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Is that is that your assignment for

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tonight's Thursday night game? Is that is that what

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we're transitioning in Oh, no. Thursday

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night is gonna be exciting. We get

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1:47

you know, or Russell Cook.

1:50

mean, you could get cooked too. But if Russell if

1:52

Russell gets cooked tonight, there's

1:54

major problems. No. He'll he'll he'll ball

1:56

out. Yeah. I think he'll ball out. Now the rest of

1:58

the team, that'll be something different.

1:59

but I

2:00

think I think Russell Wilson a

2:02

ball out. I really do. You can't

2:04

lose

2:06

to the cults of the way the cults have

2:08

looked. considering

2:08

that they're not gonna have Jonathan Taylor. No.

2:10

The coats have been the coats have

2:13

been the

2:14

coats have been close. It's not

2:16

like they they just they've been close.

2:18

They haven't finished the deal. You know,

2:20

you say, well, the Texas oh, yeah. The

2:22

Texas the

2:23

Texas pretty good football. They make you fight.

2:26

They

2:26

go, you know, they gonna make you scrap and claw

2:28

and do all those things.

2:31

The coats are close. They just haven't

2:33

cashed in yet.

2:34

where is if you look at Denver's

2:37

victories in their wins,

2:39

you're like, nothing really impressive.

2:41

I mean, you know, but I

2:43

think Russell will have a good game tonight. I'm

2:45

much rather I'm much rather be the Bronco's than be

2:47

the Colx Max. I mean, to be honest, like,

2:49

even though the the Bronco's he's saying, it doesn't

2:51

look right. you

2:53

could sit there and make the case, well, it hasn't looked

2:55

right, but look the position at the range. looks like a

2:57

decent position. And the colds, I'm sitting here looking

2:59

at look when you had two games left

3:01

in regular season last year key to make the playoffs,

3:03

and FBI is giving you a ninety percent

3:05

chance to make the playoffs. and

3:08

you fought down the stretch the way they didn't.

3:10

All I hear this entire off season from

3:12

Nasdaq Frank Wright is we finally have the

3:14

right guy in. All of our starters are

3:16

playing in preseason. you know, this rah

3:18

rah rah. This is the year for us. And

3:20

the way it hasn't been close. They were they

3:22

thought something is shut out to the jights. I mean,

3:24

to the jights. here's

3:26

the difference between the two teams. One has a

3:28

quarterback. One doesn't. That's it. I mean, like, whatever you

3:30

think about Russell Wilson. He's He's he's out

3:32

whenever. Russell Wilson's a quarterback. If you have

3:34

him, you're not looking. Right? Matt Ryan,

3:37

you're hoping, can he still be? Dah dah

3:39

dah. And you're probably Matt Ryan, I pray

3:41

good last week, man. Key, are they looking for

3:43

the quarterback in Indianapolis or they're

3:45

looking for Well, he's not their long term. Yeah.

3:47

He didn't know. He's Matt Matt has been playing

3:49

a thousand years, man. He got, like, one,

3:51

maybe, two years left. And then he's

3:53

gonna he's gonna go hang out with the kids. And maybe

3:55

not as a starter anymore. Like, we gotta see

3:57

what happens. No. He's not he's gonna always be

3:59

a starter. It's always in the NFL. Right. He's

4:01

not gonna take a backup. He's not gonna take a backup. Right?

4:04

So so it'll be some quarterback needy team,

4:06

oh, maybe it can work in the right situation to point.

4:08

I don't think he goes to another team other than ended

4:10

up with COGS. If it if it goes bad

4:12

for India, I think he retires. Okay.

4:14

One dude was traded for multiple

4:17

firsts, all

4:18

kinds of stuff given a huge

4:20

contract The other dude was traded for a third round

4:22

pick. Yeah. That's okay, Max. He

4:24

he got off to a slow start. Like I said,

4:26

he played good last week. Matt

4:28

Plague. Do you think that the cults have a quarterback

4:30

in reception in a really bad fumble, man. That

4:32

led

4:32

to a TD? Do you think they have a quarterback? Like,

4:35

if you could check the boxes of teams

4:37

what they have, what they need. I would check

4:39

the box for the bronchos. They have a quarterback. I

4:41

would not check it for the colds. I would say that I

4:43

need a quarterback. he

4:44

needs to play better. Let's just say that.

4:46

He certainly needs to play better. He hasn't

4:48

played well. There's a lot of fumbles, you

4:50

know, he's got a

4:52

lot of fun was holding on to the ball.

4:54

He certainly needs to play better.

4:56

Last week, he played okay. He wasn't

4:59

he wasn't got off a bat to the point

5:01

where he was like, oh man, get bench this

5:03

guy.

5:03

Wouldn't like that? The third round pick told me, like,

5:05

I thought he looked pretty good. Like, he looked okay last

5:07

year, Matt Ryan, And when I saw he went

5:09

for a third round pick on this Justin, two

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PM Eastern ESPN, handsome moments. I

5:13

asked all the football, you know, the tan around

5:15

everyone is really a third round

5:17

pick from Matt Ryan. He's still playing well enough

5:19

that he should go for a lot more than that, I think, and

5:21

they're like, not really. So the

5:23

league was telling you some the way the evaluators

5:26

were watching very closely and

5:28

watching everything that Ryan does, that

5:30

that sent a message to me. Yeah. He's

5:32

not a top you know,

5:33

tie your quarterback? Not at

5:36

all. No. There's no no question about

5:38

it. If he can protect the football and not turn

5:40

the ball over, I think he's

5:42

serviceable if they can get John at the tailor back

5:44

and run the football in that defense

5:46

and Michael Pittman could keep coming along and those

5:48

young receivers. I think they'll be

5:50

okay. They're one shoe in one, man.

