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School of Humans. The
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nineteen forty eight World Series signaled
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a new era for Major League Baseball.
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The Boston Braves faced off against
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the Cleveland Indians and the first Championship
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to be nationally televised, and
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in Game five, Leroy Satchel
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Page took the mound, the
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first ever player from the Negro Leagues
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to pitch in a World Series. Here's
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the moment he walked onto the field, and
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here's the announcement about the appearance of
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sache past the
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Hall of Famer remains one of baseball's
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most celebrated pitchers. Page's
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pitching remained bold, versatile,
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and unpredictable as he was pitching for the
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Indians in that historic game some seventy
0:58
four years ago. In
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the nineteen forty eight game, his fast
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pitching was on full display.
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The pitch swung on and I
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don't think the fast. Each
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man who went up to bat against him dreaded it.
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And he had stamina. He
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was eighteen when he began playing baseball
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professionally and didn't hang up his hat
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until he was almost sixty. Page
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started in the Negro National Leagues in the mid nineteen
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twenties and eventually became the first
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black pitcher to play in the American League. All
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the best players of the time said Paige was
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the greatest. Joe DiMaggio
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called him the best I've ever faced and the
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fastest. Plus the man
1:42
had more personality than the rest of the league combined.
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Here he is in nineteen fifty eight talking
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to a reporter in Miami. While
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he was playing. It became a running joke that
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Sachel would never disclose his age. The
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truth I don't think of but a very few people in the United
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States, nor my age, of where I come from me because
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I've been playing him since I was a kid. I never had
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a job. But still this isn't one hundred
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years run everybody on feet. This he did
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played ball with miss albums one hundred, some of them
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eighty five and ninety. Page
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died in nineteen eighty two. He's
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buried in Kansas City, Missouri, home
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of his beloved Negro League Monarchs. The
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Page's roots were further south. He
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grew up in a poor family, the sixth of twelve
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children, in a segregated neighborhood
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called Down the Bay in Mobile, Alabama.
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Nat You at least stands a home in Kansas City.
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He visits down a mobile as
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that said one time that I just live wearing pitcher.
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Both Satchel Page's birthplace and resting
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place claim him mobile
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in Kansas City have streets, schools,
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and scholarships in his name, but
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most people don't know that there was a third
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place that changed Sachel Page's life.
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In fact, if it wasn't for one woman,
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Cornelia Bowen of Tuskegee, Alabama,
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the great Sachel Page might never have
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been because he was on a
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trail to He's gonna either get end
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up being lands dead. This
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is Donald Spivey, an American historian
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and distinguished professor at University of Miami.
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He wrote the book If You Were Only White,
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The Life of Leroy Satchel Page
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was trouble youth in
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appollance of black people. He was hardheaded.
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He was just a difficult, difficult
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child, and back then, and
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particularly in the South, they would
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tell you go and fetch me a switch. He
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heard that so often that that could have
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been his other nickname rather than Satchell.
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He could have been go and fetch me a switch. That
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hardheadedness got young Satchel into trouble
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outside of the home too. By
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twelve, he was known in his neighborhood for stealing,
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and it's rumored that his nickname Satchel
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came from an incident where he was caught stealing
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a bag and he skipped school.
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Even back then, though Satchell could
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throw throw hard, he'd
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hunt with just a pile of rocks in
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mobile train tracks separated down
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the bay from the nearby white neighborhood,
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and sometimes young white boys and black
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boys would meet along the tracks to
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battle. They had
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a ongoing rock bottles
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with the Oakdale School, which was a white
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school across the railroad
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tracks, and white students threw rocks
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up and they threw rocks back
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at them, and this became the racial
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rock wars. One bottle
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got out of hand, page trying
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to hold off this forward
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coming mob of white started throwing
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rocks with bad intentions, and you know,
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with his ability to throw, he was hitting people
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in the head. And he's lucky he didn't lock
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somebody's eye out, and the white
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Yonsters luckily didn't complain
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to their parents about it. Community
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could have been wiped out down
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the bay, might have been spared, but Sachel's
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prowess with rocks and his reputation
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for sticky fingers soon caught the attention
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of Mobile's police chief Frank
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Crenshaw, a man whose peacekeeping
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philosophy included the belief
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that all black boys between seven and sixteen
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should be sent to a detention facility
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for any minor crime. He
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said as much in a letter he wrote to the founder
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of Tuskegee University, Booker T.
