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Welcome to Unpacked Podcasts

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with your host leadership consultant

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, ron Harvey of Global Core Strategies

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and Consulting . Ron's delighted to

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have you join us as he unpacks and

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shares his leadership experience , designed

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to help you in your leadership

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journey . Ron believes that leadership

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is the fundamental driver towards making

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a difference . So now to find

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out more of what it means to unpack

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leadership , here's your host , ron

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Harvey . Hello everyone , this is Ron

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Harvey . I'm the vice president and the chief operating

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officer for Global Core Strategies and Consulting

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. We're a leadership development firm based

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out of Columbia , south Carolina , and my wife

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and I have been in business now for about 10 years , and

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we built and designed our entire business to

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do two things to add value and make a difference for

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leaders and workplaces so they can

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make sure they create a workforce that people really

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want to be a part of . And we know that's a challenge

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in today's world , where people are really , really

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good leaders and all of our time

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helping leaders become very , very good at taking

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care of the people that they're responsible for

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and responsible to . But what

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we've learned in that process is we built a different

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program a little bit and we came up with a

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podcast , and the podcast is Unpacked

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with Ron Harvey , and this is where we

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figured out having a real conversation

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with leaders from around the globe , from

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all backgrounds , coming to the table and

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letting you behind the curtain . So it's unpacked for

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a reason . All of our guests agree to come on and they

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don't know what the questions are . Quite honestly , neither

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do I , but we do promise that we're going to have

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a good conversation . We're going to be transparent

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, we're going to have fun , so we ask you to hang

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on , enjoy the conversations and

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you'll hear a lot about both of us as we go through this

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. So this month is March . It's

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Women's History Month . I'm kicking it off with someone

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that's a really , really good friend , a good

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leader , a good role model in our community , so

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I'm happy to have Gretchen Barron on

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the show with us . Welcome to the

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Unpacked with Ron Harvey . Thank you for coming

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.

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Thank you , ron , for having me . This is

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a big deal , because they call

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you in the streets . I'm talking to Uncle

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Ron .

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Yes , yes , yes , many , many titles

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. And so you're Ron , yes , yes . Well , welcome to the show

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. What would you share with the audience

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? I want them to know who you are

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. You work couple of hats in our city . You work

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couple of hats in your own personal life . What would

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you share so the audience knows who's in front of them ? And

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then you just released a book , so we're not going to

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let that out either , but we're going to talk about

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that book . But can you tell us who you are

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or what you want us to know about you as a leader ? What's

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important to you ?

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Yeah , I'm Gretchen Baron and

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, first and foremost , I am the proud

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mother of the Baron boys . I have

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two boys . They're fantastic James

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Lino and Hilton Chase are y'all probably

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? If you follow me on social media , that's

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Jay and my sweet Prius and

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that's my . That's my first , my first job

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, and I enjoy that more than

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life itself . I'm also a

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successful business owner . I own

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Baron Academy , which is a

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education company that does after

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school programming , tutoring and

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summer camps . We've been doing that now

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since 2009 . I also have

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a consultant business . During the last

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couple of years rebranded it with

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the new name , and with the new name now

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is G Baron Consulting , and

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there we are working with

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leaders as well as business owners and

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nonprofit organizations

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, helping them to cultivate the leaders that

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they need to be but , more importantly , to

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position their companies or their

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businesses in a place where

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they can thrive not

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only and dominate not only

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in the sphere that they operate

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in , but also in

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a leadership role . So everything

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nowadays is all about how

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we get to the next step , and

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I'm committed to helping people do that . And

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just doesn't seem like it , but four years ago

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. Four years ago , I was elected to

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Richland County Council to represent District

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7 . And so , as we

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are in this presidential year , I'm

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also up for reelection this year

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and I serve Richland County , and that's

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been . The last four years have been quite interesting

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, been a learning curve , but the

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one thing that I'm stay committed

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to , and that is to make sure that

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we , that our people in District

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7 , have an active voice at the table and

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have somebody in the streets working from

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day in and day out .

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Yes , yes , I mean , we've been on each other for

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years and I've watched you on the trail

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continue to elevate yourself , continue

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to take on challenges and continue to add value

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to our city . So thank you for all the roles that

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you plan , thank you for serving , and it takes a

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really special person to serve . It's

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not the easiest thing to do . It could be very

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challenging , but if you have a heart for it . So

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, as I watch you grow , and for the people that

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are watching and listening , if you listen , she shared

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that she owns the business , and oftentimes in

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our community you think someone that's doing what you're

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doing has to be a competitor . We're

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friends , we don't compete , we collaborate

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, we talk . So all

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you got to watch it . If you want to make your community

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really great , learn to work with the people

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that do what you do so you can serve more people

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, and so I'm honored to have you on here and

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I'm looking for your success , because if you're successful

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, I'm successful , and so if you're listening

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to , so let's let's unpack for a little

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bit . As we think about it , it's women's

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history . Who's the woman that

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poured the most into you for you to be

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who you are today ?

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So I have a couple . I

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have a couple , of course , my mother

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. She is fantastic . She

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really taught me how to be confident

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and to be a ladies late

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and I go in

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and out of that world because I like

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to do it .

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Wait a minute , gretchen , wait a minute . Okay . So you're going to have to educate

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If we're going to

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let you just drive by how to be confident and be a ladies lady . So if

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people are listening because we got people

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that are trying to figure out like they think they got

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to be really , really like this this gotta act

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like a man , or gotta be just one thing , or gotta be

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a lady how do you , what does that mean for people

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that are listening ? So women listen . This is important

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how to be confident and be a ladies

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lady . I don't know what it means , so I can explain to any of

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them , someone , that you do that for us .

