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Hey Ben, earning a

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podcast. Please

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be quiet. Okay.

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This is Unorthodox, the universe's leading

0:13

Jewish podcast. I am Stephanie Butnick

0:16

and I'm joined by my co-hosts,

0:18

tablet editor at large, Leah Leibovitz.

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Shalom. And World Pickleball Association, Los

0:23

Angeles Men's 50-plus bronze finalist, Joshua

0:25

Molina. Yes, I'm number three. Don't

0:27

ask me how many teams there were. Our

0:31

first guest this week is Andrew Goldberg.

0:33

He is the director of a new

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documentary called Armenia, My Home. It just

0:37

aired on PBS and Lael and Joshua

0:39

talked to him all about it. And

0:42

then we interview Eilon Levy, the official

0:44

spokesperson of the Israeli government about fighting

0:46

the war on the digital front. But

0:49

first, what's new with you guys? I

0:51

mean, first of all, look, I'm sorry, number

0:54

three pickleball champ in all of greater Los

0:56

Angeles. I need to hear a lot more

0:58

about this. Well, this is a specific tournament.

1:01

I played with my partner, Vladimir

1:03

Eugene, in the 50s plus

1:05

men's doubles event. There were in fact

1:07

10 teams and we came in third,

1:09

my greatest achievement of the week. I

1:11

used to have a fencing coach who always preferred

1:13

to be third place versus second, because third place

1:15

means you like win for third and you lose

1:17

for second. So I would like to extend you

1:19

that grace and that philosophy. Thank you. Yes,

1:22

that's what we were trying to do. We were trying

1:24

to win for third. I'm sorry, but how are you

1:26

so calm about this? If I won third place in

1:28

anything, you'd be hearing about this for months, maybe even

1:30

years. You're still like, oh yes,

1:33

you know, there were 10 other teams. I'm a

1:35

remark, hashtag humble. Can we talk about the other

1:37

teams? Who are the other teams? What were their

1:39

weaknesses? Tell us about some of your greatest moments.

1:41

If you play pickleball, there are two real types

1:43

of players. There are bangers who hit the ball

1:45

really hard and at the other person, that

1:48

is what we are like. And there are people

1:50

who have more nuanced finesse games where you dink

1:52

and play soft drop shots and whatnot. And that's

1:54

what the better players really do. I'm just gonna

1:57

hitting it hard at other people. Bangers and droppers.

1:59

I have. to expand my game in the future. So,

2:01

okay, this is LA. How, like, star-studded

2:03

is any given tournament for any given sport?

2:06

It's so not star-studded that I, if

2:08

there were a name in the tournament, it would

2:10

be me. And it was you? Yeah, I guess

2:12

so. I mean, not that anyone was excited, but

2:15

I recognize me. I feel like there should have

2:17

been a special t-shirt that was like, I

2:19

was whacked with pickleball by Joshua Molina. Pickleballers

2:21

do like pickleball puns, and a lot

2:23

of pickleball wear features puns. I haven't

2:26

addressed it yet. I would not even

2:28

know a pickleball pun if one hit

2:30

me in the face. What are some

2:32

pickleball terms? You know, things that are

2:34

both terminology and pickleball, like dink and

2:36

kitchen, and have other meanings

2:38

in the language. I'm not saying they're clever

2:40

necessarily, but there's- I have to say, this is

2:42

the WPA, the World Pickleball Association.

2:45

I did not realize pickleball went beyond

2:47

America. I thought it was like

2:49

a distinctly American phenomenon. Yes, well,

2:51

much like American baseball teams and

2:53

some Canadian teams play the World

2:55

Series. So I guess in that

2:57

sense, it was a world event yesterday. Although

2:59

really it was a small gathering

3:02

of older people in Los Angeles. Idea

3:04

for movie, Joshua Molina trains the National

3:06

Jamaican Pickleball team to

3:08

an Olympic medal. Lael, do

3:10

you have any wins lately? Like, can you even compete

3:13

with that? Or are you just a dink? So

3:15

I used that right, I definitely didn't. I

3:17

have no wins. Stephanie, you and I feel

3:19

we've been through a lot this week. Do

3:21

you want to set the scene to where we

3:23

spent our last couple of days? What did we

3:26

survive this week? I will say, I wasn't

3:29

as affected by this experience as you

3:31

and some of our colleagues, where we had

3:33

our first ever tablet retreat. We

3:35

went up to the Catskills, to like a retreat

3:37

center and did like workshopping, things like that.

3:39

I'll say this began when a colleague said,

3:42

these are a bunch of truly horrible

3:44

uptight people. The thing that they need

3:47

is a yoga retreat, bring all

3:49

these anxious Jews to a yoga

3:52

center, to kind of a Zen

3:54

Buddhist, Tibetan Buddhist, monastery compound type

3:56

situation up in the mountains. And

3:59

immediately, They will become better people.

4:01

They will be relaxed. They will be at

4:03

one with their oneness. Everything

4:05

would be okay. Whoever made this

4:07

decision really, really, really overestimated us,

4:10

I feel. Look, we went into

4:12

nature, basically. I would say that we went into

4:14

nature, and everyone dealt with that

4:16

in their own way. And then on the

4:18

second night, the power went out. When the

4:21

power went out, it also meant the Wi-Fi went

4:23

out. And that's when you really saw panic set

4:25

in in the eyes of our

4:27

coworkers who suddenly couldn't get on

4:30

Instagram or things like that. To

4:32

be fair to the panicked brigade,

4:34

the same storm that took the

4:36

power out also resulted in a

4:38

tree and a power line that

4:40

lost all access to and from

4:42

our compound. And

4:48

this is after two days of complaining

4:50

bitterly about the food, because, as you

4:53

can imagine, from the Tibetan Buddhist retreat,

4:55

the food was, shall we say, particular.

4:58

A kitchen may be a pickleball term, but

5:00

it is certainly not a term that anyone

5:02

at that retreat knew very much about. It

5:05

was all glop. It was unidentifiable, glop

5:07

with all kinds of ingredients that no

5:09

one could win or pronounce, as I

5:11

said in the retreat. I'm pretty sure we won a

5:13

few wars just so that we would never have to

5:15

eat like this. And at some

5:17

point, it got very taxing because the alcohol

5:20

that we brought, zocopious, because of course, alcohol

5:22

is not allowed on the premises of the

5:24

Tibetan Buddhist retreat, was

5:26

running very low. And so it was

5:29

with empty stomachs and full hearts that

5:32

the storm took out the power line

5:34

only to inform us that our plan

5:36

to leave immediately and go to the nearest feature

5:38

joint and have a great time is not going

5:40

to come to fruition. It was about like 25 minutes

5:42

in where Lael stands up in the dark. We're all being

5:44

illuminated by our iPhones. And Lael says,

5:47

all right, if this doesn't resolve itself

5:49

in 10 minutes, my car is going back

5:51

to civilization and all these people shared. And

5:54

then of course, we find out that there is

5:56

in fact, a down power line and trees blocking

5:58

our one road of evil. And

6:00

it quickly turned into a real team building experience.

6:02

And you saw like, you saw people's true metal.

6:05

When you test people, you see what they're really made

6:07

of. And it turned out that we were made of

6:09

like mushy Upper West Side. Like we

6:12

weren't made of much. Now,

6:14

sadly, not for us, but for them,

6:16

our partners in this retreat, the other

6:18

group at the same center, were

6:21

a host of death doulas, which

6:23

apparently is a thing. Those

6:25

are people just like doulas who help you bring

6:28

life into this world. They help you leave. And

6:30

these very nice people, by all accounts, were sitting

6:32

there in the dark and chanting, which

6:34

of course disturbed us greatly because it was

6:37

much too serene and lovely for our taste.

6:39

At which point we attempted to convert to

6:41

them, which resulted in this great

6:43

conversation, which one of our

6:45

colleagues walked up to the had doula in

6:47

chief, the headest doula,

6:49

and said, how do you know

6:52

if you're doing a good job? I mean,

6:54

it's not like you could ever get feedback from

6:56

your clients. At which point

6:58

the doula just looked at him and be like, who

7:00

are you? You all are very awful people.

7:03

My favorite part was like the people there had a

7:05

very Buddhist attitude, like the power was out. It was

7:07

going to come back on when it came back on.

7:09

They had a generator for us in certain areas. And

7:11

it turns out that is not the answer that antsy

7:13

New Yorkers want to hear. Do

7:15

you guys not have any epigenetic trauma in

7:18

you? Leave. Escape. What are you doing here?

7:20

That's not a scam. It's not a scam.

7:22

They pull up Buddhist retreats. Oh, the power

7:24

is out. No Wi-Fi. That was real. If

7:27

they did, it would be the smartest thing

7:29

in the world. But this tells you

7:31

everything you need to know about this here podcast, because

7:34

the moment of glory belongs.