5:52

Right. They they that that one tie

5:54

is better than a loss. That's for Dan

5:56

Stewart. I think tonight's opportunity for

5:58

the demo brockles and

5:59

that defense is a massive one. Right?

6:02

because you saw the way Tennessee's

6:04

defense in the second half versus the colds really

6:06

tightened up start sucking Matt Ryan.

6:08

They made life uncomfortable for him. And

6:10

there's been questions not only around,

6:12

obviously, Russell Wilson and, you

6:14

know, first year head coach Nathaniel

6:16

Hackett, and a lot of miscommunication,

6:18

but there's also been a lot of question around that front

6:20

seven defensively. And can they get the

6:22

pass for us down in a controlled, this is their opportunity

6:24

to get back on the right tonight. Well, it Gregory

6:26

is not in the lineup. So they passed Russia ain't

6:28

gonna be what it what they thought it was gonna be

6:30

at Gregory and Chuck combined. You

6:32

thought it was gonna be Vaughn Miller. into

6:34

Marcus Wehr. And it hasn't worked

6:36

out that way in the first four games.

6:39

Guys,

6:39

how many how many surefire good

6:41

teams are there? the NFL. I mean, intrinsically

6:44

good. Not, you know, like, when you go in a Super Bowl.

6:46

Like, we all know the bills are a good team. I

6:48

don't care how they lost. They didn't look whatever,

6:50

the bills are really good, fundamentally, intrinsically.

6:53

They they are a good team. How

6:55

many of your teams are like that, Keith, where you could

6:57

look at them and say, yep, that's a good

6:59

team. bills are, by the way, the betting favorites,

7:01

four to one to win the whole thing. You know, III

7:03

got ten to twelve. Mhmm.

7:06

Right?

7:06

It's so early. in this

7:08

this portion of the first quarter of the season,

7:10

I probably got ten to twelve. Like, oh, they're a

7:12

good football team, but there's so many

7:14

things. Like, they're type of big buccaneers, for

7:16

instance. Yeah. They're good football team, man.

7:18

Right. Exactly. But they don't you know, they got, like,

7:20

one player here, another player here.

7:23

This dude hurt one day. it everybody

7:25

gotta get together. Once everybody gets together,

7:28

then

7:28

you'll see something totally different. You go down

7:30

the list and you tell me good or not. Okay?

7:32

Ready to just rattle off the names, guys. Dolphins,

7:34

are they a good football team k? Yeah.

7:36

Yes. Bills. Yes. Yeah.

7:39

Jets? No. No.

7:42

Patriot No. I

7:43

agree. No. I

7:44

don't think so.

7:46

Still early. Well, no. No. Also, guys, let's

7:48

say surefire. Remember the question is, we go fight

7:51

back they're good. Right? Okay. So back

7:53

up. Okay. No dolphins or no on dolphins?

7:55

They're not sure fire? Not sure

7:57

fire. Okay. So bills are the only ones so

7:59

far. Wait. One out of the AFC. east.

8:01

Okay. I mean, with with Tula? You say

8:03

two, Keith says one.

8:05

Cheese. I say one. Chiefs.

8:07

Surefire. Chargers.

8:10

No.

8:12

I say yes, but they're but they're

8:14

they're they're missing it up. He too, really. But

8:16

I got the Bronco's. No.

8:19

No. raiders.

8:20

No. No.

8:21

Brown's. See,

8:22

I don't even know what that is because he's

8:24

got one or two so far. Good. And

8:27

I don't know what the browns are. So I would

8:29

say no right now. I mean, I like their core though,

8:31

key. I mean, there's a combination of lots of coming back.

8:33

Well, you can't can you say surefire, good

8:35

team? Yeah. I can't say surefire because Deshaun is

8:37

not gonna play a lot of this season. Yep. With it.

8:39

Alright. I know that you say, yes. That's

8:41

okay. You could have your own miles carrier. I'll

8:43

just Baltimore. Brent.

8:46

Yes. Yep. As long as Lamar

8:48

Jackson's playing, they're good to me. Dangles.

8:50

I'm saying -- Yes. -- yes.

8:52

-- yes. Steelers.

8:54

No.

8:55

Jags. No. No.

8:58

Titans. No. No. Coats. No.

9:00

No. Texans. No.

9:02

So so basically, can you got Bengals,

9:05

one, Raven's, there's

9:07

another one. Chiefs three bills for you. You

9:09

got four surefire good

9:11

teams out of the NFL, out of the

9:13

AFC. Now they're they're it's not distributed

9:15

one in each division, but it's

9:17

an average of one per division that you

9:19

have. What about the NFL Eagles?

9:22

Yes. Yes. Cowboys.

9:24

Yes. Now we're up to six

9:26

giants. Stop. No.

9:28

Commanders. Stop them, please.

9:30

Nineers. Yes. Seven

9:33

Rams.

9:33

Yes.

9:34

agreed eight cardinals. No.

9:37

Seahawks. No.

9:39

Surefire? No. No. Yeah. I would say right. I

9:41

hear the hesitation, but you can't say

9:43

surefire. You may to spec. Right? Okay.

9:45

We're still up to six. Vikings.

9:48

No. Yeah.

9:49

the Borderline,

9:50

but I agree not sure fire to

9:52

me. Okay. Surefire, you need a

9:54

quarterback, man. You need that dude, that

9:56

quarterback. All I know is I watched the Vikings

9:58

against the Eagle.

