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Hey listeners is Vanessa! I'm so

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excited to tell you about an

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incredible true crime podcast! The Just

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wrapped up It's latest season. The

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podcast is called Stolen and this

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season host Connie Walker travels to

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the Navajo Nation to investigate the

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case of to missing women. She

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even embeds with the police and

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family searching for them and in

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the process she uncovers ways in

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which these two women stories might

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be connected and why the line

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between missing and murdered is often

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so difficult to prove. We've been

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fascinated with this story and I know

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you'll obsess over this podcast as much

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as we have. Will share the first

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episode here. Now if you enjoy it,

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make sure to check out the entire

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Episode contains descriptions of violence

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please take care while listening.

1:00

Joanne be gay was trying to fall asleep.

1:03

It was the middle of the night on

1:05

June Fifteenth. Twenty Twenty One. She.

1:07

Was home alone in her small house in

1:09

a remote corner of the Navajo Nation. Suddenly.

1:13

Joanne was startled by a loud sound

1:15

coming from the front door. It.

1:18

Sounded like someone was trying to get in.

1:21

She ran to hide a moment

1:23

before hearing her door being kicked

1:25

open. Then.

1:29

A man walked into her house. Every

1:33

time a here this story I can

1:35

help put myself in Joanne shoes. This

1:38

is one of my worst fears. Being.

1:41

A woken in the middle of the night by

1:43

an intruder. Would. Happen

1:45

next Change to and life. And

1:47

the life of her family. Some.

1:50

Of the details are still a mystery,

1:52

but here's what I've been able to

1:54

piece together. joanne

1:57

was afraid she listened in

1:59

the darkness as the man walked

2:01

through her kitchen and started rummaging

2:04

through her cupboards. She

2:07

heard a soda can crack open and

2:09

the man take a long sip. After

2:12

he finished it, he twisted the cap off a

2:15

bottle of Gatorade and drank that too. Joanne

2:19

was hiding in her room, terrified

2:21

the man would find her. I

2:24

don't know how long she hid, but

2:27

eventually she heard him walk out

2:29

of the door he'd kicked open. When

2:33

she felt it was safe, she looked out

2:35

her window. She could make

2:37

out a man's slight figure walking away.

2:42

Joanne reached for her phone and called the

2:44

police for help. She told

2:46

them about the intruder. And

2:49

then she waited and waited. An

2:56

hour later, Joanne was still waiting

2:59

when she heard a sound from the house next door

3:02

where her mother, Ella Mae Begay,

3:04

lived. It

3:07

was around 3.30 in the morning and

3:09

her mother's truck had just started up.

3:12

She watched it pull out of the yard, through

3:15

the metal gate, and off down the red

3:17

dirt road. Why

3:21

would her mom be leaving in the middle of the night?

3:27

Joanne called her mom's phone. There

3:30

was no answer. She texted.

3:32

Nothing. She

3:34

called the police again and 20 minutes

3:36

later they finally showed up. But

3:39

it was too late. Ella

3:42

Mae Begay was gone. It

3:45

was never seen again. I'm

3:51

Connie Walker. From

3:53

Spotify, this is Stolen.

3:56

Trouble in Sweetwater. What

4:12

hundred? come back. Home

4:18

of L A made the gave

4:20

her house is a long blue

4:23

wouldn't rectangle on a foundation of

4:25

cinder to sits atop a stretch

4:27

of dusty read earth in Sweetwater

4:29

Arizona. I came

4:32

here after hearing about enemies disappearance.

4:35

For nice Sarah seen Warren is showing

4:37

me around yes this is the speed

4:39

as the whole gone Her husband and

4:41

her son girl and her her son

4:44

in laws. they. Helped build this. This

4:47

is my first time on the Navajo Nation.

4:50

In. Even though it's in the middle of

4:52

the United States and surprised at how remote

4:54

it feel. The

4:56

Navajo Nation is home to the dentist

4:58

people and it's the largest reservation in

5:00

the country. It covers

5:02

most of the northeast corner of

5:04

Arizona in dips into New Mexico

5:06

and Youtube. For. Canadian.

