some

5:07

of the players or the families worked in

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Trapper Park. What Sir Alex

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used to say, go out and

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play the game and let the people that

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work in Trapper Park go to work on

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a Monday morning with a smile on their

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face. Because every time when I go

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in the East 80s, if I played, you know what

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went wrong, I'm glad to hear. No,

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it's been pretty... Are you optimistic about

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tonight? In a funny sort of way,

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I am, yeah. I am. Because I know

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when we want to do it, who just thought they got

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three at bite? Who just thought they

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got three at Calatas or I? Everyone were

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going to turn us over, weren't they? Yeah. There's

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nine goals, I shall say. And Chelsea, yeah, there's nine goals.

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And then we should be against... They say

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we're not busy. Years ago, we

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beat Liverpool and then go spew at

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Southampton, so, you know, it's... You've got

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to play them all, aren't you? I'm looking

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at the stats today. You know, you know, he lost

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once in the league and... in the 80s. Yeah,

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yeah. That's mad that. It

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was brilliant, I loved every minute of it. Did you go there? I

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had nearly a foot price, I've been probably not a man for more

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than a month, I've been cheering the ground. So how would you get

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there in the 80s? Train. Always

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train. To where, Reg Hill? Lime Street. And then how

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would you get from Lime Street to Amhert Hill? There's

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that many of us. To walk and try and get

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some coffee, cos I know as well. It was a

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trouble, major, major, major. You'd be

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attacked, soon you got to Lime Street. Well,

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the near welter in Chucky's coming, you've been

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on train, Lord, and you've got to go

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to the World Pro Points.

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Yeah. I used to say my favourite songs, I

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feel safer with you, I don't know which one to Beirut.

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The old sentence to, I really am. And I still

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fear more, and it's brilliant. And the old ghost tale,

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a lot of them. A lot of them still go

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and still talk about the old songs

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and the reunions of the best. But you

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sing it and feel them in the

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70s, the old one. You used to sing

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it to walk alone, you know? We did on that,

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yeah. And that argument she lads about that, and we

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did actually use this in there.

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You think you never walk alone at

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Amfield? No. Not there. But that

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was always theirs more. Our favourite one at

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them days was when we were playing

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poorly, We Shall Overcome. We Shall

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Overcome, one day, some day in our heart.

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Deep down my, deep down my heart, I

7:15

do believe We Shall Overcome. Some

7:17

songs like that. I love, you know,

7:19

like on the UTV when they get the old, the old...

7:23

...matches. It was brilliant. That

7:26

could be like, out swayed. Oh, it

7:28

could be like Joanna Stodden, Hillsborough and

7:30

all that. Brilliant days. Probably

7:32

around the country. Well, yeah. I've

7:34

done my first, yeah. Where's

7:37

the maddest place you went to? Cardiff.

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Yeah. There's a lot of trouble

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there, won't there? I'm not condoning it,

7:44

yeah. David Chatham, Munich. And United fans

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have done the... Yeah. You're

7:49

not the one I've had on. Yeah. And we got

7:51

to try to be China Hill, outside. God

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bless him now, he's dying now, fellow. Yeah, I was

7:56

really stressed. It was in the house. Really

8:02

Anderson had dropped us to eat tickets off. For

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me, I liked all the speed

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and we went and I thought, oh,

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we'll be all right. We

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was only three United Fats. And they had no

8:14

card in the game. Famous for his hooligan as

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well. Card in the car. Yeah, it's a

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rough city, isn't it? It is. I

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went to write about them and swan different

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adobes but I didn't. Traveled

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with the card in Soul Group there.

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The hooligan. They looked after me and they allowed

8:29

me to travel with them. I

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went to Swansea and it

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wasn't for the free heart. It was an

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extensive security operation. And

8:39

it's not just football with them. It's

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welding and England. Yeah. You

8:44

know, we had to help play for them. We

8:46

had to let English players play for them. So

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how does that work out? Score a prediction for

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tonight, please. We're going to win 2-0. Yeah? I

8:54

really want to believe it. I just can't. I hope

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you're right. And I just hope

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it's enough and that the other ones

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draw. Does that look sexy even more?

9:03

Do you think Europa League is better

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than No Europa? Quite

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honestly, I know. I'm

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a fan of the fans for all of them. I

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love the whole fans. And

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it's not just a competition. There's the

9:18

big question. It's not

9:20

the same. So can I... I'm

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writing to Europa, you're not my next.

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A bad competition, if Europa League was

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played on a Wednesday, that would be a problem. So

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if I heard United and Dussej, yeah, and

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I'd be fine us going to Europa League.

