2:00

A little clip in the back. Of course.

2:02

Are there always in there? Or is it

2:04

just like smoke and mirrors for today? I

2:06

do like to expose your secrets. This is

2:08

holding up the whole operation. Like the whole

2:10

thing can't even stay up without these. Like

2:12

if I didn't bring these, I wouldn't come today.

2:14

Like if you unclip them, it'd just be like

2:16

a L'Oreal commercial and it'll just like fall

2:18

down. It would lie. It

2:21

would all come and die. But

2:24

with your name, Alaska Thunderfuck

2:26

5000, which is a good, strong

2:28

Christian name. Did you ever think of

2:31

renaming yourself something a little more brand

2:33

friendly? Something like Alaska Cruise or something

2:36

a little bit more

2:38

Googleable and not, Cruise

2:40

like C-R-U-Z, like Ted Cruz. Back

2:43

to the Florida again. No, not like that. No. It's

2:46

just in a way where it's like some Queens, because

2:48

obviously with Drag Race, you had to like go by

2:50

just like the Mononam of Alaska. But did you ever

2:53

think, just like redact the name

2:55

just because of like, you know, promotional

2:58

brand reasons. Well, people

3:00

always ask me like, oh, did you change

3:02

your name? You changed your

3:04

name to just Alaska or Alaska

3:06

5000. Like, no,

3:08

my name just changes based on like

3:10

what the gig is. Like if it's

3:13

a children's like library

3:15

reading, just Alaska. It's just

3:17

Alaska or Alaska 5000 if

3:19

you want to be able to Google it. The full

3:22

name is Alaska Thunderfuck 5000. There's

3:24

no more extra names packed on anywhere. No

3:27

past middle names, like little joke names thrown

3:29

in there sometimes. No, unless they get

3:31

married. Okay. Then all hyphenated.

3:34

Yeah. William. William. Alaska

3:36

Thunderfuck 5000, William. Oh,

3:39

the 5000 is hyphenated. Okay. I

3:41

thought the 5000 was just kind of like a senior junior

3:43

at the end. I didn't know that was the technical last name.

3:46

It is technically the name because I

3:49

had a drag daughter named Petunia Bonaparte

3:51

5000. We like smoke

3:53

weed so much. That was like

3:55

our thing. And

3:57

I named her that. just

4:00

like came to me petunia bone apart 5000 and

4:04

Then I was like I'm jealous that you have 5000

4:06

at the end of your name So I like adopted

4:08

that oh, so that wasn't because

4:10

your name was based off a certain

4:12

strain of cannabis 5000 wasn't part of it.

4:14

No. Oh, okay. What's your drag

4:16

sister's name? Also a strain of cannabis? No

4:19

Oh, so it's just the 5000. It's like the link you

4:21

just like, okay. Yeah, it's all pieced together. It's like a

4:23

little graph bag Yeah, did you come up with that name

4:25

like in high school or was it after? It

4:29

was in college because I never smoked

4:31

weed until college No, never that's weird

4:33

because like whenever you were like in

4:36

high school, you looked like like

4:38

the traditional like stoner kid I think it's a soul patch.

4:40

I Think it's I

4:42

think maybe it's a soul patch, but

4:44

you definitely gave very like zoinks energy

4:47

in high school That's

4:49

definitely like the aesthetic. How sweet what is

4:51

going on? Let's unpack this Soul

4:54

patch that was my vibe. I'm also

4:56

wearing brown contacts you were in

4:58

contact back then Yeah, I never

5:01

liked having like light eyes I always

5:03

wanted dark eyes and so even in

5:05

like high school I was like finding

5:07

a way to wear brown contacts and

5:10

oh my gosh, what a sweet little child

5:12

and I had ear piercing Mm-hmm

5:16

in high school like You you read

5:18

it high school early 2000s, which the

5:20

world was not the most friendly towards

5:23

them The queer community around

5:25

that time. Were you out in high school? Or is

5:27

that did you wait till after high school? I

5:30

wasn't out at first and then it

5:32

then I was and then

5:34

it just was like the floodgates were open and

5:36

that was That and like the well here I

5:39

am and I was like the only gay kid

5:41

in high school I wish

5:43

that children could time

5:46

travel To be

5:48

the one gay person in high school

5:50

is like being Madonna It's

5:52

like the best thing is

5:55

the best thing. Yeah, the one out

5:57

gay person like there were others but

5:59

that you know I

6:01

was such a trailblazer. Yeah. Yeah.

6:05

You brought homosexuality to that town on

6:08

a padded wagon. I did. Yeah. Pioneer.

6:11

And I was prom king because of it. Yeah,

6:13

you were prom king. Like a lot of people

6:15

wouldn't expect that about you, but like you actually

6:17

were. I was gonna lead

6:19

into that next. I was gonna ask because I said

6:22

like the queer community was not the most popular on

6:24

the early 2000s, but you were

6:26

despite also being a theater kid, you were like the

6:28

prom king. You actually had a certain level

6:30

of popularity. Was that like a,

6:33

you were really popular or was it like

6:35

a girl in the wheelchair type situation? To

6:39

cry on love. It

6:42

was because I was gay and because in

6:44

our school, and I was the girl in

6:46

the wheelchair. It was very, because

6:49

in our school, I don't know if this

6:51

is how it is everywhere, but like the

6:53

girls vote for prom king and

6:57

the boys vote for prom queen, which is like

6:59

weird, but that's how they did it. And

7:01

so of course all the girls wanted to vote for

7:04

the gay. But take

7:06

it back though, like before high school, before like theater

7:08

and art club, like what kind of kid were you

7:11

growing up? Like were you always like a little performer?

7:14

No, I was like very

7:16

introverted. Very introverted? Yeah. You

7:18

were just like a six foot two

7:20

introverted four year old, just shy. I

7:24

was, because I was like, I'm

7:27

gay and I'm not allowed to be gay, so

7:29

I'm just gonna like hang out by myself and

7:32

like draw pictures. Was it like

7:34

after like getting into stuff like art club and stuff

7:36

that got you more out of your shell and more

7:38

comfortable or, what was the moment you got

7:40

outed? Like, was there an event that occurred? Or did you

7:42

just like slowly just unravel

7:45

yourself? Well,

7:50

I was like dating somebody and

7:52

he was like coming around all the

7:55

time because we were dating. And

7:57

I was like, mom, this is my friend Phil. And

8:01

we know each other from school.

8:03

Meanwhile, my mom worked for the

8:05

school district. So

8:07

she was like, you know if he doesn't go

8:10

to the school, the school isn't that big. It

8:13

was stupid. So my mom eventually

8:15

was like, Justin, are you a

8:17

homosexual? And I was

8:19

like, yes. So

8:21

that was like, I mean, that's

8:24

like coming out. Was he like the token

8:26

gay kid at like the school, the next

8:28

school over? He was

8:31

graduated. Worked

8:33

at a bank. Oh, you

8:35

had a banker? Oh

8:38

my goodness. Did

8:42

he work at a bank? It

8:46

was a time long past, but for

8:48

this fantasy. Oh, he worked at Walmart. Oh.

8:52

Why did I, wait, no. He worked at a bank

8:54

too. Did he work at like the

8:56

bank inside the Walmart? Was

8:58

it a little column A, a little column B? No,

9:01

he definitely worked at Walmart, but also worked

9:03

at a bank, I think. He

9:05

worked here, Josh, to take care of his. A

9:07

single mom who worked. The

9:10

one that got away. Hi,

9:12

Phil, if you're out there watching. Yeah,

9:14

he's hard at work at the Walmart,

9:16

you know, Bank of America. Totally. He's

9:19

a manager now. Yeah. Yeah. Don't

9:23

even love this. Just having a beer, couple

9:26

of guys. You know,

9:28

you want a president that

9:31

you could just have a beer with. I

9:34

like my drag queens. Like I like my presidents. Someone

9:36

you can have a beer with. Electable,

9:39

relatable, likable. Yeah,

9:41

alcoholic. This is actually

9:43

an, for monetization reasons,

9:45

I have to point out this is

9:48

unalcoholic beer. This is a,

9:50

yeah, just glorified. It's like an

9:52

awful tasting shelter. Well, you like

9:54

beer though. It is. I do, sometimes.

