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the way we think about medicine and

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ourselves. He was also just some oh

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to hear all about which he and

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over jammed about and learn from games,

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endless pull of medical knowledge and wisdom

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or on the heart and the mind.

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Boggling. For. For that

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introduction which is as grow our hadn't says

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bar than pure. Let's

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say hello welcome and so is a wonderful to

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have their. To be her! Thank you for

2:43

having me. Thank you! So first question

2:45

inquiring minds want to know how

2:47

is jamming with Oprah and Super

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Bowl Sunday? Oh well.

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I wouldn't want basketball of Michael Jordan.

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Hours of your lower ones are Andrew

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Yeah, I get all of. She's

3:01

wonderful. I I would have a privilege

3:03

of knowing Hope or for many many

3:05

years. Ah and it was wonderful to

3:07

for An and me to be interviewed

3:09

by her at her home in Maui.

3:12

I was just a beautiful in every

3:14

sense of the word and is nice

3:16

to reconnect so come over as a

3:18

way of really bringing out the most

3:20

personal things. That most people would talk about

3:22

except maybe you and so we can talk about

3:25

some of those today with you mentioned earlier that

3:27

he wanted to talk about happiness and we spent

3:29

a lot of our interview talking to about us

3:31

that so I'd be fun to have to get

3:33

the dive into. that was you today. Islands.

3:36

Died in the happiness. And

3:40

when you consider to be some of the preconditions

3:42

for happiness whereas some of the happiest points in

3:44

your life. Well.

3:47

My. Interview with a proxy server One

3:49

of the saddest sons of my life

3:51

which was when I was killed myself

3:54

and I was nineteen and and of

3:56

in the depths of despair or and

3:58

darkness and all the things. Along with

4:00

that, and are you know one of the

4:02

hallmarks of depression is the sense of helplessness

4:04

of hopelessness. And I think that comes from

4:06

this reality to source, and where you think

4:09

that you're actually seeing things clearly for the

4:11

first time when you're profoundly depressed and some

4:13

real distorts reality and you're convinced that things

4:15

are bad. They've always been bad and they

4:17

will always be bad at any time you

4:19

thought Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself. And so

4:21

that's when he said you know any your

4:23

life and Li becomes an eye on eyes

4:26

as kill myself in a dead people look

4:28

like they're happy and I'm really miserable. So

4:30

let me let me try that on.

4:32

I later learned that when you kill

4:34

yourself you you you kill your body

4:36

is fearless on it. I just don't

4:38

have a body and who saw this

4:40

and problems and homeless opportunity? Credible a

4:42

big messenger way. But that's how I

4:44

got interested in com or life's work

4:46

was on. Eyes. A

4:48

long story, but a short version is I

4:50

withdrew from school, went on to Dallas I

4:53

I. I got so sick physically from running

4:55

my body down so much that I little

4:57

didn't have the energy to kill myself. I

4:59

got a horrible case of infectious moto. You

5:02

need to keep people in the world saved by disease.

5:04

Yes, I was only saved by disease and

5:06

was is a great some lesson in life. Sometimes

5:09

the things that you think a really awful

5:11

of the ones that are actually lifesaving and that

5:13

was furniture for me. ah because I didn't really

5:15

have you ever even to get out of bed

5:17

and so my plan as crazy as it sounds

5:20

was to go home and with my parents and

5:22

I'm gonna sense of how mess up i was

5:24

in his came down saw direct I was

5:26

a one hundred dollars and the fire was to

5:28

get physically strong enough to kill myself. Wow.

5:33

This. Is a Nineteen Seventy January Nineteen Seventy

5:35

Two. My older sister I've been a

5:37

child of the sixties and ah, was

5:39

have the lot by an ecumenical spiritual

5:41

teacher named Swampy. such as Abundant. And

5:43

so my parents decided I'm a cocktail

5:45

party for the Swami. This isn't even

5:48

today. This will be weird and dollars.

5:50

But. It was ago

5:52

was really fun and down and so

5:54

and walks the south central casting looking

5:56

guy from vog of as what us

5:58

while me should look like. Not

6:00

a little saying when the soon is ready to

6:02

teach her peers and that was certainly true for

6:05

me and he began election are Living Room assault

6:07

song and he started off by saying or nothing

6:09

can bring you lasting happiness which I'd already figured

6:11

out which is why want to kill myself except

6:13

he was glowing and radio that I was about

6:16

ready to do my cellphone so I remember Thank

6:18

you I what am I missing here alone don't

6:20

actually saw validating even to hear him say that

6:22

that nothing and bring lasting happiness because everyone else

6:25

you know what I was how ya just get

6:27

married and get rich and famous and you know

6:29

you'll be. Happy and I knew that wasn't

6:31

true. And so the combination of feeling like

6:33

I was super that was ever going to

6:35

mount have anything it even if I had

6:37

it would matter anyway was profoundly depressing. So

6:40

here's somebody can validate my misery and away

6:42

or that things don't bring lasting happiness was

6:44

initially validate, but I thought what am I

6:46

missing here cause he looks really happened under

6:48

hi I'm Anything Butter and he went on

6:50

to say was probably sounds like a new

6:52

a cliche but it turned my life around

6:54

the time which was that nothing can bring

6:56

lasting happiness. As a bad news that I'd

6:58

figured out that the corollary. To that is

7:01

that you haven't already. We all do

7:03

that. It's or nature to be happy

7:05

and peaceful. Unhealthy fall with rare exceptions.

7:07

An impromptu the ultimate irony and paradox.

7:09

Not being mindful of that when the

7:11

running after all these things that are

7:13

culturally tells us we're going to make

7:15

us happy and say gossip only I

7:17

have more. Blacks. More money,

7:19

more power, More sacks were beauty. More

7:21

accomplice. Warm water. Whatever. If only I

7:24

had more whatever then I'd be happy.

7:26

Then people love even I wouldn't feel

7:28

so lonely isolated in life. And because.

7:31

Know. What I learned from the Swami was that.