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Yeah , and so I guess the best way I

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deal in visual , so the best way

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is that you can be a ladies

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lady and go into a room Most

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areas that I serve in

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is male dominant , and

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for years , when I worked for state government

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, I wore pants , suits , because that's

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what they told us . You know , you want to level

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the playing field . Don't come in a skirt , don't

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come in a dress . And so my mother , on

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the other hand , was like you're not dressed up unless

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you have a dress on . Baby , you got to have

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your high heels on , sweetie , and

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so anybody who knows me knows

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that . You know , when you see me I'm

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, I got high heels on , and

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over the last few years , I've transitioned

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to wearing more dresses . And so

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for women who are challenged

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with being confident and

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still being a lady , the lady

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is is how we carry ourselves

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. The confidence is who you are with

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inside , and and that

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who you are with inside , it

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has to come out in a manner

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, doesn't matter who you're talking

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to , and we don't have to man

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up to get that respect . I

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think it's all about when we speak . We

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speak with authority , we speak with

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conviction , we and here's

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a thought we speak with knowledge

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and people will listen to you if

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you sound like you know what you're talking about

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. And so I am

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very , very blessed to be able

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to have my mother . That helped me be

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that , that lady , but

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at the same time , no , stand

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your ground , sweetie . And

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she's not a honey baby , sweetie person at

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all . But I got that portion from

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the other ladies in my life and that's my

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grandmothers . I was very

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fortunate to grow up with my great

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grandmother and my grandmother and

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those ladies . They taught

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me how to be a good Southern

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Bale the iron

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and the cooking , the cleaning

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, making biscuits I don't do that too often

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.

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Yeah , I said , man , you can talk about making biscuits

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now from scratching , Like this lady's looking at you like , yeah , I'm

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not doing any of that stuff .

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No , they don't do it . But I'll tell

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you , as a lady I am committed

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to and I am extremely busy , but

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I cook three to four days

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out of the week .

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Yeah , you got to feed them boys . Yeah , that's a

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grown man over there , that's a big boy

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I don't want nobody else feeding

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my babies and I don't want Zach's Bees

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Chick-fil-A .

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All those other people feed them . They need to know what

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it was . Some collard greens . That's what

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we have in Sunday . We have collard greens , and

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so those are the ladies . And of course , I

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have my pastor , my

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pastor's wife . She is very instrumental

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in mentoring

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me and really helped me

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, especially over these last probably five

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to seven years really transitioning

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into this space and

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owning it . I would have to

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say Dr Marsha Bailey has definitely

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been that person for me and I don't

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know if y'all can see it , but she's over there

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on my wall . Shirley Chisholm he

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set the stage for all of us .

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Yes . So , ben , did you point to that wall

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? A couple things I would love to unpack , but let's

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unpack the picture that's right behind

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you . Let's talk about that , this

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book that you just released , the 4G

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Factor .

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Congratulations , thank you , thank

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you . It's been a long time coming . I

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just want to break out and start singing . Good

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old Tim Cook , it's been

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a long time , a long time coming . Yes

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, I walked around for years

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with this journal literally probably

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about five years and

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anybody who knows me have always heard

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me talk about gut , grit and grind produce

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greatness . I've always said that that was just my little

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mantra for life , right , yes ? And

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never really thought it was a book until

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I was sitting down talking to the

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late Senator John L Scott Jr

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. Yes , and he said , gretchen , what

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is all this guts and grit ? You

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got all over the place . I

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said that's my amato . He

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said I think that's a book . I

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said , well , I don't think so . I'm not a book , I'm

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not a writer like that . I said

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who's going to read my book ? He

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said anybody would want to read your book

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. You got something to say , don't you ? And so

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I just kind of took it and

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it was really my 4G journal where

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I would just journal different leadership

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stuff down or things that would

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come up that I would experience

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, and I would just journal them down , and

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that was like for five years . And

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so finally I got the guts

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up and I said you know what I'm going

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to write this book and I had to deal

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with and this is something that a lot of women

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have to deal with and that is , to

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silence the noise in our head to say we're good

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enough to do just that . And

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there are people out there that want

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to hear what I have to say . And

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so my book is dedicated to women

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and the book it's opened up

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and it's a letter to that woman and

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that woman that has that thing

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, and many of us have this thing that

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the Lord gave us or we want to do , but

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we're over here being a mama and we're doing all

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the things but we really want

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to do , and so it's to push

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that lady off the sidelines

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and to be an active participant

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in her life .

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And I take each G Give me

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the four G's again . Yeah , because you said them really quick

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. Yeah , give us the four G's again .

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Yeah , so it's guts , grit , and

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a lot of people keep saying grits , but it's grit

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, it's

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grit . Grind

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produce greatness . So

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those are the four G's and I take those

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four G's and I break them down

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and I use myself as

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a case study . So I

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am very vulnerable . In this book I

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talk about examples of things that

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I've gone through and how I've

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gone through it and as

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the example , so that a lot

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of times we read books and people give

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us all these strategies , but you

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ever read it , ron , and you're like , well

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, how you know it , how you know that work , yes

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, yes experience . I'm telling you

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this is what I did , this

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is the results that I've gotten , and

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you too can make it , because it's only

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only at the top , because we don't

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take anybody with us .

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Say that again because people hear it , because you're

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all the time , it's only at the top .

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It's only lonely at the top because we don't take

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anyone with us . And you said it earlier

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. You said it earlier that you

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and I we really met . We met

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at a trade show .

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At a trade show , yes , yes , at a trade show .

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We both was in the streets just trying to get our name

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out here and since then

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you have called me and said hey , have

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you heard about this ? I've done the same

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thing and it's not a

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competitor Like . I celebrate

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the wins that you and

12:36

Linda have Because it's great

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. It's all of us , this is our

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community , that's winning .

12:42

Yes , I mean , I told you unpack , we're talking for

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real and so when you look around

12:46

, the people that are supporting you , that you

12:48

need to support the world is big enough

12:50

for all of us to be successful , and

12:53

so it's a pleasure to see it . When I heard about the book

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, I was like , yes , get on the show , tell me when let's do

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it , tell it to have a book or something

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that we can . How do people ? Is

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your book available where people can go ahead and start purchasing

13:04

it ? Can you share that with them before we move on to anything

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else ? How do people get your book ?