9:59

And that day, I can't do nothing our cousins, and I

10:02

watch them against and I watch them against the

10:04

packers. If they catch the football, it gets the

10:06

packers in week one, the packers win the game. But if

10:08

it struck Watch them against the Saints. I mean,

10:10

the game begins saints. So she barely

10:12

one eye can go. And the saints too would've

10:14

would've would've half the team hurt

10:15

packers.

10:17

Yeah. Right?

10:18

Bears. No.

10:19

No. Lions. No.

10:21

No. So key, you're up to seven surefire

10:24

good teams. Fox. Yes.

10:26

Eight falcons. No. No.

10:29

Panthers. No. Saints.

10:31

No.

10:32

No. Eight surefire good teams on average because On

10:34

the side. issue. The side because the quarterback's

10:37

back and the the so the

10:39

injuries is what the only

10:41

issue right now for the

10:43

saints is the injuries. Yeah. They could

10:45

get a few of those pieces back, and they

10:47

could climb in there. Yep.

10:48

So I'm gonna imagine when it's a more

10:50

fire quarter back to be a surefire

10:52

good team. Yeah. When you say good versus

10:54

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10:59

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Good buddies who I trust in

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whole lot of people that I trust. You know?

14:40

I praise. Right. That's high.

14:42

I praise. Right? Yes. Right?

14:44

They mess up. A lot of pressure now.

14:46

Dan is Lamar Jackson.

14:49

having a better year so far,

14:51

including the last game where he couldn't get it done

14:53

when they went for it. Then he

14:55

did in his MVP season. Yeah. I've I've

14:57

heard this question a few times to the point where

14:59

I really should probably

15:00

dig in on the numbers and come up with an

15:02

answer because III don't know. Like, if

15:04

you'll come to work prepared today. Yes. In four

15:06

well, it's been four games. It's like, IIII

15:09

don't understand, like, why it's important to

15:11

people that that that be true or

15:13

false. I I think he's I think he's

15:15

great. I think when Lamar Jackson's on the field,

15:17

he's the most exciting and in many

15:19

ways the best player in the whole league.

15:21

I said before the season if he plays

15:23

all seventeen games I don't think the MVP

15:25

race will be close. I just

15:27

think he's he's different. He does things other

15:29

people can't do. But I will say this. I I

15:31

think he's I think he's developed a

15:33

little bit since since a couple years ago

15:35

when he was MVP. I think he's he's

15:37

developing as a as a thrower in

15:39

ways that, you know, I

15:41

don't know if it'll ever be perfect, but I

15:44

think he's he's gone to work on

15:46

some of his weaknesses and and and tried

15:48

to iron them out. So think

15:50

ultimately he's in a position where that that could end

15:52

up being the case for sure. Yeah. He

15:54

certainly is different. Only guy with eleven

15:56

touched now is he could throw himself in Totally

15:59

himself. He kept it running in because

16:01

he needed he's a quarterback wide

16:03

receiver. No. He he

16:05

he's playing, like, you say it though then.

16:08

Certainly, the the plane

16:10

better than he did in that MVP

16:12

campaign. It's early. I don't know that

16:14

he's gonna fade or anything like that.

16:16

I think just gonna continue to get better.

16:18

They're gonna continue to get better. They're not

16:20

losing games because -- No. -- of Lamar

16:22

Jackson. Yeah. I mean, he's doing

16:24

everything within his

16:26

power to will his team to victory. Yeah.

16:28

The

16:28

defense has to run by the way without him.

16:31

They haven't really had, you know, because they've had so

16:33

many injuries at running back. The obviously

16:35

very leaky, especially in key spots. So,

16:37

yeah, you talk about most valuable. He's setting

16:39

himself up for that. I mean, it should really be four at

16:41

all right now. Yeah. You blow two seventeen

16:43

point leads And granted, you know,

16:45

one situation was he's barely in the field because two

16:47

were just went bonkers in the fourth, and they were

16:49

in a lot of questionable covers to

16:51

begin with. But you look at what the team could be. They're

16:53

not even in that position without Lamar.

16:55

It's special, man. I think

16:57

he's better than he's ever been. The only thing

16:59

remaining for Lamar. Is he

17:01

buoyant? I have not seen his swim test yet, but

17:03

that's the last remaining question. He

17:05

can play quarterback, he can lead men, but

17:07

I'm sure people wonder, how

17:09

does he float? Right? So they'll so once he approves once he

17:11

takes a swim test, all that should be should

17:14

be answered. Am I

17:16

wrong? Alright. How

17:18

many good teams are there in the NFL

17:20

right now, Dan Rasiano? By good

17:22

teams Dan, that means that can win the Super

17:24

Bowl. You know right now looking at them,

17:26

this team can win the Super Bowl.

17:29

Chiefs,

17:29

the bills, the eagles,

17:31

the packers. Yep.

17:34

Boy, it runs

17:34

out. I mean, like, I

17:37

mean, is Tampa I guess Tampa has Tom

17:39

Brady. Right? I mean, so anybody who's Tom

17:41

Brady can win the Super Bowl, but boy.

17:43

Oh, boy. Do they have

17:45

problems? Baltimore, yeah,

17:47

I think, belongs on that list. Do you

17:49

put the cowboys there right now? Like, I mean,

17:51

they're winning with their backup quarterback and a and a monster

17:53

defense, you know. So, yeah, you're looking

17:55

at six or seven, I think, fit that

17:57

category. You think the dolphins are super bowl

17:59

ready? Like, that's it.

18:01

I don't

18:01

know. because we don't know about to it. We don't

18:03

know what's going on. to Dan. one thing that

18:05

you gotta understand,

18:07

Jay's gonna ride the golf his

18:10

deal to the end. k? He just gone.

18:12

He's gone. He it it almost

18:14

feels like he's building a super yacht

18:16

in Miami, and he's looking for

18:18

a discount who is going to He

18:20

is going to ride it to the end.