7:36

Just before the storm started,

7:38

this show's showrunner, Courtney Hazlett, stopped

7:41

by the nearest pizza place, waltzed

7:44

in, and 20 minutes

7:46

later returned like an

7:49

armful of three, four, five

7:51

pizza trays, wine, and everything that

7:53

we needed to sustain us through the storm. At

7:56

that point, of course, we did not yet know that we would

7:58

be shut in. But it was all over. a

8:00

heroic effort. I had a very good time. Even

8:03

the ladybug infestation did not

8:05

dampen the spirits of spending

8:07

a lot of time with your colleagues in

8:10

a muddy upstate retreat. It

8:12

sounds like of the three of us, Melina, you

8:14

are the one winner. Is that right? I won

8:16

this week? What do I get? You get the

8:18

third place. I get third place out

8:20

of the three of us, you're saying? No, you get

8:22

first place. Sounds to me like I lost. You

8:26

won for first. You

8:28

get the Golden Paddle Award, the patty, if you

8:30

will. News of the Jews. Oh

8:35

yeah. N-O-T-J,

8:38

news of the

8:41

Jews. News

8:43

of the Jews. Here's today's headline. Jewish

8:45

woman changes the world. I rewrote

8:47

that myself, but this is about Ruth Goddess-Minn,

8:50

who is the woman who recently donated

8:52

one billion dollars to a

8:54

medical school in the Bronx. It's the Albert

8:56

Einstein College of Medicine, and the

8:58

directive with the gift is that it

9:00

be used to cover tuition for all students

9:02

going forward, and that is just the most

9:04

amazing thing ever. Can I say, I thought

9:06

so long and so hard about like what

9:09

kind of, you know, smart, allicky, funny

9:11

thing I could say. I absolutely

9:13

have nothing to say except for

9:15

Ruth Goddess-Minn, your freaking legend. This

9:17

is incredible, incredible, incredible, and if,

9:20

you know, more rich people were

9:22

less interested in sending penis-shaped objects

9:24

into space, and more interested in,

9:26

I don't know, helping people become

9:28

better doctors without incurring incredible amounts

9:31

of debt, we'll be a

9:33

little bit better off as a society. Unbelievable. Let me

9:35

give you a little bit more info. She's a

9:37

former professor at the medical school where, according

9:39

to The New York Times, she studied learning

9:41

disabilities, developed a screening test, and ran literacy

9:43

programs. This is one of the

9:45

largest charitable donations to an educational institute in the

9:47

United States, and most likely the largest to a

9:50

medical school. The money was left to

9:52

her by her late husband, David Goddess-Minn, who is known

9:54

as Sandy, which I actually really like. I think we

9:56

should bring that back. He was a protege of Warren

9:58

Buffett, and this is basically like Berkshire Hathaway

10:01

stock that he left to her and said

10:03

like do something important with this. But

10:05

here's the best part of the story. A condition

10:07

of the gift is that the school not be

10:09

renamed for her. So most people when they give

10:11

a university a lot of money what they ask

10:13

for or usually demand is that like a school

10:15

get named in their honor. And she gave the best

10:17

quote. She says, we've got the gosh darn name.

10:19

We've got Albert Einstein. I think it's

10:22

fantastic. That is a that is a

10:24

strong break with normative Jewish philanthropy or

10:26

maybe all philanthropy altogether. So I always

10:28

laugh whenever I visit the university of

10:30

Judaism here in L.A. Everything is named.

10:32

The Esther and Marvin Fingerhut bench.

10:34

Like everything you pass, every object has

10:37

been paid for and there's a name

10:39

on it. The Joshua Molina pickleball court.

10:41

Pickleball court, yes. It's sculpted entirely out

10:43

of bronze. But yes,

10:45

I think that's awesome that she's giving

10:47

a billion with a B and requires no

10:50

naming to be done. My modities would

10:52

be proud. It's amazing. But Ruth Gottesman, we

10:54

will say your name. Every time you hear

10:56

about these like large philanthropic efforts and like

10:59

people start squawking this inevitably some person

11:01

says like, what do you care? Rich

11:03

people who should do whatever they want with their money.

11:05

And of course, you know, it's 100% true

11:08

naturally. But if you're a very rich

11:10

person, at some point, don't you want to feel I

11:13

mean, I'm not talking rich person at the level of

11:15

like, oh, I have 30 million

11:17

dollars. I'm talking like I have 30

11:19

billion dollars. At some point, don't you

11:21

actually want to stop and consider what

11:23

impact you are going to have

11:26

with this spending because you do want to

11:28

leave some kind of market. If so, like,

11:30

wouldn't you want to stop and look

11:32

at this example and say like, wow,

11:34

there actually are things that we

11:37

could do here in this world. Does

11:39

that make a tremendous frickin

11:41

difference? Speaking of making a

11:43

tremendous difference. Let me read you this

11:45

headline from the New York Post Jewish

11:47

singles flock to Philadelphia matchmaking conference, Yanticon

11:50

to meet that special someone. I have

11:52

to say before we even get to

11:54

the story, I have to break down

11:56

something that bothers me deeply and happens

11:58

pretty regularly across society. And

12:00

that is this idea that a yenta

12:02

is a matchmaker. It's not

12:05

true again. It is not a matchmaker It

12:07

all comes from fiddler on the roof where the

12:09

matchmaker is named yenta But a yentas on a

12:11

matchmaker against it is a yenta like a busybody

12:13

someone who's up in your business not necessarily a

12:16

matchmaker So I think it's really really important that

12:18

we just like clear the air right now

12:20

But actually what you're saying is like

12:22

not all yentas are matchmakers, but all

12:24

matchmakers are yentas for sure Yenta

12:31

Khan is the opposite of Santa Khan You

12:33

know Santa Khan is just a bunch of

12:35

drunken Santas who lead to nothing but mayhem

12:37

and lowliness and despair Yenta Khan leads

12:39

to some shit us. It's

12:41

amazing. This was I'll just read This is

12:44

the inaugural yenta Khan and it was billed

12:46

as the first matchmaking conference in the country

12:49

Designed to match members of the tribe and

12:51

here's a quote from the article. It's the year

12:53

of the yenta Declared NYC yenta

12:55

Bonnie Winston who says that matchmakers are

12:57

working over time trying to pair up

12:59

singles looking for a Jewish connection in

13:01

the wake Of the October 7th Hamas

13:04

attacks amid a surge in anti-Semitism. This

13:06

is a topical by the way before October 7th

13:08

No single Jews were looking for no single

13:11

Jews had mothers are like so When

13:13

are you going? Where are we gonna dance at

13:16

your wedding? This is a brand new phenomenon only

13:18

after the Hamas like there were seven attack one

13:20

of the many ways in which it changed us

13:23

It turned out Jewish people like to marry

13:25

Jews. So what happened that yet again that

13:27

people are there no singles there It's the

13:29

yentas or the matchmakers rather who are comparing

13:31

you who have you got whom have you

13:33

got and do I have somebody for that

13:35

person? Yes, there were there were

13:37

PowerPoint presentations according to the article

13:39

matchmakers showcase their clients during PowerPoint

13:42

presentations Including the Bachelor from

13:44

New York City with the beach house

13:46

in East Hampton the quirky Disney addict

13:48

the self-made VC and I'm

13:51

reading this I did not make this up and

13:53

the holy grail of matches the single Jewish doctor

13:55

now Look, I don't know a lot about

13:57

matchmaking at all, but I'm

13:59

gonna guess that if you show the

14:01

following four people, you have the person

14:04

with the beach house in East Hampton,

14:06

the self-made VC, the single

14:09

Jewish doctor, and the quirky

14:11

Disney addict. I'm saying one

14:13

of those is not getting a shittah at

14:15

the end of the con. But

14:18

he likes Mulan! It's his favorite movie! He cries

14:20

in Mulana! But

14:23

yeah, so all the Ghentas came together, I guess, to

14:25

pool their resources and say, like, I got this person,

14:27

you have this person. And it's sort

14:30

of like a fantasy football draft

14:32

night, I imagine, having no understanding of what

14:34

that is, where everyone's like, I got this, who's got

14:36

this? And I bet it led to a lot of matches.

14:39

Not unlike SantaCon, but these hopefully will be more

14:41

enduring. I just love the fact that Bonnie,

14:44

by the way, unimproveably named Yenta,

14:47

named Bonnie, said, it's

14:49

the year of the Yenta. It's like, what it's like the

14:51

Chinese New Year's, we also had like the year of, like

14:53

the year of the Drag Race. It's the year of the

14:55

Yenta. It's the year of the

14:57

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14:59

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17:10

Alright, let's get back to the show. Look,

17:20

we here in the show talk a

17:22

lot about Israel, a country currently at

17:24

war. We are, as a Jewish community,

17:26

sometimes defined ourselves as the diaspora, as

17:28

in the Jews who are not in

17:30

the land of Israel. But there is

17:32

another nation out there who is also

17:34

currently at war and also has a

17:36

large diaspora that cares very much about

17:38

this conflict with its very difficult neighbors.

