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This is the unsportsmanlike podcast

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are set in the NBA. By

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the way, before we get to that quickly, Jets

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are at it again. Oh, what now? Well,

0:18

not really a what now. I mean, maybe,

0:20

but they tweeted out the video of Rogers

0:22

just walking in there today. Very

0:26

excited about it. Happy to see you

0:28

too at Aaron Rodgers 12. He's

0:30

smiling. He's got the hoodie. He's got the

0:33

sunglasses. He's got the hat. Offseason

0:35

champs. Here we come, baby. Offseason

0:39

champs. I will give him that

0:41

last offseason for Aaron Rodgers Electric.

0:44

This offseason? Oh, every offseason for Aaron Rodgers

0:46

the last four or five years has been

0:48

electric. But ever since the Green Bay Packers

0:50

drafted Jordan Love, we've been on Rogers watch

0:52

every single offseason. We have but

0:54

I'm saying last year with the Jets.

0:56

We all thought wow, this is a

0:58

different version of Aaron Rodgers. He's doing

1:01

everything right. He's hanging out with his

1:03

teammates. He's being a great representative of

1:05

the Jets. He gave back 35 million

1:07

dollars. 35 million dollars. Amazing

1:09

addition to this conversation. It was all great

1:11

and then he runs out of the tunnel

1:13

with the American flag on September 11th. That

1:17

was amazing. Four plays

1:19

in not so much, but he did a

1:21

really good job in the offseason last year.

1:23

Who knew that this time last year the

1:25

pinnacle of Aaron Rodgers 2023 was going to

1:27

be him running out of the stadium tunnel

1:29

with the American flag on 9-11. It

1:32

was pretty good. That was great. It

1:34

was great until it wasn't very quickly

1:36

until it wasn't until it wasn't. Okay,

1:38

congratulations for the Jets. They're starting their

1:40

offseason program putting their team back together.

1:43

Here we go. All right.

1:45

Let's go. They're

1:47

certainly not leaning away from Rogers. I'll tell you

1:50

that much. But they have to lean in. They

1:52

put this whole thing around him. He's their only hope

1:54

of being good. They have to lean in. But

1:56

anyone who thought hey, maybe they would take

1:58

a more measured approach. of balancing

2:01

a 53-man roster. They didn't sign

2:03

all of Rodgers friends this offseason

2:05

and not fully leaning in. How many friends

2:07

are left really to sign? I don't know how many.

2:09

Most of them are retirees. They already got

2:11

almost all of the guys that he would

2:14

want. But they start off their offseason program

2:16

with the big tweet. There

2:19

we go. Congratulations. Alright NBA playoffs set

2:21

of playing games. We have Miami and

2:23

Philadelphia in the East as well as

2:26

Chicago and Atlanta. In the West we

2:28

have New Orleans in LA, that is

2:30

the Lakers, and then Golden State and

2:33

Sacramento. Those are your playing games. Your number one

2:35

seed to Oklahoma City in the West. Boston,

2:38

I think we've known since week two of

2:40

the regular season in the East. And

2:43

we have juicy matchups that are already

2:45

set. Dallas and the Clippers.

2:47

Oh yeah. That's a good one. Minnesota

2:49

and Phoenix got a little heated yesterday

2:51

with Devin Booker and Bradley Beal. In

2:53

the Eastern Conference maybe not as much.

2:55

But Orlando and Cleveland, well or Cleveland

2:57

wanted Orlando and they got Orlando. But

2:59

Milwaukee and Indiana had some juice because

3:01

those two teams went at it at

3:03

times during the course of the season.

3:06

There was a whole controversy about who

3:08

gets the game ball earlier this year.

3:10

Indiana really had their number. The

3:12

number one storyline for you right now in the

3:14

postseason is what? What jumps out at you the

3:16

most going into it? I

3:18

mean it'd probably be who's trying to fight to

3:21

get into it right? I mean the

3:23

Sixers on the Eastern Conference side. I mean everybody

3:25

is looking at them as the alternative to Boston

3:27

to represent that conference in the finals. And in

3:29

the West you got the Golden State Warriors and

3:31

the LA Lakers. Like I just want to see

3:33

which one of them is going to be able

3:35

to punch their ticket to get into the tournament.