18:22

Alright. He we

18:23

all confirmed the dolphins together as

18:25

adjudgment team. We we came to -- Yeah. --

18:28

consensus on it. Absolutely. No.

18:30

No. Not to us. Not when he changed when

18:32

he's gonna play again. Yeah. I've got

18:34

And by the way, when he does, Keith, when

18:37

I think Keith, I think you think more

18:39

of Tula than you even realized

18:41

because I think if Tula never got concussed, and

18:43

he was playing right now. You might say, yeah.

18:45

Okay. They are a good team. Right? I don't I

18:47

don't know that because if they go in and

18:49

say, I'll just look at it different. that

18:51

fourth quarter against a

18:54

Baltimore, it

18:55

it skyrocketed y'all

18:58

package it up along with the rest of the media. Yeah. It

19:00

said here, and that doesn't happen.

19:03

Right. Paid down by twenty one

19:05

points the Raven's defense

19:08

suck. The second deer was Well, I'm twenty

19:10

one because he doesn't play defense. Indeed. And

19:12

all of a sudden, the

19:14

Raven's defense decide, oh, we're

19:16

just gonna let it do throw the ball

19:18

on us. And and you can't I don't

19:20

look at it that way. But then they go

19:22

to Cincinnati, Cincinnati, take care of

19:24

business and win the game. I don't think if tool

19:26

stayed in the entire Cincinnati game,

19:28

Elsie, that they was gonna get out of

19:30

Cincinnati. I'm not as high on Miami.

19:32

As y'all are, that's all. I'm higher on the

19:34

cowboys than I am on my own. By the

19:36

way, so much. Whiskey skipped a step. Like, in

19:38

between the Baltimore game and the Cincinnati

19:41

again, they beat the Buffalo Bills. I mean, that that's not nothing.

19:43

But I I understand the whole concept

19:45

of are we hanging too much on one

19:47

great quarter? Like, I think that's a fair

19:49

question. But then when you follow it up and go

19:51

be annual buffets bang up. But, I mean, they went and won

19:53

the game against Yeah. But but they're gonna have to be They

19:55

don't want to be Yeah. I look at that from

19:58

double digit down against him. Right. Against the Ravens. Like,

20:00

Josh, I only got hyped up for playing

20:02

well and and helping his No. Josh,

20:04

having to get high playing

20:06

well against the build. We came off we we

20:08

came off that game stating that the way

20:10

he played in the MVP race probably gave

20:12

him a leg up over Lamar. it

20:14

swings with him. That why why does it swing with

20:16

him? but it doesn't swing with Tua.

20:18

Because

20:18

he has a body of work

20:21

already, Jake. And he's already coming

20:23

into the season as an

20:25

MVP favorite. Tour was never coming into a

20:27

season as an MVP favorite. Will you

20:29

admit that some people

20:31

make up their minds about someone. And

20:33

once they do, it's and I by the way, you

20:35

are open to new information. You will

20:37

abandon an opinion if you new

20:39

information comes, which by the way is a smart thing to do. Like

20:41

in this industry, oh, you're flip flopping. It's

20:43

the dumbest thing in the world. If

20:46

information comes out and you integrate it into your opinion,

20:48

you're a fool. Right? So key, you do

20:50

that. But human nature is such that

20:52

once you've kind of made up your mind,

20:55

it takes a little more evidence to sway your

20:57

opinion. Sure. I think you're there with Tula.

20:59

You kinda made up your mind and so

21:01

you're open to changing it, but you got to

21:03

see a whole like a little more than Jay

21:05

needs to see to do it. That's what it seems

21:07

to me with do it because he's played well

21:09

this year. he he's played

21:11

okay. Y'all make

21:12

like Dan said, one

21:15

quarter, man. The one quarter, you can't

21:17

take the one quarter. in

21:19

skyrocketed due to Canton,

21:21

Ohio. You can't do that. But

21:23

but more important to me, what Dan said,

21:25

is is the right thing is

21:27

The dude was obviously concussed in

21:30

the in the first game. Right? And then against the

21:32

Bills. And then he comes back on a

21:34

short week and it happens again. And I

21:36

could just tell you from my lifetime

21:38

watching the fights. Right?

21:40

That they didn't give

21:42

them enough time to recover their

21:44

inbox line. Mandarin. Yeah.

21:47

Mandarin. Mandarin. And I don't know what's

21:49

gonna happen. Do you think he's never gonna get sacked again?

21:51

What what happens the next time his

21:53

head bounce off the turf. Right? Yeah. It's a real thing. Yeah.

21:55

You just hope that, obviously, that that that

21:57

this is a situation that bucks your

21:59

experience

21:59

in regard to that. But, yeah, I

22:02

I I'm interested

22:03

to see what they come back with on the concussion

22:05

protocol changes. If if they they if they do

22:07

establish a mandatory minimum

22:09

time period, I think

22:10

that would be that's that's one thing to watch for.

22:12

you know, that's a it's it's a very

22:15

scary thing,

22:16

especially for me

22:18

being around guys. Like, I played with

22:20

Wayne Krewitt that had you know,

22:23

concussion issues. And

22:24

the littlest thing, the littlest

22:27

tap, he was

22:27

out -- Mhmm. -- you know, because once

22:30

he starts, It just can't it's almost like you can't

22:32

stop. You know, all the

22:33

guys when you think about it that have had

22:35

concussion issues. It's not like

22:37

they get a concussion and

22:40

then it just goes away. It's like, no. I

22:42

mean, they get one concussion. Then they hit

22:44

the ground again. They get another concussion thing.