17:41

And I'm talking about Armenia, a nation

17:43

which, as you know, listening to the

17:45

show, I care about deeply and have

17:47

had the good fortune of visiting. And

17:50

now it is the subject of a new documentary

17:52

called Armenia, My Home. It just aired on PBS

17:54

and it's available. And it really

17:56

kind of struck me how incredibly Jewish the

17:59

whole thing was. because if you

18:01

really just subbed five of

18:03

the words in this documentary to be like,

18:05

the first time I landed in Tel Aviv

18:07

instead of Yerevan, I felt, oh my God,

18:09

a lot of people who look like me.

18:12

It is really a bizarre way of thinking

18:14

about our own Jewish identity through

18:16

a totally different people's narrative

18:20

and conversation. And so Joshua

18:22

Molina, Los Angeles pickleball champ,

18:25

Joshua Molina, and myself

18:27

sat down to talk to director Andrew

18:29

Goldberg. And

18:38

welcome to Rosadox. Thank you, I'm glad to

18:40

be here. Tell us about this incredible film

18:42

that I already had the privilege of watching,

18:45

but everyone listening would have the joy of

18:47

watching very soon. Well, the film is a

18:49

journey through the land of Armenia, which a

18:51

lot of people don't know is a free

18:54

and independent country, albeit very small. It's located

18:56

just North of Iran and South of Georgia

18:58

and Russia. And it's to the right

19:00

or the East of Turkey and to the left

19:02

of Azerbaijan. It's in a very complicated, complicated

19:05

as a nice word neighborhood. And

19:08

it's interesting because it's a kind of a mix of East

19:10

and West. It's got a lot of the European sort

19:12

of flair to it along with a

19:15

heavy dose of Middle Easternism and Russian

19:17

Soviet influence. It's really unlike any other

19:19

place in the world. And

19:21

I was really excited that PBS wanted us to

19:23

do a film about this place. It's

19:26

not a place when people say, here's where I'm gonna go next

19:28

year. I'll book a trip. You don't say, oh, I'm gonna go

19:30

to Armenia. And yet we decided to make a film about it.

19:32

And we were really happy with how it turned out because it's

19:34

such a fascinating, interesting,

19:37

layered, complicated place with a big history,

19:39

which parallels Jewish history in a lot

19:41

of ways, I think, because they too

19:43

had a country tied to completely eradicate

19:45

them from the face of the earth

19:47

with their genocide, which happened in 1915.

19:50

In fact, Hitler said, who remembers the genocide

19:52

of the Armenians? So as

19:55

a Jew, there was a parallel for me

19:57

there. There always has been. That was the

19:59

event. Like that. Coined the term originally

20:01

for genocide. correct? Well, that's the term was

20:03

put together as it is. It's general meeting

20:05

group and and seat airside mean to tell

20:07

from the Latin. I don't remember who assembled

20:09

the word originally. I do. I actually do

20:11

know. I just can't come to it off

20:13

the top. My headlamp can I think as

20:15

referral lump can deal with Lincoln. But I

20:17

don't know that. I think there was a

20:19

link. Who has some linguistics hit. So.

20:22

Lemkin then try to make it a you

20:24

know get it passed. United States have very

20:26

last paths but I actually did. You find

20:28

some amazing interview with limped and talking about

20:30

the and means that no one had ever

20:33

seen before. In an earlier some I did

20:35

on the Armenian genocide or the business I

20:37

learned about the Armenians. I had been sitting

20:39

a course on holocaust in college and and

20:42

he said will you don't know about this

20:44

but. There's. What we would call

20:46

the Hidden Genocide of the Forgotten Genocide. This

20:48

was in Nineteen Eighty. Seven.

20:50

Or eight or something like that. And I had

20:52

never heard of Armenian anything as it went. When

20:54

you first started this the seeing a mean it's

20:56

one thing to say. Oh yea they they have

20:59

a genocide. We had a genocide. I kind of

21:01

get that. It's. A totally different

21:03

things to capture. The. Emotional

21:05

that city capture in this film because a

21:07

lot of it. Is not just about the

21:09

history but a lot of it. As about. Life.

21:11

And I mean, you're right now. Which has to do. First.

21:14

And foremost with this. Idea of

21:16

diaspora which is for something

21:18

the Jews understand innately. This.

21:21

Notion that even though you're born

21:23

in the Celaya or a Lebanon

21:25

or you know, glendale. Summer.

21:27

Across the world. There's. This magical country

21:29

and when you land they're all the sudden even

21:31

though you may not speak the language mean and

21:33

never been there. All. The sudden it

21:35

feels like. You're. Home explain

21:37

that. I'd. Be lying if I

21:39

said that the Jewish parallel is not

21:41

very much connected to my interest in

21:43

this story, it is. It really comes

21:45

down to this notion of survival. Certainly

21:47

there's a sense in my community Jewish

21:50

community meeting my family who was from

21:52

Chicago and what have you that that

21:54

we as left it. you know our

21:56

homeland which was Eastern Europe at the

21:58

time and then it was our responsibility

22:00

here. The I'd say the keep this

22:02

going whether it was our religion or

22:04

language or food or culture or Gustav

22:06

Really cool. it's what does that mean

22:08

And in fact when I made my

22:10

second documentary ever it was called the

22:12

Armenians a Story of Survival and these

22:14

the beginning of the film was there's

22:16

this this giant stone cold resistant stones

22:18

in Iran which has carved all the

22:20

names of the countries that the person

22:22

king had conquered and all of them

22:24

are gone except one and that one

22:26

is our And so I continually was

22:28

thinking about the parallels. With what my

22:30

grandmother and what my family had told

22:33

me about this desire that people don't

22:35

necessarily want us to exist for any

22:37

number of reasons, and that it's our

22:39

responsibility certainly without a homeland or certainly

22:41

outside of our homeland, I, we had

22:43

Israel. And. They had our media, but

22:45

here in the United States we have Big

22:47

Macs, Burger King and and Mcdonalds and all

22:49

the things that subvert ethnic culture. Before you

22:51

know, if you're you throw your fish sticks

22:54

in the oven and you're drinking a soda

22:56

and you've forgotten sort of who you are,

22:58

you just become this bland sort of American.

23:01

And. That was my sort of fear as a

23:03

Jew, I wanna instill that in my kids and I

23:05

brought their pals the telling this story which I think

23:07

is very much part of the Armenian right guys.

23:09

We have to continue who we are and now we

23:11

have a country. Only. In the

23:13

last thirty some years do we have a country? But

23:15

and we finally have a place that is gonna help

23:18

us exists out of think that. When people

23:20

are Italian or Greek in this country

23:22

they're saying to themselves oh my goodness

23:24

there's a chance that we could no

23:26

longer exists that seem runs through Jewish

23:28

thinking. it runs through Armenian thinking. I

23:31

think that was a parallels that was

23:33

very i don't want to say attracted

23:35

to me but interesting and sadly it's

23:37

saw Not just you know ancient history.

23:39

Yeah, just like contemporary Israelis is fighting,

23:41

you know more for three Survival. Contemporary.

23:44

Armenia is undergoing what some have

23:46

I think very rightfully describes as

23:48

a full blown genocide perpetrated by

23:50

the As Aires and in art

23:52

soft sometimes of it as the

23:54

born of carbon. you touch in

23:56

that a little bit in the film but voters

23:58

would to make a movie at a

24:00

time where the country is still very much engaged

24:03

and more for its survival. Look, the Carbox thing

24:05

is interesting and it's complicated much like Israel is.

24:07

There are no sort of one-dimensional simple answers. I

24:09

think people like to throw platitudes at a lot

24:12

of these things. Here I am

24:14

just two seconds before I got on here reading

24:16

about an article about someone's contextualization

24:18

of Gaza. And of course, 80% of

24:21

the things they say are wrong. I

24:23

mean, and this is sort of the

24:25

ugly nature of geopolitics, right? I mean,

24:27

it's never a clean situation. I

24:29

can say this, it is a much

24:31

cleaner situation with Karabakh than one might expect.