3:37

So that's exciting to

3:39

see. You would like that both

3:41

of them could but the likelihood of that

3:43

happening. So the non-summit is just that is

3:46

exciting for me to watch how all of

3:48

this plays itself out with those three teams

3:50

and whether or not they can get into

3:52

a real playoff series. Yeah so we're

3:54

talking overall in the playoffs not just

3:56

playing right? Obviously. To me it's are

3:58

the Celtics as dominant as we think they

4:01

are because the last time they won

4:03

this minigame 64 they won

4:05

a title an 0708 it's been a minute it's

4:07

the fourth most regular season wins

4:10

in franchise history Jason

4:12

Tatum and the Boston Celtics have been on

4:14

the precipice of a championship for a long

4:17

time we assume that he's the next guy

4:19

to break through but we've seen some disappointments

4:21

from the Boston Celtics in the playoffs obviously

4:23

so what version of Jason Tatum and the

4:26

Boston Celtics are we going to get the

4:28

dominant team that we've seen in the regular

4:30

season or is it going to be another

4:32

playoff disappointment and if so what are the

4:35

ramifications about so if we were to come up

4:37

with a playoff draft and we're gonna create a overall

4:39

playoff lineup of the players that we are

4:42

most confident in to play at the highest

4:44

level for the longest I'm gonna assume Jokic

4:46

is the first pick in that number one

4:49

who's second Anthony

4:51

Edwards I could see

4:53

them losing the first round but you're

4:55

saying for the entirety of their

4:58

careers this postseason this postseason who

5:00

is the player outside of Jokic

5:02

that you have the most confident

5:04

in confidence in excuse me to

5:06

play the longest this postseason at

5:08

the highest level Luca Dodges I think

5:10

they could lose in the first round okay

5:13

and Lucas is your first or you would

5:15

put Jokic first though right yeah okay and

5:17

Lucas second yeah I would go

5:20

Tatum and I would throw and beat in there because

5:23

I think Philadelphia is very dangerous and

5:25

that we could see them get

5:27

to the conference finals does anyone feel

5:29

like Shay should be in that conversation hmm

5:37

yes he should be in the conversation but

5:39

my confidence level is not necessarily the same

5:42

the question that becomes do I think that the

5:44

Oklahoma City Thunder can beat the Denver Nuggets if

5:46

they get to the conference finals and the answer

5:48

would be no yeah but you do think if

5:50

there were to be an upset Dallas would be

5:52

your team that you think Dallas could get to

5:54

the conference finals and upset

5:58

the Denver Nuggets I do think What

6:00

about Brunson? Brunson

6:03

is great, man. I love Brunson. I

6:05

love Brunson. I just don't know that

6:07

the Knicks have the firepower outside

6:10

of him to get there. I mean, I

6:13

know they're going to show up. I know they're going to play hard.

6:16

And that's a big part of it. I

6:18

just don't know that they're going to have the firepower offensively to

6:21

be able to hang with

6:23

the other teams in the Eastern Conference that

6:25

we would think are championship contenders. I

6:27

know they're lower seeds, but I think it's

6:29

interesting that we haven't brought up LeBron, Steph,

6:32

Kevin Durant. Well, Durant's interesting.

6:34

If you could see them, which I

6:36

could, upsetting Minnesota in the

6:38

first round. The problem with this argument now is

6:40

they get Denver in the second round. If they

6:43

got Oklahoma City in the second round, meaning

6:45

if Denver was a one, you may look at

6:48

the Suns and say, hey, that's a good go

6:50

to ESPN bet. That's a sleeper conference finals pick.

6:52

But because Denver would be sitting there waiting

6:54

for them, that's a hard one. I think

6:56

the number one team that I'm looking at

6:58

that could change our viewpoint on them is

7:01

actually Milwaukee. And Giannis could skyrocket up that

7:03

draft board, so to speak. If

7:05

Milwaukee has a series in the first round where let's

7:07

just say for argument's sake, they beat Indiana, as you've

7:09

been saying, gentlemen, sweet, five games. We

7:12

may sit here and say, OK, we have to recalibrate our

7:14

thought process on Milwaukee. Yes. Because

7:16

they would then get the winner of the Knicks in the seventh

7:18

seed. Let's call it Philadelphia. Milwaukee

7:20

at that point, they win the first round of five.

7:23

Giannis is healthy. We're not going to see that. If

7:25

they win the first round of five against the

7:28

Knicks, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I'm with you on

7:30

that one. Like Milwaukee against the Pacers. It

7:33

doesn't matter who they play in the second round,

7:35

whether it's the Knicks or the Sixers. Like I

7:37

think Milwaukee could be, you know, would probably be

7:39

favored in that series. I mean, you look

7:41

at Milwaukee now, I think they have the second best odds in

7:43

the Eastern Conference to win a title. So

7:45

it's not as if the odds makers are

7:48

dismissing what the Bucks can be. I'm

7:50

just going to go ahead and dismiss them based on

7:52

what I've seen the eyeball test this year. And

7:55

there's a reason why they fired Adrian Griffin.

7:57

There's a reason why it's been clunky on

7:59

their diet. rivers. There's a reason why

8:01

all of these things have

8:03

seemingly come up in terms of questions about the

8:05

long-term future of all of the key actors there.

8:07

So I just I don't trust

8:10

the Milwaukee Bucks in given how they played

8:13

against the Pacers in the regular season being

8:15

one and four if you include the in-season

8:17

tournament games. Yeah I

8:20

don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that they

8:22

get bounced in the first round. Let me

8:24

add one other team that could we could recalibrate

8:26

our thoughts on right if they do something in

8:28

the first round. So we're all in agreement. I

8:30

know you're gonna say the Clippers. That's

8:32

right. You're gonna say the Clippers. Okay go ahead.