5:08

The landscape here feels

5:10

almost other worldly. This.

5:13

Vast stretches of desert and red

5:15

rock the seem to unspool in

5:17

every direction. It's

5:19

beautiful How long did Elena live

5:21

here? On. Her

5:24

norm. Forty one more goal. For

5:27

her for your home. Is

5:30

the cricket sunny day in late October?

5:33

Twenty Twenty Two. Is

5:35

this points and Will may have been

5:37

missing for almost a year and a

5:39

half in this is where he disappeared.

5:41

From. Thirteen

5:43

points out a small house about fifty

5:46

yards. Away. Her

5:49

arm daughter lives in this full house or her.

5:54

Also so close. i

5:58

can see the window the land looked out

6:00

of when she saw her mom's

6:02

truck driving away in the middle of the night.

6:07

When there's trucks there, do you think that means

6:09

someone's there? No, there's nobody there. Stepping

6:13

onto LMA's property, it feels like

6:15

we could be stepping back in

6:17

time. Beside the house,

6:19

there's a rusty green pickup truck and

6:22

nearby, parked under a tree, is

6:25

a Chevy Impala convertible that looks

6:27

like it's from the 1960s. So

6:30

this is my auntie's classic car. I remember

6:34

her driving this before when we were younger. LMA

6:39

was 62 years old when she

6:41

went missing. She lived in Sweetwater her

6:44

whole life, but she

6:46

and other locals call this tiny community

6:48

by its Navajo name, Tohlakan.

6:52

LMA mostly spoke Navajo. English was

6:54

her second language. I've

6:57

seen a photo of LMA from the local trading

6:59

post. She's holding up

7:02

one of the pictorial rugs she

7:04

was known for, depicting traditional Navajo

7:06

life, farming, family, and

7:08

a desert landscape. I've

7:11

heard LMA was quiet and you can almost

7:13

see it in the photograph. She's

7:15

small, only five feet tall with

7:18

straight brown hair that grays a bit at her

7:20

temples. She's wearing a

7:22

pair of tinted glasses and not

7:25

looking directly into the camera lens. LMA's

7:28

family says she stayed close to home.

7:31

She only ever took one trip to

7:33

St. Louis when she was a kid

7:36

in an Indian boarding school. She

7:38

lived a quiet life under the

7:41

radar until she went missing.

7:44

Since then, she's become one of the

7:46

most high-profile cases of missing or murdered

7:49

Indigenous women in the US. Photos

7:52

of LMA have been shared thousands of

7:54

times on social media and

7:56

stories about her have been in People Magazine

7:58

and The New York Times. How

8:02

did one woman's disappearance from this

8:04

isolated community get so much attention?

8:07

It's in large part due to her niece, Serafine.

8:11

When I meet her at LMA's house,

8:13

she's wearing a hoodie with a red

8:15

handprint on it that says, Unite the

8:17

missing, justice for the murdered. I

8:21

have to be doing something for my aunt in order for

8:23

me to feel better. She's been doing

8:25

whatever she can to help bring attention to

8:27

LMA's case. She even

8:29

walked over 2,000 miles from

8:32

the Navajo Nation to Washington,

8:34

D.C. to raise awareness about

8:36

LMA. She went

8:38

through 15 pairs of sneakers. It

8:41

took her almost four months. This

8:43

is not just only for my aunt. This is for

8:45

me, my kids, my family that are still living in

8:47

justice. I've reported on

8:49

missing and murdered Indigenous people for years,

8:52

and LMA has gotten the level of attention I

8:55

almost never see. Not

8:57

just because of Serafine's efforts. I

9:00

think it's partly because, in general, there's

9:02

more attention being paid to stories about

9:04

Indigenous people. But I

9:06

also think it's because of who LMA is.