9:56

You're what Twitter thought I was.

9:59

Just like a. Beer 11 drag queen. I

10:03

love that you're dressed like me.

10:05

This is my favorite thing is

10:08

things that resemble myself. Just flattery. I

10:10

love it. You look so good. Did

10:13

you feel pretty? In an

10:15

abstract way. I

10:18

don't feel like conventionally, I

10:21

don't feel like a Tyra Banks kind of pretty. I

10:25

feel pretty and that one really

10:27

hot girl in high school, looked

10:30

like she smelled like cat pee. I

10:33

feel like that kind of pretty. Okay, I

10:35

see that. Yeah, definitely like she's

10:37

pretty, but her underarms got a lot of hair

10:39

on it. Okay,

10:42

I'll take it. In

10:44

the best way possible, of course. I

10:46

like it. Yeah, great. Thank you. With

10:49

most of the guests on the show, I try to

10:51

dress in a way that complements them. Sometimes just slight

10:54

homages and sometimes more one-to-one

10:57

recreations in a sense. With yours,

10:59

I didn't even have to look up pictures. I had

11:01

in my head of the Alaska brands.

11:04

I think you really did brand yourself.

11:07

Amongst the millions

11:09

of drag queens that have been on Drag

11:11

Race now, I feel like you're top 10,

11:14

recognizable. Do you feel that, would

11:16

you agree with that assessment? Do you think you're

11:18

in that Mount Rush more of drag queens? Yeah.

11:24

I think so. Why do

11:26

you think it is that made you

11:28

stand out amongst all the others? Timing

11:31

and luck. I

11:35

got on Drag Race, I started

11:37

drag the year that Drag Race

11:39

started, as a TV show.

11:41

Not because of it, that was

11:43

a coincidence. And so

11:46

it was a trajectory and the fact that

11:48

I didn't get on too early,

11:51

I got on a great time.

11:53

It was a great season. I

11:56

was really lucky and it was

11:59

just, you know. I feel

12:01

like you really built a brand post drag

12:03

race too because you had that power

12:06

dynamic when you were first on because you were dating

12:08

a winner at that time. And

12:12

then after the show you made a couple podcasts with

12:14

Willem who is also infamously famous

12:16

in the drag race fandom. Have you like

12:18

always been a coattail writer or was that

12:20

also just luck and happenstance? You

12:23

did it. She did

12:25

it. Classic. Well,

12:28

I don't even remember the question. That was funny.

12:31

No, yeah, totally. Yeah.

12:34

Because all the pieces just kind of fell into place.

12:36

Yeah. No. Yeah. But

12:39

whenever you first moved to LA, leaving Little Pennsylvania,

12:42

moving to the big city, you wanted to become

12:44

an actor. But like I said, back in high

12:46

school, you were being like art club. Did you

12:49

always have a plan to be a performer of some

12:51

kind or was it just kind of a fever dream

12:53

you were chasing? Like,

12:55

did you have a backup plan? When I

12:57

was little, I always would like

13:00

envision myself being a girl

13:03

and singing songs in

13:06

rooms of people. And

13:08

I don't know what that meant. I was inspired

13:10

by Jewel a lot because I like listen to

13:13

her music. And so I

13:15

didn't know what that meant. But

13:17

then once I like

13:19

discovered what the fuck drag was, it

13:21

was like, this seems like

13:23

a thing. And now I am a woman

13:26

who sings songs in rooms full of people.

13:28

I love that like as a child, you

13:30

had like this vague idea of a

13:33

future weird career. And like you were just

13:35

picturing being a pop star, essentially. So you

13:38

didn't know what it was. You're like, what is that when

13:40

you sing in a room full of people? Right.

13:44

And it wasn't even a pop star. It

13:46

was more like it was more like a

13:48

like a small room of people. I like

13:50

I didn't envision like arenas of

13:53

people. I just wanted to sing songs in

13:55

rooms of people. And I get to do

13:57

that. Like in a past life, 1920s,

13:59

you were just like. a jazz lounge singer to

14:01

the very, would it be bad? Yeah,

14:04

very loud. Whenever

14:07

you moved to LA though, I'd say you wanted

14:09

to pursue a career in acting. Were you trying

14:11

to get into like television? Was it movies, like

14:13

theater? Like what was a specific kind of like

14:16

acting roles you were chasing? I

14:20

don't know, but I

14:22

thought that's what I was supposed to do.

14:25

Cause I went to college to study theater

14:27

and I kind of dabbled in drag in

14:29

college. And

14:32

then I was like, no, I've got

14:34

to get serious. I'm

14:36

going to move to LA. I'm going to leave

14:38

this crazy drag thing behind. Cause that's just

14:41

a hobby. And

14:44

then I like had to like do the

14:46

work of being an actor, which was like

14:48

back backstage magazine and

14:51

like looking at auditions

14:53

and getting head shots. And

14:55

I was like, I don't like, and I

14:57

don't like any of them. I was like, I

14:59

would have to take out my piercing. I'd

15:02

have to get a normal haircut. Cause I

15:04

look crazy and shave the soul patch. Right.

15:06

And I like, and I have like this pierced and

15:08

this, and like, and I

15:10

was like, I don't, I

15:14

don't like that. I don't like this. So

15:17

I was like, I'm in LA. I came out here to

15:19

be an actor and like, what am I, what am I

15:21

doing now? And

15:23

drag like saved my life. But

15:26

I was like, I didn't know what

15:28

I was doing with my life. And

15:31

then I like did drag just for

15:33

fun. It was great. Was it like certain acting roles

15:35

you were chasing or was it really just anything

15:37

that would accept you as like an actor? I

15:40

don't know. Yeah, I guess I was just like,

15:42

I'll take everything. Like if it fit your physical

15:44

description, you were just like, yeah, I'll do that.

15:47

But also like what role, like now there

15:49

might be roles for someone who was like,

15:52

who was like that. But like back then it was

15:54

like, no, that was unheard of like

15:56

what roles would I have been? So you

15:58

go into school for theater. did you not think to

16:01

go to somewhere like Chicago or New York to

16:03

do more of like the Broadway stage kind of

16:05

acting? It was between

16:07

New York and LA and my

16:09

best friend Jeremy lived in LA because he

16:11

was studying at UCLA. And so I was

16:13

like, LA

16:15

dude, let's do that.

16:17

Was there any like roles you auditioned for or

16:20

TV shows that people would recognize that they'd be

16:22

surprised to know that you had auditioned for? Like

16:25

even if like- I never got to the point

16:27

of auditioning for anything. I

16:29

answered Craigslist ads that

16:32

were like looking for drag queens for

16:34

like a party, like a birthday party.

16:37

And I was like, I can do this. And

16:40

I sent pictures of myself and they didn't respond.

16:44

Did you ever think to even just dip down

16:46

low enough to audition for roles like unnamed

16:50

drag queen background characters in crime

16:52

dramas or I don't know, just

16:55

anything that would take you- That

16:58

didn't even happen until after

17:00

drag race. Post drag race? Yeah.

17:06

How long were you in LA before you really started to focus

17:08

on drag? Cause like whenever you talk about it, it seems like

17:11

you went to LA, filled out like

17:13

three applications and just said, fuck it, I'll do

17:15

drag. Lazy notes. It's just that led me to

17:17

where I am today. You

17:19

went to like four years of college just to

17:22

like move to LA and just like, oh well.

17:25

We had a good run. Yes. I

17:27

was like this, I can't do this. Yeah,

17:31

no, it was pretty fast. It was

17:33

the first, it happened

17:35

fast. And then I like went out

17:37

and dragged cause I was like, I'm

17:39

like miserable. So

17:41

let me like go have fun. And

17:44

then I ended up like getting a job, like

17:47

just from going out and drag. You said

17:49

getting a job like, just like performing, just being on

17:51

a cast somewhere. Working the door

17:53

at FUBAR. Oh, okay. Well,

17:57

you get, you fell a long way since

17:59

then, but. You know, the fact that you're still

18:01

in the drag industry, though, you know, you're hanging on.