8:34

No and you're absolutely right because if they were

8:36

be able to beat Luke Adonch and

8:39

Shikari over to the Mavs that means that

8:41

they get the Oklahoma City Thunder more likely

8:43

than not in the second round and with

8:45

a young team like that in the playoff

8:47

pedigree of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George and

8:49

Ty Lou I could absolutely see a scenario

8:52

where that team gets to the conference finals

8:54

and defensively you have to think that they

8:56

have the pieces that would match up against

8:58

the Denver Nuggets. I mean Jokic is gonna

9:00

get his but you could lock down everybody

9:02

else which I think would be the key

9:04

right. So yeah the Clippers could

9:07

change the way we feel about them if

9:09

they're able to beat the Mavs because I

9:11

think the Mavs had the best tandem right

9:13

now going into the playoffs in

9:15

terms of the way that they're playing between Kyrie and

9:17

Luca if the Clippers cut

9:20

the faucet off with the Dallas Mavericks then that

9:23

would let everybody else around the NBA know that

9:25

they are for real in terms of them going

9:27

on a deep playoff run and living up to

9:29

the promise that everybody thought they

9:31

had when they traded for Paul George and

9:34

bought in Kawhi Leonard and free agency. I'll

9:37

add one other idea on this there's one team

9:39

I think that if they win in the first

9:41

round that we are

9:43

not considering as a title contender that we

9:45

will immediately say as a title contender if

9:48

the Lakers somehow upset the Nuggets in

9:50

the first round oh we

9:53

will then say why can't they go and win

9:55

a title they've already beaten the hardest

9:57

team right right everything else in theory

9:59

should be easier now wear and tear

10:01

on the body as it goes does

10:03

it make it easier right because you're

10:05

gonna have Anthony Davis who normally

10:08

is banged up not this year and the brand

10:10

up he got back spasas play how many games

10:14

but he played way more

10:16

games this year so I think that

10:18

the thought process would

10:22

recalibrate for a good first round from

10:24

Milwaukee and a win for the Clippers

10:26

we'd recalibrate our thought process there and

10:29

all hell would break loose if the Lakers beat

10:31

the Republicans and then beat the Nuggets all hell

10:33

breaks loose at that point no

10:36

doubt because you're going to default to LeBron

10:38

James and the conversation will be why did

10:40

we dismiss him why did we count him

10:42

out look he's doing it again will you

10:44

feel the same way about the heat if

10:46

they somehow find a way to win not

10:48

if they beat the Knicks if they beat the

10:50

Celtics yeah then all of a

10:52

sudden I'll start thinking things what about the goal to stay warriors

10:55

walk me through it so they beat the

10:57

kings they beat what do you

10:59

want to say the Lakers of the Pelicans they beat the

11:01

Pelicans and now they're the

11:04

eighth seed they've already had the two hardest

11:06

moments so far they may be

11:08

deep I take the Thunder in game one I'll tell

11:10

you that much of that series considering they'll be exhausted

11:13

but then yeah do you recalibrate them yes

11:16

but that second round matchup if they get by

11:18

the first round it's still difficult with the Clippers

11:20

see the thing about the heat as the

11:23

eighth seed or even the Sixers as the

11:25

eighth season play up you're about to be

11:27

so disrespectful no no play this yes I

11:29

know you're about to be so disrespectful the

11:31

first round is so much harder for

11:33

those two teams the sheet and the Sixers the

11:36

plan and the first round would be

11:38

way harder than the second round yeah

11:40

because if you're Miami or Philadelphia the

11:43

loser Miami Philadelphia gets Boston if somehow

11:45

you beat Boston you then

11:47

get the winner of the Cavs and the Magic

11:49

you could win that in five yeah I

11:52

don't want to take a team for granted but I'm just taking those teams

11:54

for granted then all of a sudden that

11:57

eight feet now that now we just went somewhere else the

11:59

eighth season is interesting in the Eastern

12:01

Conference. Get the Celtics out of the way.

12:03

You're gonna have to either beat them at some

12:05

point, beat them early,

12:07

all of a sudden winner of the Cavs and the

12:09

Magic and then whoever is in the conference

12:11

finals. Okay

12:14

here, how about this one? Is

12:16

it ridiculous to think that this is not the only time

12:18

the Sixers and the Heat play in the playoffs? Wow,

12:23

I see where you're going with this. Is that

12:25

an absurd question to ask? I see where you're

12:27

going with this one. Meaning they would meet in

12:29

the, they would play in the play-in and

12:31

the conference finals. That would be

12:33

spicy, wouldn't it? We've never seen anything like

12:36

that. Of course we haven't. Of course. That

12:38

would be spicy. No, it sounded more dramatic because the play-in

12:40

just started. That

12:43

would be spicy. You're not

12:45

writing in a 1% chance? If

12:47

it was those two and not Boston, that

12:49

would be outrageous. I

12:52

mean under those circumstances they're absolutely trading

12:54

Jalen Brown, right? If

12:56

the Boston Celtics lose in the first

12:58

round series, they're absolutely trading Jalen Brown.

13:00

They're firing Missoula. He's out of here.

13:04

And then they'd probably be trading Jalen Brown rather

13:06

than paying him, right? Because you can't commit 700

13:09

million dollars to two players just to get bounced

13:11

in the first round of the playoffs after winning

13:13

64 games? I'd want them though. If

13:16

I'm another team, I'm cool. I'll pay him 50 million

13:18

dollars a year. He's damn good. I'll

13:21

pay him whatever it is. It's just they can't

13:23

keep going. Correct. Wow.

13:25

All right. We just got, what's the word, spicy?

13:27

I think we just got very spicy with that.

13:29

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13:31

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13:33

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13:36

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Draft is tonight. And

15:22

joining us now. She has been

15:24

the star of women's college basketball and

15:26

Caitlin Clark. But anyway, it doesn't matter. Andrea

15:28

Carter has been on the coverage of all

15:31

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15:36

with the WNBA Draft and joins us

15:38

now here on unsportsmanlike with Michelle, Chris

15:40

and Evan. Alright, let's start with this.

15:42

The obvious first question, Saturday Night Live.

15:45

How awesome was that that Caitlin Clark was on?

15:48

It was like sweet redemption. Explain.

15:51

It was beautiful. Like just for her to

15:53

go on, once she brought her teammates up

15:55

there, the jokes landed. She handled everything with

15:57

grace, which Caitlin always does. And it was.