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Washington, about quote unquote
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the juvenile delinquents, Delinquents
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like Satchel Paige, who, on July twenty
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fourth, nineteen eighteen, at the age
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of twelve, was sent to the Alabama
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Reform School for Juvenile Negro
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lawbreakers in Mount Meg's, Alabama.
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He would be there for six years or
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until his eighteenth birthday, whichever
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came first. He thinks it's
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the worst day of his life,
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that he's being sentenced to school, he's
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being sentenced to prison, so
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he doesn't realize that in fact, this saved
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his life. What we know now
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is that the school, later known
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as the alabam An Industrial School for
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Negro Children, became a
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place where thousands of Alabama's
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black boys and girls were subjected
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to abuse and torture in the name
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of rehabilitation and reform.
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But at its inception, the school was something
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else, entirely a safe
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haven for black children who would
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have otherwise been thrown into adult prison.
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I'm Josie Duffie Rice, and this
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is Unreformed the story
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of the Alabama Industrial School
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for Negro Children. Episode
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three, Cornelia's Dream.
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Cornelia Bowen was the founder
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of Mount Megs. And in order
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to understand what Mount Meg's became, you
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have to understand how it started Cornelia's
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vision, and really
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you have to understand this strange, remarkable
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life. She lived a life that was
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only possible during that one narrow
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sliver of history as
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slavery ended in the reconstruction
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era began. Of myself
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and the war I have done, there is not a great
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deal to say. I was born
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at Tuskegee, Alabama.
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My mother lived the greater part of her life
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at this place as the slave of
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Colonel William Bowen. The
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birthplace of my mother was Baltimore,
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Maryland. She was taught to read
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by her master's daughter in Baltimore
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and was never forbidden to read by those
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who owned her in Alabama.
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That's Alabama born art historian
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and professor Alvia Wardlaw. You'll
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hear her reading Cornelia's words throughout this
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episode. Cornelia
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was born on the Bowen Plantation in
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Macon County, Alabama, just east
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of Montgomery. It's hard
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to know exactly when. Some say
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she was born in eighteen fifty eight, Others
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think that it was more like eighteen sixty four,
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and after going down a rabbit hole of census
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records, I'm inclined to agree. This,
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of course, is one of the casualties of
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being black during slavery and in
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the years after, records of
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your life were sparse and inconsistent. We
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don't know anything about Cornelia's father.
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Some think he must have been a slave owner, but
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there is really no way for us to know. But
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what we do know is that her mother,
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Sophia, was enslaved. Sophia
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worked as a seamstress in the home of her
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white slave owner, and later
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Cornelia recalled that her mother wasn't
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even allowed to talk to the people working
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in the fields. Another
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thing about Sophia she could read,
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and later, when her three daughters were young,
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she taught them to read too. On
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Sundays, with my sisters gathered about
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her knees, we would sit for
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hours listening as mother would
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read church hymns. These
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days were days of freedom, as
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I do not remember and know nothing of
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those of slavery. My mother
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always refrained from telling
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her children frightful stories
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of the awful sufferings of the slave
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days. So Cornelia
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was the child of an enslaved woman, and
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her life turned out drastically different
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than her mother's. In eighteen
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eighty one, the state appropriated two
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thousand dollars to start a black college in Macon
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County. A white state
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senator former Confederate, had
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pushed for the appropriation himself, hoping
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it would get him black votes. This
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was during the post Reconstruction period
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where black people had some voting rights
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before they were taken away again, and
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this was more evidence of what the right to
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vote meant, at least some political
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power, opportunity, and
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sometimes education. Booker
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T. Washington himself was the person tasked
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with building this new college in Macon County.
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He ended up purchasing the Bowen plantation
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where Cornelia was born, the same
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plantation where her mother was enslaved.
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On it, he built the institute now
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known as Tuskegee University and
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historically black university that is renowned
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to this day and in
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eighteen eighty five, Cornelia
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graduated with honors in Tuskegee's
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first graduating class. To
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my class that graduated in eighteen
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eighty five, the first one
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to graduate, we proudly boast
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three Peabody Medals were awarded
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for excellence in scholarship, and
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I was awarded one of the medals.