24:33

When I was over there, they wouldn't let

24:35

us in. The Azerbaijanis had blockaded the one

24:37

road that lets you in to

24:39

Artha. And they were not

24:42

letting anybody in. They were not letting anybody out. No

24:44

journalists were going in. And ultimately they

24:46

just attacked with their military after we left,

24:48

took the entire thing and drove the entire

24:50

Armenian population in. That meets certain

24:52

definitions of genocide in that regard. At least it was

24:54

not a mass murder. I'm glad they didn't kill. There's

24:56

over 100,000 people that live there. I'm glad that

24:59

they didn't kill them. And we had

25:01

to then edit the film and add this into

25:03

the film because this had not originally happened. Originally,

25:06

my interviews all said Azerbaijan

25:08

has blockaded Artha. Now

25:11

the film that was changed before it went to

25:13

air, before it was released to say Azerbaijan has

25:15

taken it and driven out all these people. That's

25:17

a human rights violation of the worst order, no

25:19

matter how you cut it. There are simply no

25:22

Armenians. There are actually, there might be a few

25:24

families. I've heard that there may be even some

25:26

prison camps. That's a pretty tragic

25:28

human rights catastrophe any way you look at

25:30

it. One of the most

25:33

amazing things that the film captures very

25:35

beautifully. You know, I had the pleasure

25:38

and privilege of spending some time in the

25:40

Eravan. And even in

25:42

the middle of conflict, even in the middle

25:44

of uncertainty, I was completely

25:47

struck by how lively

25:49

and hopeful it

25:52

really seemed to me. No one I

25:54

talked to was in despair. No one

25:56

I talked to was consumed by rage.

25:58

People were committed. to keep an

26:01

eye on committed to being the best that

26:03

they can in a way that really

26:05

struck me much more gritty and resilient Than

26:08

you may expect of a population Dealing

26:11

with so many Hardships tell

26:13

us about the feeling that you got when you

26:15

set foot in there in Yervan and really started

26:17

making the film and talking To the people first

26:19

of all, you know, I have a camera so

26:21

I'm gonna get a lot of interesting people always

26:23

You know, you see a camera and they do

26:25

a little dance for you So in that sense,

26:27

I think we get a slightly biased version of

26:29

things that might show a little bit more optimism

26:31

of them the Optimistic and a little more pessimism

26:33

among the pessimistic, but there certainly is a sense

26:35

of optimism there There's a sense of enthusiasm there.

26:37

I think they're there united by a common purpose

26:39

and a common cause I don't think

26:41

that if you go to Italy or France There's

26:44

a sense that we could be gone and now

26:46

we're getting a second chance on life But there's

26:49

a little of that in Armenia This is a

26:51

people that came out of so much hardship and

26:53

suddenly they're doing really really well And that's a

26:55

good reason to be excited and enthusiastic. That's not

26:57

to say they don't have their share of you

27:00

know curmudgeon's we met plenty but

27:02

I do think that there's a sense of Armenia

27:04

being very much a current event and a work

27:06

in progress a community working toward a common goal

27:08

a collective enthusiasm that you

27:11

don't see I do have not been

27:13

back since the Arts off was

27:15

taken and all those refugees came in and

27:17

I understand that's that's taking a toll on people

27:19

But you know There is there's a sort of

27:21

an interesting enthusiasm in the community that I don't

27:23

see in other groups and it's it's infectious And

27:26

it's made telling the story a lot of fun.

27:28

They're very appreciative. There's a surprising amount

27:30

of humility They're excited that this funny

27:32

Jewish guy is telling their story as opposed to

27:34

you know I don't know I think a lot

27:36

of other communities would not want me anywhere near

27:38

telling their story now granted I have a long

27:40

track record of doing it so maybe I'm given

27:42

a pass but you know There's a lot

27:44

of like oh, you know when I say an Armenian word

27:47

everyone's excited about that You know if

27:49

I say thank you in German with someone I they

27:51

don't you know, whatever. Yeah, sure That's a

27:53

neat thing about the community So and it makes it fun

27:55

and they'll feed you by the way every every time you

27:57

go to an Armenian home You can expect to be fed

28:00

said well. Another connection to Jewish culture. And

28:02

the film was narrated by Andrea Martin, one

28:04

of my all-time favorite comedians and actors. Andrea

28:06

Martin's family name was Papasian. So Andrea tells

28:09

the story that her father saw the name

28:11

Martin on the side of a truck. So

28:13

he took the name and

28:15

later he took the truck. That's a whole

28:17

other story. Andrew Goldberg, thank

28:19

you so much for being our guest. Thank you.

28:36

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podcasts. Like, okay, nice. And I was

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that Molina boost. I just wanted to

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note that it's not only Catholics who

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While being a Pisgapalian is often called

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being Catholic light as a joke, Lent

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is fully observed in the Episcopal church.

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religion major and then went to grad school for

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religion. So I should know that I'm glad that

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Don wrote in because I remember when you guys

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were considering offering me the job to co-host I

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guaranteed I would bring in one to five new

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listeners. I've now crossed the bar. You

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were like, you know, I could really get you that

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Episcopal demo. That is what I really do well with. I

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told you I could bring that in. Joshua,

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why don't you read the second one?

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Because it's a real Melina love fest here today.

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31:00

mention? Yes. What a week I'm having first the

31:02

bronze and now. Hi, I

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don't know how I found your podcast, but

31:07

when I heard Joshua Melina misspelled, but I

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don't mind when I heard Joshua

31:11

Melina on it, I thought, yes, I cried

31:14

when he left chutzpah, not so much because

31:16

he left, but Rabbi Shira's blessing on him

31:18

brought me to tears. That's sweet. I

31:20

love your podcast. Your banter and spread of

31:23

ideas is a perfect balance, especially during these

31:25

unsettling times. I'm trying to catch up

31:27

on all your previous episodes. Meantime, you have

31:29

my attention. Excellent interview with

31:31

Dr. Phil. By the way, I had

31:34

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two mentions. Hallelujah. Let's see

31:47

if you could make it to

31:49

three. Shalom. We're

31:52

new listeners to your podcast and enjoying

31:54

it very much. We deeply resonated with

31:56

the listeners struggling with show becoming like

31:58

an IRL doom scroll. as

32:00

you so perfectly put it. We are young

32:02

professionals in the northern Virginia area outside of

32:05

DC, and like so many,

32:07

have been seeking familiar Jewish tradition and

32:09

community since 10-7. For

32:11

the first time as adults, we have

32:13

been trying to find the comfort of

32:15

the services we grew up with, but

32:17

we have been struggling with the sermons

32:19

at our synagogues being overly political. This

32:22

last Friday night at, they mention the name, but

32:24

let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt, sermon,

32:27

quote-unquote, was a 15-minute local news update about

32:29

a group of anti-Israel Palestinians who have partnered

32:32

with the Human Rights Commission to file a

32:34

ceasefire demand with the city council and

32:36

all of the nastiness around these local politics.

32:39

He even said something dark-like, he doesn't feel

32:41

God and Alexandria tonight because there's no love

32:43

between neighbors, and said that the Palestinians were

32:46

yelling that the IDF were baby killers. Afterward,

32:48

my friends and I were wondering, where's the

32:50

moral guidance? Where's the Torah? Where's

32:52

the search for common ground? Where's the reminder

32:54

that the small local anti-Israel activist group

32:56

can't hurt us as much as strengthening our

32:59

relationship with our true neighbors can help us?

33:01

I think reform synagogues do tend to be

33:03

more political than the conservative Chabad synagogues, but

33:06

we struggle to find people in our age

33:08

group at more religious synagogues. I'd be interested to

33:11

know if people are noticing this political

33:13

environment across all sects. Also, figuring it

33:15

can hurt to ask, if you're aware

33:17

of a conservative synagogue in the northern

33:19

Virginia or DC area where there are

33:21

some young people and young families in

33:23

the demographic, we would love the recommendations.

33:26

Thank you, Hannah and Kay.