9:10

The first time I saw her missing

9:12

persons poster, I was immediately drawn

9:14

in because of her age,

9:17

her implicit vulnerability. I

9:20

look at her and see the elders in my

9:22

life who live alone in our communities. The

9:25

thought of someone coming to their door in the middle

9:27

of the night shook me. It

9:30

seemed almost unfathomable. The

9:32

mystery of her disappearance, the lack

9:35

of answers compelled me to come

9:37

here to try to find out

9:39

what happened to LMA Begay. Serafine

9:43

tells me there's a $5,000 reward

9:46

for information about LMA's case,

9:49

but she doesn't think it's going to make a difference. Money

9:52

is not going to get anybody to talk

9:54

here. No? No.

9:58

They probably do want the money. They just want money. to know

10:00

that there's not going to be a retaliation. I

10:04

think that there will be more leads coming in if

10:06

they had a lot of confidence in our police officers,

10:08

if they were to call in 15 minutes, they're here.

10:11

But they know three, four

10:13

hours, someone's be dead, and they

10:16

know, they know that's the reason why nobody's not coming forward.

10:19

It seems like Sarafine is saying that

10:21

even if someone here knows something that

10:23

could help solve Elime's case, they

10:25

might be afraid to say it. Sweetwater

10:28

is 45 minutes from the nearest

10:31

police station, and the night Elime

10:33

went missing, it took them an

10:35

hour and a half and two phone calls to

10:37

respond. Did you ever

10:39

talk to any neighbors over there or anything?

10:41

No, I think officers already had, but they

10:44

don't say anything. Some of

10:46

these guys probably heard or know something. And

10:49

Sarafine says there are other reasons why

10:51

people don't want to come forward. We

10:54

don't say anything because the inside of their

10:57

house is not a condition to have anybody

10:59

living in some of these houses, and they

11:01

don't want to be questioned. So just to

11:03

save them from more questioning, they're not

11:05

going to talk to you. They're

11:07

just going to open the door a little bit and be like, we don't

11:10

know anything. I

11:12

remember at the start of the pandemic,

11:14

reading about how hard the Navajo Nation

11:16

was hit by COVID. The

11:18

high death toll was in part due to

11:20

the lack of infrastructure. Basic

11:22

things many of us take for granted are

11:25

not a given here. One

11:27

in three people living on the Navajo

11:29

Nation don't have indoor plumbing. I

11:32

can see power lines in the distance, but

11:34

they don't reach Elime's house. Sarafine

11:37

tells me that Elime lived here

11:39

without running water or electricity for

11:41

40 years. She

11:44

had just installed the solar panel months

11:46

before she went missing. I

11:48

grew up using an oil lamp. We had

11:51

one oil lamp, I think we used

11:53

to fight over it. My

11:55

mom's weaving or my homework. You

11:57

know, we got to make a decision. more

12:00

important. Gerald Begay is the

12:02

oldest of LMA's three kids. He

12:05

lives in Denver now. Do you remember when

12:07

you found out your mom was missing? You know

12:09

my first instinct is, what do you

12:12

mean she's missing? She doesn't just go

12:14

missing, she just doesn't go leave and

12:16

not say anything. Gerald remembers

12:18

the last time he talked to

12:21

his mom, just three days before

12:23

she disappeared. That Saturday I talked to

12:25

her. Saturday night, just

12:27

like a normal conversations we've

12:30

had before, asking about

12:32

the kids, you know, about the weather,

12:34

how it is up here versus down

12:36

there. You know, she

12:38

seemed fine. After her

12:40

husband died and her children moved out, LMA

12:44

lived here alone. Did

12:46

your mom feel safe by

12:48

herself at home? I

12:52

don't think she felt safe in the

12:54

house, honestly, because she has

12:56

a security door installed

13:00

and then on the inside of the house

13:03

she has this board. It's like a three-quarter

13:06

inch plywood or particle board

13:08

that she slides in

13:10

front of the door after the

13:13

door is locked. So

13:15

that just tells me that I don't think

13:17

she felt safe because that's

13:20

barricading herself in the

13:22

home. His mom put plywood

13:24

in front of her door at night. We've

13:26

heard that she wouldn't drive after dark, that

13:29

she slept with pepper spray by her bed.

13:32

She was careful and aware. This

13:34

is not just some person that

13:36

was out there asking for trouble

13:38

or making trouble, you know. When

13:41

he got the call that his mom was missing, Gerald

13:44

got in his car and drove to Sweetwater.

