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Welcome to Unpacked Podcasts

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with your host leadership consultant

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, ron Harvey of Global Core Strategies

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and Consulting . Ron's delighted to

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have you join us as he unpacks and

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shares his leadership experience , designed

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to help you in your leadership

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journey . Ron believes that leadership

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is the fundamental driver towards making

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a difference . So now to find

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out more of what it means to unpack

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leadership , here's your host , ron

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Harvey .

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Good morning everyone . This is Ron Harvey , the Vice

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President , epoch Operating Officer , global

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Core Strategies and Consulting . We're a leadership

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firm based out of Columbia , south Carolina , and

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everything that we do is about helping leaders be better

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to take care of the people that they're responsible

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for and responsible to . We care

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about the culture , but we do know leaders make

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a big difference and a big impact on how

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people feel about where they work at . So we

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spend all of our time making sure that you're good at what you do

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, so people care about where they work and they want to

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show up for you . But what we do outside

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of that is we've created this podcast that came

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out of really COVID and people wanted to

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know the real answers , the real truth , not

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this thing that's scripted , not this thing that you

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rehearsed and you got right in this academia . They

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wanted to hear from leaders for real , and so this podcast

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is unpacked with Ron Harvey , where we promise

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you that we're going to talk about one thing and go a lot of directions

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. We're going to talk about leadership , but we're going to be

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very transparent . So we're going to pull the curtain back for about

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25 minutes to let you hear

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what we think , and I'm going to ask questions . The

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beauty of this all of our guests never

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get any questions , so they just get

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to come in and they're brave because they don't know what I'm

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going to ask . If you know me , I may ask anything

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, but they've agreed like they'll be totally

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transparent . They'll answer questions . We'll have fun . So

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buckle up , have fun , enjoy and

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stay with us for 20 to 25 minutes . I'm

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super honored to have the guests that I have

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, now close friend , a very good

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supporter , making a difference in our community

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, full of energy and excitement , always smiling

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, always positive . I see something different

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. I'm going to check her health , but she's always positive

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and leaning in and working hard . So I love her work ethic

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. I love her professionalism . I love her being dependable

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. She's a mother and a wife . She

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has kids that she's raising . She's in the community

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. She's a phenomenal woman . So I'm happy to say

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that . Welcome to the show , roe Sho .

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And they go together Roe Sho . I love

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it . Ron Harvey , I'm excited to

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be here . I mean , it's something dynamic

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when you can start your day unpacking

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with the Ron Harvey . Yeah

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.

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I appreciate it . So just tell what people

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? Who are you ? What do you want them to know about ? You Know your

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business , your books , your family . Go wherever

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you wish . This is unpacked and so it's not scripted

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. What do you want us to know about you ?

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Well as you called me . I am known

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in the digital streets as the Roe Sho

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Live . My name is Rashonda Pratt

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. I'm a communication strategist and

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content producer , empowering

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CEOs , founders and thought

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leaders to be seen , heard

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and paid , using my 20 plus

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years experience working in television

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news .

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Yes , yes , I love it . She said get paid . So

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Roe Sho is about making sure that you

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get paid , and oftentimes we don't talk about

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getting paid . You know , some days they're giving me a chicken

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dinner and giving me a nice gift card . Those days

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are that's not what we're looking for . We want to close

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the wealth gap . We want to ensure we can do something

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for our families and our communities and give back . So we

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got to get paid too . So , as we talk about

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this and we talk about leadership and all those

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years of experience phenomenal , thank

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you . It's Women's History Month . I'm

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really interviewing women all month and having them

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come on the show who's the significant

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woman that you would give credit to

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that's helped you afford the most into you ? I

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know you probably have plenty , but who jumps out immediately

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when you hear that question ?

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Oh man , there's so many women

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.

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You're right .

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Like , how do I pick ? I think about my mentors

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. I think about , you know

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, my friend Capriccio , who gave me my first ministry

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assignment . Think about the women who

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are part of my brain trust , who rallied behind

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me . But I would say , I

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know you said one , so I'm going to do , I'm going

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to cheat a little bit , I'm going to give a group a

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group You're going to stay out of trouble .

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Right , it's okay .

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Yeah , I'm going to do a give a group

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. First I would have to say it's

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my grandmothers , my middle

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name , I'm named after my

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father's mother and

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then I think about my mother's

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mother , and my family is

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from the beautiful country of Trinidad and Tobago

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, and so there are some things that my

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grandmothers instilled in me

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growing up that I'll never forget

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. So my mother's mother

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we used to call her mother , and she would

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always tell me when we were talking the phone

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she would always say Rishanda , remember

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books before boys . She would always

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say that Books before boys

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. I think she

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would be proud of the fact that I listened

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right Graduated

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with honors from Wyntham University and

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I married a really great boy . So I

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think she would be proud of that so I always remember

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when she said that Ron books

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before boys . What she was really speaking to me is

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about understanding value and

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making the main thing

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the main thing . So I learned that from

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her and I remember that . And then I think