7:34

Once. You set of that view of the world

7:36

and not only are cultural, the whole advertising industry

7:38

in a reinforces that no matter how it turns

7:40

out you're going to, you're unhappy with us until

7:42

you get it in. Are you feel stress and

7:45

on? How do I? Hope I get it. You

7:47

know that a sex go up as much as

7:49

winning or losing has been a winner or loser

7:51

that's on the line and losers in I thought

7:53

of nobody wants to be around I'll be even

7:55

more lonely and isolated. Winners: Everybody wants to love

7:57

of the happy So the says the steaks go.

8:00

So the stresses go up. So until you

8:02

get addicted strauss until the someone else his

8:04

didn't you don't then it's really unhappy. In

8:06

a makes you think while we really live

8:08

in this kind of Donald Trump, Doggie Dog

8:10

does zero sum game view of the world

8:13

the more you get the lesser. As for

8:15

me and your go around ones that are

8:17

get a while you can almost. You don't

8:19

know if we're kind of commercials but even

8:21

if we get it is seductive in the

8:23

moment because it's like off I got it

8:26

now. Unhappy except invariably doesn't last as it

8:28

is like what is Now what one. Of

8:30

my patients years ago said you know the view

8:32

of the mountain climb. I can't even enjoy the

8:34

view from the mountain on Klein. aren't looking over

8:36

the next one or if is not, know what

8:39

it's off. So what big deal? It doesn't really

8:41

provide that lasting sense of meaning and people say

8:43

well, you know I pod the Led down. The

8:45

comes from accomplishing a goal is so great. I

8:47

always make sure I have a dozen other projects

8:49

going on at the same time so I can

8:52

immediately chef my attention to that. Sets

8:55

either now, water, so on. And.

8:57

So with as well he said

8:59

it said, the goal of all

9:01

the spiritual practices that we call

9:03

meditation for example or yoga was

9:05

stress management or really so much

9:07

more than stress management. You know

9:09

the ancients on Swami is and

9:11

rabbis and priests and monks and

9:13

nuns and mullahs and whatever didn't

9:15

develop these techniques and practices to

9:17

unclog their arteries, are a performer,

9:19

sports or his blood pressure down

9:21

or. He didn't cel. Yeah, Yeah.

9:24

Whatever on their actually powerful techniques for

9:26

quieting down or mind and body to

9:28

enable us experience was already there. And

9:31

other words arm our our natures to

9:33

be happy and peaceful and not be

9:35

mindful of that. As I mentioned, we

9:37

will run, ask for things that we

9:39

think we're going to bring us what

9:42

we we we could have already have

9:44

to stop doing that. The Frogs the

9:46

ultimate irony retired us and I'm in

9:48

a later. Them. Swami. Like to

9:50

my palms people's at what he the hindu is a know

9:53

I'm and undo what's As for the title of a my

9:55

new book came from. His

9:57

and that is that these techniques don't bring you a

9:59

sense of peace. Well being but rather at

10:01

least temporarily they hop as quiet down or

10:03

minded body loves experience that is already there

10:05

and then the question says radically from how

10:07

can I get what I think I need

10:09

in order to be happy and healthy lovable

10:12

to how can I to stop disturbing was

10:14

already there what am I doing that for

10:16

serving again not to blame myself a to

10:18

empower myself as of is out there than

10:20

everyone and everything that has something that I

10:22

think I need to be happy has power

10:24

over me. but if it's me than I

10:26

can is than the question goes what am

10:28

I doing to deserve that inner peace than

10:31

I can do something about that And I

10:33

found that to be profoundly liberating and so

10:35

I decided that okay by me I moved

10:37

plan killing myself down to plant be in

10:39

on me try those words saw that he

10:41

said you know if you in a plant

10:43

based diet which was a big change for

10:45

me having grown up in Texas eating meat

10:48

three or four five times a day and

10:50

issue on you know meditative exercise and have

10:52

more loving your life and that will do

10:54

it So I thought okay let me let

10:56

me give that a tried and I couldn't

10:58

even you know said so long. Enough to.

11:02

Meditate. For a minute I could really have

11:04

my the newspaper until You Five Minutes Later on his

11:06

son. But I began to do this and. I.

11:09

Began to get glimpses of what assault like to

11:11

be peaceful. not because I got something I thought

11:13

I needed in this case going to medical school

11:15

for getting into medical school but rather at least

11:18

for the moment I wasn't a sermon, what was

11:20

there and as completely changed my life and I

11:22

was able to go back to school in our

11:24

i went from being solution like I was a

11:27

total fraud and worthless and super to your. I

11:29

graduated first in my class who gave the baccalaureate

11:31

Another southerner say that not to brag but to

11:33

save I express both ends of that spectrum And

11:36

a profound irony was that when I thought I

11:38

had to. Get and do all these

11:40

things to be happy. A lovable I couldn't function

11:42

at all. When. I began to begin

11:44

with to be more in really define

11:46

enough, just fleetingly synergistic. Make that connection

11:48

or it. I was able to perform

11:51

in a much higher levels And the

11:53

other thing that happens is that when

11:55

you quiet down your mind and body

11:57

it provides you access to knowledge, known

11:59

innocence of. And happiness. But also

12:01

are you begin to hear that?

12:04

In or Wisdom your own inner swami, your

12:06

interviewer, your and are still small voice within

12:09

a goes by different names A different calls

12:11

resist the voice said or on your wisdom

12:13

is the one it wakes up in three

12:15

the morning and said hey, didn't listen up

12:17

his attention you're not doing something as your

12:19

best centrists and I learned that I can

12:21

access advice much were intentionally everyone can And

12:24

so the end of a meditation whether it's

12:26

done with of you know a Montreux are

12:28

mindful of us are using a muse has

12:30

had or whatever. When you get to that

12:32

inner peaceful, say what I've. Learned to do

12:34

is at the end about to ask that

12:37

inner voice to say hello. You know it's

12:39

crazy that sounds and and will say hello

12:41

as a Holiday Inn is hop and on.

12:43

It may speak of your voice and they

12:45

speak in someone elses wise but you'll learn

12:47

to recognize it. Sometimes it's word, sometimes it's

12:49

symbols are or tax serve or whatever. but

12:51

for me as words and I'll and I've

12:54

learned to ask that in with him. A

12:56

very simple but for thousand question which was.