13:46

I got there Wednesday morning.

13:48

He says that almost immediately he was

13:51

concerned with the way police were

13:53

handling the investigation. I

13:56

pulled them aside, we talked, they updated me

13:58

what was going on. and stuff. The

14:01

Navajo police are the largest tribal

14:03

police force in North America. They

14:06

have jurisdiction over the entire Navajo

14:09

Nation, all 27,000 square miles.

14:13

Sweetwater, where Ella Mae lives, is in

14:15

the Shiprock District and their

14:18

officers responded to the call about

14:20

her disappearance. And I

14:22

was frustrated and mad at the same time because

14:25

when I learned that the two

14:27

officers that showed up leaving

14:29

the scene without making contact, a phone

14:32

call, a pickup truck, or my mom,

14:34

that pissed me off. When

14:36

two Navajo Nation police officers responded

14:38

that night, it wasn't

14:41

immediately clear to them that Ella Mae

14:43

was missing or that a crime

14:45

had been committed. So Gerald says

14:47

they didn't stay for long, but

14:50

he wonders if they had, would things have been

14:52

different? You know, if they could

14:54

have stuck around for an extra hour

14:56

or two, the sun could have came

14:58

up, you know, they should have taped

15:00

that off, locked the door, or have

15:02

an officer on site that could have

15:04

potentially helped solve something. But

15:07

no. Police

15:09

didn't return until later that morning after

15:12

her family called them again. They

15:15

had gone into Ella Mae's house and saw

15:17

that her purse and wallet had been left

15:19

behind. This is

15:21

when the search for Ella Mae truly began,

15:24

seven hours after her truck drove off

15:26

in the middle of the night. Her

15:30

family believes crucial time was lost

15:32

that set back the investigation and

15:35

strained their relationship with the police from

15:37

the very start. You know, that's why

15:39

to this day I can't stand Sherbrooke

15:41

Police Department. As

15:45

news about Ella Mae's disappearance began

15:47

to spread, the picture of

15:49

what may have happened to her became

15:52

clearer and clearer. Because

15:56

of their mistrust of police, the

15:58

day after Ella Mae went misty, her

16:00

family started trying to piece things together on

16:02

their own, beginning with

16:05

a break-in at Joanne's house. And

16:09

so what did she say happened that night? She said

16:11

she was trying to go to sleep, she woke up,

16:13

and then her door got kicked open.

16:16

I've asked Sarah Feene about this because Joanne

16:18

didn't want to be interviewed. She

16:21

said she'd been struggling with what happened to her

16:23

mom, and it was too difficult to talk about.

16:27

Joanne told the family she didn't know who broke

16:29

into her house. The

16:31

first clue they got about who it might

16:33

be was from Elime's

16:35

sister, Cecilia Curley, and her

16:38

boyfriend, Leonard Toltz. They

16:40

were all gathered at Elime's house when

16:43

Leonard said something about his son

16:45

Preston that surprised them. When

16:48

they came by, his dad, Preston's dad,

16:50

said in Navajo that it better

16:52

not be Preston, and we're like, who's Preston? Preston

16:55

Toltz is Leonard's 22-year-old son. He

16:59

was new to Sweetwater. Most of

17:01

Elime's family had never even heard of him.

17:04

Leonard told them that Preston had come

17:06

to stay with him and Cecilia just

17:08

a couple of weeks earlier. And

17:11

that's when Gerald was like, well, where is he? Where

17:14

is he? What happened? Because

17:16

he was nowhere to be found. So at

17:18

that point, were you already suspecting Preston? No. No.

17:22

We didn't really suspect it was Preston. We were

17:24

just trying to find him. Leonard

17:26

and Cecilia said the last time

17:29

they had seen Preston was a

17:31

few hours before Elime disappeared. They

17:34

had gone with Preston to do laundry in town.