22:46

And it just keeps it going. So

22:48

that's why when it happened in the first game, the idea that, oh,

22:50

it's a back injury. May have also been a back injury,

22:52

but it was pretty clear to everyone with

22:55

eyes. Something happened there.

22:57

and they brushed them back, and here we are. My thing is, like, even if

22:59

it was a back injury, like, he got up

23:01

and and tried to walk and fell down. Like, even

23:03

if it's a back injury, he still can't walk

23:05

off the field. Like, that that's that's

23:07

caused for at least some caution. Yeah.

23:10

It's yeah. You you

23:12

hope that the long term effects are not as

23:14

bad as as we fear. Mike

23:16

McDaniel, by the way, said that ruling two out has

23:18

nothing to do with optics. Are you

23:20

buying that? I

23:22

am because I think there's there's there's

23:24

substance to what's going on right now. I mean, they're being

23:26

investigated for their handling of this.

23:28

And and so I think I think it

23:30

has more to do with the substance of it, a, you

23:32

know, the health and the well-being of the player and

23:34

also the potential very real

23:36

consequences that they're facing if they did in

23:38

fact do something wrong here. and put

23:40

him back on the field when

23:42

when he wasn't. So I think there's

23:44

enough

23:44

substantive reason to hold him

23:46

out that we can take him at his word that Optics aren't his

23:49

primary concern right now. I think

23:51

that's

23:51

really well put. Thanks. Act,

23:54

Optics. had nothing to do with the

23:56

decision to play him in the first place because

23:58

if Optics did, they wouldn't have done it -- Correct. --

24:00

which means that it really came down

24:02

simply to extremely bad

24:04

judgment. on the part of the dolphins franchise.

24:06

Well, it's extremely bad. I also

24:08

think it's the way people look at concussions. Like,

24:10

I've heard more I

24:11

mean, he Mike McDaniel when he said, he said,

24:14

well, it was just a concussion earlier. Right?

24:16

So

24:16

when you hear somebody say, just a concussion,

24:18

to me,

24:18

that brings back an old frame style of the

24:20

way we used to think about concussions. Like, whoa,

24:22

guys have these kind of things. I mean, you

24:24

you get

24:25

them back in the game, you figure it

24:27

out. There's a new agent. There's a new day now, Dan. I thought one of

24:29

the things that's been said through this process is stuck

24:31

with me. Demuris Smith said at JCCCCCCCCC

24:33

So it's coming from the NFLPA.

24:35

They said their question is, was he

24:37

being treated as a player or was he being treated

24:39

as a patient? And that I think is

24:41

the critical question. Right? Because that they

24:44

obviously want him to be treated. There's a

24:46

doctor there, the clearing him to go back

24:48

into the game. Like, was that doctor viewing

24:50

him as a football player or as a concussion

24:52

patient the way he would if you or I

24:54

walked into a hospital or a doctor's office for

24:56

treatment for a concussion. So I think that's the

24:58

perspective that they wanna change. And they should certainly

25:00

be treating him as a

25:02

patient -- Right. -- and not a football player.

25:04

And sometimes, you know,

25:06

sometimes these doctors feel

25:08

the

25:08

even though coaches don't say getting I'm

25:10

talking about doc are not trainer. Mhmm.

25:12

because the trainer isn't the doctor. He just

25:14

did the trainer. Right? Look after the

25:17

players. But sometimes these doctors feel

25:19

the pressure of an organization or a

25:21

head coach without even

25:23

knowing the guy

25:23

or even understanding or talking to him. They

25:25

just feel like they gotta do something to getting

25:28

back on the field. And that's that's what the

25:30

concussion protocols were designed to get rid

25:32

of. Right? Like that that kind of

25:34

pressure and incentive. So obviously, they need

25:36

to do more work on them, which they

25:38

a conflicted position to be in. And that's where it

25:40

would Keith's talking about the pressure. That goes from

25:42

a conflict of interest as the Hippocratic

25:44

oaths to do writing and your job for the team and that

25:47

knowing the team wants to field

25:49

the best players. By the way, Brook Pryor has been

25:51

telling the story on ESPN, Pittsburgh,

25:53

dealers report NFL reporter about

25:56

Ryan Clark about Ryan Clark. Yeah.

25:58

And how Ryan Clark no. No. No.

26:00

Coach, I can go to Tomlin, but he had he

26:02

had a health issue that he was in January -- Yeah. -- in Denver.

26:05

Right? And Mike Tomlin said

26:07

if it was my son,

26:09

I would not let him play, so you are not playing.

26:11

You wanna know why Mike

26:12

Tomlin players would run through a brick wall

26:14

for that dude? Mhmm. Alright.

26:17

Dan Graziano, thank you very much. I don't

26:19

know what we were supposed to talk about, but this was a this

26:21

was a good conversation. It was supposed to talk

26:23

to you. Yeah. Like, I don't know what we were

26:25

talking about. Let's stay with the dolphins, guys.

26:27

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26:30

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26:33

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Alright. Can

26:56

teddy bridgewater

26:58

Key, we were talking about this

27:01

earlier.