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about my father's mother

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, who was such an amazing

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storyteller , ron Harvey

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. I aspire to be that

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kind of storyteller Like she would tell me stories

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and she would act out the different accents

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, and her stories were so like

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wild . I would go to my dad afterwards

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and say , dad Donon this is what

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we used to call it Donon Donon just told

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me this story . Is this true

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? There's no way this happened , there's no

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way this happened how she said it . And

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so she really helped to cultivate

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my love for stories

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and storytelling . And then

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I also think about my mother , who

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instilled this self-worth

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and value on the inside of me . And

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sure , I went through my things as a high schooler

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, a young adult , young woman , my own

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journey . But there are some things that she told

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me as a Westinian mother . She always told me

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, ron , late invitations are for

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dogs . So

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I knew in school , ron Harvey , if

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you were having a sleepover on Friday

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, and you gave me that invitation on Thursday and

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I took it to Joan oh , I'm not going . You

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knew you was having a sleepover earlier in the

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week . You should have gave me an invitation early

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in the week . So she was instilling in me this

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thought of valuing yourself

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. My mom was very big . When we did school

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projects , ron , it was always I've

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always a school projects , because my mom was

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like your name is on this and is

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that the best you can do ? So she taught me

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how to value my

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name and the work ascribed

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to it . So it would be those three ladies .

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Wow , Thank you . I mean , if you're

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listening , you're talking about those three ladies . Everything that you told

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about them is showing up in you right now .

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Yes .

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Yeah , it's showing up in you . So the seeds

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planted are beginning to actually

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produce the fruit that they hope that it would have produced

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. So if you're listening and you're watching , rocha

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drops nuggets all the time . So if you're listening and

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you're driving and whatever , pull over because

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she's going drop stuff that you want . I need to catch that . I need to

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catch that . That's what this is really about . So

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, rocha , let's unpack for a second . You gave some things

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that were really critical , that are super important . Why

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is it so important for leaders women

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leaders to ensure that everything that their

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name is attached to is the

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best that it can be that they can produce

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? Why is that so relevant and important today

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? Because social media is huge . People are

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posting all kinds of stuff , people are trying to keep up with everybody

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. People are putting stuff that's not a polygale . Why

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is it so important for us to understand and especially

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when we're trying to close this gap for women , to

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make sure everything they attach their name to is

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something they would be very proud of . That

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will help them get the results they're trying to get . Why is that important

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?

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Because what you put your name to , ron , really

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is an extension of your own personal

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belief and worth . I'm a firm

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believer that stories give permission

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, and so when you are putting

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yourself out there on social media , when you are

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sharing your thought leadership , when you're writing

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that article in Forbes magazine

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, when you are working with

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a corporate client a government contract

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and they worked with you once and they

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came back again and they signed another contract

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to work with you again what you're really doing

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is giving the next one behind you permission

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to do the same . Because

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if I can see Rishanda doing it , if

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I can see Rishanda working with brands like LinkedIn

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, if I can see Rishanda working

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with companies like the Kellogg Foundation

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, if I can see Rishanda sharing her thought

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leadership online , then guess what ? What's

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my excuse ? It's possible for me

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, because she just showed me that she

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made it possible for herself . So when we

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bet on ourselves as women , we're not just rolling

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the dice on ourselves . We're rolling

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the dice on every other woman

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that is coming behind you

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. That's also saying , yeah , I want to do

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that too , and I'm going to bet on myself as well

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.

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Wow , rishanda , phenomenal

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. I'll say something that I hear quite often

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, and you hear it . I got mine

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. Let them get down .

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Yeah , Unfortunately that's

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so selfish .

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And .

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I understand the

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idea behind it

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, but what we don't

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understand is , even if

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someone has said that to you the previous

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generation well , I've got mine , you

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need to figure out and get yours that's

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really not even true , because someone

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had to lay the foundation and framework

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for you to even see what's possible

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. Yes , right , so we're

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always looking at someone else who's

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helping to shape the narrative or what's possible

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for ourselves . Yes

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, so even when we tell people that it's not

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true , because the person who's saying that someone

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had to show you what's possible for you to even

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say , or to aspire to be

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the next millionaire in your family or to aspire

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to being a business owner , you

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had to see that modeled somewhere . Or

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God downloaded something to you

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. You know you being the first to do

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it I think about Harriet Tubman , you being

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the first to do it but someone still

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had to download that in you . We're not alone

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island and if you are a lone ranger

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, ultimately you become a gone ranger

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.

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Wow , okay , so y'all can go ahead and tweet that

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you know when you're trying to do it by yourself , you won't be around

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long , so you won't be around long . It just doesn't

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happen . The universe not created for you to be your

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best by yourself ?

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It isn't . You know one of my favorite things

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, ron Harvey . I live by

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this . I live by this . It

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is . If you're doing anything significant

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and it doesn't require other people

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, then it's not that significant

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. Yes , Significance is not

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built in a silo , it's built

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in a community .

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Yes , and significance is not about you .

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It is not .