18:03

I am. I'm making it. It's still hanging on. But

18:06

whenever, before Drag Race, like, you're

18:09

star in LA, because I'm not someone that's from like

18:11

the LA scene, where you like a person of note

18:13

whenever you were cast, or where is it just kind

18:15

of a, they picked her rather than

18:18

these other LA legends. Like,

18:20

where were you at in your drag race? Yeah, where were you at in

18:22

your drag career? Well,

18:25

I was Sharon's wife. Like,

18:28

I was like, I

18:30

was swept up in the Sharon of it

18:32

all. Like, our lives changed so crazy. And

18:36

like, it was like a tornado. And

18:38

we were suddenly going all we

18:40

went from like, not having enough money to put

18:42

her have our lights on to

18:45

like, suddenly, we're like going around the world

18:47

and like living this life.

18:49

It was really wild. I don't even remember

18:51

really the process of like, getting accepted to

18:54

Drag Race. It was just like, it just

18:56

happened. It was just like part of the,

19:01

the like craziness. She

19:03

should have changed her name to like Sharon Cloud. But

19:06

with, with

19:09

completely, when I walked in the work

19:11

room, the other girls were like, she's

19:13

a bad Sharon. Like,

19:16

to be fair, Sharon was a bad Sharon. Exactly.

19:18

So it was really bad. We're gonna call

19:21

a spade a spade. So

19:33

like, with like all the craziness of like, you're

19:35

throwing an audition tapes, she gets casted. And then

19:37

immediately, like you said, you're rolling in all this

19:39

Drag Race money, all these gigs, you're touring along.

19:42

And then you don't even remember really the process of

19:44

getting casted. Was it just like the craziness

19:46

of that time that just kind of made everything a blur?

19:49

Yeah, it was just for just like the drugs

19:51

and the... Well, that too.

19:53

Like suddenly we could afford cocaine. Bad

19:57

idea. Don't do it. Yeah,

19:59

don't. it both ethically and

20:01

monetization reasons don't do it. Well, I'm

20:04

like, well, if I did it now, like my heart

20:07

would explode, I would certainly die. But like there was

20:09

a time where we did that. But you have a

20:11

hard thing? You have a condition? No, I

20:13

just, I'm just

20:15

old. I don't want my

20:18

like, HIPAA. Okay, okay. As

20:21

you were saying, like, it almost like seemed like you were

20:23

just like a plus one for Sharon at that point. When

20:25

you were cast for Drag Race, did you feel you said

20:28

it not me, echoing what was

20:30

it? Oh, it's so true. But whenever like you were

20:32

casted, did you feel like you had made an accomplishment?

20:34

Or did it feel like you were just like that

20:36

little fish on the side of the shark still? Like,

20:38

did you feel you're representing her in a way?

20:41

Or what did it really feel like your own

20:43

accomplishment in yourself you're representing? Totally.

20:45

No, and that was

20:48

part of like what they were doing

20:50

there with the like, they

20:52

had to like break me of that. Because

20:54

I was very like, I don't know, I

20:56

like I was not that I was

20:58

like hiding behind her,

21:00

but like, sort of just

21:03

like needing to find my

21:05

own identity beyond being

21:08

Sharon's partner, because Sharon was

21:10

such a huge, like

21:12

being. And so I had to

21:14

like, find what my what who I was.

21:17

So they like helped me do that at Drag Race. Did

21:20

they help you like, and during the time you were on the

21:22

show, or is it something after the show and seeing everything back

21:24

to help you realize that it

21:27

like happened during the show? And even like it kind

21:29

of happened with like the Ralaska talks thing, it was

21:31

like, stop sort of attaching

21:33

yourself to like, to like

21:35

people and like, be your own thing was

21:38

the lesson they were trying to teach me. And I think

21:40

they I think they did. And

21:42

then afterward, it was like, wait a

21:44

second, bitch. I need to

21:46

go do my own thing. And I can't be

21:48

like your support system all the time. And

21:51

so what made our relationship work was

21:53

that like, I was her biggest supporter.

21:56

And then it was like, after I had

21:59

to go do do my own thing. So

22:01

like that, that was not

22:03

happening anymore. And plus,

22:05

we were like sleeping with other people and like,

22:07

lying about it. Yeah, but you know,

22:09

that old chestnut. That

22:12

old thing. With

22:15

your with your breakup with Sharon, was that more important

22:17

due to, like I said, the

22:19

tumultuous nature of your relationship? Or was it more

22:21

like you really just wanted to focus on like

22:23

your own identity outside of Sharon? If

22:27

it was up to me, I think I

22:31

would have stayed with Sharon longer.

22:34

And I would have, I would have been like,

22:37

okay, so we slept with each other. Who cares?

22:39

Like, it's called an open relationship. But

22:41

what I didn't realize was that

22:43

she had already moved on, like

22:45

she had found somebody else that

22:47

she like loved. And I

22:49

was like, so devastated by that. And so

22:52

it was like, I don't get you know,

22:54

that's why we broke up. So it

22:56

was more like kind of a blessing in the skies. It just like,

22:59

it put it pushed you into the direction

23:01

you probably needed to go. Yeah, it didn't

23:03

feel like a blessing. Stop breaking

23:05

up. Oh, yeah. Like, don't do

23:08

it. Yeah, don't do it. No

23:10

matter what your relationship is like,

23:12

stay with it. Stay with it.

23:14

No, please. He loves you.

23:16

He just gets a little angry sometimes. It's

23:18

so hard, though. It's like the worst. It

23:20

was like, though it was a really horrible

23:22

time. For me. I mean,

23:24

it's like a long time like past since then. But do you

23:26

still feel like the tinges, the tinges like

23:28

of that time period, does it still affect you?

23:31

Or is it now is it seems kind of a

23:33

distant memory? No, because

23:35

once you once you go

23:37

through the horrible feeling of it, then you get

23:40

to the other side. And it's like, Oh, my

23:42

God, like the clouds open up. And

23:44

it's like, Oh, it's like this whole world that

23:46

I didn't even I wasn't even allowing myself to

23:48

like, realize existed. Yeah,

23:52

what was that? Also doing part of

23:54

you just not being super fucked up on cocaine

23:56

anymore? Was it just like, was that the actual

24:00

class opening. I did and I

24:02

got sober

24:05

after Sharon and I broke up and I kind of

24:07

did it because so much of our relationship was drinking.

24:09

So it was kind of like, well fine,

24:11

I'm gonna quit drinking, bitch. That

24:15

was your stick in it. It kind

24:17

of helped. It helped with the motivation.

24:19

I was like, well fine. For

24:21

you like sipping an Oduul's was like an

24:23

act of defiance in that relationship. It was.

24:26

It was unheard of. We did

24:29

every night of

24:31

our four year relationship. You come walking in,

24:33

you've carefully locked the door in the key and

24:35

she turns on lies like I knew it.

24:37

You're sober again, aren't you? Back your shit

24:39

and get out. Yeah.

24:43

Like I just, like no,

24:45

don't drink in. Guys. I

24:48

swear. Yeah. So that was like, would

24:50

you say that was like the craziest time period of your life? Just

24:52

like right after a drag race

24:55

before all stars, like the relationship, the drugs,

24:58

brother with that whole time period in general. Like, do you

25:00

look back at that as like a

25:02

negative time period or do you look at it

25:04

with rose tinted glasses and happy that it did

25:06

happen for you? I look

25:08

at it like as like a child. Like,

25:11

oh, I also

25:13

silly goofy. Look at that sweet child

25:15

trying their best, you know, and

25:18

failing horribly. Yeah. Yeah.

25:20

That's how I look at it. You showed your way

25:22

to success though. As we say, you're on the Mount

25:24

Rushmore of like drag queens, but sure. You're here now.

25:27

I mean, you're on my show. It really doesn't get

25:29

more prestigious than this. This is a real faux fur

25:32

with fair, no expense. But

25:35

like with most drag queens like post show, they

25:37

focus on just like club gigs.