12:59

What? Am I not paying attention to that?

13:01

I need to pay attention to and then

13:03

just solicit And it will tell me that

13:05

all of the Saudis that we've done over

13:07

the last forty years, all of which people

13:09

thought were impossible always sort of them came

13:12

from out listening to that boys Than kind

13:14

of reverse engineering to see how can I

13:16

design a study to see if this is

13:18

true enough. And the other than that happens

13:20

if you take it even deeper is that

13:22

A gives you a profound sense of transcendence

13:24

that on one level were separate. You know

13:26

you're you. And I mean we can enjoy

13:28

having this dialog. But on another

13:31

level or part of something larger that

13:33

connects us said it says you know

13:35

you and different forms on even to

13:37

give it a name is a limit

13:39

was essentially on an affable limitless experience

13:41

of of wonders of transcendence of non

13:43

duality goes by different names. For me

13:45

anything that. Creates. Intimacy

13:47

is healing. Even the word healing comes

13:50

from there to make whole and yoga

13:52

from the Sanskrit to yolks unite union.

13:54

These are really old ideas that were

13:57

rediscovered and so. Anything

13:59

that brings us. Gather whether it's which mean

14:01

people, the time you spend with your friends and

14:03

your family in your loved ones and the Democrats

14:05

are kind of intimacy and can be romantic. A

14:07

can be sexual, It can be a father, son

14:10

her father, daughter, mother, daughter of me with a

14:12

dog Can be with anything. Takes you out of

14:14

being separate only separate. Is. Profoundly healing

14:16

can only. Be. Intimate to

14:19

the degree that you can open your heart

14:21

and be with emotionally vulnerable you are You

14:23

can always you that to the degree feel

14:25

safe and so all these simple techniques really

14:27

designed to create that sense of intimacy is

14:29

profoundly she'll it And then you can go

14:32

out on the world and often accomplish even

14:34

more. but intentionality behind it is very different

14:36

and so the in the likewise. Not.

14:38

Only is there an intimacy between people

14:40

are having a pet or anything but

14:43

also to the center you feel that

14:45

sense of transcendence said non dual experience

14:47

where your intimate with the entire universe.

14:50

And. So for me haven't gone through while

14:52

almost killed me. but you know in retrospect

14:54

was the most beautiful gifts that I had

14:56

because I never would have gotten interested in

14:58

these things otherwise. I can tell you how

15:01

many patients have come after me over the

15:03

years and same things like a while having

15:05

a heart attack was the best thing that

15:07

ever happened to me are getting diagnosed with

15:09

prostate cancer or whatever and the first time

15:11

I heard that while I was not so

15:13

they say no that's what it took to

15:15

get my attention to begin incorporating sinks into

15:17

my life and I never would have done

15:20

before. I'm rediscovering in or sources

15:22

of peace and joy and love and

15:24

well being unable to perform at a

15:26

higher level on having these experiences with

15:29

my with my beloved better the most

15:31

erotic experiences I've ever had in or

15:33

whatever arena happens to be an of

15:36

when we go to that place of

15:38

stillness and wonders and ah an inner

15:40

peace the paradoxes of they survived so

15:43

much more joyful and successful at meaningful

15:45

at healthy and happy. Certainly.

15:47

Have a little bit about the biology

15:49

around that much physically is happening to

15:51

get that tasted and at peace. Like.

15:54

Physically is hop on biological level on

15:56

a great max and the last yelling.

15:59

Well. Are. They have a remarkable capacity to

16:01

begin healing. I'm much more quickly than

16:03

I had once realize when I started

16:05

doing this work. You know, forty two

16:07

years ago, it saw a continually a

16:09

source of amazement in delight. To.

16:11

See that if we simply stopped doing

16:13

was causing the problem, our bodies can

16:15

begin to heal. And. As

16:18

you mentioned I have great a your call

16:20

I saw Madison which is using lifestyle changes

16:22

settling to help to prevent but actually to

16:25

treat and even reverse the most common chronic

16:27

diseases and the more diseases with Saudi in

16:29

the more underlying biological mechanisms. We look at

16:31

the more scientific evidence we have to show

16:33

how powerful these techniques are and how quickly

16:36

people can get better to the degree that

16:38

they do them at any age. and so.

16:41

In. My new book on Do It!

16:43

My wife and I are are presenting

16:45

this. Radical. Unifying theory which

16:47

is sad. I. Was paused

16:49

like all daughters that. All.

16:51

These different diseases heart disease and diabetes

16:54

and prostate cancer and Alzheimer's and so

16:56

on. Different diseases, different diagnoses, different treatments

16:58

for what I've kinda realize over the

17:00

for decades of conducting research and sad

17:02

was it's that we found that one

17:04

set of die lifestyle recommendations could reverse

17:07

heart disease and a different one for

17:09

cancer or diabetes or whatever. It was

17:11

the same for all of them. And

17:14

what I'm realizing and it's kind

17:16

of an elegantly simple as profound

17:18

theory was, is that. They're.

17:20

Really the same disease manifesting and

17:22

masquerading and different forms you know

17:25

wants to these chronic diseases and

17:27

that's why the have the because

17:29

they all share the same underlying

17:31

biological mechanisms things like chronic emotional

17:33

stress ah, over simulation of the

17:35

sympathetic nervous system, oxidative stress changes

17:37

in the microbiome and telomeres and

17:39

gene expression and as regenesis and

17:41

so on. and each one of

17:44

these mechanisms in turn is directly

17:46

influence five what we eat, how

17:48

we respond to stress, how much

17:50

exercise. We get our mothers support we

17:52

have were to radically simplified even further

17:54

know he well move more stress last

17:57

lot more boom that set and again

17:59

that more. These as we thought a

18:01

them or mechanisms will look at the

18:03

more evidence we show that and you

18:05

know with all this talk about personalized

18:07

medicine and so on I think if

18:09

you're talking about of you know a

18:11

targeted immunotherapy for a particular cell type

18:13

of melanoma, pancreatic cancer, That's awesome. but

18:15

for the vast majority of chronic diseases,

18:17

it's the same lifestyle prescription for all

18:19

of them because it's really the same

18:21

disease that keeps manifesting a different forms.