33:31

This is really interesting. First of all,

33:33

I'm not at all sure that politicization

33:35

of sermons is something that only reform

33:37

synagogues are guilty of. I

33:39

could think of plenty of Orthodox synagogues that

33:41

do the exact same thing. But I think

33:44

the point here stands, even if the point

33:46

of view you hear from the Bima is

33:48

one with which you totally agree, the space

33:50

that we seek is not that. The space

33:52

that we seek is just a place to

33:54

be together and practice Judaism and hear

33:57

a little bit of Torah. Sure, sometimes the real

33:59

world will... invade the sermons

34:01

and sometimes it's okay even necessary to

34:04

inject a little bit of righteous

34:06

fury from the puppet. But

34:08

for the most part, I for one Hanan completely

34:11

understand and share your

34:14

yearning for a religious space that just

34:17

does Torah and and let's Jews

34:19

be together in a beautiful

34:21

meaningful way. It's funny I feel

34:23

like in like the weeks after October 7th when

34:26

it was just like incoming all the time and

34:28

just like all the videos, I think I went

34:30

to a workout class and like had

34:32

to put my phone outside and like was

34:34

in a dark room for like 45 minutes and I was like

34:37

oh this is good like you kind of

34:39

can unplug and in a way I feel

34:41

like people want a break from this onslaught

34:43

of news and think-pieces and opinions and takes

34:45

and it's like it makes me

34:47

sad that if you're getting people in the door who

34:49

might not want to go right I just as with

34:51

the intercom people want to go to synagogue now and

34:54

it's been there just finding the same shit

34:57

that they're getting everywhere else right the same

34:59

like in your face must think about

35:01

this must know what you feel must like they're

35:04

not gonna go back and so I think it's this real

35:06

turning point where I get the people have people in the

35:08

door they don't usually like what do you do with these

35:10

people now that they're here I think every rabbi

35:12

and every congregation is like making a different

35:15

decision but you really really see this could

35:17

be you know a way in which people feel alienated

35:19

because what they actually want is like Jewish

35:22

stuff I think you know how they used

35:24

to have sometimes these pushka boxes in

35:26

which every time you said a bad word yet

35:28

but like a coin for charity

35:30

I think we should do the same thing

35:32

every time you have the urge like go

35:35

into winter and look at

35:37

people you agree with or more likely kind

35:39

of random people you disagree with you have

35:41

to read a page of tour you have

35:44

to automatically open Chabad or go to

35:46

safaria or something and study one page

35:48

of tour spiritual swear jar that's exactly

35:51

right a spiritual swear drum I like

35:53

it have the safari app always open

35:55

on your phone and every time the

35:58

finger goes on I don't know some

36:00

celebrity you hate Instagram or something like this

36:02

be like oh now I

36:04

have to spend 15 minutes studying something

36:07

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36:36

Levy my man started his professional

36:39

career as a tablet contributor but

36:41

now he serves as the official

36:43

spokesman of the Israeli government and

36:45

as you might imagine he's been

36:47

a little bit busy these last

36:49

couple of months we talked to

36:51

him about what it's like to

36:53

do that job these days and

36:55

about his very famous viral

36:58

interview with Sky News otherwise

37:00

known as the eyebrow incident

37:03

here's Aylon. Aylon

37:09

Levy welcome to Unorcheredexotable. Thank you it's

37:11

good to be here you know tablet magazine

37:13

launched my journalistic career which led to where

37:15

I am now so all this it's on

37:18

you. I was gonna say I went into my

37:20

inbox to see when how long ago we have

37:22

emailed since like for how long we've been emailing

37:24

I think I'm 2014 was

37:26

when you started writing for us. Back when

37:28

I was a student I started writing for

37:30

tablet magazine it was a fantastic platform to

37:32

bounce back ideas and develop them and never

37:34

looked back since. And so explain to

37:36

our listeners a little bit about where you

37:39

are and what this role of yours means

37:41

and what it entails what it is. These

37:43

have been the longest and

37:45

weirdest five months of my life since

37:47

the October 7 massacre. I

37:50

wasn't a government spokesman when 10-7 happened

37:52

I was simply a private citizen. With

37:54

a posh accent. Which definitely helps

37:58

on American television. I was

38:00

a private citizen, and when the war started,

38:02

everyone in Israel dropped everything and realized there

38:05

was only one thing that mattered right now.

38:07

Hamas had invaded us. It was taking hostages.

38:09

There was a war and only one thing

38:11

matters, and that's victory over Hamas and bringing

38:14

back the hostages. So I started giving interviews

38:16

from my living room as a former spokesman

38:18

to the president, to the foreign media, and

38:21

within a week, in a very, very surprising

38:23

twist of events, I found myself putting on

38:25

a suit and tie and being called in

38:28

in this emergency mobilization to go on

38:30

TV as an official government spokesman. I

38:32

love you, man. I love you

38:34

too, Leo. And I'm so grateful for

38:36

everything that you're doing and want to

38:38

celebrate you. But before we do any

38:40

of this, I want to ask the

38:43

kind of seminal kind of like asshole question

38:45

that I think is kind of needs to

38:47

be asked, which is this. You're

38:50

going there. You're sitting on

38:52

BBC, Sky, whatever. And

38:54

you know in advance, or maybe you don't.

38:57

You'll tell me if I'm wrong, but you

38:59

know in advance, they're not really there to

39:01

give you a fair shake. You know that

39:04

it's all a circus. You know that your

39:06

job here is basically to play the loyal

39:08

opposition to whatever decision these people have already

39:10

made. Do you think any of this

39:12

matters? Do you think you sitting there and being

39:14

like, no, guys, this is our

39:16

point of view. Does that even

39:18

make a dent in what seems

39:20

to be increasingly foreordained conclusion that

39:23

everybody hates us? Of course, it makes

39:25

a huge difference. Look, I don't think everyone

39:28

hates us. And I've had experiences in studios

39:30

with anchors who've seemed very fair and genuinely

39:32

inquisitive and want to learn. The British journalists

39:34

always try to crucify you and catch you

39:36

and I gotcha and say, hah, I've got

39:38

you to prove that you don't know or

39:40

to admit that not all journalists are like

39:43

that. But I remember that when

39:45

I'm being interviewed, it's not the anchor I'm trying

39:47

to persuade. It's the audience at home. It's the

39:49

people who are washing the dishes and watching their

39:51

kids and trying to lead normal lives and don't

39:54

necessarily wake up thinking about Israel and go to

39:56

sleep thinking about Israel. We do it. It's

39:58

not a very healthy habit. are trying to persuade.

40:01

And so even if the media are not

40:03

giving me a fair shake, sometimes it's the

40:05

tough interviews that give me the best opportunity

40:07

to make our case forward because they can

40:09

see that I'm being pressed and

40:11

being asked tough questions and you just have

40:14

to stand firm and give the answers and

40:16

polish the sound bites and hope it begins

40:18

to cut through. Are there particular organizations in

40:20

the United States, news organizations that you feel

40:22

are more balanced or fair? I

40:24

think that the American media by and

40:26

large from the interviews I've had on

40:29

television, I felt most of the interviews

40:31

have been fair. I've been pleasantly surprised

40:33

by CNN in the course of this

40:36

war. I think they've done a fantastic

40:38

job shining a spotlight on the atrocities

40:41

that Hamas perpetrated on 10-7. Very different

40:43

atmosphere from the British media, very different

40:45

from the Irish, where sometimes there's almost

40:47

no point going on because each one

40:49

is a repetition of how many children

40:51

do you intend to kill today. And

40:53

I think in this war,

40:55

many media outlets have actually been

40:57

giving us a fair shake. It's

41:00

becoming harder and harder as time goes on,

41:02

but I wouldn't write it off. Not at

41:04

all. I've watched the vast majority of your

41:06

interviews. I'm so sorry. It's a hobby of

41:08

mine. I love cheating for it. But here's

41:10

what I'm feeling. That's not a healthy habit either. That's

41:13

not into healthy habits. Not

41:15

even a little bit. But look, my blood

41:18

pressure rises on your behalf. Like I'm sitting

41:20

there watching you and I get angry for

41:22

you. It's like, how dare you do this

41:24

to Aylon? When you come off these interviews,

41:26

what do you do? Okay, you stepped out

41:29

the studio. Do you drink? Do you smoke

41:31

like two packs of Marlboro Red? How do

41:33

you come down from this contact sport? I

41:36

immediately download the clip, cut it, put subtitles on

41:38

it, and tried to push it out on every

41:40

possible social media platform. And

41:42

then I prepare for the next interview. And

41:45

there was one November interview that went

41:47

particularly viral. Yes. I was

41:49

speaking to a hostage negotiator this morning. He

41:51

made the comparison between the 50

41:54

hostages that Hamas has promised to release, as

41:56

opposed to the... Hundred

42:00

and fifty prisoners that up Palestinians

42:02

that Israel has said that it

42:04

will release and he made the

42:06

can set comparison between the numbers

42:08

and the fact that does Israel

42:10

not think that Palestinian lives are

42:12

valued as highly as Israeli? nice.

42:16

But. Is an astonishing Accusations: If we

42:18

could release one prisoner for every one

42:21

hostage, we would obviously do that. We

42:23

are operating in horrific circumstances. We're know

42:25

choosing to release these prisoners who have

42:27

blood on my hands. We are talking

42:29

about people who have been convicted of

42:32

stopping and shooting attacks. Noticed the question

42:34

of proportionality doesn't interest Palestinian supporters when

42:36

they were able to get more of

42:38

their prisoners outs are. really it is

42:41

outrageous to suggest that the fact that

42:43

we are willing to release prisoners from

42:45

a convicted of terrorism offenses. More

42:47

of them than we are getting our

42:49

own innocent children back. Somehow suggest that

42:51

we don't care about Palestinian life. Really,

42:53

that's a disgusting accusation. Well, my answer

42:56

would have been my answer would have

42:58

been yeah, you're absolutely right. In my

43:00

moral world views, the life of a

43:02

terrorist is not worth the same as

43:04

a life of an innocent babies. And.