25:39

At what point did you decide to weaponize your

25:41

platform to become a media or pop singer? And

25:44

when did you make that decision? Oh,

25:50

my God, I have to clarify. So the rabbit Alaska

25:52

stance don't come for me. I actually do enjoy your

25:54

music. I think you're one of the few drag queens

25:56

that actually make good music, but I digress. But at

25:58

what point did you like decided to like shift

26:01

that focus was that always a plan of yours to

26:04

be that person singing in little rooms

26:06

for people or something that just kind of fell

26:08

into place. Yeah I

26:10

always wanted to do music like

26:12

I was like I was even

26:14

like producing songs before um drag

26:18

race or anything it

26:20

was like always part of something I wanted

26:22

to do I was like I want to

26:24

have my own music I wanted to be

26:26

like divine or rupaul you know uh or

26:30

jacky bee the reason I

26:32

got a website is because of jacky bee jacky bee

26:34

because I was like if I'm gonna be good at

26:36

drag I have to do what good drag queens are

26:38

doing jacky bee has a website so I'm gonna get

26:41

a website now jacky bee

26:43

know how to operate a computer

26:45

good for her she does it's

26:47

like an html yeah it's

26:50

like have you ever seen like the uh the

26:52

space jam website it's still up and it looked

26:54

exactly the same as it did in the 90s

26:56

but they still have it like up and running

26:58

that's genius yeah it's like html it's like super

27:00

little moving picture and I don't know like a

27:02

lot of the songs that you put out were

27:04

those songs that you had written

27:06

or planned out before drag race no

27:11

but I mean with my first album

27:13

I was like my my manager David was like do

27:15

you want to do an album I was like I

27:18

don't know I mean

27:21

maybe I guess yeah and

27:23

it was it was like a challenge and

27:26

I didn't know what it was going to be like but

27:29

like your makeup is terrible was very organic

27:31

because it that's my bad romance that's my

27:33

biggest song in the whole world is that

27:35

your biggest one it's my biggest song ever

27:37

of all time um but

27:40

that was very organic I was like I'm

27:42

going to these gigs I want to have

27:44

a song that I can just do and

27:47

everyone on twitter was saying your makeup is

27:49

terrible your makeup is terrible like because

27:51

I said it on drag race I was

27:53

like I'll make a song of it where I'm

27:55

like introducing the show like hello my name is

27:58

Alaska these are the words With

28:00

that, like introducing the show, like I would argue

28:02

that high was your biggest one, just because anyone

28:05

who's ever gone to a drag show

28:07

ever hears that bar

28:09

streaming high to open their show. Did you

28:12

plan for that that to be a show

28:14

opening song whenever you made it? Like did

28:16

you plan for to get the streams from

28:18

venues blaring that at the beginning

28:20

of every show? That's what I wanted. I

28:23

wanted like uh Jimmy

28:25

James. Like that's

28:29

because that was the song you'd hear at every

28:31

drag show. So I was like, I want a

28:33

song like that. You didn't

28:35

succeed it like said it's like a

28:37

trope at this point where it's like

28:39

you go to a bar it's like

28:41

are they going to play fashionista or

28:43

Alaska's high? Yeah, you really did make

28:45

the contemporary fashionista show opening song. Totally.

28:47

You have that mark, you have that

28:49

stain on drag no matter what there's

28:51

that. What is your favorite song that

28:53

you put out? Oh, that felt

28:55

such a corny interview question, but I'm just curious.

28:58

That's a question for me. Oh,

29:01

and what's your least favorite? Oh,

29:05

what's gonna you like y'all listen to that trash? My

29:08

least favorite is Snaked. I just

29:11

don't know. I didn't really write it.

29:14

I wrote some of it. But

29:16

like it's just the sort of like tone of

29:18

it is that like I

29:21

don't I don't buy that that much.

29:24

It's beautifully produced. But

29:27

I just like the tone of it. I don't like I

29:29

don't like performing it. My

29:31

favorite song that's so impossible. I don't know.

29:33

Oh my gosh. I

29:38

don't know but I'm working on this new song that I really like. Oh,

29:41

is it your favorite song is in the works

29:43

right now? Yeah, it's yet to have receiving it.

29:45

Is it a single or album? It's

29:48

the song. Just a song.

29:50

Yeah. This track. You

29:53

could you can play the bad hair

29:55

when I drop a name that bitch.

29:57

Yeah. With fur walls. Yes. No,

30:02

no, no,

30:04

it's not. But it's wonderful. And I love

30:06

that. You're gonna put out your new

30:08

song, your web series is terrible. Yeah, totally. I've

30:12

been watching your show. My

30:14

little interview show. Yeah, because I've been

30:16

wanting I wanted to see like, what does the

30:19

set look like? What are the chairs like? Like,

30:21

let's get into like the what I should

30:23

wear and everything like that. But then like, I

30:25

started watching and I'm like, a dick. Oh,

30:28

thank you. Yeah, whenever I guess it was

30:30

like some episode of Race Chaser, where you

30:33

had mentioned my show. Because

30:35

I had so many people in my Instagram DM, they're

30:37

like, Alaska wants to do your show. Alaska wants to

30:39

do your show. And that's when I reached out to

30:41

you. I was like, oh my god, Alaska has time

30:44

to watch my show. I

30:46

love that. And then like, cut

30:48

a month from now and Race Chaser

30:50

is gonna have a white fur wall

30:53

and two plastic trees. Absolutely. Race Chaser.

30:55

Yeah. Like the pink cursive boss

30:57

sign that we all had. Fine.

31:00

And I first saw it on the

31:02

social media clips because and like in

31:05

the social media clips, you usually put

31:07

you like really saying something really cunty

31:09

to the person. And so I

31:11

was like scared. I was like, Oh, no, like,

31:13

is she gonna like read me for filth? Like,

31:16

but, but then once you watch the show,

31:18

you're like, no, you're just like a really good

31:20

interviewer. Oh, thank you. But you get in some

31:22

cunty remarks. Yeah, I do a couple

31:24

of jabs. Well, that's the trick though. That's

31:26

like, that's my Trojan horse is I put

31:29

these like little clips and everyone's like, Oh,

31:31

I'm about to watch 45 minutes of Maddie

31:33

giving it to somebody. And then it's just

31:35

like me asking about like their childhood trauma.

31:37

Yeah. Yeah, trick them. Yeah. They

31:39

learn about queens against their

31:41

will totally. Yeah. You gotta

31:43

pull the wool over their

31:45

eyes. Yeah. We're

31:49

not sponsored by O'Doul's unless I would

31:53

I do an O'Doul sponsorship if they ask

31:55

me to that's on brand for me. I

31:57

feel I don't want to promote alcohol. But

31:59

like, Like an alcoholic, you know? A

32:02

beer, a beer's on brand for what people assume

32:04

about me. Why not? Totally.

32:07

Why not? Yeah. What's the sponsorship

32:10

you're chasing that you want? Well,

32:13

I did a fragrance and

32:15

guess what? Oh, you brought it today? Yeah,

32:18

just for you. Oh, you

32:20

brought me a gift? Oh my goodness. Now

32:24

I can smell like a dozen

32:27

bucks. Where do

32:29

you sell this at? On my website. This isn't even

32:31

the plug. I like we're doing the plug right in the middle

32:33

of the interview. Well, of course. It's

32:35

organic. Look how gorgeous. Oh, it actually is

32:37

a nice box. And it actually smells really

32:40

good. Does it? It's not like trash. It's

32:42

really well done. It's just a rebranded pink

32:44

eyes from Charlie Roos. You just put another

32:46

bottle. No, that's what I did. When

32:51

I first got off Drag Race, I was like, I

32:53

did that perfume commercial. I'll have to check it out

32:55

later. I can't work with these. And

32:58

it's also really hard to get out. Look, watch

33:01

the two queens with nails on try to get

33:03

this out. It should be set in there. I

33:05

listened to that. You did. You

33:07

got it started. Yeah. This

33:10

is like a full bottle too. Is it a price? Yeah.