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At the end of the day , you can't be significant if you're only taking

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care of you .

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Yes , you know what's interesting about that word significance

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. If you look at that word

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and you write it out , you will see the word

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sign in it . Wow

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. So here's the thing about

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significance you are a sign

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to someone else not

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a sign to yourself ? Yes . So

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even with your significance because all

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of us are significant you're special , the

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person who's listening . You are all that in a bag of

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chips , Okay . But even you're

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all that in a bag of chips isn't about

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you . It is a sign to someone else

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. My friend , Dr Cheryl Wood , says

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it like this she says your story is

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about you , but it's

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not for you .

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Absolutely yes , it is about you and

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it's not for you . Someone else is going to read it . So

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a couple of questions that's coming up that I love to unpack

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. I know your story , I know your backdrop

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. You walked away from your career in

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television , which I know was

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a frightening moment for you .

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But look at you now .

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How did you manage to get the energy , the

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confidence to walk away from something and

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begin to and it wasn't easy to

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get to where you are now . What was that like when you walked

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out and what did you do that

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helped you continue to move forward , Because

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there's some days I'm sure it was very uncomfortable .

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I just had this audacious thought

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, Ron Harvey , to bet on myself . It's

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so when I think about I'm like girl that was crazy , Like

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you put all the chips . If

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we were playing poker , you put all

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the chips on Rishanda Pratt . This

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is pretty crazy , but

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I just had this thing on the inside that

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was pulling me that there is more

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outside of this newsroom . And you

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know my journey . I started doing live stream

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about 2015 with this app

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called Periscope , which gave all of us the capabilities

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then to live stream via

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our phone , and I knew what it takes

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to live stream or what it takes to do

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a live broadcast , because of my years

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of working in television , and I

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started showing up on social

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media and I wrote this book called

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CEO of live video and

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it became a calling card and people

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started asking me can you speak ? While

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I was working at the TV station . I often call

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the TV station my angel investor , my

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silent business partner . And so

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working at the TV station , ron , and I said , yeah

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, I talk a lot , I think I can go and speak

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at an event . And it opened up a door

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of me becoming an international speaker

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, speaking in Paris , france , speaking on many

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stages East Coast , west Coast and every

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place in between . And what I

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realized in that journey ? My husband

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and I were on our way to another speaking event

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in Florida and he turned to me and he said

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I think you need to bet on yourself . Wow

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, and I was feeling this

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tug of it's comfortable

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to be here , but this is not

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where I need to be . And I really

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had this . I already had a divine promise

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about my life and

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so I knew it wasn't going to happen here . I

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was assured of that and I

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listened to my husband and I

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typed up my resignation letter and

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I decided to bet on myself . And Ron

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Harvey , what was so amazing ? When I

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reached out to all of my contacts , people

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that I worked with in the industry , telling

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them I was stepping out on this endeavor

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and betting on myself , I had

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government contracts waiting on me . My first

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contract was with a government entity

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. Wow , and they said we were waiting

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. We've been watching you grow this brand , the

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Roche live . We're watching what you're

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doing and this is a note to women there's

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always people watching , even if they

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never comment even if they never tell you

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that they're watching . And so here's this government

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entity watching what I was doing

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. But they knew they couldn't work with me because it would

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be a conflict of interest because of my journalism

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career and the fact I was working at a local

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CBS affiliate . So they were . I

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had money waiting

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on me , Ron Harvey , and so

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I stepped into this and within

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six months of leaving the

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industry , I doubled my TV

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news salary . Doubled it , and

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I couldn't believe it . And so in

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our company we have this thought of

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we're always going to bet on

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ourselves . I'm always going to bet on Ro

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, because of what my grandmothers

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, what my mother , my father , instilled

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in me . I just believe I have

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the goods and I believe

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, as you're listening to this friend , you

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have the goods as well . Sometimes

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it's leaving what's familiar and

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stepping into what's unfamiliar

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for you to tap into the goods

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that you have .

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Yes , yes , love it . So , rochelle

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, thank you for sharing it . Let's go to a moment

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where you got in your own way

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. You had self-limiting

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beliefs . You doubted yourself . Leaders

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hit that brick wall sometimes and it can

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be lonely at the top if you didn't bring anybody with you , because

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it's never lonely at the top if you bring people with you .

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Correct .

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If you go along , you will find yourself alone at the top . How

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do you help people get past this

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self-limiting belief or doubt

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when times get tough ?

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One of the greatest things that I had to do in my

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beginning journey , as I moved

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into learning to bet on myself , is , first , I

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had to learn how to give myself permission , and

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give myself permission outside

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the confines of how other people have defined

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me and even how I

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have Limited my own definitions

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of myself . And so one of the things

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that I do with people is that walking them through

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this journey of Writing their own permission

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slip and giving themselves

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permission to show up fully

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as Themselves , crushing

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the limited belief , because what we know about

15:57

limiting belief is is it's

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totally a lie . You

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are capable of hitting that go live button . You

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are capable of speaking on that

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stage . You are capable of sharing

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your thought leadership . There are things that you

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are dynamic at doing and you're capable

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of doing it , but we have to silence

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the inner critic . And I don't know about

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anybody else , but I have learned

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the best way to silence

16:21

the inner critic , the best way to

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confront those limited beliefs , ron Harvey

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, is to do it anyway . Yes

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, I have not been able to move past limited

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beliefs Just sitting here saying I'm not gonna do

16:32

it . I had to embrace Doing

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hard things and doing it afraid

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, and that's how I've continued

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to crush limited beliefs

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.