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Yeah, well, we... I'd be more pissed off if we

9:36

could go out of Europe. Well, yeah, there is that

9:38

about it. And then also, there's the financial side of

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it, isn't there? Going out of it like that. Could

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be a bad idea. Thanks for

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your time, mate. Not a problem, man. With John,

9:48

we stood on some at Busby Way now, selling the

9:50

mag. How are you feeling about the game tonight? Not

9:53

confident, Andy, but when am I ever? I

9:56

was just saying that... Of course you're done,

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mate. Pretty powerful, he's running. I think the worst

10:00

thing that could happen to us was the playing

10:03

getting hammered on weekend. I think my

10:05

cash was happening. Three pound

10:07

range. Yeah, so if

10:09

you don't think the podcast was live,

10:11

there's evidence. It's definitely live, so I'll

10:13

leave John here. Sorry, I'm just... We've

10:17

got the last few issues. Thanks mate,

10:19

take care. Sorry about that, that was

10:21

the joys of multitasking. So

10:23

yeah, I think them getting hammered on weekend won't help. They've got

10:25

a great record in the group stage, they've only been lost for

10:27

six or seven years. United are obviously

10:30

not great. It could

10:32

turn ugly, but you never know, it could also turn into

10:34

one of those brilliant nights when everything goes our way. The

10:37

thing with the other result is a draw isn't even good for either

10:39

of them, is it? The odds

10:41

of that finishing a draw are pretty

10:44

remote. Play for pride, make sure

10:46

you stay in your order, get in your order.

10:48

Push, three pound please, mate. Can I tap? Hello

10:50

mate, you okay? I missed your trip

10:52

on Ireland. Kickoff

10:55

is approaching. The

10:57

young gentleman who told me the other day before

10:59

the Bournemouth game to watch out for Sri Lanka.

11:02

Go on then, if you can see the

11:04

future, how are you doing tonight? United win

11:06

tonight, yeah, and Copenhagen and Galatasaray draw. I'm

11:09

doing the next round of the trip beautifully.

11:11

I see you at all the games, how

11:13

are you feeling about the team at the

11:15

moment? Not feeling confident, but

11:18

life, different world, like, you know,

11:20

like, which big clubs like United

11:22

and that. Like things happen, I don't

11:24

know. What things? Like magical things.

11:28

You know, things that are not out of

11:30

the ordinary, it's going to... I've

11:32

got the feeling, mate. Yeah? We're

11:35

going to win here tonight. Really? We're

11:37

going to win and they're going to draw and Ternag's going

11:39

to look like... Are you having a manager? Not really, you

11:41

know. No? Not really. I

11:45

don't see no style, no substance,

11:47

no... I don't see...

11:50

When I see, say like with

11:52

Spurs, new manager, five games in,

11:55

you can see he's changed it. I don't see that here. That

11:58

Spurs are about equal if you... United

12:00

in the league time? Yes, I understand that but

12:02

I wonder about the ways of playing and

12:04

identity and we haven't got that. I don't know

12:07

how we're going to play from week to week.

12:10

Where we especially do, they're going to be open. Do you

12:12

know what I mean? Let's

12:16

see tonight. Nowadays

12:18

we are just littling at the end.

12:20

I'm stood outside the away end and

12:22

talking to a couple of lads who,

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you're from Germany? Whereabouts

12:26

in Germany are you from? We

12:29

are from Weimar, we are a lot

12:31

from Carters Jena and we are

12:33

here for our friends from Bayern

12:35

Munich and we are just the

12:37

friends of Woldra. So you're friends of the Bayern

12:39

Ultras and the team you support is Carl Jens,

12:41

how do I pronounce it in English? Carl

12:44

Jens Jena. It's a famous

12:46

old German club. I know them,

12:48

I've heard of them. Yes, of

12:51

course. We played in 1981, the

12:53

Euro Cup finals, again

12:56

Jena Motiflis and we

12:58

lost that game but that's the biggest game of our

13:00

history. So you've travelled from,

13:02

see all these Germany now, where

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you're from, which city? We come

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from Weimar. Weimar,

13:09

okay. Weimar, that's 20 kilometers near

13:11

Jena but all the guys, I

13:13

think today are 20 guys from

13:15

Jena or Weimar. So you're friends

13:17

with Bayern's Ultras and you would

13:19

travel with them to some games

13:21

like here because you're not watching

13:23

your own team in European competition?

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It's rarely here because of our friends. It's

13:29

just about friendship, it's just about Ultras and

13:31

we support Bayern Munich because these are

13:33

our friends. Have you been to Woldra

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for before? No, never. I need

13:37

a big dream to be here. Really? Yeah.