16:00

funny it was such a

16:02

great way to respond to

16:04

the empty bar jokes and all the all

16:06

the women's sports jokes that

16:08

have happened on that show just come

16:10

on throw it right back in their face to handle it

16:12

with confidence to handle it with class and to have some

16:14

fun with it and actually just be like no here's what's

16:16

really going on in women's sports and let me come on

16:19

and tell you about it as 24 million

16:21

people just watch me play on national

16:23

television it was great oh it's

16:25

awesome absolutely no doubt about it so let's

16:27

shift our focus to the draft tonight I

16:30

know everybody's excited about Caitlin Clark being selected

16:32

first to the Indiana fever but what's next

16:34

who should we be paying most attention to

16:36

what team in the draft has to absolutely

16:39

nail it in terms of getting it right

16:41

to get their franchise to a position where they

16:43

can be consistently competitive yeah I think my eyes

16:45

are on the sparks they have the second pick and they

16:48

have the fourth pick like when you have two top

16:50

five picks this is a team that missed the

16:52

playoffs but this is a storied

16:54

franchise when it comes to winning

16:57

WNBA championships they lose NECA GUMICAY

16:59

who is one of the

17:01

greatest leaders that this league has seen

17:03

they lose her to Seattle so their

17:06

ability to draft correctly two players in

17:08

the lottery they've had their picks but

17:10

those two players in that top five

17:12

who they go with how those players

17:15

fit into their system and what

17:17

they can do it might not happen this year

17:19

like I'm not saying they're gonna make a push

17:21

in the playoffs this season but for them to

17:23

move forward and get back to being that storied

17:25

franchise that we've known the sparks to be my

17:27

eyes are on them in the dream scenario who

17:29

would those two players be for them you

17:31

know it's tough honestly between it

17:33

for me between Rakia Jackson

17:36

because just a natural gifted score out

17:38

of Tennessee Go Lady Boss Rakia Jackson

17:40

Camila Cardoso gives you six, seven gives

17:43

you size, gives you energy on the

17:45

glass. That's that's something that's an area

17:47

that they struggled in. so rebounding Camilla

17:49

can bring that efficient scoring Camilla can

17:52

bring that Camilla's played with grown women

17:54

and her national team with Brazil So

17:56

I think bringing that experience helps too

17:59

So Camilla Cardoso Rakia Jackson Kim Brink

18:01

I think would give them links athleticism

18:03

on both ends the finishing ability. Those

18:05

are three players that I would imagine

18:08

really go anywhere from. Two, three, or

18:10

four legacy. Chicago taking one of them and I

18:12

guess the L a second the other two.

18:14

So we know Caitlin Clark has certainly embrace

18:16

the spotlight. Another young ladies and the same

18:18

as Angel release announcing that she's gonna see

18:20

an address in Vog. With that that was

18:22

very amazing. Aware D C her landing what's

18:24

a great spot for her? Yeah, it's tough

18:26

you know With Enron of people talked about

18:28

her potentially going to you on Minnesota team.

18:30

Or you're being. In the top ten

18:32

early in the season, she wasn't in the

18:35

sub senate or sometimes she was even in

18:37

the first round. But the thing about Angel

18:39

see as a relentless rebounder, her energy, her

18:41

passion, her competitive spirit that she plays with.

18:44

She's working on developing her jump shot. I've

18:46

been told she shoots the ball more than

18:48

we've seen her do at Ls You. That's

18:50

going to be pivotal to her staying in

18:53

the league. But as far as getting on

18:55

a theme and making an impact in bringing

18:57

that energy, Wanting to learn, Wanting to compete,

18:59

Wanting to? When I could see Angel. Having

19:02

success anywhere. That she goes I'm I'm

19:04

curious because she did actually talk about how

19:06

she was the top rated when cove about

19:08

a high school douses litter for to display.

19:10

Moreover arsenal of the most level theocracy gonna

19:12

have to do that in order to be

19:14

successful. Player does have zero Zero Zero have.

19:16

To if she wants to be the impact player that

19:19

I think she. Wants to be right of social, be more

19:21

than a role player if she wants to be more than. Someone

19:23

that comes into the game to get rebounds

19:25

and bring in. Really? she's already going to

19:27

do that for a team, but this skill

19:29

set right here. knocking down jump, start, putting

19:31

the ball on the floor, getting to the

19:33

rim and finishing in an unorthodox way but

19:35

also finishing in a powerful way. Been at

19:37

creator if she can do that. So us

19:39

staying power in the league and Impact power

19:41

in league When you talk about being an

19:43

all. Star. Down the road, those. Type of

19:45

things that I think Angel wants to do with her

19:47

career. All the skill and and showing that that's what's

19:50

gonna be that gets for their what she has right

19:52

now will keep her on. a team with our with

19:54

andre carter's at a phenomenal job author other women certainly

19:56

get ready for the w b a draft tonight seven

19:58

thirty pm eastern on yeah We know

20:01

how great Kaitlyn Clark is. We know she's a mega star. Is

20:03

she definitively the best player in this draft? You have to take

20:05

her one. Yes. Is she definitively the best player in the draft?

20:08

Yes, I would say Kaitlyn is definitively

20:10

the best player. She's the number one

20:12

pick. Her skill set is unmatched in

20:14

terms of her range, her passing

20:17

ability, her size. Like people forget how tall

20:19

Kaitlyn is at the point guard position. So

20:21

tall, it made my voice squeak. You hear that? She's tall. I've

20:23

got to work on that for the draft so that doesn't happen

20:25

tonight. But her vision and the thing about

20:27

Kaitlyn too is she always found a way. She makes

20:30

the right reads. Even with her teammates at Iowa, she

20:32

was making the right reads, getting the ball where

20:35

it needs to go, taking good shots for Kaitlyn

20:37

Clark. So with her teammates around her at the

20:39

next level, you're going to put

20:41

stars around her, you're going to put talent around her and she's

20:43

going to be able to capitalize off of those opportunities, whether it's

20:45

setting them up or cooking and eating

20:47

for herself. So I think for Kaitlyn, her skill

20:49

set is unmatched. I'd say that talent level

20:52

is ridiculous as far as it goes. Andre, who's the

20:54

team this summer that can get on the level with

20:56

the New York, with the New York Liberty and the

20:58

Las Vegas Aces? Because those are the two super teams

21:00

in the WNBA. Who can get on the level with

21:02

them? I would say Seattle. Like

21:05

when you talk about a Seattle team that

21:07

now has Jewell Lloyd, Nneka Gomakay and Skylar

21:09

Diggins-Smith, like Nneka and Skylar and Jewell, the

21:12

way Jewell scored last season with a team

21:14

that struggled all around her all season long,

21:16

Skylar and the energy that she plays with,

21:18

the defensive mindset that she plays with and

21:21

the way she can put pressure on the

21:23

rim and get into the paint. And

21:26

then you bring in the leadership and finishing ability

21:28

and defense of Nneka Gomakay, one of the greatest

21:30

leaders and a WNBA champion. Jewell

21:32

has already won WNBA championships. So

21:34

for that team, when you talk about a

21:36

super team, having that big three and then

21:38

building pieces around them, how

21:41

everybody else falls into place, that's a team that

21:43

I think could compete. The Aces

21:45

are light years ahead of

21:47

anybody. New York's trying to figure out how to

21:49

get up there and then there's a little bit of gap and

21:51

there's everyone else, in my opinion. Let's go back to

21:54

Kaitlyn Clark for a second. You said

21:56

she's defended really the best player in the

21:58

draft, but what obstacles will she face? transitioning

22:00

from being so dominant at the college level

22:02

to going to the WNBA. Physicality would be

22:04

the first thing. I was on Good Morning America just it

22:06

was yesterday morning and I was talking about Caitlin's going to

22:09

be going against grown women. Like women with

22:11

what I like to call mom strength.