18:23

And that's why we're able to show

18:25

how quickly people can get better in

18:28

ways that they can feel. Which.

18:30

Have been makes it much more sustainable because it's

18:32

like you sir to connect the dots it with

18:34

what you do and how you feel like out

18:36

what I eat. This will I do that? I

18:38

feel bad when I do that I don't feel

18:40

so good. If you got heart disease I do

18:42

this my chest pain goes away. I I could

18:45

walk across the street people say before I'd without

18:47

getting says favor for life changes I could make

18:49

love with my partner, I couldn't play with my

18:51

kids. I could go back to work without getting

18:53

and hundred suspect than a week or two of

18:55

was you are paint free. The researchers said things

18:57

like oh I get at nino on. Is

19:00

all about just preventing something bad from happening

19:02

here. Sound the road. These are changes dramatically

19:04

improve the quality of my life. Rise, you're

19:06

right now. and because what I gained so

19:09

much more the what I give up that

19:11

makes unsustainable. For. Small that's incredibly profound.

19:13

and anybody who's struggling were causing disease

19:15

is so many people have strange diseases

19:17

the doctors can't seem to solve any

19:19

different doctors, don't You don't know what

19:22

dance as and in so many ways

19:24

some of the answer is right. Yeah,

19:26

fun of yeah. But you know, really?

19:28

Break. Down the biology answered. So Loving

19:31

Snacks and for example, we can talk about

19:33

the fact that loving connection leads to less

19:35

disease. Can you take a step by step

19:37

to the biology of what's really happening? While

19:40

it's it was. but but the sec loving

19:42

as the force you to love more he

19:44

well the worst, restless lot more. So how

19:46

does love or work a lot more works

19:48

the same way that all these other things

19:51

work because as it is. But if you

19:53

go in the book with we go kind

19:55

of mechanism by mechanism. So we know for

19:57

example that people are lonely and isolated in

19:59

the depressed or. Three to ten times more

20:01

likely to get sick and die prematurely when compared

20:03

to those have a sense of love and connection.

20:05

The community. I know anything and Madison and has

20:08

that kind of impact in for indirect ways, in

20:10

an indirect ways, indirectly through mechanisms that we we

20:12

can talk about in a moment, indirectly because of

20:14

our behavior you know and doing this study's I

20:16

had the chance to in own and spend a

20:19

lot of time with the same group of patients,

20:21

have repaired of many years without to know each

20:23

other really well. And and this as a you

20:25

know teach me something. Why do you smoke? Why

20:28

The ovary? Why do you drink too much. While

20:30

you do substances you know or while you

20:32

work all the time while you pokemon video

20:34

games his behavior seem so so are harmful

20:37

and maladaptive to me and a look bit

20:39

ago. Did. You don't

20:41

get it is a hit or have a

20:43

clue. these behaviors are maladaptive. They're very adaptive

20:45

because they help us deal with our loneliness

20:47

or pain or depression or isolation. You know

20:49

there's been a radical shift in our culture

20:51

our last fifty or sixty years with the

20:53

breakdown of the social that are as he

20:55

used to give people a sense of love

20:57

and connection. Community You know, Fifty sixty years

20:59

ago people had an extended family they saw

21:01

regular. they had a job with saw by

21:03

that a bit out. for ten years or

21:05

more They hundred ah neighborhood was for three

21:07

generations of people Are those that they saw

21:09

regular. they had a church. Or synagogue or

21:11

a club or a mosque or whatever that they

21:13

went to regulate and many people that I don't

21:16

have any of those things and with have price

21:18

for that Because winter, grow up and an extended

21:20

family they know you and I just know your

21:22

Facebook profile or your bios. Catch her of it

21:24

all and I since you said about me at

21:27

the beginning of the site introduction they know all

21:29

of you, they know you're dark side, they know

21:31

where you mess up our they know that time

21:33

you've got arrested or you are a drug overdose

21:35

or you broke a window or a god. Whatever

21:37

it was you know and you know that they

21:40

know and they. Know that, You know. Honey still love

21:42

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21:44

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that yourself. For. Sad about that. One

23:32

of the studies that we quoted that workers

23:34

a study that shows the more time you

23:36

spend on Facebook the more depressed your and

23:38

the reason is because it's not an authentic

23:40

enema. See it looks like he was his

23:42

post their best life You know it's like

23:44

everybody has is perfect life of me. You

23:46

know their they aren't for the Eiffel Tower

23:48

there they are Whatever. We all do that

23:50

to some degree but in our support groups

23:52

would try to recreate what you have growing

23:54

up with an extended family where people are

23:56

encouraged to let down their emotional defenses into

23:58

talk openly and authentically about. Going on and

24:00

realize without fear that someone's going to judge

24:02

them, are criticizing or give them club advice

24:05

or whatever. it's only has a way of

24:07

making feel more sanford and someone else to

24:09

say Gosh, you normally look like. The.