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Yeah , I love it for those you're listening . You're

16:44

waiting for you to be fully recovered , at

16:46

your full strength , to have all the answers for

16:48

everything , to be just perfect . It's not happening

16:51

not , you're gonna have to step out

16:53

afraid , step out unsure

16:55

and know that in that process you

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get better . So that's you

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know , so you're planning those things and what your ancestors

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have planted into you . They didn't work for you to get perfect

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. They planted it and allowed it to grow

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. So whatever you believe in , and plant

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it , just planted water , planted water

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, planted water . Let's speak to

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the people that are listening . How

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important has mentorship or role

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models or people in your corner been to

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you and your success ?

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Oh , extremely important , you

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know . Going back to what I said , you know If

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you're doing anything significant and it doesn't

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require other people , it's not that significant . Mentorship

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has been Very important

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to me . I think about people like Angela

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, carr Patterson and Dr

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K and Ron Harvey

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. You know , I look at the folks

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in my life who are cheering

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me on , who challenge

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some of those limited beliefs , who

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Encourage me to dream

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and think bigger and show up bigger

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and brighter . Mentorship

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shrinks your time . Yes , let

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me say that again yeah . Mentor

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shrinks your time

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. You're trying to Google stuff .

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Because that is a mastermind

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by itself . What do you mean by mentorship

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? Shrinks your time .

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What would take you five years

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to figure out the right conversation

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? Ready for this and asking

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the right question will

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shrink five years into an hour and

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Then you go and do it . Awesome

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, important part .

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Let me talk about that I don't learn the extra right

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question because people Struggle

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. I mean , you think about all of us . What

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do I learn , nice , after right questions ? I didn't

18:37

learn it till later in life . So , if you're listening , the question

18:40

changes the future , not the statement . Let's be real

18:42

clear . Yes , question changes

18:44

the future Because it's curiosity

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. What if the iPhone could do this ? What

18:49

if technology could do this ? What if chat

18:51

GPT ? Someone asked that question and now

18:53

we have it . So it's the question

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that changes the future , not the statement .

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How do I get good ?

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at the question .

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Listen . You said so many things there . Okay

19:01

, so let me make this statement , and then I'm

19:03

gonna go to something you said , and you

19:05

said one of my favorite words . One of my

19:07

favorite words , so number one when

19:09

we are given the gift

19:12

of a mentor and they give us direction

19:14

and wisdom , it is your responsibility

19:16

to honor them enough to go do what they said . Yes

19:19

, go do what they said , because

19:22

it's in the action of doing that

19:24

more things are revealed . And so you talked

19:26

about how do we ask the right questions . It's

19:28

something I learned as a journalist and it's

19:30

something I tell every new Journalist

19:33

who steps foot in a newsroom that

19:35

I'm a part of . Remain curious

19:38

. Yes , we have lost

19:40

. I don't know what happened . We started adulting out here

19:42

and we started paying bills and

19:45

we started being really smart and really

19:47

, we have missed the

19:49

beauty of curiosity . Yes

19:51

, why is that ? Is

19:54

there a better way ? What do you

19:56

think about this ? The art of

19:58

being curious , not

20:00

nosy , of

20:04

being curious . When you remain

20:06

curious , you'll ask good questions . When I

20:08

think about my journalism career and I think

20:10

about the journalist that I loved working with

20:13

and loved seeing their stories

20:15

, yes , it was always the journalists

20:17

who were curious . Yes

20:20

, that's where you get the depth of things .

20:23

So leaders , if you're listening , remain

20:25

curious . And it's amazing , rochelle , when you talk about

20:27

what did we lose that ? Because kids , as

20:29

much as they may aggravate you , as much as they

20:31

may just drive you insane when they ask , they get

20:34

in the car , in that backseat and they're coming

20:36

out . They have so much that they want to unload

20:38

and parents sometimes not right now . Well

20:40

, why this and why that you like stop asking ? Why never

20:43

put them in a position to stop asking questions

20:45

Correct ? And often we

20:47

will talk that because even when I was growing up , you know my

20:49

parents limit how many times and when they got fed up with

20:51

questions and we had a large family . So you

20:53

think of 12 kids asking questions and

20:55

they're asking 12,000 of that's a whole lot

20:57

of questions for your parents .

20:59

That is 12 kids got . Bless your family

21:01

.

