At the pandemic's beginning, small bands of scientists and doctors devised a plan: what if we got young people sick on purpose? What could possibly go wrong?

Dr. Jonathan Howard's new book, _We Want Them Infected_, traces this ill-begotten quest and the inevitable pseudoscience that followed. Listen in to our conversation with him!

Links from the pod--We Want Them Infected: https://redhawkpublications.com/We-Want-Them-Infected-p547021769Lancet HPV study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02178-4/fulltextSteve Kirsch wants to give you $5M: https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1663293283211317248

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