24:11

Perfect father but I you know I really messed

24:13

up badly. You you know my kids antonym heroin

24:15

use extreme example in some ios months a while

24:18

so the have a lot he sent her diary

24:20

have program the say wow that must be really

24:22

awful. My kids got some problem sir I've got

24:24

some problems or whatever settling it doesn't six the

24:27

fact that this guy's got problems with his kids

24:29

when it fixes everything in terms of the same

24:31

and isolation and loneliness and depression. the come with

24:33

a. I've had patients say things like i've got

24:35

twenty friends and it's pack of cigarettes and are

24:38

always there for me and nobody else has gonna

24:40

take away my. Twenty friends were they going

24:42

to give me for food? Fill that void

24:44

or alcohol or opioids or and we have

24:47

an opioid epidemic or ah other drugs numb

24:49

the pain or video games numb the pain

24:51

or working all the time is of or

24:53

so successor boy of them in the pain

24:55

and so and our approach we take we

24:58

say one of the other from the swami

25:00

was he kept saying what is the cause

25:02

you know said of literally or favorably bypassing

25:04

the probably like I often show a cartoon

25:07

what I lecture doctors busily mopping up the

25:09

floor on the sink. it's over. find. That

25:11

nobody starting off a faucet it was like

25:13

hello guys it's has these these medications to

25:15

lower my blood pressure, my cholesterol and blood

25:18

sugar of the doctor says robert like how

25:20

long as a mop up with Laura like

25:22

forever like a one we just turn off

25:24

a faucet and over an hour we find

25:26

again or bought is often have a remarkable

25:28

capacity to begin healing and under a doctor's

25:30

supervision many people and perhaps most people can

25:33

reduce her get off his medications that were

25:35

told it has to take for the rest

25:37

of their lives and they can off at

25:39

avoid having a center a bypass. Aura Radical

25:41

Prostatectomy. Your kid off these medications and

25:43

you know it, half the population today

25:46

is diabetic are pre diabetic. The getting

25:48

your blood sugar down with drugs as

25:50

worth nearly as well as getting his

25:52

i would lysol to prevent all these

25:54

horrible complications. And unlike most things we

25:56

do they always how a Saxon lifestyle

25:58

or good what's inside. There's a convergence

26:00

of forces as finally making this or

26:03

I'll idea at the right time that

26:05

we've It's not enough to focus on

26:07

information and they were drowning information in

26:09

the interim. Google eyes on enough to

26:11

focus on behaviors we need to focus

26:13

on what's really motivating that and for

26:15

many people it's has profound sense of

26:17

loneliness and isolation and so whatever mechanism

26:19

you're looking at up his studies as

26:22

far from as in a Sunday with

26:24

also Apple thought that are women who

26:26

are caregivers of. Of parents

26:28

with Alzheimer's or kids with Autism, the

26:30

more stress a reporter feeling, the shorter

26:32

telomeres work on, and there was a

26:34

nine to seventeen year reduction in their

26:37

lifespan and of high stress first with

26:39

a low stress women. But what I

26:41

found was even more interesting was that.

26:44

It wasn't an objective measure of stress,

26:46

it was a women's perception of of

26:48

the determined it's effect on their telomeres.

26:50

And so you can have two women

26:53

at very similar life situations or and

26:55

yet one was coping with the better.

26:57

They were meditating. They were exercising, they

26:59

were eating healthier. They have a lot of

27:01

social support and so they could buffer mitigate

27:03

the effects of that. So as much as

27:06

what's out there, it's hungry answer what's out

27:08

there which is often a function of how

27:10

we perceive the world and is other social

27:12

factors that can do that. So we in

27:15

the book I kind of go through mechanism

27:17

by mechanism. How for example, not having of

27:19

love and isolation. Having a lot of loneliness

27:21

and depression in isolation can increase your risk

27:24

of premature deaths and suffering. Ah, through all

27:26

these different mechanisms, your. Sympathetic Nervous System

27:28

this chronically simulated your telomeres is shorter as

27:31

opposed to others by for like the of

27:33

the first study. so we can actually length

27:35

and telomeres when people meditate and do the

27:37

kinds of things have said veteran that we

27:40

talk about in our new book under the

27:42

program you know I'm so whatever mechanism is

27:44

whether it's sympathetic Nervous System changes in a

27:46

microbiome, changes and telomeres. We saw the over

27:49

five hundred genes were changed to three months

27:51

when people made his lifestyle changes, turning on

27:53

the genes a keep us healthy turning off

27:56

a gene that causes to get. Sick

27:58

critically about the genes a cause. This

28:00

is an inclination them and profit in breast

28:02

and colon cancer and Alzheimer's and so on.

28:04

It's origins are predisposition, but our genes are

28:06

not our faith and so the more we

28:09

learn about these things and will we cannot

28:11

have radically simplifies. I love all I both

28:13

things we do as doctors. the only side

28:15

effects are good ones to the degree that

28:17

you make his changes. We found a you're

28:20

likely to get better every way we can

28:22

measure. I initially thought that some younger patients

28:24

who had less severe disease would would would

28:26

show more improvement but I was wrong it

28:29

was and how old. Are how sick they were.

28:31

the more they changed the better they got at any

28:33

age was his of and really powerful message to get

28:35

people. It's amazing. So.

28:38

I know loving connection or something. name

28:40

is Terry meaningful T and it actually

28:42

give me some great relationship. It's I

28:44

seventy as a new and has such

28:46

as beautiful dynamic with one another you

28:48

in your life can you talk to

28:51

us a little that about some of

28:53

the and out mindset he is some

28:55

of the things he is that allow.

28:57

It. To the it as such a beautiful, flourishing relationship and

28:59

things that we may be able to learn from. Well.

29:03

I'm learning everyday from her as is

29:05

why I, my teacher, I'm I'm using

29:07

my lover and my best friend and

29:09

my partner and we've been working together

29:11

now for more than twenty years and

29:13

I'm part of what I've learned is

29:16

that hum he though haven't grown up

29:18

in the sixties when it was all

29:20

about gonna do your own thing and

29:22

free love and ah, commitments are bad

29:24

and all that is what I realize

29:26

is that. Commitment

29:29

is actually liberated. And.

29:31

That the more committed you are, the more

29:33

for you Become an Emmy? Sound like a

29:35

real paradox? Know. This

29:38

is true for lifestyle as well as for

29:40

our relationship. Sit up front of a case

29:42

of dying at all. Spiritual traditions have dietary

29:44

guidelines and some you can he does. but

29:46

as bad as hard as a waitress or

29:49

time to the day or two months a

29:51

year or whatever and there's sometimes a complement

29:53

each other, but I think whatever in transit

29:55

benefit as of a concert. Dietary Changes: Sissy

29:57

Active choosing not to do something Abusers: Choice.

30:00

That would mean it when I was in

30:02

college in our society depressed summer and I

30:04

can take all the the media out of

30:06

something I was. we talked about earlier and

30:08

who cares? So what big deal? Nothing matters,

30:10

Why bother you know all of that. The

30:12

later I learned that we can actually. Put.