21:01

Oh , remain

21:05

curious . Ask the question because it changes the future

21:07

. So , rochelle , when you think about

21:09

when you are , the

21:11

challenges you've had , how do you help

21:13

women overcome this gap where

21:15

women are still not seen in the workforce ? Matter of fact , there's

21:18

still 85 cents to every dollar that a

21:20

man makes , a woman makes 85 cent . You

21:22

know the life of her career , rochelle . That's over

21:24

$400,000

21:27

and lost wages Wow , how

21:29

do you help us have this conversation

21:31

that we stop putting us in a

21:33

position where a woman makes 85 cents , I'll

21:36

make a dollar , and I may not even be better qualified

21:38

in her .

21:39

Mm-hmm . I think it's really going

21:41

back to my DNA , and

21:43

my makeup is teaching women

21:46

how to be economic

21:48

engines and how to drive

21:50

their own economy . There's something really

21:52

special about being an entrepreneur

21:55

and I think about when I left the confines

21:57

of the TV newsroom and Started

22:00

being able to create

22:02

my own economics , and now

22:04

we have two team members

22:06

that's amazing to me and

22:09

we're hiring other women , not

22:11

just here in the US but globally

22:14

, to work in this mission

22:16

of you deserve to be seen

22:18

, heard and paid , and so that's a way

22:21

in which we can start

22:23

to turn the tide of this . But

22:25

also being with people

22:27

like you , ron Harvey , and being on , you

22:29

know , interviews like this and

22:31

being a part of the work you know we've done , work

22:33

together in the sense of having allies

22:36

and not making men not a part

22:38

of this conversation , but bringing them a part

22:40

of this conversation and bringing them on and challenging

22:43

them . There have been times where I have

22:46

seen both on the ministry

22:48

side is this side , the life side

22:50

, where I've had the challenge people who are putting together

22:52

events and said Can you not find a woman

22:54

who can speak about this Right

22:56

, or the men that are in our life

22:58

when you are in circles , when you are in

23:01

rooms Looking for ways to elevate

23:03

women hey , I know a really great woman You've

23:05

done this for me several times Ron Harvey who

23:08

can emcee this event or who can speak

23:10

on this platform . Those kinds of

23:12

things help us to turn

23:14

the tide on this by

23:17

doing those actions .

23:18

Yes , and she's absolutely right , rochelle is man . I like

23:20

to say I say girls are women . Don't get offended when

23:22

I use it , but Rochelle is my girl . If I want

23:24

to reach out to someone and I want to say Rochelle is , are

23:27

you available , can you do this ? And I've referred people to

23:29

her because she shows up consistently . So

23:31

I will tell every leader you must

23:34

be good if you want to be referred you

23:37

have to be good if you want to be referred

23:39

. Otherwise people will say your name in the room

23:41

. They may say , yeah , I know them , and they may not refer you . So

23:43

I'm going to tell you it's so important that you're good

23:46

so good that people say your name in

23:48

rooms that your feet have not landed .

23:50

That's right . I'm grateful

23:52

that you say my name .

23:54

Yeah , I say the rooms at her feet and the

23:56

goal is to make sure that her feet make it into

23:58

that room . So , roshia

24:00

, how do you help leaders that the

24:02

people that they thought were their biggest supporters become

24:05

their naysayers ? How do you help us mentally

24:07

get past that ? Because that can be hurtful , that can be frustrating

24:09

, that can set you back , and naysayers happen

24:11

to everybody , right . How do you help us get

24:13

past the naysayers ? And when they're close to you , they become

24:16

the naysayers ? How do you help us get past

24:18

that ?

24:18

Because there's people right now that are stuck

24:20

. I've dealt with a couple of

24:22

naysayers . I think about yeah

24:25

, I think about when I left television news

24:27

or when I actually started using

24:29

live streaming to build a brand

24:32

, a digital brand . And a lot of my colleagues

24:34

were this is dumb , roshia

24:36

, this is a fad . Can you imagine ? This

24:39

is a fad , kind of like the internet . It was a fad

24:41

. I was just convinced

24:43

by my vision and I

24:45

think how we navigate

24:47

the naysayers is you have

24:49

to be more convinced of your vision

24:51

than they are . Yes , because , remember

24:54

, the vision was given to you , it wasn't

24:56

given to them , or else they would be doing it

24:58

. So I was so convinced

25:00

about this vision , I

25:03

was so convinced that rain

25:05

was coming , I just kept building

25:07

this arc . I was so convinced of

25:09

it . And so you have to be more

25:11

convinced . And sometimes what I've learned

25:13

, Ron , and what we talk

25:15

to our clients about , is about these naysayser

25:17

. Especially when they're adjacent to you , close

25:20

to you , whether it's a family , your best friend

25:22

, those folks are well-meaning . I

25:24

mean when I was leaving my good TV job .

25:27

They cared about you , they loved you . We're probably concerned

25:29

.

25:30

You're going to do what on the internet ? What

25:32

are we doing on the internet and why are you leaving

25:34

the TV station ? Did they fire you Rashawn ? To

25:36

tell us the truth ? No

25:38

, I'm leaving on my own accord . Those

25:41

people mean the best for you , right ? But

25:44

we have to be convinced by our vision

25:46

and we have to understand that when we

25:48

are getting what I like to call visibility

25:50

friction , right .