22:13

Like mom strength just hits different. When

22:15

you've got kids and you've been through

22:17

giving birth, you just have a different level

22:19

of strength than anyone I could imagine.

22:21

And toughness. So going against grown women

22:23

and the physicality and the strength that she's

22:25

going to see, like I would imagine

22:27

her body is gonna feel a little

22:29

banged up. Like when we talked about, remember Victor Winman Yama

22:32

coming into the league. He had to get used

22:34

to the physicality that was brought in the

22:36

NBA and he talked about that. He's like

22:38

this, these guys are strong. Caitlin will experience

22:40

the same thing. Most rookies do experience that

22:42

when you go into the league. It's a

22:44

different level of strength, speed, quickness, decision-making and

22:46

then defense. Coming into the league,

22:48

other teams are going to test her ability to

22:50

defend one-on-one. I don't know what defensive schemes Indiana

22:53

is going to have but players are going to

22:55

challenge her. They're gonna try and attack her off

22:57

the balance. They're gonna try and put her on

22:59

her heels. So her ability to defend and then

23:01

handle physicality I think are gonna be the biggest

23:04

challenges. But when we figured it out, Caitlin

23:06

will figure it out. She'll start to mesh with her

23:08

team. Like whatever numbers Caitlin puts up in the beginning

23:10

of the season, I actually expect them to get better

23:12

as she figures out the league.

23:15

Andrea we've got about 30 seconds she's heading over

23:17

to get up. You'll see her there. Do we

23:19

think that the WNBA rules for entrance are appropriate

23:21

and fair? Because like for example, if Malaysia Folwylie

23:23

was a man on the men's game, she'd be

23:26

a top five pick in the draft. There's no

23:28

way she stays. She's awesome

23:30

by the way. But are the rules fair?

23:33

I do think they're fair because there are and I

23:35

don't know the exacts and I need to learn

23:37

these but there are things in place to protect

23:39

lottery picks on the NBA side. Like one, the

23:41

signing bonus that you get is ridiculous and

23:43

two, the way you have the G League, the

23:46

way you have somewhere to land softly if things

23:48

don't work out immediately, you don't have that in

23:50

the WNBA. So especially now with NIL in place

23:52

it gives players you can make money,

23:54

you have time to develop, you have time to get

23:56

ready and then go into the league And

23:59

have a little bit more success. Staying power. I just

24:01

worry about players going early, they don't have

24:03

any other education of and something goes wrong

24:05

and they don't have a soft place to

24:07

land. right? Now with the way the W set

24:09

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26:04

with the cross-town Dodgers for

26:07

the hopes of finally playing in the

26:09

Major League Baseball post-season. Otani made the

26:12

playoffs perennially in Nippon professional baseball and

26:14

won the Japan Series with the Nippon

26:16

Ham Fighters in 2016, but the post-season

26:18

has eluded him since coming to the

26:20

United States. Los Angeles' A.L. Club missed

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the playoffs in each of Otani's six

26:25

seasons. With the Dodgers, Otani should finally

26:27

get a chance to prove he can

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deliver when the Knights are the brightest. The