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And when did you get to Manchester? Yesterday. Okay.

13:44

But when you be

13:46

a little child and you look about football

13:48

and you say, it's your Alex Ferguson as

13:50

I might have read, you really need all

13:52

these big guys of football history. Great.

13:55

And what's your impression been so far

13:57

of Manchester as a city? English

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city, I was before in

14:03

London, I was before

14:06

in other English cities, but it's a... We

14:09

like to go to pubs, we like to go over friends,

14:11

we like to go drink some beer and this

14:14

stadium is special for us. So

14:17

I think there's 3,700 Bayern

14:19

fans tonight, you'll make a

14:21

good noise? I

14:24

think so. You confident? Who do you think is

14:26

going to win? Bayern Munich.

14:28

We lost the last game, Bayern Munich

14:30

lost the last game. What

14:32

score? Five-zero. I

14:36

think Bayern Munich will be, Manchester United,

14:38

impressive. Can you tell me more about

14:41

this ultra culture in Germany where you

14:43

have friendships with different clubs, you travel,

14:45

you have alliances, so all

14:48

the big clubs have good

14:50

group friends? I think

14:52

in Germany the ultra

14:54

culture is this thing

14:56

because German football is

14:59

so far good

15:01

in the heads of all others.

15:04

Not because football game is good

15:06

in Germany, that's not good. Because

15:08

the stadium, they support their choreography.

15:12

So choreography, standing at the game,

15:14

pyro... Yeah, normally in Germany... We

15:16

can practice, and there are no

15:18

so much investors. There are no

15:20

so much of other guys. Our football club

15:22

is a small club. We are also in

15:24

the restaurant, but we fight against them. And

15:27

we won the football again to our club. And

15:29

that's... Our

15:32

impression, our life is about ultras. Ultras

15:34

is about life, ultras is about everything

15:36

we do with our friends, with everybody...

15:38

The way of life. The

15:41

way of life of course. And nobody outside

15:43

can disturb that. No police, no way

15:45

of the restos. It's our club. Germany

15:47

is a little bit easier to think

15:50

about that because we never had investors

15:53

like this in the industry. In

15:56

Germany all the clubs are all

15:58

clubs, under the restos. They

16:00

are no investor. Maybe

16:03

at some time, small clubs like

16:05

Jena also become an investor for

16:08

Russia and we fight against them

16:10

and now after 10 years, she

16:12

goes away. And

16:14

now we are thinking, yeah, that's all football. If

16:17

you feel like you own the club, the fans

16:19

own the club, you don't want it. We

16:21

can talk about Jena. The club can beat money.

16:25

Money is not everything. In

16:27

some clubs, it is very good

16:29

about money. Manchester United is about money.

16:31

A lot of great clubs

16:33

are lost. A lot of

16:36

clubs in Germany, the fans are

16:38

in the Brazilian club and we

16:40

don't give a shit about money.

16:44

It's not all in Germany, it's good,

16:46

but it's better like in England.

16:50

Do you think the Premier League has just sold out? We

16:52

don't give a shit about the Premier League. We don't give

16:54

a shit. The German

16:56

football shows that active football

16:58

community and active old class

17:01

can change everything. And

17:03

we are a lot of people, not everything, but

17:05

change a lot. A lot of people listening to

17:07

this will like what you're saying. I think we

17:09

hope that we are to old class from small

17:11

club. But

17:17

we hope that the English people hear that and

17:19

say that's like me and we can fight again.

17:21

Where the fans have real power. I

17:24

think our opinion is the old spirit

17:26

of football fans. Because

17:29

that's the spirit of football. Everybody can go

17:32

to the games. It's not so expensive. You

17:34

can go there, you can smoke. One

17:36

guy of us is pulling outside the

17:38

stadium because he smokes. That's not possible. That

17:41

he do that. It's the biggest game in

17:43

football history. Bayern Munich against Manchester United. You

17:46

can smoke. You have to smoke. Everybody

17:48

can do what they want. But

17:51

it's just football and football is for the people. Not

17:53

for the investors. Not for the money. Football

17:56

is for the people. Can I have

17:58

a score prediction tonight please? Sorry,

18:01

the predictions. The prediction? Who do you think is going to

18:04

win the game? I think Munich is so good. Normally,

18:09

Munich wins every game. So

18:11

it's not about the results for you? It's all for life.

18:14

We come from here, we drive three

18:17

days. You've driven here?