25:52

That pushback that friction .

25:55

And friction happens several ways , ron Harvey

25:57

. You can have visibility friction , where you

25:59

are starting to come into your own and

26:01

you're being introduced to a you you never

26:03

experienced before oh wait a minute , what is happening

26:05

? Friction . The other friction

26:08

is the outside influences and what

26:10

you're receiving from people who are just like

26:12

I don't get this . This is weird . Why are you

26:14

doing that ? And some of the friction is this

26:16

, ron Number one , you're taking

26:18

away the excuse that it can't be done because

26:20

they told themselves it can't be done and now you're

26:22

showing them that it is possible to

26:25

. That friction also produces

26:27

this jealousy

26:29

, sometimes this envy of

26:31

you're doing something that

26:34

I desire to do . Yes , and

26:36

the other friction of that is when

26:38

it comes to relationship , is you've changed

26:41

and I'm not used to this new

26:43

you and that's uncomfortable . But

26:46

that doesn't mean you let go of the vision

26:48

. You stick with it and you stick

26:50

in it because ultimately the friction

26:53

that can feel like a bunch of rubbing

26:55

together like Velcro after a while it

26:58

doesn't feel so tough .

27:01

Absolutely yes , yes . And as you were talking

27:03

, rochelle , what came to mind ? And I'm watching

27:05

your hand moving and I thought she's a storyteller , she's

27:08

always full of energy . I know y'all are leaning like

27:10

don't end this yet , but it reminds me of

27:12

an aircraft . An airplane never gets

27:14

in the air If it doesn't go against

27:16

the wind . It doesn't . It

27:19

never elevates , it goes down the runway

27:21

and . But if it never goes against

27:23

the wind , it never elevates

27:25

. You're going to have to go against something . If

27:28

you're going to go higher , you're going to have to go against the

27:30

wind and there's going to be turbulence doesn't

27:32

mean you're about to crash . It just means you got to change

27:34

lower your level or raise your level . The

27:37

airplane is flying all day with turbulence doesn't

27:39

mean it's going to crash . And sometimes we

27:41

feel turbulence and we abandon , we

27:45

jump . So I got to tell you , like when I'm

27:47

listening to what you're saying is , how do you stay the

27:49

course when there's turbulence ?

27:51

How do I stay the course when there's turbulence ?

27:54

Because it does happen for all of us and for

27:56

everyone that's listening to us . Sometimes we make it really really

27:58

easy . Sometimes you'll see us and say , man

28:00

, you're overnight success . And I tell people that's

28:02

absolutely true about 10 years

28:05

of overnight . I

28:07

love that it is true , I

28:10

did a whole bunch of nights , but so you

28:12

saw it in the daytime and I probably was working at night to

28:14

get it done . How do you remain

28:16

calm ? How do you stay the course doing turbulence

28:18

?

28:19

Because I'm just convinced that

28:21

this turbulence won't last , and

28:24

I'm also convinced I've learned

28:26

this . I wasn't always like this , but I've

28:29

learned this that Challenges

28:31

are not what's happening to me

28:33

, it's what's happening for me . So

28:36

what may be a failure

28:38

really is an opportunity to learn . What

28:41

was a failure was an opportunity to say

28:43

okay , we tried , that it didn't work

28:45

, so let's tweak it a little bit . What

28:47

can look like turbulence and

28:49

rockiness Actually can work

28:52

for my good and my benefit . So

28:54

I've actually learned how to embrace

28:56

Challenges like

28:58

a champion .

28:59

Wow , she embraces it . It's an opportunity

29:01

. Yes , it's an opportunity . The other

29:03

side force . Rochelle , you're running your business

29:06

, you're doing multiple things . How do you help

29:08

entrepreneurs or women , because sometimes women

29:10

get caught up at home and then in this

29:12

lifestyle Of the kids and the dinner and the food

29:14

and all these other things , for whatever reason , we think they're

29:16

the only ones that can do it . I don't believe in work , work

29:18

like balance . I believe in harmony . How do you manage

29:20

being the person that you're supposed

29:23

to be to your children and to your husband , but

29:25

also living through your career in your dream ? How

29:27

do you do that effectively ? And don't lose either , because

29:29

I don't want you to burn bridges . People

29:31

listen . Don't burn a bridge that you got across

29:33

.