17:37

They said Preston was drinking, and

17:39

on the drive home, he started fighting

17:41

with his dad. When

17:44

it turned physical, they kicked Preston

17:46

out of the vehicle and left him. When

17:52

I first traveled to Sweetwater, I got lost on the way. A

17:55

maze of unmarked dirt roads lead to Elime's

17:57

home. But

18:01

you kind of have to know where you're going. The

18:04

odds that someone would just happen upon it

18:06

seem low. Leonard

18:08

and Cecilia said they left Preston on

18:10

the side of the road at night,

18:13

about 11 miles from LMA's house.

18:16

If he was new to the area, how

18:18

could he have ended up there? Preston's

18:22

dad is a handyman type of

18:24

guy, supposedly. So him

18:26

and his dad had fixed or

18:29

repaired the door on my mom's

18:31

house. This was two weeks

18:33

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18:35

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20:00

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20:03

His face is young. His

20:05

dark hair is tucked under a backwards baseball

20:07

cap and he's wearing an

20:09

unzipped blue hoodie and is shirtless underneath,

20:12

like he's trying to show off his stomach. He

20:15

has kind of a goofy expression on his face.

20:18

It's hard to square this image with what

20:20

I learned when I looked up his criminal

20:23

record. Preston has

20:25

been arrested more than a dozen times and

20:27

has been in and out of jail for

20:29

most of his adult life. He's

20:32

been charged with burglary, aggravated

20:34

battery, damaging property

20:36

and assault. In

20:39

the days following LMA's disappearance, police

20:42

conducted interviews and started receiving

20:45

reports that Preston had been

20:47

seen driving her truck. Good

20:50

evening, it's day four of the search

20:52

for a missing elderly Navajo woman. Police

20:54

have now identified a person of interest

20:56

in the disappearance of 62-year-old Ella May

20:58

Begay, who tonight is being held in

21:00

Preston. Two days after

21:02

Ella May went missing, Preston

21:04

was named a person of interest in

21:06

her disappearance. And

21:09

later that same day, Navajo

21:11

police arrested Preston, not

21:14

for anything related to Ella May, but

21:16

for violating his probation. In

21:21

missing persons cases, every day, every

21:23

hour, every minute counts in

21:26

trying to find that person alive. With

21:29

Preston in custody, Ella

21:31

May's family was hopeful that they could find

21:33

her before it was too late. Let's

21:39

go this way first and I'll take you out that way.

21:42

Okay. This is Sweetwater. This

21:46

whole area is of... Yeah, Navajo. Oh, okay.

21:49

Okay. After

21:51

visiting Ella May's house, Sarafine took me

21:53

on a tour of Sweetwater. When

21:56

Ella May's truck left her house the night she

21:58

disappeared, it would have been a long time traveled

22:00

on one of these dirt roads. We

22:04

searched the pole area. We

22:07

just searched again, but we didn't find it. There

22:10

have been points out the window. There

22:12

isn't much out here, except for

22:15

some wild horses grazing on whatever they can find

22:17

in the dust. There

22:19

are mountains in the distance, but all

22:21

around us is open desert. Where

22:23

do you think if there was a crime that happened,

22:25

where do you think it occurred? I

22:28

would say it's alongside the road. A

22:30

crime happened, and then to

22:33

get rid of somebody, evidence or

22:35

something, or somebody, it probably would be further

22:37

from where it happened. I'm

22:41

not in her house. After

22:45

Preston was arrested, LMA's

22:47

family waited for news from police, but

22:50

they also kept looking for her. We

22:53

did a search on this whole road, and then

22:55

through the canyon, so that's our site.

22:58

It was summer, and on some days, the

23:00

temperatures soared to over 100 degrees. They

23:04

never found LMA, but

23:06

Sarafin says they did find something that

23:09

they thought could be related to her

23:11

disappearance. East

23:14

of where my auntie lives, close to

23:16

that little peak mountain. Sarafin

23:19

points out a small mountain in the distance,

23:22

way out there. They came across

23:24

a towel. Sarafin

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says she and the other searchers

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focused heavily on this area, because

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police told her that's where they

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were looking after talking

23:58

to Preston. All

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the investigator told me was that he

24:03

dropped my auntie off over

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here in this little area on the side. Did