33:15

Are they sold at Santee Alley? Where do you sell

33:17

these at? Is it just a website? It's on my

33:19

website, but I want to get it placed in a

33:22

store. So if anyone out there like has a contact

33:24

at Macy's or something, I really want it

33:26

to get in the store. So to answer your

33:28

question, that's what I want. Oh, you're gonna get

33:30

like an Macy's? I don't even care if it's

33:32

made. Like I'll sell it at fucking Coles or

33:35

TJ Maxx or wherever. Actually

33:38

that's not nice. I usually don't like

33:40

floral smells. It's like, it's floral, right? It

33:43

has floral. It has like lilac because that's

33:45

like my favorite flower from growing up. And

33:49

it has like kind of leather in it as well. Mm,

33:52

that's a little leather. And it has cocaine. Oh,

33:55

that's what it was. Something

33:57

smells familiar. They figured

33:59

out. how to get

34:01

the smell of like when

34:03

you get really good cocaine,

34:06

which don't do it. But when

34:09

it's like really good, it has like a

34:11

sort of gasoline smell and they somehow managed

34:13

to distill that and put it in there.

34:15

Like this is popular in WeHo and they

34:17

don't even know why they like it so

34:19

much. It's like something about it. That

34:25

is really nice though. Are

34:32

you not supposed to dab it? I did like a perfume

34:34

like sponsorship thing and I did like a rub. I mean

34:37

everyone in the comments was like telling me about how I

34:39

was doing it wrong. You're

34:43

not supposed to like rub. That's what

34:45

they say. I learned from going on

34:47

a perfume show. Oh. And

34:50

they like she told me all about it.

34:52

Apparently Delta is the connoisseur of perfume. She's

34:54

the person, she's a residential expert of such

34:56

things. You can tell

34:58

you what you want about Delta. That is

35:01

a woman. That is a biological middle-aged

35:03

woman. Woman. Yes. Yeah.

35:07

That other lady that will ask to talk

35:09

to the manager at Diller's. That is a

35:11

woman. Absolutely. It's like the smell grows a

35:13

little bit. I know. It like

35:16

evolved. And it's unisexual

35:18

and non-binary. Everything's

35:21

unisex. You're not a little bitch about it. Thank you.

35:25

That's the tagline

35:27

of the perfume. Yes. But

35:30

okay. So really in it back in whenever you

35:32

went to All Stars like did you

35:35

really notice a difference in like your life post

35:37

All Stars or did you really just want to

35:39

go back because it felt like unfinished business from

35:41

season five. What

35:43

was your main motivation towards going back? I

35:46

felt like it was my destiny to

35:48

go back. And I felt

35:52

like I

35:55

know that the fans really wanted me to get a

35:57

chance to go back. felt

36:00

that and so I just

36:02

felt like really red. I

36:04

felt galvanized and

36:06

I felt really ready and like it was meant to be.

36:08

And All Stars

36:10

wasn't, everyone was like that's never gonna

36:12

happen again because the first one was

36:15

a little rough, a

36:17

little crunchy. But teams? Bring

36:20

back teams. Bring back teams.

36:22

Yeah. Would that be a

36:24

hiz? It would. I'm really

36:26

surprised they kept the format of like the queens

36:29

eliminate each other. Like they've not shaken that up

36:31

since then. Like no one really likes it. I

36:34

know it really feels like Roo just didn't want

36:36

the responsibility of doing

36:38

it. Like yeah, y'all decide who

36:40

goes home. It's like that's your

36:42

only job though. That's like literally

36:44

their job. Their only

36:47

job. Yeah. It's so

36:49

dumb. It's hurtful. I hate it. Yeah.

36:54

So you wouldn't go back to all winners. Of

36:56

course I would. Have you heard anything? I'm ready

36:59

now. Like not too

37:01

long ago, like a year ago. I know

37:04

I wouldn't have wanted to go.

37:06

I wouldn't have been ready. But now I'm

37:08

like, yeah, now you feel your star fading.

37:10

So you're like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Put

37:12

me back in coach. I

37:15

want to show up with a bag of dirty laundry. I

37:17

want to be already

37:20

in it all. I

37:22

did. I want to lose every challenge.

37:25

I want to go in and just have

37:27

fun and just get to stay the whole

37:29

time. And just yeah, as you

37:31

said, like you felt like it was like destiny because

37:33

your initial season, like at the end, you thought you

37:35

did really well, but you knew Jinx was going to

37:38

win with your season. You pretty much knew you were

37:40

going to win. You've always had your finger like on

37:42

the pulse, even with other people

37:44

season, like you correctly predicted how

37:47

other people were going to do in the competition

37:49

with that. Like how shocked are you when I

37:51

didn't win season 14? Like how, how

37:54

off the mark, how blindsided you feel? So

37:56

mortified. You're like, at least should have been

37:58

at least how to. Right? Yeah,

38:01

totally. You

38:04

heard it from Alaska.

38:06

It's just more opportunities

38:08

for straight people. You

38:10

know, we still haven't had one, a winner. Well,

38:13

yeah, no, cause Sasha Colby is like pansexual.

38:15

So technically we still haven't had a straight winner. Yeah,

38:18

those are the doors. The doors. The

38:21

doors you've opened. Yeah, the door to Lana's.

38:23

Yeah, the door to Lana's you've opened. But

38:26

post drag race, you did create like your

38:28

own pageant. It was called the Drag Queen

38:30

of the Year Pageant Competition Award Contest Competition.

38:33

So this is a multi-part question, but for those

38:36

that don't know, what is your pageant? Why

38:39

is it different than most pageants? And why did you think

38:41

it was important to start that? Well,

38:44

we started it because we

38:47

were annoyed that drag race

38:49

was like, we

38:51

don't have trans people and we don't have

38:53

drag kings. We were

38:55

very annoyed by that. And

38:58

it was around that time where like, so

39:00

we were like, fuck it. So like anyone

39:04

who does drag works with all

39:07

types of drag performers.

39:11

So it didn't make sense to like,

39:13

there's only one type of drag, you

39:15

know, in

39:17

a pageant there can only be one type of drag

39:20

that is acceptable. And

39:23

we're like, we were like, no, that's weird. So

39:25

we just started a pageant

39:27

of our own, Lola, LaCroix and I.

39:31

And we were like, what will happen if we

39:33

just put, you know, eight

39:35

people competing against each other? Because

39:38

that pageant system, too, is also a lot more

39:40

merit based. Like if you don't have people don't

39:42

pay an entry fee, like they audition for the

39:44

pageant, essentially, or do they pay an audition fee?

39:47

No. OK. We wanted we

39:49

wanted to be really supportive of the artist.

39:52

So we give them like a stipend

39:54

to like help them like get their

39:57

travel or whatever. And

39:59

there's no. like entry fee but yeah

40:01

it is like it is decided

40:04

upon by an anonymous panel of

40:06

drag elders oh they're anonymous

40:08

like in the audience i didn't get the chance to go

40:10

to the past drag con i didn't get to see the

40:12

pageant so like are they on the panel or is there

40:15

they know the casting process oh the

40:17

casting process yeah okay okay but the

40:19

judges score them on

40:22

the night how many people does my own curiosity how

40:24

many people like audition for that each year million

40:27

million damn drag race could never

40:29

i know i

40:32

know what

40:34

what is your ideal uh drag

40:37

television series if you got to create one

40:39

your own drag competition series what would that

40:41

look like in the least

40:43

paginy answer um i

40:46

mean it already exists through false drag rights that's

40:49

the one it can't be improved upon well there are

40:51

things that can be approved i'm about to say but

40:54

the format the structure is

40:56

a thing of genius it's

40:58

wonderful it's like it's

41:01

like top model and project

41:04

runway it's

41:06

wonderful i love it so

41:08

much i i can't i can't imagine

41:10

another thing because whenever there's other like

41:12

drag competitions on tv or whatever they're

41:14

like okay but we have to make

41:16

a different drag race so it's not

41:18

like a rip off but then it's

41:20

like but you but drag race is

41:22

perfect so yeah

41:24

so you're making an imperfect yeah i mean drag

41:26

race itself is like you said it's just kind

41:28

of a monogamation of like a bunch of other

41:30

television series so it's not it's not even it's

41:33

its own identity but at the same time too it's

41:35

not like they revolutionized television they just took better

41:38

aspects of stuff and kind of piece it together but

41:40

like dragula is successful because they

41:42

didn't try to like let's really

41:44

change up the format they're like

41:46

no this is drag race scary

41:48

it's drag race is like contact

41:51

i'm saying i'm still waiting for i'm waiting for that

41:53

i'm waiting for the boozicle when i finally like started

41:55

having the queens like sing and stuff the

41:58

boozicle that

42:00

come in? Holy is that

42:02

genius. Yeah, I want to hear

42:05

the big boulet saying I want to hear that. It's

42:07

not easy being green like because you know

42:09

it's always going to sound like the

42:12

big boulet. Yeah, I

42:14

think they should lean

42:17

into their height difference and

42:21

the winner gets a medium boulet. No

42:24

big boulet should wear super tall heels

42:26

and then small boulets should wear like

42:28

short heels so that it's like even

42:31

vastly more different. Like

42:33

they come in and just like the little boulet is

42:35

just like in like a baby character. It's like, well

42:38

you're not here to judge your drag.