43:06

If you believe differently than I think

43:08

that's on you. Tell. Me: why

43:11

such a. Militaristic.

43:13

Approach. Is. Absolutely the wrong

43:15

thing to say to a wide international

43:17

audience. Father or there are so many

43:19

possible answers that I could have given

43:21

at that moment. I don't think that

43:23

saying obviously we care more about innocent

43:25

children who were abducted than convicted terrorists

43:28

in jail or would have been a

43:30

bad answer, but it would have been

43:32

an irrelevant on said because the reason

43:34

that we were being forced to release

43:36

more Palestinian prisoners that we were getting

43:38

hostages was not that we valued their

43:40

lives last and therefore we had to

43:42

push against. that's I. mean what i

43:44

should have said was not that we would

43:47

have been happy to release one for one

43:49

but we would be happy to get all

43:51

the hostages out in exchange for zero president's

43:53

especially if releasing more prisoners would lead them

43:55

to feel undervalued which is of course the

43:57

last think we would what did to her

44:00

But this was a moment

44:02

where it really

44:04

changed the course of my

44:06

public exposure in this war within a couple

44:09

of days. That clip on Twitter got twice

44:11

as many views as there are people in

44:13

Israel. And it was a moment where,

44:16

no, I mean, it led to

44:19

I had a character on Israel's

44:21

version of Saturday Night Live and

44:23

the eyebrows have become a

44:25

trademark. It was a funny

44:27

interview because as she was asking

44:29

this question, here's the monologue that was going on

44:31

in my head. Where is she

44:33

going with this question? No

44:36

she's not. Yes, she is. This is gold. Okay,

44:40

you need to do something. Okay, ham

44:42

it up. On the count of three,

44:45

pull a face. One, two,

44:47

three. And then I pulled the eyebrows and

44:49

I remember telling myself, hold it for as

44:51

long as you can. Because

44:54

I realized that there was a TV moment.

44:56

What a big moment I could not have

44:58

possibly imagined. And I think that image of your

45:00

face with your eyes wide, your eyebrows up,

45:03

it transmitted a telegraph to all of us

45:05

watching that. The absurdity of some

45:07

of the situations that we find ourselves all

45:09

being put in, asking, having

45:11

to answer for things that don't really even

45:13

make sense. Absolutely. At times

45:16

it feels like it's an unwinnable argument. You're

45:18

saying, what do you say, that was a good answer but

45:20

it wasn't the right answer? It wasn't

45:22

what she was asking. I mean, I almost feel like everything

45:26

is a trap. And

45:28

it almost seems unwinnable. But you managed to

45:30

sort of definitely navigate these things. I mean,

45:33

the reason that that moment went viral

45:35

in Israel particularly was

45:38

that it touched a nerve, this feeling

45:40

in Israel, that sometimes it literally doesn't matter

45:42

what we do. It literally doesn't matter what

45:44

we say. There are people who

45:47

will always make us the baddies. And if our

45:49

willingness to put dangerous criminals back

45:51

on the street in order to get

45:53

back abducted babies is evidence of our

45:56

inhumanity, then something is completely

45:58

rotten and warped. in the

46:00

way that you see the world, if

46:02

you can take even that. And your

46:04

conclusion is, well, clearly the Israelis are

46:06

the monsters here. I can't shake this

46:08

belief of yours that seems profoundly and

46:10

truly held that conversation is

46:12

possible, that persuasion is possible. Do you think

46:15

that people are still out there, maybe as,

46:17

if I'm understanding correctly, especially here in America,

46:19

willing to give us a fair shake? Well,

46:22

if it doesn't matter what we say on

46:24

TV, then why should we complain about media

46:26

bias and incorrect coverage? If we say everyone's

46:28

already made up their opinion, it doesn't matter

46:30

what's shown. The fact is people are constantly

46:33

in a process of forming their opinions. There

46:35

are many people in the middle who don't

46:37

wake up every day and go to sleep

46:39

thinking about Israel, who aren't

46:41

committed. That's shocking. Yeah, it's

46:43

shocking to us, but these people exist out

46:45

there. They walk among us. And

46:50

I think it is possible to cut through to them.

46:52

I think we have an opportunity with

46:54

a section of liberal public opinion. It

46:56

is difficult. The woke crowd that have

46:58

gone all in and drunk the Hamas

47:00

Kool-Aid are lost and we're never going

47:02

to convince them. But there is a

47:04

certain constituency of liberal opinion. They're not

47:06

woke. They're scared to be on the

47:08

wrong side of the woke, who

47:11

need to understand how profoundly twisted

47:13

the ideology is that is calling for

47:16

from the river to the sea, globalize

47:18

the intifada, how much it clashes with

47:20

what they hold to be their most

47:22

formative values, values that the state of

47:24

Israel, imperfect, flawed as it is, blah,

47:27

blah, blah, blah, blah, still embodies far,

47:29

far better than any country for thousands

47:31

of miles around. Can we talk specifically

47:33

about what happened with the deaths

47:36

in Gaza around the aid

47:38

convoy? Yeah, look, I'll say

47:40

two things about this. First of all, my

47:43

heart really does go out to the

47:45

people who got crushed in a stampede

47:48

as they tried to loot an aid truck.

47:51

Some people were run over as well by

47:53

the Gazan truck drivers as they tried to

47:55

escape. This was the fourth

47:57

such aid convoy to northern Gaza.

48:00

this week, the first time that this incident

48:02

had happened. And it's very

48:05

sad. I feel

48:07

their desperation. They know that Hamas

48:09

has been hijacking aid. They've seen

48:11

Hamas stealing aid. They know that Hamas is

48:13

selling it on the black market. They

48:16

know that it's been hogging it for its own fighters. And

48:18

worst of all, they know that the agencies that are

48:20

supposed to be looking out for them, like UNRWA, are

48:23

complicit with all of this and have never

48:26

and will never condemn Hamas for stealing aid. UNRWA,

48:29

which is, of course, the United Nations Relief

48:31

and Works Agency. But at the same time,

48:34

I'm having this sense of deja vu because

48:36

it takes me back to mid-October

48:38

and the Al-Ahri

48:41

Hospital scam. A

48:43

Palestinian Islamic jihad rocket

48:45

shrapnel fell and hit the car park

48:48

of a hospital. Hamas, which

48:50

only days earlier had burned, beheaded,

48:52

raped and abducted people and then

48:54

denied it, put out a

48:56

press release saying that Israel had launched an airstrike

48:58

on a hospital and killed 500 people. And

49:01

that lie went all the way around

49:03

the world and people fell for it.

49:06

And I really hoped and thought that

49:08

afterwards there would be accountability.

49:12

Pause for a little bit before you accept

49:14

the Hamas narrative. And yet again,

49:16

we saw here these poor people getting

49:18

crushed in a stampede, these poor people

49:21

getting run over by truck drivers. Hamas

49:23

puts out the message saying Israel opened

49:26

fire at an aid convoy,

49:28

which did not happen. And that

49:30

lie goes all the way around the world. And

49:32

we're having to deal with that misinformation as

49:35

well. And sometimes you shrug and say, why do I

49:37

even bother? You have to keep

49:39

fighting to set the record straight. So is it

49:41

the truth of the matter that there was no

49:43

firing whatsoever from the idea? There

49:45

was one incident in which many

49:49

people began running towards soldiers in a

49:51

way that threatened their lives and they

49:53

then opened fire in a way to

49:55

distance them. But the

49:57

large majority of people who were killed in that

49:59

tragic incident, were killed in the stampede

50:01

to try to storm those aid trucks

50:03

as they were traveling north

50:05

in Gaza. So I want to

50:07

make sure I phrase this the way I mean

50:10

it, because I of course am very, very strongly

50:12

pro-Israel as we all are here. Is

50:14

it not fair to ask whether

50:16

Israel bears any responsibility for an

50:18

aid situation that has become so

50:20

dire that when trucks are

50:22

trying to get to a distribution center,

50:24

they become the focus of a stampede?

50:27

The problem that we have with aid

50:29

in Gaza right now is

50:31

that the UN is struggling to distribute

50:33

the aid at the pace

50:35

that Israel is facilitating it into Gaza. You

50:38

have a whole chorus in the international community saying

50:40

Israel isn't letting in enough aid. Well,

50:43

right now as we record this podcast, there is the

50:45

content of 300 trucks worth of aid

50:48

sitting on the Garzan side of

50:50

Karim Shalom waiting for the UN

50:53

to distribute it. The

50:55

aid is there and we have excess capacity

50:57

at our crossings for more aid to get

50:59

in, to more than double it. There

51:02

are 20 operational bakeries in Gaza

51:04

producing two and a half million

51:06

loaves, pita breads every single day.