24:08

police ever tell you where they think the

24:10

truck ended up? Well,

24:12

when they, Flana is asking, criminal

24:14

investigator, he said

24:17

that he got

24:19

rid of it in Albuquerque is what he said

24:21

Preston was told them, I guess. That's

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not all Preston told them. I

24:27

would find out that police had more

24:29

evidence pointing to Preston than the family

24:32

even realized, and they had

24:34

it soon after LMA disappeared. Police

24:39

found Preston's clothes, a shirt, pants,

24:41

and underwear, all with blood on

24:43

them. In an interview

24:45

with law enforcement, Preston said

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he was with LMA that night, that

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he drove with her in her truck. He

24:53

said they had had a fight and that he

24:55

snapped. He told them

24:57

he lost control and hit LMA

24:59

multiple times in the face and

25:02

that he dropped her off on the side of the road somewhere

25:05

in Sweetwater. He

25:07

said she appeared to be unconscious and

25:10

that he might have hit her harder than he intended. Ultimately,

25:15

Preston said that LMA was

25:18

probably dead when he left her. Despite

25:23

all of this, Preston

25:25

wasn't charged in LMA's disappearance.

25:29

All they tell us is it's a continued ongoing

25:31

investigation and we can't announce anything to

25:34

the public. I think that's just a

25:36

damn excuse that they follow and they

25:38

don't do nothing. I

25:43

came here hoping to find out what

25:45

happened to LMA Begay, but

25:47

now I also want to know what's happened

25:50

with her case. Why

25:52

did it take police so long to

25:54

respond the night LMA went missing? And

25:57

why is her disappearance still unsolved?

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with everything that Preston told

26:02

investigators. This

26:05

season on Stolen, Trouble in

26:07

Sweetwater. The Preston's

26:09

walking on the rug over there and see if

26:11

we can get some answers from him. We have

26:13

Preston with us. He also said

26:15

he feels sorry about what happened and he

26:17

wants to try to help find her. Investigating

26:21

LMA's disappearance leads

26:23

me to a tangled web of

26:26

violence and retaliation across

26:28

generations. People

26:30

go missing over there all the time

26:33

and the cops are

26:35

not doing nothing about it. Where people

26:37

feel the only way to get justice

26:40

is to take matters into their own hands.

26:42

We ended up in a pursuit following him

26:44

and at this point I just hear who

26:48

I'm with in the vehicle and say, don't lose

26:50

him. Families were like, I know

26:52

who did it and I could easily go

26:54

over there and just get rid of him. Around

26:56

here the aunties get shit done. We

26:58

go places where people don't want to

27:00

go. You could tell it was a

27:03

human skull. People know you

27:06

can get away with murder out there. Stolen,

27:15

Trouble in Sweetwater is a Spotify

27:17

original production. The show

27:19

is hosted and reported by me, Connie Walker.

27:22

Reporting and producing by Ellen

27:24

Frankman, Max Green and Anya

27:26

Schult. Our supervising

27:28

producers are Ellen Frankman and Max

27:30

Green. Additional reporting and

27:32

production by Chantal Bel Richard, Audrey

27:35

Quinn and Kat Shucnett. Our

27:39

reporting was supported by the International

27:41

Women's Media Foundation's Fund for Indigenous

27:43

Journalists reporting on

27:46

missing and murdered indigenous women,

27:48

girls, two-spirit and transgender people.

27:52

Our editor is Audrey Quinn. Our

27:55

consulting editor is Heather Evans. Additional

27:58

editorial support from Nailah. Naomi Barr,

28:01

Laurie Siegel, and Lauren Silverman. Special

28:04

thanks to Dr. Sunny Klotjes-Chiligy, fact-checking

28:07

by Naomi Barr. Original

28:10

music by Hannes Brown, Connor Chee,

28:12

and Emma Munger. Scoring,

28:14

sound design, and mixing by Hannes

28:16

Brown. Legal support

28:18

from Brian Smith and Rachel Strom.

28:21

Rights and clearances by Jonah Delso

28:23

and Isabelle LaRue. If

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you or someone you know is dealing with

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physical or sexual violence, you

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can find resources in your

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area by going to spotify.com/stolen.

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