30:14

Meaning back into our allies in one way

30:16

to do that as by actually choosing not

30:18

to do certain things. I think that's why

30:21

all spiritual path how to have dietary guidelines

30:23

again just the act of choosing not to

30:25

do anything. Is that deprivation or can be

30:27

or isn't. Helping. You find

30:29

that meaning Wyatt. Why am I not eating

30:31

certain things? Well gosh, I mean one of

30:34

things at my wife and lives as people's

30:36

like party here on one of live Longer

30:38

Why do you want to live longer? Oh

30:40

no one's around without before it melts Town

30:42

isn't a in the Harris has here in

30:44

Silicon Valley. There's like everyone wants to live

30:46

forever like can I just as reminds in

30:49

homes brain into a silicon chip on. It.

30:51

When you get people to at and so on

30:54

and on. there was a wrestler that why when

30:56

I was my kids grow up I wanna dance

30:58

with her wedding I wanna make love with my

31:00

partner. I was A by the book. Whatever it

31:02

happens to be. You know this because of my

31:05

back to sixty or seventy years ago when Viktor

31:07

Frankl wrote out a book. Comments hurts Remaining know

31:09

oncentration camp survivors worth a strong. As for the

31:11

healthiest, their use of the ones have a strong

31:14

sense of meaning and purpose. I have to survive

31:16

so that I can whatever know, bear witness, be

31:18

reunited with my loved ones whatever it happens to

31:20

be. So getting people. In touch with a

31:23

sense of meaning and purpose is is

31:25

really cheap and then from our relationships

31:27

and point I realized that. You

31:29

know you tunnel as we talked briefly before. You

31:32

can only be intimate with someone to the degree

31:34

that you can be emotionally vulnerable. You can open

31:36

your heart metaphorically, and you can only do that

31:38

to the degree you feel safe and so. You're

31:41

here in Silicon Valley there's all this polyamory

31:43

and months you the more people you can

31:45

have sex with of the more fun it is

31:47

more for your and I went through you

31:49

know in college my own version of added

31:51

it is fun but what I learned with

31:53

in my relationship with and is how much more

31:56

fun it can be that the more intimate it

31:58

is the more erotic it because. And

32:00

rather than having the same kind of relationship with

32:02

different people, we have this. He knows there's a

32:04

and inside. A hundred years ago rom a Christian

32:07

who says you can take a lot of shallow

32:09

wells and every water you can do what the

32:11

upon or is the wellspring. And so then we

32:13

decided to commit fully and completely to each other,

32:16

not only for this lifetime but all lifetime succumb

32:18

to so there's no wiggle her. And

32:21

said and and one of thing and and

32:24

so a lot of things over the Alameda

32:26

Psychomotor can expand. The first is that if

32:28

you're totally committed to someone. You. Know

32:30

that eventually if we have a fight with a

32:32

good so good place right? So as I okay

32:34

what we were know we're going to be together

32:36

forever if we if we have breaking up, getting

32:39

divorced off the table. I'm. Why? Don't we

32:41

just learned the lesson and go straight to that

32:43

happy place and leave out that all that stuff

32:45

in the middle that so it's a horrible on

32:47

and if you're totally are committed to the other

32:49

person you can actually do that and is it

32:51

we're We're finding ways of of joy of where

32:53

we can get to that good place faster and

32:55

faster. And fled the lessons that

32:57

islands and you actually once told me

32:59

that whenever you have a disagreement with

33:01

and you ask your sauce evolve as

33:03

get us is disappointed in sand and

33:05

most of the time it's not see

33:08

you just jump to the and and

33:10

that's something that I've really internalized and

33:12

I really apply in my life here

33:14

with my husband. Whenever we start to

33:16

get some the it's like is this

33:18

went in and nope and seven all

33:20

of that discomfort on and uncertainty and

33:22

desire to be grade and you know.

33:25

It's aggressive with one another just off

33:27

the table. Because you know the place

33:29

that you're gonna get to at the end is so

33:31

much better. Just jump to their. Enemies

33:33

giving up the sense of the the be right because

33:35

of I'm rise of his You need to be wrong.

33:37

As if you're wrong and agree happy that you're not

33:39

happy another be happy. So what are the to be

33:41

wrong? The real question is what can I learn from

33:44

That's how can we be cleaners for each other. Because.

33:46

We really have to trust each other hand was

33:48

he says something to me. I know this is

33:50

trying to give me a gift here and she's

33:52

my teacher had and hopefully I can do that

33:54

for her as well. And that's how we learn

33:56

and grow. So takes it out of the realm

33:58

of am I right? The Wrong to what

34:00

can we learn from this? Let's learn it and

34:03

let's not ago and as can we got fewer

34:05

being happy in the loving again and everything that

34:07

I learned is that. Again, The

34:09

more intimate as the more erotic at his. And

34:11

to me great sachs her great news or her

34:14

grade science or great art or great. Anything.

34:16

Comes from. That. Place of beginners,

34:18

might you know without preconceptions. I I

34:21

work my way to school as a

34:23

photographer and I as a courtroom studio.

34:25

Wouldn't. Know when I was fourteen and I

34:27

work for our wanna leave photographers in Dallas

34:29

where I grew up from twelve to fourteen

34:31

was his apprentice album on part of studio

34:33

and a this big pictures of people and

34:35

try to make him look better than they

34:37

were. you know expect that what's a photoshop.

34:39

It was airbrushing and retouching and invited. ah

34:41

in the way you lie people and and

34:43

so on. And then I when I went

34:45

to college I transfer the nurse who taxes

34:47

from my last two years I could study

34:49

with a photographer and Juri when a grand

34:51

who was one of the great photographers the

34:54

twentieth century. you just have a little. Like

34:56

around and was photographing things as they are

34:58

not try to manipulate them into looking better

35:00

than they were and he put a picture

35:02

of other while he was a great teacher

35:04

and in so what do you see and

35:06

I'd say well he was icy. Those who

35:08

they will have you know some of those

35:10

have a gun right outside the frame or

35:12

how do you know this or had a

35:14

religious challenging? Our preconceptions and our preconceptions are

35:16

really what limit us from through innovation is

35:18

opposing imitation and so it goes back to

35:20

talking to that intervoice without and and and

35:22

and trying to hear that and so. When.