51:09

More than a quarter of a million tons of

51:12

humanitarian aid have entered Gaza since the beginning of

51:14

the war. The problem is the UN

51:16

is struggling to distribute it. And the

51:18

reason it is struggling to distribute it is

51:20

that it relies on UNRWA, which

51:22

is not an aid agency. It is

51:24

a Hamas front. It is riddled

51:27

with terrorists. Not only does it

51:29

indoctrinate children to terrorism, not only

51:31

did some

51:33

of its members take part in the 10-7

51:36

massacre, not only did the UNRWA office

51:38

sit on top of a Hamas server

51:40

farm and provide electricity for it and

51:42

they're covering it up. It simply is

51:44

not an aid distribution agency. And

51:47

we for weeks have been calling

51:49

on the international community to activate

51:51

the aid agencies that have experience

51:54

delivering aid in disaster zones and

51:56

doing emergency relief around the world,

51:58

instead of relying on this organization

52:00

that is completely complicit with and in cahoots

52:02

with Hamas. And we think that's really important

52:05

that that happen right now to make sure

52:07

that aid can get to the people who

52:09

actually need it and importantly make sure that

52:11

Hamas can't steal it. And that's

52:14

a huge challenge. Why isn't that happening? UNRWA

52:16

has managed to claim a monopoly

52:18

for itself inside Gaza.

52:23

And that's a very powerful monopoly that

52:25

it's managed to claim. And

52:28

we're trying to push back on that and

52:30

show the world how much UNRWA has been

52:32

compromised by Hamas. But many people

52:34

simply don't want to see it. It's much

52:36

easier to turn a blind eye and

52:39

continue giving money to this organization than

52:41

admit that you've made a massive, massive

52:43

mistake when all the evidence was right

52:46

there under your nose. Now,

52:48

Aylin, look, Joshua and I

52:50

are middle-aged Jews.

52:54

Stephanie is still young, but a

52:56

lot of this war is evident,

52:59

is being fought on platforms that

53:01

I don't even begin to understand,

53:03

whose names I can't even often accurately

53:06

pronounce. So we wanted

53:09

to have here an authentic representative of

53:11

the young of Gen Z.

53:13

This is Aylin Wojciecki, who will introduce herself

53:15

in a moment. But Aylin,

53:17

you've been following this and fighting this

53:20

war very much on social media. First

53:22

of all, name, rank, serial

53:24

number, and job description, please. Hello,

53:27

everyone. I'm Ani. I'm

53:29

Tablets' audience editor, and I'm here as

53:31

I think as Stephanie previously described it,

53:33

a representative of the youth of America

53:35

and the world. Representative

53:38

of the future. Exactly. And

53:41

I write a tablet, but primarily I

53:43

manage Tablets' Instagram, which

53:45

is something that I decided to do starting

53:47

in May of 2021 after realizing

53:49

just how bad things were on the

53:52

internet amongst Gen Z-ers specifically with regard

53:54

to Israel. It felt like we were not

53:56

getting into the spaces that we needed to be

53:58

in, and we were not getting... Into

54:00

those faces. By leave we weren't

54:02

even in the same room we were in, in

54:04

the same house you were in the same state

54:07

as the right spaces we need to ban. So

54:09

what I do and have done for tablet as

54:11

try and break down some of our pieces that

54:13

contain very relevant ideas for the current moment in

54:15

to. Digestible essentially infographics,

54:18

And we're trying to explain things like the

54:20

roots of Soviet anti Zionism that are in

54:23

so many of the anti Zionist arguments are

54:25

today. We're trying to tell people this history

54:27

here. There's history into the way that it's.

54:29

Been lumped into all these various progressive. Causes

54:32

and we get people something that they can

54:34

read, not just by going to. Click on

54:36

the article but they can read it on Instagram

54:38

which sadly for someone under to as well. As

54:41

a carousel they have a bunch of different

54:43

digestible quotes from the article. They have pull

54:45

quotes stab jaya paragraphs of reading, but it's

54:47

all within the Instagram for hims and it's

54:49

and very effective because people not only have

54:51

these quotes that they can share that are

54:53

digestible Zionists sound bites the word equivalent of

54:55

a sound bites, but then it out. They

54:57

also feel like they've read and they consume.

54:59

Something and so dirty way article for the females

55:02

and articles that have. Been. Published on top. Were

55:04

trying to break down these ideas. a dance in

55:06

a language that young people are sitting bit of

55:08

young people unfortunately don't want to go. Click on

55:10

the linked in the bios and read. A three

55:12

thousand, five hundred rupees about Soviet and says

55:14

i know the instagram format isn't very friendly

55:16

for sending people towards links anyway, know that

55:19

they won't And as you're going from something

55:21

like tic toc or something like that, it's

55:23

even five steps further back and so. What

55:26

we've tried to do is make people feel

55:28

like they have read and learned and since

55:30

soon something in the right way. This is

55:32

a great example actually because entertainment As a

55:34

tomboy I saw my instagram account to scrolling

55:37

through a I'm Fucking of The Galore Street

55:39

Journal video of Israeli troops firing on people

55:41

running towards the convoy and that's the one

55:43

thing you see as a flattening of information.

55:45

Here where I just see a video on I was

55:47

like oh that looks not good. Some serious for

55:49

both of you to share a little bit about. You

55:52

know only like what it's like for you to run

55:54

tablets, instagram posts ten, seven and eight on for you

55:56

to have sort of. Done this

55:58

role. yes it's on Tv. but it's also

56:00

on social media, right? It's your ability to

56:03

understand and navigate that space. So

56:06

what I've been trying to do in this war is

56:08

to really break

56:10

the boundaries of what it means to be an official

56:12

spokesman to say, look, we're in an emergency, there are

56:15

no rules, do what it takes. So towing

56:17

the line between being a government spokesman, a podcast

56:19

host, government spokesman, and content creator. So we're constantly

56:22

trying to come up with new and creative ways

56:24

to get the message out there by saying if

56:26

this young generation is getting their news, not by

56:28

sitting in front of cable TV, but by scrolling

56:30

endlessly, then I want something that will grab their

56:32

attention. So how do we

56:35

make a point about how Hamas's

56:37

leaders have been living in luxury

56:39

while condemning their people in Gaza

56:41

to misery? I sat in Dizengov

56:43

Square with a member of my

56:46

team who wrote a cover of

56:48

Hey There Delilah called Hey There

56:50

Hania. Hania is one of Hamas's

56:52

arch-terrorist masterminds in exile, living in

56:55

obscene luxury in Qatar, having

56:59

condemned and sacrificed his people,

57:01

sadly, horrifically, on the

57:03

altar of their twisted, depraved haddy ideology.

57:06

And as he played the guitar, I

57:08

sang along and that video went absolutely

57:10

viral. Hey there, Hania, what's it like

57:12

at the four seasons you've run a

57:15

thousand miles away and led your people

57:17

in this region into war? Bad

57:20

guys don't come as bad as you. It's sad

57:23

but true. Yo hey there, sinwa,

57:26

don't you wonder about the distance

57:28

you're hiding underground in Gaza while

57:30

your boss is drowning riches in

57:33

Qatar. At

57:35

least the aid is getting through, through

57:38

just to you. I

57:40

did another example using

57:42

a chessboard, showing how Israel uses

57:45

its soldiers to protect its civilians. Hamas

57:47

uses civilians to try to protect its

57:49

soldiers and tell the story of what

57:51

is happening through chess and

57:54

said let's learn Hamas chess. So constantly trying

57:56

to find these new and creative ways to

57:58

appeal to the younger generation. always

58:00

having to throw a line and

58:02

not do things that will

58:04

look too silly, but recognizing that

58:07

you simply cannot expect to put on a suit

58:09

and tie and wait for a phone call from

58:11

CNN if you're trying to get through to the

58:13

younger generation. That's not how it works. Lael

58:16

made a point to me when I came on

58:18

unorthodox. I didn't fully understand. I came on in

58:20

November. And what he said is like, are we

58:23

going about this the wrong way? Is this the

58:25

language that young people are speaking? Is there something

58:27

that we need to do to change this? And

58:30

I think that the answer to that is yes, we

58:32

were going about it the wrong way. I'm not sure

58:34

that the young people want these educational explainers. And

58:36

I also don't think they're going to be convinced

58:38

by historical arguments. I also don't think it's

58:40

my job to give them history lecture. I

58:42

think my job is to give

58:44

information about what is happening now, but also to

58:47

try to motivate and

58:49

inspire the younger generation to then

58:52

take action for themselves and go

58:54

out and make the case. So the reason that I'm

58:56

in the US now is that

58:58

I flew out for the Hillel International

59:00

Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, where

59:02

I gave the keynote speech about what

59:04

it means to make Gen Z Gen

59:06

Zionist. And I stepped onto

59:09

the stage with a t-shirt that we had

59:11

designed, especially with the fingers doing the victory

59:13

sign and the slogan Gen Zionist. Saying

59:15

Zionism has always been about standing up to bullies. The

59:17

bullies have come out in force and you need to

59:19

stand up to them and not let them call you

59:22

names or define you. And you need to make friendships in

59:24

the line to stand up to the bullies. The

59:26

following day, we distributed in a

59:28

partnership with the Israel on campus coalition

59:31

one thousand of these t-shirts.