27:01

You don't see a big difference between Tula and

27:04

Bridgewater. I used to think that

27:06

way I'm I I I've changed my mind about that though,

27:08

but I've been wrong before. Here

27:10

is Mike McDaniel, Daughton's head

27:12

coach at the press conference. It's

27:14

all about the only

27:16

thing it's about. And that's

27:18

the

27:19

health of

27:20

the human being. So

27:23

it's

27:23

a change in routine for him,

27:25

you know, and he loves football and loves

27:27

being around his teammates. You know,

27:29

it's

27:29

another example of

27:32

us having to have

27:33

honest and forthright communication with the

27:35

medical staff. He'll be around as

27:37

long as it doesn't adversely

27:40

affect you know, he's a captain

27:41

of this team, and we want

27:43

him to be present as

27:44

much as he can, but not

27:47

at any

27:48

sort of cost to

27:51

his process,

27:52

getting himself healthy

27:54

and going through that procedure. So

27:56

if he's able, he'll be he'll be

27:58

around

27:58

as as much as

27:59

he can. So, Keith, if it

28:01

were me, I definitely don't play him

28:04

much sure rest after after what

28:06

happened against the bills, but he had a

28:08

neurological event. I mean, you you have to

28:10

not have eyes to understand that he,

28:12

you know, to think he didn't have neurological event against the

28:14

bills. And somehow their doctors didn't

28:16

think so get all the way out of here.

28:18

Then then another one occurred, of course,

28:20

on short rest when his head hit the

28:22

turf. And now he

28:22

I don't know how long, like, it would have

28:25

been, like, maybe you would you

28:27

that short rest week. You gave them a good ten days.

28:30

Maybe you bring

28:30

them back then, but now now

28:33

it could be a recurring problem.

28:35

So however

28:36

long two was out, what does Bridgewater

28:39

mean for this team? Well, I

28:41

think you

28:41

first of all, Teddy Bridgewater was

28:43

the number one pick in Minnesota

28:45

it was rookie at a year pro bowl caliber

28:48

quarterback. Blue his knee out. Then all

28:50

of a sudden,

28:51

it went

28:51

another way because they were ready to

28:54

try to win. They had to go get a quarterback

28:56

and trade in all of those sort of things. And

28:58

eventually, he goes to New Orleans, he

29:00

learns behind. Drewbury sits tight.

29:02

Whenever he was in there, they were just

29:04

dinking and dunking, moving along, winning games. I think

29:06

Tady Bridge was six and zero five and zero

29:08

six and as a starter in New Orleans.

29:10

He tick gets the big money goes to

29:12

Carolina. One year with a new head

29:14

coach in in in Shane Brady

29:16

as the office coordinator that didn't work out. They

29:18

fire shamed Brady. They got rid of Teddy

29:20

Bridge water. I don't know why they

29:21

did that. They just did it. He goes

29:24

in the Denver, and

29:26

he's in Denver. It's it's whatever.

29:28

They said, oh, we we're still looking for vacant

29:30

manning. That never worked out.

29:32

When he

29:33

goes to Miami, he goes to Miami for

29:35

a reason. Okay?

29:36

Because the Miami dolphins were looking

29:38

for a guy to push to a

29:40

that they felt like was comparable

29:42

to to a if anything would ever

29:44

happen or if they or for whatever reason, Teddy

29:46

Bridge wanted was to get, you know, beat

29:48

him out, he could be the guy. when

29:51

you

29:51

remove to it from the lineup against the

29:53

Cincinnati Bingles, you certainly saw the TTTTTT

29:56

bridge where they had command of

29:58

the offense. he understood the

30:00

offense, and it changes to some

30:02

degree because it's

30:03

a different play different style player.

30:05

But when you look at it, what is

30:07

he doing? He's getting the football, waddled, and

30:09

he'll he's giving it to Mike

30:11

Seceki, if I'm saying it correctly.

30:13

and they're running the ball and hopefully they can

30:16

play solid, say, on defense like they've been

30:18

playing. He

30:18

is more than capable. of

30:20

still getting his team to where

30:23

they wanna go into two of it comes

30:25

back. Yeah,

30:25

Keith. I have faith in teddy two

30:28

gloves. I I think also

30:30

having a weak preparation as a starter,

30:32

not as a backup. Kinda get

30:34

cat depoted into that role. I think his

30:36

benefits. And I have heard Mike McDaniel

30:39

say that the skill

30:41

set that Teddy Bridgewater brings to

30:43

the table, it it mirrors

30:45

tools in a way, and

30:46

that it doesn't force you to change

30:49

the playbook. And

30:49

I I think for Tyra kill, even when they connected on

30:51

that one bomb, like, the the communication

30:53

that these two have,

30:56

I agree to I don't think there's a a major drop off. I just

30:58

there there

30:59

there is a

31:00

certain element of confidence in leadership that

31:02

I think Tula brings to the table

31:04

then wondering

31:05

if Teddy brings that

31:07

same caliber mirror Over the top.

31:09

Over the

31:09

top, Jay? There is. Hey. You

31:12

can't even compared to two percent. So you're over the top. So you're

31:14

saying that one is way more refining it. You're

31:16

saying teddy's better than two percent. He said,

31:18

my god. Antennie Bridge was

31:20

Ultimate Pro. Okay. You have them. You'll be you'll

31:22

be more inclined to answer it. Yeah. to a whole another

31:24

level. Okay? Hold another level. I gotta

31:26

say

31:26

So wait. Wait. Wait. Hold on, Keith. So

31:29

Okay. When when

31:29

you so you're saying that to a there was

31:31

a lack thereof confidence for to a

31:33

degree compared to Teddy? Confidence from who?

31:36

Like, as it relates to how it is. Like, when you're in the field, I

31:38

guess it would be the same thing as me as a PG. Like, yo,

31:40

you need to be here. We need to do this.

31:42

You come over here. Let's do our

31:44

thing. Just And so I don't I

31:46

don't I don't I don't know tools

31:48

leadership skills, but I do

31:50

know Teddy Bridge, what a leadership Speak to

31:52

them for a second. how are Teddy's

31:54

leadership skills? Over the top.

31:56

They're

31:56

just over the top. Everybody follows

31:59

Teddy.