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So the book is available on Amazon

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and Barnes Noble . You can pre-order

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now . They will be released

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on March , the 26th . You can also

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. You can go either to my website

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or you can go to my

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preference right now because our website

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is in transition with the rebrand

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Hopefully it'll be launched next week . But

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you can go to my social media page , gretchen D

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Barron on Facebook , or

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you can go to Instagram and it's

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G-D Barron , b-a-r-r-o-n

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and you can click there and you'll see

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there's a link and that link will

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also provide you an opportunity

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. You click it and you can order it , and

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we've made a decision that anyone who's

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ordering right now you won't have

13:52

to wait until the 26th to get the book

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. If you use the link that's on my social

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media page , if you use this link

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that's on my social media page , we're gonna release

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that book because we are having a book launch

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on March the 23rd at

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one o'clock at 61

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, no , sweet 60 , sweet 60

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on Two Notch Road and that's

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Kiki's spot Kiki's

14:14

Chicken and Waffles Again , another

14:17

big supporter and so

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you can get those books out there . You can get

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them in all those medias outlets

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. But I will say , if you want

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to get the book quicker it's

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. You can definitely get it on my social media page

14:30

.

14:30

Awesome , awesome and you can find all

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her social media handles and I'll take

14:35

support other people that are in the community

14:37

. So if you're interested , she's letting you know

14:39

. The 4G factor is real and

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she's been super successful and she's been saying it for

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years and now she's finally let it go and

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the secret is out the recipe of how she got to where

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she is . I wanna go back a little bit . You

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talk about mentoring . How important

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has mentoring played ? This is women's history

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month and sometimes women are

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looking because they always think it has to , because

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it's still pretty heavy population of

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men in the workplace and sometimes women

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need mentors and it's nothing wrong with having a man as

15:04

a mentor . But how important was mentoring till you

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get into where you are today ?

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It's critical . I mean I still

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, every month

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, I have a standing appointment with

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Dr Marcia . I do have other

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mentors in my life for

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different areas , and

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that's the one thing that sometimes you

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can get a mentor that is one

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feel swoop . Dr Marcia is indeed that

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, and she gives me that one feel swoop

15:30

, but she encouraged me . She was like Gretchen

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I think you need a mentor for this particular

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area and so I did

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take her advice and I got

15:39

a couple of other mentors to help

15:41

me along the way . And as women

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it's important , because we

15:45

spend so much time giving out , and

15:48

one of the books that we use in Barron

15:50

Academy and teaching our children how

15:52

to share and how to care for each other

15:54

is who Feel my Bucket and

15:57

we are constantly pouring

15:59

out . But if nobody pours back into

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you , then

16:04

you're left empty with nothing to give , and

16:06

if you're the smartest person in your

16:09

group , you're in the wrong

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group .

16:12

And you have now capped out . Yes

16:14

, someone has to push you . How do

16:16

you get women that sometimes

16:19

struggle and it's not just gender , but I'm talking women's

16:21

history month , so if I sound like I'm talking about women

16:23

, I am and I'm gonna push that for the entire month

16:25

of March . How do you help the woman get

16:28

comfortable with asking for help but

16:30

also receiving it , because sometimes

16:32

you're asking and you don't receive it ? Well , how

16:35

do you get to the place where you ask for what you

16:37

need and you let people help you ?

16:38

Yeah , I think that's something

16:41

that's personal , it's an inner working

16:43

, because until you acknowledge

16:45

the fact that you actually need help

16:47

, you can't receive it . And

16:49

a lot of times it will come

16:51

people will say and make

16:54

suggestions to you nice and

16:56

kind and say , hey , why don't

16:58

you try this , why don't you try that ? And

17:00

if you hear the same , why don't you

17:02

?

17:03

You need some help .

17:04

You need some help and you need to receive

17:06

it Because it's hard . I

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am a pretty private person

17:12

that lives a very public life

17:14

. I could say yes a very public

17:16

life .

17:16

yes , I would have never put

17:18

private next to your name .

17:20

Really . So days

17:23

like today it's raining , Prez

17:25

and I usually go and have dinner and

17:28

I was like I say he'll think it's raining

17:30

. You wanted to get the food on the way

17:32

in and he was like , yeah

17:35

, because your people going to be out there want to talk

17:37

to you while we eating . So

17:41

with that , I think that that's a rabbit

17:43

trail , but with that , when you need

17:45

, I think , being open , and

17:48

the best thing that I did was

17:50

to sit with myself and be honest

17:53

with myself and as women

17:55

, we just need

17:57

to tune everybody out

17:59

and just sit with what we're feeling

18:02

, sit with what's going through our heads

18:04

and then jot them down and

18:06

start to look . Okay , what is this ? And

18:09

one of the things I learned from Dr Marcia

18:11

is that if you can deal

18:13

with your why and you can go back to the root

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of why you do dot , dot , dot

18:18

, it's a little bit more . It's

18:20

palatable to

18:22

you and others . When you can articulate

18:24

okay , you know what I fly off at the handle

18:26

because of this , and I think that's

18:28

the first step to acknowledging

18:30

that you need help , or

18:33

to accept help is to

18:35

deal with yourself personally .

18:37

Yes , yes . So thank you for sharing . So

18:39

I mean , and being open enough to share with

18:42

hey . Ask for help , receive help . Who

18:44

do you have as mentors when you begin to

18:46

think about women in a professional

18:48

career , young women that are listening and

18:50

watching and have aspirations ? And

18:53

how did you navigate without burning

18:55

bridges as a woman ?

18:56

Well , as I alluded to earlier

18:58

, I'm a good old Southern girl and

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just certain things we just don't do , we

19:03

just don't do , and so I am

19:06

so grateful that I was born in the

19:08

generation . I'm

19:10

not a baby boomer , I'm just

19:12

jump right off the edge , I'm on it and

19:15

I thank God for that , because he's my

19:17

little boy . I have a couple that

19:19

I'm mentoring and I'm like baby , you can't

19:21

talk like that to people .