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Think for a second about how remarkable this
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is. Here was a black woman getting
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a college diploma on the very same
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land her own mother had been a slave.
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I don't know exactly what shaped Cornelia's
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outlook on the world. Of course, we missed
11:16
each other by about a hundred years. But
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in her records you can see the three main
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influences that shaped her politics
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and how she saw the world. The
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first was her education, and
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the second was her mentor, Booker
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T. Washington. Mister
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Washington himself took charge
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of our classes, and I have
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always been very proud that I
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can say that he was my
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teacher. If I have been
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of any service to my people, I
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owe it all to mister Washington, who
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impressed upon me those
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lessons which led me to want to
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spend myself in the helping of
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my people. Here's Booker
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T. In nineteen o eight, reading an
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excerpt of a speech he gave in eighteen
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ninety five. It was his most
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famous, called the Atlanta Compromise,
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and this is the only known audio recording
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of his voice. He did not train that
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in the first years of All New Life. He
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began at the top because of the fun it's
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hard to hear him, I know, not great sound
12:19
quality in the early nineteen hundreds, But
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what he's basically saying is that black people
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were too focused on political power and
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intellectual pursuits and not
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focused enough on earning money or
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learning a trade, or
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in his words, that the political convention
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or stump speaking had more attractions
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than starting a dairy farm or truck garden.
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Note that he's literally giving a speech
12:44
when he says that. It's
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a confusing thing to say when he only
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got his university because the local
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state senator needed black votes. But
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Booker t always had a shall we
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say, controversial perspective on
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how black people should function in a post
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slavery America where racism
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ran rampant and equality remained
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a pipe dream. He was essentially
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the father of respectability politics.
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He spent a lot of time focused on what black
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people were doing wrong. He liked
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to tell black people to work harder to get a hobby,
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and this perspective was a foundation on which
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Booker T's philosophy of industrial education
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was built. Part of the
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theory behind industrial education was respectability
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and an attempt to make black people indispensable.
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People like Cornelia and Booker T encourage
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black people to focus on trade work, and
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basically what that meant was that even
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though black folks had been freed from the practice
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of slavery, they should still arm
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themselves with similar skills that
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they practiced on the plantation. Cornelia
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was an early and avid supporter of Booker
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T. Washington's philosophy of industrial
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education, So in eighteen eighty
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eight, when Washington himself requested
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that Cornelia moved to wa to teach,
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she did it. Wa Waugh
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was this poor black community about fifteen
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miles outside of Montgomery. It
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was there that Cornelia founded her first school,
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the Colored Institute, almost
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twenty years before she founded Mount Meg's. Not
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one person in the whole community
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owned a foot of land, and
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heavy crop mortgages were the burden
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of every farmer. It
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became evident at once that pioneer
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work was very much needed, homes
14:33
were neglected, and the sacredness
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of family life was unknown
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to most of the people. While
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there, Cornelia began getting more involved
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with local women's clubs, the
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third thing that shaped her worldview. Cornelia
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never married, had no kids, which
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was unusual for the time, but she
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had a very, very full social
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life. She was part of seemingly
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endless organizations and in leadership
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positions of many of them. Most
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notably, she became president of the alab
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i am, a federation of Colored women's clubs,
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an exclusive organization for black
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women focused on service. Their
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slogan was lifting as we climb, but
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this idea that as you climb
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a ladder, even if you're at
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the top of the ladder, those folks who
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were at the bottom are still yours. They're
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still connected to you. That's doctor
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Denise Davis May, Chair and professor
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of social work at Alabama State University
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and an expert on these women's clubs. The
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women of the National Association
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of Colored Women's Clubs
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were typically
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second and third generation middle
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class women, even in the eighteen nineties.
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I think when we talk about the eighteen nineties
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and we talk about black women, particularly
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in the South, we envision
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share cropping. We envision women
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who are just out of enslavement
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and have a very particular image of what that
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might be. These women were
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educated. They attended
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some of the established at
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the time, not historically black colleges but
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now historically black colleges and universities.
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They were married to professionals
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in some of their rights. They were professional
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educators in theory.