42:40

I love that. Yeah.

42:44

See, you're gonna see it on the next season.

42:46

I would love that. You know, I'm sure they

42:48

watch the show too. And I

42:50

always think of like they have a

42:52

third boulet brother. It is they just

42:54

like Bobby Boulet. And

42:56

he's like not spooky at all. He's just like in

42:59

like sweatpants like on the

43:01

couch. He's like, you guys, why you

43:03

been spooky again? There's

43:05

just like a manager of an In-N-Out with a name

43:07

back that says medium boulet on it. Yeah,

43:10

just like, yeah, the third Boulet

43:12

brother. Bobby Boulet. Bobby Boulet.

43:14

That sounds like a, sounds like a

43:16

chef. Yeah. Bobby play. Oh,

43:19

okay. Yeah. I

43:21

was like, it sounds like somebody. I was like, you know,

43:23

I don't know how you deal with all these my

43:26

synthetic wigs. This is my whole life. Wait, you got

43:28

it. I don't know. It's my

43:30

whole life. People do that to me all the time

43:32

because my I

43:34

can't believe a hair has ever been out of

43:36

place. That's

43:39

one thing I do admire about your drag is that it's

43:41

like, it's very, it's

43:44

very polished. It has like an idea. It

43:46

has a vision, but it's also not all

43:49

the lines aren't crisp, you know, it's like artistic in

43:51

like a different way. Like I said earlier, but with

43:53

your drag aesthetic, like what is it you admire most

43:55

in drag outside of nails, of course, but like, what

43:58

do you look for in an entertainer? What really speaks?

44:00

to you when you're like, what's a good entertainer to

44:02

you? A good drag queen. I

44:06

think I like hilariousness

44:09

and I also like unhingedness. Like

44:13

my- Like the Tami Browns. Love

44:15

Tami Brown. I love

44:18

Gina Martina so

44:20

much. I know the name, I'm not familiar with

44:22

her. You should get into her.

44:24

I think you just like lit, like look her

44:26

up on YouTube and you'll get it. She's

44:29

just a wacko and I

44:31

love that. And like, I

44:33

love Jackie B so much. And

44:37

she's so funny, but also so

44:39

cerebral. Her songs

44:41

aren't just like poop, poop, poop,

44:44

cock, cock, cock, which some of

44:46

them are. That's actually, that's my

44:48

next single coming out. But

44:52

they like are telling a story and

44:54

it's cerebral and she's also a little

44:56

unhinged. Like if you piss her off,

44:58

like she will just like lose

45:01

her mind like Patti LuPone, but like times

45:03

tap. Just to be a little messy

45:05

about it, what is your least favorite kind of drag? What

45:08

kind of drag you're like, I get why people like it, but

45:10

it's not for me. What?

45:15

I mean, anything that's sort of uninspired

45:17

is not, you

45:19

know, gonna be good. If

45:22

it isn't coming from somewhere and it just

45:24

feels like paint by numbers. Give

45:27

us an example, name and name. I don't have

45:29

the name. Call them out. I don't

45:31

have the name because it's usually not

45:33

memorable. And it's like when the makeup

45:36

just looks like the makeup that's

45:39

on the YouTube and the hair just looks like

45:41

the hair that's on the thing. When

45:44

it's not like an

45:47

idea behind it, then it's like not. It

45:49

doesn't thrill me. That being said, I'll still

45:51

watch it and get my whole life. Even

45:55

a bad drag performances, you're so appreciative. You're just

45:57

like, they're out there doing the damn thing. Yeah.

46:10

With your live performances, you kind of

46:12

do like your own original performances, you'll

46:14

do homages to other people references. With

46:17

that in mind, what has been your favorite performance for

46:19

you, like, have a rib you were poking

46:21

at somebody have referencing

46:23

like another clean performer. Like

46:26

what's been like the funnest one for you to do. Oh

46:28

right because I do, I do do that. Like

46:31

I love, I mean I love new

46:34

seasons of Drag Race because it gives me stuff

46:36

to do on stage, like,

46:39

I love not a soul can clock. I've

46:42

performed Let Loose around the

46:44

entire world. And

46:46

when I do these songs now, after

46:50

I'm done I put the QR

46:52

code of like Monica Beverly Hills

46:54

merchandise, Lusuliduka merchandise and I'm like, okay

46:56

audience please buy their things. I'll

46:58

wait. I got tagged

47:00

as a bunch of videos because recently you did a performance

47:02

I don't even know the whole performance I just got tagged

47:04

like a little clip, because they went to a guitar solo

47:06

and you were like Maddie Morviss on guitar and then it

47:08

was a picture of me just talent

47:11

show behind. Yeah, yeah. I was

47:13

like, I'm sorry I'm so relevant

47:15

on people's mouths. Totally. You

47:19

did heart alone, alone by heart.

47:21

And there's a guitar solo in

47:24

that. And so I searched

47:26

Drag Race guitar, and you were the first

47:28

result on YouTube. It's

47:30

really smart because a lot of queens with the

47:32

guitar solos they either just walk around

47:34

and collect tips during that time, or they

47:37

did, or they'll like air guitar the guitar

47:39

and yeah, really kind of weird sometimes.

47:42

You did a funny way where like, you're like I could

47:44

edit this out or I can just make it a whole

47:46

nother bit if you're really good at inserting bits within bits.

47:49

Like an inception of references. Yeah,

47:51

it's like, you know, as

47:53

much as I like to, you know, talk to it on my

47:55

show like I you know just a fan girl like I think

47:57

you are one of the most like clever drag queens, you know.

48:00

Because you don't need to do work me down

48:02

in a leotard, you know, which I wish I could

48:05

If I could I would be doing it

48:07

you could do all that stuff and a jump

48:09

split you'd be unstoppable If I could do could

48:11

you imagine? I my life would

48:14

be different Yeah, it'd be like it'd

48:16

be Alaska's drag race if my legs could do

48:18

that Mm-hmm. My life would

48:20

be so different. Mm-hmm the post

48:22

drag race outside of your performances You revolutionized

48:25

the world drag when you became another

48:27

white man with a podcast Whenever you teamed

48:29

up with Willem over at mom but

48:32

with that but with like Willem being

48:34

persona non grata with world of

48:37

wonder and a lot of the context and conversations

48:39

that you have on the show It

48:41

kind of soured your relationship with what wonder as well Does

48:44

that but at this point in time like

48:46

do you feel like a path forward with

48:48

world of wonder or is it just too tumultuous?

48:52

of a relationship between you my

48:54

door is open and I've

48:57

reached out and like I like I

49:03

Like it's my favorite thing in

49:05

the world It's like my

49:07

favorite show it changed my life.

49:09

It like is

49:11

my entire career So

49:15

like I don't have any

49:17

acrimony. I don't have any

49:20

like ill will I I

49:24

you know, so my

49:26

doors open I emailed

49:31

By email like when they first started doing lip-sync

49:34

assassin. Mm-hmm. I emailed and I

49:36

was like I Live

49:39

in LA and if you ever need a lip-sync assassin

49:42

I'm here and They

49:45

just wrote back. Thanks for the email If

49:48

there's any consolation, they haven't asked me either and

49:50

I also emailed them so Goodbye

49:54

you're two peas in a pod. We're

49:56

basically the same person. Did you with

49:58

lip-sync? I

50:00

survived one. Neither

50:02

one of you survived that loop. Because

50:05

June eliminated herself and it's too early

50:07

in the season to do a double

50:09

sashay. So I made it

50:11

through one. Good. Yeah. Okay.

