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The unyoked podcast navigating the pain
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process and possibilities after a christian
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divorce as christians, we are quick to give advice, and if we
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don't, let's be honest, we can be quick to judge.
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We also love to see situations as black and
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white, right or wrong. The problem is,
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life is much more complex than we often
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assume or even pretend. Your decision to
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get a divorce will often attract
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feedback, assumptions, considerations,
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and suggestions. Be ready
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from someone who had to navigate this decision. Trust
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me, I had feedback of it's about time.
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I don't know how you lasted so long to hey,
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consider the kids. Don't do this to why did
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you agree to that in the divorce? I don't know
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your specifics and I don't know how horrible
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your spouse treated you, and that's good. I'm
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going to offer some general advice that should apply to
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most all of you. Of course, there's got to be
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exceptions. But let's talk about your heart for
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a moment. If you're like me, something
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happened before your decision to file for a
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divorce. I personally went from walking
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over glass to save my marriage to a hard
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heart in ten short minutes.
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One of it took me to the straw that broke the camel's
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back moment I never understood. In the
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Bible when it talked about hard hearts. It just
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made no sense to me. I couldn't even fathom
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what it meant until it happened to me.
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My heart was hardened and I knew it was
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time. There's a thing that counselors look for.
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Passion. Sometimes love disguises itself
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as hate. When you are mad, it's because you love someone
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and you're hurt by them. But once a person
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reaches indifference, the hard heart,
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that is when it is over. If you're
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navigating this hard heart, my goal is to have
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you walk these next steps in your life
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with wisdom. If you're navigating your next steps with
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emotion and out of pain, you're not going to like
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some of the advice I will be suggesting today.
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One lawyers get one.
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Ask around. Never on social media. Interview
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them. You don't have to choose the first person that you walk into their
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office. Find someone that connects with you.
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Listen to what they say about finances.
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Money is often moved around during divorces.
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Protect yourself. Consider Christian principled
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legal advice. Do not navigate a divorce
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together. Now your spouse and you may say, we can't afford
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it. Well, you cannot afford not to.
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Is that right? Cannot afford not to, that's right. I'm going
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to repeat this for those who did not listen to episode
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190 percent of most divorces
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start with the same simple minded statement by
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both parties. We're adults. We're going to be able to
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divorce without much fighting. What's his is his,
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what's mine is mine. We can do this.
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Well, let me give you some great advice that your spouse
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is probably going to hate. Hire a
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lawyer and have them fight for you, for your
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kids, and for your future. You aren't just
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splitting up tvs and albums from college. This is
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a way bigger moment than just
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things. You're going to get into fights about
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visitation holidays. You're going to have to
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awkwardly navigate your ex's new boyfriend or
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girlfriend picking up dropping off your kids
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Christmas Eve. Best to put it all in
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writing and have a professional write down and a
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judge confirm your agreements. There is
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debt equity bills, taxes,
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insurance, college funds, future investments,
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wills, et cetera. You're not going to agree on all
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these. And I promise you you're going to disagree and
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you feel like you're manipulated to think like they do, like
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their lawyer does. Let your lawyer do the dirty work.
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I've heard it over and over again. I just wanted out
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and I was too tired to fight and I wish I would
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have. So for those of you that think this might
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apply to you, there are good resources from
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christian firms who help people
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navigate their separation with grace and
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unity. Don't do it yourself. Do it with a
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trained professional. Wrestling with the details
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of unyoking is already not easy and it
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will change. Sometimes weekly, sometimes
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daily. Be ready for the ups and
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downs, frustrations and changed
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promises nothing verbal. Your spouse
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promises means anything if it's
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not in a divorce degree and it's signed by
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the judge. Now announcing your plans to
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divorce. If you have kids with your spouse,
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let me strongly suggest as
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bad, evil and as horrible of a person your
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spouse may be, salvage the reputation of
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your child's parent. Choose your
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words carefully to the kids. Keep
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on a biblical lens, not too much
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information. Don't belittle that their world is
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turning upside down and don't act like it's all
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going to be okay. Be encouraging and be
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a realist. They have no idea what is going
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to hit them. Now who else needs to know?
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Well, if anybody needs to understand why you are
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out of the house or they are out of the house
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or hey, where's know? You could just say hey,
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Bob and I have filed for a divorce. We are currently living
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separate. Not hey, Bob's a lying sack
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of dog dung and I kicked his butt out of the house after I wrote
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his boss a long email. Also, your kid's mom and
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dad need their job to pay bills. Don't win
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the battle and lose the war. Jobs are off limit. If your
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spouse has a secret sin and works for a church,
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maybe this is an exception. But your divorce
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announcement shouldn't be the first time for church
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leaders to know of your marital issues.
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Your inner circle can know. Not
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your Facebook friends, not the local christian
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radio morning show. Be sure to take
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feedback of your announcement with a grain of salt.