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The Colored Institute was a school, but
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ultimately it was more than that. At
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just twenty three, Cornelia was sent to law
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to essentially fix the people
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there, their homes, their families,
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their perspectives, their lives. And
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she took this role very seriously. She
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went from house to house each week to make sure
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that they were clean. She inspected
16:44
children in the morning to make sure that they had neat
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hair and clean fingernails. She
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dealt with family disputes. She
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pushed the men to work and the women to
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stay home. I am
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pleased with the progress the people have made.
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Many now own their own homes,
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and eight and ten persons are no longer
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content to sleep in one room
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log cabins. I know
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what I'm saying when I state that sacred
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family ties are respected
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and appreciated as never before
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in this immediate region. Years
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later, in a newspaper interview, she stated
17:21
proudly that a large part of her success
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could be attributed to one particular tactic,
17:26
shaming people. There were
17:29
some class based issues
17:31
in terms of how they serve the community.
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That is definitely correct. As
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a black woman in Alabama, Cornelia was
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among the most disadvantaged demographic in
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the country, the bottom of
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the barrel. And yet
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among black women there
17:48
were differences. Some had
17:50
more power than others, and at
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the top of that list was Cornelia.
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Her work at the Colored Institute turned her into
18:01
somewhat of a celebrity. There
18:03
are all these articles from the late at hundreds
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of her traveling the country, giving speeches
18:08
and raising money and hobnobbing
18:10
with people whose names we know today, Harriet
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Tubman, Frederick Douglas, Ida
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B. Wells. There
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she is in eighteen ninety six, being
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named president of the National Federation of Afro
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American Women. In nineteen
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oh four at the World's Fair, traveling
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the country to speak in Boston and Chicago.
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In New York, giving speeches
18:31
to path rooms, she
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was the subject of a long fawning profile
18:36
in The Washington Post in nineteen oh five,
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framed as the good, classy Negro woman
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helping the poor ones. The
18:44
Montgomery Advertiser described her as
18:46
the Booker Washington among colored women.
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Cornelia was complicated. On
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one hand, she was responsible for so much
18:58
good At the Colored Institute
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and later at Mount Meg's. Cornelia provided
19:02
a level of attention, assistance,
19:04
and opportunity to so many Black people
19:07
when they never could have afforded otherwise. She
19:10
really did care about the community, and
19:13
still she looked down on them. Like
19:16
her mentor book or t Cornelia
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seemed to believe that true social
19:21
and legal equality was an arm's
19:23
reach of black people. All
19:25
we had to do was be a little better, a
19:27
little more useful, make a little
19:29
more money, work a little harder,
19:32
and white people might just come around.
19:36
In one speech, Cornelia told the audience,
19:39
we cannot be respected till we
19:41
learn to do something. White
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men will not respect you. I
19:46
would not respect you myself. And
19:48
unsurprisingly, Cornelia's
19:50
willingness to be critical of black people gained
19:53
the admiration of more than a few white
19:55
ones. After all,
19:57
Cornelia had the tendency to attribute
20:00
the black community struggles to their own failings
20:03
rather than persistent, systemic and justice
20:06
and centuries of slavery that had
20:08
ended just a few years prior, a
20:11
child of a slave basically preaching
20:13
about bootstraps. The
20:16
question is did Cornelia really believe
20:19
the stuff that she was saying publicly. I'm
20:22
inclined to believe that she did, But it's
20:24
also possible she was playing politics,
20:27
saying the things that white people wanted to hear
20:30
the only way she could get what she wanted
20:32
from the people who were really in power. So
20:35
these women understood the necessity
20:37
to work in community with the
20:40
women who had the ear of
20:43
people who were in charge. Right,
20:45
that's not very different than today. You
20:48
need to be able to establish relationships
20:51
with the folks who are sitting at the dinner table with
20:53
the man who signs the probate
20:56
for your land. Cornelia
20:59
has been running the Colored Institute for more than ten
21:01
years. When she gets interested in a new
21:03
project, she and
21:06
her club want to help build a juvenile
21:08
reformatory. When I
21:10
was researching Cornelia, there was one thing that kept
21:12
nagging at me. Here she was
21:14
president of her woman's club, principle
21:17
of a growing school, adored by the community,
21:20
and often outspokenly critical
21:23
of black youth. So why suddenly
21:25
start this school for quote unquote juvenile
21:27
delinquents. Then
21:30
I stumbled upon a document in old
21:32
files from the nineteen sixties, and
21:35
it began to answer this question. At
21:53
the turn of the twentieth century, four boys
21:55
are arrested in Birmingham accused
21:57
of breaking and entering. One of
21:59
them is just eleven years old. Now,
22:03
had they been white, they would have gone to the reformatory
22:06
for white boys, which had been created
22:08
after a white women's club champion the project.