35:25

We approach when and an eye on

35:27

and decide to have a date together.

35:29

We're not trying to recreate and experience

35:32

that with have before however delightful are

35:34

wonderful that experience one of them were

35:36

going and said look I totally trust

35:39

you I totally can open and be

35:41

vulnerable to you physically, emotionally spiritually on

35:43

and are less trust is process and

35:45

see what emerges and what emerges. Probably

35:48

you know Eight or nine times out

35:50

of ten is the most intimate, erotic,

35:52

sexual beautiful. Five for Joy Fall Transcendent.

35:55

Spiritual experiences that either one of us

35:57

has ever had this idea that the

35:59

more intimate it is immoral. Radhika because

36:01

you something I never really heard before

36:03

and it's layers of an onion. As

36:06

you become more open and you have

36:08

is great experiences and you realize oh

36:10

there's layers upon layers upon layers upon

36:12

layers upon layers which is kind of

36:14

exciting and A because it means we

36:17

keep finding new ways of be intimate.

36:19

I keep finding new ways of of

36:21

Posturing is rather in ways that go

36:23

beyond anything. Have you ever imagine much

36:25

less experience? I were like an unknown

36:28

territory and ah it keeps a relationship.

36:30

So fresh. So even in have been together

36:32

as many years as we have I'm you

36:34

know it is. It's as we keep having

36:37

these experiences that are beyond anything I ever,

36:39

even our hope for much less experience. It's.

36:42

Amazing and novelty. Create

36:44

a sense of july kids that don't

36:46

still the mean rush. It brings you

36:48

to a lightness of things you to

36:50

engagement and we usually experience that novelty.

36:52

Only one where with a new partner

36:54

at the beginning with your relationship and

36:56

then I just scales out so easily.

36:58

Asked her to size seventeen years and

37:00

to be able to. You think this

37:02

is going to be meaningful from most

37:04

people who are listening. to be able

37:06

to shift the lens on your existing

37:08

relationship and say I can go into

37:10

this fall place a complete novelty and

37:12

with that novelty in Athens. A little bit

37:15

of fear and Han Solo that of like

37:17

and standing on the edge of uncertainty I'm

37:19

in a step over the threshold at mean

37:21

that being vulnerable into the to be being

37:24

vulnerable one another we just have to see

37:26

excitement and he was. I have the opportunity

37:28

for a new and deeper connections. Young.

37:30

As keeps it fresh and to see and

37:32

fun. And although six so you know you

37:35

be with different partners after a while actually

37:37

gets boring because you're having the same kind

37:39

of experience with every pupil as opposed to

37:41

this radically powerfully or rather joyful, pleasurable experience

37:43

as with the same person and you know

37:45

their times and I think us you know

37:47

as is somewhat attractive of because it would

37:49

be really nice of i could have sex

37:52

with that person to. But

37:54

then I realize that. If I did, I

37:56

would be able to have his experiences with an. Elegant

37:59

comes down to what. Get in the summers for

38:01

the what I give up his from a place

38:03

of about choosing not to do certain things not

38:05

have a sense of fear or deprivation that out

38:07

of a sense of joy and pleasure and love

38:09

and feeling good and that's ultimately what makes it

38:12

sustainable. How does it have this conversation

38:14

with you And an an Oprah? About

38:16

commitment and sex all day. It

38:19

was great assess assess. You know I think

38:21

that some people you know what we are

38:24

motivated by a sense of pleasure, enjoy, and

38:26

intimacy or what I mean all of the

38:28

great spiritual. Truth. Colored come down

38:30

to what Aldous Huxley call the Perennial

38:32

philosophy. You know that when you reduce

38:34

it down and once you get pass

38:37

although rituals that people find kill each

38:39

other over know my religions best No

38:41

no my residence best. Whatever is like.

38:43

You know, altruism? love, forgiveness, Compassion

38:46

ultimately take us to that place

38:48

as it frees us from our

38:50

suffering and. And. So

38:53

we realize that. Those.

38:55

Spiritual truths are how to live a

38:57

joyful, pleasurable happy life in. A lot

38:59

of people of hundred come to over

39:01

the millennia we kind of ignore that

39:03

town and and and so I the

39:06

once people begin to realize that those.

39:09

Are. The spiritual truth as liberators and make

39:11

life so much more fun not have

39:13

a sense, homes you know, dry and

39:15

moldy and boring and sale in all.

39:17

but rather, these are the things that

39:19

really enable us to live the most

39:21

joyful and pleasurable life again. If I

39:23

forgive somebody, it's not. Ah,

39:26

Condoning or excusing what they've done but it

39:29

helps to free me from the sovereign the

39:31

goes along with us you know on on

39:33

one of or suffer at your you and

39:35

I mean another levels we talked about earlier

39:38

we're not but the to me the roots

39:40

are suffering begin by seen people are separated

39:42

only suffer the other you know was forcing

39:44

of the on the fortunately now far with

39:47

the rise of Viable by Supremacy and and

39:49

the White House and so on the other

39:51

those Mexican rapers, those Muslim terrorists once you

39:54

call someone different and only different than. You

39:56

can do bad things for them because una

39:58

you are and then only creates. More isolation

40:00

and more suffering. I think you know

40:02

there's a wonderful conversation Georgia Lucas of

40:05

Star Wars had with or Joseph Campbell

40:07

when he was time at the Sars,

40:09

Mers, and the whole Darth Vader and

40:11

that you know when you have that

40:13

sense of the other then. No.

40:16

One is safe is the opposite of

40:18

that what we're talking about before bobbing

40:20

trusting an open An intimate. It's very

40:22

protected and walled off. And.