18:20

No, we come by flight about

18:22

the towers because there are no

18:24

police in Germany that you

18:26

don't have to load. Some people in

18:28

Germany and Berlin, the police say to him,

18:31

you don't know. The police will

18:33

try and stop you going because they know your

18:35

girlfriend. So we fly to Paris and from Paris

18:37

to Manchester because we can't stay here. And we

18:40

had a great night yesterday in the park. Which

18:42

park were you in? Another

18:44

park. At

18:46

home we have a wife, we have kids.

18:49

But if we are here, it's

18:51

just about friendship and we give

18:53

this to our kids. It's about

18:55

our family, that's all. Just

18:58

football, it's about friends and it's about life.

19:00

And for us, if

19:02

someone tells us, you can go

19:04

to the old threshold. Normally

19:07

we say 20 years before we see on the TV,

19:10

it's like, wow, in LA, the German TV show,

19:12

we see LA mentions to United. And

19:15

now we can't stay here. Have the English

19:17

people been good to you? They've been friendly?

19:19

Yes, always friendly. When

19:22

we go to Germany, we love going

19:24

to Germany. Because football culture is very

19:26

good, we get treated well. Normally

19:29

we fight against other football club. If

19:37

you are the extra friends, you have to

19:39

fight against, if somebody comes to you, you

19:41

have to fight. But in England, the old

19:43

guys don't want to fight. They say, ah,

19:46

okay. They just want a beer. Yeah, they

19:48

want a beer. So you come here not

19:50

wanting to fight, just to have a beer.

19:52

Nobody comes here. Because maybe if we... no

19:55

worries, but if the young guys are

19:57

us, We are the good titles

19:59

we train. Three times a week

20:01

to fight. Off

20:03

as a button above him if he

20:05

ran a pub scene of us and

20:07

our guys have mental fog comes in

20:09

three give you a it's cause of

20:11

the and nobody wants a problem is

20:13

it's so cool Be complaining that the

20:15

the old guys six years old was

20:17

say fight a lot but it's not

20:20

seem like a my mother's against us

20:22

and so we are you there for

20:24

hims vs to be and on the

20:26

list goes. On computer.

20:33

Servers. The stuff that I will never die.

20:51

Play. A

20:57

very thought of myself. game

24:00

played alright in the first half maybe

24:02

even these players are playing to the

24:05

best of their level but that just

24:07

shows that the level of

24:09

this team is nowhere near Bayern

24:11

Munich's level. Bayern were pretty

24:13

comfortable throughout Kingsley

24:16

Coman scored the only goal of

24:18

the game, that's Kingsley Coman who

24:21

United enquired about signing a

24:23

couple of years ago and to rub

24:25

even more salt into the wounds the

24:27

Copenhagen goal scorer is also

24:30

a Manchester United fan. So

24:32

no European football, long winter

24:34

weeks with no

24:37

football maybe you can get

24:39

through the FA Cup fifth round and

24:42

there'll be some midweek football again but it all

24:45

feels so so disappointing.

24:48

I hoped Old Trafford would be better, I thought

24:50

A stand was good but the

24:52

Bayern Munich fans were very

24:54

good even when they were singing footballs

24:57

coming home and is this

24:59

a library in English just

25:02

to rub it all in

25:05

and the one United fan which made me laugh

25:07

was he only sings when he tells you to

25:10

the Bayern Munich capo who

25:13

leads their songs. It

25:16

was really

25:19

really frustrating to watch that but the

25:21

damage wasn't done against Bayern Munich at

25:23

home it was all

25:25

those mistakes, failures to hold

25:28

a lead in Copenhagen

25:31

in Istanbul it's not even

25:33

a difficult group not

25:35

really not compared even to some of the others. So

25:38

United the

25:40

team gets what

25:42

it deserves a complete failure I

25:46

thought Old Trafford could have been much better as well

25:48

apart from those small pockets I think

25:50

it's got a pretty apathetic crowd a

25:53

resigned crowd you heard the comments

25:55

before the game on this

25:57

podcast people didn't think that we'd win average

26:00

in terms of noise level. I

26:02

watch football around Europe, the atmosphere

26:04

is miles better at stadiums, a

26:06

third of the size of Old

26:09

Trafford. And this is

26:11

where we are. Maybe the fans

26:13

are shell-shocked. Maybe they're coming to

26:15

terms with the new reality of

26:17

a team that's not very good

26:21

and it's hugely frustrating that

26:23

that is a case that the team can't even

26:25

get into the Europa League. Now

26:27

I know there's been loads and loads of injuries this

26:30

season. I still back the manager. I'm

26:33

not sure if the manager needs help.