22:11
But these four boys were black, which
22:13
meant that there was no place for them to go except
22:15
adult prison. This
22:18
is what inspires Cornelia's Club to build
22:20
a juvenile reformatory for black children.
22:22
Then the state of Alabama, black
22:25
youngsters as early as aged
22:27
ten ten years old had
22:30
been sentenced to male prisons,
22:33
and the women concluded
22:35
that if they were going to save an endangered
22:38
population, which was the young black
22:40
males, they needed to open a
22:43
reformatory where young black
22:45
males could be sent. By
22:47
the early nineteen hundreds, reform schools
22:49
were part of a growing movement across the United
22:52
States and the world, as progressives
22:54
began to talk about the concept of children
22:57
as a class of people in their own right. That's
23:00
significant because before the twentieth
23:02
century, there weren't many formal legal
23:04
distinctions between adults and miners,
23:07
and that persisted for black kids. Black
23:11
children in particular, were
23:13
typically treated just like adults. They
23:15
were sentenced just like adults, they were put
23:17
in the same prisons with adults, and
23:19
they were executed just like adults.
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That's Barry Feld, Professor
23:24
emeritus at the University of Minnesota
23:26
Law School. As the United
23:28
States at the end of the nineteenth century
23:30
was switching, shifting
23:33
from a primarily agricultural
23:35
economy to a more industrial
23:37
economy, and so the progressive reformers
23:40
had adopted a new conception
23:42
of childhood as vulnerable and innocent.
23:46
Well, at least some children were seen as vulnerable
23:48
and innocent, but not Black
23:50
kids, who study show society
23:53
has always perceived as older
23:55
and more adult than they are. So
23:58
Cornelia School was meant to fill
24:00
a long overlooked void in the care of
24:02
black Alabamian children. She
24:05
gave a statement to the local paper saying
24:08
that she and the members of the women's clubs
24:10
were building a school for so called juvenile
24:12
delinquents, or, as she
24:15
put it, the unfortunate
24:17
and floating young element of our race,
24:20
who, from lack of good home training,
24:22
find their way to jail penitentiaries
24:25
and convict minds. It
24:28
is conceded that children thrown among
24:31
hardened criminals are made
24:33
worse in character by unwholesome
24:35
environments, and in the end proved
24:38
themselves criminals rather than useful
24:40
citizens. Black
24:42
reformatories weren't necessarily popular,
24:45
but they had support across a white spectrum.
24:48
In nineteen o seven, my local paper, The
24:50
Atlanta Constitution, supported
24:52
a reformatory for black kids in the most
24:54
racist way possible. Quote.
24:57
The necessity for such a specific treatment
25:00
is even more powerfully applicable to the Negro
25:02
than to the white race. The
25:04
Negro youth is essentially racially
25:07
of a roving, irresponsible, impulsive,
25:09
susceptible temperament. The
25:12
race itself is but half child.
25:15
Cornelia and the club ladies raised two
25:18
thousand dollars on their own to build their own
25:20
school, and when they couldn't get
25:22
anyone to give them land, Cornelia already
25:24
had a solution. She
25:26
owned four hundred acres outside of Montgomery,
25:29
a feat for any black person, let
25:32
alone a black woman, and
25:34
she agreed to sell twenty acres to the club
25:36
for less money than she paid for it. On
25:42
August eighteenth, nineteen oh seven,
25:45
the Alabama Industrial School for
25:47
Negro Boys opened, but
25:50
there wasn't much press about it, at
25:52
least that I could find, except
25:54
in a magazine called The Colored American,
25:57
in an article called child Saving
25:59
in Alabama. The magazine
26:01
praised the school, and this
26:04
article has a picture of the school. It's
26:06
the only one we have from that era. In
26:09
it, you can see about twenty black boys
26:11
standing stoically in two rows,
26:14
their faces shadowed by the sun. Behind
26:17
them is a white house, the same
26:19
white building I saw when I went to Mount Megs,
26:22
And in front of them is a field of cotton.