19:23

Yes . So if you're listening , how

19:25

you deliver , your messages matter and

19:28

people say , well , but they offended me , I said I'm not

19:30

gonna tell you , we'll never get offended . It's

19:32

how you respond that talks about your

19:35

character . So you gotta really be

19:37

comfortable , like how do you wanna be seen and received

19:39

, not how you wanna be treated , because there'll be some

19:41

things that just won't feel right and won't be right

19:44

. But don't lose your character based on someone

19:46

else's behavior , absolutely .

19:48

I've heard people say it like this you leave people

19:50

thinking about their behavior .

19:52

Yes , not yours . Yes .

19:54

And one of the things that I

19:57

share with my boys is I'm like listen

19:59

, your delivery is everything

20:01

, and so you may not have

20:04

meant anything by what you

20:06

said to me , but how it came out

20:08

was disrespectful . So

20:10

you have to work on your tone and you

20:12

work on your pitch , and I am

20:14

a firm believer that you

20:16

can tell somebody off without

20:19

sending somebody off .

20:20

That's a Southern Bale charm over there . Now she's

20:22

bringing out some trade secrets that she learned

20:24

early on . One of the things is being the

20:26

fact that how you were raised helps you continue

20:29

to show up in rooms and , when you're challenged

20:31

, that you don't burn bridges . What else would you share with women

20:33

? Because people more than

20:35

women , but , as women's history

20:37

, how do you help women ? Because

20:39

the old thing will be submissive and be

20:41

nice and be kind , and nobody wants

20:43

to be bullied , nobody wants to be pushed around , nobody

20:46

wants to be taken advantage of . I don't care what gender

20:48

or what race , nobody likes it . How do

20:50

you manage that when it happens ? Because

20:52

it can be very mean in the world . How

20:54

do you stay solid ? How

20:56

do you take care of yourself and handle

20:58

business but don't come across as

21:00

mean , because women get a different name when they kind

21:02

of hold their feature to fire . We put some bad

21:05

adjectives onto women that we don't put onto men

21:07

. How do you make sure you don't get put into that box

21:09

?

21:09

And I think you add on , you also say

21:11

for black women .

21:13

Yes .

21:14

If we stand our ground we

21:17

can cause a problem , but

21:19

I think that when you are

21:22

in tough spaces and being

21:24

a servant leader here in Richland

21:26

County , my district

21:28

could lend sometimes some controversial

21:31

topics like rezoning , right

21:33

, and they come to rezoning meetings

21:36

and they're angry because

21:38

they moved to Blackwood 40 years

21:40

ago and they didn't want a scout motor

21:42

, they didn't want my subdivision

21:44

, let alone yours , right , yes , and

21:46

so they're very contentious and they're angry

21:48

, and it is one thing

21:51

that I have had to learn

21:53

. I've had to learn , you're absolutely

21:56

correct , however , and

21:58

I've noticed that the slower

22:00

that I speak , I'm able to pace

22:02

myself instead of because the sister

22:04

will rise up and I was like rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

22:07

, and then the back of my head

22:09

, the drums from the Motherland

22:11

, is beating and I'm trying to silence

22:13

those drums , but

22:16

I have to remember one thing that

22:18

holds me true is that there

22:20

are children , especially Black

22:23

girls and Black teenagers

22:25

, that are looking at me . Yes , and

22:28

I never . I talked about my grandmother

22:30

and my great grandmother . I have a t-shirt

22:32

that says I'm my ancestor's wildest dreams

22:34

. I am , and I don't want

22:36

to disappoint them in any way

22:39

. I have fallen short . I have

22:41

in some areas , but

22:43

that's what really holds me is

22:45

to remember that I'm not just

22:48

representing Gretchen Baron , but

22:50

I'm representing my children . I'm representing

22:52

you , ron . Let's

22:55

say , if I came on this show and

22:57

acted a particular way , they're like Ron , where'd

22:59

you get her from you ? That's your friend

23:01

. Yes , and even after

23:04

this show airs , if I go

23:06

out in the street and show out , they said girl

23:08

, it was on Ron Harvey's show , yes , yes

23:10

. And so I think that we have to think outside

23:12

of how we articulate and what we

23:14

say and how we react in

23:17

certain spaces , and

23:19

think it all the way out . And

23:21

that's hard , that's hard

23:23

because we're living in the moment . But when

23:25

we live in a moment it lends sometimes

23:28

to really we're gonna reap

23:30

what we sown in that area

23:32

and it's not always good .

23:34

Yeah , I love it . I mean , you gave something for everyone

23:36

to listen . She said some really practical tips that

23:38

she does because you are who you are

23:40

. It's in your DNA , but

23:42

it doesn't have to show up . And oftentimes

23:44

, gretchen , what people will tell me , especially in

23:47

our culture ? Well , why do I have to lose

23:49

me ? Why do I have to change me ? Why do I have to accommodate

23:51

all these other things that come along

23:53

? And I totally get the questions . I say what

23:55

are you trying to achieve ? And if what you're trying to

23:58

achieve is bigger than how you think you gotta look

24:00

, then what adjustments do you make

24:02

? So I love that you're making adjustments , because what

24:04

you're trying to do is ensure that what your ancestors

24:06

fought for and believed in and want requires

24:09

you to be something different sometimes . And so

24:11

I'm glad that you're talking about that , because it's not easy

24:13

. But you say that , and so when you

24:15

come on our show and people listen to us , this is

24:17

not easy , that's why we call it unpack . This

24:19

is real stuff , but it's important stuff

24:21

, and if we don't talk about it and teach it , our

24:24

kids will never learn it . They'll never learn . I

24:27

can tell you . My mother held us on the many times

24:29

because she wanted her kids to have a fair chance

24:31

. And everything my mother thought didn't come

24:33

out her mouth . I know that for sure

24:35

, because if it had , oh we'd

24:37

be in a whole lot of trouble . So get into

24:39

a place where you can understand that everything

24:41

you think shouldn't come out . My mother taught us

24:43

that a long time ago . Everything you think , baby , everybody

24:46

will have to hear , because it not only

24:48

will the moment be bad , your future will be bad as

24:50

well . So you mess up the moment in your future .