29:34

Correct . I learned very early

29:36

on to have buy-in and and

29:39

leaders . You all know what I'm talking about

29:41

buy-in . So when I think about

29:43

those early years on Harvey of doing

29:45

live video , when my kids were very

29:48

young and they had

29:50

the opportunity to walk in on my camera

29:52

shot and all of these things , I've

29:54

made a bargain with my son because at the time

29:56

my son was much younger he's 13

29:58

as of this podcast interview but , oh

30:00

my gosh , he would always make

30:03

a noise . He's a boy , right ? Well . I'm trying to

30:05

do these videos and so one day I told

30:07

him I said do you like Chuck E cheese ? This one Chuck

30:09

E cheese was the thing right ? And he says I

30:11

do . I said , okay , here's the

30:13

deal Mommy does these videos

30:16

so I can take you to Chuck E cheese . Because

30:18

back then , ron , my goal for

30:20

this company was very limited . It

30:22

was like I want to be able to take my kids

30:24

on a vacation , I want to be able to contribute

30:27

to my household , those kinds of things . We've since

30:29

expanded that vision , but it

30:31

was just I want to be able to take him to Chuck E

30:33

cheese and my husband . I have to foot the bill . And

30:35

he said , okay , I get it . I was like so if you're quiet

30:38

, you know , give reward . I gave

30:40

him buy-in . Well , long behold

30:42

. One day he looked at me . He said mommy

30:44

, are you not doing a video today ? And I said , no , I don't think

30:46

I'm gonna do one today . He said so there's no Chuck E

30:48

cheese . I said you know what ? You're right , son , let

30:51

me get up and let me go to work now

30:53

. This kid , when I say I'm doing a video

30:55

, he's now 13 . He's puts on

30:57

the lights for me , he sets up my thing

30:59

. He's now . He edits videos in our company

31:01

. All of those things , right . And

31:03

so buy-in . I've

31:06

learned very early on to include

31:08

my family and what I

31:10

am doing . Include them

31:12

in , you know , packing the swag bags

31:15

. Include my daughter in . This is what

31:17

I'm gonna wear on stage . What do you think about this ? Bring

31:19

them to see what

31:21

I'm doing . And here's a pro tip . I'm

31:23

gonna do this quick tip for everyone . Yes

31:25

, a friend of mine , denise mock , taught

31:27

me this and Ron Harvey , I think you'll love this . One

31:30

of the things I've started doing over the couple

31:33

of years now , for several years now , is

31:35

I went to Hobby Lobby and bought one of these big hat

31:37

boxes . Right for the guys , you

31:40

can just get a regular box . So

31:42

I got this really cute hat box

31:44

and every Thank-you

31:47

card , every Invitation

31:50

, every speaker badge , every program

31:52

with my name on it . Because my name is their name

31:54

, because we have the same last name , I put

31:56

it in that box . Here's why , at

31:58

the end of my life , when

32:00

I have gone home to be with the Lord , I want

32:02

them to be able to open that box and

32:05

tangibly see the impact

32:07

that their mother made , tangibly

32:10

experience the

32:12

result of their buy-in , the result

32:14

of them sharing me with other people

32:16

, the result of me getting on planes

32:19

, the result of them Constantly saying

32:21

yes to me writing

32:23

a book and what that means constantly

32:25

saying yes . So I think my

32:28

biggest thing is have buy-in

32:30

for my family , for my

32:32

friends who are part of my tight knit circle

32:34

. They have buy-in to what

32:36

I am doing and that continues

32:39

to propel me .

32:40

Yes , yes , I love it buy-in

32:42

. She took a distraction and turned it to an advantage

32:44

. Yeah , and I'll tell you . It's so important

32:46

. Those are going to show up . And how do you have a different

32:49

perspective ? Versus , get irritated

32:51

about it and show appreciation for you

32:53

. Be amazed . People want to help . You just got to help

32:55

find a space for them to help you . So leave

32:57

as if you're listening to this . Be down to earth . Always

32:59

tell people , at the end of the day

33:02

, it's not about us At

33:04

the end of the day , who you're inviting in , who

33:07

you're intentionally creating space for them

33:09

to be smart . Where are we doing that

33:11

on a consistent basis on our team ? I

33:13

tell people I hire you because I want you to make

33:15

me better . I Know

33:18

you wanted a paycheck , but I'm hiring you because I

33:20

want you to make me better in any way that

33:22

you see you can make me better . Please share that with me

33:24

. I invite that . I welcome that . I want

33:26

to hear that I don't bring them on

33:29

for me to tell them what to do . I bring them

33:31

on to make me better .

33:33

You're a great leader , ron Harvey .

33:37

So Russia ? We've had a phenomenal time . We've

33:39

unpacked a lot for people . What would

33:41

you leave people with that are listening if

33:43

there's one or two or three lists , whatever

33:45

, that list is one of the things that you would want

33:47

for people that are listening and watching and enjoying

33:49

this podcast . What would you leave with them ?

33:52

every time I'm on a stage or every time

33:54

I have an interview like this , that

33:57

your silence is not golden

33:59

. You no longer have

34:01

the right to remain silent

34:03

. My friend , your visibility

34:06

is power . Your expertise

34:08

, your authority , your thought leadership deserves

34:11

to be seen , heard and

34:13

paid . Yes , yes .