26:32

Dodgers have made 11 consecutive post-season appearances and

26:34

have won the National League West 10 times

26:36

during that span. Otani is coming off major

26:38

elbow surgery and is not expected to pitch

26:40

in 2024, but the $70 million per year

26:42

average could be worth it after he

26:48

led the league with 44 home runs last

26:50

season en route to his second

26:52

career most valuable player. Is

27:26

there any other example of that in any other sport

27:28

where you had two generational players, two

27:46

MVPs on the same team in their

27:48

prime? That

27:50

never went to the post-season. I understand

27:52

post-seasons are not created equally because

27:55

of the number of teams in the post-season,

27:57

but that's abnormally... You

28:00

know you Awful, right,

28:02

but you think about like Kobe with Dwight Howard

28:05

and Steve Nash and that crew Would

28:07

they all in their prime

28:09

at that point? Probably not Nash was passed

28:11

this prime. He had won the MVPs obviously

28:15

What Oh five and oh six or six and oh

28:17

seven with the with the Suns I don't know that

28:19

we have another example of that. I'm sitting

28:21

there thinking about it I can't come up

28:23

with one because the prime part is really

28:25

the like they both won MVPs with the

28:28

other one on the team Am I not

28:30

mistaken? Yeah, there was a stretch where they

28:32

accounted for four of the seven most recent

28:34

MVPs in the AL Like

28:37

think about that four to seven MVPs came

28:39

from one of those one of two of

28:41

those guys zero playoff appearance zero playoff Appearances

28:43

is bad. It's not great And the only

28:45

memorable big game moment we have with them

28:47

too on the same field was them against

28:49

each other in the world baseball classic wasn't

28:51

even a major league baseball. That's

28:53

mind but I'm looking here Oh Tani and 23 1 MVP

28:57

Otani and 21 1 MVP

28:59

trout in 19. So they

29:01

both won MVPs in

29:03

that range that they were together and

29:06

did absolutely That

29:08

is remarkable. Absolutely remarkable Anyway,

29:11

today is an important anniversary in

29:14

not just baseball, but in our

29:16

world It's the 77th anniversary of

29:18

Jackie Robinson entering the entering

29:20

major league baseball And for any parents out there

29:23

for any kids who want to say well I

29:25

don't want the athlete to be the role model

29:27

for the child. That's fine Let's

29:29

look at Jackie Robinson a little bit differently

29:31

Please because if you want a role model

29:33

if you want somebody who is going to

29:36

break down barriers and open up doors for

29:38

others And have that unbelievable ability that tragically

29:40

he had to have of taking all

29:42

of the horrific abuse from all of those

29:45

Disgusting people that were doing what they were

29:47

doing to Jackie Robinson. He took it. He

29:49

dealt with it He played through it and

29:52

he opened doors for countless other people if

29:54

you ever want someone to look up to

29:56

that is truly within the sports realm heroic

29:59

That man. His I really wish Major league

30:01

baseball they celebrated and they've retired forty two,

30:03

but I've set of for years. I don't

30:05

understand why they don't have the Dodgers at

30:07

the Mets every year on the state. Why?

30:10

The Dodgers playing in Los Angeles? That? I,

30:12

why don't we have the Dodgers in New

30:14

York Internationally series and we go all in.

30:17

Citi Field is basically built as a tribute

30:19

to Jackie Robinson. The Brooklyn Dodgers have no

30:21

real yeah. why don't we lean into that

30:23

every single year? I don't understand that. I

30:26

don't either, but I'm I'm glad I'm Usually

30:28

baseball does make it a celebration of all

30:30

the players. have the Forty Two pet owner

30:32

jersey Like I think it's important to make

30:34

this a big deal just because inclusivity in

30:36

a sport is really, really important. Been able

30:38

to have representation in the sports, and although

30:41

we do have a lot of persons of

30:43

color that are in Major league baseball, we

30:45

don't have a lot of American born players

30:47

that are black. Playing. A Major

30:49

League Baseball and so I think been

30:51

able to have that representation and been

30:53

able to you know, spotlight. The contribution

30:56

that Jackie Robinson made to the game

30:58

overall is important in terms of continuing

31:00

to grow the game In areas of

31:02

this country where young kids don't necessarily

31:04

see a viable path to playing in

31:06

that sport. so I'm excited that they

31:08

do make it a celebration and I'm

31:11

originally baseball does try to extend itself

31:13

in a weight onto deaths. I'm glad

31:15

to make it a celebration as well

31:17

and to kind of circle that's what

31:19

you said oven. I think it's so

31:21

important that every year we recognize this

31:23

and talk of I. It's for those

31:25

younger generations who might not have been

31:27

aware are Jackie Robinson's to keep his

31:29

legacy alive but also remind the boss

31:31

of what he and door and like

31:33

some of the things if you go

31:35

back and read about it wasn't were

31:37

absolutely horrific as I really think it's

31:39

important for younger generations to understand what

31:41

Jackie Robinson had to do and order

31:43

to open doors. For other people and the

31:45

relationship was Branch Rickey. I mean, I'm yeah I

31:48

don't want to just go base in the movie

31:50

forty Two, but it's well worth watching with the

31:52

late great shared with Bozeman as the star of

31:54

it, but the relationship with Branch Rickey was a

31:56

general manager running the team. Knowing. I

31:58

just want the best player on the field. And.

32:01

I want the best people that are the

32:03

best players on the field. I don't actually

32:05

care what they look like but the relationship

32:07

the two of them had it. understanding what

32:09

they were entering into was one in which

32:12

that I was amazed by and watch the

32:14

movie and reading everything about it. The two

32:16

of them together I mean checked but not

32:18

equate the two of them. I'm just saying

32:20

not a nor has to be open for

32:22

someone else to open a door and branch

32:24

Rickey who ran the Dodgers did that. were

32:26

many other baseball teams that times didn't write

32:29

and so it is always a day to

32:31

celebrate. Jackie Robinson. There's never a day

32:33

that we shouldn't celebrate that Jackie Robinson.

32:35

It's not only because he debuted seventy

32:37

seven years ago today. he could be

32:39

celebrated every day because when we look

32:41

across sports, we sat here talking about

32:43

the N B A today. Well.

32:46

Le. Bron James. Doesn't have

32:48

the life he has if not for Jackie Robinson.

32:51

right? Have you were talking about Jayson Tatum?

32:53

Jaylen Brown Number One see: Boston Celtics don't

32:55

have the life they have today, if not

32:57

for Jackie Robinson. As I

32:59

just think that the he is. So.

33:02

Right to celebrate at all times and it's

33:04

good bye Baseball. Retire in the number forty

33:06

two for good states is it? And into

33:08

they. Obviously there are celebrating with the number

33:10

Forty Two all over the baseball, but they're

33:12

just never time not to celebrate. Check your

33:15

arms and am I have no absolutely not.

33:17

As firstly would admit right like the context

33:19

of it all matters the institution that was

33:21

baseball. Bat. Fit him in

33:23

the mid forties. Would admit to

33:25

use that sport in in of

33:27

of are are just as close

33:29

to a meritocracy as you had

33:32

during a time to break down

33:34

your racism and prejudice in this

33:36

country was absolutely huge. So the

33:38

courage by Braves regular make that

33:40

decision, the courage by Jackie Robinson

33:42

to have the fortitude and also

33:44

the disciplinary so to up every

33:46

aspect of his life to be

33:48

somebody worthy of the opportunity rights

33:50

because in order for breath Ricky.

33:52

And Major League Baseball To extend themselves in

33:54

that way, you had to have somebody that

33:56

didn't have any question. Marks didn't have any

33:59

com as didn't. Many but I'm Jackie

34:01

Robinson was that in terms of what he

34:03

meant I mean he was a veteran. I

34:05

think it was a second lieutenant in the

34:07

military. This is a for sport athlete Edu

34:10

go in at U C L A was

34:12

a graduates like he had all of the

34:14

things that you would want a professional baseball

34:17

player, somebody that will represent your friends as

34:19

he had all of the things that you

34:21

would want. And. The fact that

34:23

he was black, Aids is a

34:25

knowing that opportunities for an extended to

34:27

men of color during that time for

34:29

him to lead his life and such

34:31

a way where it made it palatable

34:33

for Branch Rickey, a major league baseball

34:35

to given a chance. I thought that

34:37

was absolutely. Absolutely. Critical.