40:24

When you're walled off those same was that

40:27

protects you isolate you and the more isolated

40:29

yard in the more like the are to

40:31

get sick and dying prematurely. So the very

40:33

thing that we think we're doing this protecting

40:35

us is a very thing the taxi curious

40:38

and so the logical conclusion of that George

40:40

Lucas was talking about what Joseph Campbell is

40:42

that you can't trust anyone so basic you're

40:44

down to two people, the master, the soon

40:46

and eventually the soon enough killing the master

40:49

was as the whole source of ah Miss

40:51

And and that's what we see. You know

40:53

Donald Trump by all accounts. Has no friends

40:55

you know the miserable, unhappy, isolated person

40:57

and kind of project Saddam and now

40:59

not forcing them to the rest of

41:01

the world. And so I think that

41:03

as we really understand the zebra spiritual

41:06

truce to me they're the root of

41:08

not only having say healthy living longer

41:10

but having a joyful, pleasurable, loving happy

41:12

life. That Swami that I started with

41:14

was were the happiest people Never met.

41:16

You know have you ever hang out

41:18

with the Dalai Lama is is beautiful.

41:20

Laugh at me. that's why they sampled

41:22

as laugh Ryota because his sister a

41:24

joyful. Last and yet, he's been witness

41:26

to the whole genocide of his people. We

41:28

have the ability to use a sense of

41:31

suffering as a doorway or as a catalyst

41:33

for transforming our allies of rediscovering that happy

41:35

place as inner peace and joy and love

41:37

and compassion in and so on for ourselves

41:40

and for others. And it's just a way

41:42

to kind of go through the world in

41:44

ways that make it so much happier as

41:46

opposed to create a more suffering. On.

41:49

Thank you so much thank you for

41:51

reminding us as this delay that happens

41:54

when as years dropped. On. our

41:56

hearts out then on connection as me. And.

41:59

Thank you very much. Reminding us the health. See

42:01

we tend to think about just stay in

42:03

a spiritual benefits of the happiness benefits that

42:06

is Your research has shown in our study

42:08

after study after study the health benefits to

42:10

keep rolling in. Your. The

42:12

more diseases we study of the or. Mechanisms.

42:15

Will look out the more scientific evidence

42:17

we have or that is me. that's

42:19

part of the value of sciences or

42:21

can redefine was possible for people and

42:23

by doing so if his many people

42:25

new hope and choices and the you

42:27

know when someone is set and suffering

42:29

just like what I was depressed. there's

42:31

as a receptivity to new ideas and

42:33

attains as you wouldn't find otherwise and

42:35

so like some as had a heart

42:37

attack us a goddess suffer so we're

42:39

You know when you're media be a

42:41

vegetarian, a plant based diet and and

42:43

less sugar less fan. And exercise of meditate

42:46

and love Morty kidding me in as a

42:48

doctor so I can get my face and

42:50

said to take their their sad you expose

42:52

him says your the sauce and yet we

42:54

find that you know Medicare is not covering.

42:57

Our. Program or hospitals or clinics around the

42:59

country. Most of the measure insurance companies

43:01

aren't and we're getting bigger changes in

43:03

Lysol. Better clinical outcomes are bigger cost

43:05

savings and better it here and said

43:07

he was a resume zero. Program is

43:09

seventy two hours long. Ninety four percent

43:12

of those sessions get completed over and

43:14

nine we period and a year later,

43:16

eighty five to ninety percent. The people

43:18

who still fallen the following big cities

43:20

but in Salinas, Arkansas, Jackson, Mississippi, and

43:22

now South Bend, Indiana and so on

43:24

is working because when we work at

43:26

that level. Which. Is really core to

43:29

the primal need for love and connection

43:31

community. We find that people are much

43:33

more likely to make lifestyle choices are

43:35

life enhancing, the ones that are self

43:37

destructive and because he's underlying biological mechanisms

43:39

are so dynamic. Most people when they

43:41

make these changes to the degree that

43:43

make them feel so much better so

43:45

quickly in ways that really matter to

43:47

them and it's has been going away

43:49

and them in other physical things but

43:51

depressing scores are cut you know more

43:53

than and half on average. Then they

43:55

sometimes again go back to say wow.

43:58

Getting said probing suffering the I had

44:00

it at suffering a my life was

44:02

a blessing in disguise because he got

44:04

my attention to begin be open to

44:06

doing these things. Unfortunately of medicine when

44:08

I trained see see that as an

44:10

opportunity were trained of number the pain

44:12

or kill the pain or bypass the

44:15

paint literally or figuratively. And so the

44:17

reason I spent sixteen years to get

44:19

sort of Medicare to get tired coverage

44:21

of our program is that I learned

44:23

that if it's reimbursable, the that sustainable

44:25

future is really burst. Magicians, medical practices,

44:27

even medical education. So part of what

44:29

I'm so passionate. About is helping teach

44:31

medical students and others how to use

44:33

the sacred opportunity that we have to

44:35

work with people when they're often at

44:38

their most vulnerable in their most suffering

44:40

and his show them how they can

44:42

empower themselves suddenly to get better. Since

44:44

Acclaim. Which. We can often measure, but

44:46

to deal at these deeper levels was ultimately

44:48

or or that much worm or meaningful and

44:51

profound. Thank you so much team for showing

44:53

us the opportunity in the possibility that from

44:55

all of our lives and all of our

44:57

as any be lot to learn more temps

44:59

as that he does have an audience. Love.

45:02

More stress last exercise more and

45:04

eat better to your best life

45:07

he can take up in but

45:09

i'm get which. Like. The

45:11

salami undo. The think

45:14

it seems that undo it. I've read it cover to cover

45:16

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45:18

the can go to our website which is

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45:22

us have we talked about today are the

45:24

others free A lot of resources as well

45:26

as the locations of the sites of we

45:28

trained around the country. Was hurt her. Awesome!

45:31

That's earnest.com all of the informational be

45:33

in the show Notes: And

45:35

you so much team! Thank you is really great

45:37

hockey with you. Thank you for inspiring yet I

45:39

used to talk about these things in this level

45:41

and down by always been useful So thanks area

45:43

and you. Won't

45:47

with Doctor Dean wireless. Know.

45:50

You. Hindi mention mean. What

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it means. News. Is actually

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brains and he had been the have the medicine.

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46:02

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46:06

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46:09

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46:11

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46:13

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46:18

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46:49

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