34:15

The last question for you Leadership

34:18

. The level of trust and leadership

34:21

is at an all-time low . How do we begin

34:23

to turn that curve ? Because there's a real issue for people

34:25

trusting their leaders in all sectors

34:27

of society , whether it's churches , whether it's communities

34:29

, whether it's schools , whether it's families , whether

34:31

it's boys and girls , or whether it's on boards

34:34

. There's a low level of trust across our entire

34:36

society . How do we help get our arms

34:38

wrapped around this and begin to pivot this back ?

34:41

As leaders , I think we need to embrace authenticity

34:44

, transparency and vulnerability

34:46

. Yes , I think for too long

34:48

we have been like

34:50

the Wizard of Oz , the voice

34:52

hiding behind a curtain , and

34:55

we have not been authentic , transparent

34:58

or vulnerable with the people that we

35:00

are leading . We have created this fall facade

35:02

that we don't deal with challenges , we don't

35:05

experience failure , we

35:07

don't question our own vision sometimes

35:09

right . We've created this facade and

35:11

this whole thing and we're not

35:13

understanding that the people who serve alongside

35:16

us , who are championing with

35:18

us this cause , this vision

35:20

, they want to see your authenticity

35:23

, your transparency and your vulnerability

35:26

.

35:26

Yes , leaders , let people see who you

35:28

are . Let them know who you are , I know . When I came

35:30

up , I was taught don't let them see you sweat

35:32

, don't let them know too much about you . Those

35:34

days are over . Command and control days are

35:37

over . People are not living that life

35:39

anymore . People will walk away from a job

35:41

without a job . I was taught don't leave

35:43

a job until you got a job . That's

35:45

not what you're dealing with . It is so different for us

35:47

and we're going to have to make adjustments if

35:49

we're going to be effective . So , rochelle

35:51

, anything out there . Is there

35:54

a book out there ? Is there a website out there ? How

35:56

do we make contact with you ? What do you want to share with us

35:58

? To follow you , to support you and to reach

36:00

you ?

36:01

Yeah , so we just released our second

36:03

edition of CEO

36:05

of a live video . I'm so excited

36:08

for those who can see this CEO

36:10

of live video , which is discovering

36:13

the fundamentals of dominating on live

36:15

video through the eyes of a producer . People

36:17

have called this a manual . They've called it the

36:19

Bible of doing live stream

36:21

. If you know that you want to show up on

36:23

video to be seen , heard

36:26

and paid , this is the book that tells you

36:28

everything to how to push that go live

36:30

button , to how to build a digital brand

36:32

and presence and how to show up

36:34

doing the things that we talked about much

36:36

in this interview . It's available right now

36:38

on Amazon and any major

36:40

book retailer . Ceo

36:42

of live video .

36:44

Yes , yes . Is there a website or a best way

36:46

to reach you ? If someone wants to bring you on a podcast ? Someone wants to

36:48

bring you in for speaking , and I'm asking everyone to

36:50

listen to this , bring her in . She's phenomenal . I

36:53

use her . If she's available , I use

36:55

Rochelle , and so how do people reach

36:57

you if they want to use your services ?

36:58

Sure , so the best way to contact me is

37:01

through my website , the Rochelle

37:03

live , which is T H E

37:05

R O S H

37:07

O L I V E dot

37:09

com .

37:10

Yes , yes , and you know she's good at it . So

37:12

if you're watching what she's doing , she's not

37:14

pretending or faking this . This is what she does . Every

37:17

single time I meet her , she's good at the moment herself

37:19

. He's always smiling , she's always full of energy

37:21

. This is who she is . So if you think she's

37:24

doing it , it's her natural skill

37:26

set . She's naturally who she is . So

37:28

thank you . So , rochelle , phenomenal session

37:30

. Love that you unpack so much , with people dropped

37:32

all kind of nuggets . And for those of you who listen

37:34

, you know why I was so excited to see her . Come on

37:36

, I mean , she's in the community of friend . I

37:39

can't get her and her husband to go bowling with us anymore

37:41

. You know they didn't pull it out of the bowling thing . They we took the

37:43

bowling once and they stopped going bowling with the Harveys

37:45

.

37:45

Yeah , because the Harveys didn't tell us that they

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were part of a bowling league . It was a total

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setup . Sir Feel

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lied to .

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Yeah , we had a good time . They did show up like wait

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a minute , y'all got shoes and bowling bags , yeah

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.

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Like regular bowling thing . Wait a minute , you're a part of

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a league . Never mind , we've already lost before

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we started .

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Yes , yes . So the power of relationship

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, the power of being authentic , the power of supporting

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someone else . Sometimes , leaders , you

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need to show up for someone else and support

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them and be their cheerleader , and there's nothing in there

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for you but to show up , be supportive

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of other people , and I'll do that for Oshawa and she's done it for me

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. For those that are listening , thank y'all for joining

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us . Again , this is Ron Harvey , with global

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and consulting . You'll find us . I'm

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be a partner with you to support your organization

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and your leaders . Again , thank you for joining unpacked

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with Ron Harvey and my guest , rochelle

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. You guys have a wonderful day and hopefully

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we'll see you again on another recording .

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Yeah .