31:59

Look at this Cincinnati gang. you could He has

32:02

command of the

32:04

huddle. Everything he's

32:04

doing is just cool. I mean, it's

32:06

just Teddy. Teddy is a leader. Okay?

32:09

And and the players are gonna play for

32:11

Teddy Bridgewater. I said it at the beginning of the

32:13

season when they first acquired Teddy

32:16

Bridgewater. the the the

32:18

Miami dolphins, because he's the

32:21

second quarter

32:21

back on the depth chart, they got the

32:23

best back up in the league. Mhmm.

32:25

You know,

32:25

Keith, I always thought of Teddy Bridgewater

32:28

as a good starting quarterback. I thought

32:30

he was a solid starting quarterback in

32:32

the NFL. I'm

32:34

just going on what I've seen

32:36

from him in recent year. And by the way,

32:38

when he went five and o with New Orleans, I

32:40

thought, yeah. Right. Bridgewater. You put him in a good

32:42

situation. He'll be good. his play

32:45

and I can't go through all the games off the top of my

32:47

head. I'm just telling you about a general impression I've

32:49

had of him. to me has

32:52

not looked really the same. And you mentioned,

32:54

look, Carolina was not a good

32:56

situation, Baker Mayfield can't succeed

32:58

there, and he also I thought of baker of the same way.

33:00

They kid ready to fire the coach, man. They

33:02

gave the coach a lifetime deal. It

33:04

could be. But eyeball test, has he

33:06

looked the same to you when you've watched him

33:08

recent? He looks he

33:09

looks like the same quarterback that he was

33:11

in Minnesota prior to ten. His knee he

33:14

looks

33:14

like the same guy, it's the systems

33:17

that you have to look at. When you were

33:19

in the Denver Bronco system that

33:21

they ran last year or whatever they

33:24

were doing, Come

33:24

on, man. You can't nobody can succeed. It's

33:26

already fired the coach. They you know, they fired

33:28

the coach because nobody can succeed in that

33:31

style and what they were trying to do. then when

33:33

you talk about Carolina because you gotta

33:35

go to Carolina, you gotta look at it.

33:37

Shane

33:37

Brady, who was the office coordinator

33:39

at LSU when he won a national

33:41

title, got the job in

33:43

New Orleans I mean, in in Carolina as

33:45

the office coordinator. He was a

33:47

quality control guy

33:49

in New Orleans

33:52

undershined Payton had handled the

33:54

quarterbacks, had a relationship to some

33:56

degree with Teddy Bridgewater. So

33:58

he goes and he says, hey,

34:00

they get the information. What's up with Teddy? He's like,

34:02

we could do some stuff with Teddy. They give

34:04

Teddy the contract, the big

34:06

money in a year later, he's

34:08

gone.

34:08

dot Like, come

34:10

on. you don't you don't bring

34:12

a quarter back in and then get rid of him a year later when

34:14

you were in games, close to games,

34:16

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34:19

Well, the great about

34:20

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34:22

the great thing about this is we will see it now

34:24

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34:26

Helms, you know, takes the helm of

34:29

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34:31

we'll see when Tula gets

34:34

back. By the way, you see this protester

34:36

that Bobby Wagner tackled on

34:38

the sidelines? He filed a

34:40

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34:41

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34:44

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36:32

Bobby Wagner. So there's

36:34

a protest that runs out on the field. On

36:36

a football

36:37

field. Don't happen on a football

36:39

field?

36:39

When you're running you

36:41

get tackled. Right? You got

36:45

tackled. Bobby Wagner.

36:47

Line backer tackles him. The dude

36:49

is filing a police report

36:51

against wager. According to TMZ's

36:53

first individual is an activist for

36:55

the Berkeley based animal

36:58

rights group direct action everywhere and was

37:00

trying to, quote, raise

37:02

awareness for a trial

37:04

involving the

37:06

alleged theft of pigs from a

37:08

factory farm. And by the way,

37:10

I'm

37:10

all for that. I'm all for I'm all

37:12

for raise awareness, everything. Whether or not this is the way

37:14

to do it, The idea of this kind of protest

37:16

is that it's never the right way to do it. That's how you raise the awareness.

37:18

I think it's a good cause.

37:22

But Guys, if

37:24

you're gonna do that and you get tackled on

37:26

the field. A rep for direct action, everyone told

37:28

TMC the report stems from, hey,

37:30

listen to this, quote, blatant assault

37:33

by two Rams

37:36

players. Guys,

37:37

the

37:38

Okay. Let's put it this way. There is security

37:40

there, Keith. Let's take this let's take this

37:42

serious. sleep. Right? See There is serious, but I'm gonna have some jokes. There

37:44

is right. There is those two things

37:46

aren't mutually exclusive. What level of

37:49

security is there there? Let's let's can we start with that? But

37:51

is it is it is it There you see just

37:54

because you see people with yellow security

37:56

jackets on, don't mean they're up with

37:58

the most I'm

37:59

saying

37:59

it. I'm saying it.

38:02

I'm

38:02

saying just because you see guys We

38:04

we we go to a lot of events key.

38:06

just

38:06

because I see people with a yellow security jacket on, like, come on. I ain't

38:09

really secure. But but but -- You guys are doing a job.

38:11

-- if someone runs out

38:14

onto the field and there's a flare. There's smoke coming out.

38:16

You're not gonna tell her to hear it. But okay.

38:18

But so Bobby Wagner is like, hold on. I

38:20

don't know what's going on here. Let me just stop this.

38:23

tackled them, contained them, that

38:26

Yeah. I'm not I'm not I'm not having a right to engage

38:28

that way. I'm good, man. I'm

38:30

going actually she move out of the way. It's not

38:32

my job. My job is to play

38:34

football. My job is not to

38:37

engage and

38:37

become what do you what do you

38:40

call it? Well, you get people try to arrest you. What do they call it?