34:40

So. Credit to Jackie Robinson!

34:42

Have a special man in every

34:44

aspect of his life and was

34:46

of his. Instrumental in

34:48

changing how we looked at race in

34:51

this country. Process. I also think about

34:53

how difficult it was for a hand

34:55

to indoor the heat and all of

34:57

the external things that were going on

34:59

around tense and still be able to

35:01

have the career that he dead for.

35:04

So many people that would have been

35:06

so overwhelming. But for Jackie Robinson, ten

35:08

years in the league, rookie of the

35:10

Year in nineteen, Forty Sevens, Ndp six

35:12

all stars and a World Series champion.

35:15

That's just it tells you so much about

35:17

the mental fortitude at this man. Add on

35:20

everything that she had to endure and it

35:22

still did not impact him on the baseball

35:24

diamond. I just think that's really remarkable. He

35:26

had to be great. He. Was. He.

35:29

Could not punchbag physically. He didn't. and

35:31

he couldn't punchbag verbally. He didn't He

35:33

had the single most impossible job that

35:35

any athlete is ever had in the

35:37

history of sports and did it to

35:39

perfection. He. He he

35:42

couldn't be good. He had to be great.

35:44

And. He couldn't ever fight back when people

35:47

were saying disgusting things towards else because

35:49

the masses we're not in favor of

35:51

him being there. So. The

35:53

moment. Someone. Who says

35:55

a disgusting thing to him? See says

35:57

it back. it's not that the

35:59

ring random fan said it, it's that he said

36:01

it. The moment somebody physically threw something at him

36:04

or hit him and he did it back like

36:06

any person would do, it's not that they threw

36:08

something at him, it's that he hit back. He

36:11

had expectations and pressure on him that no

36:13

human in sports has ever had and

36:16

somehow he reached and surpassed every one of

36:18

them. We talk about LeBron all the time,

36:20

rightfully so, as reaching the expectations of the

36:22

chosen one in Sports Illustrated. Unbelievable

36:24

what LeBron James is able to do. But

36:27

then also add everything that Jackie Robinson was able to

36:29

do and had to deal with. He's one

36:31

of one and baseball does the right thing and

36:34

honoring him and all sports should honor him today.

36:36

77th anniversary, excuse me. The entire country should honor

36:38

him. Correct, it's not a sports thing. Correct. The

36:41

entire country should honor Jackie Robinson. Absolutely

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gonna go through Major League Baseball today and

38:03

tonight we got the matchup the Washington Nationals visiting

38:05

the Los Angeles Dodgers I mean the Nationals are

38:07

a slump buster if there ever was one so

38:10

I'm gonna go with the Dodgers on

38:12

the money line and then we're gonna take Tyler

38:14

Glass now under nine and a half total strikeouts

38:16

last time he was on the mile 14 total

38:18

strikeouts ain't gonna come nowhere close to what he

38:21

had the last time out so I'm gonna fade

38:23

him a little bit but the Dodgers still get

38:25

the dub so again Dodgers on the money line

38:27

Glass now under nine and a half strikeouts that

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two-legged parlay pays out at plus

38:37

survived a terrible terrible moment in our

38:39

history the most unsportsmanlike moment of the

38:41

day that was terrible was not a

38:43

great look all right

38:46

most unsportsmanlike moments of the day things

38:48

that are wacky weird odd in

38:50

and around sports let's

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start with the Rockets and Clippers game yesterday so the

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Rockets won the game 116 105 spread was four and

38:57

a half I

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believe per ESPN bet and

39:02

that's important because at the end of

39:04

the game Boban on the Houston

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Rockets knew that there was a promotion that if

39:09

anyone on the visiting team missed two free throws

39:11

in a row the home team's

39:13

fans the Clippers would get

39:16

free chicken Boban missed

39:18

both free throws on purpose so

39:20

the fans would get free chicken

39:24

which is just an amazing move he's an

39:26

absolute hero a man of the people oh

39:28

no question about it that is awesome I

39:31

gotta ask is it point shaving oh

39:33

my gosh I mean you're

39:35

missing on purpose everyone knows you're missing on

39:37

purpose I I'm

39:42

just just saying you

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could say that you weren't

39:48

trying to miss it on

39:50

purpose though you always want

39:52

to listen to the play by play with everyone throwing

39:54

up the chicken I

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love it. All right, we're gonna listen to

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the play-by-play of this of the the game

40:04

yesterday So you can hear what

40:06

the announcers had to say as Boban

40:09

missed free throws for chicken. I Think

40:15

maybe possibly do we not have it? Well

40:17

when Nuno gets in my ear and says

40:19

the play-by-play is great That's the yeah, that's

40:21

sweet that we were playing that should have

40:24

it. Oh Wow Oh

40:49

He put the one finger in the air to

40:51

like yep, I got you I

40:54

got like Kobe's wanted Michael like yeah,

40:56

I gotcha. I did it To

41:02

be happy about So

41:05

next one here, so, you know Nick Saban's

41:07

retired He's part of the ESPN family now

41:09

He's gonna be on game day and he

41:11

was at the Masters over the weekend and

41:13

was interviewed by Laura Rutledge on ESPN About

41:16

what Saban's been up to take

41:18

a listen It

41:20

has miss Terry wanted to kill you

41:22

yet You

41:24

know the day after I retired

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I got the 12

41:28

commandments of retirement So

41:32

I've tried to live by them But

41:34

I found out that if I do my chores Then

41:38

I can go play golf So

41:40

I get up early and get my chores done and then it's

41:42

like how do I have a free pass to go do what?