24:52

Yeah . So , ron , I want to bring

24:54

up the point you just mentioned you don't have

24:56

to lose yourself . Yeah , you

24:59

know , there was a time that

25:01

I dumbed down to

25:04

make people feel comfortable , and

25:08

I woke up one day and I was like , oh

25:10

my gosh , what am I doing ? This is

25:12

not who I am Like . Literally , I

25:14

found myself in spaces where

25:17

I knew I was getting ready to go to a particular

25:19

place and I would have to say

25:21

, ok , gretchen , you're getting ready to go here and

25:24

these people don't really like the true essence

25:26

of who you are . So I need you to calm

25:28

down and just

25:30

chill out a little bit . And

25:32

I was . When I say

25:34

it was so hard

25:37

and it was just like one day

25:39

, god just came and shook me

25:41

and was like Gretchen , be you

25:43

.

25:43

Yes , Be authentic .

25:45

And so now I'm telling everybody you

25:47

know I love Krispy Kreme donuts , and so

25:49

I'm telling everybody . Now the hotline

25:51

, the hotlight is on , the Gretchen light

25:53

is on 24 hours a day . I

25:56

get to be Gretchen all day

25:58

, every day . And when I say it's

26:00

liberating and it's freeing

26:03

, and it's not

26:05

that I'm changing who I am

26:07

because I'm in a town hall meeting

26:09

. No , it's that I am conducting

26:12

myself based upon the space that I'm in

26:14

.

26:14

Yes , yes , and I love that you're saying

26:16

it because , at the end of the day , people want

26:18

you to be authentic . People get really

26:20

angry when you're not authentic and

26:23

so they'd rather for say , hey , that's Ron

26:25

. Ron is who . Most people know who I am across the

26:27

city . People know how I operate in

26:29

the business and my personality , and

26:31

so , at the end of the day , I'm proud that I

26:33

get to be me . So everybody that's listening

26:36

. It is exhausting to

26:38

be somebody else . Yes , it is

26:40

very exhausting and very

26:42

confusing because people don't know who's coming

26:44

or going . So be authentic . So

26:46

, gretchen , when you think about the

26:48

roles and all the things that you do , can

26:50

you share a moment ? That was the most revealing

26:53

for you , that when the light

26:55

came on and you started saying I

26:57

know what I want now and what was

26:59

the first thing you did once you defined it , because

27:01

all of us it doesn't . I didn't . I mean , I started

27:04

21 years in military , but I can tell you there was a time

27:06

in my life where the light bulb came on and sometimes

27:08

we put a lot of pressure on our younger generation to

27:10

think it's supposed to happen . Like I told my daughter , I said baby , I

27:12

know you're in high school and we want you to know what you're going to major in

27:14

in college . Most people don't know , even when

27:16

they're in college , what they're going to major in , so I'm not putting that pressure

27:19

on you . I just want you to explore the

27:21

world , figure it out , and we'll support

27:23

you . Think about where you are now . When

27:25

did you really realize what your

27:27

purpose was ?

27:28

Yeah , so I think I had two spots

27:30

in my life .

27:31

OK .

27:32

Where that happened the first time

27:34

was when I

27:37

worked for state government for many years and

27:40

what thrust me into business

27:42

ownership ? Because I'm not a big fan of the word entrepreneurship

27:45

I'm not but

27:47

what kind of thrust me . There was being laid off

27:49

from state government and

27:51

I'd been doing some things on the side

27:53

. You know how we do we

27:56

vote here by vocational . We

28:00

got a sole proprietor business

28:02

and such right . So that's what I was

28:04

doing . And in that

28:06

moment , when

28:08

I was laid off and I was like , what

28:11

am I gonna do , what am I gonna do ? And

28:14

I reminded of

28:16

the scripture that says what

28:18

do you have in your house , what do

28:20

you have in your hands that you

28:22

can do ? And at the moment

28:24

I was , I had left

28:26

the Department of Education where I was

28:29

noted as an after-school expert . I

28:31

was noted as a training expert

28:33

for the Department of Education . That's what

28:35

I was noted for . And I

28:37

started . I was just sitting at home

28:40

and I was like , okay , what am I gonna do ? What am I gonna

28:42

do ? And my uncle called and he said

28:44

, gretchen , I need you to write this grant for me . And

28:46

I said okay , and he'd say , I'm gonna

28:48

email you . He emailed me all these stuff and

28:50

, as I'm writing the grant for him , that's

28:53

when I was like this is the beginning , this

28:55

is the purpose . And I

28:57

took that moment and started

29:00

really cultivating . I talk about this in the book

29:02

, I talk about this in the book

29:04

early on and I say

29:06

you know what ? This is gonna be the business

29:08

. I'm gonna create this business . And

29:10

it was a hard day because

29:12

I remember taking

29:14

my oldest son to private school , pulling

29:17

in the garage . The car was still

29:19

running , the garage door was closed

29:22

and I was just some kind of . I wasn't

29:24

trying to kill myself , yes , I

29:26

was just out of it . Out of it Because

29:28

I'm like I had a pretty good job

29:31

. You know we all live for that good state

29:33

job . Yes , yes , and it was a good

29:35

job . But here I am at zero . And

29:37

again , here's another mentor moment . Dr

29:40

Marshall called me and said how you doing ? And

29:42

I said I'm all right . She said no , you're not . And

29:44

she said what's wrong ? And I just

29:46

go on and on and on about it . And she said

29:48

you done . And she was like what are you going

29:50

to do ? I said well , I think I'm going to co-start

29:53

with some time with my consultant business

29:55

. And she said do you have any clients ? I said

29:57

no . She said why you don't have any clients . You need

29:59

to create everything that you think you're gonna need , all

30:02

the forms , all the this , all the

30:04

that , because when you get busy you're

30:06

not going to have time to

30:08

release , so I'm gonna put a pen in there for

30:10

you .