26:36

I see other football clubs where

26:38

there's a really tight sports director

26:42

relationship with the manager where

26:44

it's the sports director responsible for the

26:47

signings, not the manager, because

26:49

the manager is responsible

26:52

for all the signings at Manchester United, which

26:55

is great for him, but what

26:58

if he leaves like the previous four

27:00

or five managers? What happens then?

27:03

What does an ex-manager do when he comes in and

27:05

he sees Anthony? Doesn't look anything like

27:08

the price tag that he has.

27:11

And it's just this rinse and repeat cycle.

27:15

And we've

27:17

got a game at Anfield on Sunday.

27:19

Honestly, I have got

27:21

so little optimism going in to

27:24

that game at Anfield because I

27:27

think United are carrying 13 injuries.

27:31

Liverpool are playing really well

27:34

because United conceded seven last

27:37

time, four the time before that

27:39

because Liverpool are now dominating

27:41

that fixture, which they couldn't do in the

27:43

80s even when United were nowhere

27:46

near Liverpool's level. United's players, your Robsons,

27:48

your White Sides, the Scouts Busters, they

27:50

could find something extra against Liverpool. Do

27:53

I ever hope that these lads can

27:55

do the same thing? Not really. Not

27:58

much at all. So

28:01

we're living on memories, we're living on

28:03

singing about Oligon, Solskjaer, scoring

28:06

against Bayern Munich 24

28:08

years ago and other

28:11

teams make their headlines now. Just looking at the

28:14

possession stats, 40% possession

28:16

in a home game against Bayern

28:18

Munich. Five shots on target,

28:21

Bayern had 10, sorry five

28:23

shots, Bayern had 10, United

28:25

only had one shot on target in 90 minutes,

28:28

that would be the Luke Shaw one. Bayern

28:30

had three, 409 passes

28:32

for United, 606 for

28:36

Bayern, 83% passing

28:38

accuracy for United, 88% for

28:41

United, four corners, one

28:43

two for Bayern, 10 fouls

28:45

conceded, nine for Bayern. Oof,

28:50

that was a hard, hard watch. We're

28:53

used to United surging towards the goal

28:56

late on in any games if the team

28:59

are losing but one

29:01

win from six, four points, Bayern

29:04

Munich got 16 points, that's a

29:06

massive, massive gap. Goal difference of

29:08

minus three, it's minus in the

29:10

league as well, I think it

29:12

might have been minus three and

29:16

in the league cup, well we got

29:18

beaten free by Newcastle didn't we? Oh,

29:23

this is so depressing

29:26

to see, I didn't even think

29:29

this was going

29:31

to happen and honestly Bayern

29:34

fans singing is just a library, it's just

29:36

a complete piss take that this is allowed

29:39

to happen. I did like the Bayern fans

29:41

with the £50 lasers overkill banner and the

29:43

20 is plenty. They're

29:46

pretty switched on as we heard, as

29:49

we read in United We Stand and even from

29:52

the two lads I spoke to before the game.

29:56

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32:25

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32:28

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32:30

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32:32

Christmas since 2005 2006. I remember

32:37

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32:40

from the ground in Paris after

32:42

United lost to Leland people

32:45

were seriously concerned

32:48

that Alex Ferguson was the right man to

32:51

take the club forward really there's a lot

32:53

of Ferguson criticism in Paris

32:55

that night and that

32:57

came in the year at the

32:59

Glazer take-off over so it was

33:01

a pretty bad year

33:03

for Manchester United now

33:07

this time it's not

33:10

been a great year either I mean since

33:12

February when United won against Newcastle

33:14

at Wembley and

33:16

played well and those two great

33:18

games about against Barcelona United

33:21

have gone right off the boil right off the

33:23

boil this season has not been close

33:25

to being good enough the team have lost far

33:28

too many matches and because

33:30

the team don't draw but

33:32

win or lose the team

33:35

are that far off a top four place

33:38

but we know what we're watching with our own eyes

33:40

the team doesn't score enough too

33:42

many players are not playing well too many players are

33:45

not able to play because of

33:47

injuries there's got to be a big big

33:49

improvement but the season's done the

33:52

season's sunk out the League Cup out of Europe what's

33:54

it to play for the team aren't going to win

33:56

the league what's what

33:58

comes next qualify for the

34:00

top four. For what? To go out again. This

34:03

team's nowhere near good enough to do anything in

34:05

Europe. FA Cup, yeah,

34:07

absolutely. It'd be great if United can

34:09

win it. I still respect that competition

34:11

a lot but

34:14

this season has really sunk

34:16

in the last month or so and

34:20

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34:22

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