26:30
The following year, Cornelia gave
26:32
a proud assessment at a conference at Tuskegee.
26:35
The school has twenty two boys
26:38
and no bolts or bars.
26:40
The boys work in the garden. Cornelia
26:44
saw the school as a place that gives black children
26:46
a chance at opportunity, a
26:48
much better and even life saving
26:50
alternative to prison. But
26:53
there was a problem money.
26:56
Despite the good things about Mount Megs,
26:58
even at the start, it was struggling financially.
27:02
Cornelia had a lot of money for a black woman
27:04
at the time, but again it's
27:06
all relative. She didn't have money
27:08
to keep an entire school afloat, and
27:10
while the clubs spent a lot of time raising
27:13
funds, it was simply not enough to keep
27:15
the school going. But
27:17
Cornelia was determined to keep Mount Mag's
27:20
open, So just three years
27:22
after the doors opened, Cornelia
27:24
began lobbying the state to take over Mount
27:27
Mag's. I besieged
27:29
every member of the legislature. It
27:32
was funny. I would send in from the
27:34
lobby for a member. Of course
27:36
he would not know, but what it was a
27:38
white woman asking for him, and
27:41
he would come out. Then he
27:43
would ask what I wanted, and I would
27:45
say, we have a bill prepared
27:48
to make an appropriation for a reformatory
27:50
for Negro children, and I
27:52
want you to vote for it. And
27:55
I wouldn't let him go until I
27:57
had his promise to vote for it
27:59
if it came up. This
28:01
was where Cornelia's connections came in
28:03
handy, especially her connections
28:06
to white people. She
28:08
lobbied judges, legislators, and
28:10
other prominent white men in the community to
28:13
support the state's takeover, and
28:15
not just privately but publicly, and
28:18
many of them did it. One
28:21
headline read juvenile Reformatory
28:23
at Mount Megs is endorsed by many
28:25
prominent white men. In
28:28
fact, the fact that Cornelia had connections
28:30
with powerful white people was the only reason
28:32
she was able to build Mount Megs at all. And
28:35
Alabama, even the most successful
28:37
black people needed white approval
28:39
to do almost anything. Even
28:42
with the money raised within the black community,
28:44
they still needed the support and approval
28:47
of the institutions beyond
28:50
the black community. In nineteen
28:52
eleven, the state of Alabama
28:55
officially took over Mount Megs. This
28:58
may have been the biggest mistake of Cornelia
29:00
Bowen's life. The
29:02
institution was able to stay alive,
29:06
but at an unimaginable cost, and
29:09
Mount Meg's was irreparably changed.
29:12
There's this quote from one of those white men who
29:14
supported the state takeover, a
29:17
quote that I think about a lot now. It
29:20
foreshadowed the future of the institution.
29:24
It says, I've always felt that when
29:26
you put a young boy in jail or in the
29:28
penitentiary for any length of time,
29:31
you went a long way toward killing a
29:33
human soul. Oh done
29:40
back on meds
29:47
all librate.
29:53
Cornelia, it seems, had only good intentions.
29:56
The school needed funding that she and her club
29:58
in her community couldn't sustainably provide.
30:01
But almost immediately after the state took
30:04
over, there were early side that the way
30:06
that they thought about the black kids in their care
30:08
was drastically different than Cornelia's outlook.
30:11
The first change, renaming
30:13
the school the Alabama
30:16
Industrial School for Negro Boys, would
30:18
now be called the Alabama Reform
30:21
School for Juvenile Negro
30:23
Lawbreakers. Cornelia
30:26
remained intimately involved with Mount Meg's
30:28
for years as a trustee until
30:31
she died in nineteen thirty four, but
30:33
the real power always remained with the
30:35
white male board members, men
30:38
with connections wealth and land,
30:41
men who saw Mount Meg's as a way to generate
30:43
money, not rehabilitate children.