59:34

I was being mobbed by these Gen

59:36

Z types who wanted t-shirts that said

59:38

on it, Zionists. I don't think that's

59:40

ever happened before. We're trying to make

59:42

Zionism cool, to inspire them, gave out

59:45

a large number of them. Am I

59:47

allowed to curse on this podcast? Please,

59:49

you're welcome. I flew out with six

59:51

kilos of fuckhammer stickers. It

59:54

was a full third of my luggage

59:56

allowance on the way here so that they

59:59

can, if they... See, there we go. A

1:00:01

producer here has it on the back of his

1:00:03

phone. So that when they

1:00:05

see these posters saying, From the River

1:00:07

to the Sea, or inciting violence or

1:00:09

hatred against Jews, they can fight back.

1:00:12

And I'm so excited that they seem so

1:00:14

excited about that idea. And we'll have to

1:00:17

think of ways to try to expand this.

1:00:19

But I think part of what the younger

1:00:21

generation need is not just information. It's not

1:00:24

the history lectures. It's someone to tell

1:00:26

them, you're the good guys. Don't

1:00:28

let the others call you names. Don't let them

1:00:30

attach labels to you. Don't let them make you

1:00:33

feel ashamed of who you are. Have courage and

1:00:35

keep up the good fight. Amen. Absolutely.

1:00:37

I have one last question. You know, a

1:00:39

lot of people listen to you right now

1:00:41

being like, okay, how can we take some

1:00:44

of the alien leaviness and apply it in

1:00:46

our own lives? We have social media feeds.

1:00:48

We have followers. We want to do something.

1:00:50

Give us the takeaway. Give us the lesson

1:00:52

that we could all apply at home. Look,

1:00:54

first of all, I'll acknowledge the challenges that

1:00:56

American Jewry is facing that are very different

1:00:59

from the challenges I have.

1:01:01

It's easy for me thousands of miles away

1:01:03

to tell you how you should be fighting.

1:01:05

See how fate has reversed itself.

1:01:07

But I've heard horror stories about people who

1:01:10

are trying to fight back and say they're

1:01:12

getting docked and intimidated and they're scared for

1:01:14

them and their children for their personal safety.

1:01:16

And that's something that people always have to

1:01:18

be conscious of. But to the

1:01:20

extent that you can, I've been trying in

1:01:22

this war to go on the

1:01:25

offensive because for everyone in Israel, it

1:01:27

was so obvious after 10-7 why we

1:01:29

are fighting, to bring

1:01:31

the hostages home, to make sure

1:01:33

Hamas can never do this again, to not give

1:01:35

a strategic victory to this

1:01:37

Iranian proxy given the regional strategy of

1:01:39

trying to destroy our country. It's so

1:01:41

obvious to us why we are fighting.

1:01:44

10-7 was a moral test and

1:01:46

a lot of people have failed it. And I'm trying to

1:01:48

call out the people who are failing it. Calling

1:01:50

out the Red Cross, whose president fidgeted in her

1:01:52

seat when the prime minister said you need to

1:01:55

put pressure on Hamas to see the hostages. And

1:01:57

she said it's never going to work. World

1:02:00

Health Organization that can't bring itself

1:02:02

to admit that Hamas

1:02:04

is waging war out of hospitals, pressure

1:02:06

on honor that has been covering up

1:02:08

for Hamas and has been deflecting blame

1:02:10

onto Israel to cover up the fact

1:02:13

that it's covering up for Hamas. I

1:02:15

really think that these agencies and officials

1:02:17

who are running interference for Hamas, as

1:02:19

simple as that, need to be held

1:02:21

to account. And I try as much

1:02:23

as possible Hamas, these

1:02:26

agencies, the other officials, they

1:02:29

owe us answers. They owe

1:02:31

us answers because we know why we are

1:02:33

fighting and we cannot afford to be constantly

1:02:35

on the back foot. And on the defensive,

1:02:37

there are others who, in

1:02:39

the wake of this horrific, horrific tragedy,

1:02:41

owe us answers. How do you stay

1:02:44

sane? And where do you find hope

1:02:46

is maybe a different version of asking what Lael

1:02:48

asked before. How do you protect your peace? How

1:02:50

do I stay sane? Look, let

1:02:52

me do something I do often with journalists who

1:02:54

ask me challenging questions. I'll push back on the

1:02:57

premise of the question. What makes you think I

1:02:59

am sane right now? Look,

1:03:03

I get a huge amount of

1:03:06

hate and death threats and

1:03:09

people who I joke are trying out

1:03:11

to gaslight us, but Gaza light us.

1:03:14

But at the same time, I

1:03:16

get so many amazing messages of

1:03:18

support online in the streets

1:03:21

where people are stopping me. And

1:03:23

that really gives me the courage and the strength

1:03:26

to keep fighting because I say, yes, there are

1:03:28

all these nasty people whose opinions I've never cared

1:03:30

about being mean about me on social media. But

1:03:32

all the people I actually care about, my people,

1:03:34

the people I'm fighting for, see it

1:03:37

and appreciate it. And that really gives me

1:03:39

a huge amount of encouragement to

1:03:41

keep fighting. I'm just curious, like, what do

1:03:43

you think that regular people who have an Instagram

1:03:45

account or who are on college campuses, who are

1:03:47

facing this question of like, Israel is in the

1:03:50

wrong somehow? Like, we're always coming up against this

1:03:52

thing of like, but Israel is wrong. What would

1:03:54

you say is an appropriate response to

1:03:56

that for someone who is not

1:03:58

employed by the Israeli government? What do we

1:04:00

who are struggling with how to articulate what's going

1:04:02

on? What would you say to us? For

1:04:05

a hundred and forty eight days now 134

1:04:09

hostages have been trapped in the Hamas terror dungeons They're

1:04:12

being starved the hostages who come back often

1:04:14

lost half of their body weight in

1:04:17

some cases executed as we

1:04:20

know from sick propaganda videos Hamas is released

1:04:23

and raped and gun

1:04:25

pinned of the 134 33

1:04:29

already dead time has run out for them

1:04:31

and we have to keep fighting. There is

1:04:33

a baby in there There is a one

1:04:35

year old baby who is

1:04:37

being held hostage by Hamas I can't think of

1:04:39

anything more sick than that. You

1:04:41

know what? Maybe the only thing more sick than that

1:04:44

is people telling Israel Write him off Leave

1:04:47

him there abandon him Israelis

1:04:50

know why we are fighting because our people

1:04:52

were snatched from their beds on October 7th

1:04:54

and Abducted into the most

1:04:57

inhumane conditions and it's so obvious

1:04:59

to us that the hostages are a top

1:05:01

humanitarian Ultimately humanitarian mission and it

1:05:04

has been so disheartening to see

1:05:06

posters of little kidnapped kids getting

1:05:08

torn down all around

1:05:11

the world it really speaks to the extent

1:05:13

of the dehumanization of Jews

1:05:16

and Israelis You know if

1:05:18

you've bought into a narrative that says the victim is

1:05:20

always right and you don't want the Israelis to be

1:05:22

right You have to deny their victims in

1:05:24

order to deny their victims. You have to deny their

1:05:26

humanity and that's why you tear down the hostage posters

1:05:29

So we are continuing to ramp up

1:05:31

military pressure to get the hostages back

1:05:33

It is a personal issue that affects

1:05:35

everyone in Israel. It's a small

1:05:38

country No one is more than one or

1:05:40

two degrees of separation away from someone who

1:05:42

has lost a hostage And so

1:05:44

we are fighting to bring the hostages home and

1:05:46

to make sure that Hamas can never abduct them

1:05:48

or steal them again We are fighting so that

1:05:51

the kids who were abducted on 10-7 Can

1:05:54

sleep safely again in the beds from

1:05:56

which they were abducted Without

1:05:58

fear that terrorists are going to Com the

1:06:00

following morning. And. Steal them away.

1:06:03

At so it's so clear to us

1:06:05

knew this fight is existential a how

1:06:07

disheartening it is then that there are

1:06:09

people who try to twist that against

1:06:11

us. As if they would

1:06:13

do anything different. As if

1:06:16

they would do anything different is that

1:06:18

people and friends and family was brutally

1:06:20

massacred and abducted and being held by

1:06:22

terrorists are going on one hundred and

1:06:24

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