30:11

You just drop information for everyone that's listening

30:13

. Before you get clients , create

30:15

the foundation , Because when you start

30:17

getting clients , they're not going to wait for you to get

30:19

it together . So , if you're listening to us

30:21

as business owners , everything you

30:23

can , before you get over one with clients , build

30:26

the foundation . It's super important

30:28

. Been there , done it and literally

30:30

built everything . So thank you for sharing that . Go ahead

30:32

and continue . You're sitting there . She tells you why

30:34

you don't have clients . Go build all

30:37

of the stuff you need , because you're not gonna have time

30:39

.

30:39

And that's what I did , and that's where it started , and

30:42

that was one of those pivotal moments

30:44

for me . It was really my foundation

30:47

. And then the next time was Isn't

30:49

?

30:49

that well un-packed for ? Isn't that just what really

30:51

happens , doug Gretchen ? In the middle of

30:53

your catastrophic event , in the

30:55

middle of your , when you think the world is about to unfold

30:58

, something is born . Yeah .

31:00

Something's gotta die . The order for

31:02

something to be birthed .

31:05

Yes , and when you feel like that . So

31:07

I know at the moment you sat in your garage you

31:09

were frustrated , you were feeling some kind of way , and

31:11

that's real , because all of a sudden

31:13

I'm here and I'm now at zero

31:16

. That can be very deflated , that

31:18

can shake your confidence , that can stretch

31:21

you out and cause anxiety . Some people can't

31:23

handle that and I know you say how it was in my garage

31:25

. Some people , sometimes intentionally , may

31:27

wanna sit in there and that may they wanna end

31:29

their life sometime because of what's happening . You

31:31

can make it through . It is what we're saying .

31:33

Yeah , regardless of what you're facing .

31:36

You gotta dig in . You can make it through it . So what

31:38

was the second moment ?

31:39

The second moment was just really recently

31:42

. I was going through some life transitions

31:44

. And then going through these life transitions

31:47

Again , I'm a public

31:49

figure , yes , and

31:51

so as much as I wanted to be

31:53

private , I couldn't be private

31:55

because people expected

31:58

me to show up . Yes , I

32:00

posted this , I think yesterday or day

32:02

before , and I said , no matter what

32:04

, you still gotta show up . No matter how

32:06

you feel , you still have to show up

32:08

. And really I thought

32:10

like my whole world was falling apart

32:13

, but I still was showing up

32:15

and in that moment

32:17

it was the push for me

32:19

. It was the push for me and I remember

32:22

just , I loved to be outside

32:25

and

32:27

I was sitting on my porch and I was just

32:29

like you know what ? I don't know what's going

32:31

on here , I don't know what to do . And

32:33

I just kind of took a deep breath and

32:36

I just and I'll never forget prayers

32:38

came outside and he said mama , what

32:40

you doing ? I said I'm trying to get

32:42

my life together . And he said your

32:45

life already together . And he started

32:47

rattling off you on

32:49

the counter , council , you got a business

32:52

, you do this ? He was just naming

32:54

himself . And then , with

32:56

the sweetest voice , he was like and you got

32:58

me and he

33:00

never will know

33:03

how much that

33:05

meant to me , and it

33:07

was like every time he started naming

33:09

things that I had , I felt like he was slapping

33:12

me .

33:12

Like get it together , mama Get it together .

33:14

And I was like Little boy , just

33:16

told me off .

33:17

Well , he learned it . He learned it the right way . You said you

33:19

could tell somebody off and and

33:22

.

33:22

I was like this little boy just told me off and

33:25

when he and he just went on back about , back

33:27

in the house , he played his video game and I

33:29

sat there a little bit longer and

33:31

I was like , okay , you can tuck

33:33

your tail or you can shake it off

33:36

and keep it moving . Because when

33:38

I came during this time , when I showed

33:40

up for county council or if

33:42

you called me them for ribbon cutting , I was there

33:45

, baby , and I was smiling and I was

33:47

here for you . But you know , internally

33:50

I was still trying to work through some things

33:52

. I was trying to work through some things and

33:54

, as women , I think if

33:56

we don't deal with the internal

33:58

things that we have going on

34:01

, it can Sabotage

34:03

the greatness that's in us . Yes

34:06

, that's it and that is , and and

34:08

I believe in that moment , that's when

34:11

I was like you know what I'm really living , this 4g

34:13

life ? I'm living this 4g life

34:15

because God knows that

34:17

it was gut , grit and grind All

34:20

over again , and you know they say that you're

34:22

the first partaker of your fruit

34:24

. Yes , so during

34:26

that time , I think that really refined

34:29

some things and it made

34:31

it easy Although it was , I thought

34:33

it was the most grueling part Right

34:35

in his book was hard . It was hard like

34:37

sit down girl and tight but it

34:39

was the grind , that's the grind . It was

34:42

. It was the grind . I had already

34:44

worked out the grind in the streets

34:46

to be able to put it on the paper . Yes

34:48

, yes , that , and that's the

34:50

piece that I don't like to purchase

34:53

books that have a lot of

34:55

fluff . Tell me how

34:57

to get there . I don't need you to tell

34:59

me that the pig the wiggly gonna be on the left hand side

35:02

and after you pass the pig the wiggly it's gonna be three

35:04

green trash cans and then you make a right

35:06

turn . No , just give me the , give me the

35:08

stops , give me the directions

35:10

to help me get where I need to go , and

35:12

that's it . And I mean that's what I appreciate

35:15

about you know your book and

35:17

the things that you do out here , because

35:19

it's like step one , two , three , oh , oh , hold

35:21

up , yes , in the words of this show . So

35:29

that's my , those are my two moments

35:31

in my life , and I wouldn't trade

35:33

anything for it , because I think that more

35:35

people need to be in tune with themselves

35:38

, specially business owners

35:40

, especially those individuals who want

35:42

to be great and in leadership roles

35:44

, because , if we're a part of my expression

35:46

, but if we're all jacked up as leaders

35:49

, we a seed breeds after its

35:51

own kind , which means that

35:53

all the other people that are following behind

35:55

you , they gonna be jacked up too .

35:57

Yes , yes , you someone's watching

35:59

. Whether you think there are not there , we don't

36:01

watch it , and so when you get frustrated with

36:03

people that are repeating what you , what

36:06

they saw , you do just go back and play the

36:08

video .