30:46
And this is an important thing to note about
30:48
Mount Meg's. Sure, the state
30:50
agreed to take it over, but
30:52
that didn't mean they were going to fund it, not
30:55
sufficiently anyway, not
30:57
like they funded the white schools. We
30:59
mentioned this last episode. When
31:02
the white schools needed something, they'd
31:04
asked the state for money. But
31:07
when Mount Megs needed something schoolbooks,
31:10
medicine, teachers, working
31:13
toilets, clean water, the
31:16
state mostly expected them to pick enough cotton
31:18
to get it themselves. I
31:21
wondered if Cornelian knew what she was doing handing
31:23
the school over to the state of Alabama,
31:25
if she expected Mount Megs's fall to
31:27
be so swift, So to expect
31:30
that, as Miss Bowen and other
31:33
individuals begin to
31:35
retire out and transition out,
31:38
you now have the state system
31:40
responsible for the well being of these
31:42
children, and to expect
31:45
that they would do so respectfully
31:47
and in love. In Jim Crow,
31:49
Alabama is cotta insane
31:53
given the context of where
31:55
we're located, and how might
31:57
the women who made Mount Meg's possible have
32:00
felt about what this school became.
32:03
They created the
32:05
Mountain Meg's a formatory for colored
32:07
boys because they didn't trust anybody
32:10
else to do it, And I would
32:12
think that they would not be surprised.
32:15
I think they would be upset that
32:17
we allowed it to happen. I
32:20
think they would be upset that we allowed it to happen.
32:24
When I was reading or talking to people about their
32:26
personal experiences at Mount Meg's, I
32:29
had to keep reminding myself that it was a school,
32:31
because by the time Lonnie, Mary, Jenny,
32:34
and Johnny were all incarcerated there in
32:36
the nineteen sixties, Mount Meg's had become
32:38
something very different. What more
32:40
than one person called a slave camp.
32:43
But it hadn't always been like that, not
32:46
that bad. Even after
32:48
the school was handed over to the state, it
32:50
maintained some level of humanity, at
32:53
least at the beginning. So
32:58
let's go back to nineteen eighteen, when,
33:01
at the age of twelve, Satchel Page was
33:03
arrested and sentenced to six years
33:05
at Mount Meg's. The charge
33:08
boys, who at the time were exemplary
33:10
fellow students, were trusted
33:12
to transport him fifteen miles in a wagon
33:15
to Mount Meg's. Here's
33:19
author Donald Spivey again he
33:21
sees the plays. It
33:23
is clear that this is
33:26
not what he thought it
33:28
would be. He was looking for some plays, probably
33:30
with bars and all
33:32
of that sort of right, and
33:35
there were no bars,
33:38
no bars, no cells. Instead,
33:42
Satchel found a meal, clothes
33:44
and a pair of shoes waiting for him, hand
33:47
me downs that to him looked brand new.
33:50
The boys had to adhere to a strict routine
33:53
sunrise, wake up, morning, prayer, breakfast,
33:56
and then chores like feeding the livestock
33:59
or mending the buildings, or cleaning the schoolroom
34:01
or harvesting the crops. The
34:03
rest of the time, the boys works affected to
34:06
be in the schoolroom, learning arithmetic,
34:08
reading and writing a classic
34:10
book, or t industrial education. This
34:13
model actually worked in the case
34:15
of Satchell Page. Perhaps
34:18
that's because during Satchell's time there, Cornelia
34:20
Bowen's influence still permeated the school.
34:24
She didn't run the school anymore, but she remained
34:26
on the board and was still closely involved,
34:28
and Satchell became one of Cornelia's favorite
34:31
students. Good behavior
34:33
earned Satchel the privilege of joining the Mount
34:35
Meg's baseball team, a group
34:38
of boys with a special place in Cornelia's
34:40
heart. She's the one who
34:42
believes that baseball sports
34:44
can be a reclamation project,
34:47
so this is a reward for
34:50
the boys, but it's also a teaching
34:52
tool to get them to understand
34:54
sportsmanship, to understand
34:57
working together, and
34:59
it's a process that she uses
35:01
quite effectively. Satchel Page,
35:04
the legendary Picture, learned
35:06
how to play baseball at Mount Meg's.
35:12
Playing baseball open Satchel's world.