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Everyone has opinions and axes to grind.
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People have different levels of
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justice. Don't fight their fight.
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Some of your friends will want your ex to walk the plank,
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to have public shame, to bleed them dry,
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ruin their names. On a side note,
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God performs miracles. I've heard of plenty of
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people who came to their senses while navigating the
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complexities of a divorce. It scares the Jesus back
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into some people. Leave room for those miracles
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and don't sabotage your relationship, your kids
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relationship, or your church relationships with your
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anger. When people are faced with the
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realities of losing everything,
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they often take a harder look at solutions.
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Don't burn a bridge any worse than it already
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is. I know that all small groups have a life of their
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own, and your church most likely encourages you to
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do life together. But I would like to
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send up a giant caution about talking about
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marriage issues and circles with your Sunday school
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and your small groups. There are two sides
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to every story. People will pick sides.
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People will feel it's their job to intervene. If your
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small group has real friends in it, talk to them
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outside the meeting. Just because you're in a small group
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does not give the right or the
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need to jump into the middle of something so
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complex. Now, some people may disagree
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with me, but I think it's because they want their
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small groups to be authentic. But how? A lot
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of small groups work. It's not that every room is
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mature enough for the sensitive situations.
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Divorces and marriage problems are a lot more complex than
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most of those people have even thought through. It's going to
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create problems. Know your tight inner circles.
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Give them only the details that they need to know, and
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to them only. All right, get off social
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media. Unless you make money online.
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Go silent on all the apps every
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time you want to pick up your phone. Go for a walk, read
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yoga, call a friend. Stay off the apps.
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Better yet, delete them. And just don't be tempted
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when your friends say, hey, did you see what Bob posted?
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Say no and I don't care. But if my lawyer needs to
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know, send me a screenshot and I'll forward it to them. That will
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stop all the drama right there. I can think of
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20 bad things that social media can do to you in a divorce
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and I can't think of one good thing. Get
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off. You don't need to be on right now. Now this is
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a little bit more tricky navigating church. Now we're
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going to talk about something super controversial.
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And even though there is a whole episode coming
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about churches, we're going to discuss church
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and divorce right now. Some of your spouses will
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be ghost at church, some will want to show up and some
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may even want to sit together. Sitting apart
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is awkward, especially with Kids, and it
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invites weird questions and stares. Church is
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awkward during a divorce. It just is no
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way to deny it. Listen, I love God and I
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love the church. But if you need to step away from an
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awkward situation for a season, I give you permission.
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Miss some Sundays unvolunteer, visit
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another church for a while, watch online.
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Your pastor may strongly disagree with what I just said right there,
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but they may be wrong. They haven't walked this
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walk. And the answer isn't, oh, you
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just need to be in church. We're your family. We're going to help you get
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through this. It's just not true. Your small
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group is not a marriage and divorce expert.
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That's not what they're built to do. It's not a sin to
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skip church and avoid some painful moments.
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Get some rest. Sleep in. Read the word in
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solitude. Cry out, ponder, hurt.
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Don't let anybody tell you differently. Pastors can be wrong.
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That's okay too. Don't be guilted into doing
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something you are not comfortable with.
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God gives us grace in this area.
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People are the church. Those programs,
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responsibilities and buildings, they're not the
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church. Let them go. Do their things. During this time in your
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life. Release the burden. It is okay.
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Sometimes the reality of divorce will cause someone to try
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and save their marriage at the 11th hour.
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Actions speak louder than words. I'm going to give you a little
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suggestion. Put the required actions into
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words. Make a list of non
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negotiable items. What actions can
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we commit to that might save our marriage?
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When the second one of those is violated, then you know they're
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not serious. They're just talking. Define what
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will possibly save your marriage. Make a contract.
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It will be a lot easier to move forward once
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the agreement is broken. This is a last
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ditch effort and a way to measure
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authentic attempts to restore your marriage. Now
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buckle up. The new reality is hard.
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Whatever caused your divorce and marital issues
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might be out of the house but may not have
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disappeared fully. But now you'll have two
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likely bitter people fighting. Emotions are
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high. Defense mechanisms are flying
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everywhere. It will be a tough
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season. Keep your circle tight. Get
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legal advice, especially if your spouse
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begs you not to. That's when you do it. Protect
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your kids health and your lifelong relationships with
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parents. Take all advice you get with a grain of
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salt. Rest physically and
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mentally. Changes are coming to your
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lifestyle, to your house, to your jobs,
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finance, church, all of it. This season can take
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a few months, even years. Here are
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a few last bit pieces of advice. Be
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gentle with yourself. Don't move on.
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Sit in this moment. Navigate it well. Be
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attentive to your body and your mind. Sleep.
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Eat, exercise. Drink water.
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Be kind to yourself. Look out for your
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needs, and you can go to toddturner.com
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divorce for resources and to sign up for emails as we
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navigate being unyoked as a Christian. Blessings.
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