“They call us white but we're treated brown” is the experience of many Arab Americans and Middle Eastern people in the US. Join us as we dive into the complexities of the proposed (and rejected) Middle Eastern North African (MENA) racial category for the 2020 census with not one, but two special guest co-hosts, Youbie Abdelrahman, host of the podcast “It’s not That Serious” and Ahmed Badr, host of “A Way Home Together” and advocate for refugee youth. We'll also get to hear from a member of the US national advisory committee of the census bureau  Hassan Jaber, an ardent proponent of the category, and Turkish writer and performer Melisa Olgun. Although race is undeniably a serious topic, it’s also something we can learn about through laughter, evident as we listen to a stand up performance by comedian Thafir Elzofri.