35:15
The team traveled to play games sometimes,
35:17
and there were big picnics where Mount Meg's students
35:19
and the surrounding community would come out to
35:22
cheer them on. And
35:25
when Satchel left Mount Meg's five years later,
35:29
the story is that he had been transformed
35:31
for the better. And he came
35:33
out with a nice pair of shoes and
35:36
clothes. And I forget how much they gave you
35:38
back, Dan a couple of dollars. And
35:40
it knew how to pitch, he said, If
35:43
training five years of my life to learn how
35:45
to pitch like this, it was well
35:47
worth it. The year Satchel
35:49
arrives, Mount Meg's seems to be a
35:51
success story. The
35:53
reformatory is doing splendid work, said
35:56
one nineteen eighteen article. Substantial
35:59
improvement has been made, said another. Cornelia
36:02
in the club are thinking of starting a school
36:05
just like for girls. But
36:08
in the end there were so few Satchel
36:10
pages, it seems
36:12
way likelier that most of the kids
36:14
were Lonnies and Jennies and Johnnies
36:17
and Mary's. By nineteen
36:19
twenty, everything at Mount Meg's was being rationed,
36:22
from the tools to the food, and
36:24
even with money from the state, the
36:26
Federation of Women still had to fundraise
36:29
to cover infrastructure and faculty
36:31
salaries. Farming,
36:33
which was once just part of the industrial education
36:36
model, quickly became the school's
36:38
primary source of income. That
36:41
made the boy's labor essential to keeping
36:43
the school in operation. In
36:45
nineteen twenty, the governor of Alabama wrote
36:47
to the school informing them that he
36:49
was prepared to parole some of the boys. The
36:52
school's assistant superintendent, JR.
36:55
Wingfield responded, discouraging
36:57
the governor from releasing five of the boys
37:00
because he needed them to operate the machinery.
37:03
He wrote, I would like for the Governor to
37:05
withhold his actions until we can train
37:07
a boy to take each of these places.
37:10
I hope that you will understand my position clearly.
37:13
I do not object to parolling the boys.
37:16
They might wait just a little while till we can
37:18
get their places filled, rather than
37:20
disarrange and inconvenience everything.
37:24
This was what Mount Meg's became, a labor
37:26
camp for black children and yet
37:29
another way for black work to generate
37:31
white money. The state told
37:33
students they were there for their own improvement,
37:36
but it was glaringly clear that they were there
37:38
for the benefit of Alabama. With
37:41
the state's dependence on the unpaid labor
37:43
of its black child prisoners, Mount
37:46
Meg's mission shifted from rehabilitating
37:48
its words to exploiting them.
37:52
But the violence at Mount Meg's was often met
37:54
with resistance. Starting
37:56
even in Sachil Pages Day notices
37:58
started appearing in the local newspapers,
38:01
ratcheting up through the fifties and sixties.
38:04
They said things like six armed
38:06
Negroes escaped Mount Meg's Industrial
38:08
School, or police seeking escape
38:10
artist in Burglary running
38:13
away was a regular part of the Mount Meg's
38:15
experience. On
38:17
the next episode of Unreformed, we hear
38:19
about these escapes and we look
38:21
at one in particular and its harrowing
38:24
consequences. Unreformed,
38:30
The Story of the Alabama Industrial School for
38:32
Negro Children is a production of School
38:34
of Humans and iHeartMedia. This episode
38:37
was written by me Josie Deffie, Rice and Taylor
38:39
von Leslie. Our script supervisors
38:41
Florence Burrow Adams, and our producer is Gabby Watts,
38:43
who had additional writing and production support from
38:46
Sherry Scott. Executive producers of
38:48
Virginia Prescott, Elsie Crowley, Brandon Barr,
38:50
Matt Arnette and Knee. Sound design
38:52
and mixes by Jesse Niswanger. Music
38:54
is by Ben Soli. Additional recordings
38:56
our courtesy of the Alabama Center for Traditional
38:58
Culture. The song featured in this episode
39:00
is Jesus My Only Friend by Mary le Bandolf.
39:03
Cornelia Bowen was voiced by ALBI Award Special
39:06
Things to the Alabima Department of Archives and History,
39:08
Michael Harriet, Floyd Hall, Kevin Nutt, Van
39:10
Newkirk, and all of the survivors of Mount Meg's
39:13
willing to share their stories. If
39:15
you are someone you know attendant Mount Megs and would like to be
39:17
in contact, please email Mountmegs Podcast
39:20
at gmail dot com. That's Mt M
39:22
e i G S Podcast at gmail
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dot com.
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