50:14

I could win a lip sync if it's the right one. If it's

50:16

like something, you know. Yeah. Like

50:18

if it was like, if I was against like Jasmine

50:21

Kennedy and it was just like scatting, you know, very

50:23

air mail special or something. I'd do good on like

50:25

something like that. Like old McDonald

50:27

had a farm. I could do that. Yeah. I

50:30

can see that. If the song calls for like a

50:32

cartwheel. No.

50:35

Take my leave. Yeah. I know my place. Right.

50:37

Yeah. Sometimes. You

50:41

make me feel like a natural woman. Oh

50:44

yeah. But no cartwheels. No cartwheels.

50:47

Unless you can't. There's

50:49

a right way, I think. I don't know. There's

50:52

a, you know, there's different nuances. There's

50:54

different opportunities for everything. Totally. Because with

50:56

Kenya Michaels doing all that. I don't

50:59

think she did stuff she shouldn't have.

51:01

It's just at the level, you know, she's you

51:03

could, if she did like a simple ballad and then

51:05

an occasional cart roll, it would have just been camped. Yeah,

51:08

totally. You know, she

51:10

went to full Tasmanian double. Yeah.

51:12

You don't go full Tasmanian double. Yeah.

51:19

But with your relationship with World of Wonder where it

51:21

is right now, is this interview

51:23

going to get me blacklisted just out of

51:25

curiosity? Like. I

51:28

think it comes down to

51:31

Willem because Willem is actively

51:33

acrimonious. But like, I want

51:35

to be clear that the

51:37

reason our podcasts work. The

51:41

reason our podcast works is that we

51:44

don't we don't look at

51:46

Drag Race the same way. Like she's super

51:49

hypercritical of like the show and

51:51

the company and the Cacadacof, which

51:53

I am too at times. But

51:55

like, ultimately, we don't see it

51:57

the same way. And that's. That's

52:00

why it works. So just because I have

52:02

a podcast with Willem doesn't mean

52:04

the views expressed

52:07

are exactly one

52:09

of one are gave me an ultimatum. Would you dump Willem? So

52:12

like, Hey, what? Like what's on the table? Like, we'll

52:14

make you a permanent guest judge. Yeah.

52:19

Sayonara, Hasta la vista. Or they said like,

52:21

you'll be an all winners, but you can't

52:23

do mom anymore. Hasta

52:25

la vista. Wow. Is that sensitive?

52:28

This whole time everyone thinks that you have this sensitive

52:30

relationship with World of Wonder, but you have a sensitive

52:32

relationship with Willem. You're just looking for

52:34

an out. No, I would do that. I

52:37

would make me two drink tickets. I would

52:39

quit the, no, I wouldn't do it for

52:41

that. I would quit the podcast and then

52:43

once enough time passed,

52:45

I'd be like, once the guy,

52:47

once like check the wire transfer.

52:49

Yeah. Because I win. No,

52:53

once you know, you can afford the litigation fees. No,

52:55

I would actually, I want Bob to win.

52:58

So I would do everything to

53:00

make sure that she won and I want it to lose and

53:03

I want to lose. You know,

53:05

like the Rob did it, but one

53:07

Rob, the Rob, the drag, Rob, the

53:09

drag. No, she, it's her season that's

53:11

happening. So when, when it happens, if,

53:13

if they did ultimate of me, I

53:15

would say, all right, well, that's it.

53:17

And then once the, you know, once

53:19

it's time passed, I'd be like, just

53:22

kidding. For

53:24

the, for the sneaky on them. Yeah. Cause

53:27

what are they going to do after the fact? Not

53:29

put you on all winners of winners

53:31

against you, Bob and Jane. Yeah. They're

53:34

going to keep compiling it. Yeah.

53:38

So you think, you think you're gonna be like, ha ha,

53:40

I pulled a sneaky on you. But then you find out

53:42

that you missed on the next big opportunity. Right.

53:45

Yeah. Whenever, whenever the winner gets to

53:47

become president of the United States, like fuck. It

53:50

bums me out. And it's like, and honestly,

53:52

it's like, even if, even if

53:56

like, like I

53:58

don't, cause like this is something. that

54:00

this picture of Willem D It's

54:07

something we built that's hours we own it.

54:09

We're in charge of it. And

54:12

like that, if that has like soured

54:14

my relationship with World of Wonder, that

54:16

breaks my heart. But I'm also like

54:19

so immensely like proud of what we're

54:21

doing. And I wouldn't change that. With

54:24

like the podcast network that you have and like

54:26

the accomplishments that you've made so far with like

54:28

music, what do you want to do next?

54:30

What is like your long term plan? What what kind of

54:32

legacy do you want to leave behind on top of what

54:34

you've already created? I

54:37

don't know. When I think

54:39

about that stuff, it it drives

54:41

me a little mad. He's

54:43

going to take an instant, make it day at a time.

54:45

Like I have to know you wanted to release a perfume

54:47

after your season. Yes. So there

54:50

are like little plans. What are some short term goals

54:52

that you have that you

54:54

can talk about? This is for my

54:56

own curiosity. Well, I'm going to do

54:58

more music. I love doing that. And

55:03

the musical is happening and

55:07

I would like to see the musical

55:09

get to Broadway and

55:11

then I can start winning my egot. And

55:14

then it'll probably get turned into a movie and then

55:16

I'll win an Oscar. OK, so yeah.

55:19

So those are some of the more attainable goals.

55:21

But like what are like some fantasy goals that

55:23

you have? Like some of the more

55:26

it's got to happen. Drag queens

55:28

have won Emmys. Yeah.

55:31

Oscar. Is

55:35

there any words like to Jinkx

55:37

win a Tony? Or did

55:39

she she win an award because

55:41

drag queens have won Emmys. No one's won a

55:43

Grammy yet. Drag queen wise. I don't think to

55:45

RuPaul win a Grammy for anything. I

55:48

don't think like a consolation Grammy or. I

55:53

was wondering if it's

55:55

going to happen eventually and I

55:58

will be ready. Maybe so. So

56:00

yeah, like that kind of stuff. Yeah.

56:03

Look at everybody. Alaska, you got

56:05

winner. Yeah. Yeah.

56:08

I'm a sooner than you think. I think it'll be later than

56:10

that. You think so? I'm patient. Oh,

56:13

hang on. No, I'm like... It's like your Judi

56:15

Dinch farewell tour. It's when you give you your

56:17

Tony. It's kind of like a... Oh, really? A

56:20

lifetime achievement award type thing. Yes. It's

56:23

gonna be whenever you get your last wowie, your

56:26

lifetime achievement wowie. I would love

56:28

to get a wowie. I

56:30

wasn't even nominated for the last wowie. They

56:33

had a category for best ally. I wasn't even nominated.

56:36

The shade of sound. It was like you put me on the

56:38

fucking show. You dragged me some mud. You made me look like

56:40

an idiot. You don't even nominate me for a can of soup.

56:44

Maybe the least you could do. Yeah.

56:46

I mean, don't call me. I can't even get

56:48

on binge queens. Right. Bring

56:51

me to the side. Anyway,

56:53

fine. I digress. I'm just complaining now.

56:56

But with that being said, this is the last of my cards and

56:58

the last bit of time that we have. But before

57:00

you go, I did want to give you a gift. Thank you for taking

57:02

the time and coming here. As

57:04

we stated before, like you were always like a very

57:06

artistic kid and one of your passions has been drawing.