38:42

Citizen's arrest. Citizen's, like, I They they They

38:45

They They're not doing it. Kea you

38:47

wouldn't do it. I know you would but

38:50

that's not question. The question is, do you have

38:52

the right to do it? And my

38:54

answer is, you damn right, I

38:56

do. If you

38:58

come on into my

39:00

sanctum, and you

39:01

run around being crazy. You're

39:03

welcome. You can catch this. Hold on. Let's see

39:05

the video again, guys. Just look at this. Yeah. Get him his room

39:07

and he ran close to the silence. I think you're coming

39:09

towards the silo line max. But I think you're coming

39:12

towards the siloing out. I'm gonna

39:14

mark you out. Okay. We have a lot of time.

39:16

Hold on, man. Watch the ears there. But key whether or

39:18

not you're coming near it. The players, Bobby Wagner, did not

39:20

even put a real hit on him. He

39:22

simply did what he could to contain him

39:24

quickly. he didn't jump on top of him.

39:26

He didn't put his shoulder pads in his back. Nothing

39:28

like that. And how do you feel?

39:32

Ridiculous. if I feel a threat

39:34

number protect myself. Right. Okay. And

39:36

if

39:36

I feel threat. But if I if

39:39

I see somebody streaking and doing it, I

39:41

I'm just not getting involved in it. That's I'm

39:43

playing

39:43

again. I'm not getting involved in that.

39:46

Can I

39:46

see how many streeters in my career? I have

39:48

seen jump on the field and

39:50

run and big games. It's like we just

39:52

look at them and laugh because

39:53

that's why the yellow jack is where the j

39:55

thinks that the yellow jack in yellow jack in

39:57

yellow jack. talk about

39:59

that, please. guys doing well. That's my bigger point. I'm just I I'm telling

40:02

you, man, we've been to stay I've been to stadiums

40:04

before, and I always look around since we went

40:06

there for college game day. I'm

40:08

like, alright. Like, who's

40:09

really my security here? In case But it's

40:12

not it's not it's

40:14

it's it's

40:14

there to

40:16

to tier from But but nobody trying to

40:19

do something. That's exactly my point, bro.

40:21

Like, I've been I've been a lot of games

40:23

with my boys, man. There aren't there aren't a

40:25

lot of people that give off the that they're gonna deter me

40:27

from doing nothing. If you ever If you ever if

40:29

they if they could slow you

40:31

down just enough to

40:33

the to the police, a little bit. topic, guys.

40:36

Well, the the reports What I

40:38

was describing before. What I was

40:40

describing before, we were looking

40:42

at it. on

40:42

TV if you were watching ESPN, you could see it. Just a little bit. was

40:44

a streaker with an animal rights shirt

40:46

on. He's trying to get the message out about

40:48

a a worthy

40:49

cause. Right? So

40:52

So, you know, you don't want pigs being experimented on pigs are highly

40:54

intelligent sensitive animals, by the way. That's

40:56

true. But the point is he's running

40:59

down the sideline. It's true. He's running down the side of

41:01

that, Jay, because you went into pigs. Well, that's

41:04

what the guy's message was. I I don't wanna

41:06

get into the

41:08

point. Right. But but the whole difference The point is he's running down

41:10

the pork. He's running down the

41:12

sideline. There's smoke billowing

41:16

out of of purple smoke bill, and that looked like the Joker, the Penguin, was

41:18

attacking the stadium. Now, Bobby

41:20

Wagner runs out

41:22

any any he doesn't

41:24

tackle him like an NFL tackle. He just

41:26

basically pushes him to the ground so security

41:28

can get him. He didn't assault him. Like,

41:30

what are we talking

41:32

about here? But you have to do a try but you but you okay.

41:34

I don't know how many

41:36

times you've been put

41:39

in a

41:40

position, Max, in your life of

41:42

being pulled over or

41:44

or aggressive with authorities?

41:47

they describe your aggression as something

41:50

different. Right? Mhmm. Oh, you mean I

41:52

I didn't say any I didn't raise my voice to you,

41:54

sir. but he

41:55

was raising his voice at me. No.

41:57

I was simply talking to you

42:00

in in a in a loud manner. I was

42:02

not streaming at you. this is

42:03

sort of the same thing. We know

42:05

Bobby didn't assault him,

42:08

but

42:08

that is the way

42:10

that that they they describe it. But what I'm writing is you're gonna

42:12

sue them or if there's some issue, then

42:14

you wanna press charges, then if

42:18

he would have tackled them in a way that was very clear, he's trying to punish

42:20

this dude physically. At least maybe then the

42:22

guy might have a leg to stand on.

42:26

clearly,

42:26

that wasn't the case. Clearly, Wagner

42:28

was just trying to prevent him from running

42:30

around even if he knocked him out.

42:33

There's

42:33

there's no validity. Right. But I'm saying

42:35

it's not even finished. Even if he knocked him out,

42:37

there's no validity to the guy's

42:39

argument because you're running

42:41

towards my sideline. towards

42:42

me on an NFL field that you're

42:44

not supposed to be on in the first place. Clearly,

42:46

something that I don't know what it is. So

42:48

I'm defending myself. Sure. Yes.

42:51

is correct. So what I'm what I'm saying is you can't even say

42:53

he used excessive force. There was no ruffing the

42:56

passenger there. But his excessive

42:58

force is different

43:00

than yours. That's why.

43:02

So he thinks it just says it's a lot of nerve.

43:04

What did the last time he had a pork chop,

43:06

Jay? I just ate one bar currently leaves

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