36:08

They got it from somewhere and

36:10

our kids are the greatest .

36:16

Well , thanks to prayers , because prayers helped out . And

36:18

I tell people , don't let age

36:20

get in the way of what you think you bring To the table

36:22

, because you'll be amazed . Your kids Oftentimes

36:25

help you learn to do better at

36:27

what you're trying to do better at , because they're

36:29

so innocent and they're coming from a good place . There's

36:31

not I'm angry at you or mad at just like . Hey , let

36:34

me tell you what I see . What I know is because all

36:36

of us with someone's hero or hero

36:38

we someone , mother or father with someone

36:40

uncle or aunt Someone's watching

36:42

us and counting on us to be great

36:44

. Their whole life is based on

36:46

the things that we do that we think are insignificant

36:49

. It's making a huge impact for them

36:51

. And so thank you for sharing the story about what

36:53

your son did for you , because he you say

36:55

he won't never know . Well , we're gonna

36:57

let him know that we recorded this so he'll get the notice

36:59

, be listed to the spot cast like yes , you

37:01

made a difference for your mother ?

37:03

No , he actually does . Nobody doesn't know

37:05

like the impact . Yes , he

37:08

does know , because I , you know , I did tell you

37:10

a couple of weeks after passing . Well , you know , you

37:13

told me off the other day .

37:16

Yeah , you think about it for us as

37:18

parents , for those parents are listening sometimes

37:20

in your kids are expressing stuff back when

37:22

we're growing up . I could have , probably with my grandmother

37:25

, could have never said it that way , because you don't

37:27

forget who you're talking to . Well , that's changed so

37:29

much that we're allowing kids , we're giving kids

37:31

an opportunity to help and be smart and

37:33

be intelligent . So the

37:35

guard has shifted , the way we do things . That

37:37

shifted and I listen to my kids more than my parents

37:40

listen to me . It's shifting and changing

37:42

. Some people say , well , those kids have too much to say

37:44

. Well , maybe we've always had it . Yeah , maybe

37:46

we could have always contributed , but we had so

37:48

many boundaries and rules . I don't think everything

37:50

needs to be said or everything you think needs to come out

37:52

your mouth , but there's some brilliant young

37:55

people here's a lot to every leader in America

37:57

and they're not waiting for you to get out the way . No

37:59

that thing will wait your turn . It's not

38:01

gonna work for us . That thing of command and control

38:04

as a leader it's not gonna work for us . You're

38:06

gonna have to figure out a way to ensure

38:08

that you give people a chance to be brilliant

38:10

and go for their dreams , and now they're not waiting

38:12

15 or 20 years for you to pass the baton

38:14

. So please don't do that to the next leader following behind

38:17

you . So I'm glad you we've done a really , really good job

38:19

with everybody . What would you leave

38:21

with people that are listening , especially women ? What

38:23

three tips would you share with women that

38:26

want to be successful , whether it's as a business owner

38:28

, whether it's in politics , or whether it's just been happy with

38:30

themselves ?

38:31

I think the first thing is to that known

38:33

self be true . Yes , before

38:36

you can do anything for anybody

38:38

, you need to take care of you . You

38:41

need to know you . You need to know what your

38:43

limits are , what your you know what's

38:46

that thing that was just gonna put you over the edge

38:48

. I think that's the first

38:51

thing is to to that known self be

38:53

true , and that will help in

38:55

, as I , as the millennial say , that'll help

38:57

you keep it 100 . Yes , yes

38:59

. That you know , because nobody

39:02

can shake you , because you know you . Yes

39:05

, I think the other thing is study

39:07

your craft , study your

39:09

craft , know you know

39:11

if , now that I'm in the author

39:14

space , I have spent a lot of time

39:16

learning about different

39:18

literary work , send publishing

39:20

companies and all those things , because , ron

39:23

, you know , I paid a lot of money just

39:25

first go around and write this book . But some of

39:27

this stuff I can do myself .

39:28

Yes , yes .

39:29

So the next one won't be that

39:32

way . But that's you know . That's about studying

39:34

and being , and that helps

39:37

you be the best version of you

39:39

for your company . Because

39:41

if you're , we all start with with just

39:43

ourselves and it's just our bit . You know just

39:45

one employee and that's fine . But

39:48

when you get to start to duplicate

39:50

and have more multiple staff members

39:52

, you want to have that foundation

39:55

where you can say , hey , this is the one

39:57

thing that sets Baron Academy apart

39:59

from everyone else . And how do you do that

40:01

? You know , you know your markets

40:03

, you know the best practices . Study

40:06

, invest in yourself , invest in your business

40:08

. And then three would be

40:10

strengthen your circle . And

40:12

a circle , a good

40:15

circle , has layers , yes

40:17

, and so everybody doesn't get

40:19

to be in the core of the circle .

40:21

Yes .

40:22

Yes , and that's so important social media .

40:24

It is so important because everybody thinks who's a

40:26

friend on Facebook is a friend , and that's not true . Everybody's

40:28

on Instagram , no , or TikTok

40:30

, whatever platform you're following , everybody

40:32

that's on LinkedIn . Everybody's not a friend

40:34

, and everybody should be in your core circle . So please

40:37

pay attention . It's not being me , no , anything . But

40:39

you don't need a core circle of 5,000

40:41

people . It's just not reality , and what

40:43

you see on social media is not reality either . So

40:45

be mindful . What she said is super important for all

40:47

of us is where's your core circle ? And it has layers

40:50

. So I love that you're telling us you do need

40:52

to have a circle . Let's be real . Nobody does

40:54

it alone . Nobody does it alone

40:56

. Please have a circle . Have some trusted

40:58

advisors , have someone that you'll listen to

41:00

, that when you are forced , they get to slap

41:03

you around and get you back on course , because we all

41:05

kind of lose our minds sometimes . Let's be real . We

41:07

all get off that train track and think , please

41:09

, please , have someone to say , girl , if you don't stop

41:11

, this is absolute listening . You're not doing

41:13

that and no , I'm not asking . No , you're not

41:15

doing that . You need that person in your life as

41:17

well that helps you , that you respect , that's gonna

41:19

look out for you when you've lost your mind .

