A viral town meeting clip from Marblehead, Massachusetts, raised a question that goes far beyond one zoning debate: What happens when a state says yes to more housing, but the local process still makes it hard to build? Or, as resident David Modica put it, “Are we trying to do nothing?” Carlee Alm-LaBar talks with Strong Towns Technical Advisor Edward Erfurt and Lafayette City Councilman Thomas Hooks about the messy handoff between policy and place. They look at why communities can comply on paper while resisting in practice, and why the next real step may be as small as one block, one lot, or one drawing that helps people see what is possible.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

• "The Latest Hero of the ‘Yimby’ Movement Is a Massachusetts Man in a Hoodie" by Will Parker, WSJ.com (May 2026)
• Downzone:
  • The Victory of Greenwood, by Carlos Moreno (Site)
  • Scrubs Reboot (Site)
  • Junior League of Lafayette (Site)
  • Strong Towns National Gathering (Site)
• Carlee Alm-LaBar (LinkedIn)
• Thomas Hooks (LinkedIn)
• Edward Erfurt (LinkedIn)
• Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.

 

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