41:44

I want to do. What is your

41:46

what are your chores? What

41:49

do you have to do? I make my bed. Okay.

41:51

Good. I take the garbage out I

41:54

have to wait for her to eat together And

41:57

I have to leave a little food just because that's polite

42:00

to tell people that you really thought it

42:02

was good. Which I grew up cleaning my

42:04

plate so that's not kosher anymore. Wait,

42:08

I'm confused about the last part. He leaves food?

42:11

That's the move? I don't even understand

42:13

what that means exactly. Yeah I don't know because

42:15

I'm with Nick Saban's original thought that I

42:17

thought cleaning your plate was a sign of

42:19

a nod of approval to the chef. Absolutely.

42:22

Yeah because if you leave food left over you're saying that

42:24

whoever made the food... It wasn't very good. Yeah. What

42:26

is she talking about? It's amazing though for those

42:28

who are watching on ESPNU he talks with his

42:31

hands as if he's breaking down the defense like

42:33

he would do at the press conferences. It's the

42:35

same thing with breaking down the chores. I love

42:37

the 12 commandments of retirement though. That is the

42:39

thing. Miss Terry had those ready to

42:41

go. The day after he retired she's like here's

42:43

the list. I'm laying down the law this

42:45

is what it is. Just so you know. Yes.

42:48

I think that Nick Saban's relationship with

42:50

his wife is so fascinating. I love

42:53

how much he loves her and what

42:55

a big part of his

42:57

legacy that she is and the way that

42:59

she runs things and he defers to her in

43:01

so many ways. I just think that's amazing.

43:03

Do you have assigned roles in your

43:06

house? Yes. You do? Because

43:08

ours are just like we kind of

43:10

understood what's understood doesn't have to be said. It's

43:12

kind of weird. We take gender roles to a

43:14

different level in my house. It's weird. My

43:17

wife will refuse to take out the trash.

43:20

Okay. She's not taking out the

43:22

trash. I have to make sure if I'm going out of

43:24

town I take out the trash before I leave and when

43:26

I come it's piled up it's for me to take out

43:28

of the house. She does not touch the trash. Conversely

43:31

I don't touch anything in

43:33

the kitchen. So if there are

43:35

dishes in the sink that's not me. If

43:38

there's the stove that's not me. That's all

43:40

her. That is her realm. So it's really

43:42

interesting how we fell into that during the

43:44

pandemic and we just kept that going. But

43:47

it's weird. She won't take out the trash. I won't

43:49

do the dishes. You got to find what

43:51

works for you. You got to find what works for you. Now

43:53

I love now this is a chore that I love. I

43:55

love doing a laundry. You

43:58

do? I love doing a laundry. Fold

44:00

into I love it like it is like it is

44:02

my one of my favorite things to do when I'm

44:04

at home I love

44:06

doing a laundry. I love it. I've

44:09

got fabric softeners. I've got the pie

44:12

You are I do it

44:14

all like I love doing like I don't

44:16

know why I don't know why and how

44:18

I fell into this But I love doing

44:20

a laundry like I'm just like babe. You

44:22

got any larger view. Yeah a laundry for me Like I'm

44:24

getting excited like you know when you get the doggy treats

44:27

for the dogs Like that's how I am with laundry like

44:29

getting laundry for me to do I can't wait to do

44:31

laundry That is one of my favorite things

44:33

to do wow All

44:36

right, I got another one for you guys holding. Do you have

44:39

a chore you enjoy doing I'm I love

44:41

Organizing reorganizing cleaning out like I will pick

44:43

yesterday. I cleaned out the entire closet in

44:45

my bedroom I was like all right I'm

44:47

gonna do this today while I was watching

44:49

the NBA I will reorganize everything in the

44:51

kitchen if there's ever dishes in the sink

44:53

I'll put them in the dirty and then

44:55

the dishwasher I hate the only

44:57

thing I hate is taking the dishes out of the

44:59

dishwasher for some reason I don't like putting the dishes

45:01

away. I'm cool putting them in I don't know why

45:03

I don't like I'm taking them I'm not in love

45:06

with folding, but I'll clean it all times. I have

45:08

no problem cleaning at all and reorganizing I'm I think

45:10

I'm pretty good like that all right. You got to

45:12

watch this though, and we got to describe the audience

45:15

So the Hornets have a guy in their team named poku

45:17

he used to be on the Thunder well He

45:20

did something yesterday He

45:23

in bounded the ball to the ref. He

45:25

thought the ref was on his team He

45:29

did not realize the ref was the ref

45:33

In the Hornets win against the Cavs Legit

45:37

in bounded the ball to the ref which

45:39

bounced off of the ref out of bounds

45:43

He ain't gonna be on a team next year. I

45:45

can promise you that Yeah, go

45:47

be on a team. I mean mind-boggling.

45:49

Oh, all right last one here Charlotte

45:51

Hornets have been out of the playoffs for like

45:54

what eight years for the entirety of their franchise

45:56

since LJ and Morning basically at this point. It's

45:58

bad. It's very bad Alright, last

46:00

one, I gotta make sure I get this in,

46:02

especially the WNBA Draft tonight. Caitlin Clark on Saturday

46:05

and I have... Women's basketball is kicking butt right

46:07

now. Dawn Staley, Rolls-Royce

46:09

Championship Parade. Rolls-Royce

46:12

convertible, driving around South Carolina with

46:14

a title parade. Did you think

46:16

the Louis Vuitton Dawn was gonna show up in

46:18

any other way? Other than in

46:20

style? That's pretty amazing

46:23

though, Smalls. That's awesome. That she's

46:25

just rocking the Rolls-Royce convertible, South

46:28

Carolina. Is that her Rolls-Royce convertible? It is

46:30

now. It is now.

46:33

It is now. Just saying. Her Rolls-Royce convertible,

46:35

no dealer plates, no leases, it's all dog

46:37

on sale. Fresh white. No question. Greeny coming

46:39

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