41:22

Yeah , yeah , so it is that you know . So with

41:25

those layers you got the core . Then

41:27

you know somebody in the next

41:29

group , your friend , but

41:31

they're not your girl . Yeah

41:33

, you know . And then in those circles just keep

41:36

extending themselves out and

41:38

with that , what those layers

41:40

help you to strengthen because they're

41:42

every layer has a purpose

41:45

. And so just

41:47

knowing what those purposes are , and don't mix

41:49

it up , because just because y'all ate

41:51

and went to lunch together and y'all went to brunch

41:53

and had mimosas , don't mean that that's

41:55

your girl and you tell her are your business

41:58

. No , it means that y'all went to lunch and y'all went

42:00

to brunch and had mimosas . That's what that means

42:02

. That's it .

42:03

She just not packed it for y'all . Stop tripping Everybody

42:06

. Ain't your closest buddy , that's what she does .

42:08

Everybody ain't your closest buddy .

42:09

It's like your body , your hand and your foot got different use

42:12

. Make sure you use it the way it's supposed to

42:14

be used . So thank you for breaking it down like a woman

42:16

. Could you know that ain't your girl ? Okay

42:18

, that's somebody you had a mimosa with , so stop

42:20

blending this and confusing yourself . So , baron

42:22

, thank you for coming on the show For

42:24

everybody . If you're interested in the

42:26

book , it's on Amazon and she gave you a lot of platforms

42:29

. If someone wanted to reach out to you because you're

42:31

going to be on a book tour , been public office

42:33

and people watch our podcast and always looking

42:35

for guests , what's the easy way for someone

42:38

to make contact with you ? So Amazon for

42:40

your book is what I told everybody . Everybody knows Amazon

42:42

, so if y'all get lost on how to find other

42:44

platforms , you can find them . But if you get

42:46

lost on Amazon 4G factor Gretchen

42:48

Baron and order the book , but how will

42:50

someone reach out to you if they want to bring you on and help you promote

42:52

your book .

42:53

The best way to reach me is at the

42:55

4G factor at Gretchen

42:58

. Let's get it right . I'm going to give you the wrong

43:00

email address the 4G factor

43:02

at GBaronConsultingcom

43:04

. That is the best

43:06

way if you want to reach out to me

43:08

and have a chat

43:11

, schedule a chat about this book , because I

43:13

think that this book is . I know what I went

43:15

through to get it , so I believe

43:17

it's going to transform some women's lives , and

43:19

some men's life for that matter . So

43:21

get me now , while I'm available .

43:24

Yeah , she dropped it . So , guys , don't think this

43:26

is just for women . And she'll let you know right now yeah

43:28

, get it , because it can change your life

43:30

as well . And so thank you for writing the book , thank

43:32

you for coming on the show , thank you for being

43:34

a leader in our city and making a difference in our

43:36

county , and thank you for being a friend , most importantly

43:39

. We met many , many years ago and we've

43:41

always had a healthy Gret relationship . If I

43:43

need you something , I can call . If you need it , you can call . So

43:45

I appreciate that . First and foremost

43:47

is the friendship , and then thanks for supporting Global

43:49

Court we don't make it by ourselves

43:52

and thank you for running Barron Academy , because our young

43:54

people need it in our city . Anything else

43:56

that you'd like to share before we close

43:58

out on us ?

43:58

So I just want to first

44:00

thank you , ron , for you're

44:03

the first person to interview me about

44:06

the 4G factor . So it's a settlement

44:08

, muno , get in this

44:10

. And I think I can't think of a better person

44:12

to have done this , because I went back and forth

44:14

to my head about what's the first

44:16

interview going to be like , so much that I told

44:19

one person that I'm real close to I said

44:21

you're going to have to interview me . I

44:23

appreciate this moment because it says a lot

44:25

for someone to lend their

44:27

space to promote something

44:29

that I'm doing . So I appreciate

44:32

you . To all of you that are listening

44:34

, I want you to make sure that you

44:36

live every moment of your

44:38

life in 4G and you

44:40

keep the hot light on . Even

44:43

when it seems like it's very difficult

44:45

and you're not certain how this

44:47

new project is going to turn out

44:49

, you keep that gut

44:52

and you keep grinding and

44:54

you keep showing up and keep

44:56

doing the small things , because it's the small

44:58

things that eventually will turn into

45:00

something big and something great .

45:03

Yes , yes , she gave you the 4Gs

45:05

again gut grit and grinding greatness

45:07

. Please , please , please . I mean , that's

45:09

her motto and you've always done it ever since

45:11

I've seen you . So thank you so much for everyone

45:14

that's watching . Thank you all for joining us , thank you all for

45:16

hanging in there with us dropping a lot of great nuggets

45:18

, unpacked a lot , and we can probably have this

45:20

conversation for another hour , but we're going to not

45:22

do that to you because we love you to come back . For

45:24

all you that are interested and want to make contact or interested

45:27

in what we do at Global Core , feel free to

45:29

follow us on LinkedIn . It's the platform

45:31

I use more than any other platform as LinkedIn

45:33

. We also have stuff posted on social media . Mostly

45:35

my professional stuff will be on LinkedIn , but you

45:37

can always go to wwwgcsconsultinging

45:42

, be happy to have

45:44

a conversation with you , be happy to support you

45:46

. We love what we do , we love serving , and

45:48

thank you all for supporting us , because without you , there's

45:50

no us . We're only good because

45:53

the people follow us and trust us to do the work that

45:55

we do . Thank you all and we look forward to you on

45:57

another show of Unpacked with .

45:58

Ron Harvey . Well

46:00

, we hope you enjoyed this edition

46:03

of Unpacked Podcast with

46:05

leadership consultant Ron Harvey

46:07

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46:09

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46:12

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46:14

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46:17

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46:19

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46:21

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46:24

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