57:10

And it's a gift, but it's also a question for my own

57:12

curiosity. So I wanted to give you because you don't have a

57:14

lot of time in your busy day. I gave you

57:16

like a little sketch pad for the road. Oh,

57:18

my God. So you can, I know you don't

57:20

have a lot of time, but I also drew

57:22

you a photo. Of

57:25

myself today in the art

57:27

style of Dasher and

57:29

V. Well, I had

57:31

to say my own curiosity. That's me. How

57:34

do you know those words? How do you

57:36

know that? Who is Dasher

57:38

and V? What the

57:40

fuck? Where'd you get

57:42

these? Like where'd you get

57:44

this specifically from? Because Dasher and V, correct

57:46

me if I'm wrong, is that like one

57:49

of your characters from the power people? Is

57:51

that your character from that? Or are those

57:53

different? No, the power is different. That's a

57:55

different metaverse. Because looking at your

57:57

drawings, Dasher and V, they look almost like End Androgynous

58:00

superheroes, or is it one person?

58:03

Like who is Dasher and V? Like is Alaska

58:05

Today, is this inspired by Dasher

58:07

and V, this androgynous, powerful

58:10

woman? Well actually,

58:12

okay, so Dasher is

58:14

actually sort of the

58:16

androgynous one who sort of runs around

58:19

like in his underwear and like has

58:21

like kind of shaved hair and

58:23

like off to the side. And

58:26

he like runs around. And

58:28

V is like a mysterious woman.

58:30

And she like doesn't wear a

58:33

lot of clothes either. But she's

58:35

like voluptuous and like tons of

58:37

hair and she doesn't speak.

58:40

And she's like in this, I don't wanna

58:43

say, wow, because they're gonna fucking listen.

58:45

They're listening on her phones and they're

58:47

gonna turn it into a fucking movie.

58:51

And I'm pissed. Was it a wonder? No,

58:54

just like this is always how it

58:56

happens. But like I had this whole

58:58

like world that existed between the

59:01

two of them. And like

59:04

it took place like in

59:06

an apocalyptic future. But like,

59:09

but yeah, that's so wild that

59:11

you even know what that, how do you even know what

59:13

that is? That's like, that's weird and

59:15

like kind of scary. Like do my research.

59:17

How, but it's not even out there anywhere

59:20

is it? But with

59:22

that, like you've always drawn like a lot

59:24

of like strong female characters. Is

59:26

your character of Alaska, is it the strong female

59:28

character that you were always drawing come to life?

59:30

The amalgamation of like the strong women in your

59:32

life? A little

59:34

bit, but she's different than V.

59:38

Like V is, V is

59:40

her own thing. Alaska is

59:44

definitely like inspired by that. And

59:46

like the sort of women that I've always

59:49

drawn. But she's

59:52

not V, she's different. Looking at the drawing,

59:54

I knew immediately that it was you because

59:56

I knew you drew women, but also like

59:58

the art style, it looked like. a

1:00:00

prototype of Alaska. And that's why I was wondering,

1:00:03

like, is this like the original, did you draw

1:00:05

that before you started doing drag? Yeah. So it

1:00:07

almost like was like a planted seed that led

1:00:09

into it because of your drag character, like I

1:00:11

said, looks like these women that you've

1:00:13

been drawing like all these years. It's

1:00:16

so true. And

1:00:18

that's like, it

1:00:20

was like a natural progression. It was like,

1:00:22

cause I just would just constantly

1:00:24

was drawing and drawing

1:00:27

like gorgeous women with

1:00:29

huge hair. And eventually

1:00:31

I was like, oh, I can like kind of,

1:00:33

I can put this on my body instead of

1:00:36

just on paper. Whenever you

1:00:38

were first like starting drag and conceptualizing outfits

1:00:40

and looks and things, was it in

1:00:42

that same art style? And this how

1:00:44

you like visually conceptualize what

1:00:47

you would become essentially? Yeah, no,

1:00:50

totally. It was like,

1:00:52

yeah, it is.

1:00:54

And that's why like when I first started

1:00:56

drag and I still do this, I

1:01:00

can never just wear like one

1:01:02

wig or like one piece of hair

1:01:05

because it's like the son of hair.

1:01:07

Like I need multiple, I need too

1:01:09

much hair. You

1:01:11

need the dramatic comic book aspect

1:01:14

of it. Totally, very excellent, the

1:01:16

cartoon. Yeah,

1:01:19

but also too, you said that before that whenever

1:01:21

people dress up as you, you find it very

1:01:23

flattering. So I thought not only will I dress

1:01:26

up as you, I will draw myself in your

1:01:28

art style to go for a max flattery. That's

1:01:30

me. So good. That is what my body looks

1:01:32

like. It is. My proportions,

1:01:35

but yeah. You can never go wrong

1:01:37

with blonde hair and black clothes. This

1:01:40

is a thing. Well, yeah, you can. I've

1:01:43

seen it. I saw some of

1:01:45

the early seasons of Drag Race. You can definitely go wrong with it,

1:01:47

but yeah. For the most part. My

1:01:49

friend worked at like Fashion Week and they were

1:01:51

like when like designers or like whatever don't know

1:01:53

what to do as like the theme, they're like

1:01:55

blondes and black. Just do it.

1:01:57

It's classic. And it looks, you know,

1:01:59

like. Like a thing. Yeah. This

1:02:02

is so good. Thank you. Thank

1:02:04

you. I'm glad it was up to snuff. I was doing it

1:02:06

and I was like, this is someone that actually draws. I

1:02:11

don't know how close of an eye they're going to scrutinize to

1:02:13

look at it. I don't

1:02:15

even know where you found this. There's a whole bunch

1:02:17

more pictures too that you've drawn of these characters. I

1:02:19

love it. There was a whole story. She pushed a

1:02:21

button and all her hair poofed out. There was a storyline.

1:02:24

I was like, this is an unfinished... What? There's

1:02:27

a storyline. There has to be because there's

1:02:30

some of the pictures correlate with each other.

1:02:32

There's little stories. I was looking

1:02:34

at it and I was like, this is a comic

1:02:36

book, a story that was never finished or fully realized.

1:02:38

Yeah, it is. And now she is

1:02:40

realized. Dasher and Bee? Yeah,

1:02:42

maybe. Outside of your EGOT,

1:02:44

what do you have coming up? Do you have any shows or tours happening? Say you're working on

1:02:47

a movie. Yeah. I'm working on

1:02:49

a movie. I'm working on a movie. I'm working on

1:02:51

a movie. I'm working on a movie. I'm working on

1:02:53

a movie. I'm working on a movie. Is there any shows

1:02:55

or tours happening? So you're working on your musical. Yeah. What

1:02:58

else is happening? Any exciting things? I'm

1:03:00

doing a Christmas tour. So

1:03:02

my best friend, Jeremy and I are going to. At

1:03:04

Christmas time, right? Yeah. Then

1:03:07

we're going to go to like, I think like

1:03:09

11 cities or something, but it's going

1:03:11

to be your Gaga jazz tour. It's

1:03:14

a little like that. Yeah. It's

1:03:16

just you the whole time talking about your good friend

1:03:18

Tony. You love Tony.

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Absolutely. In between every song, you're just

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like, I just love Tony. Yes. I

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love Tony. But

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go to alaskathunderfuck.com and you can like

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find out where, where we're going to be and

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stuff like that. Your website is Thunderfuck? It actually has

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the expletive? I know. Can

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you imagine? People used to swear. Back

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in my day, drag queens used to be

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allowed to say the F word. It was

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crazy. I thought they were doing a plug

1:03:45

at the end. Like everyone in my audience doesn't already follow

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you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm

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giving you so much exposure right now. You are though. Yeah.

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I'm not, I'm not. No, thank you for having me. It's

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wonderful. Thank you for coming. Like I said, whenever everyone told

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me that you had gave a shout out to my show.

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and that you're interested in being on it. I was excited because

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like you were one of, I said

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as much shit as I talk, like you are like

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one of my favorite drag queens just in like the

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cleverness and the smartness of your drag and the attainability

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and you know. So

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thank you for coming here. Thank you for taking the time. And

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thank you all for tuning in. Make sure to tune in

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next time. Like, comment, and subscribe so you know whenever we

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have the next episode. Till then, bye

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guys. Bye. Give

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It To Me Stray is brought to

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you by Moguls of Media, aka MOM,

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hosted, produced, and edited by me, Matty

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Morpheus, with audio editor, Margot Padilla, executive

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Dipper, and Joe Cilio. M.

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Oh. M. Mom.